codm-gunsmith-help

[grim steppe]

You are weird

you love use slow ass build and now you want unnecessarily fast ads?

Let that sink in

[granite sail]

Yes cause its a fast close weapon

[grim steppe]

Son

[graceful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-let-it-sink-in-just-let-that-sink-in-for-a-second-sink-in-just-let-it-sink-in-gif-8123437065920778985

[grim steppe]

Whatever bro

[grim steppe]

L

[granite sail]

Its okay li'l vanoss you dont have to understand

Not sure i understand myself

[rich arch]

Who has the best knn war breaker loadout

[granite sail]

Passive gun. You can use marksman barrel to play even more passive

[rich arch]

Works perfectly for warbreaker the legendary version

[faint gulch]

bet

[faint gulch]

based

[half dock]

Can any1 give lodout of type 63

[proud quail]

Does anyone else not mind having long ads time and since you can keep tapping the ads+shoot button precisely so you basically have full ads benefits while having hip fire movement

[thick tree]

I’m not nearly good enough for that

[proud quail]

Oh :c

Do you like aggressive, passive or hybrid builds?

[thick tree]

Gobo use aggressive/ hybrid

Passive so boring 😴

[proud quail]

Hybrid is my favorite tbh it's rare tho

Passive is sometimes fun when holding an angle but the enemies end up leaving once you start being good with a passive weapon like the pkm 😭

[drowsy blade]

Can someone help me... Whats the best tundra gunsmith

[frosty lodge]

ook you know that with puzals you can form a mythic gun.
i got 200 puzals . whare is my mythic gun. there was also not clame button.
my userename : talanck

[thick tree]

It clearly says 500 to get free mythical

[frosty lodge]

no it says your me 200

[dapper jungle]

u have more than me

[granite sail]

What are we doing

Ngl i might prefer einhorn over this. At least with einhorn it takes some skill and recoil control. This is just straight up spam and parkinson simulator

Honestly to fix einhorn make reload a bit faster and give it really good sprint speed

[austere igloo]

that gun does not exist

& they had better fix the aimshake of the mx guardian or I'm not gonna grind gold

[granite sail]

This gun's gold is another scam anyway. This is the 2nd shotgun we get that doesn't require long shot kills for camo

[austere igloo]

shotguns never needed longshots since 2021 son

they changed the requirement for shotguns camos a long time ago

longshots are no longer needed

pistols for some reason still need it though

[granite sail]

Oh damn i was thinking of unlocking thunder rounds then

At least that still needs longshots

Most pistols are capable of killing long

[austere igloo]

u haven't unlocked thunder rounds??

[granite sail]

No i did

I just remembered that gold on hs0 also required longshots

I thought it did

[tawny walrus]

Need new shotty build.

[granite sail]

People used the bryson muzzle but i think the damage range is better. You mostly wanna hipfire

The ads spread seems trash anyway

[tawny walrus]

Oke, thanks.

[granite sail]

The new shotgun semi auto might have just trumped the t19 for worst semi auto attachment in the game. Why is all it does is adding 0.1x leg and stomach AND it turns it into a burst delay

Pathetic

[median needle]

I need a build for long range kills on the Shorty, I tried max range and least ADS bullet spread but it's still nearly impossible

This is what I got so far

[subtle kettle]

fast hades loadout?

for fun

[thick tree]

Wait for hardcore mode

Or lay on top on container in shipment
Between Trow cryo and back two and use dlg with stun amo to leg shot before killing with shorty

[median needle]

Hardcore mode is a real thing?

I always played it on real CoD titles but only in 1v1 did I get to experience it in mobile

[thick tree]

Yeah comes in limited time tab in mp now and then

[verbal nimbus]

Theres better control when you ads, plus when ads the bullet spread gets dropped, which is why I use the Artemis laser, because it can let you get more damage at a bit longer range

[tawny walrus]

thx

[thick tree]

Would buffing Dingos damage to 30 make it broken?
I feel like a little damage buff would do that weapon nicely

[granite sail]

Slugs for long

[granite sail]

Still trash recoil

Broken def not

[thick tree]

Yeah recoil is annoying but I feel like if it’s damage compensated for that maybe it would be decent at least

[granite sail]

Maybe it could become as broken as agr

[thick tree]

That would be nice like no meta competitor but at least not feeling bad

[verbal nimbus]

Only time I ever see the Dingo used is in the Big head blizzard tournament XD

[granite sail]

Old friend used to like dingo

And another friend of friend loved it

Idk why

[thick tree]

It looks cool but that’s only thing it’s got going for it

[verbal nimbus]

I had one guy said it was "so good" all cause it reloads fast

[granite sail]

We see where the m4lmg stands

[thick tree]

M4lmg slaps tho

[granite sail]

Trash barrel

Guns need barrels

[verbal nimbus]

M4lmg is wayyy better now

Its a consistent 4 tap at any range now

[thick tree]

Don’t need barrel if you’re using ar mags and die so you don’t run out of money

Could use vulture but dying is faster and resets all amo

[verbal nimbus]

All the lmgs are fine, except for the dang mg82

[thick tree]

Mg82 is nice in br ( against bots )

[verbal nimbus]

Longshots for it are so hard for me

[subtle kettle]

Thank u

[thick tree]

Yeah it was so annoying with the asss recoil and shit damage at range

[verbal nimbus]

Well also when I was doing longshots, there used to be a bug where any of the scopes were actually misplaced and wouldn't be where youd actually be aiming

[thick tree]

Wait what

I must have grinned it after that was fixed

[granite sail]

Mg82 is a balanced mg42 thats all

[thick tree]

Well maybe it’s “balanced” but not with meta in mind

[verbal nimbus]

It made me mad, but I still somehow got it done,

[thick tree]

I compare everything to shorty as long as it’s not as miserable it’s not as bad

[verbal nimbus]

Only problem i had with the shorty was the longshots

But I figured out that the slugs suck and its better not to use them

[thick tree]

I know it was the most miserable experience in my entire game time

[verbal nimbus]

It was eh, but ive had worse experiences in the game

[thick tree]

I made it worse by trying to do it while super tired
Next day on first match I got it done fast but still my most miserable experience

[verbal nimbus]

Try playing with the na-45 on snd ranked against SO-14 top 5k players 😭 😭

[thick tree]

Are you a mosaicist?

[verbal nimbus]

XD what

But yes, I am insane

XD

[vague imp]

Can get a build for mx guardian

[candid venture]

am informing you that I have complained to GameLoop about the Call of Duty Mobile game and I have been banned.

[thick tree]

Why would anyone here care? This channel for gunsmiths

[median needle]

Best MK12 build right here

That number isn't accurate for the damage it does, it 1-taps 90% of the time

Works in BR too

[thick tree]

Fr no suppressor is a must

[median needle]

I feel like you're being sarcastic

[thick tree]

No

Guns should rawr

[median needle]

Lol

[thick tree]

It was fun mastering Hades and not thinking about stealth at all

[granite sail]

Barrel trash, no silencer on a passive gun and that is one of the worst mag attachments in the entire game

If you're using it up till 30 meters its half okay, but there are so many better options

Even by15 slugs is more consistent than this

[verbal nimbus]

By15 slugs are actually insane

[granite sail]

From what i remember in testing they really struggled with accuracy

[verbal nimbus]

The thing has crazy 1 shot range, its almost like a marksman rifle, but less range

[granite sail]

Yea atp I'd rather use argus with faster fire barrel

Although by slugs does have hip fire going for it

[verbal nimbus]

Nah imma run the Jak-12 slugs :3

Underrated mag

[granite sail]

Day 120 of trying to see someone using jak12 who doesn't suck

[brazen roost]

I've met one

They were camping

[granite sail]

Suck

[median needle]

Lol

Just straight up

What goes on NA-45 to make it sufferable?

[verbal nimbus]

The slugs on it are so weird, but can 2 tap at marksman rifle range

Its weird, but people are addicted to the thermite rounds so bleh

[verbal nimbus]

Like a good build for it?

Regular scope build, or if you want to use a 3x, Make sure to use demo expert blue perk

[granite sail]

Where fmj

[verbal nimbus]

Brother XD

Thatd be so useless XD

[granite sail]

Wait let me see if it has it

[verbal nimbus]

It doesn't

[granite sail]

Life is meaningless

Out existence is temporary

[verbal nimbus]

XD its already torture enough

[granite sail]

Nothing matters

We need wallbang explosions

[verbal nimbus]

Ngl, that would make it insane

Thatd be so op wtf 🤣😭

[granite sail]

Wait

[verbal nimbus]

You want a torture loadout just run an underkill crossbow/d13 sector

[granite sail]

Am I cooking

[verbal nimbus]

Thats terrible XD

[granite sail]

What if i wanna use 4 bullets, half my total ammo to wallbang tho

On a lvl 2 wall

[verbal nimbus]

IdkXD

[grim steppe]

Is this a troll build?

Genuine question

[viscid belfry]

fmj

[granite sail]

Its comp

[viscid belfry]

[grim steppe]

You are lying

No way it's comp

Cuz fmj and bipod are literally useless

[granite sail]

Check available perks for na45 in game

[grim steppe]

Slight of hand? Why not use that.

And marc grip is good too instead

[granite sail]

I meant how fmj isnt even available

[grim steppe]

It's not available in game?

On this gun?

[unique raven]

I see

[granite sail]

Might have edited it for the joke

[slow sedge]

Any1 have a build for Mythic Type 19 with Thermal scope?

Also, i dont have an attachment slot for a grip.

[tawny walrus]

…

Are you fucking kidding me?

[idle vault]

How can I have that legendary badge

I'm already legendary na

[tawny walrus]

#┃legendary-request-15x

[idle vault]

Oh ok

[tawny walrus]

Wait, wrong one… this -> #┃legendary-request-top-5k

[idle vault]

Are garena btw?

[tawny walrus]

Global

[spare fog]

Hey anyone can help me with the best guns and settings I just comeback after being stoped for over 5 months

[urban axle]

What is the best br smg gun that ranked players are using rn?

[orchid solstice]

Fennec, Mac-10, LAPA, QQ9, OTs.

All hip fire builds

[thick tree]

Just try different guns

Meta is so boring

[modern musk]

Hey can u gimme a loadout for QQ9

[orchid solstice]

MP and BR

[modern musk]

Thanks man

[orchid solstice]

Your not welcome

[modern musk]

[prime finch]

Uh, may someone give me operator perk suggestions for my shotgun loadout? I'm mainly playing HP, DOM and Control

[granite sail]

Perk greed red: Lightweight/flack jacket, vulture, tactical mask

[sinful shuttle]

quick fix not vulture. too many mart

[prime finch]

many thanks

[granite sail]

Thats exactly why vulture. You're close to people with shotgun anyway and you get an instant hp boost

[sinful shuttle]

…

[granite sail]

Quick fix wont heal you in time before it explodes

[sinful shuttle]

move… away

[granite sail]

Then why even say too many martyrdom

[prime finch]

Also plus I use MX so I kind of run outta ammo by the time I fill them with pellets😅

[prime finch]

Also, should I put flak jacket in normal red slot or second red slot

[granite sail]

Thats why i put /
Try out. Ideally lightweight first, but if you find yourself dying too much to explosives put flack first

[granite sail]

Vulture helps a little. Gives 3 bullets if you run over a body

[prime finch]

I know. I've been using Einhorn mostly

And that thing burns through it's ammo capacity, fast

[granite sail]

If you need range support you can go renetti pistol

[prime finch]

Plus it's nice not needing to reload a shotgun

[prime finch]

I could try that out. I've been mostly using J358 for range support ever since I've saw it. I'm a huge fanboy when it comes down to revolvers

[granite sail]

Idk feel like you need such good aim with it and ttk is still kinda meh

Renetti can 1 burst at all range onto chest

[prime finch]

Yeah you do need good aim with it even with lightweight trigg

But that makes is overall feel more rewarding

[prime finch]

Yeah, I could try it again since I haven't used it in months

Still, thanks for ze help Dragon 👍

[granite sail]

Got buffed too. Easier 1 burst first range

[prime finch]

That's good to know

[thin crescent]

Sup, i need br attachments for these weapons:
Ak117, kring, m13, gruo

Mythic skins so i don't need scope

[faint gulch]

grau is pretty bad in br same w krig but

[thin crescent]

117 nerf is bad

Aint doing sht with that 15 dmg

[faint gulch]

117:
marksman
mono
48r
tac fg b
tac laser
mods: longrange, magmod, hipfire or lateral

krig:
extended barrel
large mag b
field agent foregrip
aim assist laser
firm grip tape
mods: lateral, longrange, vertical or magmod

m13:
muzzle brake
heavy long barrel
ranger fg
mag b
tac laser
mods: longrange, magmod, vertical

grau:
archangel barrel
60r
ranger fg/blackjack stock
tac laser or 5mw
mono
mods: longrange, hipfire, mag or lateral/vert mod

[faint gulch]

yeah, use it with a sniper. ttk isnt amazing but aim assist helps it stay a viable close-mid range ar

[thin crescent]

Nah I'm not good with snipers i prefer ar and shotguns

[faint gulch]

m13's your best bet then

[cinder tapir]

On a mow with thermite mag, I don't need range at all, correct?

Stuff like owc suppressor would be better, correct?

[thick tree]

Yes

Thermite does damage at contact

[cinder tapir]

Alright, thx bro

[brazen roost]

No, colossus suppressor

[brazen roost]

You do

[cinder tapir]

I thought the damage came from the thermite, not the bullet itself

If I need to build thermite mow for range would the build look something like this?

• thermite mag
• colossus sup
• ranger barrel
• Ykm light stock
• stippled grip/scope

[brazen roost]

Same old build, but use colossus instead of light supp

[tawny walrus]

Right build?

[thin crescent]

Got it, thanks

[thick tree]

[gritty lynx]

Anybody got a crazy type 19 build

[gritty lynx]

Wait why tactical suppressor

[thick tree]

[gritty lynx]

[tawny walrus]

For suppression?

[marsh agate]

yo

[grim steppe]

I think NIH suppressor would be better

[tawny walrus]

Maybe, but you’d lower mobility.

[grim steppe]

260ms ads time ain't a problem with the build above.

[gritty lynx]

The sound of the gun why would you want to do that

Silly goose

[tawny walrus]

You want be a walking UAV? If so, go ahead and reveal your position to everyone.

[gritty lynx]

Yes let them rush me

Free kill

[thick tree]

Equip recon and alert for full uav experience

[tawny walrus]

Oblivious.

[knotty wagon]

Good?

[tawny walrus]

Kilo bad, build bad.

[knotty wagon]

There's fast ADS mod for a reason

[granite sail]

Youre using kilo in BR without optic?

[knotty wagon]

Wait? I gotta use optics?

[granite sail]

The point of bolt action marksman in br is having a "sniper" without glint

3x

[brazen roost]

W mindset

[gritty lynx]

Just say you bad

[gritty lynx]

This guy gets it

[grim steppe]

There's no an easy kill, just a quick one.

[granite sail]

#codm-gunsmith-builds message
Laser over barrel

[brazen roost]

Yes

It needs the mobility more than the range

[granite sail]

But its a passive weapon?

I just use barrel and hold spots

[brazen roost]

Think of it like hdr

[granite sail]

I want my better 2 tap potential

And for longer

[brazen roost]

Hitbox remains the same. Range is what differs

[granite sail]

Yes better 2 tap as in more range 1st range

Cause arms

Oh wait nvm forgot its 46 1st range

Was only a thing for oden

Okay i see barrel was only 10%

Damn. At least recoil and bullet speed

Still why would you want a green laser on a passive weapon

[wraith badger]

Empress barrel and bipod maybe

Bipod over stock

[granite sail]

Also it like needs rds

[brazen roost]

Can swap the laser

Or perk

[wraith badger]

Sten is actually extremely good
That and ppsh

[granite sail]

I think 3 line needs better sprint speed

[granite sail]

Ppsh isnt best, but good and easy

Sten doesn't have great hip fire but very fast ttk

[brazen roost]

Lapa 🤢🤣

[brazen roost]

Ppsh

[granite sail]

OTs also cheeks, no?

[brazen roost]

Nah, it's behind but it's not bad

[tropic locust]

hiii

[brazen roost]

Hello

[snow mason]

[tawny walrus]

Bad ragebait, try better.

[grim steppe]

I believe the barrel is worthless with the existence of long shot perk.

[granite sail]

Yea i thought it was 20

[faint gulch]

you dont need tac fg on val dmr btw

[granite sail]

I went to testing and the bullet spread does become bad long

It does help

[neon narwhal]

just control bsa bro

[verbal nimbus]

Im insane :3

[granite sail]

20r isnt optimal to get max recoil

Most recoil per single shot. Thats it.

[verbal nimbus]

Nahhhh its the weird kinda like oden but slower and weirder build

[earnest leaf]

should i use the ads time barrel or bodypart multi barrel for the 3-line rifle

[grim steppe]

This

[gritty lynx]

I ain't baiting you tho but whatever helps you sleep at night

[tawny walrus]

Idrc, what you’re saying is ridiculous and makes me laugh.

[gritty lynx]

LMAO

[verbal nimbus]

Honestly depends on how you play tbh, try either and see what feels better

[granite sail]

Body multi only makes sense if you use it with 20r to be able to 1 tap full body up to 40m

[prime finch]

Which of these 2 lmgs would be better at HP in terms of defence and wall penetration?
PKM or RAAL?

[brazen roost]

RAAL

[prime finch]

Many thanks.

[chrome fjord]

Can anyone give the best instant kill gunsmith for FFAR1

[thick tree]

Use a sniper, shotgun or melee for insta kill

[tawny walrus]

There’s no insta-kill FFAR, but I can give you a good build.

Agency suppressor
Takedown barrel
Bandit stock
Serpent wrap
44 mag

[vague yew]

What's the best AR rn chat

[brazen roost]

Oden, lachmann, xm4, ram 7, drh, hvk

[vague yew]

so my HVK is still worth it
good to know

[tawny walrus]

It is, but requires a lot of skill to maintain.

[granite sail]

Execution

[trail sleet]

kilo lmg build?

[thick tree]

Execution takes forever tho

[granite sail]

[granite sail]

If optic, remove underbarrel

[trail sleet]

thanks

[dapper jungle]

Pkm

[granite sail]

He asked for kilo

[dapper jungle]

I want pkm

[granite sail]

Yea i think you dont need granu

Less than 5m/s sprint

[dapper jungle]

[granite sail]

No hold up i tested rq you def need granulated

Do you want the mag?

[dapper jungle]

Yh

[granite sail]

Snatch is unnecessary ig since its passive anyway. Recoil is manageable

And if you don't want fmj or disable, then snatch fg

[dapper jungle]

I use gyro so I don’t have issues with recoil

[granite sail]

So for super long range seems like you need below 15 bsa in MP

[dapper jungle]

I will go with disable

[dapper jungle]

Ohk

[granite sail]

Makes sense raal is best wall banger anyway

[dapper jungle]

I don’t use it

[granite sail]

One of the first builds ive been recommended, from a pretty decent friend back when i didn't know much about guns.
I quickly realized this just doesn't work

Recoil and especially bsa make the optic 100% useless

Even then you need the arisaka 125r for this build anyway

[dapper jungle]

[granite sail]

Ngl I'm not sure you even want disable in MP

Even on mg42, spam lmg

You want fire rate and bsa attachments theres no space

Maybe for mg82

[earnest adder]

does anyone have tips attachments for grinding damouscous?

[tawny walrus]

[brazen roost]

Crossfire
Rust
Shipment

Make builds to suit the task you're grinding.

Start with no attachments and hip fire in the same game

[earnest adder]

noted noted

[thick tree]

Do shorty first and rest will feel like a breeze

Also for NA45 snipers long shot

Prone middle line highrise perfectly lines you up with heads which is needed for it’s longshots to count on this stupid gun

[granite sail]

Nah just farm headshots shipment

Its just like every other sniper needing head

[thick tree]

No you need the range since it’s a sniper

Shipment to small for longshots to count on snipers

[sonic stirrup]

fish

[marsh cypress]

Hello there! looking for the giveaway channel or discussing a current or upcoming one?
To see giveaway https://discord.com/channels/619762818266431547/648732345905577994
select your region and how you play here ----> id:customize

You can also enter the weekly nightly/daily GAME SHOW with active giveaways for the viewers
https://discord.com/channels/619762818266431547/1090690889120219276

[tawny walrus]

Not skilled enough.

[thick tree]

Why are you asking in gunsmithing channel?

[granite sail]

...gunsmith givéaway?

[thick tree]

What gunsmith giveaway

[marsh cypress]

Hello there! looking for the giveaway channel or discussing a current or upcoming one?
To see giveaway https://discord.com/channels/619762818266431547/648732345905577994
select your region and how you play here ----> id:customize

You can also enter the weekly nightly/daily GAME SHOW with active giveaways for the viewers
https://discord.com/channels/619762818266431547/1090690889120219276

[granite sail]

If you win, you get to ask for one (1) gunsmith of a weapon of your choice.
For free.

[thick tree]

https://tenor.com/view/sunglasses-holy-shit-dude-gif-4922498

[granite sail]

If you redeem it you can ask for any weapon without being judged

[thick tree]

[tawny walrus]

wtf

[tired grove]

[median needle]

Actually?

Like we can get a blueprint if we win?

[granite sail]

No, but you get to ask for 1 attachment build

And we will tell you the attachments

Without judging

[faint gulch]

how long exactly

if youre spraying down the target on that building in the far back then yeah

[undone sandal]

what gun

[faint gulch]

but generally the only reason to run val fmj is mobility. youll be 3 tapping atp anyway

[undone sandal]

what mode

[faint gulch]

val dmr mp

[undone sandal]

bsa is not a concern at all for val dmr

[granite sail]

Here i was talking about pkm

[undone sandal]

u can run stippled n it wld practically b no different

[faint gulch]

what

💔

[granite sail]

I'll share later

[faint gulch]

bro replied to me ab pkm when i mentioned val 😭 confused asf

[granite sail]

Oh nvm

[granite sail]

I thought this reply was when i talked about pkm 3 hours ago

Rather my message

[granite sail]

Maybe doesn't need tac fg testing later

But i keep granu

[verbal nimbus]

Whats the worst AR and SMG?

[grim steppe]

M4, lapa

For me

[thick tree]

Groza ( I know it’s gotten buffs) but I still don’t like it
Striker45 it just feels lacking and I don’t like its sound

[granite sail]

Probably lapa, definitely vargo

At least m4 has stability

Vargo has neither ttk nor stability

Groza also at least has ttk

[thick tree]

😔

[granite sail]

Read again

[brazen roost]

Ohhhh

Holy shit, how did I miss it that badly

[viscid belfry]

lmfao

[granite sail]

Nah i saved it too late

I'm gonna expose you

[brazen roost]

M4, ksp

[brazen roost]

I'll declare it as AI

[verbal nimbus]

Groza feels similar to the xm4 now xD
I should use the 2 round burst on the striker owo

[granite sail]

Mx guardian semi auto/burst gotta be the most embarrassing attachment I've ever seen

Even t19 semi auto has more purpose

[thick tree]

What is it’s burst attachment

[granite sail]

It says it makes it burst hold up

[granite sail]

It says it but just tested it regular semi auto

[thick tree]

[granite sail]

Another display error ig

Still terrible. Wastes an attachment slot, make it tap fire and all you get is 0.1 stomach and leg multi

Might also mess up cause sprint might kick in between shots, which means sprint delay

[sly orchid]

Completely wrong on both

[thick tree]

My opinion

[verbal nimbus]

Why did they make the striker 45 have like, a mythic level of smoothness

[grim steppe]

Both are gonna be meta if recoil didn't hold them back, like you got striker 45 has more range tha uss9, and groza has almost the double of xm4 range

[grim steppe]

That's how mw19 guns feel

Like

[earnest leaf]

anyone have a thermite manowar gunsmith 🥹

[verbal nimbus]

Get out

[earnest leaf]

i have plans that i cannot share right now…

[grim steppe]

Sure, owc light suppressor, light barrel, thermite rounds, slight of hand, and granulated rear grip

[verbal nimbus]

:DD

[simple nymph]

Sthu 😭 ✌️

[verbal nimbus]

Huhhh

[grim steppe]

Is this a troll build?

[verbal nimbus]

No xD
Its the legit build ive been using

[grim steppe]

Are you ok?

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah actually, its like a worse preforming oden. 2-3 tap.
Also ive put myself through mastering the NA-45, so i think I can take the vargo :3

Im debating on using that build, and the crossbow or d13 as my secondary

[grim steppe]

This feels so masochist

Bloody hell

[verbal nimbus]

I am of a different breed :DD

[grim steppe]

I heard about people using meta, not Leta

[knotty wagon]

Good or bad?

[faint gulch]

mag for laser

[knotty wagon]

And the mods?

[faint gulch]

longshot and recoil mods imo

maybe drop vertical for magmod or hipfire

[undone sandal]

colossus wounding thermiteammo gran combatstock

anyone elses build is shit

[stark sable]

any amax builds pls

[unreal gale]

I use red dot instead of the stock

[undone sandal]

thats ok

[daring ore]

Guys

What’s the best gun for codm

[tawny walrus]

Mono suppressor
No stock
Tactical fg A
Extended mag
Gran grip

[brazen roost]

So14

[acoustic oracle]

Yo guys can you guys give me a einhorn revolving build

[daring ore]

Huh.

[daring ore]

Can u teach me

[thick tree]

Just don’t use that gun trust me

[granite sail]

I use this for SnD

[granite sail]

This for respawns

All i want on einhorn is better sprint speed. Buff it by at least 5% and ads bsa should also be better

[acoustic oracle]

Thank you bro

[sinful shuttle]

so14 if u can use semi auto. uss9, ram, xm4 if u can’t

m4 and pp19 bizon are good beginner guns

[viscid belfry]

m4 its weird

[sinful shuttle]

how

0 recoil and slaps

[viscid belfry]

idk lol

[earnest leaf]

i liked the other guys build 🤔

[vagrant sparrow]

Question for yall.
I'm a heavy M16 player. No stock, red dot classic, short barrel, wild fire, and granulated grip. Diamond skin.
What should I be playing to increase competition?
I love the m4, xm4, ICR, and Tundra

[viscid belfry]

and still bad tier

[sinful shuttle]

u want better gun or why. m16 auto is trash

[sinful shuttle]

“beginner friendly”

[viscid belfry]

lol

i used qq9 when i was low lvl

on 2020 lmao

[vagrant sparrow]

So, i'm good on accuracy, but I don't like 'spamming' weak rounds. I understand that smg's and assault have the same damage pretty much, but I prefer assault rifles.

[sinful shuttle]

you want guns which shoots less fast but more dmg?

oden. lag

[viscid belfry]

ars should have more damage and less recoil but low fire rate and smg the opposite

[vagrant sparrow]

Kinda. What i would like is to be more competitive.

[sinful shuttle]

oden. vmp. cx burst

so14. ram

[viscid belfry]

cx9 burst must be skilled to use

[sinful shuttle]

no skilled 😔 shits too easy

[viscid belfry]

no ammo in 4 secz

secs

[sinful shuttle]

dead in max 2 burst

[viscid belfry]

all bursts r that lol

[sinful shuttle]

get machine pistol if u can’t aim as secondary

[viscid belfry]

i use it for sniper

[vagrant sparrow]

Cx9?
I'm good with shots, but I am picky. Is it accurate?
M16 is accurate, and easy.
I am accurate with shots. The J38B or whatever is golden already.

[sinful shuttle]

so14. oden

[viscid belfry]

revolver its bad option

[vagrant sparrow]

Ok, so M1911? Or semi-auto?

[viscid belfry]

use machine pistol

[vagrant sparrow]

I feel like those are too slow. Because I've done that and I get put against a Mac 10 and died pretty quickly

[vagrant sparrow]

Akimbo? Because I can do that

[sinful shuttle]

ur not meant to get close with oden

[viscid belfry]

ofc shit10 its the best smg for close range

[viscid belfry]

i like single but akimbo nice for close

[viscid belfry]

true

[vagrant sparrow]

Alright Alright. Long range is good. I like that.

[viscid belfry]

so14 its even better for long range

[vagrant sparrow]

What attachments should I use?
I have over a thousand purple xp cards.

[viscid belfry]

but u need alot cards to max lvl

[sinful shuttle]

so14 is good everywhere

close range headshot magnet

[viscid belfry]

use on so14

[vagrant sparrow]

Maxxed

[viscid belfry]

alr now ask for build

[sinful shuttle]

skill14

[viscid belfry]

50 mag at semi auto?

[sinful shuttle]

u will understand when u play it

[viscid belfry]

i mastered it

[vagrant sparrow]

Let me make it real quick.

[viscid belfry]

using 20 mag

[sinful shuttle]

i doubted sunny when he told me to put it on

oh my god when i put it on. nuketown is just me spawn camping

[viscid belfry]

lol

[sinful shuttle]

and i can spam down the doors

if they spawn outside hp

[viscid belfry]

i prefear disable over mag

[sinful shuttle]

kills too fast for disabled to even matter

[viscid belfry]

it helps me bc it cancels slide

when i shoot at someone at side

[sinful shuttle]

just aim brutal

[viscid belfry]

lol

[sinful shuttle]

anyway it shoots too fast. and got nuts aim assist

[viscid belfry]

currently im using lachmann

[vagrant sparrow]

Ok. Made it with the 50 mag.
I'm mobile, no controller. So is it like the lag where it re fires if I hold the button, or do I have to tap tap tap?

[viscid belfry]

no for tap tap u should tap tap

[vagrant sparrow]

Yeesh...I don't like tap tap..

Let me ask this, what difference would it make?

[viscid belfry]

between semi auto to auto?

[vagrant sparrow]

Yes

I don't use controller for my phone, and it's difficult to re-aim on a moving target

[viscid belfry]

semi auto its 2 shots or 1 shot

auto idk maybe 4

[vagrant sparrow]

So I could use so14 for long range instead of tundra, and have M16 or ICR-1 for med range?

[viscid belfry]

so14 fits any range

and sniper its sniper

for rlly long range u should use sniper instead of so14

[vagrant sparrow]

Ok. How would I use close range for semi auto?
Re-sighting for every shot for med range is difficult. I'd switch to M16 or ICR-1 before I got another shot out.

[vagrant sparrow]

Is LW3-Tundra good?

[viscid belfry]

u should play with it bc everyone experiences diff things

[viscid belfry]

tbh locus>

but its nice

[vagrant sparrow]

Ok. Sounds like I need to try a lot out.
So try the S014, Locus, and see what I like?

[viscid belfry]

yes

but if u want play with tundra go ahead

[vagrant sparrow]

I like it for the aim time and damage.

[viscid belfry]

tundra?

[vagrant sparrow]

Yes, sorry

[viscid belfry]

nw snipers r all the same

if u like tundra more so use tundra

[vagrant sparrow]

'Nw snipers'?

[viscid belfry]

no worry

i dont use ,

[vagrant sparrow]

Ah ok. That's fine

My codm group is going to hate me even more now.
Thank you.

I dominated them with M16, ICR-1, Tundra, and their own weapons. But I hate smg's as I feel like i'm just spraying and praying.

[sinful shuttle]

smg needs higher sens and turn on sync to ads to fully abuse it

m16 auto and icr are lowkey trash rn. never seen it used in ranked

try xm4 and ram they meta ar. so14 semi auto is the BEST gun rn

[vagrant sparrow]

Xm4 is alright. Ram idk yet. Never tried it

[thick tree]

Help!

[soft root]

No

[tired grove]

[neon narwhal]

???

thats not true

[thick tree]

It is

[neon narwhal]

xm4 is currently one of the best ARs

[neon narwhal]

no dude, that's a dumb logic

[thick tree]

No you’re in the wrong

[neon narwhal]

ram7 is an aggro-flex AR, currently bugged though

[neon narwhal]

are you trying to ragebait

bcs it doesn't work on me, sorry buddy

[thick tree]

No? Have even tried those settings it’s way better

[neon narwhal]

it's objectively not true

[thick tree]

You may not need but 119.8% better

[cunning river]

Yall noobs got#codm-discussion channel locked 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

Ok what.

[thick tree]

Whatever buddy

Why would I 1v1 you?

[cunning river]

Wana see my collection besides codm guns?

[neon narwhal]

is that a hammer

[cunning river]

3 needed hammers

[neon narwhal]

bcs you're not making any sense lol

like, even a proplayer would tell you that you dont need higher sens to play aggro

and even if it isn't needed, it's also not better

[thick tree]

Says you and 1v1 doesn’t prove skill that’s just what people who can’t 1v3 say to feel better

[thick tree]

🔥 you do know #general-discussion still works?

[neon narwhal]

im pretty sure i can 👍

[thick tree]

Mhm

[cunning river]

Because they just opened it….

[neon narwhal]

generally you need to find your own sens, it doesn't make sense to use higher sens to play with smgs (or play aggro)

[thick tree]

It’s been opened for hours

They never locked it

[tardy raven]

Hello

[brazen roost]

Bro came here cus he got muted

[neon narwhal]

i got shadow pinged

who ? idk

[brazen roost]

You can't, stop lying 😂

[thick tree]

Fr we all know

[neon narwhal]

i already beat u in the 1v1 at 110ms 😔

[thick tree]

Anyway any mg82 builds up in here?

[brazen roost]

We haven't played before

[thick tree]

With rds

[brazen roost]

I literally got your ID yesterday

Or was it two days ago

[brazen roost]

Taskforce, agency supp, some mag, rds, disable

[neon narwhal]

match grade barrel
agency supp
disable
airborne wrap/scrapper grip
sas combat stock

[thick tree]

👍

[neon narwhal]

taskforce isnt good

it only improves upper arms 4stk

[thick tree]

I know 0.1

[brazen roost]

I don't know. I don't use mg82

[granite sail]

Yea iirc taskforce was not good on mg82

Can back that up

[neon narwhal]

and on a part of the body where you'd only hit an enemy facing sideways

[thick tree]

I only use in br Alcatraz on weekends

[granite sail]

Try raal

[brazen roost]

Common btw

[neon narwhal]

if your enemy is facing sideways, he'd already be dead

[brazen roost]

The fire rate and sound is nice

[brazen roost]

With mg82? Lol

[neon narwhal]

lmg ahh ffar

[brazen roost]

I have a clip to show

[neon narwhal]

your enemy wld take like 200ms to react so ye

[granite sail]

Me flicking hs0 thunder into the enemy

[neon narwhal]

bad enemies dont count

[thick tree]

Yeah without suppressor

[thick tree]

Done and dusted long ago
It was one of the first lmgs I mastered

[granite sail]

Its peak in all modes

Even zombies

[brazen roost]

Look at this and laugh

[granite sail]

I mean that truly was a trash enemy

Bro missed nearly stand still target 10m away

[brazen roost]

[brazen roost]

Pity 🙏

[neon narwhal]

thats insane bro

where was he shooting

[brazen roost]

Somewhere

[granite sail]

Over the 🌈

[sinful shuttle]

average blocked msg

is it the monkey dude

[brazen roost]

No

[ocean vine]

Gunsmith help

[jade prism]

!ak117

[unique raven]

Gunsmith help

[mint field]

Only sniper

[viscid belfry]

[thick tree]

Is there a reason to use Marauder over Choke on shorty?
10% ads penalty on Marauder doesn’t seem worth it

[tawny walrus]

Suppressor.

[thick tree]

Unless you’re using it as your primary not worth

[tawny walrus]

You always need to use suppressor.

[thick tree]

Nah I’m better

No need

[tawny walrus]

10% ads time penalty isn’t that bad.

[slim dome]

Locus

Please

[tawny walrus]

Light suppressor
Short barrel
Skeleton stock
Stippled grip
SP mag

[granite sail]

Choke makes you lose 5% speed

[tawny walrus]

Also good point.

[granite sail]

Speed over ads

[grim steppe]

You do realise you get -15% bsa but +10% while moving only?

[thick tree]

Well it doesn’t matter im gonna keep using it

I prefer more ads since I use as emergency backup or holding angle

[valid jungle]

UID : 7622204446753095681

[acoustic oracle]

Hey guys can y'all help me with a type 19 build? I'm struggling in grandmaster with wrong build

[unreal gale]

Northern suppressor, agile stock? Whatever the fastest one is.
48mag, polymer grip tape, then either grip barrel, or the merc foregrip, depending whether you like mobility or stability

If no mythic, last slot use red dot

[acoustic oracle]

Thank you

[acoustic oracle]

I like stability ty bro I'ma try and thank you again

[unreal gale]

👍

[acoustic oracle]

👍

[tawny walrus]

👍

[mint field]

?

[warm parrot]

Hey guys 👋

[whole ibex]

M13 for br??

[faint gulch]

heavy barrel
ranger fg
mag b
muzzle brake
tac laser or optic

[whole ibex]

Thanks

[tired grove]

Np

[knotty wagon]

Good?

[undone sandal]

you can light barrel

[rare crow]

Hii

[unique raven]

What the catfish

😂😂

[brazen roost]

Africa

[viscid belfry]

lmfao

[faint gulch]

I'd go free floating barrel atp

[unique raven]

Gunsmith help

[viscid belfry]

[tawny walrus]

tf

[ocean vine]

Gunsmith help

[unreal gale]

Please change your profile picture, thanks.

[lethal frost]

Can I get a vlk rogue build for MP please

[rich arch]

/rank

[faint gulch]

use choke now, mb

[weary wagon]

Ffar for Mp?

[near agate]

Type 19 mp

found another "peak" username😭

[near agate]

he didn't change it

[tawny walrus]

Agency suppressor
Takedown barrel
Bandit stock
Serpent wrap
44 mag

[near agate]

Type 19 mp

[granite sail]

Top 10 things that wont happen

[signal vigil]

I need a 0 recoil ak 117 gunsmith

[faint gulch]

impossible, it literally has randomized horizontal

[signal vigil]

Oohh thanks for telling but

Can I make it like less recoil

[signal vigil]

Can you help me reduce the recoil to the max

[faint gulch]

marksman barrel, tac fg B, not A

[tawny walrus]

I kinda don’t understand why it’s randomized every time.

[ancient arch]

Gunsmith for switchblade x9

[faint gulch]

weird old mechanics

[pseudo token]

Bsa alr buns and a % onto almost nothing is pointless, shouldnt you just run tac over mono

[tawny walrus]

no

@faint gulch Opinion?

[pseudo token]

@vernal nimbus opinion?

Im sure he’ll answer tmrw

[tawny walrus]

He’ll answer in one-two business weeks.

[pseudo token]

Anyway usin it as much as i did when i played

I think cutting ur losses is just better, keep the bsa cuz the range is pointless

If u cant hit any shots the range is pointless

[tawny walrus]

Eh, idc about bsa.

[pseudo token]

the bsa REALLY got fried from what it used to be (unless buffed)

[tawny walrus]

I don’t think BSA is that bad.

You need 20 BSA for 40 meters range.

So you should be fine.

[pseudo token]

Unless buffed, in practice i swear that shit is cooked

[tawny walrus]

I remember it having shit BSA, maybe it really got buffed.

Idk cuz I haven’t used it for years.

[faint gulch]

doesnt matter either way rly

you arent rly fighting past 20m with switchblade so id just mono but its wtv

[faint gulch]

it has been buffed before yes

[unreal gale]

Why not northern suppressor?

[tawny walrus]

Less ads time I guess.

[unreal gale]

But range

[tawny walrus]

It’s preferable.

Someone might want range, someone - ads.

[signal vigil]

0 recoil pkm gunsmith

[sonic stirrup]

unpossible

[knotty wagon]

Is hip-fire mod good with this?

[brazen roost]

Yes

[brazen roost]

Short barrel (the hip fire one)

[acoustic oracle]

Xm4 mp build been using the wrong build stuck in grandmaster

I fr need help

[knotty wagon]

Agency suppressor
Taskforce barrel
50 rnd mag
Field grip
And SAS Combat Stock or bruiser grip

[acoustic oracle]

K

[knotty wagon]

Bruiser grip is the under barrel attachment btw

[vernal nimbus]

Its a switchblade it doesn’t matter what u do the bsa will never fuck u over that bad. Its too easy to use to care about

Just throw a muzzle on

[brazen roost]

Replace the stock or foregrip

[abstract glen]

Idk if it's good or no, just did it for recoil
You can swap muzzle to any suppressor if you want sound suppression

[tawny walrus]

eww

[abstract glen]

These are better in general imo tho

[placid warren]

Hey

Who wants a account for cheap

Dm

[thick tree]

Not allowed and get a real job

#rules

[placid warren]

My bad

[thick tree]

[placid warren]

🫡

[ocean vine]

[knotty wagon]

Good?

[tawdry acorn]

can anyone give tips on m4?

[thick tree]

Why wild fire

Better to use a regular full auto gun

Burst is what makes it fun

[sonic stirrup]

oh hell no

[thick tree]

Yuh uh

Burst is rarest gun type in game

[rare crow]

Hii

[brazen roost]

Please change your profile picture

[thick tree]

[rare crow]

Ok

[sturdy forum]

peacekeeper rds build??

[fleet sequoia]

No offense peacekeeper sucks unless your trying to camo grind

[viscid belfry]

no

[fleet sequoia]

I said no offense

[placid warren]

Anybody got any good builds

[tawny walrus]

Perhaps.

[tired grove]

[ocean vine]

Gunsmith help

[sturdy forum]

bruda i'll use what gun i want

my peacekeeper is regional 62 in asia so i think it's a very good gun for me

[faint gulch]

agency supp, taskforce barrel, fa fg, firm grip, rds
mag can go over grip or foregrip but tbf it does then become slow or terrible recoil

[sturdy forum]

thanks

[sinful shuttle]

all i see is skill issue

[brazen roost]

Yes

[random bolt]

Anybody got good Rpd build

[faint gulch]

cooling barrel
mono
steady stock
fmj
gran

alternatively, tac supp + no stock

[potent heath]

have no idea if the type's even relevant now but just wanna ask if the SP build's still dece

[random bolt]

Thx

[faint gulch]

gran for mono

[potent heath]

oh wow i didn't even notice it dropped off that quick

thanks

[brazen roost]

What a dope ass skin

[faint gulch]

it does, but also suppressor is always important

[faint gulch]

glad to have it

[brazen roost]

My mythic still clears

[faint gulch]

gae

[shy heart]

Any hdr

[brazen roost]

Light suppressor, combat stock, fmj, 7 round mag

Laser is optional

[shy heart]

What if I don’t like the stock scope

[brazen roost]

Stock doesn't affect the scope. If you don't like the scope, you can replace the laser

[shy heart]

I mean can I use 3x or tac scope

[shy heart]

Ty doe

[brazen roost]

If you want

[shy heart]

Just got the leg hdr

[shy heart]

Ty

[knotty wagon]

Good?

[grim steppe]

no stock and 5mw laser instead of gran

[granite sail]

I use 1mw and no mag cause SnD
Either go ext mag D or no mag

Honestly even if you're not good with sprint cancelling I'd use 1mw so they dont see the laser, its a spam shotgun

[soft root]

gunsmith help

[granite sail]

Real talk we need nail gun attachments

[thick tree]

Long range crossbow build please

[azure rose]

crossbow sniper

[thick tree]

Yes

[azure rose]

[thick tree]

I’m not sure if I should use heavy bowstring or perk

[azure rose]

imagine getting killed by a crossbow with a 6x scope

[thick tree]

Exactly

It also looks really cool

[granite sail]

Drop striker fg or perk for optic if needed. You can use thermite to one tap legs, but it takes a while and if they have flack or dauntless it doesn't work. I think then stomach doesn't kill either, but else it would

So i wouldn't use thermite

Just be aware crossbow has atrocious bullet speed. You need to shoot ahead beyond 25m already

[thick tree]

I’m bullet speed maxxing

[granite sail]

This is max

[thick tree]

I will just aim like mortar don’t worry

Bullet drop fixed

[granite sail]

I didn't know stomach also infinitely 1 taps

[thick tree]

[granite sail]

I have faced a single cracked crossbow player in the span of hundreds of games

Not like anyone uses it anyway

But he had shotgun at 5m kind of accuracy at mid range

Crossbow also has nasty hip fire especially if you max the hip fire buffs for close encounters

[ocean vine]

Gunsmith help

[somber onyx]

Is there any pph loadout with no recoil

[dusky rain]

holder build?

[unique raven]

Pph

Holder

[brazen roost]

😭

[grim steppe]

• tactical suppressor
• granulated rear grip
• disable
• no stock
• owc laser/tactical foregrip

[unique raven]

That's for holger isn't it

He wants a holder

[grim steppe]

A typo won't stop me from giving builds

[unique raven]

Holder and holger, big difference

[severe bobcat]

Which is better so-14 ,uss,oden

[unique raven]

So14

[severe bobcat]

Actually

[plucky quarry]

😲👌🏻

[plucky quarry]

Yea
Holger means holger
& Holder means chopper 🤥

[opal widget]

Anyone have a good Aimbot Type 19 mythic Attachment

[median needle]

Closest you can come is Thermal scope

[opal widget]

Nah I don't use scopes

I need some good aimbot attachment for type 19 mythic in BR

[plucky quarry]

You can't get bro
It'll reduce mobility
If you use gyro, you can have mobility as well as control

Maybe try using vertical recoil gold mod

[opal widget]

Okay thx

[plucky quarry]

It's okay 👍🏻🤝🫂❤️

[granite sail]

Nah ppsh is random recoil and lacking. Its pretty great in br tho

[faint gulch]

not random, just terrible

[somber onyx]

So any ppsh loadout cuz I got nothing

[verbal nimbus]

Guys rate my loadout :DD

[granite sail]

Mp or br, do you like hip firing?

[viscid belfry]

bro got my bb

[unique raven]

W for the msmc

[tawny walrus]

cringe

[final kiln]

Hi

[verbal nimbus]

Ngl, the thing was hitting when I was using it

Its better than I thought

[granite sail]

Most smgs are just worse vmps

So is msmc

[knotty wagon]

Good?

[verbal nimbus]

I got bored of the vmp xD

[grim steppe]

change mag

and serpent rear grip

[knotty wagon]

There's a lot of mag in that LMG

[grim steppe]

normal 150 mag

[thick tree]

Someone smarter then me said task force on mg82 is a scam because the lacking multipliers

[grim steppe]

right better use takedown barrel

+50% range

[granite sail]

Yup

[thick tree]

U talking about Match Grade with 40% right?

[grim steppe]

yup

[thick tree]

👍

[knotty wagon]

There's no takedown barrel

[thick tree]

☠️

[grim steppe]

ffar1 made me say that

[knotty wagon]

Using this loadout, as you requested

But what about the mods?

[grim steppe]

use matchgrade barrel

[grim steppe]

fast ads, ext mag, vert

[thick tree]

Isn’t disable better since you don’t get ridicules from task force barrel?

[grim steppe]

oh yea, better switch suppressor for it

[thick tree]

He already using suppressor I meant four grip

like recoil isn’t bad when you not using Task

[grim steppe]

grip is better for br

[thick tree]

Ok ok

[knotty wagon]

Good?

[grim steppe]

yup use ads stock tho

[knotty wagon]

You mean Striker-Stock?

[hexed gale]

Yo chat what's the best SMG currently in the game

[grim steppe]

The one has -10% ads time

[verbal nimbus]

For mp use FMJ instead of disable. Idk about br tho

[grim steppe]

The fact you ignored he used a barrel on hdr if mp is frying

[verbal nimbus]

I didn't see that xD

[granite sail]

Idk why you'd ever use a barrel for hdr outside of dmz

[violet wagon]

Any DMZ Lachmann 556 with ultra mag attachment?

[grim steppe]

Bullet speed boost

The fastest in the game

[knotty wagon]

Which one is good?

[verbal nimbus]

2nd one, but put no stock instead of granulated for extra mobility

[knotty wagon]

I'm using an extended mag, vert, and long range mods

[faint gulch]

hipfirr > vert

mag longshot hipfire applies to rly all smgs

[faint gulch]

no stock is terrible in br

5mw is mandatory for most smgs

id even mercfg over mono lowkey

[verbal nimbus]

Im a mp player xD

[knotty wagon]

Sorry, I don't do hip-fire on everything

[faint gulch]

yes, just saying for br

[faint gulch]

on smgs you should

if youre gonna ads just use 117 atp

in br you can hipfire for a good 20m consistently

[knotty wagon]

I'm not a four finger player, I'm still a two finger player

[faint gulch]

oh uhm

switch to 4f trust

[knotty wagon]

Nah, I would be uncoordinated

[verbal nimbus]

Start by transitioning into 3 and practice for a while before adding a 4th

[faint gulch]

it doesnt take more thna a couple of weeks to get down

was thumbs for 4 years, witin a month i was better at claw tjan i ever was at thumns

[verbal nimbus]

Took me about a month to transition to 4 fingers. Its not that hard, just takes commitment, although different devices of course can make the experience different

[faint gulch]

unless youre on an iphone that still has the home buttons its fine

[small oriole]

Best Lachmann for obj MP?

I need to grind mastery

[tight wind]

Yall whats the best so14 build to combo with vmp?

[main nacelle]

Someone have a HIPFIRE class for the vpm????

[granite sail]

I keep forgetting it has that lol

[acoustic oracle]

Yo guys I need a build like rn with the so 14 (I don't have the mythic)

[granite sail]

#codm-gunsmith-help message

[median needle]

@lunar bridge My personal favorite MG42 build :)

Fastest fire rate in the game, 1:1 punch power through walls as if they weren't even there... Only drawback is recoil and ADS spread

[undone sandal]

thats not the fastest bro

[faint gulch]

doesnt 100% walls either