🌈lgbtq

[flint dagger]

i mean all of that is personal problems, why is everyone so invested in that.

[fiery steeple]

and I got the warning for starting drama

[flint dagger]

THEYRE NOT EVEN PROBLEMS TO BEGIN WITH AAAA

[supple brook]

Literally. The smallest amount of people are rigid and weird confusing identities are good, actually

Like damn why are we trying to appease the cishets I don't understand it

[iron escarp]

^

[torn willow]

Sometimes people feel like it's easier to validate your own orientation by diminishing someone else's experience. And sometimes there's this notion that only certain kinds of ways of experiencing/expressing gender or sexuality are the right ones

[wicked jungle]

how would it de-validate your existance as a gay man or whatever if i were nb ace

[fiery steeple]

they don't let us live our lives unless we go out of our way to appease them

[supple brook]

That's all infighting is in the end. Trying to appease the people who actively oppress us. Because you want to seem like "one of the good, not confusing ones"

[torn willow]

So you make a an exclusionary group and boom. Suddenly you get to feel like you're part of the "right" group for once.

[supple brook]

People keep saying that it's about "protecting the community" but it literally isn't, it's such bullshit

[torn willow]

Yeah, it makes zero freaking sense. But logic is pretty far away from that kind of thinking anyway

[fiery steeple]

I think for a lot of them it's just an inferiority complex
they want to make other people feel lesser so they can feel like they're more important to the community

[wicked jungle]

also people who say "you can only be trans if you have surgery/underwent hormonal treatment/disphoria" whyyyyy

[torn willow]

Yeah, that's just gatekeeping with window dressing

[iron escarp]

like i hate that sort of rhetoric sm

[wicked jungle]

i am not devalidating you because you underwent surgery, why am i not allowed to be comfortable?

[fiery steeple]

oh it's even better when they say you have to do all that and pass 100% of the time

[iron escarp]

ugh please dont even ughh

[torn willow]

Trans experiences are so varied and vast. It can't be limited like that, but wow they sure are trying >_>

[supple brook]

Go back to the 80s when queer history was made and see how "confusing" people where identifying then. Like this whole fight about who can call themselves butvh and femme as well when HISTORICALLY queer men and bisexuals have used those terms just as much as lesbians.....

[torn willow]

Uggggh clocking is just. Why would anyone do that?

[iron escarp]

like that stuff is just so horrible, boiling trans experience down to the only trans experience accepted slightly by cishets

[torn willow]

Yeah, it's like somehow the multitudes of experiences and all the nuances they contain need to be distilled into a mold

It doesn't work like that

[fiery steeple]

that toxic server I was on flip flopped between "you need to pass to be accepted as a transwoman" and "fuck society you present however you want"
even when giving advice to teenagers who lived in dangerously homophobic homes

like no if they take that advice they're going to end up either dead or homeless

[supple brook]

God that's awful

[torn willow]

Well, that is dangerous

[fair osprey]

also my favorite: "non-binary people aren't trans"

[torn willow]

And so unacceptable

[fair osprey]

like shut up

[iron escarp]

ughh

[supple brook]

Brainrot forreal

[torn willow]

_________>

[fiery steeple]

I have told my enby friend a number of times they're still under our umbrella when comparing themselves to trans people

like "no honey you can be part of our community it's okay"

[wicked jungle]

and people who complain that "more and more people are becomign gay, it's surely just fake"
BUDDY WE CAN FINALLY EDUCATE OURSELVES AND LEARN FROM THE EXPERIENCE OF OPENLY OPPRESSED PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT OUR FEELINGS MEAN

[supple brook]

I think that's also largely dependant on the individual but this whole "all nb people are trans" vs "no nb people are trans" thing is so dumb, just let people say what they're comfortable with for themselves like WHY is it so hard my god

[flint dagger]

Just be friendly to other people is that so hard

[iron escarp]

yeah like i didnt even know asexuality was a thing that existed until somebody i watched on youtube talked abt it and then i was just like ???? there's nothing wrong with me?? its not just hormones/smth medical??

[wicked jungle]

anyways about the "relationships need sex" part
my mother actually wants me tho slüt myself out else i'm weird

[torn willow]

It's almost like. When imminent death and violence aren't the default for coming out and you get protected by law people get more comfortable. With coming out. And living freely as who they are???

[iron escarp]

^this

[fiery steeple]

I love when people say it's a choice like
yes
we chose to be hated and reviled by most of society

[supple brook]

I have no idea what my gender is, nb woman feels the most comfortable for now and boy does that combination of words make exclus mad

[iron escarp]

that's horrible, i feel for you, my parents are kinda like that too

[supple brook]

Like they're! Just words! It doesn't hurt anyone! Shut up!!!!!! My experiences can be too varied and complicated for a single word!!!!!!! Shut up!!!!!!!!!

[wicked jungle]

i guess they think that you "chose to be attracted to this and that",ike you cant just naturally be attracted to for example females, you chose that stuff

[supple brook]

Wtfffff 😐

[fiery steeple]

frankly who the fuck needs labels
I'm me and that's all that matters
I don't need to say I'm a lesbian to like girls
I don't need to say I'm trans just cause I want to look feminine
I can just be me and nobody's allowed to stop me cause I own a fucking sword

[torn willow]

Yeah and honestly, even if it was a choice hypothetically speaking SO WHAT??? There would still be nothing wrong with being gay.

[flint dagger]

More reasons for 'yeah sure you go hun' thinking!

[wicked jungle]

my mom was like "you will never have dates if you're this fat and ugly" i told her i had 3 relationships and got asked out multiple times "oh yeah? did you have sex with those 3 gusy of yours?"

honey.

[torn willow]

Wow the more I hear of your mother the more I hate her

[iron escarp]

gross, like she shouldnt even be asking stuff like that in the first place

[fair osprey]

"you must have sex for your relationships to mean anything"

[supple brook]

God that's so gross on so many levels

[fiery steeple]

can we shank her

[fair osprey]

omg

[torn willow]

As if your sex life is anyone's business but yours

[fiery steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-american-actor-the-room-sex-life-how-is-your-sex-life-gif-17571253

[wicked jungle]

UOBDHIFMKA

[supple brook]

Omw down there to save you right now 😐 gonna get shlee to help on the way too

[wicked jungle]

ARTEMIS

[iron escarp]

i mean even if you have none thats still not other people's buisness to know?? like

[wicked jungle]

HAHAHAHA

[flint dagger]

But then again, have you maybe talk about it with her?

[fair osprey]

like I'm not ace and even I literally care nothing about sex in a relationship. it's not my priority

[iron escarp]

i'll take you in haha

[wicked jungle]

talk about what exactly?

[flint dagger]

These things. In depth.

[wicked jungle]

sex? sexualities? gender?

[flint dagger]

Yepyep

[wicked jungle]

this woman slapped me for wearing my father's t-shirt

[torn willow]

Exactly. Unless that information is volunteered, it's literally got nothing to do with anyone

[iron escarp]

i mean its probably not safe to do so considering what they've said so far

[supple brook]

I- 😐

[wicked jungle]

this woman was the first one to tell me gay=illness

[flint dagger]

i guess. I'm just trying to see it in the other perspective.

[iron escarp]

its hard to have a conversation with people that believe that these sort of things are unnatural/horrible

[fiery steeple]

she needs a good flaying

[wicked jungle]

yes my father may have been the one physically hurting me when i hinted at not wanting "a husband" but she did the emotional abuse and slapping part

[torn willow]

You deserve better

[flint dagger]

if that continues even after you discussed it with her, then it's her fault then.

[supple brook]

God you need to get out of there holy shit

[wicked jungle]

i know

i cant

not right now

[torn willow]

It's going to get better, but you really need to get yourself safe.

[wicked jungle]

but i'm trying!

[torn willow]

Even if it's not right now, as long as you work towards that it's good

[supple brook]

Yeah understandable :( this situation sucks especially for people in abusive situations

[wicked jungle]

as if i'd want to stay here

[iron escarp]

as somebody that hails from a manipulative household, my heart goes out to you

[torn willow]

That's so good to hear. It's gonna get better when you get out ❤️

[flint dagger]

yeah, i'm sorry if i sound like i don't support you in this. i understand being in a very volatile, close-minded atmosphere like yours.

[wicked jungle]

you dont sound like you're not supportive, i know i'm leaving out plenty information, thx for calling me out on it

[flint dagger]

just thought that if at least you've said your piece, whatever comes next would not feel that burdensome, if that makes sense.

[wicked jungle]

i'm not comfortable having to think about the stuff that happened because i'm still in the midset of it being "normal" in my life, i only learned recently that it's not ok

the internalized homophobia is strong in this one > Me <

[supple brook]

Do you plan on moving out for uni again once covid calms her tits a little more?

[iron escarp]

i know how you feel....

[flint dagger]

that's okay! i've only recently came out myself too.

[wicked jungle]

yes

[torn willow]

Yeah, it's hard when you've already normalized the abuse in your mind. But you know it's not normal now and that's so important.

[iron escarp]

im only out at my college myself, because i knew it'd be safe haha

[wicked jungle]

same

[supple brook]

That's good. I hope things will get better soon

[iron escarp]

but you can go to therapy to unlearn those ingrained parts when its safer as well, i dont need it as much but i do have a lot of other things to work on so

[wicked jungle]

i hope i can one day be free enough to not feel the need to push people away in an attempt to feel safer

[flint dagger]

everyone in my family is all "we understand where you're coming from, we'll still love you, but we disagree."
and i was like "okay cool."

[iron escarp]

you will be, it might take a while but i've already made steps in that direction so i feel confident saying this

[torn willow]

You will. It might feel like a long road, since healing takes time, but it's all worth it. You'll get there.

[wicked jungle]

therapy is expensive and most docs i was at here were very openly homophobic and racist so i'll wait a bit more with any of that

[iron escarp]

yeah, i understand, i got really lucky with my 'therapist'

[wicked jungle]

i'm so happy for you 💙

[flint dagger]

trust me, i left the more dramatic pieces on there, but just achieving the equilibrium status with my family is so freeing to me.

[supple brook]

Phew the "I disagree" hurts. I love how that makes it about themselves and "disagrees" with an integral part of you. It's such gross phrasing. Like the whole "love the sinner hate the sin" thing. So fucked up.

[wicked jungle]

i lost all my friends because i was scared of slipping something gay-related to my parents, the paranoia got too much so yeah, it's f*cking lonely

[iron escarp]

we'll be your new friends haha

[fiery steeple]

nod nod

[flint dagger]

honestly i'm okay with that, even i made that term to them as a "peace offering". My relationship with them is stable rn.

but then different person have different mindset and wants.

[iron escarp]

yeah, and regardless it feels like its better than the worse alternatives, like the common practice of kicking your children out

[fair osprey]

i still have a decent relationship with my mother but its hard for me to talk to her about anything LGBTQ+ related because she traumatized me when I first came out to her as gay

[flint dagger]

Anyway, hope you at least find that balance, @wicked jungle

[fair osprey]

emotionally manipulated me to the extreme basically

[fiery steeple]

I was questioned on why I'd lie to my mother like that when I tried to come out to her
after a while she said if I still believed it when I turned 18 she'd accept it
I'm turning 24 this year and there has been no progress

ultimately gone a lot better than most people's experience but still painful

[wicked jungle]

balance?

i mean, i wont ever tell them, that's a no-brainer
every time i hinted at it they got physically abusive?

it's a bit more than a "i disagree"

[torn willow]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-love-hi-bye-cat-gif-15999080

[wicked jungle]

i'm not ok with that?

[torn willow]

It's okay to not be okay with that

[flint dagger]

then your balance is different than mine.

[flint dagger]

yeah, also this!

[fiery steeple]

just stick it out until you can get away
then it doesn't matter what they think or what they'll do cause they can't do anything to you

[wicked jungle]

i'm sorry i just dont understand how you meant balance 😅

[flint dagger]

yeah maybe it's weird saying it with that word lol

[iron escarp]

i mean it makes sense now so its fine

[wicked jungle]

idk, maybe? english is my fourth language so i dont know the right knicks and knacks anyways

[torn willow]

Nothing excuses your parents' actions, but I think what Raf here tried to say is that this kind of violent, scary part of your life is inherently unbalancing. It's hard to feel safe and stable anywhere. So to get that balance where you get to start worrying less about your immediate safety and you get to start living your life is important to find

[flint dagger]

i hope you can find the environment that you feel okay to be in!

[torn willow]

So to Raf that balance was a relationship with their parents, but with their terms. To you it might look like getting as far away from those people as possible

[wicked jungle]

but like i love my dad

[flint dagger]

yepyepyep

[wicked jungle]

he is the most important person to me

so it's hard

[torn willow]

Yeah, I understand. The distance doesn't have to be forever

[wicked jungle]

i have plans but i am afraid of them

[flint dagger]

then maybe add him to the equation.
i'm that way too, except to my mom, that's why i'm okay with that.

[wicked jungle]

add him?

[iron escarp]

sometimes it can be better to let go of people you find important, but what you do with that situation is something that is basically just up to you

[flint dagger]

GOSH EVEN WEIRDER WORDS WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME

[wicked jungle]

SORRY SORRY

[flint dagger]

NONONO ISSOKAY

[wicked jungle]

YOU'RE DOING GREAT I'M JUST NOT USED TO ANY OF THIS

[iron escarp]

like you can choose what kind of contact you want with him eventually, and how frequently

[flint dagger]

i mean, you might wanna start with your dad to talk about it.

[wicked jungle]

uhm, no

i tried, see above

[fiery steeple]

ultimately if someone is making your life difficult, my advice is to excise them from your life

[wicked jungle]

but he's my only family

[iron escarp]

you dont need to, but once you've got like your own space/place you can start choosing how much contact to keep with him and what to tell or not to tell him abt your life

[flint dagger]

ahh, yeah, like i said we dont know the details, it's up to you to decide what feels right. and what feels right to me might not be possible to you.

[wicked jungle]

trutru

[fiery steeple]

too much emphasis is put on family imo

[torn willow]

It seems to me like you've been trying so, so hard to keep him in your life. And you can keep trying, but just know that building bridges does not work if someone is burning it down at the other end

[wicked jungle]

also very true, but i'm just connected to him in a family way?

[fiery steeple]

I don't like how my family treats me so as much as I appreciate what they've done for me
I'd be better off without them

[torn willow]

And like I said, if you need to cut him out of your life, it doesn't have to be forever. But it really sounds like you need a breather from this situation you are in

[iron escarp]

family isnt just bonds through blood relation, you can start choosing who is and isnt your family eventually

[fiery steeple]

^

[wicked jungle]

i have aunts n such but i dont call them my family or my aunts, i just call them by name, but he's been there forever, he taught me much and he was encouraging me to wear male stuff and perhaps eve work in a more male dominated job

he's not even close to ok with lgbt anything but he's more "supportive" than my mother and more than some of my former friends

[torn willow]

Sounds like there is hope then! Maybe he will come around, but stay safe while you wait for him to do that

[fiery steeple]

then it sounds like you're gonna have to make a very difficult decision down the road

[shrewd wasp]

discord must you-

[pure oxide]

yes. it must.

[fiery steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/its-you-pointing-you-sunglasses-gif-17739100

[torn willow]

Clearly, Discord must.

[flint dagger]

yeah, honestly it's okay to feel overwhelmed by this.

[shrewd wasp]

hella rude.

[wicked jungle]

he wont come around and that's ok, i wont try anymore, i'm however afraid of how to keep him in my life without missing out on my own life and be disrespectful to my future relationships?

[shrewd wasp]

what are we talking about ?

[fiery steeple]

unsupportive parents

[wicked jungle]

^

[iron escarp]

i mean you dont need to tell him abt your future relationships if you feel thats unsafe to do

[shrewd wasp]

oof...

[iron escarp]

or simply if you dont wish to

[wicked jungle]

but it'd feel so disrescpectful for me

[flint dagger]

yeah, honestly the Golden Girls taught me that lol

[wicked jungle]

like i cant let even my friends meet the most important human in my life

[fair osprey]

i mean your romantic life is no business except your own

[shrewd wasp]

your safety's more important than respect (ps I've read none of this and have no context, imma read up rn)

[fiery steeple]

I maintain that too much emphasis is put on family, especially shitty ones
I'd rather just pick and choose the people I want to have in my life

[wicked jungle]

but also platonic, you know

[fair osprey]

that too

[torn willow]

There aren't any right answers to this, unfortunately. But if you want a relationship with your father, it needs to be on your terms so you can be safe and keep living your life fully.

So you need to find what works for you

[wicked jungle]

even if we werent bound by family he is important to me

[flint dagger]

definitely, answers differ to each person here.

[wicked jungle]

yep

[fiery steeple]

just because somebody has been important doesn't mean they need to stay in your life forever

[fair osprey]

point is, he has no business poking his nose into it. he doesn't need to know shit about it.

[wicked jungle]

i want him to tho (as answer to artemis)

[fiery steeple]

then you can try to include him with all the struggles it will bring

[iron escarp]

he can stay in your life if you want him to, but that doesnt mean that you need to tell him everything

especially because it will cost it your safety with some specific things

[torn willow]

Yeah, you can set boundaries. Your father gets to be a part of your life, but not all of it if he can't be supportive about it.

[fiery steeple]

I'm not trying to say you're wrong or anything, all I'm saying is your life is your own, as much as you may appreciate his role in your life, he is not the deciding factor of how you live

[wicked jungle]

even outside of relationships, i plan to change my name idk how he'd react to it

[fiery steeple]

probably poorly

[wicked jungle]

it'd just hurt me if he'd throw me out of his life simply because of who i am

on both ends i'd get hurt hah

[fiery steeple]

unfortunately he'd be far from the first

[iron escarp]

well changing your name legally tends to be a long process, so once you start, take your time to think about if you still feel the same abt your dads position in your life

[wicked jungle]

first to throw me away?

[fiery steeple]

first parent to throw their child away I mean

[shrewd wasp]

Just walk over the french border I'll come pick you up.

[wicked jungle]

trutru

[iron escarp]

or the dutch border^^

[wicked jungle]

i'm 3h away from it, dont tempt me.

[flint dagger]

there will be one out of every two situations that would feel lighter.

[torn willow]

Yeah, it's painful if that happens. Sometimes there isn't a way out without hurt. Just remember, if that happens, you have a community here that loves you and is there for you. We'll catch you if life pulls the rug from under your feet

[wicked jungle]

2h away from my college appartment, dont tempt me.

[fiery steeple]

you have many options and people willing to love you for who you are

[flint dagger]

this comes from someone who always think of the worst case scenario

[wicked jungle]

i dont believe in such things? does this make sense?

[fiery steeple]

this server is full of them you goose

[fair osprey]

[iron escarp]

that's likely because its not happened before, but that doesnt mean it never happens

[wicked jungle]

for now i'm a bit to scarred and scared

i tend to run away when it's too much

[fiery steeple]

that's honestly fair considering what you've been through

[flint dagger]

same here.

[wicked jungle]

heck i ran away from the hades discord

[shrewd wasp]

y'all be having super interesting convos so mad I missed half of it 😂

[torn willow]

Yeah, it's hard to believe sometimes, especially if you've been alone for a long time. It's hard to trust that support and safety too. We're still here though.

[fair osprey]

H A D E S

[wicked jungle]

you can still answer to it like you did yesterday 😂

[fiery steeple]

I still have trust and abandonment issues and I've been working on it for years

[wicked jungle]

yes?

[flint dagger]

in the end, whatever you do, try not to feel guilty about it.

[wicked jungle]

but i do

[fair osprey]

I wanna smooch Thanatos gayly, with consent aaaaaaaaaa

[wicked jungle]

it's hard to not feel guilty for what you've decided to do 🤔

[iron escarp]

just know that you dont need to feel guilty for being scared/scarred

[wicked jungle]

hhehehhehehehehehehsiödalsöaldafondlkföa

[fiery steeple]

you shouldn't feel guilty about being true to yourself and wanting to stay safe at the same time

[flint dagger]

i know it's easier said than done.

[torn willow]

Feeling guilty is normal, don't worry. Just remember that no matter how much guilt you feel you are not a bad person. You have not made your choices with bad intent. You might feel the guilt, but you don't necessarily deserve it.

One day you can let it go

[wicked jungle]

i am attracted hardcore to chris sapphire voicing than, i just wish our romantic relationship wouldnt almost only come across as SMASH

[shrewd wasp]

if it's a choice it's one I'll make every day, fuck you society I love girls 🤷‍♀️

[iron escarp]

and even when you can't let it go, it will get better over time

[fiery steeple]

big same

[torn willow]

But in the mean while remember that your guilt does not say anything bad about you.

[shrewd wasp]

Also Angel I'm highkey adopting you

[iron escarp]

same here, you're always welcome

[fiery steeple]

I'll be that weird aunt across the lake

[shrewd wasp]

"cool I disagree with you disagreeing with a part of your child/loved one's identity for no good reason"

[torn willow]

I'll be that weird relative in the middle of the woods with the really good teas

[iron escarp]

tea <3

[torn willow]

You are being multi-adopted it seems

[torn willow]

You are also very welcome to the tea

[wicked jungle]

well i guess my identity and the stigmas and gatekeepers talking about it make me feel more like that guilt is deserved? maybe i am wrong for not wanting sex with my partners, maybe i am wrong for neither being femoid nor male, maybe i am wrong for not having disphoria anymore and thinking i'm still not femoid

I know it's all just internalized bullshit that isnt right but i cant help reacting to it because of how used i am to the internlized self-depreciation being valid thx to people always coming back to how "right" it all is, that i am the bad person

i hope this ramble made sense, i know i'm stupid

[wicked jungle]

tea ;o;

[iron escarp]

you're not stupid, you make perfect sense

[torn willow]

You are not stupid ❤️ Far from it. You've already made so much progress on your own.

[iron escarp]

and i feel you in that, i have immense guilt around my ace idenity and still struggle accepting that part of me

[sacred badge]

I know how this feels, if you hear that you are wrong from enough people you start to believe it

[fiery steeple]

I think we've all had that to varying degrees at some point

[iron escarp]

yeah, its an inherent thing to having a queer idenity i think

[shrewd wasp]

no touchy Than he's Zagreu's husband

[wicked jungle]

queer identity crisis check

[wicked jungle]

honey, we ARE zagreus

[fiery steeple]

considering how much society pushes queer identities being "wrong" it'd be pretty shocking for someone to have not had a crisis

[shrewd wasp]

.....well when you put it that way.

[iron escarp]

-i thought polyam was a thing in hades-

[wicked jungle]

i wonder how confident people react to the crisis

[wicked jungle]

HEHEHEHE

[torn willow]

Indeed. But one day it will get better. It's a lot of hard work, but. It does get better.

[iron escarp]

idk how yall do the stripe thing

[wicked jungle]

~~ on both sides ~~

[iron escarp]

hehe~ the little curly

[fiery steeple]

confidence is a result of coming out the other side of the crisis without letting it beat you down

[torn willow]

By losing a lot of confidence, usually 😄

[shrewd wasp]

man that was beautiful, but I'm a serial monogamist xD

[fair osprey]

polyam IS a thing in HADES actually. you can date both Than and Meg and they acknowledge it

[fiery steeple]

alternatively
fake it til you make it

[wicked jungle]

and platonically date dusa, dont forget her <3

[torn willow]

Don't worry, they get the confidence back when they manage to live through the crisis

[iron escarp]

i couldnt ever find enough ppl to like me to even have any sort of non-platonic relationship ugh

[fiery steeple]

just pretend to be confident until you convince yourself you actually are

[shrewd wasp]

Dusa is baby ❤️

[wicked jungle]

THERE IS AN END TO THE CRISIS???

[fiery steeple]

there can be!

[shrewd wasp]

why u gotta call me out like that ?

[torn willow]

Yeah. There is ❤️

You'll get there too

[flint dagger]

k. i feel like i accomplished something in this channel lol.

[fiery steeple]

don't worry I was also calling myself out

[shrewd wasp]

you have Raf ! 😄

[wicked jungle]

it's been 9/10 years, how much longer ;-; i want a refund ;-;

[fiery steeple]

when you come out the other side

[iron escarp]

i want a gender refund, take back my puberty i dont need it anyway

[wicked jungle]

SAME

[torn willow]

Yeah, sometimes it takes. So long. And a lot of the time you need outside help, people who support you through it.

[torn willow]

Shit where can I get those, would get me one

[wicked jungle]

i also hate that people get jealous about my feminine body traits, i dont want them, take my boobs, i dont want them, stop being jealous about something i DONT WANT

[fiery steeple]

I'll take em

[iron escarp]

you just trade with somebody that wants the parts you dont? right??

[wicked jungle]

please do

i wish it was easy

[iron escarp]

YES

[shrewd wasp]

anyone want a uterus whilst we're at it ?

[wicked jungle]

just take them

[fiery steeple]

yes pls

[shrewd wasp]

I'm selling mine, it's a piece of shite

[iron escarp]

no thanks i already have my own i dont want

[fiery steeple]

I'll take the whole kit and kaboodle

[wicked jungle]

imagine you could just cut-paste or copy-paste so easily

[fiery steeple]

I'll even take spares if y'all are offering

I know a few transgirls in need

[iron escarp]

i do too haha

[shrewd wasp]

honestly I'd keep everything but the uterus Angel xD

[iron escarp]

snip snip

thats fair too haha

they're nothing but trouble and pain istg

[shrewd wasp]

god I hate my periods...

[iron escarp]

mine are horrible as heck

[fiery steeple]

I'd happily take the trouble and pain if it meant not hating my body lmao

[sacred badge]

I don’t want mine either, not trans, but I do have endometriosis so yeah even if I was selling I don’t think anyone would want it anyway lol

[shrewd wasp]

oof Warrior yeah I get that ><

[fiery steeple]

okay I'll probably pass on one of those uteri

[wicked jungle]

"selling"

[fiery steeple]

old coworker told me about her experiences with it and hoo boy

[shrewd wasp]

my cramps are so bad I actually had a whole check up specifically looking for it, but they found nothing, my junk's literally just hurting for the hell of it

[iron escarp]

i mean im on anticonception only bc of periods

[wicked jungle]

your body does try to squeeze itself inside out

the worst are phantom periods

[shrewd wasp]

my aunt had it, had to have surgery for it and the surgeon messed up, they snipped the nerves relating to her bladder....

[dark patio]

quick note, it’s generally better to put a space between like “trans girls” because trans is just an added description to the word girls.

[wicked jungle]

whenyourspacebarsometimesdoesntwork

[fiery steeple]

a fair point

trans girls are still just girls

[iron escarp]

yep

[shrewd wasp]

aye

[wicked jungle]

say it louder for the imbeciles in the back

[dark patio]

Yup

[shrewd wasp]

TRANS GIRLS ARE GIRLS YOU IMBECILES IN THE BACK

[iron escarp]

say it louder for the dumb superstraights

[fiery steeple]

ＴＲＡＮＳ　ＧＩＲＬＳ 　ＡＲＥ　ＳＴＩＬＬ 　ＪＵＳＴ　ＧＩＲＬＳ

[wicked jungle]

eristoteles i absolutely adore you

[torn willow]

Oh god I almost forgot about the superstraights

[iron escarp]

i wish i could ugh

[wicked jungle]

i know legit superstraights who didnt come from 4chan or trolled on tikitytok

they are scary

[torn willow]

That whole term just needs to be buried

[shrewd wasp]

can we just

[sacred badge]

Even if you said it for the superstraights I don’t think they’d listen

[iron escarp]

i mean yeah, not just because its transphobic

[shrewd wasp]

stop putting such a big emphasis on it

please.

[fiery steeple]

straight? never heard of it

[shrewd wasp]

you love who you love, you are who you are

and the rest is confetti

[wicked jungle]

it sounds so much like something you would say to pretend you're not gay

[iron escarp]

like it was literally invented by n@z1 ppl as a troll

[fair osprey]

ew straight

jk

[wicked jungle]

nope, it got hijacked by them

[iron escarp]

gender is confetti, you heard it here first peoples

[shrewd wasp]

no it was a legitimate thing started by one dude as a parody piece, that blew completely out of proportion

[wicked jungle]

the extra loud racists hijacked it a month after the first people came out with it

[shrewd wasp]

https://tenor.com/oMHv.gif

[iron escarp]

the straight ppl that have gender reveal parties were onto smth

[fair osprey]

superstraight isn't even a real sexuality anyways its just people being transphobic as always >.>

[wicked jungle]

*sex reveal parties lol

[torn willow]

Aw crap, I don't have a gender, do I still get confetti?

[fiery steeple]

I love when people champion a term without realising it was created to literally make fun of them

[wicked jungle]

when you think about those too hard, they are so fuckign gross

"MY BABY HAS A PENOID YEY"

[iron escarp]

yeah, they just wont be in a conventional shape

[shrewd wasp]

you get confetti, and YOU get confetti, and YOU GET CONFETTI

EVERYONE GETS CONFETTI

[torn willow]

HECK YEAH CONFETTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

[wicked jungle]

you will never get rid of 100% of the confetti

[fiery steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/celebrate-awesome-yay-confetti-party-gif-8571772

[shrewd wasp]

the glitter is everywhere

[wicked jungle]

it will be in your hair, your clothes, your private parts.......

[fair osprey]

society: hands me a gender
me:

[torn willow]

Excellent, because I don't even want to >:D

[fair osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sunny-plate-suburb-throwing-the-plate-mad-gif-15801456

[iron escarp]

or alternatively, gender is confetti, sexuality/romantic idenities are glitter

[wicked jungle]

hahahah

[shrewd wasp]

in all seriousness though y'all ever tried cleaning confetti

[torn willow]

Yes

[iron escarp]

because you can never change or get rid of either

[shrewd wasp]

it's hell.

[fiery steeple]

yep

[torn willow]

I gave up

[fiery steeple]

y'all ever step on a piece of lego

[wicked jungle]

can we finally get rid of gender roles

[fair osprey]

confetti isn't the hardest thing to clean up. glitter though.

[torn willow]

Yyyyyep

[iron escarp]

i'd like to introduce you guys to super-fine glitter, you will never stop finding it everywhere

[wicked jungle]

women are not just walking incubators

[shrewd wasp]

oh whoops XD

wrong person

[fair osprey]

glitter will become a part of you

and never leave

[iron escarp]

yeah

[shrewd wasp]

shudder

there we go

[fiery steeple]

that wasn't going anywhere I was just curious

[wicked jungle]

stepping on legOs isnt even that bad

[iron escarp]

we need gender role anarchy

[sacred badge]

Gender is confetti, sexuality is glitter and romantic preferences are the nicklodeon slime that they used to dump on peoples heads lol

[torn willow]

Also in the same category as stepping on legos; stepping on a d4

[shrewd wasp]

HUSH NO

[iron escarp]

no i dont want nick slime

[wicked jungle]

GAC

GIVE ME THE GAC

[iron escarp]

that will make me go full autistic meltdown pls no

[shrewd wasp]

https://tenor.com/ZlzX.gif

[iron escarp]

with sharp corners >:3

[torn willow]

It is too late. It has been spoken into existance.

[shrewd wasp]

don't say that, my dice are evil they'll get in my way-

[iron escarp]

or or metal d4

[torn willow]

OOF

[wicked jungle]

this is why i love nickelodeon gac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkj_zsy1uos

[shrewd wasp]

if I die getting stabbed by my d4, it's all y'alls fault.

[fair osprey]

im still mad that my gay dice always hate me and never roll well

[sacred badge]

When you step on a d4 do you take 1d4 piercing damage?

[fiery steeple]

I don't step on dice because I keep them all contained in a bag

[fair osprey]

like y'all are my favorite dice why would you betray me

[fiery steeple]

I think I have close to a kilo of dice

[iron escarp]

heheh >:3 feel my pain

[torn willow]

I'm sure the guilt will follow me to my grave

[iron escarp]

no you take a d100

[fair osprey]

D&D is gay culture y'all

[shrewd wasp]

you take all the d4 in your house damage

[fiery steeple]

it is!

I met my girlfriend through D&D!

[torn willow]

YUP

[iron escarp]

you can cleanse them!

[wicked jungle]

i wish games like d&d were normal in my friendgroups

[shrewd wasp]

well yes, it summons Satan and corrupts people

[torn willow]

We have the queerest DnD-group going on. It's the best.

[wicked jungle]

i would want nothing more than have a night out playing d&d or uno with my friends

[sacred badge]

I met my fiancé in minecraft

[iron escarp]

just feed them enough queer musicians of your choice

[shrewd wasp]

much like we all do in our spare Gay Agenda time

[fiery steeple]

we should all play D&D sometime

[iron escarp]

the gay agenda: dnd

[torn willow]

Now there's an idea I am 100% on board with

[shrewd wasp]

feck yeah !

[wicked jungle]

i thought you said "the gay agender"

[sacred badge]

Yes! I’ve been wanting to play d&d as a player for so long and you all seem so cool and chill

[fair osprey]

but then i'd just be trying to suppress who they are. I can't do that, that goes against gay protocol!

[iron escarp]

i mean it can be if you want it to

[fair osprey]

the gay dice cannot be cleansed

[shrewd wasp]

it's the avenger but with an agenda

[iron escarp]

they can be swayed

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/scarlett-johansson-flirty-eyes-eyebrow-gif-18540389

[fiery steeple]

The Gay Agender
the latest Nancy Drew novel trying to figure out who they're actually interested in

[shrewd wasp]

Scarlett Johansson is a gift to humanity that I'm never mad at

[iron escarp]

who's that, i just read mythology books

[wicked jungle]

AMEN

[wicked jungle]

A-F*CKING-MEN

[torn willow]

"Well see, since I don't have a gender technically every gender is opposite of mine so I'm just whole gay. Full homo."

[wicked jungle]

i love and appreciate all of you

[shrewd wasp]

right back at you ❤️

[iron escarp]

i love norse and celtic mythology, but i used to be super into greek and egyptian mythology when i was a minor

[fiery steeple]

the novel ends with Nancy Drew and the Gay Agender getting coffee

[torn willow]

The feeling is very much mutual ❤️

[iron escarp]

once again who's nancy drew

[shrewd wasp]

mythologies of all sorts are awesome

[fiery steeple]

oh that was what you were asking about

[wicked jungle]

"when i was a minor" is such a weird thing to say o.o

[iron escarp]

im sorryyyy

[wicked jungle]

WHEN I WAS A YOUNG LAD

[fair osprey]

i need to read more Rick Riordan books because apparently all the ones that came out after his Roman + Greek series are very queer friendly

[fiery steeple]

main character of a long series of mystery novels

[shrewd wasp]

WHEN I WAS A WEE LASS

[iron escarp]

WHEN I WAS A LAD I ATE 5 DOZEN EGGS

[wicked jungle]

no dont be sorry, i just never noticed how many words for pre-20s english has

[shrewd wasp]

english has all of the words

and they were all acquired illegally

[wicked jungle]

they stole them all monopoly style

[torn willow]

MY FATHER TOOK ME INTO THE CITY

[fiery steeple]

reminder that there was a Greek poet who was so damn gay that she had two words for homosexual women named after her

[fair osprey]

and multiple of them are also spelled exactly the same 🙂

[iron escarp]

i will cry

[shrewd wasp]

LESBOS MY LOVE

[torn willow]

Success

[shrewd wasp]

SAPPHO MY DARLING

[wicked jungle]

TO SEE A MARCHING BAND

[fiery steeple]

Sappho :p

Lesbos was her island

[iron escarp]

sappho :)

[shrewd wasp]

hey I can love the island

[fiery steeple]

it's a pretty sweet island

[torn willow]

Heck yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[shrewd wasp]

hell yeah I'll live on a gay island in the gorgeous mediterrannean xD

[iron escarp]

i might not be lesbean but i do like every gender so 🥺

[shrewd wasp]

it counts

[fair osprey]

my favorite is still Achilles slaughtering someone and marching their corpse around the city because they killed his gay lover

[wicked jungle]

@torn willow karaoke night? ;)

[fiery steeple]

exactly one of her poems has survived the ravages of time

[shrewd wasp]

fuck with the Petroclus get the nigh invincible warrior ™️

[fiery steeple]

and it is incredibly gay

[torn willow]

There is only one answer to that and that answer is JUST NAME A TIME I'LL BE THERE provided of course that I am not stuck at work

[shrewd wasp]

BUT THAT SAID

[iron escarp]

i just wish more queer history or non-traditional gender norms stuff within history survived better

[shrewd wasp]

ACHILLES SENT PETROCLUS TO TAKE HIS PLACE SO YOU KNOW.

[fiery steeple]

but mostly what we have to go off is that other poets and authors were big fans

[iron escarp]

like knowing what i do abt ancient norse social norms at this point

[wicked jungle]

JUST NAME WHEN YOU'RE FREE I'M DOWN WHENEVER

[shrewd wasp]

greek society : blatant homoeroticism everywhere
historians : they were such good friends

[fair osprey]

a good number of it did survive! but historians like to pull shit like "ah they must've been cousins"

[torn willow]

I MUST CONSULT THE CALENDAR WHEN I MY NEXT SHIFTS ARE ANNOUNCED ON TUESDAY

[wicked jungle]

the fact that christianity destroyed so many mythologies makes me so sad

[shrewd wasp]

god same Angel

[wicked jungle]

i'll be waiting <3

[shrewd wasp]

I want the untempered with Norse mythology

and the celtic one

[torn willow]

jUsT gALs bEiNg pAls, jUst gUys bEInG dUdeS

[wicked jungle]

nobody has called me angel in so long ;-;

[iron escarp]

this goes for most chistianized ancient societies imo

[fiery steeple]

history be like "two female friends from the 1900s taking a photo together"

[wicked jungle]

look at those B E S T B U D S

[shrewd wasp]

would you prefer Marmy ?

[wicked jungle]

look at those N O R M A L R O O M M A T E S

[shrewd wasp]

MAN THE PLATONIC FRIENDSHIP IS STRONG IN THIS ONE

[wicked jungle]

i dont prefer anything, everything and anything goes

[iron escarp]

ah yes the normal roommates, that got friendship married and live together

[fiery steeple]

"surely just practising for their husbands"

[torn willow]

What a beautiful friendship indeed.

[fair osprey]

some mummified egyptian: buried in a female coded coffin thing, but has a 'male' body
historians: "they must have made a mistake! 🙂 "

[shrewd wasp]

they've been practicing for 30 years but you know

[wicked jungle]

nah nah, no marriage here, just a sisterly bondship like bloodbrothers in war right? just bloodsisters over... sewing or something feminine

[fiery steeple]

just waiting for the right guy

[torn willow]

I mean, practice makes perfect and why wouldn't you want to be perfect for yout hubby????

[wicked jungle]

oh no 😂

[shrewd wasp]

that elusive perfect man that'll make every girl Turn

[iron escarp]

also remember those copses found preserved in like the volcanic city from like greece or whatever? determined to both be male based on the bones if i remember correctly

[wicked jungle]

the amount of people who say "you just need the right gal/pal" i'm vomiting

[shrewd wasp]

in Pompei ?

[wicked jungle]

yes

[iron escarp]

🤮 ikr

[fiery steeple]

"I can dick you straight" is one of the most sickening things I've ever been told

[iron escarp]

ya

[wicked jungle]

I CAN DICK YOU STRAIGHT STOP

I AM GOING TO PUT THAT ON MY TOMBSTONE

[iron escarp]

that's not only rape culture but also so fucking gross and lesphobic

[shrewd wasp]

had someone tell me "oh kiss your gf that turns me on"

[torn willow]

Ooof yeah, that. That is the worst

[hidden inlet]

What did I walk into.

[shrewd wasp]

like yes of course cuz I exist to be your fantasy and nothing else

[fair osprey]

aight i hate to be the one to say this but pls keep the convos sfw thank you

[wicked jungle]

most lesbian stuff is on the heteropage just sayin 👀

[torn willow]

It's too late to run now!

[iron escarp]

pls im begging

[wicked jungle]

everything is anyhow sexual and i am disgusted

[torn willow]

Oh, no worries, we'll tone it down

[fiery steeple]

we live in a society

[wicked jungle]

yall horny-lads never had a good platonic hug

[shrewd wasp]

apologies to anyone if we made you uncomfortable

[fiery steeple]

I have actually!

[pure oxide]

woah

[fiery steeple]

it changed my life

[pure oxide]

was I not doing my job well enough

[fair osprey]

like i'd be all for discussing the topics at length and in detail but there are rules here for a reason x3

[iron escarp]

i mean it just came out of nowhere

[shrewd wasp]

I'm demisexual so wouldn't exactly call myself horny 😂

[pure oxide]

Yeah, this server is definitely PG please.

[torn willow]

Aw it's not on you, there's like a hundred channels you manage. You're doing great ❤️

[fiery steeple]

I'm pretty sure I was the one that started it, I'm sorry

won't happen again 🤐

[wicked jungle]

ditto

[shrewd wasp]

Shleegion assemble, we did not do right by our Lady And Saviour

[pure oxide]

It's fine to talk about issues that the community faces here, including homophobic threats like the one mentioned, but talking about pornography or sexual encounters is a big no-no

[torn willow]

Understood!

[wicked jungle]

shleegion just knock me out cold plz

[shrewd wasp]

I don't remember who coined the term 😂

[iron escarp]

i think its time for me to go say hi to afterlife

[torn willow]

It's the best term

[wicked jungle]

i believe it was you 😂

[flint dagger]

Auntie.

[shrewd wasp]

no no it wasn't

[fiery steeple]

I am about to go to bed

[shrewd wasp]

OF COURSE IT WAS AUNTIE

ninight Art !

[wicked jungle]

Abhelica — Yesterday at 8:30 PM
oh wait...Shleegion of followers

[pure oxide]

Wait, when did Shleegion become a thing? it wasn't created just now???

[torn willow]

Good night~~

[fiery steeple]

g'night everyone ❤️ I love you all

[wicked jungle]

IT WAS ABHELICA ALL ALONG

[iron escarp]

gnight artemis!

[shrewd wasp]

nope started during yourt stream yesterday 😄

[wicked jungle]

good night sleep tight

[pure oxide]

wait what?! I am not comfortable with this cult following I am somehow amassing and am DEFINITELY not deserving of it

[flint dagger]

WHY ARE YOU SURPRISED ITS ALWAYS EITHER OF YOU LOL

[shrewd wasp]

on that note I gots to go, love you all my darlings ❤️

[wicked jungle]

you are the maker of a deity tho..........

our allmighty eristoteles

[torn willow]

The cult chooseth, m'afraid

[torn willow]

Byeeee~~

[pure oxide]

Love you all, sleep well or be well or whatever it is you;'re about to go do! Do good!

[iron escarp]

i wish i was around sooner to have witnessed this proper xd

[wicked jungle]

have a beautiful timezone <3

[shrewd wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/tricks-magic-magical-disappear-magic-trick-gif-6088291

[flint dagger]

And i definitely wasn't in in any of that XD

[shrewd wasp]

WELL YOU'RE NOT WRONG.

[flint dagger]

WHY THE SUS CHICKEN I WAS NOT

[pure oxide]

It's okay. Ramzy is definitely not part of the weird cult following I've amassed and also probably believes I don't deserve it either, LOL, and that's fine with me. ❤️

[wicked jungle]

o.O

[iron escarp]

i've not been part of this server long enough to know whats going on

[wicked jungle]

i was part of the last making of the pantheon but i'm just as confused

[pure oxide]

I've been part of this server since August and I still don't know what's going on half the time. And I'm a mod. It's fine, you'll survive, lol

[torn willow]

Yes, we will get through the bogs of confusion together

With the power of friendship

And gay.

Mostly the gay

[supple brook]

Oh shlee support???? I'm here for that

[wicked jungle]

the power of queer and friendship? i'm down for that

[supple brook]

All I need in life

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/carebear-carebears-cute-care-bear-stare-gif-5570640

[idle bane]

I recommend watching the entire show but this really powerful moment from Broadway Backwards (which is an annual queer positive fundraiser where broadways stars primarily sing genderbent versions of popular broadway songs) made me cry and I thought it might help someone else here too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGtF0ecg-34

[wicked jungle]

would humans wearing a human-hat be as cute as frogs wearing a frog-hat?

[empty siren]

That is amazing.

[wintry monolith]

I made a friend very nearly spit her water out upon seeing this lmao

[pearl sleet]

LMAO

[rose ice]

moOd

[flat scaffold]

be gay, do picrews https://picrew.me/image_maker/137904

[waxen hare]

FIDISK I DIDNT REALISE ID DONE THAT ONE AND WAS IMMEDIATELY HIT IN THE FACE WITH THIS MASTERPIECE

[flat scaffold]

fasdfjakl; oh my god that's amazing

[rustic drum]

It's so cute 😭

[mellow sand]

This is fun

[iron escarp]

piccrew my beloved, its like just a very gender experience

[pearl sleet]

What is the link for that one

[iron escarp]

https://picrew.me/image_maker/137904

[pearl sleet]

Ty

[wintry monolith]

https://picrew.me/image_maker/137904/complete?cd=gXlBICEHTo

They didn't really have gray eyes :<

The lightest ones were quite blueish

[iron escarp]

:0 so cool

[wintry monolith]

:3

[wicked jungle]

ngl it's hella fun

[wintry monolith]

I love how pretty much everyone chose the tea 😂

[fiery steeple]

I mostly use picrews to make RP characters

[iron escarp]

it is, we have a daily piccrew on an other server im in

[wicked jungle]

those are the best hands tbh

the waving hands just float ominously away from the body

(the vodka ones too)

[iron escarp]

i just like tea haha

[fading cedar]

Heyo guys! hows you all been? 😄

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/want-some-tea-you-like-gif-14843686

[iron escarp]

i've been good, going to cook in a bit

i've been looking into some niche fashion stuff

[wicked jungle]

:o

[iron escarp]

ouji fashion is so neat

[wicked jungle]

"victorianna vampire prince fashion" 👀 ?

[wintry monolith]

God, trying to pin down which aesthetic that I want to wear is so fucking difficult

[wicked jungle]

just take them all raven

[wintry monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-burning-gif-8869638

[wintry monolith]

mwahaha

Oh cute!!

[wicked jungle]

love that!

[idle bane]

i love the fashion options in this one

[wicked jungle]

the clothes are really cute

[wintry monolith]

My partner laughed and said "oh no" at the mischief eyes of my picrew haha

[fiery steeple]

shaaaaaak

[wicked jungle]

the shifty eyebrows ;)

[wintry monolith]

The little sparkle

[wicked jungle]

this shark has the best style

[fiery steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/gawr-gura-gura-gawr-holomyth-hololiveen-wink-gif-18669368

[wicked jungle]

omg didnt even see the sparkle at first

[wintry monolith]

I saw the combination and titled it the "Raven about to make a really great shitty pun" look lmao

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-agree-yup-nod-gif-14017499

[fading cedar]

ooo watcha cooking?

[waxen hare]

happy egg day my fellow gays

[fiery steeple]

happy zombie jesus day

[hoary lake]

hi alphabet ppls

[fiery steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rogers-alphabet-matters-its-fine-gif-15809115

[hoary lake]

hihi yea!

what do yall normally do in this channel?

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/alphabet-anime-gif-11727431

be gay, not do crime

[fiery steeple]

sometimes crime

[wicked jungle]

the mods dont like crime on the server

Artemis no D:

[hidden inlet]

Vent about some issues that we're dealing with, vibe, talk about random shit.

Artemis yes 😄

[fiery steeple]

I'm getting mixed messages

[hidden inlet]

It was supposed to just be the first, but apparently the queers took over and now it's just queer general chat. XD

[wicked jungle]

Shlee do something 😂

[hoary lake]

be gay and no major crime i got it

[hoary lake]

first?

[wicked jungle]

ok that actually doesnt sound to bad

first general chat?

[hoary lake]

ohh i see

[hidden inlet]

Apparently this chat was supposed to be just about the issues the alphabet mafia's facing, but now it's just kind of a safe space for us to vibe in and do whatever.

[hoary lake]

that sounds cool :3 the more safe spaces the better

[wicked jungle]

ooooooooo

[hidden inlet]

Oh, I replied the wrong message.

[wicked jungle]

you good

[iron escarp]

Yes

[iron escarp]

Just finished cooking

It b looking pretty good ngl

[wicked jungle]

do it b tasting pretty good too? 👀

cause it for sure looks tasty

[iron escarp]

It is rlly good

I love being able so season my food now I live alone

[wicked jungle]

ooo how so?

[iron escarp]

My sister can't handle any seasoning basically

And my parents are whiter than a Loaf of casino bread

[wicked jungle]

casino bread o.O

same with my fam, i tend to cook how i like it, put a plate aside and then add just 5L milk

[iron escarp]

I feel like drinking.milk with everything is very european

[wicked jungle]

milk and flour - the strongest seasoning

oh for sure

especially milk with mashed potatos

[iron escarp]

I can't drink milk myself cuz it makes me asthma go📈

[fading cedar]

Yuuuum!!

[wicked jungle]

how does milk correlate with asthma? dairy allergy?

[iron escarp]

No it's like throat stuff that happens bc of my astma and drinking milk/eating fairy products makes it worse

Same with most sodas

But like other ppl that aren't supposed to eat dairy products, I still do

Cheese my beloved

[pearl sleet]

Aaa nvm I'm not supposed to ask questions

Im sorry

[waxen hare]

cheese.... is so good

i think i read somewhere that it was more addictive than cocaine and honestly i would believe it

[pearl sleet]

Ok so
I have an announcement
I'm coming out as non binary
It may not be permanent
I'm exploring my gender for right now

[iron escarp]

i mean no gender identity has to be permanent, you can decide what labels do and dont work for you, as well as pronouns and the like

sexuality/romantic idenity does not have to be stagnant either, what label you use or what you identify as doesnt have to be permanent if you dont want it to be

i mean as an ace person i know i struggle with that label constantly, and whether my other labels are the right fit for me

[wicked jungle]

we as people are very fluid, one day you might like male clothes, one dayyou might prefer looking at femoids, nothing is ever set in stone. the most important thing is that you're comfortable

honestly StarKult, the day i move back to my university i'm going to the netherlands to buy/make you a cake

[pearl sleet]

Thanks you two

I appreciate that

[supple brook]

@pearl sleet may I ask what pronouns you use/you're trying out? 💞 Unless you're unsure yourself!

[pearl sleet]

They them pld

Pls

[supple brook]

Dope!!! Idk if you know this but you can assign yourself pronoun roles on the server!

[pearl sleet]

Oh you can?

[supple brook]

Yeah!! In the roles channel :D

[pearl sleet]

Derp

Didn't know that existed here

[supple brook]

:D

[pearl sleet]

Ty

I'm...a little nervous still, haha

This is all new and scary

[supple brook]

That's super understandable, figuring yourself out is hard and scary

[rose ice]

I'm new to it as well, you got this!

[chrome cedar]

you got thiiiiis

[pearl sleet]

Thanks everyone

The support means so much

Now how do i tell my mom

Shes very accepting

But she can be a little bit
Whats the word
Stubborn?

[rose ice]

Yeah I getcha, same problem I'm having with my husband now

[pearl sleet]

I wish you good luck!!!

[wicked jungle]

since you said yourself that you are currently figuring things out idk if there is much to tell her? unless you mean to tell her about maybe trying new pronouns for you, then just ask for her assistance in your period of learning about your gender identity?

[chrome cedar]

Is your mom familiar with non-binary-ness (?)

worst word ever I apologize, I couldn't think of a better way to phrase

[pearl sleet]

I don't think so no

[wicked jungle]

it's an okay word tho, kinda funny even hehe

[chrome cedar]

Then I would probably start with introducing her to the idea of more than two genders

[wicked jungle]

there is a lovely loch ness monster in every nb

[chrome cedar]

[pearl sleet]

I am a loch ness monster

Can confirm

[wicked jungle]

hehehehe

[pearl sleet]

Rawr

Fear me

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/loch-ness-monster-behind-you-nyah-gif-15010224

[pearl sleet]

Or give me pats

Either works

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-good-boy-gif-7220650

[chrome cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-pat-caress-love-care-gif-13912621

[pearl sleet]

Gtg phone is at 2%

Ttygl tysm

[wicked jungle]

have a beautiful day/night :)

[chrome cedar]

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-your-cat-day-hug-cat-u-want-hug-gif-8723720

[chrome cedar]

Yes

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hug-back-hug-notice-me-attention-to-me-gif-14227401

[chrome cedar]

[supple brook]

This is completely my own opinion and experience and everyone's different but tbh I don't think you should always instantly come out to everyone once you start questioning something you know? It's okay to figure yourself out first and come out to people once you're confident ❤️

Sometimes telling them "hey i'm going through Some Stuff and trying to figure some things out atm" is enough too

I think sometimes you're so excited about going on A Journey that you wanna yell it out to everyone immediately but that can quickly do more harm than good for yourself. Not because people are unaccepting or anything but coming out to ppl over and over and over again is HARD. You might back yourself into a corner and get stuck there. Sometimes you go on a journey and come out exactly where you left off and decide that it wasn't for you afterall and that's awesome too! But lots of people don't understand you "backing out" even though it's an important part of building your identity

[wicked jungle]

however things like assisting in the process via pronouns seems like a totally normal thing to ask - i would say most questioning people go to their chill friends and ask to support their journey like that.
So if you are close enough with your parents to ask them for an assist, that's something i'd get behind?

[supple brook]

ANYWAYS what I mean to say is do what feels right to you and don't rush things

[fading cedar]

Honestly, you Are so strong and so amazing! Doesnt matter if you’re just trying it out, be you! You can be anyone you want and no one can tell you differently! ❤️

[supple brook]

Oh ywah for sure that's very important! I just think that we put a lot of weight on coming out to people as fast as possible (because of internalized things) when sometimes it's more important to figure out who you are and give it some more thought before you rush out into the world with it. Internet bubble is very different from real life as well

Like this isn't strictly @ jack even just for anyone who's questioning in general

Make sure you come out for you and once you feel ready, not because you feel like you have to for the sake of anyone but yourself ❤️

[chrome cedar]

I do completely understand what you mean, bivexual I've made quite the journey with my sexuality and in between I did kind of come out to people only to discover later that it was not "right"

In the end, it's a very personal thing and everyone has to know when they are ready for it

I've been open about my sexuality to most people on the internet and to almost no one irl.

[wicked jungle]

me who has been questioning since i came out of the children oven = 🥲

[supple brook]

Which is also a super important and healthy part of it! A lot of people who aren't queer especially just might unfortunately not understand that identities can change and sometimes even over your entire life

[wicked jungle]

three different huggles, Shariza are you cheating in life 😂

[fading cedar]

I agree with this, but I also feel like it’s nice to have someone you can ‘ Come out’ to that also don’t mind you changing your mind, like someone you can tell ‘yo I’m bisexual’ and then a month later tell that ‘yo nvm I’m gay’ so that you always have someone to talk about these things. That always helped me at least

[chrome cedar]

It's the power of nitro

[supple brook]

100%!!! If you have someone you can trust like that that's amazing

[wicked jungle]

or the power of having access to three different servers witht he same emote? ;3

[chrome cedar]

xD Yes, that too

[fading cedar]

And if people here don’t. DM me. I will listen to anyone talk about their stuff! Might not always be able to help but if anyone needs someone to talk about I’m here ❤️ Judge free

[wicked jungle]

idk why but it feels like "yo" should be part of every coming out now...

[supple brook]

Tbh I think that's why internet spaces where no one knows you well can be super valuable and amazing. You're allowed to change your mind and no one will bat an eye

[chrome cedar]

I have this one friend that taught me most about gender identities and sexualities that I know because I grew up knowing close to nothing about it all and they've been with me on this entire journey of mine. So can agree

[fading cedar]

For suuuuure! 😂

[supple brook]

Same here! I'm happy to listen wherever I can

[chrome cedar]

Also just a little piece of advice: If you tell someone "I think I'm X" and they go "No, you are not", yeet them

[fading cedar]

That’s awesome!

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-fly-man-weeeeeee-gif-20105209

[fading cedar]

Lol fucking yeet them to the moon

[supple brook]

Yeet them as fast as you can. My ex friends were like that and it's so damaging

[wicked jungle]

nah the moon is a nice place

[fading cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/punt-kick-baby-grandma-gif-8217719

[chrome cedar]

Yeah, so was an ex-friend of mine

[fading cedar]

They’d freeze to death before they reached it anyway

[supple brook]

What's the planet that has acid rain again?

[chrome cedar]

And the low pressure would make them explode 😄

[wicked jungle]

depends on the strength of the yeet

i dont like that smile.

shariza why are you smiling like that.

[chrome cedar]

uhm

reasons

[wicked jungle]

do you have excessive information about moon-yeeting you wanna tell the class abotu?

[fading cedar]

Fireworks?

[chrome cedar]

ugly fireworks

[fading cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/firework-fireworks-baby-youre-a-firework-katy-perry-katy-perry-gifs-gif-10159643

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/firework-fireworks-baby-youre-a-firework-katy-perry-katy-perry-gifs-gif-10159643

jinx

[chrome cedar]

😂

[fading cedar]

HAHAHA

[wicked jungle]

omfg

we share one braincell

[fading cedar]

That’s the best

[chrome cedar]

I do have a moon-yeeting story, but no one exploded

[fading cedar]

Awww 😦

[wicked jungle]

too bad?

idk how to react to the sad cat

[fading cedar]

That’s a YouTube title if I ever saw one

[wicked jungle]

pffffffffffffffffffffff

[chrome cedar]

khfsk I'll become an influencer

[wicked jungle]

staaaaaaahp it's midnight i cant be laughing so much

[fading cedar]

Maybe you’ll get to go to the moon

[wicked jungle]

:O

the first influencer on the moon?

[fading cedar]

Maybeee

[wicked jungle]

well i guess that means no random meet and greets with people from your area o-o

it's been so long that people used to do that

[chrome cedar]

I played youtuber's life, I already had a youtube channel in a space station

[fading cedar]

Damn I need to get on your level 😂

Here I am doing YouTube from my apartment like a noob

[wicked jungle]

lvl 1 youtuber

[pearl sleet]

I've been thinking about this for over a year
Asking questions and stuff
Thinking
Wondering

[wintry monolith]

The little nonbinary flag+stand I ordered arrived and is on my WFH desk now! Woo!

[wicked jungle]

aye nice!

[fading cedar]

Awesome!

[wintry monolith]

I'm very thrilled

[supple brook]

Oh I hope it didn't sound like I was minimizing how long you've been questioning for, it was more of a general thing cause I know there's a lot of young queer and questioning people in here! ❤️

[wicked jungle]

cant wait to roll out the prideflags~

[pearl sleet]

I've been afraid to think about it for a while
Idek why
But...like...it's time
And I want people to use the correct pronouns and stuff

[wintry monolith]

I would take a pic but my desk is uh. At least a few layers of dust lmao.

[fading cedar]

ARENT THEY ALWAYS OUT??? 😂

[wicked jungle]

nope

when you live in a homophobic surrounding they might be more sealed up than out ._.

[supple brook]

Absolutely, and you deserve to be referred to the right way 💞

[wicked jungle]

i'm killing the good vibes aint i ._.

[pearl sleet]

In the end
I'm still me
And if you change genders, you're still you
You're just more of your ideal you

[pearl sleet]

Talking about these things is important too!

[supple brook]

No, you aren't. Unfortunately queer shit isn't just sunshine and rainbows

[wicked jungle]

everybody deserves to be their most comfortable self 🥺

[pearl sleet]

It's an unfortunate part of being lgbtq+

[fading cedar]

It’s understandable that you thought it was hard to think about, I think it’s common among us, but also don’t feel like you’re locked just cause you ‘come out’ think about it and talk about it out loud, if it feels great, awesome if you wanna try something else, go for it 🙂

[wicked jungle]

you wrote "among us" nam flashbacks

[supple brook]

Sus

[wicked jungle]

chicken?

[fading cedar]

Fair mine is in the closet LOL (where it belongs Hue hue) sorry bad joke

[pearl sleet]

amogus

[supple brook]

[fading cedar]

Amoongus

[wicked jungle]

amongoose

[supple brook]

Foongus?

[fading cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-amoonguss-among-us-sus-whos-that-gif-20298355

[wicked jungle]

amongsus

[supple brook]

🤔

[wicked jungle]

... chicken

[chrome cedar]

I recently sent a pride flag emoji to a co-worker and he didn't know it and I started explaining about genders and sexualities and suddenly he was like "Oh, so everything gets a flag now" and I just... awkwardly retreated to my little corner

[wicked jungle]

dies a little inside

ACTUALLY FUCK IT

YES WE ALL GET A FLAG

[supple brook]

Ugh

[wicked jungle]

YOU GET A FLAG

[pearl sleet]

The only reason i came out now is bc
I had a talk with a friend about being enby
And after that
The songs Dig a Little Deeper (from Princess and the Frog) and Reflection (From the animated Mulan) played on my phone so it felt like it was time to try it

[wicked jungle]

AND YOU GET A FLAG

[chrome cedar]

😂

[fading cedar]

OMG YES EVERYONE GETS A FLAG ✨🎉🎉🎉

[wicked jungle]

AND YOU DEFINITIVELY GET A FLAG

[chrome cedar]

YOU GO!

Pop off, my liege!

[wicked jungle]

but not the illegal ones/discriminating ones

[pearl sleet]

Literally 2 songs about finding yourself back to back

[fading cedar]

I LOOOVE REFLECTION

[pearl sleet]

So i said fuck it lets go

YESSSS

[fading cedar]

“Yeet the baby to the moon flag”

[wicked jungle]

teet???????

tit but in fancé

[fading cedar]

Please don’t tit the baby, unless you are it’s mother

[wicked jungle]

wtf would tit as verb even MEAN

[fading cedar]

To feed it I was thinking 😂

[supple brook]

Yeet the teet

[wicked jungle]

yes plz

[fading cedar]

Img plz no

[wicked jungle]

i dont want them

plz

i'm on my knees and all

[fading cedar]

Put that on a flag

[wicked jungle]

oh forsure

[pearl sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-winfrey-you-get-a-check-gif-11210783

O p r a h

[wicked jungle]

iF eVeRy CoUnTrY cAn HaVe A fLaG tHeN sO cAn EvErY hOoMaN

heck, you might even want five flags imagine that

[fading cedar]

Omg EVERY country gets a flag now?!

Ew

[wicked jungle]

not just the countries but some of their states do too!

imagine that!

[fading cedar]

They all look the same anyway

Like heck where’s the creativity?

[wicked jungle]

well yes but actually yes

[supple brook]

Ugh those damn special snowflake countries wanting to have their own flags 🙄

[wicked jungle]

and their states too, so gross

[pearl sleet]

Oh are we imitating straight people

[fading cedar]

This is my fave flag, not that im in the tribe it just looks nice

[wicked jungle]

aww

[pearl sleet]

Hello yes i am straight and very not gay despite being gay with my bros

Very straight

Did i mention im straight

[fading cedar]

It’s not gay if it’s with the bros...

[wintry monolith]

The straight flags skeeves me way the fuck out. Like just. No. Fuck off.

[pearl sleet]

I need to protect my fragile heterosexuality

[pure oxide]

wait, there's a straight flag?

[pearl sleet]

Apparently

[wicked jungle]

excuse you I AM STRAIGHT hides 500$ worth of prideflags in the closet

there are multiple straight ally flags but also a real straight flag

[fading cedar]

OHOHO IF there’s a straight gag lol

Flag****

[pearl sleet]

Yeah there is a difference between ally and the flag of being straight

[wicked jungle]

imagine looking like you're related to jails

[pearl sleet]

the allies generally aren't douchebags

[wicked jungle]

tbh i LOVE the new straight ally flag so much

[fading cedar]

wait I thought it was this one

[proper knot]

Very Breton

[wicked jungle]

the old one looks so weird

[pearl sleet]

Our flags are just colors why you gotta put the gender symbols

[wicked jungle]

thats the "straight pride" one

[fading cedar]

To know it’s straight to remind themselves

[pearl sleet]

They might forget

True true

I'm biromantic

[fading cedar]

What was yours?

[supple brook]

But cishets don't need a flag 😐 I hate it

[pearl sleet]

Sometimes I forget that

[supple brook]

I also really hate when people say the a in lgbtqa is for ally

[pearl sleet]

WHO SYAS THAT

I WILL

[fading cedar]

HAHAHAHA

[pearl sleet]

educate them gently

[wicked jungle]

i thought it was the design of the straight flag based ont he straight ally one but apparently it's also a straight pride considered one

[supple brook]

Oh so many people lmao

It's a whole disc horse

[fading cedar]

The g stands for gamer

[wicked jungle]

the p for... illegal

[pearl sleet]

The L is for lays

Sponsored by Lays

[supple brook]

B stands for bery sexy

[wicked jungle]

LAYS CRISPY CHIPS HELL YEA

[pearl sleet]

Gays
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