codm-gunsmith-help

[bright cloud]

But xpr>outlaw

[rich arch]

unless you are very confident with dophin jumping stuff to broke camera

[bright cloud]

So just use neither

[formal mirage]

Xpr is soo shit

[half totem]

Anyone wanna play

[astral quarry]

what about MK2?

[rich arch]

bro why

[bright cloud]

Best sr alongside tundra

Soooooo idk what to tell you

[formal mirage]

To many hitmarkers bro

[astral quarry]

what are hitmarkers?

[bright cloud]

Thats your issue

[soft root]

El stat analyst is here

Dont scroll up in codm discussion gri

[formal mirage]

It’s like yu get hit but they don’t die if yu hit em again then they die ugm

Idk how explain but it’s like that

[bright cloud]

I meab both are equally shit but outlaw is slightly better cuz at least its somewhat useful beung worse xpr but stimach 1 shot first range but still both are shit

[bright cloud]

Now ill have to

[formal mirage]

😂😂😂

FFS I’m lagging mb

[bright cloud]

?

Oh ok

[formal mirage]

I’m lagging my ohone is soo shit

[bright cloud]

Honestly

Nth shocking

I feel like ppl just dont know anythung about snipers so yea

[soft root]

Dlq nostalgia is crazy

cant move on

[formal mirage]

For me is dlq locus and tundra

They to gud

[soft root]

😐

[rich arch]

at least dlq have consitent 1stk on operator skills tho
outlaw is like, yeah it scope in a very fast rate compare to other rifles but man punishing people hitting lower arm just because he pop out with an operator skill in 1st range is just L

dlq is only viable in ground war if u compare with tundra in normal mp

[formal mirage]

But hdr is another level

[astral quarry]

i tried playing on my pc and i got banned. i had a nice uid. "SatisfiedMan"

[formal mirage]

Damnn

[bright cloud]

I disagree but point is both are shit

[bright cloud]

It to gud*

You only named one gud sniper

[wooden seal]

I heard it doesn't hitmark

[formal mirage]

Same thing

[wooden seal]

I don't know if that's true

[bright cloud]

Till a certian range yes

[bright cloud]

Nah its not nostalgia i think its more so lack of information

[astral quarry]

i think tundra is overrated

[rich arch]

you can correct this statement
“all other snipers expect tundra and xpr are shit”

[wooden seal]

I've watched some gameplays from content creators and it doesn't hitmark

[rich arch]

rytec? 500ms fire interval? maybe in the meta list cause bigger 1stk

but it scope in slower

[formal mirage]

Bro that’s soo true icl

[bright cloud]

Rytec hdr and kinda koshka all still have uses

But xpr and tundra are def the mist versatile and safe options

[bright cloud]

Rytec is inbetweener of tundra and xpr kind of

[soft root]

Real

[bright cloud]

A sweet spot of 1 tap and fast rof but you sacrifice some other stuff

[wooden seal]

These snipers are so underrated

[rich arch]

rytec isn‘t but hdr is

(p.s: i know hdr is goated in br since different gun mechanics but this channel focus on MP)

[astral quarry]

pls i want to finalize my sniper. tell me which sniper should i go with for fast scoping? outlaw or tundra?

[bright cloud]

Xpr

[astral quarry]

xpr?

never heard that ill try

[vale lichen]

Tundra

Xpr is gae

[bright cloud]

Only like tundra is well rated

[bright cloud]

Its outlaw but way better

[astral quarry]

um

[bright cloud]

Krill......

[astral quarry]

i will try xpr and tundra both

[wooden seal]

Real

[vale lichen]

Gae identified

[bright cloud]

Yeah those two are pretty much top 2 snipers for everything

[rich arch]

The list is like:
-xpr (375ms fire interval, 1stk upper body)
-rytec (500ms fire interval, 1stk except legs)
-tundra(996ms fire interval for bolt action sniper and more importantly 2nd fastest scope in time)

[bright cloud]

You dont even know whats flinch 😔

[bright cloud]

Xpr and rytec have range drop off btw

[vale lichen]

Bruhh i explained it correctly

[astral quarry]

so what do u think

whos no 1

[bright cloud]

It depends a lot

Best when mastered is xpr

[rich arch]

enough for 50% mp ranked maps

[bright cloud]

If not tundra for snd and rytec for respawns

[astral quarry]

i mostly play frontline

[bright cloud]

[vale lichen]

I explained it correctly you're gae for confusing me

L gri

[rich arch]

bro litterally bring no brain to play this game and ask gun chioce without actually try using it with his brain

[vale lichen]

Hate you

[rich arch]

let just leave him to test what is most suitable

[astral quarry]

i need a sniper with high damage, fire rate with less ads and hit flinch

[wooden seal]

Locus is good for respawns too

[wooden seal]

Agreed

[bright cloud]

Bro you called flinch aim shake

[bright cloud]

Thats not what confused me its that he only plays ftl

[vale lichen]

No u read it wrong you forgot i used to simp tundra so much

Snipers have highest flitch ingame so yeh

[rich arch]

aim shake is just the screen shaking animation of weapons, the fuckers decided to give mythic less aim shake
flinch on the other hand, refers to the weapons tilting animation to UPWARD when you got hit

[bright cloud]

We already established zhat

:nicecat:

[vale lichen]

[bright cloud]

Nuh uh

On that note icr...

[rich arch]

just ask him how frequently he will miss shots

[bright cloud]

Me banned 😔

[vale lichen]

Fk u and your random qns

[rich arch]

that will do 90% work to pick gun chioce

[rich arch]

@astral quarry

[vale lichen]

deserved

[astral quarry]

um

im an old player, i have mastered in sks so max is 2 misses

[vale lichen]

Bro i only lack proper grammer and terms to deliver a reply😔

[astral quarry]

basically theres no problem for miss shots

[rich arch]

don‘t count dmr miss rate, just recall the times you use bolt action or rifles with fire interval more than 250ms

[astral quarry]

very unlikely

less

ill just try all the snipers

[rich arch]

can you hit 2nd shot if you miss one?
by means like rescope to amend aim, or just dophin jump for second scope?

if yes tundra, if no rytec

[astral quarry]

yea i think i can

so basically u mean tundra > outlaw

[hoary flare]

by a mile

[astral quarry]

k

[rich arch]

the only advantage outlaw has is 50ms less ads scope in time (or mag size)

[hoary flare]

fair

[rich arch]

other than that it fails on other ascepts

[hoary flare]

and mag size too

OL has 2 more bullets

[astral quarry]

and its more mobile than tundra

[hoary flare]

flinch is an issue tho

[astral quarry]

hmm ok

ill go now bye

[hoary flare]

alr take care

[rich arch]

lw3:
-better hitbox in 2nd range
-2nd fastest fire interval among bolts
-2nd fastest scope in animation time(aiming time)
-average flinch

outlaw:
-stealth kill
-better mobility, aiming time and fire interval than tundra

[bright cloud]

Stealth...kill?

[rich arch]

the perk that hide kill symbol

[bright cloud]

And how did you manage to get same ads speed on tundra and outlaw

😭

[rich arch]

I need a mg42 build

[dark meteor]

mgae42

[strange rivet]

Maxim silencer
Vdd 682mm
Vdd skeletal
Fmj/disable
13mm anti material rounds

OR

Maxim silencer
Krausnick 450mm
Vdd skeletal
Fmj/disable
8mm 250r box

@rich arch

[rich arch]

thanks

[tidal bear]

Np

[mellow fractal]

oh yeah is there a hipfire-oriented one too pls

if that's any good to use ofc

(that's just how I like em shotguns typically)

[strange rivet]

All it really is is just use 5mw laser

[hybrid agate]

Need rpd unli ammo best build

[strange rivet]

Mono suppressor
CCB
Steady stock
Fmj/disable
Granulated grip

[rich arch]

[strange rivet]

Tf u mean bad

[rich arch]

Cus I can

[strange rivet]

Oh right you're a tac glazer

[rich arch]

[hybrid agate]

How does FMJ work? I can't see the difference, even when I don't use it I can still hit enemies behind thin walls

[strange rivet]

It penetrates obstacles better so less damage is reduced

[rich arch]

You can deal damage through thicker walls

[hybrid agate]

Oh ok, thanks. Can it hit 2 enemies at one then?

[rich arch]

Yes, but the second enemy might receive less damage

Bro achieved rookie rank

[hybrid agate]

Ok, thanks a lot

[rich arch]

Np

[foggy lantern]

What is a good attachment for fennec and lw3 tundra

[strange rivet]

Fennec: mono suppressor, light/steady stock, operator grip, ext mag a, granulated grip
Lw3: tac suppressor, (hammer forged + striker fg)/(tiger team + fmj), 7r mag, serpent/airborne elastic wrap

[foggy lantern]

For lw3 attachments I have options?

[strange rivet]

Yes

You can run hammer forged and striker fg for a more aggressive respawn loadout

Or tiger team and fmj for the increased damage

[foggy lantern]

U mean like for team dethmatch and stuff like that?

[foggy lantern]

And this for snd?

A bit complicated for me but I will try

Ty

Which is better

[final fable]

How are you able to post images

[verbal sonnet]

Press the blue plus sign at your left

Above your keyboard

That's if you're using mobile

Tho

[final fable]

Yea obv but I don’t have permissions and he does and he’s a rookie

[soft root]

#┃server-media-passes

Pick gunsmith pass

[final fable]

Tyy

Yall fw the build

[soft root]

[verbal sonnet]

W

But lacks mobility🫤

[final fable]

True

I plan on making another version once I get home I’m like 200 steps

[foggy lantern]

Which is better

[verbal sonnet]

Quick question, what's the best gunsmith for M4 n Ak 117

[foggy lantern]

Ok fine if u won't reply to that

[final fable]

Mmmm are you running toughness or

[foggy lantern]

Which is better

[foggy lantern]

I have no idea

[foggy lantern]

From what I see the one one that is not in comparison is the best out of those 3

[foggy lantern]

Or from testing

[verbal sonnet]

Ahem...

[foggy lantern]

Ahem

[strange rivet]

M4 (right): Launcher can be tac laser, tac fg, or perk. 40r can be 50r

[verbal sonnet]

Tnx gee

[strange rivet]

1 for passive 2 for aggressive

[verbal sonnet]

Bro is an expert

[foggy lantern]

Ok an kinda with cx 9bshich is for aggressive so I think 2 is better for me.

[dry light]

1

[foggy lantern]

Erm

[foggy lantern]

Ok

[dry light]

the image that u sent is perfect

[foggy lantern]

Wdym by that the picture itself looks cool or something?

[dry light]

I mean the gunsmith

[foggy lantern]

Oh ok

Is 1 for passive?

[dry light]

no

[mellow fractal]

PLS UNINSTALL

[rich arch]

[honest hound]

Tec 9 smith aggressive wanna try the new smith skin

[vale lichen]

With or without mag?

[rich arch]

#codm-gallery

Either way

Burst is a must

Its what makes the tec 9 an actual good weapon

[final fable]

why :(

[rich arch]

Mhmm

[sharp abyss]

any good Bruen MK9 build?

[strange rivet]

I use tac summit even though it seems mono horizon is better

[rich arch]

Everybody has @rich arch builds bro 😭

My guy famous asl

@rich arch you're the goat homie

@fierce haven

Saw your msg in #619960843878268950

[fierce haven]

Gratzi

[rich arch]

Np

[fierce haven]

He’s my friend lmao that’s why I asked him lowkey

[rich arch]

Hes a real one ngl

🗿

[fierce haven]

Yuh

[tidal bear]

Bro's the professional yapper so yeah

[rich arch]

Nah not him

Gri is the pro yapper

[tidal bear]

Mellow is currently at rank 5 i think

[rich arch]

Damn

Theres some grass to be touched ig

[tidal bear]

Yeah gri aren't even there

Can't send the screenshot for some reasons

[rich arch]

Arguing with gri over weapon stats is like arguing with your girl

[tidal bear]

#┃plastic-commands go there if you wanna know, and type !levels

[tidal bear]

Real 😭

Gunsmithing nerds 😔

[rich arch]

Lmfao

[rich arch]

Bahahha

Easy propaganda

[rich arch]

||Except he actually makes sense eventually||

[rich arch]

In current activity bc I have 2 weeks of mute logged in the past month
Lifetime rank is 6th in the server 🦅

[rich arch]

Thats true ig

[rich arch]

😭

[rich arch]

Nah fr tho hes fun to argue with bc he’ll eventually go in deprh on stats

(Ive never argued with a gf)

[rich arch]

Nerdiest guy ive met

😭

[rich arch]

So real

[vital shadow]

So I’m really late to the party here, but enjoying the game like crazy. What’s the optimal goal for gunsmith designs ie recoil / strafe / ads. And I’d think it’s different amongst different weapon classes as well as some personal preference. Explain it to me like I’m an idiot, thx!

[rich arch]

It depends on the gun damage/range is usually first and mobility is second though

Then ads speed/recoil

[lilac tapir]

Surreal

[hollow slate]

ads bsa balance 🗣️

mobility idk just use a secondary really

[rich arch]

Not super reliable but cough strafe cough

[hollow slate]

just one shot smh

[rich arch]

This isn’t for snipers

I mean for normal guns

For snipers its ads speed then fmj then flinch

[hollow slate]

ik i'm jk, but idk i mostly strafe even with lower mobility guns

[rich arch]

Who needs strafe

Just take the shots like a champ

[hollow slate]

just use toughness 🗣️

[hollow slate]

tanking shots with my 300 health rahhhh

[rich arch]

Ok that sounds weird

[rich arch]

If xpr ebr spr tac fg exists

[hollow slate]

wtf does aim assist mean

on pin point

[rich arch]

Aim assist thats what 😭

[rich arch]

False statement tho

[hollow slate]

how the fuck

does the game assist you with aim

[rich arch]

Well it's already a setting so yeah

[hollow slate]

also is pin point worth for that or nah i used it once and realized i can just use my eyes

[rich arch]

@rich arch rate pls?

Dont mind the rds, i hate the iso's irons

[hollow slate]

rds sighted

[rich arch]

Prolly best build for an optic included
Use holo 2 with blue dot though trust

[rich arch]

All red perks are equally trash

[rich arch]

Eww bro

[rich arch]

It assists your aim

[rich arch]

holo 2 with blue dot is the best

Yes

[rich arch]

Aight i'll give it a try, thanks

[hollow slate]

i had iron lungs til now and then i realized that i literally never hold like that

[rich arch]

W

[rich arch]

Exactly

[hollow slate]

the only scenario is the crash round start

[rich arch]

Mellow pookie help me grind for Damascus

[rich arch]

Even hardscoping campers dont use it 😭

[hollow slate]

and even that i don't anymore

[hollow slate]

yea they js stack those attachments and use builds with an ads of 4 business days

[rich arch]

LMFAO real

They use the rtc compensator

[rich arch]

Like play together or tips?

[rich arch]

I ain't finna do allat 😭 I'd give you my account to play on it

[rich arch]

Oh nah

[rich arch]

DW, you'll get to re-use all the guns you currently have

I wanted to kms getting lag gold

I wonder if id prefer na45 gold

All I had to do was hit head

[rich arch]

You can leave the recent guns i.e iso etc

I have platinum snipers already

Deal? 😃 @rich arch

[rich arch]

Need hdr and tundra 😔

I pretty much need everything

[rich arch]

I could do those rn but meh, HDR and zrg

They keep adding new weapons

[rich arch]

And they're always shit

As of recent

[hollow slate]

i wanna na45 gold

when i get a new phone i'm gonna fucking do it mark my words

[rich arch]

That's easy tbh

[rich arch]

Its easy asl

[hollow slate]

then i'll ranked troll did it pre reset for a bit too

[rich arch]

Its an ordeal Thatd take me a month or more and im getting an xbox soon 😭😭😭

Js aim for the head

[hollow slate]

on one hand it's easy on the other i do NOT have that patience

[rich arch]

So you're gonna quit mobile?

[rich arch]

I should have half the guns so it'll probably take half the time

[rich arch]

For some time

FOR HONOR RAHHH

[rich arch]

Got it in 3 games or 4

[rich arch]

Before then help me grind

[hollow slate]

what fucking games are you playing dawg 350 kills

[rich arch]

Its easy asl bro trust

[rich arch]

I have 3 accounts to get legendary

[rich arch]

Where's my luck mehn

You came too late in the string of like 5 people needing help

Also itll feel more satisfying if you get damascus yourself

[rich arch]

😭 I asked before the season even reset

[rich arch]

Definitely not, I can bet if I get it myself I'll just delete the game immediately

I gotta get aether for the lag, ksp 45, sx9, iso, machine pistol and mg 42

[rich arch]

LMAO

[rich arch]

[rich arch]

[mild jasper]

NA-45 mentioned

Can confirm NA-45 was easier to get gold than FAL

(At least doing it in ranked)

[wraith badger]

damn mellow was working hard (respect 🙏 )

imma write down all mellows builds right now

@rich arch you approve?

[rich arch]

Sure I made a google doc for it so I can share it as well

[wraith badger]

👍

[safe pawn]

Guys, who has a great bk57 class

[wraith badger]

build you mean: monolithic suppressor, extended light barrel, ykm combat stock, 7.62 40 mag, and granulated grip tape

[safe pawn]

Tanks man

[hoary flare]

why noy google drive

[rich arch]

Huh

[hoary flare]

isnt docs for words

[viscid belfry]

i prefear docs

i use it always on school

[rich arch]

Oh I meant drive file mb

[fickle quest]

What’s the best gun to use in cod for winning?

Share gun with the load out

[wraith badger]

bp50 (its an assault rifle) cus its good: maxim silencer, rapid barrel, removed stock, 60 round drums, and stippled grip

[hoary flare]

stippled grip can be AA laser if youre running respawns

[fickle quest]

Thanks

[wraith badger]

no problems

[real storm]

What would be the best/most optmial Type25 build atm, thinking of mp/spawns?

[hoary flare]

Bro does NOT have diamond

[rich arch]

I can’t diamond everything

[hoary flare]

me neither

[rich arch]

I get bored so fast

[hoary flare]

darn

[wooden seal]

Grinding diamond camo is exhausting

[rich arch]

Its lowkey more bearable doing it in ranked 😭

[real storm]

Ty!

[wooden seal]

I agree

[hoary flare]

it isnt tbh

[rich arch]

😭

[hoary flare]

just pace yourself

[rich arch]

Doing 10 ffas a day takes 2 weeks

[hoary flare]

if im free, it takes a week for me

i got diamond koshaka in 2 days though

[rich arch]

[hoary flare]

yeh

[wooden seal]

Damn that was fast

[hoary flare]

ye XD

[balmy temple]

Ok

[small prairie]

any jak12 build.for mp

[hoary flare]

where ELB

[rich arch]

Bsa and infinite 2tap

[hoary flare]

oh

[abstract plover]

Hello, what should we do in this event?

[rich arch]

Slugs are why I put jak as c or b tier

But 8 ammo is so little id rather use a dmr

[digital needle]

??

[ruby iris]

W pfp

[rich arch]

…

[ocean narwhal]

flash guard better for slug

[rich arch]

Silencing

[rich arch]

slug is just an oden but with 8 shot and 1stk at head

poor bsa tho

[rich arch]

Full body 2tap

[rich arch]

oden better overall

22 bsa for 30m is absurb

[rich arch]

harms too much accuracy

especially the moving bullet spread

What does mvoing bsa even do

[strange rivet]

bsa when moving

[rich arch]

@bright cloud gimme in depth explanation bc no one has cared ab that stat before

[ruby iris]

Nothing

They tested it before

[rich arch]

LMAO

[ruby iris]

Either neglectable difference or no difference at all

[rich arch]

Alr marauder ftw still

[strong monolith]

Choke vs marauder

[rich arch]

how about slug test

on jak

[rich arch]

Sodoesnt matter

[strong monolith]

Its quite noticeable

[rich arch]

both have wide asf random spray

[strong monolith]

So why not reduce the randomness?

All you get is +10% range anyway

[rich arch]

silencing

[calm ocean]

Anyone who be chalking and need help making safe plays, lmk I can help fr

[rich arch]

[strong monolith]

I will say tho
The effect is only visible on buckshot

I can't find a difference within 25m with slugs

[rich arch]

lmao

thats where its more important

on thermjak its not a big diff either bc youre modtly relying on ticks

but you can run and gun with it more

[strong monolith]

If you're using DB, you'll feel it mainly in BR

Since you'll be moving a lot

[rich arch]

im speaking for mp
def use choke in br

[ocean narwhal]

i thought thermjak doesnt do much tick damage

its like 1 or 2 ticks right

[strong monolith]

Each pellet will deal ~5 dmg per tick
It will deal 2 ticks so that's 80 dmg total
Add the max dmg of 64 (I don't count the 2m initial range) and you get a total dmg of 144 per shot

And the first tick is faster than the fire interval

In MP, its basically just a slug clone

But in BR, it can 2 tap 250hp and 3 tap 300hp

[ocean narwhal]

thats crazy

[rich arch]

wtf

[strong monolith]

So you're looking at a TTK of 177ms against 250hp and 354ms against 300hp

[ocean narwhal]

[strong monolith]

That's up to 9.5m as well

Up to 20m, its 1 extra stk

And because of how tight the spread is, you can use it up to 15m np

[ocean narwhal]

balanced 100%

[strong monolith]

The only downside is that its kinda weak against multiple enemies since it only has 8 shots
But in 1v1s, its super strong

[ruby iris]

tych said you only need positive bsa on db

so marauder?

better movement and stf also

[strong monolith]

This is only the case for MP

[ruby iris]

aww, sucks

marauder looks so cool

[strong monolith]

Because 4 of the pellets are much more accurate

And in MP, that's all you need to 2 tap

In BR, you want all the pellets to hit ideally

[rich arch]

customize muzzle appearance

[haughty swan]

Sana al

https://tenor.com/view/hug-gif-3478253095744435884

[austere igloo]

Bro has no gif perms

[austere igloo]

Jak12?

Does anyone hv a jak build for mp?

Time for the chaos to begin

[hoary flare]

db shots?

• ELB
• DB mags
• gran
• 5MW/tac laser
• maurader supp

[sharp abyss]

thank ye

[soft root]

np

[astral finch]

4 shots?

[hoary flare]

3

[rich arch]

24 rnds can be 30

[rich arch]

Para barrel makes it semi auto tho

[rich arch]

Yes
Only barrel with decent pros though

[rich arch]

Cap

[rich arch]

Truth

[rich arch]

[astral quarry]

can anyone send a layout for quick scoping on a tab?

[hoary flare]

its not cap.
UL barrel does nothing at all
XRK nukes too much mobility

[rich arch]

I see 4 bad attachments

[hoary flare]

exactly

😭

[rich arch]

How 😭

[hoary flare]

AA12

[rich arch]

DB is shit

[hoary flare]

lmfao

i havent played codm mp in weeks

[rich arch]

What is that bp50😭

[hoary flare]

ill give you his smith

B50

WTF

ANYTHING BUT THE DESMET

[rich arch]

Almost as bad

[rich arch]

Desmet lmfao

[rich arch]

Tf r these smiths

[hoary flare]

guess the last attachment

[rich arch]

Killing myself
But stippled?

[hoary flare]

If you guessed:
Rubberized Grip Tape

youre correct!

[ebon forum]

Can i have some br loadouts

[hoary flare]

i dont do br sorry

[ebon forum]

ah no worries!

[mellow fractal]

Clickbait brokies need that cash

[hoary flare]

yeah

[rich arch]

That was my second guess

Unironically

[hoary flare]

damnn

dont worry, we have round 2!

F2000

F2000

[mellow fractal]

meta has been removed

[hoary flare]

belgian weapon

[mellow fractal]

gotta move on

[hoary flare]

do you not play old modem waffles

modern warfare

no best gun, there are some good options tho

plus it depends on playstyle

there is no panacea when it comes to codm weapons

damn, mi played og mw when i was 6

anyways, F2000=Bp50

[austere igloo]

No such thing

[hoary flare]

ye, im impressed you understood what panacea meant

[austere igloo]

Bruh I’ve been using that word before u did

Thank my uni making me write countless essays

[hoary flare]

i meant i learnt it before xd

[austere igloo]

So have I

[hoary flare]

i learnt it in like sec 3

[austere igloo]

Nice

[vale lichen]

who cooked

[hoary flare]

this guy called Venin

[rich arch]

@hoary flare best strat to grind thumper double kills?

[hoary flare]

js let bots group tgt

if you need, try demo expert

[rich arch]

Where the bots at 😭

[hoary flare]

pray

[rich arch]

I keep getting real players

[hoary flare]

thas tough

[rich arch]

I played 3 hp shipment matches now and i only got one double kill

[hoary flare]

lure 2 players??

[rich arch]

That might work

If they played obj

[hoary flare]

fair

[rich arch]

But then theres trophy system

That blocks the thumper too

[hoary flare]

use emp

[vale lichen]

I checked some other builds 💀

[hoary flare]

since you have 2 emp for 1 slot, you can throw one as fodder

[rich arch]

How come didnt i think of the emp 😭

Does it disable the transformer shield?

[hoary flare]

also can deal with sentries if you keep dying to them ig

[hoary flare]

you can try, i havent tested it out

[rich arch]

Ima run cold blooded 🤷‍♂️

[hoary flare]

id use amped for quick loading speeds

then for op skill i use the resupply pack

[rich arch]

Munitions box?

[hoary flare]

yep

[rich arch]

For the red perk should i run overclock?

So the op skill charges faster?

[hoary flare]

sure

imo ammo box charges quickly

[rich arch]

Yea thats what i thought as well

Nvm ima run dauntless

I keep dying to molotovs a lot

[hoary flare]

does it help counter nipple

[rich arch]

I dont know, maybe it does

Since nipple does burning damage

[hoary flare]

should be, sicnce it burns

[hoary flare]

locus sucks but if you say so

• Skelly stock
• light barrel
• owc suppressor
• sp mags
• stippled

[hoary flare]

fmj can be swapped for stopping power if you have good aim

[rich arch]

🤷‍♂️

I dont use locus so meh

[rich arch]

For the blue perk you said demo expert right?

Tundra

Zrg

[hoary flare]

ZRG

Hadir's Right hand (HDR)

[rich arch]

Anti vehicle mag is what makes the zrg op

One shot at any part of the body

[rich arch]

Uhhh hdr does that better lol

[rich arch]

I dont have a hdr build

[hoary flare]

ap mags>>

[hoary flare]

AV mags is HDR from Temu

cook

[rich arch]

Mag capacity used to be 5 when it first came out

Now its 4

[hoary flare]

no

[rich arch]

It got nerfed

[hoary flare]

only 1 is enough

1>2. Mathematically incorrect, but a single pistol does more oomph

[austere igloo]

Wut

[tidal bear]

Np

[ripe blaze]

Anyone have a solid CX9 build? (Mainly for SND)

[austere igloo]

Here ya go

[ripe blaze]

Dayum thx

[austere igloo]

If you don’t have the blueprint change perk to an optic

Cx-9 irons aren’t the best

[balmy temple]

They aren't that bad

Can see through them clearly

[sharp dagger]

does anyone have a solid oden build with (perks)

[idle cipher]

Perks are up to you tbh

Short barrel
Light stock
Granulated grip
Colossus suppressor
ext mag/duplex

[ripe blaze]

Tho is the CX9's burst mag any good?

[austere igloo]

…no comment

[digital needle]

12 rnd

[vale lichen]

Goated

[digital needle]

[ripe blaze]

Man u got one questionable pfp frfr

[ripe blaze]

Fr?

[vale lichen]

HP mag CX9 is the 1/meta

No hashtag perm😔

[ripe blaze]

Dayum,u got a build with tht mag?

[ripe blaze]

Thx dawg

[vale lichen]

[ripe blaze]

[idle cipher]

Yes

[ripe blaze]

Hahaha in SnD?

[idle cipher]

All modes tbh

[ripe blaze]

Oh nice nice

[hoary flare]

yes

[idle cipher]

It’s like a lesser Swordfish but still good

It’s a 3 round burst

[ripe blaze]

A lesser swordfish 💀

But y is everybody suddenly using the locus tho? (For Garena tht is,unsure Abt global) Cuz I don't see any buffs in the patch notes

[idle cipher]

Ig everyone is a wanna be a sniper

[ripe blaze]

Tundra meta died out here in Garena n now everyone's rocking the Locus and I'm still dumbfounded

[mellow fractal]

G*rena

[bright cloud]

@rich arch wtf i never saw this before

Facebook mods

[bright cloud]

I mean tundra meta didnt die out ppl just stopped using it

Just cuz everybody is using a worse option and that worse option is more popular that doesnt mean the better option isnt meta

[dusk wharf]

This fire slowly but the damage is crazy

[soft root]

ok

[dusk wharf]

You can friend a bot!?!?

[twilit fractal]

give me an icr build

please >_<

[soft root]

Bru

Tac
Macromag
Granulated
No stock
fmj
Source : Mellaboo

[hidden swift]

Need a suggestion for this thing

[rich arch]

@rich arch msmc ❌️
M-supremacy ✅️

[rich arch]

Its gud

Stock instead of laser tho

[twilit fractal]

how about a cx 9?

[hidden swift]

alright thanks

[twilit fractal]

thank you my brother in christ

[fleet spindle]

send iso gunsmith

[rich arch]

Rds can be soh

[vale lichen]

Wrong build

[rich arch]

💀

[vale lichen]

Srry😔

[fleet spindle]

whats wront

[rich arch]

I saw steady stock and i was like dafuq

[fleet spindle]

so is this good

[rich arch]

Yes

[vale lichen]

Tac-> mono

I had a build ig i lost it

[atomic summit]

no muzzle?

[rich arch]

The barrel is suppressed

[vale lichen]

[fleet spindle]

why ppl using the holographic sight 2

[atomic summit]

nobody uses it

[viscid belfry]

alot ppl uss

use

[atomic summit]

using optics on guns??

[viscid belfry]

there r dumb ppl ik

[atomic summit]

😨

[atomic summit]

fair

[hoary flare]

225 mono

[rich arch]

Alr

Btw

[hoary flare]

hm?

[rich arch]

@hoary flare looking good?

[soft root]

why amped

[hoary flare]

ig thats fine if youre going double kills

[hoary flare]

faster launcher reloads

[rich arch]

Faster reload

For thumper

[soft root]

how fast is fast

[hoary flare]

shock rc good skill for trapping enemies

[hoary flare]

it helps for me

[soft root]

ok

[rich arch]

0.75 secs

[soft root]

[rich arch]

Im also running emp in my tactical

So i can disable sentries and trophy systems

[hoary flare]

you could try trip sensor ig

[rich arch]

I dont have it unlocked

[hoary flare]

then your lethals can be anyt

[hoary flare]

oh

[rich arch]

Is it available in the credit store?

[hoary flare]

idk bout that

[rich arch]

Ye i wasnt playing when it came out

[soft root]

trial loadout

[hoary flare]

ah that

[rich arch]

Nvm there it is

[keen gazelle]

operator skills/scorestreaks can do that

[rich arch]

I need the munitions box tho its mandatory

[keen gazelle]

i personally always keep a pred missle in the pocket for choppers and a operator skill for ss

[rich arch]

I only have 2 thumper rounds

[rich arch]

Trophy system discards pred missile tho

[soft root]

me when emp

[rich arch]

I have it equipped in my tac

[keen gazelle]

and i barely run into that problem lol

[rich arch]

Hp is full of trophy system users

[keen gazelle]

if your thumper is granting free kills, go for it but it sounds like something niche to have

[keen gazelle]

sir i play hp

you cant live your life on ifs, obv ive thought of the fact that people use trophy but thats why you gotta study the enemy,l

[viscid belfry]

dlq mag too

[hoary flare]

interesting

[rich arch]

No grass friday

[rich arch]

Need 10 more double kills

[hoary flare]

gl

[rich arch]

RAHHHHH

[rich arch]

Its a better red dot

Less reticle and equivalent visibility

[rich arch]

Msmc is solid

[rich arch]

Lol

Theres reddit mods too

Also whyd you downvote my lapa

[bright cloud]

Wrong barrel

Ranger is best barrel

[rich arch]

Isn’t extended literally what you use

[tidal bear]

Mismuc

[bright cloud]

No unless im remembering the names wrongly

[rich arch]

[rich arch]

Check

Yeah I doubt you chose ranger

[keen gazelle]

hey @rich arch

your tier list of guns, is it overall general consensus or is it your personal list

[bright cloud]

Objective

[rich arch]

I made it myself but it isn’t going by bias, just stats I looked into with some consulting with gri and a few others

[bright cloud]

Yea well you are relying on range a lot

[rich arch]

Dawg

Its not a huge range difference

Just a couple of meters

Fire rate is 7ms better

[bright cloud]

20 vs 23

[rich arch]

Average 21ms better ttk

Thats worth it

[bright cloud]

Thats worse than cbr

[tidal bear]

Oh no

[bright cloud]

Cuz you get ots range but 10ms slower rof

[tidal bear]

Gunsmith nerds fighting

[bright cloud]

For no benefits

[rich arch]

Dude 😭

[bright cloud]

Here you have 1 crutch

Ans thats you have an incosistent 3 tap

[rich arch]

21ms slower ttk but 3m more 4stk range isn’t better

[rich arch]

Ranger has terrible 3stk consistency as well

[bright cloud]

1 chest+1 ua+1 la

Extended has none

[rich arch]

Thats so bad lol

Id rather take much better average ttk

[bright cloud]

And a somewhat potential ttk

The logic is avg ttk is better

[rich arch]

Yes

[bright cloud]

On ranger

[rich arch]

Average ttk is much better since its whats 95% of the time
And wxtended has better average ttk

[bright cloud]

Ranger has better avg ttk

[rich arch]

[keen gazelle]

the right one looks better imo

[bright cloud]

Do you know what avg ttk means bru

[rich arch]

How tf

[keen gazelle]

right*

[bright cloud]

Cuz ranger has potential 3 tap

Incosistent but potential

[keen gazelle]

the one with extended lol i mixed my left and right

[rich arch]

Yes
It has 21ms better ttk for 20m
Worse for 3m
Same for 7 more m
Worse for 5 more after that

[rich arch]

Good 😭

[rich arch]

Thats the thing you LITERALLY just said go for the average

[bright cloud]

And ranger has better avg

[rich arch]

Ranger is so absurdly inconsistent that 21ms better ttk is way more worth it

[bright cloud]

But ranger has potential 3 tap so ut has better avg ttk

[rich arch]

Thats not average, thats a rarity

[bright cloud]

Okay yea

[rich arch]

[bright cloud]

You def dont understand what avg ttk means

@rich arch avg ttk is like if you took all hitboxes and averaged out ttks based on chance

So if you killed infinite ammount of enemies what would be avg

[rich arch]

Ok how about this

My brains barely working wait

[bright cloud]

Same 😭

[rich arch]

I literally dont know how to explain this 💀 maybe uhh 4 4stk kills per 1
3stk kill even the average ttk out? And I feel like youll 4stk more than 4 for 1 on average

Wtf are y'all blabbing about 😭

[bright cloud]

I didnt get any sleep last night

[rich arch]

I just woke up after 3.5 hrs

[rich arch]

What? 😭

IDK IF THAT MAKES SENSE

[bright cloud]

Yea avg ttk would even out. Cuz in both cases you have uncompetitive 4 stk so you crutch on that avg ttk

Which isnt as bad as you think cuz of lapa's unique feature

[rich arch]

Unique feature?

But yeah lapa is a low c tier lol

[bright cloud]

It has ak47 like bsa

Lol

[keen gazelle]

makes sense, if you 4 tap more often

[rich arch]

True

[bright cloud]

Tha does help actually with consistency a lot

[rich arch]

Its literally a raw ratio of how often you 4stk vs how often you 3stk
If you 3stk in less than once per 4 kills its worse

[bright cloud]

@rich arch like did you ever think why kn is much more consistent than pre buff qq10

[rich arch]

Thats the better wording

[keen gazelle]

mhm i see

[rich arch]

Bsa ofc

It does make a big difference
But 3 specific body parts in a row

Kn is basically just only hit upper body

[bright cloud]

Oh it doesnt have to be that specific sequence

Its just what i think will probably happen most?

I mean other option is 2/3 chest

[rich arch]

Yeah exactly
Still rare asf

[bright cloud]

Bsa helps but yeah still

[rich arch]

Would it count if I tried both in ranked and see what happens?

[bright cloud]

Actually guess its avg ttk according to fantas calculator

[rich arch]

Bc this is basically rng

[bright cloud]

(Hint her calc is chest bloated)

[rich arch]

192 ms

[bright cloud]

Only way that would work is if you look at which point of body you aimed in head on fights and then when that1guy finishes his bsa hr calc you put that data into the calc

[rich arch]

207 ms jsnt even much worse
And its far more consistent than avg 228

[bright cloud]

195

[rich arch]

86x2..

Bv?

[bright cloud]

172

[rich arch]

Wait yeah im sped

[bright cloud]

Thats like 1ms

[rich arch]

Lmfaoo 😭

[bright cloud]

Lol

[keen gazelle]

me spending 6 hours creating the stat perfect gun, just to die to a kid that actually plays the game

[rich arch]

Ok my brain stopped working there

[bright cloud]

I feel you

[rich arch]

[keen gazelle]

[rich arch]

I do good in ranked as well thankfully

Mx9 strafemaxxing is so fun

[bright cloud]

You know whats issue with physical testing of hr

[rich arch]

Ok I gotta reconsider what I said then

[bright cloud]

Lapa is just a fever dream

Its barrels are wierd

Its an smg with ak bsa

Like bro tf is this shit

[rich arch]

Ok
1 chest/1 arms/1 _ 172ms potential for 13m, 258ms consistent for 23m
Vs
237 for 20m

[rich arch]

Freakiest smg

[bright cloud]

Go to sleep

[rich arch]

I USED A CALCULATOR WHAT

How is that still wrong im killing myself

[bright cloud]

How the bloody fuck did you get 27m 207ms

[rich arch]

20m

Not 27

[bright cloud]

Yeah typo

But still how did you get 20m 207ms

[bright cloud]

How did you go from 237 to 207

[rich arch]

20m 4stk

[bright cloud]

Ik im asking you how tf you got that 4stk is 207ms

[rich arch]

Wait… I typed 69ms not 79ms

CRAP

[bright cloud]

When its 237(prob 240ms but story for another day)

[rich arch]

Fixed

[bright cloud]

(Probably 240ms)

But yea

[rich arch]

Discounting bv

33% difference there ig

To a point this comes down to aim

I have uhhh above average aim? I’ll try both when im rested and come back to you

[bright cloud]

Here is the issue

You have to cherry pick the data to make it fair

[bright cloud]

Nah not that

Whats qq10 4 tap

We talked ab this iirc

[rich arch]

Uhhhhh

Is its interval 76ms

[rich arch]

This is literally so debatable I have to test it bc ingame player consistency matters atp

[bright cloud]

Forget it

[rich arch]

😭

Wait its 86

I think?

[bright cloud]

Yeah but like if you included killing people from back id make 0 sense

[bright cloud]

Good night mellow

[rich arch]

Sobbing

[bright cloud]

Whats base qq9 rof

[rich arch]

71ms

[bright cloud]

72

[rich arch]

Close wnough

[bright cloud]

(This is whats written in stats page)

If qq10 is +10% fi whats its fi

[rich arch]

Uh

79ms

That was my third guess 😔

[bright cloud]

What if i told you both are wrong

Because real qq9 fire interval is 72.(72)

[rich arch]

[bright cloud]

Aka 825 rpm

That would make qq10 80ms/750rpm

[rich arch]

Makes sense

Idk any rpms

[bright cloud]

I think its same situation with lapa

260.8ms ttk vs 240ms ttk 4 shot

[rich arch]

So its just slightly worse

240ms jsnt good but 260ms is just bad

[bright cloud]

But ranger has 173.9

[rich arch]

potential
For only 13m as well

Imo 5x more consistent 4stk for twice the range at a better 4stk ttk is better but I’ll test it later

[bright cloud]

Ofc

[mellow fractal]

What's the best JAK-12 build for MP rn

Preferably featuring the new phoenix rounds

[mellow fractal]

Thx

[strange rivet]

5mw can be tac laser and np

[mellow fractal]

Thx

[rotund drift]

Ak117 please

[rich arch]

Bro has converted to the W formatting

[strange rivet]

ive always done that tho

[rich arch]

Oh

[bright cloud]

Idot

[rich arch]

Wha

How could I have known

[bright cloud]

How could have you not

[rich arch]

Bro appeared out of the blue some day

[bright cloud]

And used that format since start

[rich arch]

😭

[bright cloud]

:justwhy:

[rich arch]

I dont think so

But
Idk

[soft root]

[bright cloud]

Jak thermow rekindled my love for jak slugs

[bright cloud]

Thank you

[soft root]

np

[rich arch]

I’ll try it later

[bright cloud]

Full body 2 tap is so fucking dumb lol

[rich arch]

Whats the fi again

[rotund drift]

Thanks

[rotund drift]

You got jak12 gun smith?

[strange rivet]

_ _

here

slug gunsmith idk mellow has one

[bright cloud]

177

[bright cloud]

Slugs
Combat stock
Sleight of hand
Tactical suppressor
Granulated grip

[rotund drift]

Thank q

[rich arch]

Val dmr speed hmm
Bad mobility and mag tho

[bright cloud]

Yesnt

With light stock jak12 is 3.47m/s strafe+266ms ads speed

[rich arch]

Oh right balls bsa

[rich arch]

Trash bsa

[bright cloud]

Wow you rly need sleep

[rich arch]

Ah yes 40 bsa is so good

And sacrificing 20% BSA really helps

[bright cloud]

It is

😭

[rich arch]

[bright cloud]

How good is oden bsa

[rich arch]

I can’t answer that

Doesnt work normally

[bright cloud]

EXAAAAAAACTLY

[rich arch]

Or smth

[bright cloud]

BECAUSE ITS A SHOTGUN

AND WHAT IS JAK12??

[rich arch]

But how tf can 40 ever be good

Oden is still like 17 or smth

[bright cloud]

Cuz slugs give it very small spread pattern

Since its 1 pellet

Thats how all slugs work

By15 slugs too

Etc etc etc

[rich arch]

OH

But

I’ll just test it later actually