codm-gunsmith-help

[unreal gale]

Alr we done here. You hold your opinions

[bright cloud]

I said what top 5 ar are rn? Does it matter thes are underused

Kilo fell off

[unreal gale]

Was I talking to you and about that?

[ornate jackal]

Ill give my opinion

[unreal gale]

Literally replying to a comment that no one uses 3 taps

[ornate jackal]

Drh, hvk, mow, grau, kn44

[bright cloud]

This is by playstlye btw not in any partciular irder

[unreal gale]

Lk better than kn imo

[bright cloud]

I wouldnt do that since kn44 and mow same playstyle

[bright cloud]

Same guns but realisticly i would say kn is better

[ornate jackal]

I play mow passive, i play kn as flex

[unreal gale]

Your rating of guns is biased asf towards the stats that you deem important that no one else does lol

[ornate jackal]

On a serious note since u both are good players do u both actually recommend i use an attachment other than wounding

[unreal gale]

Hop into an actually decent lobby and I'd like to see where your m13 and M16 will get you

[unreal gale]

Yeah... Wounding is way too niche

Swap it out for disable or fmj if you really want to use a perk

[ornate jackal]

Disable on lk is fine then?

[unreal gale]

Dude straight up rated pk and m13 above Grau and drh. The stat staring has made the dude lost his common sense

[unreal gale]

I'd use red dot

And gran tape

[ornate jackal]

Very far actually when i played with 8goat the other teams mvp was crossmapping with m13 in firing range

[bright cloud]

Wounding is terrible im ranked

[bright cloud]

If im against t1 pros and im t1 player yeah id use thode

[unreal gale]

He'd beam twice as hard if he actually used a competitive weapon

[ornate jackal]

M16 i have played good players using it but not on the level of say a high tier hvk user

[shadow hound]

source: trust me bro

[unreal gale]

[ornate jackal]

Do yall prefer fr or ffar

[bright cloud]

Such as?

[bright cloud]

Two completely diff playstlyes

[unreal gale]

Drh Grau hello?

[bright cloud]

Source maybe we checked all these stats a bajilion times

[ornate jackal]

My build for passive play

[unreal gale]

Suppressor

Switch it out for tac supp

[ornate jackal]

It was wounding, but changed to disable and before u say “use sup” its meant for me to get the enemies to come to me since they see me on map cause no sup

[bright cloud]

Em2 is better than drh. Grau is heavily overrated and pk and ffar are simply better than it(mainly pk)

[ornate jackal]

Aside from sup, am i good?

[unreal gale]

Yeah, except literally no body thinks that

And no, everyone is not "just dumb"

[ornate jackal]

I may agree with ffar being better than grau

I can see that argument being made

[unreal gale]

Yeah no

[ornate jackal]

But peacekeeper

[unreal gale]

If you build Grau like a bloody cbr then maybe

So moral of the story? Don't build Grau like that

Imagine rating a gun as bad because you built it bad. Unbelievable

[shadow hound]

trust me bro 🗿

[unreal gale]

The problem is actually the reverse

All he sees is numbers on a page

[shadow hound]

no one in the global lb use those guns

[unreal gale]

The game isn't a text based rpg lol. Performance of a gun is so much more than 1.2m of effective range and 14ms of ttk

[unreal gale]

But they're all just dumb according to him

Because he has seen the 12ms ttk difference

[clear tide]

hahhahahhahahaha

[clear tide]

yeah usually people that suck at the game stick to “stats”

[bright cloud]

Whats your grau build again?

[unreal gale]

Standard build. Same one tectonic runs

Same one that everyone and their mums run

Tac supp, archangel, red dot, 50 mag, cronen sniper grip

You've definitely seen it before. Not exactly a secret build

[bright cloud]

Yea expected that build

[unreal gale]

Interesting how you didn't put Asm10 in your top 5 list

That gun is also all the way up there for "stats"

In fact you know what, go to training range rn and test the m13 and drh on the bots

You'd be insane to say that m13 feels better

You stats people really need to do more gun testing and less stats staring

Because the gun testing results is what matters

[queen pebble]

What the hell are you smoking

[unreal gale]

If you don't have the m13 mythic, and think that's a difference maker, I can give you one of my accounts with it and you can test it. Gun is just mid

[ornate jackal]

I was gonna state something false so ill just stay out of this

[bright cloud]

I use base sights always and have never needed rds for any gun

[young dragon]

best gunsmith for holger 26(AR configuration)?

[bright cloud]

Ttk=/=stats bruh and there is a diff between being impractical and hard to use

[unreal gale]

I would argue asm is even better than m13

And it's pretty easy to use

Huge mag, no recoil, 3 tap

Like have you tried playing against t2 t1 hvk drh players using your m13? The gun feels like a meme

Feels like you're trying to compete against switchblade with a qxr

[bright cloud]

I personaly wouldnt reccomend m13 cuz ots headshot reliant but i still have to mention it as it is still incredible ttk even without headshots and has all stats better than asm10

Only way asm10 could be meta is branson but im afraid then it becomes more limited in playstlye since you are forced to burst fire

[ornate jackal]

Here, but if u meant ar configuration as in the mag then heres the other, if the first one has bad bsa to u replace no stock for gran tape(or mip light instead if u want more strafe)

If u dont like laser use granulated grip tape, in case of the Ar mag where gran is already being used then go for strafe boosting stock or tac foregrip

[ornate jackal]

Hes already said qxr is better than switchblade btw

[unreal gale]

💀

Lemme guess, M4 is better than kilo next?

[ornate jackal]

This my only quarrel, i really dont find peacekeeper hard to use i actually love its irons, its strafe and the weapon, im having trouble seeing what u see in it, like do u believe pk is beating grau or lk 6/10 times in the very least at mid range

I feel like thats ur bias

[young dragon]

ok tyy😊

[bright cloud]

You could have used a good smg as example hut you coincidently used sx9 hahhah

[bright cloud]

M4 is a passive ar but nonethe less its worse than kilo and it doesnt surprise me that it surprises you think switch is meta

[bright cloud]

Switchblade is a mid smg and people do t understand many options outshine it. Even if you disagree with my.philosphy this is smth correct

[unreal gale]

right right. and everyone in WC is also wrong right?

[bright cloud]

Pros mostky us effen from waht i heard

[unreal gale]

they do. and second most used was switchblade

a "mid" smg according to you

where's your cordite and pdw and whatevertheheck you people say is "true meta"?

no where. not even a single use

[bright cloud]

And remember when i asked you what grau buikd you use? When you said tec's build i knew you would use anything pros without forming personal opinions. Zi/kith grau is better in almost every fucking way but pros use tec build tec build better

[unreal gale]

that's you jumping to conclusions lol

[bright cloud]

Pros are slow on meta guns. Took em 6 months to try the hvk

[unreal gale]

I actually try out the guns

and I actually base my ranking on how they perform

not how they look like they might perform based on some numbers

[bright cloud]

Hvk was broken for so long but not a singke pro used it

Sx9 was meta but it isnt. Meta fhanges and pros are slow on it

[unreal gale]

cool. and you're drawing a blanket statement based off that?

[bright cloud]

All your argments were pros used it till now

[unreal gale]

idk why we're even talking about this. if you want to use your m13 and m16, go ahead

no one is stopping you. but don't bloody recommend it to other players

[bright cloud]

Asking about your grau buikd just cemented that

[bright cloud]

I will cuz ima reccomend best guns no matter what others say

[unreal gale]

lol, I had a feeling you'd pull this card because I mentioned tectonics name

I use his name for the build because people recognize the build based on his name. that's it.

lol best guns my ass. go test them out and burn your stat sheets

[bright cloud]

No tecs grau is not the best grau but everyone uses it anyway

[bright cloud]

I use them and i feel stats pretty much reflect what stats say and ive rarels been stats dont show that(and thats only ciz hidden stats)

[unreal gale]

people have tried more builds than one you realize right? people settle on his builds because it feels the best out of all the ones they've tried

[bright cloud]

Yea i gotta sleep this argument is pointless all your arguments are same

Tecs grau is not best grau btw

[unreal gale]

lol this is hilarious

go sleep. I've got SoD that actually makes sensible recommendations

dude thinks bloody m16 is meta. man's crazy.

[bright cloud]

Better than lk and kn but noone has realised that

[unreal gale]

I thought you slept.

[bright cloud]

Always ends up sod against ge. Whatever

[bright cloud]

I wanted to respond to some msgs and then go to sleep but saw your msg

[tawny isle]

who did

[stone venture]

Guys can you help me with my gunsmith on swordfish
Tactical supressor, RTC 4.4X Tactical scope, FMJ, Ranger Foregrip, Halberd Mag

Code is 1A3R5A7D8C

[unreal gale]

drop the tactical scope for red dot to start with

[stone venture]

No I want to keep the scope

[unreal gale]

and uhh, I honestly don't know anything about sworfish apart from the mag and the red dot

[shadow briar]

you dont need a 4.4x scope at all

[stone venture]

I want to keep the scope

Very op

[shadow briar]

it is not lol

it is op until your enemies get within 30m of you

which is half the gunfights in the game

[unreal gale]

half is super generous lol

more like 90%

[shadow briar]

yeah

[stone venture]

I can kill in one burst

[unreal gale]

that has nothing to do with the sight though

[shadow briar]

180ms 4tap is the same as HVK 3tap, except HVK is full auto and therefore way more generous

[unreal gale]

just trust us, classic red dot is the best

you can use holo sight 2 if you want, and change the reticle to blue dot

[tall narwhal]

lol I did this just to troll I thought I’d get downvoted to hell

[unreal gale]

I mean it a good striker build

[tall narwhal]

I just tapped recommended build

[unreal gale]

well they got it right

[stone venture]

do u wanna 1v1

[tall narwhal]

Nice

[unreal gale]

they get it right on a lot of the meta guns now

which is great too see.

[shadow briar]

IMO

Tac Supp, Extended Light Barrel, FMJ/Red Dot, Gran (not needed tbh, bsa is so high already could run laser or mag instead), Skeleton Stock

[unreal gale]

but, blood rose is something else

[stone venture]

I switch my tactical supressor to monolithic so I have sniper range

[unreal gale]

I think red dot is a must for swordfish

[shadow briar]

you already 1 burst on 99% of lanes with base halberd

[unreal gale]

unless you're a big fan of the acog sight

[shadow briar]

i actually like the base sight on sf

[unreal gale]

wow

okay I mean then sure

I have the legendary on one account and I still can't stand it

[shadow briar]

obv not as good as rds, but good enough for me

[stone venture]

i 1 burst the far bot on training mode

[shadow briar]

but also i run a Halo Battle Rifle build on it when i use sf anyways lol

[weary aurora]

my favorite dr H blueprint

[stone venture]

wait im still using tac supressor

ohhh i changed appearance

my bad

this gunsmith op

[formal river]

Never let bro cook

[stone venture]

Bro try it

[analog moss]

Bro that’s like AIDS but as a codm build

[cedar eagle]

Whats a recommended AR setup for master and up rank? Been running m4 in ranked mp but hit master and seems like im hitting a wall now

[unreal gale]

Drh, grau

lemme get the builds

[analog moss]

Im on grand master and ive been using this KN-44 class

[shadow briar]

drh, grau, hvk

[analog moss]

Its pretty good

[stone venture]

swordfish with my gunsmith

[unreal gale]

try this for drh

this for grau:

[unreal gale]

also try LK

[unreal gale]

uhh .... yeah.... no....

[weary aurora]

rds on the mythic kinda wild ngl

[analog moss]

Im in grand master cause of it so 🤷🏾‍♂️

[unreal gale]

it's mainly for the f2p people. I personally use it on the mythic too but on the base I definitely recommend it

[unreal gale]

are you a new player?

[stone venture]

i hate using this gun i tried it

[analog moss]

Nah

Im a og player

[unreal gale]

well let me drop you the red pill anyway

most people that are any decent are legendary.

[analog moss]

I got like 60+ of weapons maxed lvl

[analog moss]

I made it to legendary too before

[unreal gale]

okay good, off to a good start

okay now after you hit legendary, you get to experience real ranked with open sbmm

there's no definitive way to measure or quantify how good you are

actually what is this tangent

let's talk about the build.

• no sound supression (rip)
• no range boosting
• very slow strafe (you literally nuked it)
• laser showing
• no recoil control
• try an optic

[keen gazelle]

mythic grau specifically sucks imo😭

[keen gazelle]

wait why is this literally my loadouts 😈🙏

[analog moss]

I mean i dont need a optic, the iron sights is actually good

[unreal gale]

red dot is better. red dot is always better

[keen gazelle]

its the player not the 🥸🤓

[analog moss]

I dont need strafe 🙏🏾

[analog moss]

But iron sights on kn-44 is good

[unreal gale]

[unreal gale]

then don't use optic

[analog moss]

Ans the build isnt for SnD

[unreal gale]

optic is a personal preference thing

[analog moss]

Thats why there a laser

[unreal gale]

other points are the main problem

[stone venture]

I use 4.4x OWC scope on my legendary m4

[analog moss]

Range boosting is cause i hit my shots

[narrow glen]

@stone venture, 13 Server Rank

[unreal gale]

I've spent way too much time on discord today, not gonna debate you on this

but fix those things.

[stone venture]

The spread is crazy, might aswell be using a shotgun

[keen gazelle]

me and sunny disagree with gunsmith but this ill agree in fix it 😭

[analog moss]

[keen gazelle]

range boosting is super important

[analog moss]

Then What should i use

[unreal gale]

lemme try find my build

[analog moss]

Cause this been doing me good so far so i js said “screw it your my best friend now”

[unreal gale]

it's the standard btw, not "mine"

okay found it. You can switch the sight to a stock or laser if you like the kn base sight

[analog moss]

Alr

[unreal gale]

but do try the red dot

it feels a lot better trust

[analog moss]

This?

[unreal gale]

uhh maybe not no stock, try either the strafe stock or the steady stock (idk the name)

[analog moss]

Which?

[unreal gale]

uhh

strike works

and whichever one boost ads movement speed out of the other two

[analog moss]

Light stock boost it

[formal river]

I know it’s for f2p players, but this hurts

[unreal gale]

I actually use it on my mythic

the red dot has less aimshake or soemthing, but it feels a lot better

can also use a stock though

[analog moss]

@unreal gale Which stock?

[stone venture]

@random lark Why ur aim so bad

[random lark]

Forget it, if my accuracy is bad at least I got mvp using CBR4 ranked in snd

[unreal gale]

try strike and light

and see which one you like better

try it in training range

strike is gonna feel more like your build

[stone venture]

mvp is not a flex

[unreal gale]

wait why not use grau btw

[stone venture]

i got an ace with jak12 on snd

[unreal gale]

it's basically cbr but an AR

[random lark]

Never known about using grau at that time

[unreal gale]

oh

[stone venture]

will they add a burst sniper to codm?

[random lark]

probably

I guess

ebr sniper + burst sniper perk in br

[stone venture]

i have to turn my swordfish into a sniper

[unreal gale]

doesn't really make sense since the snipers are all one shot

[stone venture]

they have semiautomatic snipers that one shot i think a burst sniper might be addable

[random lark]

what about the recoil

[stone venture]

Just equip ranger foregrip

[random lark]

ok

[shadow briar]

Non-1tap snipers

Just run sks or val imho

Unless you specifically want the scope

[stone venture]

I put the 4.4x scope on m16

[stone venture]

AS val?

[shadow briar]

Yep, as Val with fmj magazine

Turns it into a sks with higher mobility but less 1tap headshot range

Though I’m personally really enjoying the semi auto type 19 right now

[stone venture]

I want a burst weapon with long burst intervals

[formal river]

Stop

[stone venture]

m16 gunsmith
RTC 4.4X Tactical Scope, FMJ, OWC Laser - Tactical, Operator Foregrip, 48 Round Extended Mag

op op fr

[shadow hound]

chicom better 🥱

[iron breach]

Anyone got a good groza build?

[narrow glen]

@iron breach, 1 Server Rank

[unreal gale]

shame that the sight looks so clean

it just doesn't feel as good as the red dot

[rich arch]

W

No bc its still $150 😭

[unreal gale]

but you already have the leggy UL

[rich arch]

Oj right

[unreal gale]

this one is pretty good imo

[strong monolith]

Terrible
The worst AR in BR

[viscid belfry]

i want too

[unreal gale]

nice type19 video btw

[strong monolith]

Enjoyed my VO?

[unreal gale]

yup

[strong monolith]

Nice

[digital needle]

Basically M4 2.0 with better stats

If someone say it's terrible .. probably that guy never use it

[unreal gale]

in br?

[digital needle]

Yep

Little worse damage than M4 at final range btw

It got buff like tons of time

It's good now

[ruby iris]

i used it

It's terrible

[tawny walrus]

FR used to have terrible STF.

[digital needle]

You can beam across map without attachment and mod

I'd rather pick it over M4

FR556 is one of my most picked ground loot gun

[ornate jackal]

Across map, in br? U mean over 5000m

[ruby iris]

and how fast does it kill?

[ornate jackal]

I need a shotgun, and build for br

Rn using hs1 with thunder round idk it isnt for me

[ruby iris]

echo
choke
elb
mag d
5mw
no stock

[digital needle]

Not really that fast

Probably slow but Stable Recoil

[digital needle]

Yea

If it does have no BSA

No joke

[ruby iris]

then it's worthless, since type 19 already does that, but with competitive ttk

[ruby iris]

tbh, no one use m4 in 2024

mid ass gun

[digital needle]

Garena still full of M4

They always stick with OG meta

[ruby iris]

that's just dumbasses being dumbasses

free kill

[strong monolith]

That TTK instantly makes it not good

[tawny walrus]

So does Global.

[strong monolith]

Add with the fact that there is no marksman barrel and your biggest mag is 39r
You have a gun that has poor TTK at every range, below average mag size, and meh recoil

[austere igloo]

& yet, these ignorant folks will say some shit like "bUt m4 hAs cRaZy aIm aSsIsT"

[strong monolith]

At this point, the AA argument is just a copium for their inability to aim

[austere igloo]

no argument with that

[clear tide]

sleep

[strong monolith]

Yo

[clear tide]

here too damn

[strong monolith]

Been here awhile

[clear tide]

sleep why 117 feels better than amax??

rof?

br btw

[strong monolith]

Up to 50m, it will feel better mostly because it has a crap ton of AA (More than M4 since it has faster fire rate)
But after that, it will start failing you because that's when you notice the uncontrollable recoil

Also because it has less visual recoil

[austere igloo]

yep

[clear tide]

i didnt have trouble with recoil tbh

amax ttk slightly better but still

[strong monolith]

You will only notice it when you try to stretch out the ranges

[clear tide]

i feel more comfortable with ak117 or s36

[clear tide]

yeah but i don’t really play for long range kills

[strong monolith]

I never really liked 117 because you cannot beam at longer ranges with it

[clear tide]

with marksman and ranger fg recoil isn’t bad imo

very easy to control

[strong monolith]

There is still that horizontal randomness you have to worry abt

But as long as you play within 50m, you should be fine

[clear tide]

do you have the graph between amax ak117 and s36 by any chance?

also i really enjoy using krig

[clear tide]

lmaooo s36 is just broken 💀

[strong monolith]

Reason I don't use Krig

[clear tide]

do you have mythic?

[strong monolith]

No

[clear tide]

man it feels very good

weird that ttk isn’t that good

[old remnant]

Is camping even allowed in a 1v1

[strong monolith]

It does a lot of things well
Recoil, handling and bullet speed

But the TTK is very mediocre

[kindred estuary]

yea

[tawny isle]

is that br?

oh yes

krig isnt that good for br

for mp is a different story

[shadow hound]

what about chicom 🥱

I'm curious about chicom's ttk

[strong monolith]

If you manage to avoid leg shots, you can get a TTK of 655ms which is only slightly slower than Fennec
But get a single leg shot and it goes up to 730ms

[austere igloo]

Now u know

[strong monolith]

S36 on some anime shit

[austere igloo]

Literally

[austere igloo]

Slaps harder than my mom

[rugged frigate]

I wish I had a mythic gun

[keen gazelle]

cheap but its whatevers the rules are

if theres no rules then anything 😭 but generally theres an unspoken set of rules for every 1v1 being only guns

[viscid belfry]

i would remove camo

[viscid belfry]

its not a big thing if u f2p or if u dont have cards to spend

[rich arch]

Any decent builds?

[pulsar oxide]

Anyone got a fennec build? I dont understand why ppl use op foregrip instead of ranger
It just takes of vert recoil

[native garden]

just steal others when u can

[native garden]

and fennec has some of the worst vertical recoil

[rich arch]

Also need one for this

[pulsar oxide]

Ranger does the same but just less ads time?

[formal river]

In mad at you

Use these

[rich arch]

What I’ve been using RDS on all my Mythics cuz I prefer the base sights

[narrow glen]

@rich arch, 31 Server Rank

[rich arch]

Aight ty

[formal river]

Then you’re wasting money

[rich arch]

I like em for the designs

[formal river]

The mythics are supposed to be P2W. Putting a rds makes no sense

[rich arch]

Why tf are you using a red dot on the qq9 much less the mythic. Also ranger fg is overkill, its an smg, use gran tape. or no stock

[formal river]

Plus it doesn’t look good

[formal river]

With the rds

[rich arch]

No?

Give me something better

[rich arch]

Thats criminal

[ruby iris]

Marksman to firm tape

And mono to tac supp

[rich arch]

^

[formal river]

No

Get

Rid

Of

The fucking

Sights

[fading harness]

Best lw3 build?

[unreal gale]

for the m13, use tactical suppressor instead of mono. Classic red dot is fine, but I found that combat stock kinda solves the weird mythic ads issue

[unreal gale]

this is my personal build for krig and the standard build

[rich arch]

Bet ty

[unreal gale]

you can tell my personal build is better because it's shinier

and no, I have no idea why it's brighter lol

[formal river]

Here’s what I use

Vs the standard

[slate kite]

Can I get a NA-25 MP gunsmith build please?

[shadow hound]

na25 😱

[slate kite]

*45

For platinum completionist run, nothing more

[rich arch]

Bet

I’ll give it a try

[unreal gale]

these are not standard builds though

@rich arch try this for m13. can switch the stock to a red dot if you want

[shadow briar]

What’s the ads time on that?

[unreal gale]

idk

[shadow briar]

I know m13 has decent base ads time

[unreal gale]

but it feels better than without the stock

the mythic feels like crap

and I found out that reducing ads time makes it feel better

[shadow briar]

Just asking cause barrel + mag with no ads stock to balance might make it feel slow

[unreal gale]

the stock is an ads stock

[shadow briar]

Oh it is

[unreal gale]

mag has no ads penalty now

[vale lichen]

Use silencer barrel with ext mag so you will get an extra slot

[unreal gale]

you lose a lot of other things

range, recoil, bsa

[shadow briar]

I thought it was bsa stock not ads stock

[vale lichen]

Worth it with ext mag

Otherwise ultrasonic ammo with heavy barrel

[unreal gale]

what? no

I tried about every m13 there was under the sun

I tried really hard to like the gun

the only build that feels okay was this one

[shadow briar]

I prefer ffar over any m13 anyways tbh

[unreal gale]

and even so it feels like a meme compared to LK or grau

[vale lichen]

[unreal gale]

you're playing shipment at basically no distance though

[shadow briar]

And didn’t get shot at all until the last kill lol

[unreal gale]

go training range, set bot distance to far, then walk right up to the end, and shoot some far bots

[vale lichen]

Short maps are best

[unreal gale]

just use a fennec at that distance

better trust

[shadow briar]

Vector vs mac ?

[unreal gale]

or cx9

[vale lichen]

Fennec iron makes me question about my life

[shadow briar]

Idk smg meta

[unreal gale]

I mean fennec and mac10 aren't even close

fennec is miles better

[shadow briar]

Damn really

[unreal gale]

you don't have any skin?

[vale lichen]

Trash ones

[shadow briar]

I assumed they were similar high rpm smgs

[unreal gale]

frick, then use swb

[unreal gale]

nah. cx9 is close

mac is far off

[vale lichen]

Sx9 is no skill class

[unreal gale]

mac10 sucks after the nerf

[shadow briar]

Sx9 is closer to mp5 tbh

[unreal gale]

that's what makes it a good gun 🗿

[vale lichen]

[unreal gale]

which is closer to m13

[shadow briar]

It all comes back to m13

[unreal gale]

easy to use well literally = good gun

[shadow briar]

True

Oh sunny, what’s your opinion on type 19 auto?
I hate it tbh, feels inconsistent but might be a skill issue

Want your take on it

If you have one

[unreal gale]

I don't have the mythic yet

but it seems pretty decent so far

[shadow briar]

i wont get it anyways

[unreal gale]

I might get it honestly

it's a krig6 level p2w skin

but gun is a worse grau apparently

[shadow briar]

tbh it feels worse than m4

[unreal gale]

and apparently you need a laser for it to be decent

and you know how much I hate lasers

[ruby iris]

what build you running?

[shadow briar]

agile stock, grip barrel, tac supp, fast mag, acc grip

bsa feels like shit, which is is

need to replace something to get bsa better than 19

even replacing grip for laser is only 15 bsa

grip for laser and mag for rds feels decent

but then ammo gets tight fast

well, industry barrel, rds, agile stock, laser and fast mag is decent

shame it has laser tho

[ruby iris]

15 bsa is main ar level

aa laser
heavy supp
fast mag
polymer grip
agile stock

play flex ar

[shadow briar]

16.8 bsa

is that decent?

[ruby iris]

yes

[shadow briar]

i never thought of running heavy supp and not a barrel

[ruby iris]

[shadow briar]

normally id pass over non-tac supps

light supp range down only good on snipers and mono loses bsa,i forgot t19 has heavy

[ruby iris]

mono viable if you run aa laser

[shadow briar]

true

[narrow glen]

@shadow briar, 44 Server Rank

[shadow briar]

thats what i run on hvk

but i generally dont like laser much even though the stats are good

[shy carbon]

Who want to tryout for the clan???

[narrow glen]

@shy carbon, 1 Server Rank

[bright cloud]

This is the way

[bright cloud]

Same cuz m13 is headshot heavy gun

[bright cloud]

Better grau*

[strong monolith]

It seems that SoD and GE agree with the same builds for once

[bright cloud]

And this graph was made by me. Maybe tgere is peace after all..... but didnt see your video

[rich arch]

I only use type 19 with sniper ammo

Kinda don't want to put a laser on it

@strong monolith you giving builds for BR only or MP as well?

[strong monolith]

Both

[bright cloud]

That is very mid

[bright cloud]

You have to to boost bsa or you will have to use grip barrel which is slower

[rich arch]

Cronen shark is for bsa?

Why I have to boost bsa? Doesn't the sniper ammo mag already suffice?

I'm currently running this and it feels not bad

[bright cloud]

Its for mobility

[bright cloud]

It has 0 bsa lmao

[rich arch]

Oh

[foggy lantern]

Agile or pinpoint

[narrow glen]

@foggy lantern, 14 Server Rank

[digital needle]

That guy is just intergral supp hater

He gonna slaps your face if he see anyone putting this kind of attachment on any gun

Already Blocked him lol

[deep glacier]

Thing is that integral suppressor barely improves ADS time whilst giving absolutely nothing else

90% of the time either Mono is better or Tac supp + a longer barrel is better

Especially if you convert the gun to marksman (AMAX and Type 19) you want range

AS Val is kind of an outlier due to how bad the longer barrel is, plus it already has better ranges with the marksman mag

You get your ADS time usually from the stock and/or tac laser, not the barrel

Only exception that comes to mind is FR556 and maybe aggro SMGs

[digital needle]

Any differences ?

[deep glacier]

75 vs 84 Meter range

[digital needle]

If you want more 2 shots range, Remember that Sks is existed

[deep glacier]

Makes stuff like Crossfire and longer lanes in NukeTown more viable to sit at

[bright cloud]

This is our reccomended build

[deep glacier]

Also BR

[digital needle]

I won't read your message if you get blocked by me

[deep glacier]

I am wondering if the 8x scope has any utility in BR

[median bough]

Anyone have a good ar build not type 19

[deep glacier]

BK57 (more mobile Kilo with a bit of recoil)

Mono suppressor
Extended barrel
Stock that gives ADS and Strafe
40 round fast reload
Gran or tac laser

[vast aspen]

lol where did the kid go who wanted asm10 in top 5?

[deep glacier]

Enjoy, good gun

[vast aspen]

combat stock

[deep glacier]

That one

[chrome sundial]

It's got sooo much zoom that you can easily counter with movement

And 50% of the scope is blocked

[vast aspen]

Yeah the same SoD (except few people) who recommends red dot on amax and gives horrible builds on Tundra and Groza. Ofc you'll listen to those mfs who'll suck the grau everyday

[deep glacier]

You're talking to a guy who unoronically used Crossbow in 10k+ Leggy BR, with decent results

I'll try to make x8 Type 19 work

[bright cloud]

Sunny?

[vast aspen]

use dmr mag

[median bough]

Thx

[vast aspen]

yes

[bright cloud]

Except few people: isleep

[vast aspen]

lolll

[chrome sundial]

Ofc the results may vary from person to person depending on their skill but I'm talking about the avg low tier legendary br player.

[vast aspen]

yes

[vast aspen]

low tier legendary players all spam ak117 and ak47

@simple ether

read from here

[bright cloud]

Low tier legendary players are dumb lmfao still stuck on the ak47

[deep glacier]

Cuz it's easy to use

Same reason why low tier leggy MP players use Grau

[vast aspen]

these kids thinks easy to use = meta

and that's the reason why codm community is so braindead

[minor flare]

Meta boring

Grau is a noob gun and tryhard

[vast aspen]

@minor flare KAKYOIN

[simple ether]

Lmao and bro's saying the other guy doesn't know how to build grau.
Tectonic's build is trash

[bright cloud]

Thats why i asked him michi

[narrow glen]

@bright cloud, 26 Server Rank

[simple ether]

No range, mid bsa,bad mobility,rds on a gun with this ironsight

[bright cloud]

He proved he listens to pros by using tec's grau

[deep glacier]

RDS on Grau?

[vast aspen]

listening to pros = biggest mistake of my life

[minor flare]

I don't use grau i use the buff weapon like em2

[simple ether]

Do these idiots even understand that pro builds are meant for the individual person lmfao
Tectonic builds these for himself.
These are not for player recommendation

[vast aspen]

chad

[bright cloud]

Exactly

[minor flare]

Regretting the em2 headshot multiplier is crazy

[vast aspen]

kakyoin

[vast aspen]

it's also the fastest 3 tap AR

[simple ether]

Chad em2 user > drh users>> grau riders

[minor flare]

The bullet speed is 800 m/s

[bright cloud]

Whats tectonic krig again?

[vast aspen]

not bullet speed bruh

[bright cloud]

Cuz tec kilo and tec grau are such questionable builds especialy kilo

[bright cloud]

He meant mobility

[minor flare]

Oh my bad

[vast aspen]

@bright cloud what's em2 bullet speed with taskforce? 800?

[minor flare]

1100 m/s

[bright cloud]

1000 and smth

[vast aspen]

yes use taskforce

[bright cloud]

Yeah this

[minor flare]

The taskforce barrel is definitely good on paper

[vast aspen]

and in practice

lol

[minor flare]

One of the most popular unique attachment in codm

Like all BO weapons

[bright cloud]

A must have attachment for em2

[simple ether]

It was like marksman on krig6
Which is usable but dumb
Like why use marksman on gun with 48 m 4 shot with 1 chest with task force
And no velocity upside either
Free mobility con on Marksman

[vast aspen]

yea almost all

[narrow glen]

@vast aspen, 12 Server Rank

[bright cloud]

Tfb is only not must on ffar

[jolly vessel]

jojo!

[vast aspen]

and lapa

[bright cloud]

Ye

[vast aspen]

roob!!

[simple ether]

People who say 1/4 shots to the chest isn't consistent.
Just please
Gtfo

You'll get it more times than not

[bright cloud]

But grau 4 shot is smh

[jolly vessel]

i am halfway in part 3

[simple ether]

Grau second range 4 shot is 2 chest/upper arms and that's more luck than skill

[vast aspen]

Did u see when joseph

peeked through the keyhole

[jolly vessel]

in part 2?

[bright cloud]

Exactly

[minor flare]

For my attachment i run around
Agency suppressor
Taskforce barrel & optics
40 round mag
Ykm light stock
Sturdy grip tape

[vast aspen]

yes

[jolly vessel]

yes

[minor flare]

If you have bp skin or mythic

[vast aspen]

sussy baka joseph

[minor flare]

On em2

[bright cloud]

Yes. I just use 30 but i am fine wuth smaller mags generaly

[bright cloud]

Nah i use all skins base irons lmao

[jolly vessel]

lisa lisa

[minor flare]

Maybe running around 40 round mag empty reload means you're already dead

[vast aspen]

yes

[minor flare]

Lcar9 is a backup machine pistol Hipfire

[bright cloud]

Yes kekw

[vast aspen]

yes

[bright cloud]

Best pistol

[minor flare]

Em2 / lcar9 are actually best combination

[simple ether]

I like deagle /j3 more ngl
They are funny
J3 one taps in like 8 m with sp if you hit the right area lmao

[deep glacier]

Best pistol is crossbow and it's not even close

Literally pocket DLQ

[vast aspen]

chest and head?

[minor flare]

J358 and .50 gs are the handcannon

[vast aspen]

crossbow trash

[deep glacier]

You're trash

[simple ether]

With 2 bullets lol.
I just use utility if I want it

[vast aspen]

no u

[minor flare]

Crossbow is a gimmick weapon but it's waste of secondary

[bright cloud]

Ye

[deep glacier]

I know I'm trash tho 😦

[vast aspen]

use nailgun

[deep glacier]

Anyway

Gotta do this adult thing called driving, nerds

[minor flare]

Nailgun is definitely work on sniper Loadout

[simple ether]

Utility crossbow is basically 2 free tacticals
I love it
Used to run it with my cbr in 2022
Cuz cbr took on almost everything so all I needed was utilities

[deep glacier]

See y'all never cuz we're on the internet

[simple ether]

@vast aspen who is the sod goon btw

[vast aspen]

sunny

[simple ether]

There's like 3 people I respect in sod

[unreal gale]

who are you? and do you mind conducting yourself properly in a public chat? if you want to talk, let's talk. keep it civil.

[simple ether]

That's about it
The entire server is full of monkeys except like 2 guys

[vast aspen]

@simple ether this guy

[simple ether]

I wanna hear his takes
If he's smart I'll not do anything

[vast aspen]

see his name

[minor flare]

My perk sniper Loadout is
Iron lungs or Skulker
Toughness perk
Unit Support

This is for nailgun loadout but munitions box or TAK 5 are the recommendation Operator skill

[simple ether]

Shit

[unreal gale]

like you got a problem? what's with the aggression and toxicity

[vast aspen]

no one is aggressive to you lol

[unreal gale]

imagine joining a server and straight up starting beef

your language says otherwise.

[vast aspen]

😂

[simple ether]

We are talking amongst ourselves
My man is getting insecure over nothing
I didn't even say anything yet

[unreal gale]

not you

dude just dropped the f bomb on me before we even talked

[vast aspen]

where?

[simple ether]

Wait we can cuss here?

[vast aspen]

idk

[minor flare]

I'm only the Analyst loadout

[unreal gale]

that's literally your first message to me. ever.

[vast aspen]

yeah I'm talking about SoD

pls open your eyes and read

[unreal gale]

yeah, it's a cod discord lol

[simple ether]

The only f is see is MFS

[vast aspen]

the other trash server doesn't allow it

[unreal gale]

big difference between cussing for mutual bonding and being toxic

so just don't cuss to be toxic.

[jovial seal]

Hi

[unreal gale]

but yeah, words aren't censored

[vast aspen]

hi

[jovial seal]

Am new

[vast aspen]

no

[unreal gale]

do note that the f bomb without the c is censored

don't ask me why, literally no clue

[vast aspen]

lmao

[unreal gale]

some dude got muted for it

[keen gazelle]

guys my mom checks my phone please dont be saying curse words

[minor flare]

I'm sorry i was chatting on GC

[vast aspen]

not he got muted for mentioning the other trash server

[unreal gale]

@vast aspen so you wanna present your case without calling a whole group of people you don't really know "mf"s?

like what's up bro

[vast aspen]

wdym I don't really know 😂

I know the members since 2020

[unreal gale]

I don't know them, I don't know you, all I know is you called them mfs for literally no reason

[vast aspen]

sure

[unreal gale]

so like what's up

and what do you have against me?

this is a chat room, we can chat

I know the two groups don't like each other

but like what does that have to do with me?

[vast aspen]

idk u joined the fight too

[unreal gale]

are you a part of uhh what were you guys called frick

the cyg fam

frick, ge or soemthing?

ge right?

anyway, you know, cyg group

[minor flare]

Don't be rash guys

[unreal gale]

I didn't join the fight. I'm get some info, mainly leaks from SoD

and I like the gunsmiths SoD makes.

[vast aspen]

that's LoD

[deep glacier]

L take

[unreal gale]

you really gotta chill lol

[minor flare]

I don't pick any fight

[vast aspen]

yeah if I wanted to argue about this it would be 5 hours but exams ended and I wanna chill so no

[minor flare]

I'm just the one person loadout Analyst

[deep glacier]

Man I just got go work, I'm as chill as can be

[vast aspen]

aight homie cya

[deep glacier]

Nah Imma stay

[unreal gale]

then don't come in and shit on other people's opinions?

[deep glacier]

My workplace is very chill

[unreal gale]

like chill out bro

[vast aspen]

u shit on cygnoux lol

[unreal gale]

where?

[vast aspen]

scroll up to ur messages with supergri lol bye

[unreal gale]

what, that m13 is a top 5 gun?

you also think that?

[vast aspen]

nah

[deep glacier]

Hot take, the moment you recommend builds to a large chunk of people (SoD, GE, Kith, etc), gunsmiths stop being an opinion

[unreal gale]

then what's the debate?

he was trying to convince everyone that m16 and m13 were better than drh

[vast aspen]

but after buff it can be top 10

[deep glacier]

Like I'd never seriously recommend my FR build

[unreal gale]

and apparently you don't agree with that

so like, what's the debate?

[vast aspen]

eh drh and m16 separate playstyle lol

[deep glacier]

Cuz it's what I like, but it's not the most efficient

[bright cloud]

No i saod m16 is better than lk and kn and that em2 is better drh

[unreal gale]

yeah, but he straight up said it was better

[vast aspen]

nah

[unreal gale]

and recommending m13 to everyone. I just told him drh and grau are better than m13

[vast aspen]

grau isn't lol

[unreal gale]

like that's it

[bright cloud]

No i didnt?

[bright cloud]

I said em2 is better lmfao

[keen gazelle]

theyre trolling on an alt 💀 who was it

[minor flare]

The m16 got added increase hit flinch resistance

[unreal gale]

cool but like that doesn't make it meta

[bright cloud]

And its initial bsa is unmtached

[vast aspen]

50m full body 4 tap does make it strong

[minor flare]

M16 is a non meta AR

[unreal gale]

but it shoots slow

[keen gazelle]

b-bUt the TiMe tO kIlL anD sKiL-

[vast aspen]

same as lk and kn wdym

[deep glacier]

M16 is a better ICR

[unreal gale]

those 2 shoot faster

[deep glacier]

That's about it, it's very playstyle oriented

[bright cloud]

Exactly bruh

[vast aspen]

absolutely not, it's 4ms difference in ttk lmao

[keen gazelle]

yall are not comparing bursts to full autos rn 😭

[bright cloud]

Aka same ttk

[rich arch]

Yoo sunny

[unreal gale]

sup

[vast aspen]

m16 has a full auto perk bro

[bright cloud]

M16 wf*

[unreal gale]

this is so outta pocket lol.

[deep glacier]

Nobody realistically uses M16 burst anymore

(I do but that's besides the point)

[keen gazelle]

i thought yall were talking abt burst m16 lol

[vast aspen]

nah

[minor flare]

Wild fire

[rich arch]

Can you improve this? Build I made when i got this skin whenever it was new

[keen gazelle]

ranger barrel

[bright cloud]

Nah its stops having good ttk past first range thats why wf is better

[vast aspen]

use extended light barrel

[unreal gale]

ranger barrel yeah, what bryan said

[keen gazelle]

imagine a burst meta

[minor flare]

Rapid fire and lightweight trigger had hidden increase bullet spread accuracy

[bright cloud]

Qpuld be cool

[deep glacier]

Marksman to ranger or extended (whatever it's called)

Can change Rapid Fire to strafe stock if you're feeling confident with your aim

[vast aspen]

huh?

[keen gazelle]

burst meta would only work in snd imo and with a better burst

rlly the only way to play with them is passive lol

[vast aspen]

ksp:-

[minor flare]

By +20.0%

[bright cloud]

Cx9 is meta already but people dont use it cut smol mag

[deep glacier]

Chicom disagrees

[vast aspen]

show me

[rich arch]

These are the two I got for barrels. Razorback doesn’t have a large variety of attachments

[vast aspen]

bro forgot ksp meta

[dawn verge]

it is meta

[minor flare]

Give me minute hang on

[keen gazelle]

yeah to get fu**ed by a sx9? right lol

[vast aspen]

extended light

[keen gazelle]

meta rn is ease of use not ttk

[bright cloud]

Yes i said that

[vast aspen]

where ranger barrel on razorback?

[deep glacier]

Chicom is unoronically a hidden meta the moment you get used to the timing on the burst

[dawn verge]

i am agreeing

[bright cloud]

Sx9 isnt as good as it once was

[dawn verge]

true

[keen gazelle]

whatever the barrel before it is lol

[deep glacier]

Don't care, I'm cracked at the game (I wish) and I can use the statistically best weapon that has bonkers recoil (I can't)

[vast aspen]

ok everyone spam bizon then

[keen gazelle]

bizon is easy but sx9 is also easier js better

[deep glacier]

I feel like my autism decreases or increases based on my pfp

I am being very autistic now

[keen gazelle]

youre ignoring that out of many easy guns, some are still better

[vast aspen]

sx9 easier than bizon? lmaoo

[bright cloud]

Sx9 fell off

[keen gazelle]

dont tell me you cant control its recoil…

[vast aspen]

bizon has 64 mag, no aim shake like sx9 and far better recoil

and has 3 shot capabilities

[keen gazelle]

and what pros are using it rn

[bright cloud]

Bizon has no aim shake and larger mag recoil isnt only ease of use factor

[keen gazelle]

again sx9 is easier while being bttr

[vast aspen]

bizon is easier lol

[rich arch]

So I’m doing the strafe stock instead of rapid fire like recommended

Thank you guys for the help

[vast aspen]

don't remove rapid fire bruh

[keen gazelle]

ttk goes down

[deep glacier]

pros opinions are invalid, none are autistic enough to actually care about stats and what gun is better

[keen gazelle]

thats why theyre the pros and youre not

[deep glacier]

Das why DRH got banned and EM2/AK didn't

[bright cloud]

Sx9 isht meta anymore it fell off

[keen gazelle]

but go off 👍🏽

[vast aspen]

that's why they use operator foregrip on sx9 😭

[rich arch]

Oh I did realize it wasn’t one of the guys I recognized who said it, I’m going back 😂

[vast aspen]

so easy gun they have to use operator foregrip on it

[deep glacier]

I wouldn't want to be a pro at any CoD game

if I really were to be a pro at any game it'd be a MOBA

[vast aspen]

you're a pro in my heart

[vast aspen]

become pro at real life

[deep glacier]

Biggest kaching in my pocket

[minor flare]

The bsa is 10.0% not 20.0%

[deep glacier]

The payouts for even small ahh mobas are pretty insane

[vast aspen]

yeah reduced bsa which fan be fixed with granulated

[minor flare]

The lightweight trigger increase by 10.0% to 20.0% BSA

[vast aspen]

pistol?

[minor flare]

The pistol category

[vast aspen]

okay

[minor flare]

It has hidden downside

[hoary flare]

maddox reload speed is nice

[vast aspen]

yup

[hoary flare]

loving it so far

[unreal gale]

@keen gazelle sorry I had to do an assignment

[vast aspen]

yea it's good

[narrow glen]

@vast aspen, 13 Server Rank

[unreal gale]

@vast aspen let's get to the core of the discussion

do you guys push what makes people win or just what's theoretically better on paper?

because the 2 don't align.

[bright cloud]

They do

[bright cloud]

We reccomend guns that are meta but we do say when they are hard zo use

[unreal gale]

alright, that seems to be the point of contention

let me illustrate with some more concrete examples

[bright cloud]

Pk is meta but hard to use

[unreal gale]

what do you guys think about visible laser and red dots?

laser is just objectively op and red dot just sucks?

laser and red dot are two example of things where the numbers on the page fail to represent the benefit it provides for a player's performance.

so I want to get your stance on it

[vast aspen]

lol using red dot on weapon with best iron is skill issue

[bright cloud]

We will reccomend ig for lower level ranled but for higher level its imoractical

[unreal gale]

let's keep the opinions on the players out of this. What do you guys think about visible lasers and red dots.

[unreal gale]

for lasers right?

how about red dots?

[bright cloud]

Red dot is an subjective thing so i dont wanna talk ab that

[bright cloud]

Yes. Also wdym lasers dont represent stats?

[unreal gale]

no but let's keep this quantitative. Because red dots offer no apparent benefit and takes up a slot, you guys view it as an L attachment correct?

[vast aspen]

for average ranked lobby most people barely notice lasers. It's only in high level scrims lasers should not be used

use gran instead

[unreal gale]

alr let's talk about lasers first then

[vast aspen]

I literally did

[unreal gale]

yeah, but I'm narrowing down so we can drop red dot for now

anyway, here's my stance on the laser

[dry turret]

Hi, I find the type19 meta, I died by one at 200m yesterday, so I think, either there's a hidden meta that allows that, or the guy cheats

[vast aspen]

200m??

[unreal gale]

In my ranked lobbies, which composes of t2 players frequently (I scrim too and I just measure them roughly based on that), everyone notices lasers. People either slide peek you or just avoid going through you.

[bright cloud]

No i find rds subjective. I always use base sights you always use rds

[magic portal]

I think it may have been slightly less than that mate

[vast aspen]

rds is just waste of attachment on most guns

[vast aspen]

"slightly"

[unreal gale]

let's talk about lasers first

[dry turret]

Yes, 200m :(, from firing rage aside the terminal to rivertown bridge

[vast aspen]

yes

[unreal gale]

this is my experience with lasers in ranked. And so do t3 players.

[magic portal]

Sorry "A Lot" Less

[vast aspen]

from nuketown to crossfire

[unreal gale]

so do you guys only make gunsmiths for t4 players?

[bright cloud]

Exaxtly what i said

Lasers are rly good for lower and rly bad for higher levels

[unreal gale]

and why don't you guys make gunsmiths optimal for high level play?

it's not exactly t1 play we're talking here

[magic portal]

Each suits its own

[dry turret]

He was on the top of building next the terminal station

[bright cloud]

We do? We made an non laser t19 build as a seperate graoh for high level play

[unreal gale]

t3 players notice and adjust according to your laser

[vast aspen]

absolutely not, t3 is just ur average player lmao

average legendary rank

[unreal gale]

have you played in t3 scrims?

[vast aspen]

you'll find t3 everywhere there

[unreal gale]

people definitely aren't the average legendary rankers

[vast aspen]

scrim and ranked are different lol

[unreal gale]

we're talking about t3 as a skill range

[vast aspen]

99.7% players play ranked

[dry turret]

He was on the top of building next terminal chip at firing range, hits me on the rivertown bridge, my mate killed him after, two type19 on him

[unreal gale]

because your impression of t3 players seems to be pretty off

[magic portal]

That is not true at all but okay

[vast aspen]

even then it's ur legendary players who are above 10k

[vast aspen]

I mean most are rank grinders and not scrimmers lol

[unreal gale]

there are a lot of t4 players in top 5k. let's measure them by tiers instead of ranked points shall we?

just so we're on the same page

ranked players scrim. scrimmers ranked. The two groups overlap big time

[vast aspen]

funny how we posted 3 type 19 builds without lasers

[rich arch]

Alright, @strong monolith what would you say is the best type 19 sks build

[unreal gale]

and scrimmers don't just slap on lasers in ranked.

[vast aspen]

and also a red dot build

[rich arch]

I'm not using lasers either

[vast aspen]

@rich arch

[unreal gale]

hey, we're talking about lasers and what you guys think of them. no one's saying you guys think lasers are a must

[strong monolith]

Int supp barrel
Optic/Merc fg if you have mythic
Polymer grip
Sniper mag
FMJ

[unreal gale]

Because I'm trying to put forth the stance that lasers are simply not viable

[magic portal]

I gave up on judging people by rank and points because I have met weapons leaderboards players who are diabolical l, top 5k players more times than I can count and they are bots, the best player I ever played against to memory was pro rank in mp and master rank in BR

[rich arch]

Thx my guy

[vast aspen]

this is false

[unreal gale]

so let's talk about why you guys think lasers are viable

[bright cloud]

And i wouldnt reccpmend that to them. Again we have two diff builds for laser and no laser

[unreal gale]

in my experience, literally everyone in ranked notices lasers and adjusts their playstyles around seeing your laser

that goes from t2 all the way down to t4

[bright cloud]

In my experience nah but im still paranoic so i domt use lasers lol

[bright cloud]

@unreal gale

[unreal gale]

ok fair

[vast aspen]

I definitely would not ditch free bsa and ads time kek

[unreal gale]

yeah, but I think lasers shouldn't be used at all. just like strike foregrip shouldn't be used at all

[rich arch]

Not only in your experience, that's a fact everyone is aware of

[unreal gale]

like I think lasers are only viable in br, zombies and shipment hardpoint

where it actually doesn't matter

[vast aspen]

for something which I can hide by aiming at the nearby wall

lol

[unreal gale]

okay, that's the next point.

[vast aspen]

I use high sens, easy to flick

[unreal gale]

people say you can negate the visible laser by aiming at a wall

[vast aspen]

not everyone can do that

[unreal gale]

here's why I think it's not worth

flicking is a lot more inconsistent than hardscoping the doorway, would you agree?

[magic portal]

That's more common sense than anything else

[bright cloud]

You can zechnicly hid levels and make them not a nuiscance and worth it in lower levels. Again depends where you play in lower legy people dont notice lasers

[vast aspen]

if hardscoping the doorway reveals ur entire position then no lol

[unreal gale]

as in, without laser.

[vast aspen]

and lasers ads time helps in sudden 1v1 gunfights

[unreal gale]

okay let me just put it straight like this:
which is better, 10% ads speed 10% bsa (these are approximates) or the ability to hardscope doorways

or, is the loss of consistency because you flick rather than hardscope worth the 10% bsa?

at any rank

I would say bsa matter less at lower ranks since players can't aim that well anyway

[vast aspen]

32ms ads speed and bsa is easily worth something I can flick and get the kill most of the times lol

[unreal gale]

when you flick, it's a lot less consistent than when you hardscope, would you agree?

[vast aspen]

even if u hardscope most enemies slide and pre aim doorways anyway

any good player will slide around corners

even heidern does

[unreal gale]

sure, but that adjustment is a lot easier and a lot more consistent than flicking

[vast aspen]

why? if ur enemy slides you'll have to flick anyway lol

[unreal gale]

that really depends on where you stand

if you're standing in a spot where you have to literally flick because the guy slides around the corner, consider repositioning

because everyone any decent slides around every corner

[vast aspen]

if you're standing in some other spots there are chances ur body is visible kek

[bright cloud]

For your avarege ranked warrior laaer is worth it. I would never reccpmend it to a pr9

[vast aspen]

yes

[unreal gale]

that's the thing, you guys seem to really underestimate the average ranked warrior lol

[bright cloud]

Thats where i stand and even sleep agrees on that

[vast aspen]

you're overestimating the average ranked warrior lol

[unreal gale]

I'm an averaged ranked warrior

[vast aspen]

ranked now a days it's much easier than old seasons

[unreal gale]

I see lasers.

[vast aspen]

you just have to play regularly and you reach legendary

[unreal gale]

I agree with that

[vast aspen]

back in the days u lost 70 points for a loss