codm-gunsmith-help

[pseudo pawn]

thanks

[shadow briar]

I use quick fix over toughness, but that’s also 100% valid

I only run toughness on semis/snipers

[digital needle]

Am i the only one who run cold blood as green perk ?

[shadow briar]

If it was blue I would

There’s just better green options imho

[vale lichen]

51dmg

[bright cloud]

Combat stock best imo

[rich arch]

Ideally you could do multiple loadouts for the same gun, 3 would be perfect, snd, respawns and objectives. Then you could have 11 different guns with 3 different configurations for each

[rich arch]

I do too

[viscid belfry]

@rich arch u got ur phone back?

[wintry glacier]

M4 build no laser?

[hot pumice]

👋

[shadow hound]

Mono Supressor
Ranger Barrel
No Stock
Ext Mag
Granulated Tape

[wintry glacier]

Ty

[rich arch]

any1 koshka??

@rich arch

[tawny isle]

@rich arch

[ancient elm]

Bc chicom sucks

[daring star]

Does anyone has an aggressive gunsmith for type 19

[ancient elm]

hmm

[narrow glen]

@ancient elm, 16 Server Rank

[ancient elm]

unless u have the mythic than nah

[tawny isle]

hmm

[keen gazelle]

no it doesn’t

you do

[ancient elm]

I have every gun diamond and max mastery

can't forget about me getting legendary 23 times

[keen gazelle]

i 1v1’ed a 20 time legendary in both br and mp earlier thats top 5k

10-2, rank doesnt mean much

[unreal gale]

suppressor where

[unreal gale]

chicom got buffed and it's better than ksp now iirc

gun is actually not bad anymore. round about where m4 is

[unreal gale]

I love how out of all qualifications you chose the 2 that don't mean jack

literally "I got 120 kills in a shipment hardpoint match" means more than what you listed

[bright cloud]

Replace polymer with heavyweoght suppresor for passive ish build or barrel for heavywieght for the flex build

[unreal gale]

Or replace laser

[bright cloud]

If you are gonna use accurate barrel the laser is a must

[unreal gale]

Why? And laser is never a must

[bright cloud]

Bsa becomes a problem at higher ranges

[unreal gale]

And how does accurate barrel relate to that?

Longer range?

I do remember isleep talking about it

Type19 might be the first gun I use laser on then lol

Thinking back, maybe laser is good on m13 mythic too

[bright cloud]

This

The accurate barrel draws sou back to a more passive playstyle where bsa is meeded

[bright cloud]

Yes but why mythic specificly?

[unreal gale]

Mythic m13 ads animation is pretty bad

You need to stack ads speed on that gun for it to feel alr

Feels light and flimsy, not unlike mythic Grau

[bright cloud]

I would use same build on mythic and base m13 but whatever

[unreal gale]

Guns like kilo you can run holger ads speed and it still feels fine since it's a firm gun

[unreal gale]

M13 is much more firm

[bright cloud]

This is the passive ish build

[unreal gale]

Call it placebo, sure, but I think it definitely matters

[unreal gale]

Yeah that's probably gonna be the build I run

Just waiting to get some cp rn lol

[bright cloud]

Definetly is lmao. I really wouldnt know as i dont vare ab ads animations irons and that kinda stuff

[unreal gale]

It throws me off

[unreal gale]

So I gotta slap on combat stock

[bright cloud]

This is my build

[bright cloud]

I use no stock on m13 lmao

[bright cloud]

Lol it even says tested by me

[unreal gale]

I guess 31m of range is not bad

[unreal gale]

Nah no stock is kinda L imo

You lose too much recoil

[bright cloud]

Control the recoil

[unreal gale]

Impossible. No way you're beaming head glitches with that

[bright cloud]

Ak 47 545 horrible recoil build with 50 sens

[unreal gale]

If you use it like a flex gun, might as well use ffar or swb

[bright cloud]

Ffar and pk>m13

Even put it so on my list

[unreal gale]

Beam a far bot for me. Head only

Specific application I have in mind is challenging shoot house p2 headglitch

And shoot house mid long head glitch

Also summit p4 forklift headglitch

Standoff p4 box headglitch

[bright cloud]

I cant open game rn

[unreal gale]

Standoff p1 window headglitch

[bright cloud]

Ill do it tmrw in the morning

[unreal gale]

Crash p1 hop up headglitch

[bright cloud]

I think its still possibke with m13 no stock to hit that

[unreal gale]

Like sure people say recoil is easy to control, becuase the gunfights they take are piss easy

[bright cloud]

Idk recoil never bothered me in game

[unreal gale]

The hop up next to snd A building?

From the bin/car

[bright cloud]

If i think what i think yeah

[unreal gale]

You can beam that with m13 no stock, in a competitive time?

If so, kudos to you. I can't do that

That's why I use ranger grip on hvk, so I can beam those more consistently

[bright cloud]

You use WHAT

Hvk doenst even have bad recoil

[unreal gale]

You haven't seen it before?

[bright cloud]

Nah thats wild

[unreal gale]

Super popular build in lb ranked lobbies

[ornate jackal]

So what do u consider bad recoil?

U said m16 wasnt bad either

[unreal gale]

Hvk does have minimal recoil, which allows you to stack it to challenge those fights

If you're using a fennec or auto asval, you can forgot about those fights

[bright cloud]

M16 is vertical only tho

[bright cloud]

Peacekeeper

[bright cloud]

For m16 literally just pull down @ornate jackal

[bright cloud]

Huh didng know that

[dusty heart]

Just main lk24

[ornate jackal]

Wont be using it so advice is unnecessary

I agree with it being just pull down

[bright cloud]

But you cant say for a vertical only recoil to be hard rly

[ornate jackal]

I mean look at oden

[unreal gale]

I don't have a lk on my curr main

[ornate jackal]

Just use rds

[unreal gale]

I'm currently maining drh/Grau

[ornate jackal]

It has the slots for it

[unreal gale]

Yeha I use red dot on my idolstar anyways ig

But might as well use my skins lol

[unreal gale]

Also Grau is better

[bright cloud]

Why?

Grau isntbeven good for mid to long

[unreal gale]

It just feels better

[bright cloud]

Let alome passive

[unreal gale]

It's literally by far the most used mid to long range AR in wc

And tectonic is no aggro player

[bright cloud]

Which is the wrong way to use grau

[unreal gale]

Well it works.

[dusty heart]

Idk lk feels better

[unreal gale]

Well.

[unreal gale]

Hm. I'll give lk another try

[bright cloud]

Not as well as em2 does for example

[unreal gale]

What build you running on the lk

[dusty heart]

Probs cuz I use the mythic but idk

[unreal gale]

Grau?

[dusty heart]

No stock, ranger barrel, tac suppressor, 50 mag, fmj

[dusty heart]

Yes

[unreal gale]

I just use red dot build on my mythic

Feels like base Grau

[bright cloud]

💀

[unreal gale]

Idk, do you guys actually play the game? Or is it just numbers on a piece of paper for you?

Feel like I'm talking to people who've never played the game before

[dusty heart]

Fair enough, but that kills the point of buying the skin ngl

[unreal gale]

"red dot has no statistical benefits"

[unreal gale]

Yeah, but you gotta do what you gotta do to squeeze out performance lol

[dusty heart]

Dawg i ain’t said that

[ancient elm]

same 🤷

[unreal gale]

Ik, but that's what all these stat analysts keep saying to me lol

[dusty heart]

Oh I just ignore most of the time

[unreal gale]

Also, you still get the cool gun, the sound effects and the kill effects

[dusty heart]

I build my guns my way

[dusty heart]

Fair, been seeing red dots on them a lot more now

[bright cloud]

Grau has good irons especialy mythic

[unreal gale]

Yeah, Grau mythic is kinda L lol

[bright cloud]

Why run rds

[dusty heart]

It has more aimshake without the red dot and ads weird

I still use the built in optic regardless

[bright cloud]

Generally i dont run rds on any gun but i wouldnt especialy on grau

[dusty heart]

A bit of shake is nothing

[unreal gale]

I also hate that ads sound they added

[dusty heart]

Yeah it feels clunky

[dusty heart]

Lk is super smooth with my build tho you should try

Especially with the fmj

Just don’t try aggro

[bright cloud]

Ads animation? Why does that impact your gameplay

[unreal gale]

I run this since I don't wall bang

[unreal gale]

Again, I feel like you don't actually play the game

[dusty heart]

It’s the same reason why people have the mythic dlq but use the base

[unreal gale]

This

Ads animation I would argue is just as important, if not more important than the actual sight

That's why guns like base m13 and base kilo feel so good

[bright cloud]

I do ive been legendary consistently

[unreal gale]

Because they have good ads animations

[unreal gale]

So has like 90% of the player base

[ornate jackal]

Fmj lk?

I use wounding

[bright cloud]

On snipers its very important as blankscoping is a thing and scopes shoukd allow you tgo properly aligh shots(even though mythic dlq has best sniper scope but whatever)

[bright cloud]

Overestimate

[ornate jackal]

Mythic dlq does not have the best sniper scope (subjective)

[dusty heart]

No recoil so you beam people through walls

[unreal gale]

I think it has the best scope

But the ads animation absolutely sucks

[dusty heart]

Just use marksman reticle

Or critical

Ez

[unreal gale]

I'm running dlq model with tundra

They better release the coolest skin of all time for me to change

[dusty heart]

Tundra is cracked for no reason

Don’t like

At least leave koshka as the best sniper since the scope on that is an abomination

[keen gazelle]

WOUNDING MENTIONED

[unreal gale]

I run dlq on that too xD

[bright cloud]

The scope shows itself at 38ms while base dlq is 128 ish. Basicly you can see the enemy way earkier on the mythic than base

[unreal gale]

Also stat analysts need to realize that the gun that feels is the best is the best gun to use practically

[keen gazelle]

WHAAATTTT

since when did sunny start making good takes

[unreal gale]

The difference between top guns is like 10, 20ms

[keen gazelle]

this is actually the most take ever

[bright cloud]

And the gun that has the best stats will gennerally feel the best once you master the gun

[keen gazelle]

nuh uh

why isnt everybody using bursts, sunny are bursts not statistically the best in ttk?

[unreal gale]

That is negligible, and the consistency of a good feeling gun far outweighs the stat difference

That's why cordite never overtook cbr.

Becuase the gun feels like crap

[keen gazelle]

^^ i did not know the sun was about that

[keen gazelle]

in all seriousness i try to push this out as well, very good take

[bright cloud]

Better stats make guns more consistent no? Qq10 is more consistent than sx9 cuz it has better hizboxes and range making it more conistent

[unreal gale]

Just use snipers and sks and shotguns. You can't beat them

[keen gazelle]

shlawg does not understand

better stats does not equal consistency

[unreal gale]

You're still talking about marginal differences in stats

[keen gazelle]

ie: burst cx9

[bright cloud]

Yes it does

[unreal gale]

We're talking about handling. How good the gun feels in your hands

[keen gazelle]

why isnt everybody running sks and bursts rhen😭

statistically theyre the best

or even semi autos for that fact

[bright cloud]

Which is all placebo and doesnt have an effect on gameplay

[unreal gale]

By15 slug. Literally unbeatable under 25m

[bright cloud]

We arent talking about ease of use tho?

[unreal gale]

Why is that not meta over fennec?

[keen gazelle]

handling is a placebo?? dude what

what are you talking about

handling is a huge part of the game for a reason

[bright cloud]

Ads speed no but how the ads animation feels yes

[unreal gale]

And what does placebo do? It improves performance for no reason

[bright cloud]

It is

[unreal gale]

Placebo isn't just fake. It's more like improvement for no reason

[ornate jackal]

The reason they dont do this is cause what feels better is 100% preference based, theres someone out there who hates using hvk and beating global hvk users with a mac10

[unreal gale]

Who have you seen use by15 seriously?

[ornate jackal]

Analysts simply go by whats best on paper

[keen gazelle]

ie: doctors giving pills that do nothing but patient feels great next day

[bright cloud]

Do you know what meta means?

Gun doesnt have to be used to be meta

[ornate jackal]

By15 the goat for mp its 1tap with slug goes crazy

[unreal gale]

💀

[bright cloud]

Groza best aggro ar and noone uses it

[keen gazelle]

😭😭😭

[keen gazelle]

CAUSE OF THE HANDLING

[unreal gale]

^^

[ornate jackal]

I heard a lot of people say “slug by15 is good if u have good aim” and expected it to have like 4 rounds that shit has 7 like wtf its not that hard to ads with

[unreal gale]

8

[ornate jackal]

Same difference fr

[unreal gale]

Has broken shotgun partial reload

[bright cloud]

Or maybe, just maybe ranked warriors dont know notbing and arent to be relied upon

[unreal gale]

Crazy movement. 0ms ttk

Great accuracy, great ads time

[keen gazelle]

i think the ttk with single taps would then be its ads time, if you really want a time yk

[bright cloud]

Yeah and all those are the reasons slugs is meta

[unreal gale]

Fair but you can hardscope

And pre aim like a sniper

Fennec also has ads time

[bright cloud]

By slugs is like hipfire quickscope hybrid

[ornate jackal]

He’s right

Ive been saying this

[bright cloud]

Meta means most effective weapon availablee not most used weapon available

[ornate jackal]

^

[unreal gale]

@bright cloud would you like to define meta for us? In the context that people use it in games

[keen gazelle]

yet yall say skins are p2w?

pick a fucking side 😭

is the definition exact or not whats going on

[bright cloud]

Who is we?

[unreal gale]

Meta is not "most effective tactics available"

[keen gazelle]

thank you

[unreal gale]

That's some bs acronym people linked later

[ornate jackal]

People in games generally use meta to describe or rate a gun for the standard person

[keen gazelle]

literally it is but nobody uses it like that

[ornate jackal]

Since when??

[keen gazelle]

yall are clowns

[keen gazelle]

sunny even said it down to the s in tactics too 😭

[bright cloud]

I think that is where i have to disagree. I woukd still call meta something whichs maximun performance is best and noob gun whichs minimum performance is the best

[bright cloud]

Like grau vs pk

[keen gazelle]

grau wins

[unreal gale]

Okay yeha idk maybe I'm wrong on this one

[bright cloud]

Originally meta wasnt formed for that term(but rather via metagame) but nowadays this acronym has surpprassed its origins

[ornate jackal]

Meta is personal preference, there should be a term to describe how good guns are for the general pubkic

[bright cloud]

Minimum performance yes maximum no

[narrow glen]

@bright cloud, 20 Server Rank

[unreal gale]

Regardless, as a stat analysts you're trying to provide the best options for people to use

Not what's technically the best on paper

People are meant to perform better with what you give them

[keen gazelle]

^^^^^^^^

[bright cloud]

Ofc. I will always make the distinction between a meta gun and a easy to use gun like the newly released t19

[unreal gale]

Dude literally no one cares about what's the best on paper

That stuff cna stay on paper

People just want to perform well

[keen gazelle]

youre contradicting now?

[keen gazelle]

what 😭 bro pick a side

[unreal gale]

How easy it is to perform well with a gun = how good the gun is

[bright cloud]

My side is that meta is the weapon with best stats and noob gun is the weapons thats easiest to use

[unreal gale]

Not the potential, otherwise just use snipers end of discussion

[ornate jackal]

Which doesnt really help, just because a gun is broken or good doesnt mean theyll be good with it, but there’s a gun that may appease to them and that is that specific persons “ most effective tactic “

[keen gazelle]

then i guess everybody in comp are noobs

[bright cloud]

Snipers dont have the potential to go against muktiple enemeis as well as autonatics do

[keen gazelle]

number 1 player is a noob which means bad player 🤦‍♂️😭

[unreal gale]

Just try all the guns people say are good

And pick one you like

[unreal gale]

Exactly. A scroll on lb shows you all the slowest builds of all time on hvk and Grau

[bright cloud]

Pro knce said to me its bc thes dont wanna learn recoil and its just easier for them to use noob gun.

[unreal gale]

That's also true

[ornate jackal]

Metas been used as a term to describe things for everyone when everyone has different experiences

[unreal gale]

Yeah no let's not go super liberal with our definitions here

[bright cloud]

Pk is gonna perform better than grau if you can control the recoil on both and ignore all the woerd placebo shenanigans

[unreal gale]

Bit anyway, moral of the story is Grau is good as a main ar

[bright cloud]

Not main ar

It excels as flex mid to close ar

[ornate jackal]

Well lemme put it like this, if i suck at using the best game in the gun like hvk, but i can use lk better then the more effective tactic would be lk (for that user)

[unreal gale]

You can use a UL or whatever if you like, but me and the vast majority of players who play the game will stick to Grau

[bright cloud]

Noob ar to be slecific

[ornate jackal]

Close? Grau?

[bright cloud]

Cuz they dont wanna improve and deak with harder to use qeapons

[bright cloud]

Its ttk drops hard after first range

[unreal gale]

No. They want to improve their actual aim and gunskill instead of sacrificing everything for a marginal ttk difference

[bright cloud]

Recoil is a part of aim too

[unreal gale]

There's so much more to gunskill than controlling the recoil of a bloody no stock m13 because it moves faster

[unreal gale]

Recoil is the part of aim you wish wasn't there

So just build your gun so it's not there

[bright cloud]

But still taking time and learning recoil on pk is gonna be more worth than using graz

[unreal gale]

Good luck with that.

I'll stick to my Grau

[bright cloud]

Why?

[bright cloud]

Ar with best minimum performance in its class and thats fine

[unreal gale]

Your definition of performance is too theoretical, that's what we've been telling you for the past 20min. Guns don't perform in a vacuum or on the training range

What works works

[bright cloud]

Its not a vacuum its smth very realistic

Its unrealistic for me to ask you to form muscle memory for speed acceleration

[bright cloud]

That is straight up humanly impossible imo(even more so with distance

But with recoil it isn as hard as you make it out to be and its something you can geniunly learn and then be able to use a better gun

[keen gazelle]

youre talking all this, why dont you just run 1’s with me and @unreal gale

@unreal gale his off meta high skill guns should win right?

[ornate jackal]

Isnt this what i was saying in a slightly different way

[bright cloud]

Where?

[ornate jackal]

Sunnys already familiar with him to some extent

[bright cloud]

I couldnt keep track of your arguments too

[bright cloud]

The noob guns are off meta not the high skill guns by definiton lol

[ornate jackal]

Im just gonna sum it up for u “ the best gun for everyone ≠ the best gun for you “

[bright cloud]

Thats not exactly what i meant but it could be summed up best

[keen gazelle]

you just said earlier meta is noob

why do you keep contradicting yourself, thats twice now

[bright cloud]

I said the exact opposite bruh

[bright cloud]

Please show me

[keen gazelle]

noob gun is easiest, meta is the easiest guns rn

[viscid belfry]

not rlly

[ancient elm]

best man o war gunsmith?

[bright cloud]

What?

[keen gazelle]

easiest guns rn, hvk, grau, whats meta rn?

[ornate jackal]

Gimme a sec i gotchu

[viscid belfry]

mono, ranger barrel, combat stock, max mag, tac laser

[bright cloud]

I said meta gun is gun with best stats and noob gun is the gun thats easy to use

[viscid belfry]

i have some problem at hvk

[bright cloud]

How is that contradicting?

[ancient elm]

ok bbg 😈

[bright cloud]

You still havent showed me where i said noob gun is meta

[bright cloud]

Hvk isnt an easy gun to use due to mag size and grau isnt meta

[viscid belfry]

grau not meta lmfao

[ornate jackal]

If u dont like colo sup, use mono or rather tac sup with owc ranger bar

Light stock can be combat

[bright cloud]

If we go by acronym most effective tactic avaliable then yeah no it isnt

[viscid belfry]

i would change apparence of supp

[viscid belfry]

also y u bought gunzo draw

[ornate jackal]

I dont use anything close to that build

[ornate jackal]

Cause icr lb

[viscid belfry]

u got one of my dreams draw

[ornate jackal]

I would have preferred the leggy operator gunzo draw i would like that chainsaw leggy that comes with it

But icr rahh

[viscid belfry]

finally someone who likes gunzo

[viscid belfry]

with damascus

[ornate jackal]

Grau is meta btw (for the general public)

Im close to diamond for icr

[viscid belfry]

i alr got it

[ornate jackal]

With only ranked games

[bright cloud]

I woukd argue meta are the best guns no matter how hard they are to use

[viscid belfry]

either my icr and ur i prefear mine but gunzo one will always be on my heart

[ornate jackal]

Thats what meta should be * yet how the word itself is being used is quite more inclusive

[viscid belfry]

btw how many guns have on codm rn?

[ornate jackal]

Meta is now a measurement of usage and standard compatibility and not “hey this weapons actually better than the one everyones using”

[ornate jackal]

Wdym

[viscid belfry]

all guns

[ornate jackal]

116 i think

[bright cloud]

And thats wrong. This is the only game this can happen in where meta is now astand in for ease of use

[viscid belfry]

ok

[bright cloud]

Saying grau is meta rly is dumb usage of the word

[viscid belfry]

ok better

later ill count how many golds

[ornate jackal]

I agree with u but its not something we can change, its also a commonly confused misconception a lot of competitive games have

[viscid belfry]

i think im at 70 golds rn

[bright cloud]

I will still refer to ACTUAL meta guns as meta tho. And fake meta as noob guns. Ima go with the right way

[ornate jackal]

I hate now having reaction or gif perms in this channel this deserved a star

Ive been putting off grinding all that for lb and too 5k grind

[viscid belfry]

wdym

i saw u gm5 and me master 2

[ornate jackal]

Cant react with emojis or send gif in this channel

[ornate jackal]

Leggy now

[viscid belfry]

[ornate jackal]

U got this easily

[viscid belfry]

atleast im doing snipers rn

[viscid belfry]

easily no

[ornate jackal]

I had maybe 10 games tops that were difficult in masters

[viscid belfry]

i only get it fast when sunny or other pro plays for me

[keen gazelle]

@unreal gale

crazy isnt it

[viscid belfry]

which server

[keen gazelle]

main stats server for every top youtuber and pro

[viscid belfry]

ah

[ornate jackal]

Hes just saying thats not the correct use of the word meta tho

[viscid belfry]

all guns r op just depends how u play

[ornate jackal]

Which was my argument

[viscid belfry]

idk

[rich arch]

Hello

[austere igloo]

Type19 not exactly the best choice for an ar but this build works

[ruby iris]

[shadow briar]

gun stats are irrelevant if the skill gap is big enough

[austere igloo]

@strong monolith is this a viable ppsh build now?

[ornate jackal]

Yes but u should use 55 mag instead of soh, owc skel stock instead of no stock unless u want to movement speed

And only use tac sup if u want less ads on purpose, otherwise owc sup is better its literally only -5% range

[strong monolith]

Actually quite viable
But I would use light supp

[austere igloo]

doesnt that kill its range?

[austere igloo]

so its not detrimental?

[unreal gale]

Isn't it just a Grau clone?

[ornate jackal]

Nope unless ur not running banner heavy

[vale lichen]

HVK betrayed by sunny

[unreal gale]

Indeed

But honestly it just doesn't feel as good

Could be because drh feels too good

The previous gun that felt like this was cbr

Ironsight is a correlating factor. Maybe that's why?

[austere igloo]

I was gonna say it was more of grau’s less popular cousin

But whatever

[unreal gale]

Mainly because of the Ironsight though

If you have the mythic, I'm pretty sure it's better

Definitely feels great

And you can't beat the 3 in 1

I kinda feel and for the devs though

They literally threw everything they could think of onto the Grau mythic to make it perfect

But it ended up feeling like crap lol

[austere igloo]

I'm not feeling the mythic

[austere igloo]

this applies to me but for the type19 mythic

[unreal gale]

Wait the mythic is basically also a mythic sks

[austere igloo]

& I don't even think they put much effort into the typ19 mythic either

[unreal gale]

It's a mythic Grau and sks and ul in one

[austere igloo]

it feels lazy

& the overall design of it gives me the impression that it was rushed

mythic grau on the other hand feels like they were a little more meticulous

[zinc schooner]

Hi

[strong monolith]

You would barely notice a 5% range penalty

[ornate jackal]

Yea but it can function as a holger, and sks, and i think(possibly) has better damage range and ttk

[unreal gale]

Yeah, but grass said it was bad as an ar

[rich arch]

Bro why assault knife.

[upper osprey]

Cringe

[rich arch]

Noice

Teammates isnt it?

[upper osprey]

[ornate jackal]

Thats not even bad fr especially for snd

[upper osprey]

I k

[ornate jackal]

When i lose i lose like full on loss, loss, loss, loss, loss

[upper osprey]

Xd

[ornate jackal]

U did good all good performances

[upper osprey]

Thx

[austere igloo]

Fair

[rich arch]

Wait what rank r u rn

[upper osprey]

Master 4

[floral aurora]

Grau build mp ranked?

[crimson arch]

how long will it take me to reach around legendary?

and then the grind for the assault knife will take how long too

[rich arch]

.

[upper osprey]

Xd

[rich arch]

Bruh I hate my life.

[formal river]

I wish

[formal river]

OCD is kicking in rn

[rich arch]

I also went on a double loss streak after this

[formal river]

No

[dawn verge]

fr

[dusty heart]

Tac laser to no stock

[rich arch]

I lit tried to not throw my phone.

[dawn verge]

lmao

[rich arch]

Ooooo might use :

[cerulean ledge]

I need a good fennec

[rich arch]

Rds?

[cerulean ledge]

?

[rich arch]

Red dot site or no

[cerulean ledge]

No

[dawn verge]

Muzzle: Monolithic Suppressor
Stock: RTC Steady Stock
Laser: OWC Laser - Tactical
Ammunition: Extended Mag A
Rear Grip: Granulated Grip Tape
This setup enhances mobility, ammo capacity, and bullet spread accuracy for run-and-gun playstyle, making it effective from close to mid-range.

[rich arch]

Change gran to owc laser if u want

[rich arch]

This is not the best but can still work

[dawn verge]

i think it has enough ads speed so dont rlly need laser

[rich arch]

Then why u put laser.

[dawn verge]

tht loadout needs laser

[rich arch]

Also ye the ads alr good enough

[dawn verge]

ur loadout is fine

[dawn verge]

mhm

[rich arch]

How does ur build enhance mobility when most of the attachments minus movement speed.

[dawn verge]

Bruh i like this loadout i am used to it, sometimes the best loadout is ur own

he can try ur loadout idc

[rich arch]

Ok?

[dawn verge]

mhm

[swift abyss]

Am i cooking

Or should i never enter the kitchen again

[dusty heart]

Burn down the kitchen and yourself

[swift abyss]

😔

[chrome sundial]

Just replace the bipod with agile or steady stock

[ornate jackal]

Fire build bro🔥(literally set on fire)

[celest blade]

swap gran for light stock

bsa attachments kinda useless on fennec bc it doesn’t increase effective range by a notable amount

it just makes 20m fights very slightly easier

light stock gives u same strafe as pdw

which basically 5m/s

[celest blade]

if u REALLY wanted to then trade the ext barrel for a hip fire laser on top of the light stock

make urself impossible to hit in ads AND hf

[uncut condor]

Use mono on everything

[celest blade]

yah ofc for range

but ext barrel on fennec only gives you 1-2m

not a noticeable difference

[tawny walrus]

There are not many attachments you can use on Fennec.

So it’s okay to use extended barrel.

[celest blade]

right but again it’s only if u want +2m of range

which again i will say is tradable for more hf accuracy or a red dot sight

[tawny walrus]

Accuracy for CQB SMG?

[celest blade]

yes more hip fire accuracy

to further improve the close range performance

smh what’s so hard to understand

[celest blade]

steady stock does nothing but bsa and again bsa on a cqc smg is close to irrelevant because the fennec is useless outside of 15-20m purely because of its recoil and bad bullet spread (despite bsa attachments)

[tawny walrus]

No one uses hip fire accuracy attachments.

[digital needle]

5mw laser on CW Smg

Worth for 40% hip spread reduction

[dawn verge]

ig hipfire is more useful for br

[digital needle]

Definitely

[dawn verge]

mp is all abt ads not many ppl use hipfire

[digital needle]

I do on Ots 9 and Lapa

[dawn verge]

yea smgs r pretty good for hipfire

nice loadouts btw

[digital needle]

[tawny walrus]

Eww.

[floral aurora]

AK117 build

[digital needle]

I'm BR main

I hipfire at close range, ok ?

[rich arch]

Any1 got a ar or smg for snd.

[austere igloo]

Plat lapa

[austere igloo]

Oh no I do that too

I hipfire with lapa in br too

[austere igloo]

Right back at ya

[austere igloo]

But I can’t get behind this

Ots w/o laser > ots w laser

[austere igloo]

It is

In fact, here’s my hipfire specced ppsh for br

[keen gazelle]

bruh

[tawny walrus]

Huh?

[rich arch]

Yoo

[rich arch]

So close

https://tenor.com/view/fucking-peaky-blinders-gif-13064732

[digital needle]

Hmm ..

That should be illegal

[rich arch]

Someone pls give me a smg or ar for snd i needa rank up bro

[digital needle]

Chicom best Smg

No joke.

[rich arch]

Isnt it a burst?

[digital needle]

Yea

Burst

[rich arch]

I dislike burst no ty

[digital needle]

Type 19 SR

[rich arch]

I want a auto gun.

[digital needle]

LmaOden

Monke gun

[rich arch]

Oden is semi.

[digital needle]

Oden is Auto

[rich arch]

: slow firerate

[digital needle]

Any 3 shots gun then

[wheat fog]

Someone wants to play together with me

[digital needle]

Wam o mar, Doctor H, Em2

[chrome sundial]

Em2 is 3 shot?

[digital needle]

Yep

With taskforce barrel

[chrome sundial]

Got a good build for that?

[rich arch]

Bet ranked?

[chrome sundial]

Thanks, I'll try it.

[wheat fog]

Yeah

[rich arch]

Ur user?

[rich arch]

U got a cbr build?

Or maybe hvk gunsmith?

[wheat fog]

7180939180443172865

[chrome sundial]

Mip light, monolithic, red dot, larg cal, gran tape

Switch the red dot with combat stock if you have a good skin, or prefer the default

[rich arch]

Ok

[rich arch]

Ur garena right?

[wheat fog]

Yeah

[rich arch]

Cant find ima give u mine wait a sec.

Wait do u have streamer mode on?

7149508447535366145

[wheat fog]

But my rank is still pro

[rich arch]

Alr

[native canopy]

Br or mp?

[leaden pike]

Type 19 build?

[ruby iris]

Heavy supp
Aa laser/laser fg
Fast mag
Polymer/accurate grip
Agile stock

[leaden pike]

Ty

[wheat fog]

Br

[bright cloud]

There are 10 diff buikds but i have 6. What do ya need snd,flex,passive ish, aggresive ish, lmg, dmr or rds?

[leaden pike]

Aggressive

[bright cloud]

Heavyweight suppresor agile stock cronen shark fg fast mag accurate grip

[vast aspen]

yes

[bright cloud]

Dont waste work kekw

[thorny sigil]

Use red dot on Grau op

[placid yarrow]

‏سلام

[vast aspen]

no wtf

[narrow glen]

@vast aspen, 1 Server Rank

[elfin rampart]

What gun is good for hardpoint rn?

[keen gazelle]

the

[vast aspen]

yes I like the

[ruby iris]

The
_ _
_ _
_ _
_ _
_ _

[unreal gale]

oi scrap that, poised guardian is so p2w

the additional spike in the middle makes it so much more precise than the base

[feral gorge]

Can you swap grip for laser

QXR build

[rich arch]

Time to use this even tho cbr aint meta

[bright cloud]

Yes thats my flex build

[earnest wyvern]

Who got the best gun in SND I kept losing in that match using CBR4

I need help

[rich arch]

Smg or ar?

I use grau but i think its mainly up to your personal preference

[earnest wyvern]

Ok

[vale lichen]

I need help

[earnest wyvern]

Yo thx ah

[ruby iris]

?

[vale lichen]

NA45 build

[feral gorge]

I’m getting ptsd

[vale lichen]

W skin

[vale lichen]

Krill issue

[feral gorge]

Does anyone have a QXR build

[ruby iris]

With or without eb

[rich arch]

Wo speak freanch

French*

[golden summit]

Attachments for rytec?

[bright cloud]

Cbr4 sucks

[bright cloud]

Best ones are to npt use rytec kekw

[vale sequoia]

Is this a W?

[silent burrow]

....

[rich arch]

Light suppressor
Mobility stock
Armor piercer mag
Stippled tape
Short barrel

[rich arch]

Yuh

Discord got glitched all day today sorry lol

[golden summit]

Thundra nk hitmark?

No*

[rich arch]

Every sniper hitmarks besides hdr and zrg anti vehicle mag

[golden summit]

Then what do i see on tt? Fake??

[rich arch]

Yes
Tiktok is often bs

[golden summit]

Oh okay thanks

[rich arch]

Yeah use one of these though
Second is for wallbanging

[vast aspen]

on legs yes

[narrow glen]

@vast aspen, 2 Server Rank

[bright cloud]

Bandit steady overrated use striker fg

[rich arch]

Id use that over mag

But in general this is easiest and most optimal

[ruby iris]

Ion sprint around that much

[bright cloud]

I find bandit uselles since im subconsiouvly canceling sprint anyway

And it ruins your blankscope

[rich arch]

How?

[bright cloud]

-30% hipfire spread

[rich arch]

Oh right

Well im thumbs anyway 💀 I can blankscope actually lmao but im not super accurate

[bright cloud]

But yeah for 4 fingers bandit steady scope is more of a disadvantage than advantage

Just use striker fg thats the only other attachemnt you can ude

[rich arch]

If youre going for blankscoping use koshka though tbh

[bright cloud]

Tundra has better blankscope accuracy tho

260-0 vs 400-0 on koshka

[rich arch]

Vs koshka with its blankscoping laser?

[austere igloo]

Haven’t used ak117 in mp in a while hows it?

[bright cloud]

I forgor that existed but with fast aim its still 260-340

[rich arch]

Oh 💀

[rich arch]

Solid

[bright cloud]

Basicly slightly worse pk and ffar rly

[austere igloo]

Somebody say koshka?

[rich arch]

Yeah

[bright cloud]

SoH?

[austere igloo]

Bcoz fuck supp on snipers

[rich arch]

Also tried ffar again and its a beast if I hit with it but im not consistent

[austere igloo]

Oh yea ffar will kill u if u miss shots

Like oden

[bright cloud]

Ffar lizerally better grau

[austere igloo]

Not exactly

Ffar has its niche, as does grau

[bright cloud]

Grau is npob gun pk clears it

[austere igloo]

Noob gun doesn’t mean its bad

Grau is literally a crutch for noobs bcoz its so easy to use

[bright cloud]

Ofc not but pk is better

[austere igloo]

With very little downsides

[austere igloo]

Pk has shitty lateral recoil & bad bsa & damage dropoff

[rich arch]

Yeah but now I have t19

And im pretty great with it

[bright cloud]

Do you want me to send ya 6 graohs we did for t19?

[austere igloo]

Type19 is grau but with inferior irons

[rich arch]

💀😭

[rich arch]

Nah its better

[austere igloo]

No its not

[rich arch]

I dont mind the irons too much but theres always a red dot

[rich arch]

The stats are

[austere igloo]

Grau’s irons are super clean, type19’s are just…okay

[austere igloo]

I was talking about irons but ok

[rich arch]

Oh I mean the irons are worse than grau yeah

[austere igloo]

Also ppl be sleeping on this lmg 24/7

[bright cloud]

Bro mellow is ul736 lb you know that

[austere igloo]

No i didn’t

[rich arch]

No kidding

[bright cloud]

Im sorry what? DAMAGE DROP OFF?

[austere igloo]

Or perhaps I forgor

[austere igloo]

You’re the exception that proves the rule

[bright cloud]

Grau has one of the qorst damage drop offs for an ar😭

[austere igloo]

In br yes, its bad

Not in mp though

[bright cloud]

No in mp

[austere igloo]

Not from what I’ve seen

[bright cloud]

In mp the grau cant consistentky 4 shot in second range

[rich arch]

I caused two other ul users in the same game btw and beat em both even tho one was global

[austere igloo]

Not a big deal since the grau has very good stability & zero recoil

[rich arch]

True
Also rare ferg W is him acknowledging its power and saying its great as a forx ar

[bright cloud]

I just said a lil ago how grau is easier to use but pk is better

[austere igloo]

Forx ar?

[austere igloo]

That point remains to be proven

[rich arch]

Imagine using extended barrel and ranger fg and still losing a long range fight to me with no barrel or fg and combat stock

[austere igloo]

I have not seen pkmk2 used in ranked

[bright cloud]

What?

[rich arch]

Flex mb typo

[bright cloud]

Cuz ranked people are dumb

[ornate jackal]

How do u keep facing ur lb rivals

[vale lichen]

Grass GM now 💀

[ornate jackal]

The closest i got to that is facing no.2 on mow lb

Cause after icr im going for mow lb

[rich arch]

No idea I get at least 2 lb players per match so its bound to happen + they pull it out when they see me

[austere igloo]

On paper yes, I know

[vale lichen]

Show ur build

[austere igloo]

But it hasn’t become reality where I’m at

[austere igloo]

Dumb & close-minded

[bright cloud]

For grau i use zi's grau for pk i use reccomended build as it is tze best one

[ornate jackal]

Dw i will

[rich arch]

Its the recoil and sights that steer people away from pk v grau

[bright cloud]

Exactly

[austere igloo]

You’re global folk

We’re not the same

[bright cloud]

I said exactly that, grau is easier to use but pk is better

[rich arch]

Easier to use = better for most players

[austere igloo]

Which was what I said

[bright cloud]

I agree with that

[austere igloo]

But he didn’t buy it, lol

[rich arch]

[austere igloo]

Anyhoos

[bright cloud]

I agree its easier to use but once you master the pk its simply better

[bright cloud]

Does this sound better?

[rich arch]

Ul is easy to use too idk why no one touches it
Only downside is somewhat harsh initial recoil, but after about 5 shots it basically flatlines

[austere igloo]

Forget pk, master this gun ^

[bright cloud]

M16 wf best passive ar no joke

[austere igloo]

Eww no wf m16 is cringe

Burst is bttr

[bright cloud]

Just requires you not to spam bullets like a moron

[bright cloud]

In first range yeah in second nah

[austere igloo]

Which I don’t, luckily, but still nah

[rich arch]

Or ul

[austere igloo]

This gun doesn’t need a brain to master

[bright cloud]

Combat stock instead of strike betted

[rich arch]

^

[bright cloud]

Why?

[austere igloo]

This is for snd

& I hv skulker perk

& that build is from path.exe so I hv no reason to doubt their credibility

[ornate jackal]

Ill download ur cod and be no.10 with peacekeeper gg

[vale lichen]

Weird it seems to have similar stats but grua feels much better than PK

[bright cloud]

Cuz the recoil is better

[rich arch]

I actually did good in snd

Three top 5k enemies so it was stacked against me but I am just better

[ornate jackal]

If ur using skulker dont u wanna maximize ur ads and movement speed

[rich arch]

(Ignore my accuracy, one tap ads fire lowers it by like 5%)

[bright cloud]

But when you learn recoil on pk its undefeatable

[ornate jackal]

Ive been getting average top 5k players besides when i matched with no.3 so i dont mind them nowdays i just look at character skins to determine how good the enemy is

[ornate jackal]

Is peacekeeper ur weapon of choice?

[bright cloud]

For aggro flex(mid to close)? Yeah

I use 5 ars anyway

[rich arch]

Hmm true

I just hit leggy tonight so eh

[ornate jackal]

I may switch switchblade to peacekeeper to see what ur talking abt

[north nest]

is dlq with disable and maevwat good

[bright cloud]

Swich mid asf smg

[ornate jackal]

Now thats a crazy statement

[bright cloud]

Actually no it isnt

Compared tp other smgs it isnt a very valid option

[rich arch]

Rate mah build

[vale lichen]

Megawalt 🤢

Ammo

[bright cloud]

Ironic right?

[rich arch]

Nope 💀

[bright cloud]

:uwotm8:

[rich arch]

Ive always wondered why everyone uses it

[bright cloud]

Bro how do i get nitro emojis here mellow

[rich arch]

Takes perms for that

Like lvl 35 I think 💀

[bright cloud]

Yea qq10 fennec cx9, and even few others i shluldnt mention or ill get castrated

[rich arch]

Lmfao

[tidal matrix]

Hi I need a 1v1 sniper for video pls world chat is dodo

[bright cloud]

Actualy fuck it ima show our smg rank8ng

[tidal matrix]

Any one???

[ancient elm]

what's a qq10..

[rich arch]

Alr 💀💀

[bright cloud]

Qq9 with 10mm mag

[tidal matrix]

Yo

[ancient elm]

I like qq9 that used to be my first choice in any ranked situation

[rich arch]

And fyi my ak build is fine I dont need a lot of ammo

[tidal matrix]

1v1 sniper noobs I need a clip bot

[lapis gulch]

yoooo

[bright cloud]

Aggresive close range smgs
Cx9/Cx burst>qq10/fennec>ppsh>qq9>ots9>lapa/msmc>eb qxr>qxr >sx9>Mac>Cbr>pharo>s45~gks>s45 2 rnd

[ancient elm]

if u talking about qq9 build show me it bc I still love the qq9 I just don't use it alot

[lapis gulch]

anybody tryna fw zombies ??

[bright cloud]

Yeah but qq10 is just superior

[tidal matrix]

1v1 sniper noobs

[ancient elm]

tbh I don't like the 10mm mag

[bright cloud]

Also qq10 is supposed to be same tier as cx9 but i butchered it

[lapis gulch]

why imma rookie ?

[ancient elm]

It has more damage but something feels off

[bright cloud]

It is better tho

[lapis gulch]

imma elite in game

[bright cloud]

Low mag size

[bright cloud]

In server rank is based on how much you talk here

Only qeapon lb role is based on in gamd

[ancient elm]

first of all how r u only elite and these are levels not real ranked

[bright cloud]

Good question

[ancient elm]

I want a good answer

[rich arch]

I meant ak but uh
Mono
Long barrel
45rd or 10mm mag
Tac laser or gran
No stock

[bright cloud]

Long tac recon its called amd tac laser better

[ancient elm]

r u the same person that always gives me gunsmiths

[bright cloud]

Taper is simply smth not meeded on smgs

[rich arch]

Right
Tac laser is often hated due to visibility so I say gran as a side option

[rich arch]

Yeah 💀💀💀

[bright cloud]

@rich arch

[rich arch]

Got my phone back btw 🔥

[ancient elm]

(no homo) I love u 😎😀

[vale lichen]

You rookieee

[ornate jackal]

Maevat only in br, also disables just offbrand maevat so use like wounding or fmj idk

[bright cloud]

Qxr is stupidly underrated

[lapis gulch]

chill on me i jus joined server

[rich arch]

Ppsh over qq9 sheesh
Mostly agree though msmc is kinda…

[bright cloud]

Fmj dont use wounding mf

[ornate jackal]

I remember being heated in br getting hit with a concussive sniper with basically no cover

[vale lichen]

Qq9 are for robots with more accuracy

[ornate jackal]

If hes hitmarkering then he should use wounding

[rich arch]

LMAO

[ornate jackal]

Especially in like br

[ancient elm]

we all know u gotta say no homo before u say it

[bright cloud]

Wait lemme pull up stats

[vale lichen]

how r you rookie bro, i am on highest role in game legendary

[ornate jackal]

Ppsh is good

[ancient elm]

looks just like it

[lapis gulch]

in game im elite IV i just dont know how to make it show in the discord server

u mus jus hit legend

[ornate jackal]

I replaced drh for pkm since hes so sure of it being better

[rich arch]

I mean ik msmc stats are good but the sights and recoil are a hard no
And ppsh over qq9 is, idk, ppsh has harsher recoil and no three tap potential but is otherwise way better

[ancient elm]

u do realize he isn't legendary it's a troll..

[jovial spruce]

Server rank doesn't have anything to do with in-game rank

[ornate jackal]

I used to love pkm but idk like that anymore

[vale lichen]

Shame mello and ruckus is fake legendary in-game

[rich arch]

I say full homo

[lapis gulch]

i just realized lmao

[lapis gulch]

i didnt kno dat

[ancient elm]

well it's a go time 😈

[rich arch]

Wrong, just hit leggy tonight

[vale lichen]

Yes

[rich arch]

And 70 matches for leggy is really fast if im not mistaken

[lapis gulch]

fake

[rich arch]

[ornate jackal]

Why did we get a new fennec leggy

[vale lichen]

Bro thats fake real leggy looks like mine

[vale lichen]

It switches color

[ornate jackal]

We have corrupted light and mythic we need leggy switchblade

[bright cloud]

Here you go mellow

[ornate jackal]

Rahhhh we love being fake🗣️🗣️🗣️

[sturdy holly]

Does anyone have a good smg to use with a build?

[rich arch]

💀

[rich arch]

Nahh mono on ppsh

[vale lichen]

Me real leggy

[ornate jackal]

And can u show the stats of pkm compared to say hvk? I wanna see ur reasoning for ur choice

[bright cloud]

You have two options rly qq9 or cx9

[rich arch]

Mono + short barrel + that stock = 100 bsa

[vale lichen]

Faker

[sturdy holly]

Cx9

[bright cloud]

Hvk 8s better that aint even fair. Even though diff playstyle

[ornate jackal]

Okay then what about compared to lk

[bright cloud]

Thats the aggro build.

[rich arch]

Uhh let me show my build

[bright cloud]

Lk isnz even best passive aeapon lmao

[ornate jackal]

Lemme show mine too very fun

[bright cloud]

Kn mow and m16 are all better than lk

[rich arch]

Lk recoil is why its popular
Literally anyone can beam with it

[vale lichen]

If i have time, i would argue with you sadly i have to study for tomorrow's exam

[ornate jackal]

Hes not wrong i have a mono short bar build

[rich arch]

Mono on ppsh is only like +10%

[ornate jackal]

Im actually a huge fan of mow and i agree with that, kn being better is debatable, m16 im not getting into that

Especially because you mean wf passive

[bright cloud]

Yeah

[ornate jackal]

I dont see wf excelling past lk in performance for long range in any life

[bright cloud]

Wf passive is heavily taper reliant but its simply more effectove in longer ranges when used correctly

[ornate jackal]

Unless they remove the nerfs to it

[rich arch]

4 tap for 20m in both the first 2 ranges

Holy crap ppsh has infinite 5 tap range.. AS AN SMG

[bright cloud]

No stock?

[rich arch]

With 82 fire rate

[rich arch]

Yes

[bright cloud]

Heidern mentiond that in graph i send

[ornate jackal]

Ppsh has always been good

[rich arch]

Ik

But I didnt realize the range damage was that insane

[ornate jackal]

People just like qq9, cx9 much more

[bright cloud]

Now that that ppsh is out of the way

[ornate jackal]

It was buffed recently

[bright cloud]

Qq9 i would disagree but qq10 and cx9 are really just best smgs

[bright cloud]

Reduced the recoil too

Thats ehy we kinda reccomend it now

[ornate jackal]

I didnt say it was better just that its a more popular smg

[rich arch]

Cx9 sights are so bad I dont like it without the mythix
If I pick up the mythic it is god tier.

[bright cloud]

How are they so bad i find them good(altough no iron is bad for me)

[ornate jackal]

Is hollow round for striker any good

[bright cloud]

Worst skg in the game no question

Cx9 hollow point on the other hand...

[rich arch]

…💀 no

[ornate jackal]

Pharaoh isnt worse?

[rich arch]

Yeah its uniquely good for you

Its sights are the only thing holding it back for most

[bright cloud]

I find no sights bad im straight up alien

[narrow glen]

@bright cloud, 21 Server Rank

[rich arch]

Clearly so

[bright cloud]

Maybe a side effect of green eyes?

[rich arch]

I can cope with some but uh 💀

[bright cloud]

Since light eyes absorb more light

[rich arch]

Mine are a bit green so no

[bright cloud]

I use krig base

[rich arch]

Doesnt change the obstruction of sights 💀

[bright cloud]

Yea some stupid theory i threw

Bit yeah sights dont make a doff to me

[ornate jackal]

Krig?

[bright cloud]

I used base for few months

[ornate jackal]

Mmm

[bright cloud]

What im serious

[rich arch]

Comparison
Look at the visibility difference

[bright cloud]

Didnt even know people thought kr8g had bad irons unt8l people told me so

[ornate jackal]

He doesnt notice it

[bright cloud]

Not muchbin ky eyes

[rich arch]

😀

[bright cloud]

Exactly😂

[rich arch]

ok

[ornate jackal]

Thats good very good, u dont need anything but the base form of a gun to perform better

[rich arch]

Yeah its def a perk

Having another slot on the krig is extremely useful

[rich arch]

Btw how good is this (just hit leggy)

[ornate jackal]

Better than me

I got leggy at like 108 matches

[bright cloud]

Really good. My lazy ass stil hasnt reached gm

[rich arch]

I took ~115 last time so 👍

[ornate jackal]

Played not won idk my wins

[rich arch]

Yeah Ive only played about 3 different days bc of college

[ornate jackal]

Im trying peacekeeper kow

[bright cloud]

K/d is good

[rich arch]

70 matches for thumbs makes me feel a bit better tho esp with over 50% mvps

[rich arch]

Thats the thing im worried about 💀

And although my win ratio is bad I did well on defeats so I still ranked up fast

[severe geyser]

i needed like 130 games

last time

[rich arch]

😭

[severe geyser]

but i was like elite so

[rich arch]

Solution: use ul

[rich arch]

Oh lmau yeah I was master1 to start

[severe geyser]

btw

remember when i wanted to buy that redmagic 9 pro

[rich arch]

Yeah

[severe geyser]

i cant see any subscription’s for data

in the netherlands

somehow its just unknown

[bright cloud]

@rich arch i wamt your opinion on smth

Lil third party opinion