#codm-gunsmith-help
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Man
Msmc loadout for br?
Operator?
Why rubberized
Less recoil
why operator fg
Better bsa
Can use Gran too
Cr56 with semi auto build
Ruins the rest of teh gun
Yes
Either way, Bsa doesn't matter on Fennec
exactly
Cuz you aren't gonna use it past 20m. Already has 5+ bsa
Rubberized to Operator literally takes away bsa downside but ok
rubberized gives recoil control and doesn't fuck up ur mobility
u dont need bsa attachments on a fucking fennec u aint gonna fucking crossmap w it
only map where u will crossmap is shipment
+8 ads time fucking up your mobility?
Am I the only one who uses fennec in 30 meters 
It's only 1 frame
Yeah exactly
Even if you do, it isn't worth it. Damage is absolutely horrendous and Inconsistent
it's v recoil got nerfed
Do whatever I guess
and same applies for the range
Still doesn't matter much
long barrel helps w bsa anyways
Tho I still kill with it 4/5 out of the times 
Yea true. Movement speed also doesn't matter on that gun as it's a passive type
Shots to kill goes up to 6

Maybe even 7, i don't know. I haven't used it in a while except in BR
Good??????
yeah
ew wtf
ik but 
@opaque heath it is 11 shots to kill 
At 30m
If you try to hit upper body
You'll most likely hit hands
What
the build 
What's the problem
LMAO i just realized that doesnt even have no stock
Ok and?
here he goes with the lame comebacks
Lmao, you guys don't understand crap
sure
yeah we dont pls tell us why are u using a fennec build without no stock
Stippled has 15% stf speed upside, helps with Fennecs Lmg level sprint to fire speed. Something you should be concerned with on an SMG
You have mf flinch on fennec already, with no stock it's even worse. Commit MIP light
toughness exists
You don't need more movement speed on it tbh. Base is already great and mag only reduces it by 1%
While you can have Cold-blooded or Quick fix? Sure

Stippled isn't even a must. You can use MiP light for ads time
that's like saying my sniper has a lot of flinch w fast ads builds, lets switch to the slowestass build
I recommended it for stf speed
ok
Sniper isn't even to be used for full aggressive
Fennec isn't great for Versatility
Snipers are
yeah it's not like some sniper mains use it
You can go no toughness and full mobility outlaw
Against bots

Come on, no arguments?
I was having fun

I still use it and kills them in 30 meters 
yeah i kinda gave up on ya
460ms ttk at 30m. Cringe

How DID THIS HAPPENED!!?
Cuz I won
Still I get killz
OHH sorry
maybe coz u are master ranked
I am Gm 1 is wrong with you?
Ok, gimme FR556 loadout 
No Ur Mom got me to gm1
Discord is drunk. Istg
cringe
WTF!!?
Didn't you saw my next messages?
Bruh, @urban socket. Mad cringe reactions. Just tell us the doubt you have
I'll answer them

wht? 
I gave up too fighting you

I saw the reaction on my good build comment
See, mono Marksman on every gun isn't good ok?
Yes they are not good on guns
81%
But they are good on PHARO
PHARO is luv
He mustn't be used to these types of builds. Fergs look absolutely different compared to us. So mf is confused
Yup. 17m one burst potential with mono Marksman
Ferg!?
PHARO is luv
Bro don't use fergs builds
Well, you can see he's in Fergs server. And also he doesn't like the builds which are actually recommended by Gunsmith helpers
Ferg doesn't know a Fuck about Gunsmith allowed
Ferg builds are so cringe they wrap around to being based
Yes
I mean. I'll ignore the mono Marksman and everything. But he used DrH without Otm in one video

Yes IMAGINE mono on chopper with heavy handle
Or Hs0405 and R-90 with mono
And Shorty with mono
He used Strike stock for the qq9
This is a disrespect for the luvly qq9
Stippled on drh
I'll ignore that too. Qq9 has bad flinch
Yup. That's bad
Hmhm
He used tactical suppressor on a FUCKIN ak47
What's wrong with that
I am watching Fergs stream
I know its cringe but still
He said that he can't win against The ppl using mx9 because they are abusing it

Without a barrel and with strike stock
Bruh
Best smg and rifle for br?
mx9 and ak47
But mx9 got nerfed in br?
if u use long shot mod then it doesn't matter
np
This my ak for br
Really bad
Mono suppressor, Ranger barrel, red dot, Strike stock and Extended mag
Cordite's hipfire is op
It's alright. Bsa is a main factor in BR, so make sure to use accuracy attachments more
Okay ty, do u have mx9 loadout too for br?
can someone give me a drh build
Extended barrel, 5mw combat laser, Marathon stock, Infiltrator foregrip and Large caliber
Ty
Ranger barrel, Tac laser, No stock, Granulated griptape and Otm mag
hello
Bye bye
Hola amigo
Mip light, Combat stock, 6x, .300 mag and Tac foregrip/FMJ
π
Why not light barrel
Suppression I guess?
i like it suppressed, besides ive given you replacements above
I'm blind
Rate this. Questions will be answered
you built for quickscope? well the aim sway on it is terrible. and less damage range
Quickscope? There isn't a single ads time attachment

lightweight barrel?
if im not wrong long barrel increases damage range more
yes, it has a lot of ads downsides but it simply doesnt matter
Yea, and you can use it. I feel lightweight is better
Opinions?
and stopping power works better in br. 13 mag is good but the extra damage could make it better
Good
π
Stopping power has fire interval downside. You can get faster ttk with default one by just spamming
Take this as an example. DrH has more damage but less rof. So missing shots isn't forgiving and in chance, you can get slower ttks
But Fennec has low damage and faster ttk. As missing shots is more forgiving because of super fast rof
And there isn't many chances of you getting really slow ttk
π why are u teaching me
yea well i still dont know stuff about gunsmithing
ik 
ik
Btw, nice pfp
ty 
Sad that it won't get a season 2
ohk
cuz i saw some random google news saying the anime gets some continuation for the novel
I tested it out and it's strafe speed is nice
It's default Strafe is great. You can make it better by using light stock
This is what I use, glad I'm not the only one that uses rds
What's the rytec base range btw
It should say it in the pins
Good
Infinite for MP I think
Just like the other Snipers
Like for example the dlq doesn't drop in damage for 230 something meters
51 m
Nope. Not true
I fucking wish
Yea I know I'm new with the swordfish and I haven't used it much but are these 3 attachments good
Holger is rlly good yea
Replace mono with light barrel
There is not rlly a single best gun tho
Thx guys
I use mono because I perfer it
Also this is before weapon mastery so it's still say max
I tried peacekeeper mid range, but the recoil is just too much
Don't use halberd in mp btw
Regular mag duh
5mw laser instead of Tactical suppressor if you don't mind unsuppressed
default ak47 actually good
In BR
no
Yes
no
Reason?
it has like no recoil anyways 
Oh well, you aren't wrong 
I got 24 kills in ranked deathmatch
Your performance doesn't matter
0 recoil π₯Ά
Same like fennec amirite
I don't use smgs
AK47 in MP π
AK47 and M4 in BR π
lol
nah
Skill issue
Nope. Consistent 10 shot no recoil is great
M4 rocks, skill issue
Bruh what skills?π
Skill issue
Fire rate tho
It's actually good. Not bad at all
ohhh no slow gun bad!?
skill issue
wtf is that
Ew no
Walmart MK2
Why are you like this
Yes

Uwu
This is better
Lmaoo
Why did they even add shoulder stocks lmao
Outlaw but it's not
They look cool
The wooden one at least
Nope
Tac laser, Stippled griptape, Combat Stock, Stopping Power and Optic/SoH
So is 5.45 worth using?
Yea
In MP, yes, in BR no
For short range yes Long Nope
It's really the only way to use the AK effectively in MP
I was joking yk
Unless you wanna use it only for range
I mean. Stopping power in the whole isn't better
8 round is the best one
οΎ
I use sks with no ads π
Ye
Suitable builds?
Mip light, No stock, Tac foregrip, Granulated griptape and Tactical suppressor
@dapper dagger animated pfp when?
My Nitro is running out in 2 days anyways
I had one for 2 weeks already
I mean
just keep 1 till it ends
We don't have animated makima yet no?
once it ends no more animated pfps
I use na45 no ads π
Make this sniper better

Sussy
π
anyways the meta build of this channel 
DL Q33 builds?
Sussy
light suppressor
light barrel
combat stock
tactical laser
soh
5mw to headshot slow
Top tier build
π³ best confirmed
confirmed by vikash and dorito 
mu build is meta cuz it isn't running compensator or stippled 
No stability while crouching/proning,
B A D

Your build is almost half serious
Holger
give a loadout to kill mx9 spammers
Any gun from further than 20meters
Good movement
Sniper MSMC
the only thing this gives me flashbacks of is csgo
I was in such a good mood I was hitting good snipes and then

Just looking at the word akimbo gives me PTSD from the fennec and the one tap deagle
Deagle is still one tap
π
heavy emphasis on good
Heavy emphasis on autism
You'd be lucky to get a kill past 5m with it now
When eninmies used to abuze with akimbo fennec but we didn't get sad because we again abuzed them back with akimbo fennec
ikr such a bad pistol
No gun can make Mx9 skilled user go cry cry
I think everyone on the game was crying Abt Akimbo fennec when it was meta
I was weeping
Anyway 357
Bsa
MX9 and skill don't go together in a sentence
One gas grenade and thermite can
any gks builds for camo grind
bsa
it does, if the sentence is sarcastic
You need as much BSA on shorty as possible
I tend to use combat for extra ads
Mmmmmmmmmmmm
thankq
Ur welcome
What skin?
aah got the steady stock thing
Kitsune
I am mx9 user I have pretty good skills
Remember when the asm10 was the best gun in the game for like a day
Ah yes
Then the man became meta
Herald of destruction
Asthma 10 was a more fun meta than MX9 and all that dumb shit
They reduced the mag and I think after that man was meta
Just the mag?
Hmhm
Just hipfiring and shooting at the speed of a fuckin' private jet makes u good
So I am god
Yeah cause it was not broken to the point where other guns are obsolete
@rich arch YOO
I use some other guns too
Holger, persistence, katana, thermite
This game falls deeper into the hole every update
GGs
My respect for you goes down tenfold if you even have one mastery level on the MX9
I just reached grandmaster
I have gold what does that mean
@rich arch
And I still haven't gotten gold camo for MX
I don't use Holger and that perk and the katana
Yeah same
I don't even have it past lvl 20 iirc
I am on diamond
Nvm
Honestly bro. I use my favorite guns and I hate even picking up a meta gun
Fuck mx9
All my homies main chicom 
I do have to admit, I like using the Holger sometimes.
Ok
Hells yes
The best SMG
I have mastered icr chopper dlq mx9 and ....
Itβs ok to use them sometimes, but if you rely on them solely to win games, then just delete the game
YOO
Chicom mains 
Bro Pharo rules the land
I have diamond tier on this now
kilo
Mx9 is mostly used for kill confirmed matches
Just need 500 more gun points to get master on qq9
But currently holding it
Chad load out
Star struck
That skin is bad
Heretic

Do any Chicom skins have different irons?
@frank marsh Wtf is that Man O war loadout?
Chicom - cqb does I think
Cuz base chicom has shitty sights
for bsa and longer ranges
is actually good idk what u on about
Ok
@frank marsh 
You could've used even Strike stock
π
I see it on every MoW build
Yes 40% Range
And u can adjust The ads time
wow blastem ignored me, sadge
Maybe not good for mobility build tho
manowar is supposed to be played like a lmg, killing mobility for it isnt gonna impact much
That's because it used to be great before they nerfed it to shit and people won't wanna change it
I mean...I literally use the ranger grip on it myself but huge supp just feels like a bunch of downsides for nothing
And huge is ugly as shit
yes it exists
yea
Ah yes
The gae bath build
Combat stock, disable, tac laser, ranger grip, granulated grip
Then mono could be a good middle ground for a quicker build right?
Agreed from the start
Imagine using disable instead of a mag lmao
Bc bath build gae
it can but for 4stk even at long range huge suppressor would be a better option
Half of them suck tbh
His msmc build is a bruh moment
Yeah, but you'd pretty much have to camp for the majority of the game
Path
Mmmmm that Chicom game felt good
I talk on this server more than I play the game tbh
Swordfish < chicom or chicom < swordfish??
Swordfish better


hmm
swordfish sucks ass


It's decent in br


Too slow for mp tho I agree on that
then again
wellβ¦.
In br you can use most, if not all guns with certain builds
aslong you hide and get into last 10


I remember I was playing with my friend and I had a 24 kill win with a revolver 

what I tend to do is just use my shovel and practice close range dodge skills on bots in br, kinda funny bashing em over the head 
one with a loadout 
Imagine using red dot
ok
Better than holo opticsβ οΈ
Exactly
Lk's iron sight is SOOO GOOD
Amen
I use one on spr, helps with aiming 
imagine using reddot

imagine suggesting a reddot π
Imagine Zeph not roasting in this server 
Iβve got the Viking and the CQB for the LK so sights arenβt necessary
Asval because too small
Any shotgun iron sight
M13 sometimes
m13 mythic with built in dot π€
I am gonna name my qq9
Le_DΓ©chiqueteuse
cool
I love it when noobs call it ''p2w'' 
Imagine not "Imagine"-ing
Anyone know what imma saying
translation?
Lmao
but I donβt have 500 dollars to spend on a gun cosmetic Β―_(γ)_/Β―
fortunately it's only half of that 
Point still stands Iβm broke 
it do be like that sometimes 
The_Shredder
like..
Or I can name it
#legendboi#8073
Too
what us that anti ping Method 

@gray solar
I still pinged

Breh
Disagreed
can i get loadout for holger with classic red dot?
Why
@gray solar hru?
Yes
Mip light, Tac laser, Tac Suppressor, No stock and Red dot
Stop with your jokes. Mf, they aren't even funny. Why even am I calling it a joke

@urban socket gud
Which gun should i use to still win with 2/4 kills teammates?
that's good to hear π«

did elmo actually ping someone
cry about it

Reason: Duplicated text
π
π
Only gun you need to get Dubs.
OP
When do we get this Activision?
do different guns have different hitboxes?
why do people say dlq has a good hitbox like what does that even mean
Dlq has better damage for hitboxes. It one shots to lower torso and crotch. Locus and Arctic can't do that
This is viable and I can still be good with this
Hi
ahh okay thanks β€οΈ
ranger fg to assault tactical
Irrelevant
u dont need ranger fg
coz it already has p good recoil
What's wrong with having great bsa and in fact have lesser recoil to be able to engage in range fights better?
why not go with assault tactical instead
Flinch reduction is near to useless, no recoil nothing and lesser upside compared to Ranger for bsa
u dont need recoil upsides tho?
Why not
it already has p good recoil
Doesn't mean you shouldn't. It has fast rof and good accuracy. Why not make it better by reducing the recoil
It's a beam
Make it easier to beam
After all, ads time doesn't matter in br and it's for mid to long range
why do u need ranger fg then? it already got good recoil lmao
Bruh
I just said
It's a beam
Make it easier to beam then
By reducing the recoil as much as you can
it's already easy-

Then make it easier
That's what I'm saying
Precise shot mod, Extend mod and long range mod
To make it even better at range work
So good to see @rich arch getting defeated in a argue after soooo long
Zeph (when PathWithDaDrip didn't joined) was the greatest of all time roasting ppl with bad builds not finally getting defeated
And literally no one can beat @dapper dagger

If you're Path, Cygnoux or any one of the members from Round table. You can beat me
Wdym heβs really good
Naahhhhhh
Luffy Enthusiast
Chad
Anyways, who's up for an argument
Come on.
Leaked (Possibly)
Did you get this from some one called XVII?
Maybe
Wdym maybe?
No!!!
Cuz maybe 
The only meta
Gunsmith + It's fun
Trash. Buff it's damage range and reload speed
Damage overall tho
Hitmarker, even demo expert wonβt work
And direct hit
Itβs rng ig or nah
Wot
Bruh, it one shots only matters. Just increase the range from 2 to 3.5 or 4
Yeah range and splash range sucks
Metres btw
Def need to expand them
Oh wait yea. Splash radius is what I meant. Range is alr
Not mine but this is the better meta
SHEEESH
Ok let's argue nowwww
π« π« π«
Nice nice
Valid drip
PathWithDaDrip approves
π

Ikr
I remove it
Use Ranger foregrip instead of barrel and Disable instead of Sleight of hand
Why ranger foregrip? Even tho mow is passive, why
Ranger foregrip for recoil jumps and bsa
We normally do
Huge Suppresser
Light short barrel
Gran tape
Tact laser
Ok
Farthest 4 shot range in ars, BY DEFAULT
Strafing + Ads
Why do you need it
Movement speed downside
And strafing
That's why Ranger foregrip, and have tac laser and combat stock to counter the downside
No
Yes actually
Meta build for qxr no longer uses marksman
Depends
P sure ranger also has strafe and movement speed downsides
Like QXR suppresser, u can without it. Unless u want the mw2019 build
Nah, it actually is
Light > with mono
Not movement speed. Only Strafe
Nvm just strafe and ads time
Yeah u can't balance the strafe with combat stock and tac laser
Use light stock for strafe
But you can balance ads time to be almost 1 frame faster than default. Strafing isn't much relevant for long range anyways
And anyways, if you think about it. You're gonna lose to Mx9 anyways
Well if u r going for a range build why not stack bsa lmao
Bsa is like spreading out hit scan
I am. Tac laser, Granulated griptape, Ranger foregrip and Combat stock is the only negative bsa attachment
Low level build:
Steady stock
Light short barrel
Gran tape
Soh perk
5mw laser
Btw mow is getting vertical recoil adjust, meaning easier to control
Why even have low level lmfao. Just play Shipment and ranked everyday. Enough to get 2 guns leveled up with cards only
Itβs an early build if not enough cards, just use it
Hmmm
Not always max level builds

Just if not enough cards and not max, use it
Then later change it if max
Simple solution
I need a mx9 (meta) loadout
Fuck no
What gun are we speaking of?
Man o war
Mowr
Built in silence barrel, Infiltrator foregrip, Large caliber, agile stock and Rustle griptape
Ok
@dapper dagger never give ppl mx9 builds next time
Lol
Good ol' lawnMOWer
Ah yes
U know mx9 is gay
Yea
Ppl using our build will be like we are the reason ppl will use it
So gay
wtf is that
Aim assist laser is the most useless attachment on that gun
Mx9?
nah
Sniper?
Aim assist laser doesn't even give aim assist
Sword fish?
man's using mx9 with infil fg and aim assist laser
Big sad
I mean, ads time is decent without any of the griptapes. But Mans using Aim assist laser on it instead
Imma kick back in with next season cuz great updates

i like how ferg legit solo got all the hardscopers to change their green perk to toughness
Bsa on smgs really donβt matter
exactly π
Sometimes
Marksman barrel to light short barrel and gran tape to tac laser
Plus, MX9s bsa is 5.20 something. Enough to beam at 40m

Ok
You do want a bit of BSA control on QXR or GKS
Ty
shit's got busted bsa and recoil
Both 2 do
only gks
GKS is icr but smg
yeah with a bad bsa
Sadly
score
Try my GKS.
Mono suppressor, Marksman barrel, Tac laser, Granulated griptape and Combat stock
QXR only has 3.69
It's actually decent
Eh..
Extended 30m 4 shot. Try it
Intergral barrel
Combat stock
Any mag size
Tact laser
Gran tape
I don't get why No Stock isn't on GKS
qxr doesn't need bsa attachments, i personally use short barrel no stock tac laser eb and mono
Bruhhhhhhhhhhh
flashguard is just to make it viable at like mid range
dont tell me u use qxr at range with bsa after eb nerf
Damn finally. Thank goodnesss
eb literally reduces ur range
ight im done
LMFAO
Change Strike to Tac and Extended Mag to EB
STOP USING STRIKE FOREGRIP
Thatβs bleh
btw ferg uses strike foregrip + mono on holger
Itβs a mid range gun like cordite

Yea, it's more of a fun build
He doesn't even use No stock on Holger.
Russ has No Stock attachments, that don't mean shit
LMAO what
Cordite is a bullpup anyway
Rus is short-mid
Yea ikr
Ask Activision why then
Cuz logic
Wdym
Btw Rus has the highest bsa score in the entire game
hold my sniper
How do you think 3.55 BSA is long range

Mobility stack it and you still have beaming ability till 50m
oh also
I said mid not long
Well, they don't have bsa, soo......
My goals are beyond your understanding
Why you hating? He would probably clap u anyways
oh it's a ferg fanboy
Idk people use want they want
Not Hating. laughing at stupidity
I donβt even watch him π
^
I mean if it works for him and he wins with it, itβs not so stupit
also majority of my "hate" msgs are coz he's suggesting those loadouts that are built specifically for his playstyle
I agree with that
and specifically for his playstyle
means campy, and most ppl dont play like that
like who tf will camp with a qxr with enhanced bold rn
But he usually shows 2 loudouts
no he doesn't
Right? Idk
He puts literally no effort in making builds. Mono, Marksman, Tac laser, Granulated griptape and any extended mag. Done
I havenβt watch him in a while
π
broski's using fennec without mono
But he wins with it right?
like bro atleast use mono on guns that use mono
u still dont understand what i just mentioned do u
Doesn't mean they are the best. Literally more than half the playerbase watches his videos
I meant just this week he nuked 2 pro players and last week won a br tournament, so yeah works for him
With an MX9
hardscopers using amped after ferg's sniper video

You can win the hardest of Gunfights with a no attachment MX9
The other guy was using mx9 too
"I don't even watch him π "
Anything else?
It was on a codm youtube channel I watch
Your argument is invalid π
basically watching his content 
They were both using mx9
Not his channel
Bro, Ferg literally had to only hold angles
Nothing else
he fucking camps with mx9s 
Still nuked 2 pro players
didnt he almost get nuked by grizz from stamina
Saturnzz and Turu had to spawn in and try a way to stop the streak or play obj
Idk
Do you even know who they are?
Yes
Who?
I even know turu from rules of survival
aw ur youtuber doesn't upload the videos which show how bad ferg is
And who's Saturnzz
And noah too
I donβt know much about that one but he is a pro player
I saw hin in a tournament while ago

I just donβt know where he is from
Both are top tier S1 pro players who have played against world champions
Tbh I donβt think Turu is that good
Ferg holding angles in a corner. They cant care less
Hes a T1 finalist. That says a ton
and who are playing in stage 5, they are literally playing ranked for leaderboard, ferg nuking them by killing their teammates like 18 times while camping with a fucking mx9 aint gonna do shit to them
Even better than Ferg
Getting nuked by a guy that is not even mp competitive says a lot too
Even if he was camping
Ok, so now camping takes skill
Getting a nuke is not that easy

not that hard either in EU
Iβm sure you canβt get a nuke even camping
bet $100 to that
It is with a 200ms ttk SMG and a secondary shotgun
I'm a S3 leaderboard player. 30+ ranked nukes and retired from ranked now

Sure
Sure, your opinion is invalid now πππ
Iβm not meta abuser
yeah defo
Hbr fan
You r cringe π
that makes sense considering only like 100 ppl have it on mastery 
Critiquing someone for the loudouts they use that so dumb, I get that is kinda bad that they recommended it, but itβs still you are probably never gonna be what they are so just stfu and do something with your life
ok bro go use ferg's loadouts
You are both like 12 year olds for sure π
i like how ferg was crying about mx9s when he was using holger πΉ
what's all the fuss?
idk why this person has a problem with us saying ferg's builds are bad for most of the ppl
some ferg builds really are bad though
v recoil
bro uses monolithic on everything
fr lmao
i remember i saw him use mono on locus
tf
Bro, you don't even have a life. Arguing while you're standing on a thin line
Msmc not meta and fun to use
why tf y'all even arguing
Mono suppressor, Marksman barrel, Tac laser, Combat stock and Extended mag
What top are you?
Yeah if you have good movement is perfect
What number are you on msmc leaderboard
Not bad
Sickkkk
You have the legendary donβt you?
oh yeah quickfix is getting nerfed right
I been playing cmo that codm makes me feel more passive
Yes for no reason
exactly
Nice
devs back with nerfing unnecessary things that doesn't need nerfing while the things that need to be nerfed don't get nerfed
That makes is fun x2
smrs only getting nerf in BR
smrs getting mp buff
Lightweight nerf was a big L
Np
Splash damage tho sucks
Why would you nerf movement
yes
They kept nerfing movement
Making feel more stoned than ever
yeah it's literally worse than a grenade
Movement makes skill outstand
they really need to buff smrs damage area
Guess the weapon rn that has the least mastery users
I really hate how almost every new gun they add is so overpower
No way
Like the p90 Iβm sure is gonna be OP
Peacekeeper has over 300 in global
some guns aren't exactly overpowered, it's just that 90% of the guns available are underpowered
U need around 5k mastery points for top 100 global
like look at holger, people said it's OP and now it's barely used because of the mx9







