📚wiki-editors

[kindred beacon]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/User:Salty_Nori/Sandbox_3
and then this for faster page creation

[nova flume]

Sure, no problem!

[kindred beacon]

Thank you so muuuuch!

Updated the sandbox for the proper replace for pickled pages!

Apologies, I have yet to create documentation, but replace works like: {{Replace|<input string>|<search term>|<replacement term>}}
If replacement term is empty, it just removes the word instead.

this is invoking replace instead so it substitutes properly, but if ever for future pages, just need to replace Pickled in this part to whatever you want it to remove:
{{subst:#invoke:Replace|main|{{subst:PAGENAME}}|Pickled }}

For pages like Apple jam where you want to remove jam, add {space} before jam if you want to get rid of the space before it too. So it's:
{{subst:#invoke:Replace|main|{{subst:PAGENAME}}|{space}jam}}

oh... i'm sorry for the overload, i just saw that pickled stuff have plural names sometimes OTL

I can help continue other pages tomorrow!

[nova flume]

It works for most things, so you're fine. :p
I'll try and get through the rest of these pickles at least.

[kindred beacon]

made one final edit to the sandbox, i swear. thank you so much, nautilus! good night!

[nova flume]

Sleep well!

[solar frost]

i gave Theo a fruit juice (strawberry) and it didnt show up in loved or liked, might need to be updated? :)

[nova flume]

Hm... The fruit juice listed as loved is a unique item that might be unavailable. And... juices as a category might have been separated from other artisan goods, and not been corrected in the in-game preferences yet? It might be worth further testing.

Sunny should hate juice as a category, but anyone else should be neutral, I think?

[kindred beacon]

omg nautilus, thanks for catching all the mistakes i did with the file redirects

all those moves

[nova flume]

No worries! :>

[solar frost]

i usually dont do testing :P (might sound strange, cuz i already played it on alpha mode, but even there i didnt do much testing) i had my farm going smoothly, and was like 'hmmm i should get at least 2 hearts with all npc's', so i used wiki to do it as smoothly as possible, and when this one didnt work i was like 'okay i should probably share that this one didnt work'

[thorn plaza]

has anyone done testing to see which gems are loved by who? other than the universal loves/likes?

[nova flume]

I haven't looked it up personally.

[thorn plaza]

okay, ill probably do that tomorrow, at least for the ones from the earth and water geodes!

[merry aspen]

I'm currently developing a toggle to beta data in the guide and have therefore mined those infos if you need assistance

[nova flume]

I certainly wouldn't be against it! :'D I'm mostly trying to work out what the monsters are doing at the moment.

[merry aspen]

I’m still extracting files, the changes they made to icons take forever to extract haha after that I need sone toggle to switch between live and beta and I’m good to go

[kindred beacon]

I don't think it's best practice to use {{PAGENAME}} for every mention of the page name D: in a lot of instances, it's being used in the middle of a sentence so it copies even the capital letters. Would be a problem if a section is getting transcluded too

i already did it for crops, but I can bot the rest so it's not a mess in rc!

[viscid otter]

hi guys, should we add icon to the character page? sort of like this?

[kindred beacon]

Maybe it can be part of the infobox gallery instead

Infobox as a gallery of all their clothes isn't really the best navigation (especially since that's at least 6 tabs for all seasons, maybe more?), maybe we can move it somewhere else.

impt info for infobox is that they get recognized by players. everything else is extra, so other outfits can def live outside of it

[kindred beacon]

Henlo! I was hoping to update the wiki's theme!

feedback is welcome!

I haven't tried the link colors in fandom's theme thing yet though, so idk if it'd pass the contrast checker so it might change a little

Notices o:

[nova flume]

I think it looks very nice. :O

[kindred beacon]

yay

[sterile hatch]

👋

Thanks for the invite Nori 🙂 I'm going to mute pretty much every channel except this one since I'm only concerned with the wiki. 😉

[kindred beacon]

welcome moviesign! glad to see you here!

[kindred beacon]

slowly updating theme! needed to get the default down so less work at customizing

[kindred beacon]

Hi @sterile hatch! May I ask for help with the Discussions bg? I'm not sure why it doesn't cover the whole width. I added this to css but it doesn't work

.fandom-community-header__background.fitCenter {
    background-position: top;
    background-size: cover;
    height: 480px;
    position: fixed;
}```

[kindred beacon]

May I also request the replacement of the entire content of this page: https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Module:Mbox

to this: return require('Dev:Mbox') I think the curent module is preventing me from applying custom styles

[sterile hatch]

Okay, the first thing to do is turn off any external styling and set your background using Theme Designer. Then you can add styles on top of that once you make TD happy.

Right now, you have your background set to "Header" and "Center". You probably want to change that to "Full-screen", and "Cover"

[sterile hatch]

Done.

[kindred beacon]

OH that makes so much sense. I thought that was already set to cover in theme designer Thank you so much!

[kindred beacon]

Thank you for updating this too!

[kindred beacon]

Does anyone know if having a health/energy value means they're an edible ingredient for stone soup?

[nova flume]

I would guess so? I haven't gone through entire list though. :'D
Picking random items from the consumables table has found all but the newly added golden products from beta in the ingredients list, cooked dishes, artisan products, flowers have all been on it.

[kindred beacon]

oooh thank you!

I'll just add the category automatically then!

Also I made the border blue instead of brown. But maybe it made the wiki too uncoral island... I mostly got the blue from their website feedback is welcome, as always!

[kindred beacon]

OH the pamphlets are super cute

I wish we can get a camera mode I'd like to take a photo of locations for infobox

[solar frost]

pst hey, wiki is accurate on that Wataru loves catfish, but it seems like he likes mackerel (but doesnt love it), thought i'd give a heads up :)

[carmine chasm]

Did you gift him a regular-quality mackerel or a starred one? I know at least in earlier builds, Eleanor loved certain regular-quality bugs but only liked them if they had a quality star.

[kindred beacon]

do we want to record changes during early access or we wait for live release? i was hoping to add something like this:

[nova flume]

I think a changelog would be interesting, sure. Would it be feasible for all of the little tweaks though?

[kindred beacon]

feasible in what way?

[nova flume]

Mostly if it'd be a pain to keep track of. :'D

[kindred beacon]

i haven't played long enough to know how often they change, i mostly spotted price changes
if it's too often/a lot of things not set in stone, which is understandable in early access, little tweaks might be difficult to record in wiki just because of the amount of them esp for a small team, but it'd be great if we could!

we can work on big ones or stuff we're interested in until we get around to everything, if at all
mostly i wanted to know which version stuff were released

big ones for me are renames, image, or description updates o: (but whatever you consider "big" is cool too!)

i'll make a CH template soon

[nova flume]

I suppose most of their smaller, quick tweaks are occurring when updates are in their beta phase. Once they go live, they don't seem to do a lot more adjusting outside of major bugfixes. So, could be doable?

I... Don't know how much I remember of past updates, but the changelogs I have on the beta page are more or less unchanged from what went to the live update.

[sullen epoch]

there's an artifact "Gemstone Beads" that haven't put in wiki yet (can be donate, found in Mysterious Coffer)

[modern hill]

Ocean map ready for upload! #1092982038707064952 message

[kindred beacon]

we have a lot of stuff still missing in wiki but this is very much noted! thank you!

[kindred beacon]

this is amazing!

@nova flume would you know which file has the regrowing values? just noticed that taro root is now regrowable, or at least the description has it now

[kindred beacon]

oh i guess it's just taro, bok choy, and beet that got changed o:

[nova flume]

It's DT_CropRegistry. And yep, looks like taro root is 2 days regrowable.

[kindred beacon]

thank you so much!

[modern hill]

updated the fishing map 😄 #1058829364571156581 message

[modern hill]

bug map too #1073732585575944314 message (i prefer the fishing map lolol)

[cerulean flare]

do we have any map with trash bins marked?

[modern hill]

I haven’t made an image version but the interactive one on wiki has trash bins https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Map

[cerulean flare]

perfect, more than enough for the purpose, thanks!

[sterile hatch]

Tech blogs resume after brief hiatus: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jpearson/Technical_Updates:_May_19,_2023

[cerulean flare]

hey folks, how accurate is wiki at the moment in terms of 0.4 changes? or to ask it other way - what are pages / parts that need the most of updates? I'm considering starting new save (after 0.1 back in December), but I'd love to know decent reference point - either wiki or smth else like spreadsheets

[modern hill]

https://koenig.gg/coral-guide/ Alex’s guide site is on current v0.4-64665 data & between guide & wiki I get all info I typically need

I’ve got a checklist updated for v0.4 which should also be good reference https://discord.com/channels/623097219628662784/1109169530254659625

[cerulean flare]

thanks, checklist is amazing! however, i'd love wiki to be up to date, since for my next run I want to make data connections to pages like cooking, crops, etc. in order to extract it in spreadsheet automatically and calculate the most profitable crops, recipes, etc. Minmaxer's life is tough...

[kindred beacon]

we always need more volunteers to keep wiki up to date

[kindred beacon]

would love a bit of help with params and how we should present information in Infobox item

with mike's help, we're trying to consolidate multiple infoboxes into one. this makes it easier to dpl + also easier to maintain moving forward. Currently, we have a lot of infoboxes for only slight variations in required params.

but i'm having trouble with the type/category and how to handle it

because we have items with multiple classifications -- like, a "scavengeable" can be a vegetable, and a carrot in the in-game details is "vegetable" but they're also a crop.

should we just get rid of the type param and have everything equally under category?

or is there distinction enough between type and category that they should be separated?

[nova flume]

Hmm... Organizationally, I kind of like having an overarching type and any additional tags separated out. But if they're like too inconsistently applied across different items - like vegetable being a type and a category - it may just be easier to put them all together, yeah.

[kindred beacon]

me too! i tried to use the classifications in journal (Crops, sea critters, artisan products), but not all items are listed there usually the ones used for crafting - resource, equipment, decor etc. So it feels super inconsistent with what we list for the type param if some items follow journal category and others in in-game detail

but thanks for your input! we'll try out category for all of them o:

[kindred beacon]

Hello @sterile hatch! Is it possible to request for namespace shortcuts to be enabled? I'm not sure if that's the correct term, but for example it's typing C:Crops or U:NeonNautilus for category and user namespace respectively. I'm super spoiled from genshin wiki and I need to navigate to multiple namespaces/pages when updating stuff

[kindred beacon]

I added preloaders to make life easier for us when creating new pages 😄

Please feel free to create new preload templates and add them to the module!
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Module:Newarticletext/data
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Preload templates

[sterile hatch]

I'm not familiar with this feature. Where do you see it being used?

[kindred beacon]

In genshin wiki! Like this: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/C:Characters

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/T:Character Infobox

[sterile hatch]

I will look into it.

It doesn't seem to work in search, which is what I use to navigate 😦

[sterile hatch]

Okay, I found how to make these. What others do you want?

[sterile hatch]

I've made C:Category, F:File, M:Module, T:Template, and U:User

[fossil sluice]

if anyone needs the info i got a apple pie from Luke at 4 hearts (fall), Walter gave apple wine - 2 or 3 hearts also can be bought at the tavern 3,325 and apple jam - 4 hearts (fall)

[kindred beacon]

May I also ask for CIW for project namespace and CIMW for mediawiki?

[fossil sluice]

i have him at 3 hearts

[sterile hatch]

Done!

[kindred beacon]

thank you so much!!

[kindred beacon]

Hi @sterile hatch! Sorry for the ping again, but may I request for the extension Editcount to be enabled?
https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Edit_count

[mossy haven]

Who is the current admin of the wiki?

I would like to participate in the translation into another language (Russian)

[sterile hatch]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop

[sterile hatch]

Done!

[kindred beacon]

hi! what do you neeed help with?

thanks so much, moviesign!

@sterile hatch sorry again! May i poke you to give a bot flag to KuhlauBot? it's Kuhlau's Bot account! they just requested in my wall but I was hoping they will be able to use it sooner since we made so many categories today with Mike's updates, they do maintenance in the wiki! 😄

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/User:KuhlauBot

[sterile hatch]

Done!

[kindred beacon]

you're awesome, thank you so much!!!

[mossy haven]

Can we make Shared images(https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Shared_images) ?

[sterile hatch]

Have you created the RU wiki yet?

[mossy haven]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/ru/wiki/Кораловый_Остров_Вики Yep, tomorrow will continue to transfer, now I'm going to bed

[sterile hatch]

I'll see if I can get shared images set up.

[mossy haven]

Thanks!

[sterile hatch]

Shared images is set up and seems to be working. 🙂

[sterile hatch]

I fixed the interwiki links also so EN points to RU and ID and vice versa. There is no ES wiki yet, so I commented that out where I found it (because it breaks things).

[kindred beacon]

Hi @sterile hatch! We're updating template documentation. I can't edit this page, sadly. D: Can you please copy the contents from here:
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Scribunto-doc-page-show

to here: https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Scribunto-doc-page-show

[sterile hatch]

Done!

[kindred beacon]

thank you so much!!

[mossy haven]

I made a spelling mistake while creating the wiki and can't find how to fix it in the /f tab

By the way, my xbox game personally weighs 24GB, and the recommended ones are 8, it seems to me that it’s better to write a larger value on the wiki

[kindred beacon]

the /f tab is Discussions

[mossy haven]

I know

[kindred beacon]

Oh do you mean the name of the wiki itself needs fixing?

[mossy haven]

Коралловый it's correct

But you can see that the letter is missing on the right

[mossy haven]

Probably yes

[kindred beacon]

If you need the wiki itself renamed, maybe we can ping moviesign for it.

[mossy haven]

If he theoretically can do it, then I think we can leave it for later. I will continue to make content. But I hope I don't have to do it all over again because of one letter

[kindred beacon]

Oh, i don't think so! Genshin Impact wiki used to be called "Gensin Impact" xD

[mossy haven]

xD

[kindred beacon]

We just have weird URL for files though. I'm not sure if you will have the same case or it follows en

our files have the typo

[mossy haven]

What do you think about it?

[kindred beacon]

The listing we have in the wiki is for PC, I believe.

I'll check reqs in steam

[mossy haven]

I mean Xbox GamePass

On PC

[kindred beacon]

that's huge

I'm actually about 26GB too

I'll update

[mossy haven]

They also have very strange information about processors in steam

I added an intel analog to the recommended

Intel i7-7700/Ryzen 1700+

Because they only have a line of i7 processors, and not everyone is suitable there

[kindred beacon]

updating, thank you!

[kindred beacon]

does anyone know when avocado seedling is supposed to show up in sam's store? the unlock req in itemsengine is town rank C for the avocado itself, but no rank req for the seedling so it's currently being listed as E town req in sam's store

sorry i'm blind not trusting itemsengine

[nova flume]

Oop! Yeah, the unlocks for Sam's shop are in Shops -> AlphaV1 -> SamShopItems_AlphaV1, I think. Barring the bag upgrades at least.

[kindred beacon]

Ooooohhh

Thank you! I didn't know it was separate

[nova flume]

Mmhm! No problem!

[kindred beacon]

Hi @nova flume! Would you know how to interpret the info for concerned monkey's shop?
we have two pumpkin seeds with diff requirements. I'm unsure which one is correct

[nova flume]

I don't really. They are just listed twice. :'D I'm guessing at least one of them is a placeholder for something else later. Pretty sure we can't get the 'Craft all items at least once' one to trigger right now anyway.

[kindred beacon]

listed twice oh no

for now it's only listing the first instance of the seed in pumpkin page

but thanks nautilusss

[sterile hatch]

I think I can fix this, but I will have to temporarily rename any pages in the Кораловый_Остров_Вики: namespace

Should be fixed now

[mossy haven]

Thanks a lot!

[vapid aurora]

updated module to allow multiple sources from same shop

[vapid aurora]

i dont see any channel for suggestions to the discord server so i'll just put it here

could the wikibot be added

for comodity of referencing wiki

having to manually open the page and copypaste the link like: https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Apple is mega annoying, specially on mobile, bot allows to just do [[Apple]] and get the links

[kindred beacon]

Miiiiiike thank you!

I'll try asking modmail but I don't expect much

[vapid aurora]

"any insect"

"any edible ingredient"

[kindred beacon]

"any vegetable"

[kindred beacon]

does anyone know where the name 2 Parkview comes from?
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/2_Parkview

redirect Any X to group pages.

Listing items in group page [[Milk (group)]]
add in intro, "Milk, referred in-game as any milk..."

[vapid aurora]

"Any mayonnaise"
"Any fruit juice"
"Any butter"
"Any dried scavengeable"
"Any pickle"

[nova flume]

I feel like I saw it somewhere? But I can't remember where, sorry.

[kindred beacon]

Ohh no worries! we might have to reconsider naming them if it's hard to find them in-game

[nova flume]

Ahh. Yeah, 'Frank and Erika's house' would probably be more recognizable. :'D

And re: Fishensips vs Fishenships, I was using the version they put as the voice channel in here.

[kindred beacon]

OHH that's true! 😮 And in the textmap there's more instances of fishensips in dialogue too, so i moved it again!

[kindred beacon]

@nova flume do you need help with moving any more pages?

[nova flume]

I don't think so! Those were the only ones I noticed had capitalized names. :>

[kindred beacon]

Okay!!! Feel free to poke me if you don't wanna get rate limited I'd make you CM if I could sidfsdfsdf

[vapid aurora]

btw while you're here naut, do tell if you notice any error or have any suggestion for templates and stuff

been mainly communicating with nori but i see you're also editing a good amount lmao

[nova flume]

Will do! And thank you for everything you've been doing!

[vapid aurora]

also as a tangent, what do we think about auto formatting image redlinks?

the ones {{Icon}} at least

the same way the genshin wiki does it

[kindred beacon]

mike is awesome

if we can default to unknown that'd be great

if you'd like to have an alternative to batch uploading stuff, we use Wiki-Up: https://github.com/Aspallar/Wiki-Up/releases/tag/v1.17.1

You can add the summary from here too so you won't have to go one by one. Just need to make a bot password in [[Special:BotPasswords]]!

ah rip wiki bot.
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Special:BotPasswords

[vapid aurora]

/* To default redlink to [[File:Unknown.png]] */
span.custom-icon-image.hidden a.new {
    content: url(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/coralisland/images/d/dd/Unknown.png/revision/latest);
    width:25px;
    height:25px;
    font-size: 0;
    display: flex;
}

this would be for desktop

also nori

can you update icon css

change display of span.custom-icon to flex

current

[kindred beacon]

added!

[vapid aurora]

with css

[kindred beacon]

nice, we don't have to manually make redirects!!!

[vapid aurora]

page still gets categorized as "broken file link"

but display is usable

so we can still find missing images

and clicking the image doesnt take you to Unknown.png

it takes you to upload the wanted file

so its basically a fully cosmetic fix

the only issue is the file size

[kindred beacon]

it's so much better, we won't have to remove the redirect when image is up

oh why o:

[vapid aurora]

since you cant modify class values

we'd need to either stick to 25px

or have different classes for different sizes

lmao

[kindred beacon]

[vapid aurora]

this is why on genshin wiki its only used with card, as its a fixed size

regardless

we can live with just the default size of 25px for now

not much makes stuff bigger or smaller

but

[kindred beacon]

oh

[vapid aurora]

where that?

[kindred beacon]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Fruit_juice_(group)

[vapid aurora]

ok i see why

its due to using {{i}}

as its adding unintended styling

we really need to move away from using {{i}}

[kindred beacon]

I don't know why we have separate templates

[vapid aurora]

one for just image, and one for image+link

but it makes no sense

so im just gonna make {{icon}} default to having link

since that's 99% of usages

and have option to disable link

[kindred beacon]

ohhh that's why

yeah that'd be perfect

[vapid aurora]

add align-items: center; to that class too pls lmao

looks goofy otherwise kek

[kindred beacon]

added!

it's making new lines after?

mike, how to update categories that are created by {{Documentation}}?

[vapid aurora]

thats due to old module

[vapid aurora]

fixed

[kindred beacon]

i make the Templates here lowercase, right?

but i can't find templates with no documentation

[vapid aurora]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Module:Documentation/config

[kindred beacon]

ooh thanks!!

[kindred beacon]

omg i didn't know we also had two heart templates

[vapid aurora]

yea idk why

btw nori

can add you add a class

like

flex-cont

or smth

since just doing inline will break on mobile

just to add display:flex lmfao

you can add more if you want, like flex-col to have display:flex; flex-direction:column; or smth

[kindred beacon]

okay!

i have no idea about the diff flexes i'll see if gi has it

[vapid aurora]

pretty sure we dont

[kindred beacon]

oh

[vapid aurora]

at least im not aware of any

btw

[kindred beacon]

i only added the two you mentioned, but reading up on the others

[vapid aurora]

are you able to use the massnulledit js?

i imported it but its not showing lmao

where's my stuff fandom

[kindred beacon]

oh it's showing up now

but when i first imported it it took a while to show up

i know you should have Mass Null Edit in the side bar though

right under the discord invite

[vapid aurora]

nope

[kindred beacon]

oh rip

mike, how do I remove the text link from {{Icon}}?

so i can hide it in the tables

Oh is this an instance of the 25px you mentioned?

[vapid aurora]

for coin use {{g}}

for heath use {{health}} and for energy use {{energy}}

with the amount as first param

to autoformat

made them for convenience

aside from these three cases

|notext=1

removes the default link

[kindred beacon]

Okay! Thank youuuu

[vapid aurora]

could anyone find a better resolution for https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/File:Townies_mainico.png?

its 50px instead of 128px like the rest of mainico

[nova flume]

The 52px version is the only one I could find, sorry.

[nova flume]

How's this one work for you? I drew over it. Close enough?

[vapid aurora]

nori just made one a while ago lmao

but thanks anyway

[nova flume]

Ah. Sorry then. :'D And thank you, Noriiii.

[sterile hatch]

Let me know if you want to test the Thanks extension
https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Brandon_Rhea/Technical_Updates:_June_2,_2023

[vapid aurora]

for the record, https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Chat has been updated to be properly flexible in use and display properly on pages

this comes with an update to both its syntax and usage

player dialogue must now be represented as {{chat|Player|<player dialogue>}} or as {{chat|Player|<player dialogue>|choice=1}} when its a dialogue choice

the usage of |answer= is now deprecated and will add a category if ever used, aside from displaying nothing

aside from chat, now dialogue blocks must be prepended by https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Dialogue_start and appended by https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Dialogue_end

with each line of dialogue in the block being prepended by a colon, with multiple colon marking branching dialogue (see https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Ben/Events for an example)

dialogue notes that are not in-game text must be noted as such by encasing them in parenthesis and prepending them with a semicolon

as an example:

;(The event starts as the player passes through the forest.)
:{{chat|Ben|Umm...}}
:{{chat|Bree|What are these nonsense that Luke said about you not making it to ''my'' dinner party tonight?}}
:{{chat|Player|Can I join you guys?}}
:{{chat|Bree|Of course! Where do you want to go?}}
:{{chat|Player|The beach!|choice=1}}
::{{Chat|Ben|<this is text from branch 1 only>}}
:{{chat|Player|The forest!|choice=1}}
::{{Chat|Ben|<this is text from branch 2 only>}}
:{{Chat|Ben|<this is text that happens after the exclusive text from a branch>}}
{{Dialogue end}}```
which displays as:

[unkempt zodiac]

This looks great!

I have a question about the Gift Prefs template: when you fill this template for a character, there are categories for individual items that a character has preferences over, and then there's categories for groups of items. It looks like there's a formatting issue where tables where there's both items and groups of items has a spacing problem, and the first item group appears on the same line as the last individual item:

Is this a known issue? I was checking the templates for gift prefs, but wasn't familiar enough with the code to try to fix it myself

[vapid aurora]

fixed

[unkempt zodiac]

Thank you so much!! 🙂

[vapid aurora]

so im trynna make a template for recipes, but wanna figure out the main display first, how's this?

[unkempt zodiac]

Would it make sense to include the name of the final result and the cooking method, or potentially make them clickable? (I don't know if this info would already be included elsewhere. If it is, then I like the simplicity that you already have)

[vapid aurora]

the final result is the page it currently is in

so i dont think there's a need to include the name

max it'd have is an amount

as for the cooking method, ig the thing's name could be added below the image or smth

[unkempt zodiac]

That makes sense! And that could help, yeah; I know when I was starting out I was confused about how to get anything made, since I didn't know I needed specific utensils or how to identify which ones I needed

[vapid aurora]

or would the middle part be better without bg

e.g.,

hmmmmmmmm

[unkempt zodiac]

Out of these three, I'm vaguely leaning more towards the one without the bg because the bg makes it look like the middle one is highlighted

(I like the qty in the lower right btw)

[vapid aurora]

ig this one does it for desktop then

now to try to translate this into column for mobile lmao

[unkempt zodiac]

Best of luck, there 😂 👌

[vapid aurora]

just so i dont lose it, desktop css:

.ci-recipe-wrapper {
    display: flex;
    align-items: center;
    width: fit-content;
    position: relative;
    gap: 5px;
}
.ci-recipe-medium {
    border: 1px solid rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb), 0.5);
    border-radius: 5px;
    padding: 3px;
    position: relative;
    text-align: center;
    font-weight: 500;
}
.ci-recipe-ingredient {
    border: 1px solid rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb), 0.5);
    border-radius: 3px;
    padding: 5px;
    margin-right: 6px;
}
.ci-recipe-medium::after {
    border: 1px solid rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb));
    background-color: rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb));
    border-radius: 3px;
    width: 5px;
    height: 5px;
    content: "";
    position: absolute;
    right: -8px;
    top: 50%;
}
.ci-recipe-medium::before {
    border: 1px solid rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb));
    background-color: rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb));
    border-radius: 3px;
    width: 5px;
    height: 5px;
    content: "";
    position: absolute;
    left: -8px;
    top: 50%;
}
.ci-recipe-yield {
    border: 1px solid rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb), 0.5);
    border-radius: 3px;
    padding: 8px;
    margin-left: 6px;
    position: relative;
}
.ci-recipe-yield-amount {
    background: rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb), 0.3);
    width: fit-content;
    border-radius: 3px;
    padding: 0 5px;
    position: absolute;
    bottom:0;
    right:0;
}

[unkempt zodiac]

I have a question about some broken links: when you look at the recipes page, there's recipes that can go for multiple items of the same category. (eg Any Milk). The current way of handling this is to make redirect pages so that this link clicks through to the nearest relevant page, aka 'milk'.
This example works well because there's an actual 'Milk' page to redirect to. Assuming that there's a place to go for all the categories like this, do we want to do this in all cases? (The alternative would be to not link to 'Any Milk', but instead say 'Milk|Any Milk'

[vapid aurora]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[unkempt zodiac]

IIRC, redirect pages involve making a page that has a line of code on it that redirects the user to the actual destination page. This kind of thing is particularly useful if there's common misspellings, but can involve creating a lot of pages in the end. For cases like 'Any Milk', we actually already know exactly where to go, it's just that we want different text in the link. That said, we've already made a good start using this method (butter, mayonnaise, and milk already do it), and it would be way,way simpler to just make redirects instead of editing every instance on the site that currently leads to 'Any [item]'

[vapid aurora]

[[Milk]] is an actual and specific item, linking the intended use of "Any item categorized as milk" to that page would be like a link in wikipedia that reads "rock" linking to a very specific type of rock

groups of items should be treated as types of items

just as the game does

they have specific icons in many cases

[unkempt zodiac]

This is true, yeah; in Milk's case, there's actually a page currently written for Milk as a general category too, though

[vapid aurora]

yes, but its Milk (group)

not just Milk

its just the unfortunate that the group of X is called the same as one of the group

[unkempt zodiac]

That makes sense! What about the method for linking to it, though? Like--using a redirect page VS linking directly to the Milk (group) page?

[vapid aurora]

depends on what you're using it from

normally the prefered method is just doing [[any milk]]

as that is 1. how the game writes it, and 2. just a redirect so there's no need for link labels

and it is just what {{icon}} does

if you use it as {{icon|any fish}} it'll link to [[any fish]] which is a redirect, and use the group's special icon

e.g.,

[unkempt zodiac]

This makes sense, yeah! The issue is that Any Fish (along with about 15 categories) are leading to broken links, which is why they're showing up as red. I'm looking for how to go about linking them to something so they actually lead somewhere, and it sounds like the best thing to do would be to make more redirects 🙂

[vapid aurora]

yea

but first need to make sure the group pages exist

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah,that was the next thing I was thinking about

It looks like there's a section for Fruits (kinda) on the Fruit Trees page, but fruits as a product of fruit trees could probably also use its own thing. I'll poke at it and see if I come up with anything, and try and not fall down any rabbit holes 😂

[nova flume]

'Fruits' can fall under any type of crop or scavengeable though, they aren't limited to produce from fruit trees.

[unkempt zodiac]

Aah, good point 🤔

For example, strawberries

[vapid aurora]

yea thats why they need to be their own thing

there's also the more egregious item groups

like "edible ingredient"

like what is that even supposed to mean

like 99% of items in the game

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah I saw that one 😂 That one looks like a nightmare, I'm tempted to say we should just remove that one's link and leave the player up to their own devices

[vapid aurora]

i mean

it depends on if the game literally just means "edible"

bc if so

we have a category just for that

so it wouldnt be hard

but what does really fall under it

unless the game code has that kind of groups somewhere

it'll be forever a mistery

[nova flume]

It does seem to be like. 99% of edible things.

Last time I looked, it was just a massive list on the recipe file. Iiii couldn't be bothered to go through the whole thing. :'D

[vapid aurora]

kinda leaning towards just this for mobile

compact, and allows for ingredients to just go on

[unkempt zodiac]

Question: Do I need to get a decompiler to look through the game code for things like raw item lists? Or is there a place I can look and it'll just open?

[vapid aurora]

you do need one afaik

[unkempt zodiac]

Alas 😂 Thanks regardless!

[vapid aurora]

but its not entirely hard

the game files are just a complete mess

bc its unreal engine

so finding things is the hard thing

bc its all over the place

[vapid aurora]

meaning:

[unkempt zodiac]

I'm looking at the new https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Flour_(group) page, and I'm trying to figure out why Rice flour won't show up on it 🤔 Am I missing a tag somewhere?

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Flour It feels like it should have something to do with this page, but I've added rice to it now. Maybe it's taking time to digest this?

[kindred beacon]

Oh you'll need to make sure that the category exists for rice flour.

And yes! You might need to purge it

[unkempt zodiac]

I'm not sure I've purged anything before! 😮 What page would I purge?

oooh actually I gave it a try

[kindred beacon]

Whichever page isn't loading the list. DPL sometimes needs a purge for it. It's showing up now!

[unkempt zodiac]

It's fixed now!

[kindred beacon]

yay!

[unkempt zodiac]

Excellent 😄 Thank you!!!

[kindred beacon]

And we're trying to move away from manual categories (adding the categories at the end of the page) because it's harder to maintain. Infobox should have category creation, in this instance, please use item_group in the item's infobox. Thank youuuuu

I didn't realize there were more "Any" pages

Which makes sense because I was only making from offerings page xD

[vapid aurora]

could anyone get this icon?

[unkempt zodiac]

Unfortunately there's abput 13 'Any' category pages still pending, even after the two I just added 😂 👌

(There's no reason not to have 'Any fish' redirect to the regular Fish page, right?)

[kindred beacon]

yeah, it should always be the group page!

[unkempt zodiac]

Nah, I mean the main fish page, rather than a specific Fish group page! https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Fish

Unless the answer was 'actually please make it redirect to a separate fish group page'

[vapid aurora]

yes there is, 1. consistency, and 2. the fish page is more about fishes as a mechanic than as a group of items

[kindred beacon]

uploaded under Crafting.png

[vapid aurora]

why no mainico lmao

[unkempt zodiac]

Aaah ok, I'll undo the redirect to the main fish page then

Or rather, make it redirect to the right place and work on that

[kindred beacon]

what mainico

[vapid aurora]

[kindred beacon]

moved!

[unkempt zodiac]

Question: If black honey does not count as honey for cooking, does that mean it shouldn't go into the 'Any Honey' category?

[kindred beacon]

Oh it's not considered a honey even in files too, if I understood this correctly (Halp, Nautilus! )

But if ever it wasconsidered a honey in terms of gifting or somewhere else, it should still be added but have a note in the group page that X isn't considered honey for recipes.

I think we're moving all Any X recipes to the group pages so can have the note there

[nova flume]

Yeah, it looks like it's considered honey for gifting, but nothing else.

[kindred beacon]

ooh thank you!!

[unkempt zodiac]

Oooh, okay; does this mean it should go on the Honey (Group) page? I've already added notes about its non-usability for cooking on both the individual honey pages and the main honey page

[nova flume]

I think having it on the group page with notes is fine, yeah. :>
It can't be used as a honey for cooking or crafting, I think - I believe there's honey crafting recipes now too.

Which makes it very silly to have on the any honey icon, but here we are. :'D

[unkempt zodiac]

Ooh, interesting! Note to self, get some black honey to test this so I can add this to the details 😂 👌 And yeah, it's a very odd little exception

It kind of lends some context to why it was the fancy honey needed for the bundles, though

[vapid aurora]

so how's it looking?

[nova flume]

Oooh! I think it looks great!

[vapid aurora]

on mobile:

@kindred beacon can you add this as https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/mediaWiki:Recipe.css and import to both mobile and pc pls

/* Containers for general layout */
.ci-recipe-wrapper {
    display: flex;
    width: fit-content;
    position: relative;
    gap: 7px;
}
.ci-recipe-wrapper-second {
    display: flex;
    flex-direction: column;
    align-items: center;
    width: fit-content;
    position: relative;
    gap: 7px;
}

/* List of ingredients */
.ci-recipe-ingredient {
    border: 1px solid rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb), 0.5);
    border-radius: 3px;
    padding: 5px;
    min-height: 100%;
}

/* Method of crafting or cooking */
.ci-recipe-medium {
    border: 1px solid rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb), 0.5);
    border-radius: 5px;
    position: relative;
    text-align: center;
    font-weight: 500;
    width: 100%;
    padding: 8px;
}
.ci-recipe-timed {
    padding-bottom: 25px;
}
.ci-recipe-medium::after {
    border: 1px solid rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb));
    background-color: rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb));
    border-radius: 3px;
    width: 5px;
    height: 5px;
    content: "";
    position: absolute;
    top: 50%;
    left: -7px;
}
.ci-recipe-medium::before {
    border: 1px solid rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb));
    background-color: rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb));
    border-radius: 3px;
    width: 5px;
    height: 5px;
    content: "";
    position: absolute;
    bottom: -7px;
    right: 50%;
}


/* Final product */
.ci-recipe-yield {
    border: 1px solid rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb), 0.5);
    border-radius: 3px;
    padding: 8px;
    position: relative;
    width: 100%;
}
.ci-recipe-yield-amount {
    background: rgba(var(--theme-accent-color--rgb), 0.3);
    width: fit-content;
    border-radius: 3px;
    padding: 0 5px;
    position: absolute;
    bottom: 0;
    right: 0;
}

[kindred beacon]

added!!!

[vapid aurora]

nori

you added it wrong on desktop

lmao

missing the MediaWiki:

[kindred beacon]

LMAO i'm distracted, my mom's calling me

[vapid aurora]

give me admin so i can just do all this myself when

[unkempt zodiac]

Question: Daffodil, Cherry, Tea Berry, Fig, all coconuts are all noted in my game as being 'Savangeable', and eggplant is noted as 'vegetable'. There's probably a few others as well, but for the sake of checkng: is there info in the game files that would support these being on the wiki in the Fruit category, or was this probably a mistake?

[vapid aurora]

in what universe is an eggplant a fruit

[unkempt zodiac]

I don't know 😂

[vapid aurora]

Knowing this wiki, it is 90% probably just a "copypasted page for format and forgor to update properly"

[unkempt zodiac]

I was wondering about that, but then I thought about how black honey is in that odd position where it counts as honey for some applications only 🤔

[nova flume]

Daffodil is probably an error. Cherry, tea berry, fig, coconuts, black beauty eggplants are all considered fruits. Crop eggplant is vegetable.

Internally, it looks like this:

[unkempt zodiac]

Thank you! Would it be possible to check chestnuts too, as well as rose hip?

[nova flume]

This is gold quality crop eggplant. There's a gift category and a list of additional tags a thing can have.

One moment!

Also fruits!

[kindred beacon]

LMAO i did the crime

[unkempt zodiac]

Excellent, thank you again! 💖

[vapid aurora]

ok so, final check-in, this is the final difference in recipe format

if anyone wants to go ahead and start updating pages with new template to get the categories and such up and running then that'd be nice

but its 6am for me and im hella sleepy so thats as far as i'll go today

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Recipe for reference

[kindred beacon]

omg 6am

is that the format even with desktop?

[vapid aurora]

yes

planning to make multiple recipes flex together to save space

on desktop

e.g.,

instead of

[kindred beacon]

ah but that is diff when listing which recipes you can use the item on like craft usage?

[vapid aurora]

yea

craft usage would just take all info, sort, and display what's available

but that i'll need to figure out later on

[unkempt zodiac]

It looks like the groupings of insects in the 'Insects' category is breaking the Insects (group) table a bit ( https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Insect_(group)); I suspect to fix it we'd need to either remove those broader categories from 'Insects' as a category, or find a way to fix the template

[kindred beacon]

hmmm i think the stuff side by side is kinda hard to read, but maybe I just need to warm up to it

but you should slep, mike!!!!

you did so much today!! thank youuuu!!

[vapid aurora]

that was just a misnamed parameter in the dpl

fixed now

[unkempt zodiac]

Ooh, thank you!!

Ok, that's the last of the 'Any [category]' groups on the cooking page! ... Except for 'Any edible ingredient', because I'm more or less in the camp of 'this probably shouldn't be a link', unless we plan to make a category that encompasses all edible items in the game 😂

....... damn, I probably could've just used the 'Bee House' category to populate the 'Honey (group)' page instead of making the 'honey' one 😬

............... holy cow, there actually already is a category for edible ingredients

Ok, all 'any [item]' categories for that page have now been created!

[kindred beacon]

Oh, this is the right way to go!! No worries! 😄

It should show up in their infobox too!

[kindred beacon]

there's one for "Consumables" too but I'm not sure where that's used

[vapid aurora]

Just noticed that we don't have a link label template

[kindred beacon]

Mike, is this normal if doc doesn't exist?

[vapid aurora]

Wdym?

[kindred beacon]

the infobox item at the top right

[vapid aurora]

Link pls

[kindred beacon]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_item

[vapid aurora]

It's bc Infobox is not in includeonly

[kindred beacon]

ahhhh

yay fixed

[vapid aurora]

Nori can you import the doc css on mobile too

[kindred beacon]

oh sure

[vapid aurora]

Also on this, can a list of suffixes we would want removed be made

[kindred beacon]

flower
group
character
game
item
artisan product
cooked dish

are the thingsd we have in () so far

[vapid aurora]

link label template made

[vapid aurora]

small update

repeated calls of {{Icon}} are bad as each call is a new invokation of Lua, and that stacks up very quickly

so i've made{{Icon list}} to solve this issue

so now instead of doing
{{Icon|Almond}}{{Icon|Apple}}{{Icon|Bread}}{{Icon|Canola}}{{Icon|Coconut}}{{Icon|Lemon}}{{Icon|Olive}}{{Icon|Tortilla}}{{Icon|Turnip}}{{Icon|Violet}}
it should be
{{Icon list|Almond;Apple;Bread;Canola;Coconut;Lemon;Olive;Tortilla;Turnip;Violet}}

this also comes with some comodities as universal default settings, with local overrides and keyword shortcuts

e.g., {{Icon list|Almond;Apple;Bread;Canola*69/4;Coconut;Lemon*3;Olive;Tortilla;Turnip/1;Violet|notext=1|quality=3|size=35}}

here you have notext=1 as universal, meaning that all the icons will have the default link disabled, a default quality of 3, all the icons except Canola and Turnip (as those have 4 and 1 as quality, respectively) will show as quality 3, and all the icons will be at a size of 35px, and canola and lemon will have appended amounts of 69 and 3, respectively

resulting in:

to simplify usage across lists, this follows the same formatting as {{Offering}} and {{Recipe}}

so that lists can be directly copypasted between sources if necessary, and only 1 system of keywords and parameters needs to be learnt

see https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Icon_list for written documentation on how to use

[kindred beacon]

Do you think there is a way of improving cpu time here, Mike? https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Gift_preferences

[vapid aurora]

i am editing it rn lmao

[kindred beacon]

oh thanks!

[vapid aurora]

its the main reason i made this

[kindred beacon]

OH

[vapid aurora]

bc page was taking a whapping 4s to load

and was like, how about no

its still not all that much better, as its abusing calling some templates like fifty million times

but at least the lua side of things is removed from equation

current page's lua usage

its over double lmfao

[kindred beacon]

damn mike always so satisfying when we get rid of so many bytes

[vapid aurora]

most of that was nautilus just yeeting the outdated table

[kindred beacon]

OH i didn't even notice naut.

[vapid aurora]

ehe

[kindred beacon]

oh they lost the label before this that says what kind of reaction they give for each list

[vapid aurora]

yea im adding it

ok so format is a bit friked on mobile

but its due to icon list being set to infoicon

for no reason

but whatever

changed it

will take a while to take effect

[kindred beacon]

is that template data shenanigans?

i mean type*

all those bytes

[vapid aurora]

yes, as always

Due to template getting set to infoicon by default, it overrides any and all mobile styling and just returns these ugly and useless and incredibly small icons

it also removed links and text and all

its so incredibly usless

[sterile hatch]

Yeah, change that template type to design, or something else appropriate.

Also note that Images that are 50 pixels or smaller will automatically be resized to icons.

[vapid aurora]

That is already taken care of by [[module:icon]]

[vapid aurora]

@nova flume notice templates go at the very top of the page, above everything execept page tabs

e.g., {{charbuttons}} {{stub}} {{infobox}}

[nova flume]

Ahh, okay. Sorry, sorry.

[kindred beacon]

the mos actually lists them at the bottom

which is why ive been doing that too, but it's really all over the place

naut most likely just followed my edits too

[vapid aurora]

first time im hearing about this wiking having a MoS lmao

but that should be changed

tangent, this is now a thing

can someone make the pages and add the recipes for the chests? they all redirect to [[Crafting]] so cant replace this table

[unkempt zodiac]

I'd offer, but it looks like Nautilus is on it!

(Also I'd need to get on it tonight, and can't do it sooner 😂 )

[vapid aurora]

is fine

well anyway

wanted to update [[Crafting]] to use the automated tables

but

most of the items listed either dont use {{recipe}} yet, or just dont have a page at all

so itll have to wait

if anyone can try to make them that'd be appreciated

so we can start automating stuff

i'll replace only the tables that have all items available for now

[unkempt zodiac]

That makes sense! Just to make sure I get what's needed, what we want is to make sure that all crafted items have the How To Obtain section no longer have a table in the source code, and instead include a {{Recipe}} section that's something like the hay chest has?

|items = Hay*20;Wood*30
}}```

[kindred beacon]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Coral_Island_Wiki:Manual_of_Style
Yeah this is pretty outdated, and I disagree that people use cats to navigate

Viewing a page like https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Vegetables is so useless, you don't even know which ones are for the season you want

[vapid aurora]

"articles with consistency and organization"

Gurl where

[kindred beacon]

we're getting there

[vapid aurora]

Also, lovely red and green sis

[unkempt zodiac]

I wonder why it doesn't show up on your screen 😂 It's there on mine

[vapid aurora]

Mobile

Must be a class for the css to exist on mobile

This is why I've been removing all the hellish inline css templates

Bc they just don't work on mobile

[unkempt zodiac]

That must be it, yeah; I have no idea what breaks on mobile vs PC, but as far as I can tell this makes sense 😂

[vapid aurora]

Yes, this also includes items "crafted" in the farm kitchen

So basically anything that is "x+y in T gives z" needs to have the recipe template

[kindred beacon]

are you already horizontal or you just checked mobile?

[vapid aurora]

I'm on my phone lmao

[unkempt zodiac]

Ok! I'll see if I can help with this 👌 There's no other changes needed while I"m doing this, the infoboxes already have the necessary categories, it looks like?

[vapid aurora]

Normally, yes

[kindred beacon]

do we want the recipe/crafting in infobox?

[vapid aurora]

The Infobox situation is still a WIP

[kindred beacon]

ah

[vapid aurora]

Personally I dont

Like, recipe in Infobox is just a bit awkward

Specially if stuff can get multiple recipes

Which is a possibility

[kindred beacon]

Would be hard to maintain two sources of info too

[vapid aurora]

Even more bc the Infobox one is fully manual lmfao

[kindred beacon]

mike i think this is too big, especially for a stroke weight that heavy

will make it 40

[unkempt zodiac]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Vortexanator_I everything in the Explosives crafting type is currently part of the Bombs category via [[Category:Bombs]] at the bottom; I'm trying to add it in the info box to Bombs, or Explosives, or anything, but it doesn't look like the type exists yet

[vapid aurora]

Yea, currently only some specific types are accepted by the infobox

Which is

Not ideal

At all

Ideally it should just be a plain input that just auto formats into both link and category, but first we need to make sure all the Infoboxes have the proper inputs as to have a good precedent and reference

Aka, all the inputs of X type with the same wording and capitalization

[unkempt zodiac]

That makes sense!

[vapid aurora]

"resources" having 3 accepted inputs is just Not It™️

[unkempt zodiac]

Should I ignore the categories/types for now, then? I'd be easiest to be able to fix it while I'm also fixing the recipes box, and I'm considering leaving these for when the categories/types are ready

[vapid aurora]

The categories themselves already exist, what needs to happen rn is standardization of usage

So if you can update those as you go, all the better

[unkempt zodiac]

The category exists, yeah, and it looks like all the bombs are tagged correctly at a quick glance!

[vapid aurora]

E.g., any page with type=resource or type=resources should be updated to type=resource processing

What also needs standardization

[unkempt zodiac]

The issue is that the bomb items all have [[Category:Bombs]] at the bottom and no mention of category in the infobox

[vapid aurora]

Is category naming

[unkempt zodiac]

They're standard. They're just wrong 😂

I don't know what the right one to use is

Like--I don't know how to move the Bomb category at the bottom into a bomb type in the infobox because I don't know what the infobox type category they should have is

[vapid aurora]

No I mean that some things using equipment Infobox have "category:X equipment" while others are just "category:X"

Need to decide on either format and update any that differs

[unkempt zodiac]

Ok; do you know what I should do with the bombs, in this case?

[vapid aurora]

Add "bombs" as type in Infobox and remove the manual category

But wait

How does game call them

Bomb or explosive

Bc if possible we should follow ingame namings

[unkempt zodiac]

I currently have 'bombs' typed in for the infobox type, but it comes out as Unknown

[kindred beacon]

Should this use the new Infobox item/Draft?

That's where I'll be moving everything anyway

[vapid aurora]

Yea that's fine, just need to update the Infobox, the important thing is that the article has the proper usage already reflected

[vapid aurora]

Is it ready for use?

[kindred beacon]

Yeah I've been adapting pages who use infobox item with it

[unkempt zodiac]

Aah ok, in other words make the correct changes now and the infobox will be updated later? That should be ok, then

[vapid aurora]

Yea

It's the beauty of templates

[kindred beacon]

I kept the type param for the cat they show up as in-game

then everthing else can just be under category

[unkempt zodiac]

Excellent! Also, before I start making changes to all of them: The category they're currently added to is called 'Bombs', and the group they're in on the Craftables page is 'Explosives'; do we care which one I use?

[vapid aurora]

Yes, we should stick with one wording

Also, about the Infobox, if the Infobox item draft is usable, then try to update the pages to use it, although this will take a bit longer since params differ

[unkempt zodiac]

It sounds like I should use 'Bombs' and ignore the 'Explosives' heading on the Craftables page, then 👌

This is what I'm asking, which one I should use 😂

[vapid aurora]

Whichever the game uses lmao

[unkempt zodiac]

I don't know what's in the game files, unfortunately, and the info that the game displays on the menu doesn't always match what I assume is in the files; it definitely doesn't for the fruits, at least

In my game, Coconuts all show on the item screen menu as Scavangeable, but it sounds like there's something in the background that classifies them as fruit

[vapid aurora]

No I mean like in just normal gameplay

What do the descriptions say, is there any visible type, how are they mentioned as

That kinda thing

Internal naming is only a last resort

Stuff that the common player can understand and see on their own game is much preferred

[vapid aurora]

Those kinda things are also figurable through the "any X" recipes, so its not purely obtianable through datamining

But yes, those kind of things that are not immediately obvious and fall more under technicalities you can just ignore for the most part

[unkempt zodiac]

It looks like my game calls all of the explosives and vortexnators 'Bombs', so I think I'll use that; is the type case sensitive?

[vapid aurora]

Yes, but it should always be in sentence case

The first letter is not case sensitive, but it should be inputted as capital for proper display

[unkempt zodiac]

Ok!

[unkempt zodiac]

@kindred beacon I wasn't sure what to say was upcoming on the Vortexanator III's page or not, tbh 🤔 I currently have a few in my inventory as a gift from overachieving with the museum, but I'm not a high enough level with the right skill to see whether it's craftable yet

Is the 'upcoming' tag something we should put up even when it's just parts of the content that isn't available?

[kindred beacon]

OH It didn't have any other source so I assumed it's not available in game.

It shouldn't have upcoming if we can access it somehow in game, yeah

mb!!!

[unkempt zodiac]

It's all good! ✨ I wasn't sure whether ot add the museum as a source to the infobox, so I settled for adding it as a line at the bottom of the 'how to obtain' section 😂 👌

[kindred beacon]

i didn't read

[unkempt zodiac]

It's all good!

[unkempt zodiac]

Btw, I was noticing that the Scents are classified as Consumables in my game; should I move them from the 'Baits and Scents' section to the 'Consumables' section of the Crafting page?

[nova flume]

I guess? I just put them together because they had similar functions.

[unkempt zodiac]

That makes sense, yeah!

Conceptually they go hand in hand

[kindred beacon]

@vapid aurora Could we please add the category Crafted items to pages that use the Recipe template?

[kindred beacon]

Hi @nova flume! Would you know why Bat Wing and other loot items are considered a resource?

Can only see the cat "Loot" for them o:

[nova flume]

Because I didn't know where else to put them that could be easily found. :'D And they go towards a handful of recipes, so... It was kind of a 'Close enough for now.'

[kindred beacon]

Ahh no worries! I'll remove for now if you don't mind, we'll find a home for them where they can be found easily soon enough!

[nova flume]

Sure, sure! That's fine. :>

[vapid aurora]

done

[kindred beacon]

Thank you!

[vapid aurora]

@nova flume is the "sprinkler attachment C" mentioned in https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Museum just the https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Auto_fertilizer ?

or is it some random placeholder item

[nova flume]

It became Auto S&F.

[vapid aurora]

kewl

will update table then

[sage wing]

I couldn't get into the blossom festival shop at the top, is that normal? It shows in the wiki, but there's stuff that is released that is not in the wiki, so idk what to think.

The ocean cave is not described in any way in the wiki for example, though it may not be fully developed, I only went through about 10 rooms before getting bored and leaving.

[unkempt zodiac]

NGL, I hadn't actually realized the ocean cave was open yet 😂

(Btw, as a general heads up for the crafting page: it looks like the Hay decor is no longer on the decor table, though I think it was yesterday or so. I know we've been doing some remodelling to the templates and background, and I wanted to ask if there was something for them that I could help fix?)

[vapid aurora]

its not on the table bc they are not categorized as decor

meaning, the pages dont have that category

added the type to the infobox categorization

now they show

[unkempt zodiac]

Thank you!!

[vapid aurora]

which this shows

that most of the decor was using a different infobox

which should probably be changed

[unkempt zodiac]

Do you know which one is the right one? I see some are using Infobox_equipment, and the hay ones are using Infobox_item/draft

[vapid aurora]

item draft is the goal

as to merge all the various infoboxes

also a tangent, please make sure that template names do not include underscores

like, in the page code

[unkempt zodiac]

That makes sense! And no worries, I don't think I know templates well enough to make any 😂 👌

[vapid aurora]

No, I mean when using them on pages, to not invoke them like {{Infobox_item/Draft

And the first letter should be capital always

{{infobox item/Draft is also bad

Only cases where it can be lowercase is with shorthand templates

E.g., {{g}}

[unkempt zodiac]

Aaah okay, this is good clarification! I'll make sure to avoid that, and if I see it around I'll try to correct it ✨

[kindred beacon]

Hi! Sorry about that, we try to mark stuff that may not be accessible or upcoming so it's clear for players, but we may sometimes fall short on this. I don't remember being able to visit the shop in my first year, but I'm in spring and can check soon, unless someone else can confirm!

And a lot of things are missing or not up to date in the wiki, still, because we're a very small team. We need all the help we can get! Please feel free to make edits as you see fit, and poke us here if you have any questions with editing. We're here to help each other out

[nova flume]

Huh... The blossom festival shop was working during beta, I thought. Maybe it broke somehow in the push to live? I haven't heard or been in-game to check myself - and I don't know where to look file-wise to see if it's been disabled in there.

[kindred beacon]

oh i can access it

did we have this in 0.3 too?

my memory's so bad xD

[nova flume]

The shop's been there but it used to just have a couple of outdoor furniture pieces for, like, a flat 1000c. These items were added in 0.4, I'm pretty sure.

[kindred beacon]

changelist timeeee

[sage wing]

I appreciate you

[vapid aurora]

first, if anyone has some free time and wants to help, pages in https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Artisan_products also need to use {{recipe}}, as {{Artisan product by category table}} should eventually be updated to use {{recipes by category table}} to keep things consistent
and the other thing, @nova flume can you confirm if the calculations from https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Quality_price/artisan are correct? seeing that it doesnt really match the values on a few artisan products

[kindred beacon]

Artisan is in a weird spot, I think Naut said last time it seems it's based on input price than base? but it was a pain in the butt having to double check if it was calculated correctly when i was updating artisan products, so i just wrote each quality out lol

[vapid aurora]

wdym input price

ah you mean for the base product?

[kindred beacon]

often there was gonna be at least one quality that's diff from the calculated price

yeah

[nova flume]

^ Mmhm.

So like, the price of Bronze Grape Juice comes from the price of Bronze Grapes rather than the price of Base Grape Juice. And Bronze Grape Wine a multiplier based on Bronze Grape Juice.

It'd maybe go towards explaining why the quality price formula is fine for crops/scavengeables/etc but gets progressively less accurate the more processed an item is - it isn't accounting for any rounding that's already being done.

And the multiplier doesn't seem to be universal across all types of process - honeys look to be 3x the flower, flours are 2x the grain, both rounded to the nearest 5.

[nova flume]

Oh, apparently it's more fun: Planted flowers (blue dahlia, daisy, sunflower, ect.) make honey that is 3x the flower price. Foraged flowers (violets, canola, hibiscus, etc) are 2x the flower price.
Black honeys are 6x the flower - only titan arum and rafflesia right now.
All honeys are still rounded to the nearest 5.

[kindred beacon]

oh my god

[weary bear]

Hi, idk if I'm even allowed to post here since I'm not a contributor, so i'm real sorry if I shouldn't be here but I wanted to ask... Any reason why the VoirBot decided to remove every single recorded heart event from most character pages in the wiki?

[nova flume]

Ahhh... Looks like the system for displaying them is being updated and some things got missed. I'll get it cleaned up asap. Sorry about that!

[weary bear]

It's all good! Was legit just curious if something was getting overhauled or there was wrong information that needed to get taken down. Thank you for the response, good luck with the wiki

[vapid aurora]

it wasnt exactly removed, but as we move towards automation we need to give the incentive for information maintenance, so the automated table was applied universally, and if any event was missing, it'd have to be properly added on the events page, which would not be hard as the heart events' information is still easily accessible in page history

[kindred beacon]

Henlo naut! I added the category making to the tabs so we don't have to add them at the bottom anymore I'll remove the categories from the existing pages!

@vapid aurora miiike the hearts don't all show up in the heart events by character template on mobile

the icons are so pretty now though

[vapid aurora]

thats due to template type again

[kindred beacon]

rip

[vapid aurora]

anything with this must be changed to design or smth

[kindred beacon]

oof i'll go dig!

[unkempt zodiac]

Yooo, adoption went through!

[kindred beacon]

yes!!! yayy!!!

[cobalt veldt]

hey guys, how can i put icons side by side on tables? Ive been trying, but they are showing one on top of the other

[kindred beacon]

are you trying to put the hearts next to each other?

[cobalt veldt]

something like that. Im on a sandbox wiki page that i made to test templates and create new things, but im stuck on this things

trying to learn how to make things like we have in our wiki, to other projects

[kindred beacon]

oh, there's an inline option in icon list. (Thought heart2, a diff template, was just implemented differently)

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Icon_list

So something like {{Icon list|Eva;Alice|inline=1}}
Add notext=1 if you don't want the link

[cobalt veldt]

thank you!

[vapid aurora]

no it wasnt?

its also just inline=1 lmao

[kindred beacon]

lmao it was a skill issue, i didn't see inline when i first looked, and documentation of icon list didnt have it

[kindred beacon]

@vapid aurora sorry mike, the heart icons are acting funny

[vapid aurora]

fixed

it was issue with conflicting css

so just made it different classes

[kindred beacon]

thank you!

[foggy dew]

These two shops have different ways of showing Town Rank requirements, just FYI.

This is on https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Green_tea

[vapid aurora]

updated

and btw jess, thanks for following what i pointed out, appreciate the work

(would have told you here if i had known you were in the discord lol)

[foggy dew]

No problem! A break from doing my actual work 🙂

[vapid aurora]

@unkempt zodiac one thing, when linking to a page and the link label is just the page name with added letters at the end, please dont use link label
meaning, don't [[Golden egg|golden eggs]], do [[golden egg]]s
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Animal_Festival?curid=8361&diff=34454&oldid=32979
this also works for other kind of additions, like [[avocado]]es

other cases like berry are still ok to do [[berry|berries]] as its not just appended letters

[cerulean flare]

hey folks, is there any reason dish prices were recently removed from https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Cooking ?

[vapid aurora]

kinda just not really necessary since its just supposed to be a list of the recipes

thought about removing the "restores" column as well

mainly just to not make the table needlessly wide

[cerulean flare]

very sad. that was one page that could easily and conveniently provide prices for all dishes in one place. Although cooking is badly nerfed as income source still may be useful. And "restores" is mandatory IMO, since its main use for dishes at the moment

[vapid aurora]

yea thats why i didnt remove it originally

[cerulean flare]

as a side note, I'm in progress of making spreadsheet with data connections to all tabless, mainly crops and artisan processors - to autoupdate and calculate stuff like profits per day. That process easily reveals inconsistencies in tables formatting and contents, or simply BUGS. Is it okay to just report it here?

[vapid aurora]

for bugs please use the intended #1105382785826443264

[cerulean flare]

no, bugs in WIKI

like incorrect pice for example

price*

[vapid aurora]

that is not a bug lmao

thats just wrong info

[cerulean flare]

call it whatever, for me after 10+ years in QA anything that's not correct is a BUG 🙂

still, where to report? here?

[vapid aurora]

but yes, if you notice any outdated or wrong information you can either just update it yourself if you're confident that you have the correct info, or report it here and let ppl decide and update

[cerulean flare]

okay, got it, thanks

for the https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Artisan_product page I see several issues that make my data queries go broke, lemme share screenshots

I's stick to HOURS as a unit for all processors, anyways it should be consistent across the table. Also, one more thing in support of HOURS is that days should and may be likely interpreted as something that just happens overnight: crop growth and taps for trees. For anything else I'd use hours. I bet people are intelligent enough to figure out 48 hours is 2 "days", but that will avoid confusion (see example above) and adds uniformity. Besides, perks like 10% faster beehive do exist, so hours seem like more rational way

as a side note, i'm not sure coffe needs 48 hrs to brew, koenig data website says 5 hrs

[vapid aurora]

hours should be used unless game specifically mentions it as days, yes

e.g., tool upgrades and all use days

[cerulean flare]

fully agree, here we think the same 🙂

so anyone my confirm 5 hrs for coffee? i'll happily correct it

[nova flume]

It's 5 hours now, yes.

[vapid aurora]

as for the tables on this page, first of all they should all be using the recipes by category template directly

so will change that

and so since these are automatically obtained tables, if any info is wrong on these, it will have to be changed on the specific item's page

[cerulean flare]

I'm new for wiki editing, in fact never did that point me out to what should be done or instruction

[vapid aurora]

yea bc there is nothing of the sort lmao

you just gotta Know™

[cerulean flare]

like i said, these inconsistencies broke my data queries, so i'm very interested in fixing BUGS at source rather than make unnecessary tweaks in power query 🙂

[nova flume]

Re: Hours and days - a lot of artisan goods that takes days are written as days internally.

[vapid aurora]

im sorry but i have no idea what you're saying lmao

[cerulean flare]

instead of reading the wiki as normal humans do, i connect to wiki pages via data query to put its info into Excel directly and use these tables to: 1 - AUTO update info from wiki via click if a button and 2 - make extra calculations, like profits per day say for kegs. When in same column certain items have HOURS, and others - DAYS, it makes that connection to malfunction - to say it simple way

tahts' for example what i'm extracting for bee hives from respective table

anyways, what should i do and where to correct coffee from 48 to 5 hours?

[vapid hound]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Coffee?diff=34798 like this

[cerulean flare]

so to make sure i understand it right: to "corerct" numbers in say Artisan table, i need instead to fix it of CROP page?

[vapid hound]

on the item page yes

because the table is automatically generated with DPL, it transcludes info from individual pages

[cerulean flare]

very clever and sane way, update in one place and propagate to all dependencies

thanks folks, i'll be reporting more issues of a kind as above as I progress with putting wiki tables into Excel

[kindred beacon]

It would be a lot more appreciated if you can go ahead and make the edits yourself if you're able to.

Now that you know how to too.

We're a very small team so any help is always appreciated!

[cerulean flare]

sure, i'll try to do that unless i'm not sure, so better ask and double check here rather than broke something on wiki 🙂 like for example i had no idea about editing CROP pages instead of artisan ones

but yeah, while i'm playing the game for a while - i'll try to be helpful as much as possible

[vapid aurora]

yea ask all you need or want, thats why we here

[vapid aurora]

finished the change

so now the page is fully automatic

[cerulean flare]

amazing, thanks!

[cerulean flare]

pear page does not have respective section, and i have no idea what it is, i mean its unlock rank

[vapid aurora]

thats bc its not implemented

[cerulean flare]

ah i see, so empty for a reason. thanks

also folks, general question: what sort of attribute distinguishes fruit plants from fruit crops and later fruit trees?

[vapid aurora]

fruit crop is one that you grow from a seed and yields anything considered a fruit, fruit tree is any tree that bears fruit

fruit plant tbh i have no idea where you got that

but to put it simply there's 3 types of fruits

1. comes from a tree, fruit tree
2. doesnt come from a tree, and you grow it on farmland, fruit crop
3. just found around island, fruit scavengable

[cerulean flare]

yeah, i know all that 🙂 I mean in terms of wiki /data structure

[vapid aurora]

exactly that

[cerulean flare]

I mean pear is fruit, and strawberry is fruit, but they're "different" fruits, hence my question. crop tables treat both pear and straw as same types

[vapid aurora]

thats more due to lack of proper categorization than anything

its still a WIP

as of rn there is no differenitation made between crops grown from seeds and those grown from seedlings

[cerulean flare]

that's what I mean. got it. a pity, since potential confusion for a newcomer. I'd love to see in crop table explicit marking of paer and kind as fruit plants or smth, consistently with Lab upgrades

for now I use dumb condition for my data queries where I add extra attribute "plant type" and anything with seed price below 500 is crop, 500-2k is plant, and above is tree, but that's dumb and bruteforce...

[vapid aurora]

ah i see what you meant by plant now

its just the rest of "fruit trees"

but they dont wanna call them fruit trees

for some unknown reason

bc clearly, a banana is not a fruit

there, added categories to differentiate the crop types

[vapid aurora]

updated page into separate sections for each crop type and each season

[cerulean flare]

great, thanks! makes much more sense now

[unkempt zodiac]

I'm unsure if I'm misunderstanding, but I think pears are actually now implemented with this latest update! Unless you meant something about the table isn't implemented, in which case please ignore this 😂 👌

[vapid aurora]

oh they got implemented? havent seen em yet so assume they still werent

well then ig just someone needs to get the data for it if there's any missing

[unkempt zodiac]

They did, they're a Fall/Winter plant! I just bought some extra so I can gather growing info ✨

[unkempt zodiac]

Btw, this makes sense! This actually also leads me to another question where I saw a trend on a few pages that looks like it's being corrected away from: we don't want to use {{PAGENAME}} either, do we?

[vapid aurora]

nope

{{PAGENAME}} is a magic word that is only to be used inside templates that will be transcluded on multiple pages, where we specifically want that functionality of dynamic input based on page used

it should never (except very very rare and controlled situations) be used directly in article body when all that is wanted is solely the page name

aka, dont use pagename just bc you're lazy to write the actual page name

as for why we have this preference, i could give you a plethora of reasons, but unless you're really curious, you're gucci just knowing that if you see any, you can remove it

all the reasons are due to technical stuff

so eh

[unkempt zodiac]

That makes sense! And nah, you're right, I think I'm probably fine just knowing not to use it 😂 👍 Someday I'll probably get into templates, but for now I think I'll probably get the most done doing other stuff

I'll replace it in the future if I see it around!

[cerulean flare]

is this discrepancy intentional? 1st from beehive, 2nd from crop pages respectively

[vapid aurora]

nope, just one of the tables being outdated and not using {{icon}}

should be fixed now

[nova flume]

Fruit plants are a different 'level' of crops, essentially.

'Seeds' are small crops - 1x1, typically one season or harvest.
'Plants' are medium crops - 2x2, two season growth period.
'Trees' are large crops - 3x3, live forever but only harvestable during one season. Trees haven't been implemented.

[cerulean flare]

like i said, i know this 🙂 i bet i know the game (in some aspects at least) better than developers do. My question here was solely about wiki attributes = i.e. how these 3 types are handled and distinguished by wiki. Mikevoir already answered AND fixed that, so now it's clear

[unkempt zodiac]

I've made changes to an example page (https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Aged_barley_beer) , but before I start going wild and making these same changes elsewhere, I wanted to check: Is this what you meant? Also, are artisan products all universal likes?

(Also, I'm inclined to either remove the stub tags or give a specific reason why the stub tag is there; is there something specific that this page is missing, still?)

[vapid aurora]

yes that is what i meant, but as i mentioned to jess, the recipe template must not have a blank line above it

as for the gift preference

yes, artisan stuff is universally liked, but there may be exceptions, the universal preferences are just a default

recomendation to at least do a check on https://koenig.gg/coral-guide/people/gifting with ctrl+f to see if any character has special preference for any specific item

[unkempt zodiac]

Ok! Much obliged 👌

[vapid aurora]

for example, "Beer"

you can see it has a few exceptions

[unkempt zodiac]

(I've removed the blank space above the recipe template for this page; is this what you meant?)

[vapid aurora]

so these would need to be marked

[vapid aurora]

yea

[unkempt zodiac]

Ok! I'm not very familiar with this template yet, so the next question is: is there a way to still use the 'Universally liked' and add exceptions to it without manually locating and typing out the full list of names? (And if there is, do you remember offhand an item that uses it that I could use as an example? )

[vapid aurora]

for this kinda page, if you fill it as you did with this one, you are good to remove the stub

[unkempt zodiac]

Excellent 😄 👌

[vapid aurora]

as most of the sections are automated, if any information is missing from them, it will not need to be updated in the page itself, thus the stub is unnecessary

oh wait

[unkempt zodiac]

Ok! One last thing I was wondering if we'd want to add at some point would be a Navbox; is there one planned for artisan products, and would it be worth leaving the stub forthat?

[vapid aurora]

i see smth missing

the shop avail section

even if its blank, it should be there

[unkempt zodiac]

Oooh good catch

[vapid aurora]

blank as in, the template doesnt return any page, not literally blank

[unkempt zodiac]

That makes sense, as it means that if anything changes we still already have the structure in place to let it update automatically , yeah?

[vapid aurora]

yeap

thats why we automate stuff, to not have to edit the same page fifty times

[unkempt zodiac]

It would be a pain otherwise, yeah 😂

[vapid aurora]

it was all manual before

it hurt my brain

[unkempt zodiac]

yeah I've seen wikis where everything is both manual and has huge quantities of items 😂 Please no...

Btw, should I leave a stub so we go back and add a navbox someday?

(I checked, but couldn't find one if it exists for this type of item)

[vapid aurora]

Stubs are for lack of information on the article

Navigation and trivia do not fall under it

[unkempt zodiac]

Ooh okay, in that case it's all good!

I'm not finding 'aged barley beer' or 'barley beer' on the website, but I am finding 'beer' (like you found); just to confirm, for this item (and for anything that might follow a similar trend, like all the specific kinds of mead or wine), I should just use the gifting info for the closest/basic item group (eg beer, mead, wine) to search, yeah?

[vapid aurora]

Yea, if it doesn't have any match on the page, then it means that no one has any preference for it that diverges from the universal preference

[unkempt zodiac]

Ok! That sounds good ✨

[vapid aurora]

actually, just noticed i lied a bit

someone might have a different preference from universal, but not have it explicitly stated

for example all mushrooms are universally neutral

but jack dislikes all mushrooms

so if you try to search for shiitake

you wont find it

but it does need to be specified separately from universal

so on top of the individual item, you'll also have to do a search for all the "All X" it may belong to

and to add on top of that

you have to take care as some have universal preferences that override the default universal preferences

but have specific preferences above those

shiitake / mushrooms
universal mushrooms default - neutral
universal mushrooms jim - dislike
shiitake jim - love

so yea

its very much a mess

the priority should be obvious but just in case, in order of importance

1. directly named
2. item group on character
3. universal pref

[unkempt zodiac]

Ok! One nuance here is something I'm wincing at as I'm looking at coffee: Deppa has Coffee and Aged Coffee both called out specifically as preferences. I'd been assuming that 'Aged [item]' would have the same preferences of '[Non-aged item]', but now I'm second guessing. Has anyone tested this in game, to see if ageing an item changes people's preferences about it? Or is the fact that it's coffee something that rules supreme?

(What I'm describing is a bit different than what you described, btw; the shiitake VS mushroom thing makes sense!)

[nova flume]

I believe Aged items are unique to the their regular counterparts. If partially because the devs don't always update things for new items.

[unkempt zodiac]

Ok! Then rather than looking up 'beer' and using its preferences for 'barley beer' and 'aged barley beer', I'll consider Barley Beer and Aged barley beer to have independent and separate stats, at least until told otherwise?

[nova flume]

Sounds good!
(I think Beer and Barley beer may fall under the group Alcohol as well, but I'd need to figure out how that's actually defined. :'D)

[unkempt zodiac]

(Yeah I was wondering about that sort of thing too 😂 Maybe that's something to pay attention to, also...)

[unkempt zodiac]

If I see a page with a weird invocation of a name, like Carrot juice saying that you put a '[[{{lc:Carrot}}]]' into an ageing barrel to get carrot juice, should I correct it to just be '[[Carrot]]'?

(I'm guessing this is like the '{{Pagename}}' thing, rather than having a function we want to keep)

[nova flume]

Mmhm, I think so. Pretty sure lc: is just making it lowercase.

[unkempt zodiac]

That's so specific 😂 It would make sense, though!

[unkempt zodiac]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_fruit_juice Just as a note, Dragonfruit is a single word on the fruit page and the wine page; if Dragonfruit being two words is a typo on this page's title, we should look into renaming it sometime! 🙂

(I think I can probably do this myself, probably, but I wanted to check in that I didn't miss it actually being different in the game)

[nova flume]

It's a typo on the dev's end. :'D

[unkempt zodiac]

Oooh okay 😂 👌 In that case I'm glad I didn't start making bigger changes!

Thank you for confirming!!

[unkempt zodiac]

Just as a heads up, it looks like the altar-needs lookup isn't catching anything that goes in an 'Any [Item] category', such as the ones in the Basic Artisan altar

Also, the recipe box lookups in the Recipe sections on pages don't catch 'Any [Item]' categories; I'm assuming this is normal, and that the solution is to put one table for the item and one table for the 'any [item]' category?

(I believe I've checked all links on the first page in this category (https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Artisan_products) for missing sections except the Dried Scavengeables; the scavengeables that I've seen before taking a break all looked pretty complete, so I suspect the main thing left to straighten out for these sections is the 'Any [item]' shenanigans 🙂 )

[kindred beacon]

All "Any" recipes go in their group page, not in individual item pages!

I forgot which item Mike added the hatnote for an "any" uses as an example

[unkempt zodiac]

oh thank goodness, re: the recipes 😂 In that case if I see any 'Any [Item]' recipes like this I'll move it to the Any [Item] page? https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/White_truffle_oil

[kindred beacon]

Because some items can be under so many categories (For example, anything that can be eaten is under "Any edible ingredient")
And this can just get progressively longer the more categories they can fall under.

Yeah but let me find the hatnote mike did

[unkempt zodiac]

Ok!

[kindred beacon]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Milk

[unkempt zodiac]

Oooh, thank you!!

That's going to help me for... genuinely a wild quantity of the artisan items 😂 😩

[unkempt zodiac]

Although--there's probably going to be a lot of work one way or another, since either it involves adding a table or adding the hatnote. Has the value of having 'any [item]' info on the pages from a reader's perspective already been discussed and decided on?

What I mean by this is, as a reader I probably wouldn't hugely care whether an item would have a crafting/gifting option because it's part of a group or if it's unique to the item itself, and I'd probably just want to look up an item and find whatever attributes it can have

As it is, the gifting preferences spill over into this conversation, since many gifts are dependent on things like 'this group of people loves fruit juices, but not vegetable juices', and 'these people love wines in general, but these people love apple wine specifically'

(I'm open to either decision, in the end, I just figure it's probably better to talk about this earlier than later, if it hasn't been mulled over 😂 👌 )

You were mentioning that some items would have major overlap with a few different groups; I think it'd be ok to ignore 'any edible item', generally, but aside from that I'm kind of assuming we won't have any items that get more than two, maybe three?

[vapid aurora]

@unkempt zodiac small thing, please don't use apostrophes as quotation marks unless its a nested quotation, and also give what you add a read before saving for any typos (is an special item)
don't the final 'Entrance Exam' quest cutscenes.
do the final "Entrance Exam" quest cutscenes.
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/B.O.S._badge

[vapid aurora]

also just noticed

but the {{recipes by category table}} in the ===Recipes=== header

it needs to have |category=Cooked dishes

otherwise it will show artisan products and any other as well

not only cooking recipes

will bot the ones currently missing it

[unkempt zodiac]

Sounds good! I hadn't realized there was a convention, this should be simple enough to do though 🙂

[unkempt zodiac]

I'm not at my computer atm so I can't easily check for examples, but I think I get what you mean! I'd been wondering about the overlap for the recipe and the crafting sections, honestly 😂👌

Btw, on the topic of the BOS badge: there's actually a period missing from the official description of the item, they only call it the B.o.S badge instead of the B.o.S. badge!

(It's also not on the badge itself for whatever reason)

[vapid aurora]

you made the page with a period at the end

will move page

[unkempt zodiac]

Thank you!! Sorry for the confusion 🙏

[unkempt zodiac]

Thank you voir!!!!

[cerulean flare]

hey folks, can we please get back PRICES for Dehydrator and Cooking pages? I mean, there must be a page where prices are listed conveniently in ONE place, since it's madness to open individual items for comparison. Thanks for understanding

[vapid aurora]

No

Price is not a relevant metric to those pages, so it will not be added

If you want a custom list that fits your own needs, you're more than welcome to create it in your user namespace

[cerulean flare]

okay, then to what page or pages?

we have prices listed for all other artisan devices, why dehydrator is special? and why on earth money are not relevant?

I mean it makes some sense on https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Artisan_product to NOT list prices to avoid clutter and wide tables, but on individual pages for devices - why not?

[vapid aurora]

Because dehydrator is the only one that has been updated to new format

[cerulean flare]

and who decides these formats?

[vapid aurora]

....

[cerulean flare]

I mean, the only reason for artisan devices is to make money, and we do NOT list money on their wiki pages. brilliant

[vapid aurora]

@unkempt zodiac keep in mind categories use the item name in full lowercase

[unkempt zodiac]

Oooh I'd thought the capital would be better 😂 👌 Hadn't realized it was deliberate, I can do that next time though

[vapid aurora]

we have sentence-case as a standard, so we just make everything lowercase for simplicity

even B.O.S badge would get full lowercased

even Is that denote numbers get lowercased

[unkempt zodiac]

Ah, good to know! I would've proceeded like they were exceptions otherwise

[vapid aurora]

For ease of reference, just assume you can use whatever {{subst:lc:<item mame>}} returns

(btw, you can use that for "copypaste templates" when making pages and all that)

[unkempt zodiac]

I know that 'lc' stands for lowercase; what does 'subst' mean?

[vapid aurora]

subst means that it will leave the result on the page code when the edit is saved, instead of keeping the lc: invokation

[unkempt zodiac]

aaah, it'll substitute?

[vapid aurora]

so if in your edit you do {{Recipes by category table|{{subst:lc:Potato Bread}}}}
when you save the edit, and then check the page code again, it'll be {{Recipes by category table|potato bread}}

and you can do {{subst:lc:{{subst:PAGENAME}}}} to have a quick and easy way to just input the page name in lowercase if neeeded

so you can have a copypasta with {{Artisan product by category table|Uses {{subst:lc:{{subst:PAGENAME}}}}}}

where you just copypaste it and forget about it

no need to manually edit it

[unkempt zodiac]

Yoooooo, does this mean I could theoretically use copypaste code that says '{{subst:PAGENAME}}' in other parts of the page and it'd come out with the regular page name afterwards? 😂 I've been typing it out manually this whole time...

[vapid aurora]

yeap

[unkempt zodiac]

This is going to be wonderful, we still have a whole page of artisan goods that need updating 😂 👌 👌 👌

[vapid aurora]

for example you can do
{{subst:PAGENAME}} is an artisan product that exists, four {{subst:lc:{{subst:PAGENAME}}}} can be obtained from fishing.
and you'll get the first instance with starting uppercase as in the pagename, and full lowercase on the second instance as it's sentence-case

e.g.,

[unkempt zodiac]

That's excellent, I think I'm gonna lean on that approach; that particular line tends to already be written, but all the tables and breakdowns of everything require page by page customization, otherwise

[vapid aurora]

welcome to the beauty of automation

[vapid aurora]

update on this, made https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:See_group to ease the use and standardization of the hatnote

so now instead of {{About|uses that specifically need this item|uses that need any butter|Butter (group)|section=1}}

its just {{See group|any butter|Butter (group)}}

[unkempt zodiac]

Thank you!!

[vapid aurora]

@nova flume do you know if the "quality modifier" mentioned in https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Farming#Experience is the same for fruit trees and fruit plants as well? and if its not, do you have/would you be able to get their modifiers?

[nova flume]

It looks like they've reworked it so quality isn't a factor in Farming experience anymore. I'll get the new info up.

[vapid aurora]

Dankee

If you could check the other masteries just in case they got changed too somehow that'd be nice

[nova flume]

No problem.

Do you want to keep crops/fruit plants/fruit trees separate for the exp table? They're all handled identically at the moment.

[vapid aurora]

No reason to separate if they have no difference

[nova flume]

'v' b

[unkempt zodiac]

Hey Mike! I, ah, think I've been staring so long at something that I might've lost track of how to (confidently) use it 😅 Is the text {{Artisan product by category table|Any Pickle}}, or should it actually be {{Artisan product by category table|Uses any pickle}}?