codm-gunsmith-help

[digital needle]

Anti-aircraft ironsight

[viscid belfry]

frag..

[dusty heart]

Aesthetic

[rich arch]

Me acting as if I paid for it:

[rich arch]

Not for gameplay

I picked it up once

And holy crap I only got a kill from spraying

And im an ul main 😭

[viscid belfry]

the smoke on it when u kill its bad

[rich arch]

That too

[viscid belfry]

unique but bad

[rich arch]

But the sight is one of the most if not THE most obstructive legendaries

[dusty heart]

Sync fov and that sight is nice

[rich arch]

Is pk good?

[tawny isle]

yes

[rich arch]

I personally love it, though the mythic is shaky

[rich arch]

I use sync
And its pain
Electric shock is sweet

[tawny isle]

i love mythic irons

[rich arch]

How about giving me a build for it?

[viscid belfry]

if u prefear stable guns its decent

[rich arch]

I used to use it but it was a while ago

[dusty heart]

Pk is a well balanced ar

[tawny isle]

@rich arch

[rich arch]

Theres the irons, super clean

[tawny isle]

lowest hit flinch for a flex weapon

[dusty heart]

My fav ar rn has to be lk tho

[dusty heart]

Literally no recoil or flinch

[rich arch]

Show the suppressor and mag smh

[rich arch]

Can I get a build for that too?

[tawny isle]

recoil is actually much more challenging than most

[rich arch]

Slow internet sorry

[tawny isle]

raphael’s build

[viscid belfry]

for a mythic the sight its bad but for gun itself its nice

[rich arch]

Thx

[rich arch]

Yup lol

[half fulcrum]

It’s an older pic, I got it maxed too

[tawny isle]

i like sights

[rich arch]

I meant for lk

[rich arch]

Ah nice nice

[tawny isle]

ohh

tac sup, owc marksman, strike stock, ext mag, gran

[dusty heart]

Gran to ranger barrel

[rich arch]

Tac sup
Ranger barrel
50 rd mag
Red dot
Tac laser/gran/no stock

Dang

Thank you guys

[crimson arch]

hello chat

[dusty heart]

Sup

[rich arch]

Or integral sup barrel, 50 rd mag, red dot, tac and gran if youre going more aggro

[crimson arch]

whats the best build for m4

[rich arch]

Still has crazy bsa and recoil

[rich arch]

Tac sup, marksman barrel, no stock, 50 rd mag, tac laser or gran

[tawny isle]

mono sup, ranger barrel, no stock, tac laser, 50 rnd ext

[rich arch]

Marksman > ranger for m4

Ranger already kills mobility

I'd say that too

[crimson arch]

how do i unlock 50 rd mag

[tawny isle]

level up

[crimson arch]

max level

[rich arch]

Marksman is a bit more but has a lot better pluses

[rich arch]

Grinding with it or xp cards

[rich arch]

Spend XP cards or use the gun

[crimson arch]

wait does it unlock at a level

[tawny isle]

yeah

[rich arch]

Yup

[crimson arch]

im max level i might have it and not realized

[rich arch]

Yeah one of them

If its maxed fs
Itll just be labeled extended b probs

[tawny isle]

i run short barrel, no stock, gran, 50 rnd and tac laser

[tepid notch]

What is the best setup for kn-44

[crimson arch]

is the short barrel good?

[tepid notch]

@rich arch can you tell for kn-44

[dusty heart]

I dig this combo

[unique schooner]

lame

[dusty heart]

M4 is better passive since it does not kill fast

[tawny isle]

yeah for aggro

[crimson arch]

okok

im playing agro most of the time

[vast aspen]

mono, ranger/gran, no stock, mag, tac laser or u can do ranger + gran and remove laser

[tawny isle]

but yeah it has 176 ms ttk with 2 headshots

its hard to do 2 headshots

[dusty heart]

With a short range to it

[tawny isle]

yeah marksman prob better

[rich arch]

Tac sup
Tac laser or gran
38 rd fast mag
Ranger barrel
No stock or gran

[vast aspen]

yes marksman

[rich arch]

Use integral barrel atp

Save yourself a slot and use gran

[vast aspen]

for m4 aggro use short barrel

[tawny isle]

for kn i run this

[rich arch]

Integral is basically the same except it saves you a slot which negates negatives more soo

[vast aspen]

Uh mono, short barrel, gran, mag still saves a slot

[vast aspen]

yes good

[rich arch]

No?

Mono + short barrel = 2 attachments
Intergral = 1 attachment

[vast aspen]

integral sucks lol, short barrel better

[rich arch]

How so?

[tawny isle]

short barrel has mvt buffs and as well

[rich arch]

Eh still

[tawny isle]

i never knew m4 had integrated supressor

[austere garnet]

have any a accwith a leg thype 19 pls i want test this gun thx

[rich arch]

Id rather keep some range performance

[rich arch]

This really good?
What I've been using for kn so far is ranger,combat stock, fast extended mag, tac sup, and gran

[rich arch]

There isn’t even a legendary type 19

[vast aspen]

I run no stock

[rich arch]

Ahh

[tawny isle]

no range boost or debuffs

[rich arch]

Better mobility

[austere garnet]

did have any a acc with leg gun skins i want have this acc

[rich arch]

It allows for an extra slot for gran

[tawny isle]

i dont even run sup for m4 😭

[rich arch]

💀

[tawny isle]

ill try though

[crimson arch]

yes

i just played a match with short barrel and played really argo using slide peaks alot and it was good

[vast aspen]

lol short barrel better for barely any negatives

[rich arch]

Strafe speed is the only real bonus

[ruby temple]

Probably trying so steal someone's account

[tawny isle]

horizontal recoil doesnt matter on m4

[rich arch]

Basically you get rither 12% better bsa or 12% better strafe

[vast aspen]

wdym lol it's 4% movement speed and way more ads speed

[rich arch]

Lmao

[crimson arch]

is that good

[vast aspen]

16% better strafe

[rich arch]

Tac or mono take down more ads speed so its the same

[tawny isle]

for super aggro and if you are better than all the meta spammers then run short barrel

[tired grove]

No, no

[rich arch]

4% movement speed isn’t much ino

[crimson arch]

what should i use instead?

[vast aspen]

it is considering it buffs every mobility stat lol

[tawny isle]

second build for snd

[vast aspen]

sprint, strafe, walk

[bright cloud]

@vast aspen you have heiderns m4 graph?

[rich arch]

Eh ig

[vast aspen]

let me send

[bright cloud]

Okay

[bright cloud]

[crimson arch]

what do i use instead

[tired grove]

Use Monolithic suppressor, remove no stock

[rich arch]

Run tac sup not mono

[bright cloud]

Disabled on ar is dumb

[rich arch]

At the least

[crimson arch]

why

[tawny isle]

they are pretty much the same

[crimson arch]

doesn’t no stock make u faster

[narrow glen]

@crimson arch, 25 Server Rank

[tawny isle]

bottom is short barrel

[crimson arch]

i’m playing argo

[tawny isle]

and top is integrated

[rich arch]

[bright cloud]

Mono increases range

[vast aspen]

no short barrel does

[tawny isle]

no stock as well

[vast aspen]

and mono increases range

[rich arch]

No stock does too

[bright cloud]

Look at that mobility and repeat they are same

[rich arch]

With the bsa its not much difference

[vast aspen]

it's m4's fault

[vast aspen]

ofc

[rich arch]

[vast aspen]

yea m4 bsa pretty gae

[tawny isle]

strafe speed is really the only difference that i notice when testing

[rich arch]

Oh well, why argue about m4 when ul exists?

[vast aspen]

true

[rich arch]

[tawny isle]

when kilo exists

[vast aspen]

yes

[rich arch]

Ul > kilo

[tawny isle]

krig>kilo

[bright cloud]

Its .5 thats huge bruh

[rich arch]

Krig = trash sights and aim shake 😭

[bright cloud]

M16* when talking about passive ar

[vast aspen]

get mythic

[bright cloud]

I use base irons no problem

[tawny isle]

rds joined the chat

[vast aspen]

you're alien

[tawny isle]

.

[rich arch]

Krig can’t afford a slot

[rich arch]

What joseph said 💀

[rich arch]

Just spend $150

[vast aspen]

yes

[tawny isle]

it can actually

[rich arch]

Uhh no

Similar to em2 in that regard

[vast aspen]

black ops gun rds is very tough

[rich arch]

Im f2p 💀

[tired grove]

I use red dot on krig 6

[bright cloud]

I have green eyes and as a serbian politician said people with green or blue eyes are aliens

[vast aspen]

cuz every attachment of black ops is good

[rich arch]

💀

[tired grove]

I'm also dude

[vast aspen]

wow

[rich arch]

Critical tbh

[bright cloud]

Em2 actualy has good sight

[rich arch]

🤝

[rich arch]

👽

[tired grove]

Just have three free Legendary weapons

[bright cloud]

Bro we analysed groza and that mf needs 7 attachment slots

[tired grove]

And over 100 epic blueprints

[rich arch]

Real

Give ul 6 pls

[vast aspen]

imagine if black ops gun could have 10 attachments

[rich arch]

How 3? I have like 300-400 epics tho

[vast aspen]

[vast aspen]

probably ul736 china

[bright cloud]

Barrel surpresor stock grip mag laser and foregrip are all stupidky good attachments

[rich arch]

Theres only 9 attachment types on a gun

[vast aspen]

tru

[rich arch]

S36 you mean? 😭

[tired grove]

I said I have 3 Legendary blueprints & over 100 epic blueprints

[chrome sundial]

Probably from Halloween or Christmas event

[rich arch]

Ik drh and m4 coyld be for free but-

[rich arch]

Oh true

[tired grove]

Don't have that Legendary Scar

[rich arch]

[tired grove]

Just have M4, Maddox & Holger

[chrome sundial]

Yup Halloween event

[rich arch]

Sheesh two in one go

I got none from either armory

[chrome sundial]

Same

[rich arch]

😭😭😭

[chrome sundial]

I'm just gonna save those tokens for a guaranteed leggy

[rich arch]

Eh thats fair

[tired grove]

Yeah

[rich arch]

Crazy luck

[tawny isle]

@rich arch

slow wifi

they abt the same

krig just is forced to a lower range profile

[bright cloud]

Again rds severly limits you as you cant use stock so subpar strafe

[rich arch]

No agile stock L

[bright cloud]

Exactly

[rich arch]

And krig has bad aim shake

I do not recommend it

[bright cloud]

Not that ba-....any opinion on sights from me should be banned

Like koshka ads animation amd tundra animation are exactly same idk what people are tripping. Tundra feels more sudden but still doesnt matter when its clear when you are fully ads-ed

[tawny isle]

ykw ill just try and be you lmao

get used yo it

[rich arch]

Erm

😭

[tawny isle]

i agree with this

add outlaw as well

[rich arch]

They all feel different, maybe its the koshka scope I use though

[tawny isle]

outlaw>koshka and tundra

[bright cloud]

Actualy that is the reason im that way

I used holo on all my guns

[rich arch]

Hitbox <

[tawny isle]

ruckus also said to get used to it

[tawny isle]

i have nearly 0 problems with hitbox fsr

[bright cloud]

Then one day i wamted to start using meta guns and saw noone was using optics on meta guns so i jusz forced myself to get used to it

[bright cloud]

Same for recoil

[rich arch]

I only do that with arctic

[rich arch]

😭

[bright cloud]

Maybe thats the was i am. In any game i will always use the hardest to use thing as long as its best

[bright cloud]

I literally dont count outlaw with those but rather with marksmans

[rich arch]

Makes sense

[tawny isle]

i got used to holger sights, i can get used to krig

[bright cloud]

I didnt even know krig had trash sights till people told me that

[crimson arch]

is the ironsights on the free leggy good?

[bright cloud]

I better not answer lmfao

[crimson arch]

why not

[bright cloud]

Soghts dont make diff to me i just said above

[crimson arch]

ohhh

[chrome sundial]

They're good for both the leggys

[crimson arch]

f2p life is wish i bought one

[chrome sundial]

?

[crimson arch]

a leggy

[zinc verge]

Krig 6 is my jam

[clear tide]

based af

[chrome sundial]

Red dot since the iron sight isn't that great for long range br

[verbal robin]

U mean red dot one is better for br?

[chrome sundial]

For me, yeah

[vale lichen]

[verbal robin]

@chrome sundial did you see this?

👆👆👆👆

[vale lichen]

No difference but rds improve aim shake

[chrome sundial]

Yes I did, and that was my personal opinion. In the end it's all up to you which one to use.

[verbal robin]

U mean I shouldn't use red dote one

[vale lichen]

I mean its better to use rds on BR build

[verbal robin]

...

[vale lichen]

MP-no rds unless it got bad iron

[verbal robin]

Oh

[verbal robin]

It's good for close ranges

[vale lichen]

Waste of slot on MP

[rich arch]

@unreal gale @ornate jackal

How's this?

[unreal gale]

Idk mow builds

Looks okay. Maybe swap either the barrel or supp out for something lighter

[ornate jackal]

Thats a good standard build, u really dont need that much range tho

[unreal gale]

And if you only have base mow, I recommend red dot

[ornate jackal]

I personally dont like colo sup so tac is good

[unreal gale]

Not exactly the best irons in the game

[rain holly]

id suggest maybe go for cntrol and mobility

[ornate jackal]

Thats exactly what i do lol

[unreal gale]

I want to test out lk24 Frick

[rich arch]

Usually it's either control or mobility

You can't have both

[ornate jackal]

Recoil, strafe and movement speed

[rich arch]

Unless you try to meet in the middle

[rain holly]

thats what i meant

[narrow glen]

@rain holly, 2 Server Rank

[rich arch]

I see

[ornate jackal]

Mow is more of a passive gun tho so u shouldnt go for ads time or anything

[rain holly]

why use mow though

[rich arch]

Ok

[rain holly]

there are better guns that exist

[rich arch]

Because of the 3 tap consistency

[vast aspen]

true

[vast aspen]

38m 3 shot full body is oomphh

[ornate jackal]

2taps head 1st range, 3taps head all ranges, 3tap goes brrr, good mag good recoil

[rich arch]

Or just use mythic switchblade

AA goes brrr

[rain holly]

i think i am just bad at the game then 😔

[ornate jackal]

Whenever i download game back, ill show my build and u can try it, test it and tweak it to ur preference and ill help

[rich arch]

Thx my man

Appreciate it

[vale lichen]

Thats sunny for you

[viscid belfry]

[keen gazelle]

handling

[viscid belfry]

y u quitted?

[keen gazelle]

only reason people use off meta, its overall aim shake, ads animation, recoil, reload

[ornate jackal]

Frustration

[viscid belfry]

on what

[ornate jackal]

Played all day just to go on a losing streak

[viscid belfry]

keep grinding damascus then

[ornate jackal]

Made all my games = to not playing at all

[keen gazelle]

become a 1v1 player

i quit ranked and only do 1’s😭

[ornate jackal]

I suck at 1v1s lol especially cause all everyone wants to play is shipment

[viscid belfry]

just to make streak longer?

[ornate jackal]

It’s repetitive and i do not have the gun skill to do well in 1v1s yet

[viscid belfry]

practicr

practice

[ornate jackal]

I did, i started back on shotguns

Will download today and just get better fr

[viscid belfry]

im bad and i lose against everyone and im still here

[viscid belfry]

do that

never give up

if u want quit again call rick

[ornate jackal]

Gonna try what sunny said, practice aim in training range

[bright cloud]

Reccomended passive mow build but use kight not combat

[keen gazelle]

or

1v1’s

[ornate jackal]

Wont that force me to play close range

I dont wanna be a fennec user

[keen gazelle]

rust

also you can play passive in 1’s

[rich arch]

How did you mute the announcer?

And what gun was that?

[keen gazelle]

man i muted him since the first week of codm 😭 you should too

lemme show you rn how

[ornate jackal]

I lose cause people start using nades or melee to get me out of corners, or when i myself hop out my corner and get beamed from another angle

[ornate jackal]

Lk24

[keen gazelle]

“Team Voice Volume” and the gun I use is the LK24

[keen gazelle]

play smarter 🤷‍♂️ happens to me so you just gotta adjust and have a loadout for those cases yk

i won a game once by killing myself since nades were allowed and just setting spawns for myself

[keen gazelle]

idk ive js been playing for soo long that ik how to do 1’s since its all i do

but its practice knowing where the enemy is at

[ornate jackal]

Scrim against me tomorrow?

[keen gazelle]

against? i would if i had a team lol

[ornate jackal]

Well not scrim but like 1v1

[keen gazelle]

or do you mean 1v1? nvr heard anybody call it a scrim lol

[ornate jackal]

To see where im at

I didnt think spar was the right word so said scrim

[keen gazelle]

i js say run the 1’s lol but im down

you like snipers or any gun? i prefer any gun rust but everybody does ship

[bright cloud]

I have opposite problem my game sense is pretty good but my aim is dogshit since i returned vack to the game few months ago

[shadow hound]

🗣️

imma name it Intervention

[ornate jackal]

Any guns

Snipers im not getting into that rn

Ill just hardscope and wallbang and call it a day

[rain holly]

there are guns that handle better

[keen gazelle]

for you yes, for others maybe the mow is perfect

as for me i think the amax is almost perfect, would rather use it than anything else but most people rather meta

[rain holly]

i mean ion even use assault rifles i snipe so yeah can say

[narrow glen]

@rain holly, 3 Server Rank

[rain holly]

man i tried amax but shat so bad like for me m4 is good i have had some clips with the m4

[keen gazelle]

yeah exactly, bad gun imo but the handling is probably very good for you

[rich arch]

I thought I was the only one using wounding perk

Glad to see I was wrong

[rain holly]

i have used m4 so much at this point so yeah can say

[keen gazelle]

very very good perk but only for snd and 1v1’s

i havnt seen it work too much in respawns

and if it did work, most people run stims

[vast aspen]

amax BR goes crazy

[rich arch]

Domination and hardpoint too, you can't run trophy system and stim at the same time

[slim kettle]

Should I go Akimbo for the Fennec or should I keep it single

[vale lichen]

Single

[slim kettle]

Cringe

[narrow glen]

@slim kettle, 13 Server Rank

[unreal gale]

Nah stims are pretty rare

[next mantle]

J22jj2bwhw

Ieii3ue

[rich arch]

Domination and hardpoint as well

People there run trophy

[next mantle]

[ornate jackal]

Only good players run stim in snd

[next mantle]

I won

[ornate jackal]

Everyone else runs trip sensor or like concussion

[unreal gale]

Heartbeat

[next mantle]

With mvp

[rain holly]

trip sensor or trip mine is better though

[unreal gale]

Trip mine is a lethal

[vale lichen]

Death can take me when it earns me ~non stim players

[rain holly]

ah my bad my bad but still like trip sensor plus c4 is a great combo

for snd

or smoke or nade

[vale lichen]

Smoke tactical + molly

I use spear to rush smoke

[unreal gale]

Only to come out the other side and see 3 people hardscoping you

[vale lichen]

💀happens everyone on Tunisia

[rich arch]

Terminal is worse

[vale lichen]

Wrong, crash exist

[rich arch]

You can't push because there's always someone hardscoping somewhere

I can handle crash

I always go mid

[shadow hound]

Crash too

[vale lichen]

Me accepting my fate

[unique schooner]

no way bruh made it into a gif

[vale lichen]

loop continues

[restive shard]

Please loadaut GKS

[keen gazelle]

really? normally youre one against wounding in respawns

[ornate jackal]

He is

I started using it a lot heavier when i started playing with the 4am clan, when ur 4-5 stacking in specific modes ur gonna wanna help the people u play with

Now it’s just a second nature to me anything persistence or for hp and dom or snd boom wounding

Tdm builds i mainly use lmgs that use disable

[unreal gale]

I am

but no one uses stims nevertheless xD

people use either trophies or gas usually

[unreal gale]

wait if you want to help your team, you should just hold your own entrances or kill the players or just shoot them at the same time

[bright cloud]

Oh trust me they do

[unreal gale]

that's not a reason to use wounding

[bright cloud]

Some mfs attacked me for saying stims is worse than other tactical advantage tacticals(in my case trophy emp echo and heartbeat)

[unreal gale]

I mean it is

best tactical for respawns is gas grenade by far imo

[bright cloud]

I generaly classify tacticals as enemy hindarence lane blocking and tactical advantage

[bright cloud]

Gas came darn close second for lane blocking

[unreal gale]

gas is top for all 3 categories

literally.

[rich arch]

I always walk into it

So not the best choice for some

[bright cloud]

Dumbass💀

[unreal gale]

1. enemy hinderance in that people literally can't shoot anymore.
2. lane blocking in that people hate going through it so they go around
3. tactical advantage in that even if they go through it, you know exactly where they are because a hit marker apepars

[bright cloud]

By enemy hinderence we meant anything used to affect a single possibly two players

[rich arch]

😭

[unreal gale]

gas grenades can affect infinite players that go through it

[bright cloud]

Same as single target letzals. Frag can kill multiple enemies but thats not primary usage

[rich arch]

Hard not to rush sometimes

[bright cloud]

We call that aoe(for lethals) or lane blocking(for tacticals)

[rich arch]

Frag kills are pretty rare

[bright cloud]

If you learn angles nah

[rich arch]

Hm ig

[unreal gale]

idk why you're classifying the tacticals in different categories when most of them do literally everything

[bright cloud]

Thats my secret weapon. Learning angles for utiliries lmfao

[unreal gale]

and sticky grenade and frag in different catgeories? what?

[rich arch]

Agreed except concussion > flashbang

[unreal gale]

the categories you put up there literally make no sense

[bright cloud]

I think it was very clear in my mind when i used each one of them and compared them. E.g. enemy hinderance each one is used to primarly affect one enemy so you can get an easier kill

[rich arch]

I just do that with tripmines

[ornate jackal]

Really u see it that often?

[unreal gale]

you can block a corridor with a molotov too.

[unreal gale]

people don't use it because they hate it

but for people who are shameless like me, it's op

[bright cloud]

Sticky more aoe but cant effectively utilise amgles as well as frag does

[ornate jackal]

Even after buff ive only recently started seeing it in the crazy games ive had

[unreal gale]

that's not what your category says

[ornate jackal]

So what do u use for lethals

[unreal gale]

I use either contact or molotov. I don't really use lethals much in effective game play

[bright cloud]

The names are a lil wierd but point is there. You are gonna throw thermite or trip mine at doors but you are gonna throw molotov or sticky on a large area, mainly hp

[ornate jackal]

Ive been using frag + moz for persi sets and wanna know should that be frag + contact or contact + moz

[unreal gale]

you can use each of the thigns in category in other categories too

[bright cloud]

Yes it does?

[unreal gale]

there is no distinction

[bright cloud]

Not prime usage

[unreal gale]

there is no "prime usage"

you use each one when you need to use it

you don't wait for "prime usage" to use your grenades

hp nuketown. you just chuck whatever lethal you have on p1

[bright cloud]

Frag is best used for angles. Like you are on a so you throw frag at c and kill enemy capturing c

[narrow glen]

@bright cloud, 28 Server Rank

[unreal gale]

literally doesn't matter what you have

[craggy needle]

Guys

[bright cloud]

Each lethal should be thrown differentky tho

[craggy needle]

Where is the Chat for searching mates?

[unreal gale]

no, frag is the only one that can be used for angles

[deep glacier]

I mean, there's spots that you can use when you've got nades that you can't use with stickies or mollies, and vice versa

[unreal gale]

and how does "can use angles" have anything to do with "single target"?

[deep glacier]

Each does it's own thing, you're not gonna long throw a sticky

[bright cloud]

There are tomahawk angles due to unique arch. Same for contact

[bright cloud]

For aoe section its clear

[unreal gale]

no jack. the point is it makes no sense to classify grenades that all do splash in different categories.

the bounce-ability of frags is unique to frags. why would you put contact and tomahawk in the same category then?

[bright cloud]

Moly sticky and cluster all hav great area of effect for breaking in hardpoints

[deep glacier]

But the categories are based off of how you can throw them, not the kind of damage they deal

[unreal gale]

so do frags and molotovs

[ornate jackal]

Tomahawk also bounces similarly to frags

[unreal gale]

the distinction is meaningless

[deep glacier]

Moly = Molotov's

And frags don't have the area denial capability of mollies, thermites

[unreal gale]

it's much better to separate the lethals into offensive and defensive categories

[deep glacier]

(dunno how clusters are now, I haven't met one since the release and back then it was garbage)

[ornate jackal]

Thermites are poop and do not deny areas

[unreal gale]

but even then, you can literally use most of them for both

again, absolutely pointless distinction

[deep glacier]

True, but I have PTSD

[ornate jackal]

Im sure gas grenade and even cryo bombs are better for obstruction

[unreal gale]

all you have said so far is that different grenades have different unique attributes. well yeah, thats why they're different grenades

[ornate jackal]

Can we get br nades in mp

[unreal gale]

I'm leaving the game if they add nova gas to ranked

[ornate jackal]

Half of them come around like once a year

[deep glacier]

Imagine the Spotter class, but an MP low tier scorestreak

[ornate jackal]

So cluster strike?

[bright cloud]

The points is they are all used to kill single enemy from one part of map to other

[deep glacier]

lower tier

[keen gazelle]

me when i wait for the perfect timing just to get shot by the first 3 guys

[deep glacier]

Also

[ornate jackal]

Lightning strike then

[deep glacier]

NukeTown is garbage

[ornate jackal]

[keen gazelle]

nah

[keen gazelle]

i play super passive in nuke and once you get streaks going its easy to rush

[ornate jackal]

This has happened to me a lot actually i just chunk in general area of the objective or where i think enemies will be

Sometimes i do it just to get rid of trophies for my mates

[bright cloud]

No. You are gonna use frag tpmahawk and contact to kill a single enemy. Moly cluster and sticky tp affect ebery enemy in a hill. Thermite trip mine and c4 put on doorways or tricky angles to ,,trap" enemies and kill them for passong a doorway

[bright cloud]

Bruh imagine

[deep glacier]

Fuck C4

All my homies hate C4

[ornate jackal]

C4 is very good if ur creative

[bright cloud]

It is very impractical

[ornate jackal]

Putting c4 in between the bomb, right under van to blow up, on objects, in doorways, literally above peoples heads

[deep glacier]

I've rarely seen it being used creatively, those I'd respect

Most of the time it's "chuck it over a wall on a HP and kill everyone"

[keen gazelle]

you can throw it like no other lethal how is it impractical

[bright cloud]

Requores too much multitasking tp be used as an effective corrifor blocking

[bright cloud]

Not the best way to use c4 bruh

[keen gazelle]

Tunisia is c4 paradise lol

[bright cloud]

Anyone who does that why bother with c4 at that point

[ornate jackal]

Only if u chunk it at the beginning of the game and let it sit while camping a different area

[deep glacier]

Cuz nothing else quite does that

[ornate jackal]

Terminal and raid snd peak c4 use

[deep glacier]

Frags kinda do, but you gotta cook them, and it still takes longer than C4 and has the marker thingy that the enemy sees

[ornate jackal]

I forgot who it was i think bryan that said trip sensor + c4, great combo

[deep glacier]

Plus the explosion size for C4 feels bigger than frags

[rich arch]

Many use c4 aggravatingly well

[bright cloud]

I think it was mellow. And ot is toxic asf

[keen gazelle]

yk nobody takes you seriously with these takes right 😭 but keep talking i wanna hear how “bad” the c4 is

[ornate jackal]

I prefer trip sensor + trip mine just slightly more

[unreal gale]

who cares how many enemies you "aim to kill"? are you seriously telling me that when you make a loadout, you think "I only want to kill 1-2 people, so let me choose contact"

[ornate jackal]

C4 has too bad range, im not patient enough to keep it on my screen unless im defending bomb

[rich arch]

Heartbeat > sensor anyway

[unreal gale]

like seriously?

[ornate jackal]

I also dont like how u cant place it on ur teammates

That would be so cheese

[unreal gale]

no you just choose the grenades based on what you want to use

[ornate jackal]

Imagine ur teammates in a 1v1 so u blow up ur c4 and boom enemy died

[unreal gale]

the grenades are all different, so you might as well make a different category for every grenade

[bright cloud]

You dont

[ornate jackal]

I stopped using hb sensor cause i was told it messes up ur game sense

[keen gazelle]

b-BuT tHe CateGorieS

[ornate jackal]

Started relying on just map awareness

[keen gazelle]

nobody does be real with yourself 😭 even sunny is cooking your sh**💀

[bright cloud]

Yes i choose based on what i want. If its hp loadout and im playing anchor ill pick aoe lethal and enemy hinderance tactical

[unreal gale]

like you say contact grenade is better than frag. The 2 are literally completely different in use case

[bright cloud]

?

[unreal gale]

you put them in the same category lol

[keen gazelle]

one bounces one doesnt, how can you compare them???

[bright cloud]

Exactly

[unreal gale]

and you ranked contact higher

[keen gazelle]

legit how are they comparable one bounces one doesnt😭😭 am i missing something @unreal gale

[bright cloud]

Bith are used to kill single enemy from long ranges

[ornate jackal]

I think contact can do what frag does for me im just not sure

[unreal gale]

and sticky is not? what?

[bright cloud]

Gotta go to sleep anyway

[keen gazelle]

sticky grenade?

thermite??

[unreal gale]

just split them into long distance chuckable and not long distance chuckable then

[rich arch]

I mean I do sorta crutch on it in snd icl 💀 but if you use it sparingly its fjne

[unreal gale]

since you chuck all the long distance chuckables at the hp from a long distance anyway

[deep glacier]

Where FearMyBlades so he just shuts us all up with his tomahawks

[ornate jackal]

Sticky has bad range essentially i see it as moztov that kills

[keen gazelle]

actually ita a long range 🤓

its categorized next to moly because they both fly 🥸🤓

[unreal gale]

and yet he puts it in aoe

[keen gazelle]

anyways he left after he saw he was getting cooked like a nade 😭

[unreal gale]

and frag in single target

[keen gazelle]

frag in single and not aoe???

[deep glacier]

if FearMyBlades would say it I'd believe it, coming from him lmao

Dude's nuts with them axes

[unreal gale]

I don't get his categories

only single target is stuff like tripmine and tomohawk

and he puts certain grenades in "corridor blocking"

[keen gazelle]

tripmine killin 2 tho so like..

[unreal gale]

literally everything can be used to block corridors

[ornate jackal]

U guys wouldnt say contact is single target?

[keen gazelle]

it can kill 2

[unreal gale]

the point is it doesn't matter

[ornate jackal]

Trip can kill 3

[keen gazelle]

did you see his c4 take 😭 you shouldnt use it to throw it over or around areas

why else use the c4???💀💀💀

[unreal gale]

if you see a dude coming up the stair and you have a molotov, do you:
A. chuck it at him anyway
or
B. wait but molotov is for multiple targets so let's not use it

like ???

[deep glacier]

mfw sight

[ornate jackal]

People retreating and using c4 to bait thats only other use

[unreal gale]

ranking lethals in general makes very little sense

they all have different use cases and different styles of use, so just pick the one that makes sense

and some of them are more broken than others, so pick the broken ones

[deep glacier]

I mean, kinda

But contact is most of the time better than sticky for the main use case (single kill)

[rich arch]

Realistic sights nice

[keen gazelle]

actually you should use them tactically and 🤓

[deep glacier]

Molly just outclasses stuff for AoE

[unreal gale]

lol

[keen gazelle]

statistically the thermite has a larger radius

i dont believe it but codm says so lol

[unreal gale]

really?

[keen gazelle]

yeah look at the radius codm gives

[ornate jackal]

Yea

[keen gazelle]

from moly against thermite, legit it looks the opposite but

[deep glacier]

Wait you mean the stat bars?

Stat bars in general are a lie

In CoDM they're fucking sins

[keen gazelle]

yeah but these are actually true

[ornate jackal]

Sticking with thermite is fun tho

[unreal gale]

I'm glad there's no thermite meta anymore though

every hardpoint used to have like 3 before lol

[deep glacier]

Kinda prefer it Vs normal BK

Less vertical clutter

[rich arch]

Base bk signts are bad ye

[rich arch]

Its still molotovs though

[ornate jackal]

Base bk is good??

[rich arch]

Eh no

[little mica]

[rich arch]

Too obstructive and feels weird

[unreal gale]

molotovs you can't chuck cross map

[narrow glen]

@little mica, 10 Server Rank

[shadow hound]

what fov do yall use? 🗿

[rich arch]

But you can throw em right into any hardpoint

[unreal gale]

so it's not a spawn chuck moment like thermites were

[rich arch]

90

[ornate jackal]

U dont really need it to exactly

[little mica]

90

[ornate jackal]

Just on a person or path to objective

[unreal gale]

that's a huge difference maker

[shadow hound]

I use 51 🗿

[unreal gale]

you needing to run up to the point to chuck vs spawn chuck

[rich arch]

💀 passive player ig

[ornate jackal]

Delays them from getting there or injures them

[unreal gale]

ends up being like 1/3 as many on the point

[rich arch]

Thats pretty easy

[ornate jackal]

Thats why i pair it with concus

[ornate jackal]

Nah it makes u a target running with it and the throw time u can be killed during it

[unreal gale]

you need to cross the lane against the laser beam guy holding a headglitch to get close to the point

[rich arch]

Hm?

[unreal gale]

the better the lobby, the harder that is

[rich arch]

Run with a gun until youre at the point then throw it

[unreal gale]

that's if you can even get out of your spawn

[rich arch]

Not in closed points

Nuketown for example

[unreal gale]

shoothouse and nuketown are perfect examples

with thermite you can just chuck at point

molotov you have to run up to it

[rich arch]

Thermite rarely grants kills nowadays

[unreal gale]

kills is not the point

you tag them, you make them uncomfortable

they also have slow

[ornate jackal]

I also think that meteorite makes a large difference idk

[unreal gale]

it shouldn't

[ornate jackal]

Like using reg thermite it doesnt feel like its inflicting as much idk

[rich arch]

Doesnt matter when theyre holding down a point

[unreal gale]

it for sure does

[rich arch]

Theyre stationary, movement hardly matter

[keen gazelle]

yall finna make me use thermite again

[unreal gale]

they can't slide peek you anymore, they need to be careful to avoid your thermite

nah just use molotov

[rich arch]

Slide peeks inside hps are rare

[unreal gale]

molotov + gas grenade = blocks off a lane for like half the hardpoint

[unreal gale]

bruh hello? everyone and their mums do that in any decent lobby

[rich arch]

You just have like 3 people holding a corner down and others running around entries

[unreal gale]

in a t4 lobby maybe 🗿

even the average joe spawn traps and powerposition chokes every single point

[rich arch]

Top 5k is the highest ive seen and thats about all I see

Ig I havent seen thermites in too long

[unreal gale]

elo and mmr don't exact correlate very heavily

but regardless, no one just sits in the point these days

ig that one guy that gets half kd and 2 min obj time on your team does

[keen gazelle]

you gotta prone and headglitch onit ✊🏽

[rich arch]

Yeah

[rich arch]

Thats what I do 💀

Somehow I usually get most kills and obj time

[unreal gale]

like you bet that clarissa person just sat in the point

[rich arch]

Since no one else knows how or when to hold a point 😭🙏

[unreal gale]

but sitting in the point is only a thing if your team is holding the point

[rich arch]

Yeah look at the hp times

[unreal gale]

and the whole purpose of everyone else that's not the dude holding the point is to block molotov chuckers from getting near

if the point is getting broken, no one's just gonna sit in there

[rich arch]

Yeah I do that if someones in the point, but thats not often the case so I sit in it

My hp teammates usually have a combined iq of 30

[shadow hound]

Just noticed top 5k is 10k points rn

[rich arch]

Wait what thats really low

[shadow hound]

Fr fr

[unreal gale]

people sit in the point in most of my lobbies

one guy at least

[shadow hound]

Im doing like 500 points a day

[rich arch]

My mains at 8600 and I have another acc at leggy 💀

And im not even playing much rn

[shadow hound]

Fr fr

[rich arch]

There needs to be at least two

[unreal gale]

why>

[rich arch]

One always gets killed 💀

[unreal gale]

the role of everyone else is to protect the dude from getting killed

if he gets killed, your team just sucks

[rich arch]

Roles are nonexistent for my teammates

[unreal gale]

and if people are pushing into the point, that's when you step into the point too to help

[rich arch]

Usually 3 of them just go for kills when they can’t even get them

[deep glacier]

I'm currently not even GM cuz it takes at least 10 minutes for me to find a match, and when I do it's premades for the enemy vs teammates so bad Id rather have bots

[unreal gale]

roles are non existent in general

you just do whatever needs to be done

[rich arch]

Eh ive gotten some enemies that knew darn well what they were doing

[unreal gale]

and everyone does that

[rich arch]

…I wish

[unreal gale]

playing by "roles" is a super t3 scrim team concept

you're basically assuming you can get the anchor and you can get the obj and you can get the power positions

[rich arch]

Nothing like all my teammates fighting on the other side of the map from the hp

[rich arch]

Wdym?

[unreal gale]

okay that's different, but most ranked people aren't like that

most bad teammates tend to rush point and die

kinda the opposite issue

[rich arch]

I get one teammate that does that

[unreal gale]

you don't play by "roles". Everyone just plays whatever role is possible

if you guys have spawns, then one dude anchors. If you guys have obj, one dude objs

otherwise everyone should just be securing power positions and playing for map control

[rich arch]

I either have to carry the whole lobby or im support to one really good teammate usually, ranked is just… special

[rich arch]

Well yeah ofc

[unreal gale]

the team can't just wait for the "obj guys" to obj

[rich arch]

Ik 💀

[unreal gale]

well yeah, then wdym

[rich arch]

People that can’t slay worth crap shouldnt keep running around though

[unreal gale]

they don't though, for te most part in a decent lobby at least

[rich arch]

If you have a 6-15 kd go sit in the point 😭🙏 they usually have like 10 secs of hp time

[unreal gale]

that's because they die

like they can't sit in there

they can't win a gunfight

and they don't camp headglitches

it's not because they don't play obj

[rich arch]

To an extent, if you can’t help in one way, help in the other

[unreal gale]

I mean they're trying to

[rich arch]

…ig… 💀

Some seem legitimately special

[unreal gale]

like they're just bad lol

not really a bad tactic or low iq thing

[rich arch]

Some plays lack braincells more than just skills but eh

[unreal gale]

there are definitely people out there who've never played hp on certain maps before or soemthing

like do you guys not know that certain points are op and you should rotate?

[rich arch]

Slums is the most common for that it seems

Or one of the most common

[unreal gale]

exactly. I was about to say that too

[rich arch]

Its an easy map lol I dont get it

[unreal gale]

terminal and crash too

[rich arch]

Been in the ranked pool for like 2 yrs

[unreal gale]

like it's not that hard. if you're get spawn trapped and keep spawning on the opposite side of the map, maybe secure the spawns first?

[rich arch]

Crash is hard to break so thats fair, but terminal hp gives the least useful teammates ive seen fr

[unreal gale]

I had a game where I carried using my locus lol

no idea what my teammates were doing the whole game

[rich arch]

Theyll be holding some random corner like tf? Im lucky if I get one teammate nesrby the point

[rich arch]

😭😭😭

Some lobbies hit different

Also is this man a human

[shadow hound]

I wanna see his history

[unreal gale]

that's kinda sus

[rich arch]

He got to legendary in like 60 matches with 3 losses and a 10 kd I recall

95/109 mvp

[shadow hound]

He should send a ss of his history and match results

🗿

[unreal gale]

yeah..

[rich arch]

[unreal gale]

dude either completely duked the sbmm algorithm or is sus

[rich arch]

I mean even with a 5 stack thats absolutely absurd

Bc you just pair with other cracked 5 stacks

[unreal gale]

ain't nobody dropping 14kd in t2 lobbies

[rich arch]

Fr

Someone suggested it may just be bot wins

Like yk the free bot invites

[unreal gale]

perhaps. but apparently those don't count toward ranked stats

[rich arch]

Hmm interesting

[unreal gale]

one of my friends was trying to get a 90 ranked kd record

and apparently the bot games don't count

[rich arch]

Ahh gotcha

90 kd would be hilarious

[ornate jackal]

Frag did similar

[unreal gale]

I think he got like 75

[unreal gale]

that's pre sbmm

well, pre modern sbmm

[rich arch]

I can’t even remember the times before that

Partially bc I was trash and lost a lot either way

[ornate jackal]

So thatd be next to impossible now?

[unreal gale]

even ferg talks about it. he literally can't drop nukes anymore

he has to account share, switch accs and do whatever else to duke the sbmm

essentially, sbmm actually works now

[rich arch]

Thats wild

[unreal gale]

so you can't smurf anymore

[ornate jackal]

How would 90 kd even be possible

[unreal gale]

team

and you camp like no one else with a sniper

• you're a high t1 player (and my friend happens to be one)

[rich arch]

Did he achieve even a 13 kd

[unreal gale]

he literally dropped 70 kills in a t2 scrim with a nailgun

[rich arch]

…

[unreal gale]

yeah. he hit like 75

[rich arch]

Oh wth

[ornate jackal]

Nailgub

[rich arch]

Bro is a god

[unreal gale]

you know the shotgun video I always show? that's not me

that's him.

[rich arch]

Maybe horrific is just a t1 player

[rich arch]

Not sure

[ornate jackal]

Sunny are u sure ur not being humble saying ur t2 player

[weary aurora]

can I see the video I’m interested

[unreal gale]

check in #codm-discussion

[unreal gale]

yes. definitely.

I skate t2 if anything

yk you're t2 when you get smoked in t1 lobbies

[ornate jackal]

Thats uh not good for me then

That means its plausible for me to get stuck in ur lobbies despite the gap because they barely pass that level or slightly under

[weary aurora]

your a T1?

[unreal gale]

no

I'm barely t2

I headbutt against someone who's t1 like aerith, and I'm going negative for sure

[weary aurora]

So doggo would be a T1

[unreal gale]

idk who doggo is

[unreal gale]

most lb players are only t2

[rich arch]

No way is a br player this cracked at mp 💀

[weary aurora]

your quite nice

[rich arch]

Yeah

[unreal gale]

that shotgun video isn't me

that's my friend. that's what a t1 looks like

[rich arch]

Lb players are overtated, I see them bottom frag too often

[unreal gale]

most actual lb players are t2

which is... pretty good

[weary aurora]

Beat aerith in a sniper 1v1 excuted her and wins matches against her when they get paired

[rich arch]

And I shouldn’t have gotten 11-1 on a top 20 player

[unreal gale]

if you stack with 4 other t2s as a t2, your team is pretty hard to beat

[rich arch]

Yes but people think theyre gods or smth

[unreal gale]

lol you popped off

[rich arch]

Im good at raid but still 😭

I think the one time I died I got flashbanged while vaulting over into the mid

Actually I think I fought deespair in an hp match before that, he did a bit better there but I think I still won

[unreal gale]

aerith doesn't snipe

and ranked match wins is kinda hard to say. more team dependent than anything else

but if you're an equal match to a t1 player in general, you're t1

[tawny isle]

i love grinding battle pass

[ornate jackal]

Ur just facing the bad ones

[unreal gale]

these tiers are super abitary. people just use it as a ball park measure

[ornate jackal]

I face more regular players (or at least unknown to me) that are good then actual good ppl with lb or top 5k status

[rich arch]

Ive seen people show top 3s flop 💀

[unreal gale]

I've beaten a bunch of tribe people in ranked. doesn't mean I'm t1 lol

[rich arch]

Though ig everyone has bad days

[keen gazelle]

bro hasnt beaten me 😈

[ornate jackal]

But lately ive been getting more good top 5k like just consistent top 100s top 15s

[rich arch]

Have yall fought before

[unreal gale]

actually I have. twice

[keen gazelle]

yes 😕

[rich arch]

Rip

[rich arch]

Out of how many matches

[unreal gale]

2

[rich arch]

💀

[keen gazelle]

acutally 🤓 its cause i didnt have my meta amax thats why i lost obviously 😡

[unreal gale]

I matched him back to back once out of the blue

[ornate jackal]

But u could beat them in 1s possibly which could mean ur more skilled

[rich arch]

Oh lmao

[unreal gale]

ehhh

[rich arch]

You’d hold your own against them fs

[ornate jackal]

Id be more afraid of matching sunny then matching angelz

[rich arch]

Who

[ornate jackal]

No.2 or 3 on lb

[rich arch]

Oh yeah same 💀

[unreal gale]

have you played against 8 goat Leo?

[ornate jackal]

Ive played with and against him he doesnt seem that good he probably just abuse’s lobbies

[unreal gale]

or Valox or whatever his name was

[rich arch]

I dont think so…

Ive seen other leos not him I dont think 💀

[unreal gale]

you match them and every gunfight you just feel like they're better

you can definitely beat them and win and everything but it feels like you cheaped them off

[rich arch]

When you play 8 hrs a day its natural to get pretty good

[unreal gale]

they don't though

it's just they have 3 people playing

[rich arch]

[ornate jackal]

Leo isnt even the best lb player ive played

[rich arch]

So you’re fighting one of three people 💀

[ornate jackal]

I only knew it was legit one cause he was like top 2 with hvk and i checked his profile and it checked out

[unreal gale]

leo is t2

so yeah, definitely not "top"

[unreal gale]

yeah

so also kinda hard to say when you match against a top lb guy

[ornate jackal]

He was 2/7 kd half way thru our tdm match

But i cant talk cause i went 2/11

[rich arch]

I keep getting some nerd named LeoGold thats lb for oden in mp, so he plays nonstop and literally doesnt move 😭

In most maps I can counter him but in hijacked 💀🔫

[rich arch]

Lmao

[ornate jackal]

And hes top 5 now

Like on lb he was 13 then

[rich arch]

Bro is a legit sweat

[shadow hound]

Nah he has to show us his match history

[rich arch]

Fr 💀

Hmm what sniper should I use 🌚

[rich arch]

Is ul736 good?

[rich arch]

Oh yeah totally not

[rich arch]

Hmmm I don’t think so

Best lmg lol

[rich arch]

It’s not 3 tap anymore right

[narrow glen]

@rich arch, 14 Server Rank

[ornate jackal]

It can

[ornate jackal]

Pushin it bud

[rich arch]

It still can??

I’m kinda tired of snipers lol

Maybe I should move back to marksman

[rich arch]

It three taps chest and arms and head ofc

As good as ever

[rich arch]

[rich arch]

Hmmm anyway is xpr still good?

[rich arch]

If you play claw it can be the best sniper

[rich arch]

I do play claw

[ruby iris]

chippi chippi

[rich arch]

[viscid belfry]

68 y not 69

[ruby iris]

chappa chappa

[rich arch]

https://tenor.com/view/chipi-chipi-chapa-chapa-cat-rainbow-cat-mizahcimtr1-gif-12949221109051297325

💀🔫

[rich arch]

[weary aurora]

pretty much, the only bad thing about the UL is it’s bullet spread

ever since the Holger nerf it’s been the best lmg

[native canopy]

So less points to be on global?

[rich arch]

It gets tight fast so really not bad

[rich arch]

Well at season reset its pretty low

And ul isn’t a super often used weapon

[native canopy]

Well time to master that

[ornate jackal]

M4lmg getting more usage then ul momen

[rich arch]

😭

[viscid belfry]

i prefear ul than m4lmg

[ornate jackal]

Yeah same

Uls definitely better

But it is what it is im an m4lmg player not a ul player

[viscid belfry]

lol

i think rpd its better than m4lmg

cc barrel makes it better

[unreal gale]

where's mellowsunny at

[rich arch]

I’ll get to lb on that next

Im gonna get someone else to legendary and a couple of things then I’ll grind lb for it

[unreal gale]

pretty sure I'm at like 500 points or soemthing though

[dim egret]

@unreal gale So my boss quit my 4th day

[hoary flare]

true

[rich arch]

Ul is actually mastered

[hoary flare]

UL feels better tho

[unreal gale]

oh wow. new management or it's over?

[hoary flare]

better to control

[unreal gale]

really

[rich arch]

Uh diamond mastery mb, the mastery that requires ranked

So ab 3k pts from lb

[dim egret]

No management unless it's me lol

[unreal gale]

so like 2k

[rich arch]

2500

[unreal gale]

man that's tough to hear

[rich arch]

Mastery is 3500

Lb is roughly 5500 rn I think

[unreal gale]

oh

I never played for weapon lb (I don't stay on the same acc enough lol) so I have no clue what's the rate of point gain looks like

[rich arch]

Its really weird anyway

[unreal gale]

I think my best was like regional top 50 for LK24

[rich arch]

Sheeshh

For lk thats a lot, guessing jt was in its prime

[unreal gale]

was like 7k points though cause it's lk lol

[rich arch]

Yeah at the end of last season 6k pts was about 80th for ul in comparison 💀

Hidden meta fr

[unreal gale]

oh

[rich arch]

80th GLOBAL

💀

[unreal gale]

I'm probs gonna main lk... maybe still drh after I come back

[unreal gale]

💀

[rich arch]

Makes sense

I got switchblade and pk to gold

[unreal gale]

oh nice ty

[rich arch]

Switchblade mythic feels so good lmao

[unreal gale]

diamond looks appalling on switchblade mythic

[rich arch]

Yeah np I want to diamond them all

[unreal gale]

don't even bother for sx9

[rich arch]

What 😭

[unreal gale]

have you seen it?

[rich arch]

Yeah it looked amazing to me

[unreal gale]

what..

[rich arch]

Pk is more mid for diamond

Or grau