codm-gunsmith-help

[vale lichen]

Skill issue maybe

[low bone]

I mean, that only depends on your skill level

[keen gazelle]

you could say that about basically any gun

[low bone]

It has low damage but it’s semi auto

[keen gazelle]

hypothetically with its ads speed the crossbow is the best one shot

but overall the sks is just good

[low bone]

I very much dislike the Sks iron sight 🤢 it’s hard to get headshots

[narrow glen]

@low bone, 9 Server Rank

[low bone]

Ads isn’t bad tho

[keen gazelle]

it literally has the least obstructive iron sight..

[remote stone]

Amy gunsmith for br

Which can kill fast

[vale lichen]

Bro is on meth for sure

[rich arch]

That sounds like skill issues

Hmmm, anyone got recommendations of an AR gun for master and up?

[tough edge]

hvk

[strong monolith]

Either Grau or FFAR
Both weapons are great in most situations but Grau is better for longer ranges while FFAR is better for closer ranges

[rich arch]

Oh I unlock Grau

[strong monolith]

HVK is also another amazing option if you can manage the small mag

[rich arch]

I been using this other gun a weird looking one

I forgot the name dammit

[rich arch]

Well my aim is kinda bad so probably not

[tough edge]

i went from master5 to grandmaster 2 so fast using the hvk

it's so op i unlocked gold camo while pushing ranked

[rich arch]

Damm wish I was that good oof

[tough edge]

try the hvk

i can give you my loadout

[rich arch]

Yeah I been using the em2

It had a nice feeling when shooting it

My hvk 30 is at level 7 lol

[strong monolith]

EM2 is not bad
But the fire rate will be problematic against SMGs

[rich arch]

That been true

I can get them if I'm wick enough

But like I said I'm not that great idk how I got to master

[strong monolith]

Dw Grau and FFAR don't have such issues

Both are easy to use while being great all rounders

[rich arch]

I see. I do wanna try out the hvk

Hmmm maybe I try all three weapons and see which one I'm comfortable with

[strong monolith]

You need Large Caliber on it tho

[tough edge]

you have to level it to get the op magazine attachement

[rich arch]

Jeezs 50 headshots

[tough edge]

yea

[rich arch]

Guees I go to pubs and have the bots help lol

[tough edge]

3x scope and hardcore mode

ez headshot farm

[ruby iris]

@strong monolith

[rich arch]

For you maybe

My god this is hardee then I thought lol

[strong monolith]

I gave it in #codm-discussion

[low bone]

That’s the problem, it’s kinda difficult to line the headshots up

[rich arch]

I final got the mag

[visual bloom]

what’s a good dingo build

[lean frost]

since when did u get unbanned

[ruby iris]

Recently

[lean frost]

Interesting

Been thinking of getting back in CoDM

[rich arch]

God damm Grau feels great in my hands

I almost got an nuke with it

[strong monolith]

Try this build
Cronen sniper elite
No stock
Archangel barrel
Tac suppressor
60r mag

[rich arch]

Cronen sniper elite?
Is that some perk

[strong monolith]

Rear grip

[rich arch]

Oh

[rich arch]

Okay nsT I just need to unlock the barrel

Neat*

[atomic sonnet]

j

[narrow glen]

@atomic sonnet, 1 Server Rank

[ocean narwhal]

no shit sherlock

uses the most broken and easiest to use gun in codm history damn it feels good

[rich arch]

No need to be rude

[ornate jackal]

Cap

[strong monolith]

If you really hate the iron sights, the AS VAL FMJ is another option since you can run red dots

And plus its better if you don't like playing slow

[ornate jackal]

No sks is cool i just dont think its the best base ironsight weapon

[strong monolith]

Not enough people know about VAL FMJ
There is a reason why it got banned the moment it got buffed

[wintry sequoia]

What's the multiplayer meta these days? It's been a while since I've played the game.

[austere igloo]

Grau, lk, kilo, krig, switchblade, qq9, cx9, krm, hs0, dlq, hdr, locus, deagle

[tiny mulch]

Heyy

[austere igloo]

M13, ak117, ffar, pdw57, rus79, cbr & also pp19

[tiny mulch]

Wrong channel

[austere igloo]

Hi

[tiny mulch]

Heyhey

[austere igloo]

Oh wait, I also forgot to add lmgs

Rpd, holger, chopper…u’know the usual meta lmgs

@wintry sequoia

I’ve given u the meta list, make do with it what u will

[vast horizon]

guys

check this lol

[austere igloo]

???

[strong monolith]

LK
Kilo
Grau
FFAR
PDW
CBR
Switchblade
QQ9
CX9
SKS
AS VAL FMJ
UL736

[vast horizon]

you see what I see?

[austere igloo]

Asval fmj???

[austere igloo]

Crossbow with a scope??

[vast horizon]

suppressor

[strong monolith]

Its basically an SKS that can keep up with the SMG meta
And there is a reason why it got banned the moment it got buffed

[austere igloo]

Oh right

[vast horizon]

mah brother the CROSSBOW has a fkin' suppressor

[austere igloo]

Crossbow’s don’t have suppressor

So…wtf

[strong monolith]

Negative audio fr

[narrow glen]

@strong monolith, 14 Server Rank

[austere igloo]

It is banned??

God damn

Who knew that it’d be so op to the point it got banned

[vast horizon]

sorry about that, I cropped it from my 360p stream (idk why it's 360p)

but still

[hoary lagoon]

pretty recent compared to when it got op

[vast horizon]

the one with 1.5x had both muzzle brake and suppressor at the same time

[austere igloo]

[strong monolith]

So here are some reasons as to why VAL FMJ is so strong

• Significantly faster handling and mobility (its actually ridiculous for a DMR)
• Sniper level wallbang (Can 2 tap through walls)
• Access to red dots
• Same 2 tap consistency as SKS up to ~40m
• Way less recoil than SKS
• Way less flinch than SKS

I'd argue its actually better than SKS in the current state of the game

[manic turtle]

guys i need help building my switchblade

[austere igloo]

Damnnn

[manic turtle]

help me thanks

[vast horizon]

may I get that asval build?

[austere igloo]

I need to give that a try then

[strong monolith]

Tac supp
Extended light barrel
Light stock
Gran/tac laser
Ext mag

[austere igloo]

U got a build for that?

For as val fmj?

[manic turtle]

wow seems legit

[strong monolith]

200mm mid range barrel
Optic
Skeleton stock
FMJ mag
Granulated

[austere igloo]

It is legit

[rich arch]

Ok

[manic turtle]

thanks bruhh let's give it a shot

[vast horizon]

I can replace optic with perk right?

[strong monolith]

You can

Just remember to treat it more like a more aggressive SKS

No more are you limited to just holding long angles

[rich arch]

Is it same controls as a sks ????????

[strong monolith]

You can actually use it to challenge SMGs

[vast horizon]

so I can just hold angle and pushing people?

[strong monolith]

Yep

[vast horizon]

yessir

[strong monolith]

And strafe a lot

[vast horizon]

I luv being a passive aggro player lol

[strong monolith]

Think of how the Holger used to have crazy strafe speed

Its the same thing

[rich arch]

Is it same controls for the sks?

[vast horizon]

like sometimes I can be aggro and sometimes extremely passive

[strong monolith]

With the 15r mag, it is semi auto like SKS

[rich arch]

Oh

[strong monolith]

This thing is so strong that it got banned before it got to see any use

[austere igloo]

My current val build

[ripe turret]

Rpd's signature attachment should be nerfed

[austere igloo]

says this

proceeds to post 3 images of the gun that has nothing to do with prior statement

[ripe turret]

It's a different pic

[austere igloo]

what different pic? U posted 3 pics of the kar98k with the same attachments

[ruby iris]

Blud changed topic at the speed faster than light

[ripe turret]

Those are the only good attachments

[ruby iris]

Reason?

[ripe turret]

Too annoying in camps

[vale lichen]

Skill issue😂

[tawny walrus]

What if I tell this is not only good build?

[ruby iris]

[ripe turret]

You don't even use the kba

[ruby iris]

[tawny walrus]

Oh, really? And on which grounds you made this assumption?

[ruby iris]

I cant fucking

This shit is so fucking

[ripe turret]

On the fact you hardscope

[ruby iris]

[tawny walrus]

From where this assumption came now?

[ripe turret]

Why the ironsights

[ripe turret]

Please spare me the internet intellectual crap

[ruby iris]

"you hardscope lol"
"source?"
"please spare me the internet intellectual crap"

[tawny walrus]

You’re only running from my questions. Pathetic.

[ruby iris]

Mentally slow

[ripe turret]

@ruby iris go breed with the sock you keep under your bed imbred child

[austere igloo]

blud has a kar98 build with no suppression & a visible laser sight

[austere igloo]

[austere igloo]

they want enemies to be attracted to them

[tawny walrus]

You don’t understand - 3% of additional ADS speed! It’s game changing!

[ripe turret]

Pathetic kids with a cartoon phase

[austere igloo]

holy hell

[ruby iris]

Blud couldnt come up with an answer to a question so he resorted to insult a 3rd party

[austere igloo]

And I thought I often gave hot takes

[ruby iris]

[ripe turret]

It's alright you'll grow up out of your phase once your parents stop enabling you lol

[austere igloo]

turns out there're ppl even better with that

[ruby iris]

Cool, but what does that have to do with @tawny walrus hardscoping?

[austere igloo]

literally

"What if I told you your kar98 build isn't the only good one"

and I took that personally

[ruby iris]

You stalk them ingame or some shit?

[ripe turret]

Lay off the insult then, imbred child

[ruby iris]

[austere igloo]

this guy

[ruby iris]

[austere igloo]

I'm just gonna put it out there

[ruby iris]

@undone sandal come look at this shit

[tawny walrus]

He couldn’t defend him once and now he’s still trying to fight back.

[austere igloo]

there's absolutely nothing wrong with hardscoping

[ruby iris]

Internet interaction of the day

[austere igloo]

if you have a problem with this, that's your problem

[ripe turret]

Hey now if you kids need to team up to roast a guy with insults you picked off of the Wikipedia

Then you should just stop

[tawny walrus]

XD

[austere igloo]

I didn't know you can pick insults off of Wikipedia

thanks for letting us know

[ripe turret]

Whatever you teenagers do nowadays

[austere igloo]

[ruby iris]

"wahh, you're inbred for having a fictional character as pfp"
-guy with fictional character as pfp

[austere igloo]

I'm still waiting for an answer on what if your build isn't the best one?

[ruby iris]

[austere igloo]

once you're done "dissing" us

[tawny walrus]

How do you know how old are we?

[austere igloo]

I don't use the kar98 much but even a child could tell you that build of yours, isn't even close to being the best

[undone sandal]

where did it start

[tawny walrus]

^

[ruby iris]

@undone sandal

[austere igloo]

right here @undone sandal

[tawny walrus]

Oh, okay.

[austere igloo]

blud said "rpd's signature attachment should be nerfed" and then posted 3 ctrl+v'd images of his kar98 build

[undone sandal]

lol

this the first time this happened?

them picking fights on others

[austere igloo]

nope

[ruby iris]

Nth time

[tawny walrus]

Of course not.

[austere igloo]

he's done that before

[undone sandal]

wild

[austere igloo]

iirc he posted the same 3 images before & when asked why he posted the 3 same images he responded the same way "those are the only good attachments"

bro is not only ctrl+v'ing images he's ctrl+v'ing responses too

[ruby iris]

Message of the day

[tawny walrus]

And when I asked why is this the only useable build, he just answered that I’m not even using Kilo.

[austere igloo]

logic 101

[austere igloo]

I don't see how hardscoping has got to do with his statements lmao

[tawny walrus]

So do I.

[vale lichen]

[vale lichen]

Shouko can you gib locus build?

[tawny walrus]

• Light suppressor
• Short barrel
• Skeleton stock
• Stippled grip
• FMJ or Stopping power mag

[vale lichen]

Perk?

[tawny walrus]

FMJ is a perk.

[vale lichen]

No operator perk

[tawny walrus]

Oh, it’s up to you. I’m usually running Annihilator for snipers.

[austere igloo]

?

[vale lichen]

Kk

[austere igloo]

u mean operator skill?

[vale lichen]

Yes

I don't know the name of game stuff

[austere igloo]

I just tried the as val fmj

It does look promising, but it’s kinda finicky

Btw, here’s a kar98 build that I wanna use to stoke that guy’s flames

[tawny walrus]

XD.

[austere igloo]

I basically slapped on attachments he never used

[clear tusk]

Anyone have a m13 br build

[austere igloo]

Except the stock maybe

[austere igloo]

Not me, sorry

[tawny walrus]

Let me try.

[worthy grail]

Not running SP on Locus is kind of criminal ngl

[tawny walrus]

I did before and it was fine.

[worthy grail]

Heavy Long Barrel, RDS, Tac Laser, Ranger Foregrip, 60r mag

[tawny walrus]

My friend, who’s maining Locus, don’t use this attachment.

[worthy grail]

That is the attachment that makes the Locus good

[clear tusk]

Thnx

[tawny walrus]

Maybe it is, but he’s hitting all shots and fine without it.

[worthy grail]

Well that’s your opinion and I respect it but surely the choices of world champions or regional champions would be much better to follow

(Literally 100% of comp snipers run SP on Locus)

[worthy grail]

The lack of any shake or recoil fucks my aim up

I would much rather use M67 recoil over that

At least the latter has visual shake which makes it feel better(and the sound is much more manly too)

[rich arch]

Sooooo, you're a bread?? That's the only thing I get from the word "imbred"

[reef lantern]

M16 build?

[narrow glen]

@reef lantern, 26 Server Rank

[tired grove]

OWC Marksman
No stock
Granulated grip tape
39 round extended mag
Wlid fire perk

[ruby iris]

Questionable, but aight

[ruby kraken]

Anyone got a god tier Grau 5.56 build I can use?

[echo gale]

Sure

I have one

[ruby kraken]

Thx

[narrow glen]

@ruby kraken, 5 Server Rank

[echo gale]

Does anyone have a TYPE 25 loadout for br?

[royal dagger]

I think it goes like this:
Short barrel, 5mw laser, merc fg, flash guard/steady stock, stopping power mag

[echo gale]

But is it for br

?

And btw does anyone have a no recoil loadout?

[royal dagger]

Yeah

Mp and br builds for type 25 are different

[wide compass]

Anyone know a better switchblade build then the one I got

[royal dagger]

Change gran to light stock

[tawny isle]

bro got turnt to a smg in the third one 😭

[royal dagger]

You mean the fourth one

Worse bsa than the third, like how smgs should be

[tawny isle]

[wise shore]

Message me if anybody wants to sell me a good gun

[rich arch]

wha?

[wise shore]

In cod mobile you can gift lol

[rich arch]

gift a bp for example

but not a gun 💀

[tawdry vault]

Icr build?

[tawny walrus]

• Integral suppressor barrel
• No stock
• Tactical laser
• 40 fast magazine
• Granulated grip

[tawny isle]

why you still on abt this bro

[simple hinge]

How can I post screens here ? Wanna ask about my build

[ornate jackal]

Its a certain channel but idk what the name is rn so just send in my dm and ill post for u

[tawny isle]

you need to ve rookie im pretty sure to post photos

[simple hinge]

Thnx

[ornate jackal]

U would need to go to #┃server-media-passes

Heres ur pic

[viscid belfry]

as a icr main guy saying thats a bs

[ornate jackal]

^

[honest sedge]

Anyone have a build for em2

[rich arch]

Lol

[carmine maple]

Please someone should share attachment code for sniper fast ads 😔

[patent umbra]

Good Krm build?

[carmine maple]

Yes Please

[patent umbra]

Ise ask for 😦

[carmine maple]

??

[patent umbra]

You have?

[carmine maple]

Nope

[hollow panther]

DL Q33-1B2A4A6A8A

@carmine maple

[carmine maple]

Thanks Bro

[carmine maple]

Thank bro

[rich arch]

Not a problem my G

[undone sandal]

marauder supp
light ext barrel
nostock
5mw
gran tape

[tawdry vault]

By15 build?

[ruby iris]

Marauder
Ext light
Tac laser
No stock
Slug

[royal furnace]

Good gunsmith for zrg

[ruby iris]

Light supp
Light short barrel
Combat stock
Stipple tape
Armor piercing mag

@royal furnace

[austere igloo]

Is this rus build still relevant?

@undone sandal

[dusty heart]

Nice blueprint

Sleight of hand to skeleton stock

[austere igloo]

thanks!

[royal furnace]

Gotha it

[austere igloo]

Lemme guess, because of strafe speed?

But I don’t really like the slow-ass reload of the 38 ext mag though (unless I use the fast ext mag)

[dusty heart]

Any stock should work tbh skeleton stock preferred by most

[austere igloo]

Is this better?

[dusty heart]

Pretty much identical to my build,except I use 50 rnd mag

Ricey go away

[ruby iris]

I'd run marksman, to compete with other flex smgs

And 50r, yes

[ruby iris]

What if i dont?

[dusty heart]

Your jade is mine

[ruby iris]

Fuck you gon do?

Huh?

[dusty heart]

Whatever you call hsr currency

[ruby iris]

[dusty heart]

No topass

Anyways I want that rus blueprint on global

Rus with red dot sounds fire

[ruby iris]

Istg im gonna bomb timi's hq if they dont have the 9mm mag for groza

[dusty heart]

Ew what keep it 7.62

[ruby iris]

Groza is shit in 7.62

Only the early variants uses 7.62

[dusty heart]

Nah you just hate recoil

[ruby iris]

All the later variants uses 9 or 5.45

[ruby iris]

9mm has more recoil

9x39mm subsonic, not 9x19mm parabellum you dumbass

Vss/as val/vsk ammo

[dusty heart]

Oh that makes sense

Be more specific next time

[ruby iris]

No, groza was never chambered in 9x19mm

[undone sandal]

[ruby iris]

So 9mm groza automatically means 9x39mm subsonic

[dusty heart]

Idk I’m not a gun nerd but keep it 7.62 regardless

[ruby iris]

Die

7.62 is a shitass cartridge for cqc urban combat

[minor flare]

Are you guys talking about groza

[dusty heart]

Nah

[ruby iris]

Yes

[minor flare]

Jeez

[minor flare]

That assault rifle is failed project

[ruby iris]

9mm

[dusty heart]

Why is there a third foregrip

Nvm I can’t see

[minor flare]

Is integrated foregrip

[ruby iris]

Also 7.62 looks uncomfortable as shit on groza

[dusty heart]

That’s a mag

Keep it 7.62 regardless

[ruby iris]

Curve mag bullpup

[ruby iris]

Your public execution will be scheduled for tomorrow

[dusty heart]

I prefer private

[minor flare]

The groza Ironsight

[austere igloo]

Isn’t that a bit overkill?

Why not just use pdw or cbr if u want a 50rnd smg

[dusty heart]

Why not just make it a cbr or pdw

[austere igloo]

I feel like 38rnd mag serves me well enough

[austere igloo]

That defeats the entire point of them existing, no?

I personally like pdw more so I’m kinda biased

[undone sandal]

na ur making a pseudo cbr

[austere igloo]

Pseudo cbr? That’s the pdw mate

[undone sandal]

pdw isnt the only gun that plays like cbr

[austere igloo]

Ok…then name me other guns that play like cbr

Besides rus & pdw

@dusty heart how’s this then?

[dusty heart]

Works,flinch tho

[rich arch]

Sleight of hand 💀

[austere igloo]

I don’t see anything wrong with it

Faster reload speed =/= bad

[austere igloo]

I use toughness perk on that loadout

[dusty heart]

Works then

[rich arch]

Use tac laser or strike foregrip or fran or strike grip tape

[austere igloo]

This is my rus loadout

[austere igloo]

Those attachments suck

[ruby iris]

Strike foregrip spotted
Opinion disregarded

[umbral jewel]

switchblade build?? posted in wring chat

[rich arch]

Way better than a perk

[austere igloo]

& there’s no such thing as “strike grip tape”

[rich arch]

Stippled

[austere igloo]

And what proof do u have to back it up

[rich arch]

Mb

[austere igloo]

How do u know the perk is bad without even trying it out?

[ruby iris]

Tac suppressor
Ext light barrel
Light stock
Ext mag
Tac laser/gran tape

[rich arch]

Vertical recoil decrease and bsa imrooved

[austere igloo]

My rus build’s bsa is already good

[rich arch]

Ive used fast reload before idc for it

[rich arch]

Doesnt hurt to improve it more, its an smg after all

[austere igloo]

L

[ruby iris]

2 bullets worth of recoil and basically no bsa at the cost of your strafe nuked

Amazing attachment

[austere igloo]

I see absolutely no downsides with fast reload speed

[ruby iris]

🚮

[rich arch]

Its like 3% movement speed reduction

[dusty heart]

You probably run that on lk

[rich arch]

And theres the grips if you prefer otherwise

[ruby iris]

15% strafe and 1% movement

[rich arch]

Nah

[dusty heart]

Who are you?

[austere igloo]

This is my other rus build

[ruby iris]

I run ranger fg, also nukes mobility, but you actually get something in return

[rich arch]

Someone ig

[rich arch]

Thats alright

[austere igloo]

Unlike rus, lk offers something better to offset the nuked strafe

Stability

[austere igloo]

It’s more than just alright

[ruby iris]

Operator > tac = ranger > merc > strike

[rich arch]

Its solid wtv no need to nitpick 💀

[austere igloo]

U should prolly try out the build first before judging

[umbral jewel]

ok will use

[rich arch]

Ive used that build before

[ruby iris]

Idk why they made grips in codm so bad like

[dusty heart]

Grips are so bad I ignore the underbarrel section

[austere igloo]

Switchblade build

[ruby iris]

It's just a piece of plastic under your handguard

How the fuck is it nuking your mobility?

[rich arch]

Its made for balance not realism

[dusty heart]

Meanwhile on guns with cw gunsmith

[austere igloo]

Also as val fmj is broken ngl

I can see why it’s banned

[ruby iris]

Bo gunsmith doesnt have that problem, they have actually functional and viable grips

[rich arch]

Same reason as sks

[austere igloo]

Except it’s like a better sks

[rich arch]

Every game is different

[undone sandal]

those two
cordite

[austere igloo]

Sks isn’t banned though

[rich arch]

Yeah

And sks has been banned from comp for a long time 💀

[undone sandal]

sks is banned tho

[austere igloo]

Cordite is pretty good but the hit flinch is ughhh

[undone sandal]

[austere igloo]

Sinc when?

[rich arch]

Its been like a year

[austere igloo]

When did I miss that?

Wow

I missed a whole era of comp play

[rich arch]

Yeah

[elder python]

Let's be real sks is pretty dam good for anyone 4 fingers and up

[austere igloo]

I wanna use cordite but the hit flinch on it turns me away

[undone sandal]

long time ago

[austere igloo]

I’m 3 finger though

[ruby iris]

It's the same game
-30% horizontal recoil, no penalty
-7.8% vertical recoil and -4.4% bsa, -15% strafe speed and 1% movement

[rich arch]

Yup

[elder python]

and if you know how to track well its even better

[austere igloo]

Mhmm

[rich arch]

Best weapon in the game for claw players and a high skill level

[undone sandal]

it was during the time when tec kilo was popular

ranger fg

[austere igloo]

Damn I gotta catch up on that

[rich arch]

Theyre both cods yes but different cods

[austere igloo]

Tec kilo?

[undone sandal]

tectonic kilo

[austere igloo]

What’s that?

[undone sandal]

tac supp
ext barrel
long shot
ranger fg
mag b

[austere igloo]

Oh

[elder python]

Also pistols are underated 1 shot to head is unbelievably nice for higher level players who play claw and can hit headshots

[rich arch]

You dont need claw for pistols

[austere igloo]

Me who uses j358 on 3 finger hud

[elder python]

Nah but on claw its very easy

[rich arch]

Ive maines the deagle since release and j358 post-buff is on par

[austere igloo]

J358 is underrated ngl

It’s a good alt for the deagle

[elder python]

With 5 fingers I can hit pistol headshots consistently

[rich arch]

That goes for gameplay as a whole, besides very claw-specific things you can say claw for everything

[austere igloo]

But I also like lcar

[rich arch]

Yeah and its getting buffed again

[austere igloo]

I don’t even need to ads with lcar

[rich arch]

Same, dobvra but less recoil

[austere igloo]

Just hipfire all the way

[austere igloo]

& hipfire king

Literal pocket smg

I don’t really like the dobvra tbh

[rich arch]

Right hipfire was pretty sweet

[elder python]

I played free fire for a while and my pistol headshot accuracy was crazy it kinda carried over

[rich arch]

With sync ads its godly

[austere igloo]

It’s not that, but the bv

[rich arch]

Doesnt free fire have weak recoil

[rich arch]

Bv?

[austere igloo]

Bullet velocity

Dobvra is the only pistol to have bv

[rich arch]

Never noticed it

[elder python]

Yes but recoil doesn't matter so much if you kill on first shot to head

[austere igloo]

💀

All the other pistols are hit scan

[rich arch]

Yeah if you miss shots much then pre buff j358 was mid

[austere igloo]

Only dobvra isn’t

[elder python]

Oh for sure

[austere igloo]

Missing j358 shots is pain

I hate when that happens

[rich arch]

Ive never had issues with bullet velocity besides the really slow ones, I.e. oden with supersonic ammo and formerly cx9

[elder python]

if your ever haveing a rough day don't play a pistol for headshots

[austere igloo]

Oden with subsonic ammo ewww🤢🤢

[rich arch]

Yeah deagle feels better so I keep that, plus its diamond

[austere igloo]

Oh I have diamond for both

[rich arch]

Its fun for increasing two tap range but not worth the penalties

[austere igloo]

But I still prefer using fluorescence on it

[austere igloo]

Not worth at all

[ruby iris]

Open codm
Check BO foregrip on the ffar
Then check strike foregrip on uhh, m13
Same game, different balancing

The balancing team should be fired ngl

[rich arch]

You do know theres like 2 or 3 different main systems for attachments in codm right

[ruby iris]

That's what im talking about, one system is clearly better than the other

[rich arch]

M13 has the standard ones like most, ffar shares the secondary system like peacekeeper (the ar)

[ruby iris]

[rich arch]

Yeah they change it based on the weapon, ig if one would be under or overpowered for it

[rich arch]

Yes ofc

Unless youre really good at predicting

[bright dragon]

So what makes the type25 not good? I started playing with it and it has an 86 on fire rate right there with the M13 and FFAR but not of those guns only have 24 damage where the type25 can get to 28 damage while keeping that high fire rate.

[rich arch]

Its amazing, especially with stopping power but most people can’t handle the recoil or sights

[bright dragon]

The type25 I feel has been around in so many COD games that if you used it in those you would be used to the sights. I’ve always used it with just the irons.

[bright dragon]

Do you have a build for it? I’m probably not using the most optimal one

[rich arch]

Other games are irrelevant, ive only played codm and theyre fine

[elder python]

Ima be honest if a special sights type 25 that I actually liked came out I would maybe use it over my ffar

[rich arch]

Yes the stock is a surprisingly key factor

[elder python]

but mythic ffar is just built dif

[rich arch]

The green and black one is perfect, use a rds if not

Oh you pay for mythics 💀 ofc thats better then

[elder python]

Nah I don't like it

[bright dragon]

This is what I have

[rich arch]

Similar to mine

[elder python]

Mythics might be the only worth purchases as far as guns go

[rich arch]

Not given the price but eh

[bright dragon]

I could get more mobility at the cost of accuracy. The type25 irons don’t both me because I’ve used this gun in the other games and it’s the same irons across all games

[rich arch]

That should work fine tbh

[elder python]

Well they pretty much carry and you can put them out for your team to use if your team is trash

[narrow glen]

@elder python, 16 Server Rank

[rich arch]

Its a versatile gun, this is my preferred build as its practically an smg

[rich arch]

Yeah but its over $100 for a game. Personally not a choice id make

[elder python]

Yea I tried using that skin for a while cuz it actually looks clean but it just wasn't doing it for me

300

[rich arch]

Fair enough theres always red dot sights if not

[bright dragon]

Not bad, how come no suppressor? I feel everyone here says without a suppressor the gun isn’t good

[rich arch]

To max out but $130 to obtain

[elder python]

Yea

[rich arch]

Thats pretty common, ive never felt like a suppressor helps me unless I really need range or stealth. If its what works for you then go for it though

[narrow glen]

@rich arch, 16 Server Rank

[elder python]

No suppressor needed unless you play snd with people like me

And even then tbh it won't help so much

[rich arch]

Yeah I main tdm
I do fine in snd without though

[elder python]

Its one of those attachments you have to really consider

[rich arch]

Mostly it depends on if youre a camper or not

[elder python]

If you play angles or take precautions or even nasty head peeks then def suppressor

[rich arch]

Im usually on the move, not many people find me after a kill and if so its generally just time saved that I wouldve spent looking for them so I can kill em

[rich arch]

Yeah any slower or stealthier playstyle might be more suited to it

I just take unexpected routes then rush into the enemy’s weak spot, works like a charm

[elder python]

I only run suppressor if I know I'm going against good players who want to win and will play however slow they need to win

[rich arch]

Fair

[ruby iris]

Not having a suppressor = giving an enemy an advanced uav of your location every time you shoot

[rich arch]

I just use ul for that

[ruby iris]

I'd rather not

[rich arch]

Never had an issue with it

Just kill them or move

[ruby iris]

What rank?

[rich arch]

Legendary

[ruby iris]

Points?

[rich arch]

I havent played much this season like 8500

[elder python]

This is why I use suppressor only if I know the enemy will play nasty to win head peekers campers crawlers

[ruby iris]

Supp is mandatory like 12k+

[elder python]

Peekers

[ruby iris]

I always run supp

[elder python]

Fs

[ruby iris]

And play like a rat

[elder python]

Damn

bro lives on the head peek

[ruby iris]

Headglitching, corner camping, wallbanging

[rich arch]

Too much playtime ugh and its just campers at that point

Gets boring and toxic and I dont have time for it

[ruby iris]

More effective than running around like a headless chicken

[rich arch]

This headless chicken gets good killstreaks sheesh

[ruby iris]

I left that playstyle behind a year or 2 ago

[rich arch]

Good for you

[ruby iris]

🚮

[rich arch]

🗑️

Some people prefer to play games for fun believe it or not

[ruby iris]

Running around isnt fun

[hollow panther]

Quite possibly the most fun thing

[rich arch]

Lmao it makes the game fast paced and gets the adrenaline of razor sharp reaction time and movement

Sitting in a corner waiting for someone to walk by with sights aimed down is a bore after 10 seconds

[ruby iris]

Adhd moment

[rich arch]

Skilled player moment

[ruby iris]

Camping is more fun

Learning angles and shits

[rich arch]

Thats nothing special, use map knowledge to surprise the enemy instead

[austere igloo]

I like both

Camping & running

Though I lean more on the camping side (I’m a passive player)

[austere igloo]

Running around like a monkey doesn’t exactly do one favors if u ask me

I don’t care abt adrenaline rush or that nonsense, but holding at an angle & being able to spawn trap is nice

That being said, it’s fun to run with the pack sometimes

[rich arch]

Yeah use your brain while rushing and problem is solved

[rich arch]

My teammates are usually braindead 💀

[austere igloo]

I do, but it hurts my brain

[rich arch]

🗿

[austere igloo]

In the event I get competent ones I run with them

Otherwise, nah, I can sit out the rush

U guys can go feed the enemy for all I care

[rich arch]

I only get good teammates if im playing with friends

[austere igloo]

I don’t play the game to make my head hurt

[rich arch]

You can have a good kd while rushing if you have good aim and movement and reaction speed

If you look at some of the best players, the really aggressive ones shine, like vague

[austere igloo]

Not if the enemy has that too, & does it better

[rich arch]

Then do better than them or trick them

[austere igloo]

Well…I’m not an iPad/claw player

[rich arch]

Neither am I

[austere igloo]

Just a mere 3 finger player

[rich arch]

Thumbs for me 🗿

[austere igloo]

I’m not a fanatic with the movements & fancy tricks like them iPad users

I’m not some quickscoping god

[rich arch]

Im thumbs on phone and do fine

[austere igloo]

Meanwhile those mfs run around with a fucking sniper & quickscope like it’s Tuesday for them

[ruby iris]

Tectonic

[rich arch]

Quickscoping is easy with a little practice

[ruby iris]

Commit turtle

Slow is smooth
Smooth is fast

[rich arch]

I dont even snipe and can still beat most 💀

[rich arch]

All depends on skill level

Headless chickens suck and campers suck, strategy is what wins

[austere igloo]

Truer words have never been spoken

Ppl always say I camp but in reality I don’t stay in 1 spot & spray & pray

I move around to diff positions & hold there

There’s a diff between being passive & hunkering down in 1 corner

[rich arch]

Yep I respect the difference

[austere igloo]

Also…lol

[rich arch]

Just got that today too

[austere igloo]

This looks like the kids’ christmas toy

[rich arch]

Lol looks funny with diamond though
Too lazy to get gold nail gun for the damascus tho

[austere igloo]

I don't even have gold m249

nor have I gotten gold for the nailgun

I still need headshots for it

[rich arch]

Me either but it slams—in one of my first matches with it I aced and got a triple kill

[austere igloo]

nice

[rich arch]

Its stats are mid but it works beautifully if you build it right, literally an smg with lmg power

[rotund jetty]

Hi

[ornate jackal]

Bros cookin

[austere igloo]

it sucks that the m249 has very little reserve ammo

like, wtf

100 rounds reserve for 100 round mag?

[rich arch]

I use vulture 🗿

[ornate jackal]

Bruen bottom 3 lmgs

[rich arch]

Oh

[rich arch]

You arent building it right then

[austere igloo]

Idk, dingo is pretty on par with it for being mid

[rich arch]

One of my favorite guns already

[austere igloo]

I will stick to my pkm, thank u very much

[rich arch]

Pkm is nice just too slow

[ornate jackal]

Dingo is in bottom 3

[austere igloo]

no thank u to the m249

[ornate jackal]

[austere igloo]

doesn't really matter, pkm isn't meant to be a fast weapon

[rich arch]

Yall need a better build fs

[ornate jackal]

U arent building it right then

[austere igloo]

not really

[rich arch]

Ive built it slow and fast and done well with it, just too slow

[austere igloo]

I built pkm like how it's supposed to be

[rich arch]

Yeah 💀

[austere igloo]

not a fast aggro weapon, but a hunker-down-and-spray build

if u want an aggro lmg just use the holger

[tawdry vault]

Being able to just slowly mow down enemies "No Russian" style will always be cool asf

[ornate jackal]

I built it like pray instead of spray

[austere igloo]

I make rpd users cry with this

[austere igloo]

[ornate jackal]

Just use disable fr

[austere igloo]

it's reload speed is pretty dogshit though (I know it's an lmg but still)

[ornate jackal]

What else is even bottom 3

[tawdry vault]

Rpd?

[austere igloo]

hades?

m4lmg?

[tawdry vault]

M4lmg mid asf

[rich arch]

Lol it doesn't work against me

Rushing me down on my spot yeah I'd say this is the way to annoy me

[austere igloo]

I don't always use pkm, but when I do, it's for laughs

but if u camp u bet yr ass I'm giving u a taste of yr own medicine

[austere igloo]

I will annoy u

[rich arch]

So funny doing that in Nuketown lol

This works amazingly, if you want a red dot then it can work in place of the grip tape or barrel

how to get zero recoil in guns ?

[rich arch]

By a very slow build or a no recoil gun 💀

Sync ads to fov setting also helps a lot

[tawny isle]

learn the recoil pattern than move your finger the opposite direction

in builds try to reduce lateral recoil over vertical

[narrow glen]

@tawny isle, 26 Server Rank

[tawny isle]

yay

[modern zodiac]

Any good gonsmeth for icr?

[rich arch]

Marksman barrel, no stock, 50 round mag, tac laser, and rds are what id use but its so versatile just play around

Taking people’s builds really isn’t useful since everyone plays differently

[austere igloo]

Use the LK24

[austere igloo]

I got one

[austere igloo]

Without suppression this is concerning

I’m guessing u don’t play snd

[rich arch]

I main tdm

[rich arch]

I forgot it had that barrel

If im rushing with it its the best barrel fs

[austere igloo]

well, Idk bout u...but I don't want enemies to be attracted to my location

I refuse to be a magnet for a full squad

[rich arch]

As ive said I either kill them or am already gone

[austere igloo]

it doesn't always work out that way

[rich arch]

For me yeah and if not the risk makes jt all the more fun

[austere igloo]

in legendary?

[rich arch]

My tactics are just odd

[rich arch]

Yup

[austere igloo]

u should come to garena

what are u doing in global?

[rich arch]

Ahh now thats a different story 💀 shotguns everywhere

[austere igloo]

u are worthy of being garena tier

[rich arch]

Im trash with shotguns

[austere igloo]

not if u can kill them first

[rich arch]

Garena players legit scare me 💀💀💀

[austere igloo]

u just said "I kill them or I'm gone" so why suddenly 180 yr stance?

[austere igloo]

so I scare u?

[rich arch]

Shotguns invalidate my builds 💀

[austere igloo]

[rich arch]

Sob

[austere igloo]

I'm from garena but I don't use shotguns

I hate them too

[rich arch]

Seems to be a really common thing there

Only shotgun im good with is echo so eh

[austere igloo]

yea esp if u play snd

[austere igloo]

echo

ppl here don't use auto shotguns

[rich arch]

I only play snd with friends, im forced to play slow paced

[austere igloo]

but if they did, they use jak12

[rich arch]

Oh ik, echo is rarely used ever

[austere igloo]

r9-0 is not bad tbh

[rich arch]

Its so underrated with that christmas skin it has great 1-2 tap range

[austere igloo]

but ppl just don't like the 2 shot racking

[rich arch]

Its great I just dont like it

[austere igloo]

personally I like r9-0

better than the auto shotguns

auto shotguns are cancer

[rich arch]

True

I just can’t hipfire well with thumbs and auto shotguns perform best in ads

[austere igloo]

I set my default shotgun firing mode to ads

so I ads with pretty much all shotguns

[rich arch]

Ah

Maybe im just bad with them

[austere igloo]

though I have the hipfire button next to the aimdown button

so I just use that to hipfire with shotguns

[rich arch]

Mines between my main fire button and guns

Only good in a hurry

I’ll stick to my smg-build ars tho lol

[drowsy junco]

any for the val?

[strong monolith]

LK be like: Oh I'm getting shot? How bout I kill you anyway because I have no flinch

[rich arch]

Gotta love the lk

[strong monolith]

It just can't be stopped

And ppl still use AK/M4

[rich arch]

Ak47 is long outdated, if you mean ak117 that makes sense but m4 is just for people who can’t aim

[strong monolith]

AK117 I can get behind even though it isn't exactly the best AR
But AK-47 and M4 is wild

[rich arch]

Fs

I still main the ak117 in br bc I use the lk so much in mp its nice to have a switch

Though the s36 is looking to be even better

[strong monolith]

S36 is pretty much the best ranged primary

Outguns SMGs up close and kills faster than every full auto at long range

[rich arch]

And that ammo

[strong monolith]

My main would probably be M13 or LK tho

Yes, I main the best ARs
Fight me

[rich arch]

I main those in mp lol

Since the nerf to the lk’s bsa I can’t run it as fast though unless I take off the red dot, so its not as fun

[strong monolith]

Another very much overrated AR I see in BR is Grau

Ppl actually think its good for some reason

Kilo is even worse

[rich arch]

I tried it in br and its good bc of the sights and bullet velocity

It handles a scope with nope recoil as well

Still not the best, and kilo is mid

[strong monolith]

Its perfectly useable sure
But that long range TTK is deal breaker

[rich arch]

Yeah its just easy to handle yk

Then I used the ak and dropped it lol

[strong monolith]

I tried Grau once and immediately swapped back to LK

[rich arch]

Most people just dont try things tbh they look at yt and play what they see

[strong monolith]

Half the time I was like "God I wish I was using the LK"

[strong monolith]

I have shown ppl this chart showing why the Kilo is bad and they were like "It doesn't work like that in game"

[rich arch]

Theyre just stupid

Unless theyre the ones with mythic kilos

That sight is so unfair

[strong monolith]

Kilo's long range TTK is so bad that I had to increase the max TTK value on the chart

[rich arch]

Lmaoo

Imma try to use this

[strong monolith]

You can switch fg for strike stock

You don't need that much recoil reduction

[rich arch]

Better bsa too I take so few short range fights in br that idm the ads speed penalty

[strong monolith]

Then there is M4LMG
Its max TTK is not even on the chart

[rich arch]

I mean this is my mp build lol

[strong monolith]

The reduced flinch from stock is very useful

[rich arch]

True

[rich arch]

It’s outclassed so much who would bother with it

[strong monolith]

There is a concerning number of ppl who think its the best LMG

[rich arch]

It has 3 tap potential thats its only plus

Youll only see that useful in mp

[clever adder]

Nah

[strong monolith]

I can never forgive PTS for saying its good

[clever adder]

That only works when u get a headshot

[strong monolith]

Actually I cannot forgive him for a lot of things

[clever adder]

If you dont get that headshot you’re getting out gunned 9/10 times

[rich arch]

Hes rarely right imo

[rich arch]

Yeah its 3 tap range is very short—gotta run it as an ar not an lmg

[strong monolith]

It is kinda possible to 3 tap by landing 2 chest shots
But its like Krig's 3 tap potential, only happens on a blue moon

[rich arch]

The ul is so much better

[strong monolith]

I blame him for the number of ppl believing that guns like M4LMG, KRM, and AK-47 are good

[rich arch]

Krm is alright at least but eh hes outdated

[clever adder]

I feel like not much ppl hit that 3 shot without the mythic imo

[strong monolith]

Even with Mythic, its not guaranteed since arms block the chest

[rich arch]

True

Shouldnt the ul be op in br

[clever adder]

I dont play much br anymore but I think lmgs on a whole are hardly used by people

[rich arch]

Ik the s36 is good but the ul is so cracked in mp due to its range seems like thatd carry over to br

[clever adder]

ppl dont like change the ul could be a top gun in mp but no one uses it

[strong monolith]

It has a different dmg profile in BR, doing 25 up to infinity
But that means that the combined TTK is 970ms regardless of distance
Which is slightly slower than S36
While being less consistent

[rich arch]

Pretty stupid tbf, ul outguns all 3 tap ars and most lmgs

[rich arch]

True

I’ll just try em out a bit bc why not

[clever adder]

Im surprised no one uses the lk anymore after the nerf even tho it’s still good

[rich arch]

No one thinks to change their build 💀

Took me like a week to get it right but its still top ten with the right build

[clever adder]

exactly same thing with the hvk after the mag nerf not much people use it

It’s still annoying tho💀

[strong monolith]

The comp build was completely unaffected since it is a BSA stack build

[rich arch]

Yeah the recoil is what trips me up

[rich arch]

Yeah i built mine like an smg lol no stock and suppressor barrel killed the bsa

[clever adder]

The current meta is odd ngl im seeing ppl using the msmc and shitting on everyone with it

Then I see people use the qxr

[rich arch]

Both are mid

Msmc has awful recoil too the qxr just has bad range

[terse cobalt]

@rich arch @vale lichen you see that other spawn corridor?

[clever adder]

Yeah I tried using it and gave up halfway thru the match

[terse cobalt]

I literally take out ppl that far

[clever adder]

Actually I think the bk57 is a nice out of meta option

[terse cobalt]

in br, it's farther, you need to learn your FOV or reduce it

[rich arch]

Me too zoom just helps for me
To each their own

[clever adder]

It’s not anything good but it’s not bad either with the special mag

[rich arch]

3x on oden just kills the recoil so I use ironsights

[rich arch]

Yup I used it for a while last season

[terse cobalt]

Oden doesn't even have recoil to begin with lol

[rich arch]

Hard vertical kick

At like 300m its annoying

[terse cobalt]

I should clip my Oden shots...

[rich arch]

GL

[strong monolith]

Why use Oden when we have S36?
Real talk

[terse cobalt]

uhhhh

[rich arch]

Oden hits for that crazy 70+ on head

Kills a full armor player in 3 or 4 shots

[strong monolith]

Its rare to get that many headshots to begin with

[rich arch]

Nah its really easy in mid ranges if youve practiced with it

[strong monolith]

And then we have S36 with similar TTK, less recoil, bigger mag, more consistent multipliers, and way faster fire rate

[rich arch]

Im starting on the s36 now as well

I test stuff a lot before switching

[strong monolith]

This is what the TTK of S36 looks like compared to Oden
While yes it may look like Oden does better, there is a pretty big caveat
Oden requires you to hit chest shots
S36 doesn't

[rich arch]

Oden is like 80% chance to hit chest or higher is the thing

[strong monolith]

Also S36 is a lot more forgiving because of the fire rate

[rich arch]

For me at least, a lot depends on the player

[strong monolith]

You have to hit multiple chest shots which is the problem
This TTK is around 60/40
S36 is 100% guaranteed

[vale lichen]

No

[terse cobalt]

[rich arch]

Yeah I havent used the s36 in br since 2022 so I gotta use it more to say for sure

[strong monolith]

With Oden, you gotta be pretty accurate because slow fire rate + reliance on chest shots
S36 does not have that
So its less effort for same rewards

[rich arch]

Been using the oden off and on since its release so im a lot more familiar with it

[terse cobalt]

not u guys pulling the graphs

[rich arch]

Im cracked with the oden

Carried me through the champs earlier this year

[strong monolith]

God forbid I come prepared

[rich arch]

Nice to see someone else statistical tbh instead of just “good gun it better” ngl

[strong monolith]

Aye as a writer for SoD, its kinda my job to be like that

[rich arch]

SoD?

[strong monolith]

You watch path vids yeah?

[rich arch]

Not familiar with it

[terse cobalt]

good gun it better.

[rich arch]

Me with hbra3 fr

[clever adder]

Nah what about jus use whatever gun feels nice

[strong monolith]

There is a channel called path.exe
Stats channel
I am the script writer there

[rich arch]

Ohh him

[clever adder]

[rich arch]

Thats awesome

[terse cobalt]

that's js it

[rich arch]

I write too but just short stories

[rich arch]

M13 and hbra3 supremacy then

[terse cobalt]

still haven't used the PDW since buff

[strong monolith]

Missing out fr

[rich arch]

Its really fun and satisfying def try it

And if you started the game using pda with that zombie gene skin then that nostalgia hits hard

[clever adder]

I hardly see the pdw in ranked it’s the same if not better than the cbr

[rich arch]

Fr its so underrated

[terse cobalt]

how do u hardly see the pdw

[strong monolith]

Everyone is just using Grau rn

[terse cobalt]

yea yea It's Grau

[clever adder]

Idk no one uses it all I see is the grau or hvk

[terse cobalt]

buh The PDW

[strong monolith]

Wait till they find out about AS VAL with 15r mag

[terse cobalt]

I almost forgor, the HVk was cracked again when I used it this month

[clever adder]

Im more of an amax kinda guy fr

[rich arch]

Yeah fastest 3 tap and even 2 tap head

Ak is gonna two tap head as well next season can’t wait

[clever adder]

The hvk paired with a head glitch map is definitely something

[clever adder]

Mp or br?

[rich arch]

Mp

[clever adder]

Can finally put that frostband skin to use

[rich arch]

Going up from a 1.2x head multiplier to a 1.7x

[clever adder]

I got it in the crate and never use it

[rich arch]

Gosh its great now though

Its the best 3 tap weapon imo

[clever adder]

I mainly use the smgs in mp or the hvk and bk

[rich arch]

Try the drh since it got its 25 rd otm mag buffed

Its getting a free legendary from the kurohana crate too

[clever adder]

Oh yeah I forgot about that I used to love using that

[rich arch]

Its sights are just perfect

[clever adder]

The drh was pretty fun to use

[rich arch]

Def try it again its solid asf and if you can unlock the kurohana crate then you’ll get its legendary skin

[clever adder]

I’ll see how it goes been looking for an ar to use

I tried the grau but stopped using after a while

[rich arch]

Same

[clever adder]

It’s bland if that’s a correct term to use

[rich arch]

Def try the drh or if you dont like it maybe the type or m13

[rich arch]

Sounds right

[clever adder]

It’s just like the original cbr meta no downside even if u miss a bunch of shots u can still get the kill

[rich arch]

Fr its wild, I kinda hate that it got added ngl

Its just not the funnest gun and it can counter everything

[clever adder]

Yeah I usually not take long range fights against them mid and close range u can get it with the hvk

Close range the qq9 wins most of the time for me

[rich arch]

In close range its mid yeah

[pulsar cloud]

Someone recommend me a rod build?

[tawdry vault]

You mean rpd?

[unreal gale]

I thought cbr was the funnest gun

[rich arch]

Its just a meta weapon

[unreal gale]

so?

switchblade is also meta. it's also fun

Grau is meta, and it's fun

[tawdry vault]

M4 is fun

[unreal gale]

in general, SMG metas are more fun than AR metas

even though I'm a AR main lol

[rich arch]

A lot of people just say meta is whats fun thats what I meant

[unreal gale]

I kinda agree with that, unless the meta is some bs gun like ksp

or na45, or akimbo fennecs

any standard smg or ar meta is fun.

[rich arch]

True, though ngl I love the ksp lol I just miss too much. Now the chicom is fun asf despite being mid

[vestal rampart]

Meta is fun but slapping meta with something unexpected 🤌

[rich arch]

Frfr

[austere igloo]

Slapping meta users with off-meta is more satisfying

Fighting fire with fire doesn’t make the fire go out

[unreal gale]

slapping good players with meta is the most satisfying

who cares what you used and who you killed if they're trash anyway

[austere igloo]

What if those “good players” also use meta