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[dapper imp]

I hope they fix those spawns

[sudden bluff]

They have said they're working on it in dev diary

[dapper imp]

yeah hopefully

I'm more excited for character content tho

the fish can wait 🙃

[sudden bluff]

I am a Wakuu chaser, I feel you ;_;

[dapper imp]

I'm more interested in his. roommate or whatever she is

[sudden bluff]

Chaem?

[dapper imp]

and Surya but at least the boy has unimplemented events there for me to read

[dapper imp]

yeah she's smoldering hot 😩

[patent root]

i'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but i have noticed several times that (on the wiki) people seem to add stuff to the likes/dislikes on character pages and then some time later it is gone? is the page somehow bugging or are they getting deleted by admins?

[dapper imp]

I delete them if they're already included in a group that's already in gift preferences
like, say, if someone adds daffodil as liked to the page for a character who already likes flowers

[ruby sinew]

im not deleting anything but today i saw people add stuff like "Cosmo" "daisy" when it literaaly says FLOWERS

[dapper imp]

it'd be too excessive if we list every item

[patent root]

hmm i thought so, but then again violet is a flower and that is on neutral or even disliked for some characters

i think it's pretty confusing like that

apple too, it's a fruit

[dapper imp]

it's an exception that's listed on every character page

[turbid mason]

Characters seem to treat Apple and Lemon more as ingredients than fruits

[merry aspen]

@ruby sinew when i upload can i add [[Category:Furniture icons]] into the summary and it will do that correctly or do you HAVE to do it afterwards?

[turbid mason]

Even Macy is neutral to them

[dapper imp]

there are no exceptions to these groups other than those listed

[ruby sinew]

it adds auto

[dapper imp]

apple, lemon, almond and olive are universal neutral despite it being fruit

[merry aspen]

what do you mean it adds auto? i get 100 emails saying that you added the categories haha

[ruby sinew]

lmaoooooooooooo yea it works if u add that code so i wont have to

[dapper imp]

if an item of a group isn't listed it means it's treated as the rest of items in the group

[merry aspen]

lol

[dapper imp]

and I don't think we need to add all items

[sudden bluff]

We have entire areas currently unknown and undiscovered, so I also suspect the list of items will increase

If things get listed individually it'll likely hit a point where it's harder to find what you want from sheer overload

[merry aspen]

purga, it acutally shows the Summary header then, so its somewhat different

[dapper imp]

yep. plus there's objective limits of the engine like transclusion size limits

[dapper imp]

don't worry about it, it doesn't impact anything

it's only slightly irritating to me but not enough not to use that feature

[merry aspen]

So its fine if i add it while uploading? might save purga some sanity :D

[dapper imp]

yeah go ahead

[ruby sinew]

and there will be merfolk kingdom and then island hopping 👀

[ruby sinew]

hahaah its ok i was zen but ur emails sound annoying XD

[merry aspen]

i always forgot to uncheck "watch file" still in programmer mode haha

[sudden bluff]

Right? Island hopping will add ridiculous amounts of stuff

[turbid mason]

Island hopping? 😮

[sudden bluff]

It's one of the stretch goals listed for post 1.0

[ruby sinew]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/File:Island_hopping_promo.png

@dapper imp btw should we put early access trailer instead of announcment on main page?

[dapper imp]

yeah go ahead

I don't keep up with their promo materials at all

[ruby sinew]

and new photo for EA?

ooh wiki wants me to upload a video 😮 not a youtube link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWFDUiZEmnc

[dapper imp]

you can add a link using a separate button in image activity page

I've added it

[merry aspen]

indoor furniture is done assuming thats all, except basic cabinet i cant find an image that matches

[ruby sinew]

TYSM, it should be blue color

[merry aspen]

as soon as the name is corrected i can search for the image

anyway, ill go for a short walk and continue programming haha will still be available (in about 30 minutes) if you need something

[primal orchid]

Hey there, the link for the Spanish wiki doesn’t seem to be working for me?

[cerulean flare]

PSA: testing some weird minmaxing strats, so I ended up completing 50+ museum items and 2 altar offerings (mats + spring crops), and immediately got rank E = Sam has new spring seeds in store. I do explicitly highlight the fact I did not try diving AT ALL = no cleared coral sites. https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Town_rank - suggests smth different about rank E, but this is more "normal / traditional" way. That is, I assume there's some sort of scoring, MAYBE with some minimal cap or combined cap, e.g. one MUST complete at least X offerings

In fact, since I turned in both offerings at the same time - I now think MAYBE even one would suffice for E?

[merry aspen]

AFAIK Townrank is based on a score and activities add to it for example iirc adding a fish to the museum gives +3 or something like this. I saw the values somewhere

[cerulean flare]

yep, based on what I said it looks exactly like this. I mean, wiki should politely suggets this, so that people dont think like diving is say obligatory for unlocking rank

[merry aspen]

example

offering give heavy scores it seems

[merry aspen]

they do this everywhere :D

[ruby sinew]

yea but ur gonna have to progress at all of them at some point. u cant complete some offerings unless u rank up, if u dont rank up you wont be able to heal more coral sites etc etc. so those numbers are avarage estimates

[sudden bluff]

Lol I found it... next to my farm, didn't consider that very open either

[dapper imp]

have any of y'all made screenshots of Ben's stock ever?

[unique hatch]

Want to share: I triggered which might be Archie's heart event. He asked to play a (not yet implemented) mini-game at his room.

[ruby sinew]

same item can be a different price on different week, everything is totally random

[dapper imp]

how many hearts he had? what was he doing exactly and when it happened?

[dapper imp]

I'm the most curious about the item groups he offers and how many of them are sold per day / reroll

the prices I can likely find

[ruby sinew]

a few outfit
a few furniture
ordinary scarecrow
stamina fruit

[dapper imp]

yeah the fruit is fixed

is there a coconut every week?

[ruby sinew]

oh yes that too

[dapper imp]

and something with poppy, either a honey or seeds?

[ruby sinew]

honey is also fixed yes but different type each week

i gotta check ingame im writing from my memory

also i saw someone gain hearts with ratih yesterday, but she doesnt appear on people tab

[merry aspen]

I finished journals yesterday in my app, i can check shops next and do some digging if you have something I should look for

[pseudo plinth]

Just wanted to let yall know. Ignore how much of Rafael's dialogue I have put in today. I'm obsessed with him a normal amount.

[unique hatch]

Currently I have 2 hearts with him. I'm sorry I forget the details 😅. I tend to click the dialogues fast. I only remember that it wasn't at night.

[turbid mason]

Ben puts up 1-2 outfit items, 2-3 house decorations, 2-3 outside fences/etc, the stamina fruit, and the scarecrow. Sometimes a coconut but not always, I think? And the last slot varies between green tea, kombucha, poppy honey, and poppy seeds.

I've been checking and transcribing his stuff weekly to the sheet

Stock persists from Saturday to Sunday and the discount is consistent per restock

[sudden bluff]

The coconut is always seasonally appropriate as far as I can tell

like you will never get a tall coconut in spring or fall

wait what's going on with the spreadsheet did someone mess with the fish page again

[turbid mason]

Nope, coconut isn't stuck by season

[sudden bluff]

It's not? Okay, just me then XD thanks

[turbid mason]

I thought it was at first so I started tracking what season I saw the coconut in, but they showed up relatively randomly

It might be more likely to get the current season's coconut

[main fable]

hi! i was just looking at the google sheet catching page for insects, and in the "location" column some have (unlock) written. what does that mean?

for example:

[pulsar elk]

It is locked at first and unlocked when you finish first altar

[main fable]

ok! thanks so much

[ruby sinew]

@merry aspen this is the in-game name

[merry aspen]

i acutally looked it up and for some reason i dont have any data to this, ill give it another look but it might be messing with the translations

for some reason its called wooden dresser? :D

ill check the item database

Hm

I see the problem, damn

In case you're interested: I iterate through all frames (= dimensions and position of sprite in atlas file) and look which item has the frame name in icon meta and fetch the name. This image is used more than once but i only look for the first hit, missing the generation of an (identical) second image with another name, because we mapped icons not to their sprite name but their display name :D

[sudden bluff]

so... there are two items with the same image?

[merry aspen]

at least

[sudden bluff]

Ohhhhh yeah I see it
wooden dresser and basic cabinet

[merry aspen]

i dont know if one of them is not obtainable or something, but multiple are mapped this way, yes. Ill do a lookup for mappings that have more or less than 1

well, that explains things haha

Didnt even think about the obvious stuff: Artisan products use the same image over and over, other items as well. So i hate to say it, but mapping items by their display name will produce a lot duplicate images abd might not be the best solution here :/ I can dump my findings in a second

its a lot so ill post it as TXT

[dapper imp]

all of the duplicates are seed bags and artisan products

the things we aren't even making separate pages for 🙃

[merry aspen]

mostly, yes. a few exceptions

i might keep my extraction script as is for wiki and add another one which adds the icon path based on the frame

i was extremly confused when my placeholder icon was named teleport token and i couldnt find it, same as improved bug net... now we know exactly why 😅

[pulsar elk]

Wait wait. Fish pond move order? Isn't it just decoration?

Also shed, woo

[ruby sinew]

fish pond is same like the stardew

[pulsar elk]

This is my first farm game (it spoiled me completely too...)

[ruby sinew]

u put fish in it they multiply and give roe or caviar etc daily

[pulsar elk]

Oh, nice

[dapper imp]

is it functional yet?

[ruby sinew]

i dont think so i havent levelled up fishing

[sudden bluff]

You can't do anything with it atm - you can make it but can't interact else

however, that one didn't need a move order... so possible there's a small decorative one and one that gets unlocked at the carpenter's?

[sudden bluff]

oh so it's for ROE
i thought it was like SoS:3oT, where ... it multiplies and then you can sell the fish
(don't ask me how I fit stuff like gator gars in there)

[ruby sinew]

they could also use it like that.. we’ll see

also @dapper imp these are the fixed items but there were no honey this time

oops sorry wrong pic

[dapper imp]

yeah the honey is Ben's special

you got poppy seeds as his special this time

hmm it seems like it's always an accessory, a clothing item, and several furniture / decor of certain types

[ruby sinew]

ratih also sells a stamina fruit on her black market

[sudden bluff]

oh
one of the critters
it should be eight-armed starfish, not eight armed starfish

I moved it but the navbox will need to change

[ruby sinew]

done

saw flowerhat jellyfish at 13m but it got away instantly

[sudden bluff]

ahhhhh, thanks
they are shockingly fast

[pulsar elk]

found orchid mantis in autumn

[ruby sinew]

what do we call the area behind the ericas house?

i caught a lady beetle there

town?

[dapper imp]

it's town on the game map iirc

[ruby sinew]

are we gonna replace the tables or should i add new fish to the existing one

[dapper imp]

ugh. I honestly don't know at this point

[merry aspen]

I mean, we could ask stairway to give us the location names, no? im not sure how they would react to datamine but might be worth a shot?

[dapper imp]

yeah we can give it a try. are the mods here community mods or a part of / in contact with the dev team?

[ruby sinew]

i think yellows are

[sudden bluff]

the community managers are part of the dev team I believe

[sudden bluff]

@ruby sinew By reaching rank B, you unlock winter seeds from Sam

it's rank C, the letters they sent definitely need to be updated

[ruby sinew]

yea ive been writing down the letters info

[ruby sinew]

link with page/without page isnt that obvious after new color change

[dapper imp]

I've changed it to a darker color to enable the mobile theme

adjusted it a bit

it's better in article text than in navboxes 🤔

[turbid mason]

Haha, characters are pretty split on whether they like garlic or not

[dull igloo]

Hi, how did you get in contact with them, and could you please request "easy bug catching" and "easy fishing"?

[dapper imp]

did you folks try walking around in game without any clothing on? the reactions some characters give are great

I'm going to add them to the wiki for the sake of it

I've also found some pretty interesting very rare lines, it's such a curious mechanic

I've only seen one of those in game so far

[turbid mason]

There are also fun reactions to the Pufferfish outfit. I've been wearing it for a long time, though, and you only get the reaction once.

[dapper imp]

yeah and for chicken and panda ones

Jack wants to get that chicken suit for himself, I'd love to see it

[turbid mason]

Actually I wonder if you get the reactions again if you change clothes and then go back to the outfit...

[dapper imp]

that'd be interesting to check 👀

[ruby sinew]

same

[turbid mason]

Suki treats you like a child, she's like "-sigh- I understand you're going through your rebellious phase..."

[dapper imp]

the reactions for being naked are the most hilarious so far, many folks are low key into it

[turbid mason]

Nice. Maybe they'll follow your example. Start a nudist colony.

[dapper imp]

especially from Ben. but then again, Ben has the weirdest lines in the game

[merry aspen]

While adding infos to my app, what crop information do we want to add to the wiki as well?

[dapper imp]

I think we have all these on the wiki already

except can combine but it's 5% for them all so better to be explained in the mechanic overview

[merry aspen]

where do i find size, trellis, and scythe requirement?

[dapper imp]

only one crop is trellis crop, I think it's better to be mentioned on its individual page

I think it'd be worth adding to the full table if we get more than one

size is 1x1 for them all

again, if it changes anytime in the future we'd need to add it. now though it's redundant

[merry aspen]

makes sense, got it (y)

[dapper imp]

scythe is required for like. two of them? I think it's also better placed on individual pages

[merry aspen]

you know i actually spent more time programming/mining than playing the game haha

[dapper imp]

same, I've played maybe two weeks of in-game time at this point

[turbid mason]

I tend to play a few actual days in-game and then reload several times to pass out weird gifts and see what I get in the mail 🤣

[dapper imp]

weird gifts 😌 I kind of do weird gifts as part of actual gameplay at this point

my farmer's just a bit eccentric

[turbid mason]

Kinda wish the NPC wouldn't accept the gift if they didn't like it XD

[dapper imp]

yeah I'd rather keep those bugs 😆

[sudden bluff]

I got my first present from Archie and I'm like kid, it will not stay safe, I literally cannot tell it apart from the 900+ other rocks

[dapper imp]

it's free rocks, who can say no to free stuff

[sudden bluff]

He's so earnest like "please take good care of my rock"

[dapper imp]

awww so cute

[turbid mason]

The good news is you can give the rock right back to him and he'll be super happy XD

[sudden bluff]

Also Theo sent me a black sea urchin, I reloaded to a garnet from Rafael and I'm sorry Theo, Rafael wins this one hands down

[sudden bluff]

I love how pure that is, like he's so happy over a random rock

[turbid mason]

He also loves gold and silver ore! ...or you can give him a rock 😂

[sudden bluff]

He probably thinks silver ore is just shinier rock

[turbid mason]

Totally

[dapper imp]

and bronze, he loves all ores

[turbid mason]

Pablo's kind of hard to please, isn't he? He's neutral to most gems and crops.

[sudden bluff]

Oh yeah speaking of gifts, is there a place for turtle bribes

Like the individual pages mention sesajen but not turtle bribes

[sudden bluff]

Nobody is hard to please as long as you can reliably throw easy scavengeables at them

[turbid mason]

I'm certain the inactive sea creatures will also want bribes in the future, so it won't just be turtles!

[turbid mason]

Yeah, you can give him flowers, just... almost everyone likes your crops and he's just like "That's solid."

[sudden bluff]

Solid

After all the time I spent diving to get silver kelp for fertiliser

Pablo you're never getting anything above base quality from me (I lie)

[dapper imp]

it can go on the diving page

I haven't looked into it yet

[sudden bluff]

Okay! I'm pretty sure info has been found by the community for all seasons, but it seems to keep cropping up

[dapper imp]

there's actually a fourth offering altar in the files already but it's barely implemented so I haven't added it

haven't looked into those turtles yet at all

[sudden bluff]

I actually left out any unimplemented locations for the fish

Mostly because I think there's no point confusing people more and it might change any moment

(Unimplemented including things like the mines because you can't fish there)

[dapper imp]

oh anything might change or break in any update or hotfix

[sudden bluff]

That is true

But yeah since it can't be realistically achieved atm I left it out

[dapper imp]

fair

[turbid mason]

Ling: Oh, I'm not too fond of this.
Personal file: Hate

understatement

[sudden bluff]

OOF. What did you hand her

(Also: how DOES one pronounce Luke's surname, is it Doo-corn or Duck-orn 🤔 )

[turbid mason]

Garlic!

Eva hates garlic too

[sudden bluff]

*takes notes: potential vampires

[turbid mason]

Oddly enough, Sam of the vampire eyes LOVES garlic

Excuse me, likes

[sudden bluff]

So he just has really bad conjunctivitis?

[dapper imp]

vampire eyes?

[turbid mason]

Yeah, at the right angle his eyes glow red, and so do Emily's

[dapper imp]

also, garlic is delicious when not juiced

[turbid mason]

It's oft reported as a bug but I'm not convinced

I put so much garlic in my food XD

[sudden bluff]

Some of the NPCs have a famously - yeah, that lol

[dapper imp]

that adds flavor 🙃

[sudden bluff]

I love garlic, I'm just traumatised by the garlic juice

Same as the peppers

[dapper imp]

yeah why would you. juice it

why is there no hot pepper jam but there's hot pepper juice

[sudden bluff]

Who DRINKS hot pepper juice

Same people who drink garlic juice?

[dapper imp]

they all should love garlic juice tbh

with the way the gifts are assigned

pain and suffering

[sudden bluff]

...because it's artisan?

[dapper imp]

yes

[sudden bluff]

...must be tested for science, I will LAUGH if someone hates garlic but likes garlic juice

[dapper imp]

I don't think anyone has a check for garlic juice specifically

that would be hilarious

[turbid mason]

It's weird to me that Kenny "stays away from animal products" but likes food made of fish... so I guess he's a pescatarian?

Since we don't have any chicken or beef dishes or anything

[dapper imp]

or for juices / pickes of their hated vegetables or fruit

does Leah like all these fruit and veggies only when they're not raw?

maybe she's on a juice cleanse or whatever

[dapper imp]

he has some fish dishes listed as disliked iirc

but only several of them. so maybe he dislikes them for reasons other than avoiding animal products

that or more items will be later added to his dislikes and hates

[pseudo plinth]

THANK YOU for whoever orgznized Rafaels dialogues :] I wasnt sure how to categorize them

[dapper imp]

I did it, feel free to ping me if you have questions

[pseudo plinth]

ty ty I'll let u know

I like how you put the line about favoritism between Rafael and Pablo as random rare dialogue 💀

[dapper imp]

that's what it is in game

almost every character has this very random rare line

usually something pretty personal

I think there's just a very small chance to get it randomly during any conversation

I actually got Rafael's in game. was very surprised because I've met him a couple of days ago at this point in the game and here he is dumping something so deeply personal on me

but his is the only one I've seen in game so far. yet they all have one

[pseudo plinth]

Thats pretty cool I was so suprised when I came across that line 😭 Hes so anxious

[dapper imp]

many of them are personal, and yet Macy ||calls us out on liking farming sims instead of actual farming|| or Ben says his usual Ben stuff

[pseudo plinth]

LMAO I love that

[turbid mason]

Oh, that's rare? I was super amused to hear meta-Macy XD

[dapper imp]

yeah that's rare

I haven't really seen or paid attention to how rare those are

but I'd say there's a decent chance to get them if you talk to a character often enough

I'm probably going to expand on it a bit on friendship page

[coarse geyser]

does anyone know if dialogue changes if you reset the day? would make it a lot easier to gather dialogue than running around and getting 2 lines from everyone every in game day

[dapper imp]

honestly I wouldn't bother gathering it all, it's not particularly difficult to datamine

if you want to contribute lines, just add whatever you have

and I'll fill in the rest. eventually

also, save scumming doesn't work for things like drops or events so I'm not sure it'll work for dialogue

[coarse geyser]

ah, gotcha. thx

[dapper imp]

hmm but maybe you can get a different line if you talk to them at a different location

some lines are location specific

[sudden bluff]

I would feel more called out if I wasn't already resigned to my lack of green thumbs

[dapper imp]

oh I don't feel called out at all, I find those meta jokes mildly amusing

though Kira has a letter somewhere telling us to gid gud, and I kind of had enough of those already

[sudden bluff]

Kira like "what do you mean you haven't tasted spider tempura yet"

"They're easy to catch what do you mean you only saw a wolf spider once and it ran away"

[dapper imp]

Kira has the access to secret spider hunting grounds

and honestly? I'm good without ever trying spider tempura, thanks Kira

but yeah she also has a letter somewhere with the words "git gud" in it (don't know if it's implemented, it seems to start a quest) and I immediately went after seeing it

[hollow wadi]

At the "Welcome to Coral Island" sign at the diving dock: at night time the bucket-thingy hanging on the left side is closed. When interacting with it it opened up and gave me 5 x Batik Hanging.

[turbid mason]

😮

[turbid mason]

Wh - I got 1x "Painting 20" and 3x "Batik Hanging"

It was morning winter y2

[turbid mason]

Yasssss I got the Rove Beetle!!

8:10pm Winter 24 Y2, by the birdhouses

[turbid mason]

I saw, but didn't catch, a second Rove Beetle the following night, 10pm Winter 25

[pulsar elk]

Can grains and flowers also combine?

[dapper imp]

not all of them

there's a selection of crops that can turn giant, I'm guessing that's what this parameter is for

they need to be planted in 3x3 grid to combine

[pulsar elk]

Curious to have a list of those

[dapper imp]

it's here in the chat somewhere above, search for giant crops

in this channel

I'm going to put it on the wiki someday. just not tonight

[pulsar elk]

Also, how does combining occur? Is it a chance per day while crops remain ripe? Or have they to be planted fresh?

[dapper imp]

I think it's for ripe

but I haven't looked at it closely

[pulsar elk]

Neat, I want to have greenhouse full of giant crops

[sudden bluff]

Ripe - there's a book in the library that has a little passage about it

The guy left his potatoes unharvested

[dapper imp]

some characters sure have a lot of lines, huh

and they only go up to 4 hearts now...

[dapper imp]

hmm. I want to trim those crop tables on crop page a bit; maybe remove quality prices and leave only base there, and list the types of artisan products they make and their base price. and maybe some additional info like offerings or loved gifts in the last column? does anyone have any objections or suggestions?

[novel edge]

i have no suggestions but 100% trust your judgment

i might try to contribute to cutscenes tab, since ive been getting a TON of them, after using a multiply friendship xp cheat, but i was wondering if this also includes the cutscenes that you get at the start of the day, right as you exit your house?

[spare anchor]

iirc it does not
I started a day once, talked to some people, went about my business and then the game crashed and when I tried again, the dialogue I got was the exact same

[sudden bluff]

Yep I think that's great since we already have the details elsewhere

For additional info that I think would be pretty useful but I'm not sure where to go:

-- items that get mailed to you as gifts (especially useful for fish, for example)
-- items that get used in diving (currently the turtles but i'm sure the angry beluga, stoned seal and stunned sunfish will want stuff too)

[carmine chasm]

Wait, which crops require a sickle? I don't think I've encountered any I couldn't harvest by hand.

[turbid mason]

Nice! What season/day was that?

[foggy dew]

Items mailed from NPCs probably should go on the NPC page , items mailed from non-in game characters go on a separate mail page?

[novel edge]

items mailed from non-in game characters??/ what :0

[foggy dew]

Like grandma/mom and dad

I don’t think they have enough to warrant their own pages (yet)

[dreamy pulsar]

Hello hello I yoinked the diving map thats on the spreadsheet and added 12 red stars. From what I can tell, these spots always will have a sea critter at them. There's definitely more spawn locations but the others don't always have a critter at them
Also blue lobsters aren't rare - I logged 7 days of winter diving and saw a total of 17 in those days (@ stars 1 2 4 5 6 10 12). Arrow crabs on the other hand... I only saw 2 at stars 3 and 7.

[merry aspen]

Rice, Barley Wheat according to data

But I didnt try to harvest them by hand so might be dysfunctional

[sudden bluff]

Yeah that makes sense! Grandma/mom/dad can actually all go on a player page if you think about it

[sudden bluff]

Was this in Winter?

[dreamy pulsar]

ah yeah forgot to mention that

[sudden bluff]

Thank you! Hmmm, I think people have only seen arrow crabs in winter so far

[dreamy pulsar]

Winter 16-22 is when I started logging exact locations and stuff

Also I swear #11 is always a hermit crab when i check it

[sudden bluff]

I know I got an arrow crab at 14m

7 is behind the milk turtle at 15m...

[dreamy pulsar]

Yesyes that appears to be the most common spot for the arrow crab

[sudden bluff]

3 seems new?

[dreamy pulsar]

3 almost always had a plain starfish or seahorse at it iirc, with an arrow crab jump scaring me once there

[sudden bluff]

Huh
So it CAN spawn there
I was like 'arrow crab at 3?' O_O

[dreamy pulsar]

Yeah idk i wasnt expecting it either

[sudden bluff]

I'm past winter but it looks like they spawn maybe once, twice a day? like I remember catching that blue lobster and then when I went back down to check, nothing

And once the 'slot' is taken up it's taken up

[dreamy pulsar]

I dunno, I was mostly in the deeper ocean just collecting scrap. I'd start @ 18:00 and go 12 -> 1 2 3 4 5 6 -> 9 10 11 -> 7 8

[sudden bluff]

I'll try later! I managed to injure my hand opening a stubborn jar ._. no playing too much for me tn

[dreamy pulsar]

Ooof I hope your hand feels better!

[sudden bluff]

Thank you! I feel very silly lmao, I should have just gone and used a tool or something instead of being stubborn

[dreamy pulsar]

Also potentially relevant - atlas moths and birdwings 100% don't only spawn in the ginseng area (at least, after you unlock it)

[sudden bluff]

I've definitely seen atlas moths around outside (seems like general Forest area + maybe Observatory?)

[dreamy pulsar]

yes yes I swear they're everywhere e-e

[sudden bluff]

I can't tell until I catch them LMAO
sometimes it's atlas moth
sometimes it's polyphemus
sometimes it's um, moth moth

[crystal lantern]

Summer Night 12

[sudden bluff]

on that note, have you noticed matsutake anywhere outside the ginseng area in Fall, if you can recall
i found it ONCE outside the ginseng area, and never again

[dreamy pulsar]

Uhhhh I unlocked ginseng area when winter hit (im still on y1) and I have 2 in a chest so they definitely exist not in the fall

[sudden bluff]

matsutake?

[dreamy pulsar]

yes

[sudden bluff]

I thought they were fall only O_O

or you found them outside the ginseng area, I guess
either way XD
thanks!

[dreamy pulsar]

Yeah either way they definitely exist outside of ginseng fall

The 3 places I think I most likely got them from would be
Ginseng, the mines, and the path on the left outside of the hot springs

[sudden bluff]

Yep, I got one from that path
I think they all fall under the Forest zone, with the ginseng area being potentially a subsection of it (it has no name on the map)

[dreamy pulsar]

Yeah I think all of the mushrooms I've gotten are basically either from the mines or that specific area

[turbid mason]

Black trumpet also spawns by the mayor's house

And morels show up in trash cans XD

[sudden bluff]

Morels also get dug up from clover spots in spring

[ruby sinew]

morel is also in water mines

[sudden bluff]

I think I've seen shiitake in mines too but I can't be sure
they grow rnadomly, like ginger?

[carmine chasm]

They're definitely harvestable by hand right now, though I suppose that might be something they're planning to change in an update later.

[west ingot]

matsutake has spawned a few times for me in the column south of ben's caravan in fall

[west ingot]

forgot to add a reply

[carmine chasm]

I've seen them there, as well.

[dapper imp]

I think there's two or three in the files that have that tag, will check in a bit

[dapper imp]

mailed stuff is too random to rely on, so I'd put it on npc or even mail page. listing the bribes might be a good idea. we don't have a list on the wiki anywhere, right?

I'll check the files

[sudden bluff]

We don't have a list on the wiki and I think people have already dug up what they want in all seasons

I know cucumber guy wants tomato in summer and a large egg in winter, I forgot what he wants in fall

but I notice people especially getting very confused about the large milk/large egg

[dapper imp]

honestly why not, it's all good info. if they're not heart events maybe specify what the cutscenes are?

[dapper imp]

does the mechanic have a name in game at all?

[sudden bluff]

Not that I know of? I jokingly call it the turtle bribes but people generally just go 'how do i get past this turtle'

[dapper imp]

hmm maybe on diving page then?

[carmine chasm]

Diving page would be the place I'd initially think to look for that info. Since I suspect the other creatures in the deep areas that are currently just floating there will also eventually ask for something, maybe title the section something that's not specific to turtles?

[dapper imp]

I'm going to check where it's assigned

okay the crops that require scythe are only Rice, Wheat, and Barley

[sudden bluff]

...I don't remember scything my rice o_o I definitely harvested it by hand

[dapper imp]

hmmm

maybe it's unused?

it has the parameter "scytheRequirement": "EC_UsageRequirement::RequiredToUse"

hmm maybe it's there for the future

[carmine chasm]

Either not implemented yet or the devs decided not to implement at all and haven't removed the parameters, would be my guess.

[dapper imp]

yeah. I know everything can be harvested by the scythe as an optional method tho, is that right?

[novel edge]

im not sure how to tell if something is a heart event or not?

[dapper imp]

I'm pretty sure I have listed all the implemented heart events on the wiki. if it's not there it might be something else

[hollow wadi]

Megasheet - Ghost drop: in fall he drops cranberry to.

[dapper imp]

okay I'm going to write a bit more about giant crops and then look for those items underwater creatures ask for; feel free to correct anything about mechanics I write on crops page because I'm basing my assumptions largely on datamined info and it might work differently in actual game

[dapper imp]

do those underwater animals give any text at all?

[carmine chasm]

Not currently. Only the turtles even have the "Talk" command popup on mouseover.

[dapper imp]

interesting, thanks. they have some lines but they're all placeholders

[dapper imp]

found turtle requests but can't tell their locations, could someone please add them and the explanation here: https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Diving#Puzzles

[sudden bluff]

Oh huh the egg doesn't require bronze quality

[dapper imp]

no it looks like it's basic

okay here's what I have for crops: https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/User:Cimeex/sandbox#Spring_crops
still perhaps too busy / redundant?

ditching those {{g}} icons is an option 🤔

[lusty pelican]

I think it looks good! 👍

[ruby sinew]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Diving

i added turtles to locations

feel free to change it if u want add something better

[dapper imp]

thanks. I have no idea where they are in game

[ruby sinew]

yea there is no in-game map so even if we type exaxt location no one would understand

this is the best thing ive seen so far tho

maybe we can add this? idk

[dapper imp]

do you know the author of it?

it would be better to get a permission and credit them

[ruby sinew]

someone who made the megasheet shared this on here

but it might be another sheet

yea its in here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oqaF61JTUJTFFXzdmhYZYRFpaLjhpNtfbRlEajE-XYA/edit#rangeid=291765512

[sudden bluff]

Hmm I'm wondering if we need to link the recipes in it since many crops are likely to be used in various recipes

maybe Sesajen/diving puzzles/loved?

the potato one is very crammed

[dapper imp]

I've only listed where they're not replaceable

[sudden bluff]

Ahhh

[dapper imp]

many recipes use "any vegetable"

yeah the potato is squishy

[ruby sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dance-potato-sad-potato-noice-gif-19646307

[dapper imp]

the tomato might even be worse

hmmmm

most of them will have a few lines except potato or tomato

[ruby sinew]

i dont mind recipes but seed picture is taking a unnecessary place on the sheet i think

[dapper imp]

I can list something like Several [[cooking]] recipes if there's more than three

[dapper imp]

yeah we can make the icon small and move it to the first column tbh

or remove the seed packet

it provides zero information

especially since we have no separate pages for seeds

[sudden bluff]

Actually for the artisan goods
Do we have to include the name for every single one

We could just put it as like

"All vegetable crops can be made into pickles/juice with the exception of <list>"

All fruit crops can be made into jam/juice with the exception of <list> etc

[dapper imp]

yeah that would also work

[sudden bluff]

because I think listing jam/juice and pickles/juice for every single one is a bit redundant and takes up a lot of space

or like, 'unless otherwise indicated'

[dapper imp]

hmm.

[sudden bluff]

so we could keep 'tofu' for soybeans

[dapper imp]

we might need a type column when

because tomato is a fruit iirc

[sudden bluff]

Yeah tomato is a fruit

[dapper imp]

oh wait it's both

fruit for gifting but also has a vegetable tag

🫠

[sudden bluff]

In game it says fruit

and processes as a fruit

[ruby sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-hot-gif-25409677

[sudden bluff]

(jam and juice)

it also counts towards fruit quests

[turbid mason]

Also cactus is a flower, which isn't obvious

[sudden bluff]

*blink

OK that went right by me, I would've guessed 'fruit'

[sudden bluff]

could this replace the seeds column?

[turbid mason]

Cactus isn't on the crops page

[dapper imp]

yeah the seeds need to go

[dapper imp]

there's an item directory table that has all tags for an item and it lists both tags for tomato. but maybe the first one in the list takes priority for processing? it's fruit for tomato

[ruby sinew]

can we please decide what to do on fish 🥹 i wanna continue working on it

[dapper imp]

what would you like to do purga?

individual pages?

brush up and replace the table?

[ruby sinew]

yea but i dont wanna go back later for locations and its pointless without locations atm 😦

[turbid mason]

Yep Cactus lists as a Flower but processes as Pickles

[sudden bluff]

I am very confused by that

[turbid mason]

Charles treats it like a flower, too, says he'll have to throw it out

[sudden bluff]

Poor guy

He gets offered cactus by an unsuspecting farmer

and he's STILL allergic

[dapper imp]

poor Charles

[ruby sinew]

well

[sudden bluff]

oh for the love of
i think stuff got messed around in the megasheet again

[dapper imp]

I see nothing wrong with adding those atm. maybe those that can be expanded on on the Fishing page? I''ve put some of them there

[sudden bluff]

...
barracuda got ticked as winter

*THUNK

you can't even fish it right now, it's only in that list because someone got it mailed to them /in summer/ and it's ticked as winter

is there a way we can lock down the fish page?

[turbid mason]

Even locking sheets doesn't prevent people from changing the ticky boxes

Ticky boxes on crops are changeable

It's pretty easy to accidentally mess up the calculations that way

[sudden bluff]

I clicked summer and someone unticked it T_T

[dapper imp]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/User:Cimeex/sandbox#Spring_crops

[sudden bluff]

Thanks T_T
I think it's messing up the fish/insects stuff because I know at one point the gator gar was ticked as all seasons and the clownfish was ticked spring/summer (it's summer only)

[dapper imp]

so there's less squish like that

but still some squish

[sudden bluff]

Ooo, I like

[turbid mason]

I don't think you're gonna get rid of the squish without getting rid of some data like additional uses

Should be pretty easy to put the seed image with the crop image though, at the same size

[dapper imp]

yeah. there's zero squish for me rn if I minimize the right column

but idk how many wiki users minimize columns or use widescreen feature

[turbid mason]

Looks like this for me

[ruby sinew]

💯

[dapper imp]

if it were widescreen / expanded view (or at least no right column) by default I'd have no qualms about leaving it all it

[turbid mason]

I think it'd be better to have more vertical scroll rather than horizontal squish and not have multiple columns in Additional

[dapper imp]

ugh if only there were a check for width

for me it looks better with columns because I use the wider view

it's weird how fandom uses its horizontal space by default

[turbid mason]

(weird that peas are edamame rather than soybeans...)

[dapper imp]

yeah 😅

[turbid mason]

I don't even see an option for minimizing columns? Just sorting by columns

[dapper imp]

there's none iirc

hmm the potato looks weird but maybe I can adjust the vertical align

aaand it's not working for the full table? weird

hmm did different vertical align make it worse?

[turbid mason]

Looks okay to me. Maybe a mobile user should look at it though.

[vapid wagon]

Guys, what is the deal with the Clamshell with the buttons in front of it in the ocean? Anyone know?

[turbid mason]

Not active yet

[dapper imp]

mobile would get squish either way. the new table would likely be better for them that the current one

let me move it to mainspace and take a look

[ruby sinew]

yea maybe we should add musical puzzle is not implemented yet

[dapper imp]

yeah still wide on mobile but better than the one currently on crops page

[sudden bluff]

It's supposed to be a diving puzzle, but they haven't implemented it yet

[dapper imp]

oh wait I've meant fandom wiki's right column. the arrow here

it hides the column to make the article space wider but is likely only visible if you're logged in

[sudden bluff]

OH
i thought you meant minimizing the right column, as in the correct column

[dapper imp]

and there's a button on the left to expand the article area even more

[vapid wagon]

ty!

[turbid mason]

Ohh I don't even have that column

[dapper imp]

it's where wiki activity is

mine shows admin tools probably

[turbid mason]

My view tends to be more zoomed in than most desktop users, since I have low vision, so's probably a good medium ground between widescreen and mobile

[dapper imp]

oh yeah I think it removes the column completely if you zoom enough

[carmine chasm]

This is my map — please feel free to add to the wiki!

[dapper imp]

great, thank you so much!!

[turbid mason]

I do wish I could get rid of the "Popular Pages" column on the right side, it takes up so much real estate 😛

(I mean I probably could with Tampermonkey but eh)

[dapper imp]

are you logged in?

we're probably talking about the same thing, it might show different things depending on your current login status and user rights

[turbid mason]

I am not logged in, no

That's my view

[dapper imp]

oh yeah that's why you're shown popular pages there instead of wiki tools

and yeah there's a way to get rid of it

you need an account tho

[turbid mason]

Gonna guess most people just have that space taken up in their view then 😉

[dapper imp]

but if you're logged in you have that arrow in the top left corner to minimize it and it remembers your selection

[dapper imp]

yeah and that's an extremely bs design decision on the platform's part tbh

they should just make it obscured by default

so much useful page space lost for nothing

[turbid mason]

Agree

[ruby sinew]

time to refresh mark page for 999999999999 times

[dapper imp]

hm. crop profitability would be an interesting thing to explore in a separate table

[turbid mason]

Especially including artisan goods, the seed > crop ratio is a bit limiting without it

[dapper imp]

ugh also that yellow panel is awful

unfortunately fandom is the only "free" decently functional wiki platform these days

and maintaining a standalone wiki is a real pain

so we have what we have 😩

[turbid mason]

It's where everyone'll look too

Can you sneakily alter it with !important CSS? XD

[merry aspen]

Possibly against tos

[dapper imp]

it's not yellow if you're logged in

also you can do a lot but in personal user css

wiki wide changes like that are against the tos, yeah

[turbid mason]

Damn

[sudden bluff]

Yeah mine is logged in and is grey
My eyes are grateful

[turbid mason]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Empty_Cabin This is wrong - stock is consistent week to week, but I'm almost certain it changes depending on in-game achievements

Are these the stats for butter?

Cause it's sure not cotton cloth

[dapper imp]

it does. I've found what triggers all the items and will add it eventually

[turbid mason]

Hmm. What counts as "evening" as far as fish? I just caught a cod and it was about 4:40when I hooked it.

[turbid mason]

Nice!

[dapper imp]

I'm also curious. I couldn't find numbers for that in the files yet, and the weather icon only changes once at 18:00 iirc

it might be there somewhere, just not obvious or not that easy to get 🫤

[turbid mason]

Confirmed the Estuary is the sacred tree north of the lighthouse. I just caught a sardine there, and the only other location for that is the mine and the ocean dock.

[turbid mason]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Bonbon
The animals get their own pages, huh? XD

[sudden bluff]

*thunk

I'm p sure that's butter. Thank you for the catch

Shark is ... morning, afternoon? Great white

It ends at 4 pm I think
Or was it 3

[turbid mason]

😭

[novel edge]

oh my go ?????

im gonna cry ??????

[turbid mason]

I cooked wasabi + blender and got green smoothie, not wasabi paste

[dapper imp]

oh maybe the recipe higher on the list in their table has a priority

they probably didn't add an exception there as they did for smoked salmon / smoked fish 🤔

wasabi is considered a vegetable after all

a wasabi smoothie,,, yikes

now to gift it to Alice and watch her try drinking

[sudden bluff]

The really sad thing is that I kind of figured this would happen after reading the torn note involving them... T_T

[merry aspen]

i just found out that you can produce glass with stones and i already burnt all my scrap ...

[ruby sinew]

whaaat

which machine

[merry aspen]

kiln

was adding artisan to my app and saw this

tested it ingame and it works

[pulsar elk]

omg

[lusty pelican]

Omg bless you for finding that out

I didn't know how to get more sand and also didn't know you can turn rock into glass

[merry aspen]

i guess (nearly) no one did, it wasnt in the wiki and even the tips in reddit/youtube didnt show this one, at least the ones i saw

[ruby sinew]

hoping its not a bug

my 999 stones gonna be melting today

[merry aspen]

well, you have to put in real effort to make this by mistake

but on the other hand you can (according to data) make daisy honey into daisy honey so who knows

[sudden bluff]

I need you to know that I once had wasabi ice cream and it was exactly aa bad as you think

[lusty pelican]

I.... not gonna lie, I wanna try just to know how bad it is

I know there are people out there like eating spicy ice cream

(the worst one I saw is someone eating popcorn and hot sauce ice cream)

[sudden bluff]

it's REALLY WEIRD like... ice-cream is cold? but then wasabi has that sharp heat to it (i don't know how else to phrase it), so you get this sense of coolness at first but then it just burns

no i didn't pay for it lol, it was a freebie from way back when my uni was trying to get into the guinness book of records for most people eating ice-cream simultaneously

[lusty pelican]

Free ice cream I guess??? But it would be funny if Wasabi ice cream exist in coral island

Then we get to see who gonna like ut

[sudden bluff]

there's probably at least one person who would, lol
like the wasabi smoothie, I seriously wonder if Suki and Alice would appreciate it

[lusty pelican]

I would love to have a cutscene where Suki and Alice chucking down Wasabi smoothie no problem in front of everyone while the other are dying with their brain on fire from a single sip of the smoothie

[blazing oak]

For Coral Island MegaSheet, regarding unlocking the bamboo area behind the Hotspring: I've unlocked this area on Spring 2nd, Year 2, immediately after completing 4 bundles of the second altar. At that point I've only donated 163 items to the museum.

[sudden bluff]

Thank you!
Hmm. It seems to unlock with any 4 bundles?

I'm on my fourth but I'll have to wait til fall T_T

[turbid mason]

Wait. There are six bundles. Not five. Ffff - yes, mine was the fourth, NOT the third. Two bundles left. I'm an idiot.

[sudden bluff]

Ah, okay, thank you! So it is four
I'll be there soon then... two seasons away because I need to catch that rainbowfish

[hollow wadi]

There is also a new area that opens up next to the monkey shop. Belive it opened up when i got to rank B. But not much there yet +it makes a bridge between the monkeyselller and the ginseng area.

[sudden bluff]

Ohhhhh, so once you hit B it actually connects?

[lusty pelican]

Wait we can hit rank B now???

[untold dove]

did you use mods to get to rank B?

[merry aspen]

afaik its possible by buying fossils, donating as much as possible critters etc

[sudden bluff]

iirc Sunny donated just about everything possible lol

[untold dove]

people in coral gen are saying rank C is the highest rank rn without mods so i'm trying to figure out if that's true

[sudden bluff]

I think Sunny is the only one who hit rank B

i have to find that comment...

original message deleted, oh well

[hollow wadi]

I do use wemod

[hollow wadi]

I bet there are others to, but guess i am the only one that has posted about it. 🙂

[dapper imp]

there's a lot of bonuses for donating stuff, so it's theoretically possible

idk if all the bonuses are currently active tho

[sudden bluff]

hey, I'm hurt, I'm one of those 10% and I hit it in summer ;;

I was joking dw XD i'm not actually offended - but I did know how to do stuff because I played the alpha, a fresh player would have had a much harder time. i already knew in advance what to do to rush stuff, what to plant or prep early for diving etc.

[dapper imp]

oh yeah most fame bonuses aren't currently active; it would be much easier to advance in ranks for donating stuff once they enable them

[hollow wadi]

I bet that helps yes. 🙂 i would love to get some sneakpeak into all the info they gathered on fishing in alpha 🙂

[hollow wadi]

fame bonuses? Do you know any of them? Never heard of it before.

Been fishing for several realtime hours the laset 3 days without discovering 1 stupid new fish. 🙂

[dapper imp]

you don't know of them because none of them are active

[sudden bluff]

there were a lot of fish changes in and out of various alpha patches tbh, at one point every other bite was a king red arowana

[dapper imp]

they're likely there for future content. like restoring some town buildings or winning some festivals

no more pranking at the potluck like in SDV, being good brings you fame points

[dapper imp]

fancy ✨ though now we have no medium or large fish biting at all

[hollow wadi]

I belive they have screwed up on the fishing spawn. By making it high possiblity that the first fish you get is the rare one if your have the right conditions - and draw the lucky drawn on whats gone spawn that day. And in doing that they changed spawns, so even if you fish at the same location 100 cast you would not find that rare fish if you didnt get that lucky draw at start of the day.

[dapper imp]

yeah something's wrong with the fish now. oh well, hope they fix and balance it later

[sudden bluff]

dev diary has acknowledged the fish spawn is off, so there should be balancing
the mackerel invasion is too much

[dapper imp]

the spawn rate is too weighted towards small fish rn. or it's simply not working as intended

[hollow wadi]

So in prinsipal: if you fish everytime its blizzarad storm - if you dont restart the days that is but just fish the day true. And do so next time you get blizzard. You might never ever draw the lucky day that spawn that rare fish that only spawn under blizzard even if you play to year 100.

[sudden bluff]

y'know I've had snow but I didn't think I saw a single blizzard my entire Winter

[hollow wadi]

So how fishspawn is now its incuraged to just cast 3 cast - relog cast 3 cast 3 cast - relog and so on if your looking for a special fish under special weather condition. Thats just so wrong imo.

[turbid mason]

I got to rank C my first year and didn't play alpha. I've got a pretty good history with farming games in general, though, so I know what's expected, and I obsessively ground the ocean floor when it became available XD

[hollow wadi]

I have but but maybe it just had the snow symbol. But its stupidly rare. tryed true and entire winter yesterday without encountering any blizzard

[sudden bluff]

Yeah I think I've only seen one storm the entire year tbh, maybe two at most, so the weather itself might need a bit of rebalancing
Can't catch fish in the rain if you're not getting rain

[dapper imp]

yeah healing the coral gives points

[hollow wadi]

How did you get enough artifacts and other stuff in your first year without any mod?

[turbid mason]

Lots and lots of bugs, and the coffers from the ocean

Not so many fish - it took me a bit to figure out how the fishing game worked

[sudden bluff]

I ran the diving quests /three times/ in the last alpha patch, and during the final one, there was a bug where the anchor couldn't move (you would have seen people on gamepass early on mentioning this bug)

i have that map ground into my brain

[dapper imp]

I don't knowhow many points exactly you need to reach new ranks tho

[turbid mason]

I reached C just in time to plant watermelon

[dapper imp]

yeah the winter bundle is kind of unfair at this point in development

[turbid mason]

Dev diary seems to indicate they're fixing that

[sudden bluff]

actually it is possible to get enough from: black market, hoeing the beach, coffers from diving, geodes and gems esp. if you hit the second mine, and spamming bugs, because bugs are very reliable in that sense

[dapper imp]

I assume it would be easier to complete once they add those fame points or adjust things like fish spawns

[turbid mason]

It took me a while to realize the black market existed too >.>

[dapper imp]

it's supposedly a casual game but now you need at least some degree of min maxing not to be pushed a whole year back

[turbid mason]

I got the letter but I thought it meant in the lighthouse

[sudden bluff]

i upgraded my hoe just to dig up the beach for more coffers

[sudden bluff]

yeaaaaah this is the least casual I've been about a farm sim - usually I take at least two seasons to get a coop, much less cows

[dapper imp]

and I don't play those games for min-maxing, I have other games to play for the challenge 🫤

[hollow wadi]

But limited how many times you can get anything from the black market in 1 year if you dont use mod, because of the one week respawn.

[turbid mason]

I also ground the mine to the bottom of water - again, because I understand how these sorts of games work

[turbid mason]

I didn't get a cow until I saw the milk turtle 😂

[sudden bluff]

But beach for coffers isn't limited, and you can get both ornate & normal coffers

The black market is to fill in what you can't get from those

[dapper imp]

fair, but that shouldn't be a requirement to complete the first altar within one year

more like an option

[hollow wadi]

no but aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalof digging to get a stack of coffers

[turbid mason]

Yeah. I'm certain they're fixing it.

[sudden bluff]

well I mean I couldn't fish like you do lmao, so

fish is my least filled out, I respect your patience

[turbid mason]

I haven't even caught some of the big uns that are available!

No shark, no hammerhead

[hollow wadi]

oh i hate the fishing. (no fan of mingames inside the game), but i hate to not have filled up the explored field in my fish tab so i try. 🙂 But hate every min i am fishing 🙂

[sudden bluff]

yeah i agree, it's too unfair right now. i assume they are fixing it because that's like the least intuitive sesajen ever, and on top of it, watermelon takes a whopping 11 days

at least make it double-season crops or something.

[dapper imp]

or remove fall crops altogether, yeah

[sudden bluff]

@hollow wadi well that just gets you even more respect, because I'm 50% of my way to /fliptable after the second mackerel

[dapper imp]

man. I hate fishing as well and I'm so looking forward to them adding more ways to get points

[hollow wadi]

😘

[dapper imp]

I play the game to chill and not. whatever fishing is 🙃

especially with the current with spawns

[turbid mason]

Right now I play the game to collect data 😉 Contributing to the spreadsheets makes my autistic brain happy

[sudden bluff]

yeah I like getting a new fish, but the waiting game right now is really, really bad. i'm ok with the minigame but it takes ages for one to bite, and then it's a mackerel

[dapper imp]

too frustrating and in a bad way, not in "a frustrating challenge to overcome" way I prefer

[hollow wadi]

I agree. There is NOTHING relaxing or fun about the fishing. It destoy the game imo. I love everything else about the game, but fishing is just hate.

[sudden bluff]

oh yeah, I get you there, it makes my brain happy too seeing those tables filled up

[dapper imp]

same! and luckily I don't even need to play the game to get the data 😌

[turbid mason]

Pffft but sometimes the data is wrong because code is complicated 😉

[dapper imp]

sure, but that's part of the challenge

[hollow wadi]

Gator gar i used 17 real life min to fight. So in teori should not be possible in a game where every day last a few min. If did not use wemod i would have been uncontinues way before reeling it in.

[sudden bluff]

that's what checking it against the game is for XD

[dapper imp]

datamining the game is more fun than playing it in its current state

(also it's still too uncannily similar to SDV for me to fully enjoy it, but I hope it gets more of its own character later in development)

[turbid mason]

Eh, I like poking things and finding new areas and being like "WELP that doesn't work yet!"

[hollow wadi]

yeah i was wondering if i should try datamine it to, just to get more info on when the fishes spawn. 🙂

[sudden bluff]

I like discovering stuff?

[dapper imp]

yeah and that's why I ask all those stupid questions 🙃

[sudden bluff]

Like I started keeping track just because it felt like a cool adventure log

[dapper imp]

I haven't played the game much, not really

[sudden bluff]

'today I got my first osmium quality crop and it sold for this much'

[turbid mason]

Someone mined the fishy data! Did you see it?

[turbid mason]

Oh that's been fun, catching gold/osmium bugs and checking the chart to see if anyone's recorded them

[dapper imp]

the thing is they should spawn theoretically but they don't because the spawn rate for medium and large fish seems not to be working correctly

[hollow wadi]

No but wish i have.... wiki people have mined the data

[turbid mason]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/User:KoenigDerLuegner/sandbox

Fishy data

[dapper imp]

yeah

[turbid mason]

Nobody has yet caught a medium or large fish

[dapper imp]

that's datamined

[turbid mason]

So it probably don't work

[dapper imp]

but it's pointless because medium and large fish aren't spawning

[turbid mason]

Not completely pointless

[dapper imp]

plus those locations are very hard to look for in the files so it's in-game testing

[sudden bluff]

Riiiiiight? Makes my brain happy, like 'one more little piece of knowledge discovered'

[turbid mason]

Yesss

[sudden bluff]

I still keep my own sheet so I can keep it like a special journal/record

[turbid mason]

I finished the amber and aquamarine lines yesterday, got to change the word to black and sell the gems I'd been keeping!

Some Fridays I'll just reload, check the mail, bring something to Antonio, reload 🤣

[sudden bluff]

Theo sent me a sea urchin, I reloaded to a garnet from Rafael, and was like "sorry Theo, Rafael wins this hands down"

[turbid mason]

YEP

[sudden bluff]

Do we have a 'received gifts' page on the spreadsheet

[hollow wadi]

But even with all that info i cant find them. I have tryed for 3 days now to catch any of the nighttime fishes since the timeframe is smallest on them. No luck whatsoever. Caught hundreds and hundreds of fish. TRied with restarting days - change days - and tried standing still for several reallife hours on one spott without luck.

[turbid mason]

I've gotten several gold bars in the mail and gone "....well, now I have to actually keep this day"

[turbid mason]

We do! I started it!

[sudden bluff]

Oh thank you! Let me go poke at it ❤️

[dapper imp]

yes because the spawn rate seems to not be working as intended

[turbid mason]

Which fishies? Are they classified as medium/large?

[sudden bluff]

Currently about half the fish are just not catchable, even those that are recorded

[turbid mason]

It's called "Mailed Items"

[dapper imp]

all the fish are set as enabled in the files but medium and large will not spawn

[hollow wadi]

My mails dont work anymore. Never get recipes anymore. and very rarely i get some other stuff. Got 16 mail that i can not get rid of. 🙂

[turbid mason]

Ohhhh Erika sent you the bug

[sudden bluff]

I noticed that quite a few recorded ones are from trash only or mail only

[dapper imp]

I don't think there's any point in trying for them until they fix it

[sudden bluff]

like catfish are so far only bought or trash

[turbid mason]

Yepp

[hollow wadi]

Have devlopers admitted that they dont spawn?

[sudden bluff]

black phantom ghostfish all trash

[dapper imp]

there's a few fish that are trash only

[turbid mason]

Devs haven't said anything about the fish, no, this is just from what we've figured out

[sudden bluff]

to be clear I don't think they need to 'admit' anything but their dev diary has said they are rebalancing it

so they are aware

[dapper imp]

I think it was mentioned in the dev diary somewhere?

they're working on fishing distribution

[sudden bluff]

25th: Fishing distribution in progress 🎣

[dapper imp]

but yeah in the current state some fish just do not spawn and it's not under the player's control

[hollow wadi]

Yeah but that seems to be to make them more rare so the people farming shark for money acan not do that anymore.

[turbid mason]

I do think they've said directly that some fish aren't in the game yet? I always figured that was "rare legendary fish" not... medium fish 😂

[sudden bluff]

25th says distribution, so it seems that that's part of the problem

October 19th, 2022

• Fixing ore vein issue ⛏️
• Optimizing crop info
• Setup silver ore vein
• Override fog in certain areas 💨
• Start setting up wind mine area
• Updating mastery skills
• Optimize multi-chest crafting system
• Updating fishing grid zone 🎣
• Updating fishing spawns
• Updating various UI
• Updating fishing logic (No more casting on oil spill)
• Adding chance to get geode or coffer on fishing trash 🪨

this also, the 'grid zone'

[turbid mason]

It's that last line that excites me

[dapper imp]

yeah trash is very disappointing rn

it's only trash or flyers

[turbid mason]

Stupid flyers

[dapper imp]

they should spice it up

[turbid mason]

Can't even sell them cause your shipping bin is full

[sudden bluff]

it seems to be a pretty big overhaul because it's been covered over several days in the dev diary
definitely the shark needs nerfing but things like 'grid zone' and 'distribution' suggest more to me

[hollow wadi]

I am guessing some fishes are not in game yet because there will be new fishing locations later on. Like the river left of farm - great sea bass spawn there in a river. So guessing that river leads to a sea somewhere outside our current map - and water is mixed between freshwater and seawater since we can catch ocean fish there.

[sudden bluff]

the river at the north of the ginseng place, i assume you will be able to cast there eventually but right now everything I try just bounces

[turbid mason]

There are three different zones directly left of your farm, it's interesting

You can cast from the cliff south of the monkey, though

[hollow wadi]

3?

[sudden bluff]

yep, but not in the ginseng area itself, which itself is actually still not indicated on the map so likely not fully ready yet

[dapper imp]

yeah but the problem isn't with unavailable fish, it's with the fish that's already enabled for existing locations 🤷‍♀️ I hope they fix it soon

[turbid mason]

Yeah, left of your farm there's the water wheel; the cascading river across from it; and that spot with the railing RIGHT outside that appears to be ocean

[dapper imp]

anyway, folks, are there any particular characters whose lines you want to read on the wiki?

I'm going to add them for folks I'm personally interested in but maybe anyone has suggestions?

[turbid mason]

I generally prefer to discover those things in game... but I really like Mark-the-forest-bear

[hollow wadi]

No but i have been past that area (opened up when i got b) and when i got stuck in the wall there i could climt up on a cliff and there is lots of water in the next zone there.

[dapper imp]

yeah a friend asked me to take a look at Mark's lines already

(also valid ofc)

[hollow wadi]

Not me personally - never see the clips or read the lore. I skip it. he he

[dapper imp]

I doubt those newer characters have a lot of lines though

I'm surprised how many lines some characters already have though

and it's still EA

very promising

[sudden bluff]

Yeah, but a lot of areas that have water aren't fishable rn (like the mines) so anything that spawns there is unavailable

[dapper imp]

I love having good character content in games like that

the grind bores me over time but not the characters. if they're good

[turbid mason]

Saw someone a while back say they "had no reason to be interested in the characters" and... I... don't know why you would play a farming sim with a rich cast of townsfolk and not want to get to know them

Also they didn't appear to know that you get stuff and recipes in the mail from them if they like you 😛

[hollow wadi]

True. I tried the hardest to manage to fish and try it out there on the cliff, but had no luck landing it in the water. 🙂

[turbid mason]

Oh! I was able to fish off the back of the bamboo area!

[dapper imp]

well. there are different ways to play the game

[sudden bluff]

tbf also with a limited amount of cutscenes & lines in the game rn the characters might not be sufficiently appealing to many people yet

[dapper imp]

but yeah I don't get it, I'm here mostly for the characters. and maybe the grind when I'm too tired to play a challenging game

[dapper imp]

yeah right now they are clearly underdeveloped, some way more than others

[hollow wadi]

I am never interested in all the fantasy lores, but i looOoooOooOoOve farming games and other sim games. Its all the other stuff i like about them.

[dapper imp]

they just. exist and are hot and pretty

[turbid mason]

I might not marry anyone, whenever I marry someone in SDV I get bored and stop playing 😂

Like my brain says I have achieved the goal, you are done now

[dapper imp]

ha, I kind of get where you're coming from

[sudden bluff]

ah but if there's more marriage-specific interactions...?

also I tend to achieve every other goal before marrying someone admittedly so it's like, once I pick a bachelor/ette i'm just 'ok done'

[turbid mason]

I never managed to get the "have two children" achievement because it takes so longggg after you get married

[dapper imp]

tbf they didn't have much post marriage content in sdv for a long while

also I don't really like the selection of LIs in sdv

[turbid mason]

LOL some of them are.... disappointing

[sudden bluff]

I have like three playthroughs in RF4 T_T

four, actually

two halfway done

[dapper imp]

most of them for me 🙃

just. not hitting the right buttons. or making me try to save them

ugh I hate being a savior

[sudden bluff]

I am actually hoping for a NG+ beyond just transferring save games between patches because this game has a lot of non-character content and I will probably burn out if I have to redo every single thing from scratch

[dapper imp]

I've married quite a few of them for science though 😅

just. didn't like the most

[turbid mason]

Married Haley, she was super unhappy. Married ...drunk chicken boy, whatsisname, he remained a horrible mess

Shane

[dapper imp]

Shane

also realistic

marriage won't cure his depression

[turbid mason]

Didn't even bring his blue chickens /sniff

[sudden bluff]

the routine gets pretty calming, doesn't it? like you find something cool and calming, it's like a great wind-down game

[dapper imp]

in my experience Alex actually made the best househusband

dumb, very into the farmer, and makes great breakfasts

[turbid mason]

I hated Elliot and never even became friends with him ever. I have a similar reaction to Antonio 😛

He's just so... haughty

[sudden bluff]

I met Antonio, saw his white flamingo shop cutscene, and went 'yeah I get why the divorce happened'

[turbid mason]

But I'm always glad to see characters that I'm super not into because other people will be into them

Wakuu bores me

Chaem and Macy are hot as hell

[hollow wadi]

Coral island game? Sure it should be calming but the fishing scew things up. 🙂

[dapper imp]

oh yeah, his romantic lines made my teeth rot

[sudden bluff]

I'm always happy to acknowledge when other people are wrong /WHACKED
(my reaction to Wakuu at first: ok he's good looking but so what
Raj: 'the astrophysicist Wakuu'
me: HE'S A WHAT, I MUST DATE THIS MAN)

[turbid mason]

"Oh dear, a little crab seems to have made his home in my shirt pocket!" SHUT UP ELIOT GOD

[dapper imp]

he's a what

[sudden bluff]

Oh, I meant the farming sim genre in general!

[dapper imp]

okay that gave him so many points

[sudden bluff]

he's an astrophysicist

[dapper imp]

when will he get content though

[turbid mason]

Yeah, he's always up by the observatory

[sudden bluff]

he instantly went from 'okay' to 'PLEASE MARRY ME' on my CI love interest ranking

[turbid mason]

I actually like Wataru a lot 🤣 and I'm sad you can't marry some of the older people

[sudden bluff]

if you look at his jewellery it's also space-themed, and there's a bunch of space stuff in both his rooms

[dapper imp]

yeah I love the STEM folks

and Surya vaguely reminds me of my irl husband

[turbid mason]

The only thing that interests me about Surya is he BLUSH

[dapper imp]

there's also Scott the pathetic frat boy

[sudden bluff]

Surya is also very high on my list
I would like Scott more if he didn't have such frat boy vibes

[turbid mason]

Oh, and Millie! My fat, organized darling!

[dapper imp]

yeah his blushing portrait is one of the best in game 😩

[hollow wadi]

aha! yes i agree its should be relaxing with alot of exploring and some achivemtents. +getting a feeling we achive something like getting upgrades or open up new areas. Love the genre, and allways on the lookout for the next in the genre. 🙂

[dapper imp]

I would've liked Scott more if he shaved

[turbid mason]

Scott is a disasterrr

[dapper imp]

a friend has shaved him for me and I died a little

[sudden bluff]

saaaame. wait ok probably should not jump to details of other farming sims in a CI discord but i think quite a few are coming out

[dapper imp]

he's pathetic and that's his appeal to me ngl

[turbid mason]

I want Bree and Dinda /sad sigh

[dapper imp]

yeah Bree is very

[sudden bluff]

and yeah I like the mid-game in some of these where you feel like you've REALLY made progress? and then you can still discover a lot of stuff without feeling you're constantly on the edge of being flat broke

[hollow wadi]

Actually i prefer games in the genre where i dont have the bounderies that daylength and sleeping is involved - but i do play games like coral island and sdv +harvest moon types just to get the other aspects of the game. But when i find and app that can controll the timer/day i love it even more because then sleeping is not so much hassle. 🙂

[turbid mason]

Most of the boys just scrawny.... but Rafael and Mark are lovely ❤️

[turbid mason]

Ever played Don't Starve? You build up your home base and such and there are days but you can not only eliminate nighttime entirely, you never have to sleep

[sudden bluff]

I miss my Rune Factory sleeptimes
sleep at 5:59 wake at 6 am PERFECTLY REFRESHED.

[hollow wadi]

is it a steam game?

[turbid mason]

Yep!

[dapper imp]

don't starve is hard 🙃

[turbid mason]

You can make it easier! And you don't even need mods!

[dapper imp]

it's been years since I've played though

[hollow wadi]

Thanks for the tip. Will write it down and check it out when i get tired of coral island. 🙂

[turbid mason]

I usually go into the settings and make it easier on myself, get rid of some of the more annoying mobs and increase resources

[dapper imp]

many years

[turbid mason]

No hecking... Santa stealing your stuff because you killed too many animals

[dapper imp]

but it does that thing where it throws you into the world with zero explanations

[turbid mason]

@sudden bluff you get naughty points for killing animals and if you build up too many of them, the anti-Santa shows up as a boss monster

[dapper imp]

and while I love it in soulslikes a lot l'd rather have at least the basic mechanics explained in a crafting / management game

[turbid mason]

-pokes Coral Island- They'll get better XD

[sudden bluff]

WELP. that's terrifying

[dapper imp]

hey, coral island is so much like sdv I don't need it explained 😆

[turbid mason]

It's gotta appeal to people new to farming sims too!

[sudden bluff]

i didn't play SDV so some things were completely confusing to me
like giant crops, I was so shocked when my watermelon exploded into a shower of normal watermelons

because I was used to being able to harvest giant crops, they were considered a thing on their own

[dapper imp]

giant crops are supposed to be a surprise

[turbid mason]

The mill/silo is... awkward and completely unexplained

[sudden bluff]

like I thought I would ship a giant watermelon, not... suddenly have 22 normal watermelons

[dapper imp]

yeah but since it's EA I expect them to get better

[turbid mason]

Pinata watermelon

[dapper imp]

don't think it's intentional

[sudden bluff]

I think the issue with the mill right now is that the description doesn't match what it's supposed to do, it says 'process into grain'

[dapper imp]

in don't starve it's basically. an intentional game mechanic

[hollow wadi]

Ooooooooooooooo i see the new wiki fish pages that was linked here now, had more info then earlyer today. Now there is info on where they spawn to. Yahoooo! Thanks for sharing - and now off to fish some more. 🙂

[sudden bluff]

I actually initially bought it thinking I could try to process stuff into flour, thank gods I did NOT go for the silo first

[turbid mason]

I think that's common in survival games. You're supposed to die several times while you figure it out.

[dapper imp]

yep. that's partly why I'm not a huge fan of the genre

too much actual management with too little explanations

[turbid mason]

Fair!

[dapper imp]

does anyone happen to have a screenshot of a letter with an item attached?

any would do

[turbid mason]

Hm, I can have one soon, I'm more than halfway through a day

-squints- Rude, Jim

[dapper imp]

hmm

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Letter

how does that look?

[turbid mason]

Looks right to me

[dapper imp]

the colors are a bit off because the background would be too light on white

[dapper imp]

hmm or maybe not, switched them to match in game

thanks!

[turbid mason]

Oh man, the reset of my name also reset my honorific

Rude

[dapper imp]

yeah the number could be smaller on template

ugh it'll probably look awful on mobile

okay not awful but needs a few tweaks

hmm actually decent

[dapper imp]

okay where do we want those gifts? I can put a list on friendship page. and maybe individual gifts and letters on individual event pages?

idk if it makes sense to look for them under events 🤔

[sudden bluff]

I don't think they're events though

Character pages? For letters

[turbid mason]

I think... people will be looking for gifted items to see what they can get, rather than by individual character

[dapper imp]

the text would be too much actually

[turbid mason]

Friendship?

[dapper imp]

I'd put the items on character page and the text somewhere on a subpage

yeah the friendship will have them all

[sudden bluff]

Right, subpage!

[dapper imp]

can we get a gift from the same npc for two weeks in a row?

or twice within one week

[turbid mason]

I'm pretty sure? I know that you can reload the day and get a new roll on the mail table..

Do you know if you get friendship points for poking someone when they're busy, like in SDV where you get half points even if they ignore you?

[dapper imp]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Friendship#Gifts_to_the_player
dumping it here rn

[turbid mason]

The data on the sheet isn't necessarily accurate to the season jsyk

[dapper imp]

unfortunately no, those rp gains aren't the easiest to tell

[dapper imp]

you mean the megasheet? I'm not using that

[turbid mason]

Oo

[dapper imp]

I have other ways

[turbid mason]

more accuracy

Now that you have the location of those, is it easy to find if something is ever sent as a gift?

[dapper imp]

yeah I'll add them all eventually

[sudden bluff]

Huh
Pumpkin is listed as a vegetable, but when I used it in a recipe, it became a smoothie instead of a green smoothie

[hollow wadi]

hm.. They have lowered the difficulty of Hammerhead with aaalot. Got him one first try this time without much trouble.

[sudden bluff]

O_O sneak change during the fix?

[hollow wadi]

seems so. Now i need to try the impossible other one 🙂

[dapper imp]

wait it's a fruit

its assigned category is a fruit

[hollow wadi]

hehe they havent fixed the impossible winterfish at the boat

[sudden bluff]

ah then it's an ingame bug, ingame it says vegetable

also does anyone know what time exactly correlates to morning/afternoon/evening/night

because the night sign shows up at 1800, but i caught a damselfish at exactly 1800

[dapper imp]

in the collections list?

[dapper imp]

hmm I wonder where it gets this

the category it has assigned is fruit, I don't think it even has a vegetable tag. okay maybe in the item list? but it's a fruit for keg and for gifting

so it's a fruit mechanically

[turbid mason]

Weeird

Wonder what it counts for in Sam's quest

[dapper imp]

I can take a look later. but my guess would be fruit

[hollow wadi]

Not sure what time the game use, but i use: morning: 6-12, afternoon 12-17, evening 17-22, night 22-6. To make the chanse i hit the game times i pick a time in the middel of the range.

[sudden bluff]

ah, that makes sense
wow that makes the night frame veeeery tiny

[hollow wadi]

yeah

[sudden bluff]

...okay that's DEFINITELY weird
lol
i was save scumming for gifts, and there was no mail - not even the cherry blossom festival one I received at first

[hollow wadi]

know the problem... my gifts and recipes have almost stopped. they showed up more and more seldom, and now they are almost none at all.

[sudden bluff]

oh, no - I got a mail from Theo + the cherry blossom one
save scummed
both missing
now I have salad from Yuri - and still no cherry blossom mail

recipes are fixed and once-off so I'm not surprised they run out, I wonder about the gifts though

[hollow wadi]

Problems started after i got the hair-pin mail thingy... and it accumulate for every time she sends it - i now have 16 mails i cant read or open. Guessing they are all the hairpin except one that i was mailed an item because my inventory was full...

[turbid mason]

Oh yeah, whenever I get Erika's bug mail I reset

[hollow wadi]

how many recipes have you gotten?

[turbid mason]

Lionfish ONLY shows up in the evening so it looks like that would be the best one to test for that time frame

Rare, though...

Ooh, angelfish is morning and afternoon so that could dictate the cutoff point for afternoon > evening - unless they overlap

[hollow wadi]

I got 24 recipes. Been ages since i recived last.

[sudden bluff]

great white shark is also morning/afternoon and stops at 4 pm
so that might imply that evening actually starts at 4

[sudden bluff]

not that many tbh, only four so far

[hollow wadi]

yeah they might have different gametime then realtime messures, to compensate for the sleeping time

ok

Its a tad strange that the game dont give any info on what time of day it is other then the clock. Atleast i have not found anywhere it mention timeframe on morning, afternoon, evening, night. Should be easy to add to the calendar. Like: Festival at evening bla bla bla. then we would learn what was evening.

[sudden bluff]

Yeah, it doesn't, it just gives you a clock time and that's it

[turbid mason]

I now have three "bait meats" from Kira... she's like "I found this in the cavern. I have no use for it. Here, have my trash."

[sudden bluff]

Huh, I wonder if it's supposed to be crafted into bait or if it IS bait, just a different kind

[dapper imp]

maybe it's crafted into bait like it's in sdv

[sudden bluff]

i also feel like my farmer would eat it.

[dapper imp]

my farmer would eat anything

[hollow wadi]

yeah i read it somewhere that it was craftet into bait. cant remember what machine tho

[dapper imp]

I love that when Scott asks us about our favorite flowers, we can tell him we don't like them because they don't taste great

[sudden bluff]

'can't be worse than the ball of goo, the wasabi smoothie, and the whole raw sea urchin' - my farmer

[dapper imp]

what a great three course dinner. a tulip would make a great dessert

[hollow wadi]

bait is in game - its just rare. If you dont use wemod that is. 🙂

[sudden bluff]

does it even work though?

like i mean, you can use it, but it might not have any effect?

[hollow wadi]

i think so. i can add it in equpment, and it get used up.

But no way to check if it got any effect nope

Had to laugh of the blue dahlia. Guess one of the developers love dahlia (like myself) - and know alot are trying to breed blue dahlias but none have had any luck yet with that color. 🙂

[turbid mason]

Add it in equipment?

[sudden bluff]

Oh, I didn't know that! I want a blue rose now too ;;
(Also I can't get over the orchid seeds being so... gigantic, orchids have tiny seeds)

[turbid mason]

I haven't been able to do anything with the bait. I can try using the bait meat on my machines...

[hollow wadi]

yes

[dapper imp]

it shouldn't be useable

[sudden bluff]

@turbid mason this slot

[dapper imp]

the machines don't just take any item and process it using uhh its group rules, they can only make recipes that are in their list

[turbid mason]

Nope, can't put the bait meat into the machines

[dapper imp]

if an input item has no recipe assigned the machine would not eat it

[turbid mason]

I even tried the weird ones 😉

[turbid mason]

Huh! I didn't know you could put stuff there

[sudden bluff]

Oh
The wasabi paste got fixed

[turbid mason]

When??

There... wasn't an update between when I tried it and now

[sudden bluff]

I have no clue, possibly the hotfix?

[dapper imp]

there was an update a bit ago

yesterday or the day before?

maybe it was that

[turbid mason]

Wasabi + blender, right?

[dapper imp]

no more wasabi smoothies for the farmer 🥲

[sudden bluff]

Yep