codm-gunsmith-help

[stray rapids]

No

[whole moss]

trash burn

[uneven anchor]

Better recoil

[jade rover]

I have Kilo mythic

[paper spade]

-Pk, ak117 bizon,maddox mono,m13,
-Hvk kilo m16 lk
-Hvk krig kn m13 ak117
-Em2 ak47
-Cbr qxr rus
-Rpd chopper Holger
-Hades Holger ul

Fennec, Maddox Echo, GKS, Pharo, ODEN, SKS

[whole moss]

tomoko walking L

[stray rapids]

The W in kizel stands for winner

[rich arch]

smeggs

[paper spade]

Some of these categories have 5 guns

[lean frost]

Now buy Bk57 space race

[uneven anchor]

it just has krig rpm so
dies

[jade rover]

Is it worth it

[paper spade]

Is it possible to cut them to 4 guns tops @stray rapids

[whole moss]

thank you for the suggestion

[paper spade]

Or is it fine if I post with 5?

[whole moss]

bk57 sucks ass

[jade rover]

Thx kize

[whole moss]

12 shot ttk omega gay

[lean frost]

You suck*

[rich arch]

i can insert it in your ass tho

[whole moss]

don't spend money on cringe guns

[dusty heart]

Y’all suck

[uneven anchor]

well lucky you

[rich arch]

[lean frost]

No
That's what Val does

[whole moss]

you literally died first minute

[rich arch]

thanks no need to remind me

[whole moss]

[jade rover]

No but I mean that makes BK57 not worth no?

[uneven anchor]

Nah krig bettr

[jade rover]

Is there any advatangw of BK to kilo mythics

[whole moss]

AYO?

[dusty heart]

When?

[jade rover]

HUH

[whole moss]

i don't remember actually

[lean frost]

Does BK have a mythic

[uneven anchor]

HUH ???

[jade rover]

No

[stray rapids]

I dunno what to do now tbh

[whole moss]

🍑

[jade rover]

But I wanna know if BK57 is actually good

[lean frost]

They gave all the shit guns mythics why not bk smh

[jade rover]

If I already have kilo mythic is it pointless

[stray rapids]

Go ask someone like @ruby iris to help

[whole moss]

BK57 is ass 👍

[paper spade]

@ruby iris help pls

[stray rapids]

Definitely not ogaed on this kinda stuff

[uneven anchor]

Bk mid 👍

[stray rapids]

He'll just say ak117 competes with kilo

[rich arch]

best taper

[jade rover]

What’s taper

[whole moss]

bk57 🍑

[lean frost]

Bk57 statistically is better than Kilo
Shity recoil

[whole moss]

how many taps it takes to kill essentially

[rich arch]

shots before bsa becomes bad

[lean frost]

1v1

[whole moss]

bk57 is a 12 taper

[paper spade]

Taper is the number of shots before bsa gets worse

[jade rover]

Gotcha

[whole moss]

sure

[stray rapids]

Kilo is only good with mythic

[whole moss]

we haven't done one in awhile

[uneven anchor]

rpm mfs

[stray rapids]

And no, bk is not statically better than kilo

[rich arch]

that's cuz you waste 12 shots just to kill 1 player

[stray rapids]

Mfw main ar has 6.5 bsa

[rich arch]

[whole moss]

🍑🔥

[jade rover]

Make it Keize

[lean frost]

I forgot about that
nevermindus

[jade rover]

That looks cool

[stray rapids]

Worst in class

[rich arch]

play within taper real

[paper spade]

@stray rapids is there anyone else I could ask?

[whole moss]

No

Wait for new pfp then

[paper spade]

I’d just like a list so I can produce it and be done

[jade rover]

Kizel sounds like a gardening tool

[whole moss]

anyway, just me or cordite kinda gigachad

[undone sandal]

specifically
taper is the number of bullets before it reaches max spread

[paper spade]

This feels like too much for nothing

[jade rover]

Thx

[undone sandal]

iirc

[rich arch]

real

[stray rapids]

Malphas in cyg server is reliable

[whole moss]

Real

[uneven anchor]

brain expand

[stray rapids]

The most reliable there now actually

[jade rover]

KizeChief pog

[paper spade]

Also @jade rover we tested and you were wrong about bv. It rounds down to 0 frames in the first bv value then it resumes at 2 and 3 and so on ceiling to the next frame

[uneven anchor]

where do i find taper stats

[jade rover]

Like kaiser chief

[paper spade]

My charts are accurate to the game tick

[whole moss]

I'll change it when i get new pfp smh arap

[uneven anchor]

Common Ara Ara L

[stray rapids]

Foking nerds

[jade rover]

Could you explain?

[whole moss]

Fucking arap

[undone sandal]

ye first bv range is always hitscan

[humble elbow]

man

[jade rover]

None of my maths was wrong

[whole moss]

@jade rover br?

[jade rover]

Perhaps there’s an assumption I made about how the server works

[lean frost]

You conduct science experiments in a underground firing range located near a hydrological power plant near the sea

[uneven anchor]

denies reality

[undone sandal]

1st range hitscan
2nd range 2f
3rd range 3f
etc

[whole moss]

@uneven anchor get this leggy you won't

[humble elbow]

bro no it’s ass 💀

do not

[whole moss]

yes i know

[paper spade]

You said it was a binomial distribution which is completely incorrect and a misconception because sometimes lag causes damage to be applied at 84ms intervals.

[uneven anchor]

Looks like a scam but i kinda want to

[austere igloo]

Oh great, how do I go abt this

[humble elbow]

save yourself

[jade rover]

Oh right that

[uneven anchor]

thanks cougar

[whole moss]

or maybe save for the king agr durandal

[jade rover]

I thought you meant my frame rounding calculator

[stray rapids]

@austere igloo @undone sandal les br

[rich arch]

use fast firerate with max hipfire

[paper spade]

This is my chart

[jade rover]

That’s solid ^

[humble elbow]

see now that is beautiful

[paper spade]

It’s accurate to the game tick

[stray rapids]

You're counting on 3sk m16 right

[paper spade]

No frames don’t round below or above it’s not a binomial distribution

[undone sandal]

[austere igloo]

K

[jagged lotus]

Anyone got a good mx9 build

[narrow glen]

@jagged lotus, 6

[paper spade]

It counts both the fastest and slowest ttk. Look at the error bars

Without headshots

[jade rover]

Frames are discrete though they must round

[paper spade]

Obviously

[uneven anchor]

m16 recoil nerf

[austere igloo]

Join lobby @stray rapids

[whole moss]

agr

[uneven anchor]

But Lk stay winning

[stray rapids]

Wheres error bar again

[whole moss]

anyway i gtg

[rich arch]

ez mastery

[whole moss]

stay losing bozo

[jade rover]

I did mention this!

[paper spade]

Like above the points

[whole moss]

[jade rover]

83.333

[whole moss]

I'll be back in 12 hours

[paper spade]

No you were just wrong

[jade rover]

No

[rich arch]

i beat cbr slaves with agr

[austere igloo]

Ur not gonna invite tych? @stray rapids

[whole moss]

tell herbo he sucks at the game

[jade rover]

How

[rich arch]

AGR>>>

[whole moss]

ok bye now

[lean frost]

[uneven anchor]

bye

[stray rapids]

He's not online

[jade rover]

If there’s empirical evidence then sure

[austere igloo]

Rip

[jade rover]

But explain what it showed

[uneven anchor]

Just admit it, ara L

[paper spade]

You said it’s a binomial distribution and rounds. That’s a misconception caused by ping. You said that was entirely what bv is. The problem is everything in the game is capable of having lag so in a perfect scenario we only count the game ticks.

So you are extremely wrong

Now you’re just grasping for straws

[jade rover]

Did I say binomial distribution?

[paper spade]

Yes

[jade rover]

I didn’t because I know what a binomial distribution is and you don’t

[paper spade]

It only sounds to the next highest frame then is added to ttk

So you haven’t completed highschool level math?

[jade rover]

Physics at university

[paper spade]

You would not be able to be in physics without knowing basic statistics

At least not past year two

[jade rover]

You literally said this

[paper spade]

The other day I asked here and another guy said it was a statistical distribution and mentioned you by name

I asked you and you agreed with them

[uneven anchor]

Ara admit you got owned

[jade rover]

What would the binomial distribution have to do with anything

[paper spade]

Now you’re just trying to prove I’m wrong in something I know you remember

[uneven anchor]

Giga L

[paper spade]

Wow you’re just like lying for clout I guess when you talk about stats

[jade rover]

What?? You said I mentioned something I didn’t

[jade rover]

Binomial? Show

Never mentioned that because it’s not relevant here

[paper spade]

Do you know what a packet is ara

You said it’s a statistical probability of rounding

[jade rover]

Yes a discrete quantity of data

[paper spade]

We represent that with a binomial distribution

That’s the only possible way to measure it in computing

I major in math and computer science

[jade rover]

I didn’t take packets into consideration but I don’t see why it’s relevant

[paper spade]

You said it has a possibility of rounding down

[jade rover]

Yes

[paper spade]

You are wrong

[jade rover]

It never rounds down?

[paper spade]

Nope

Only in the fidst range

[uneven anchor]

BIG DRAMA

[jade rover]

I’ll give a thought experiment to show why it must

[paper spade]

It’s 0f in the first range, 2f in the second range

[uneven anchor]

[jade rover]

Also im just talking about the time for anything in frames

[undone sandal]

talking about bv right? this is correct

[jade rover]

Not BV specifically

[paper spade]

That’s exactly what I was referring to if you would just read. Your experiments are measuring frame skipping and server ping dropping frames. Not bv rounding down.

We tested this

[jade rover]

Maybe BV has something different

[paper spade]

Yes

This is common networking knowledge

[uneven anchor]

Ill be back to ready the nerd drama

[paper spade]

Frame skipping occurs due to fire rate not being exactly the same as frames ingame

[uneven anchor]

[paper spade]

And ping causes damage to drop for 84ms intervals due to server updates

That is what you measured ara

Don’t come in here saying things you don’t know for certain please

It caused me to need to test ingame when I already knew the answer

[jade rover]

@paper spade

What’s the issue here

[paper spade]

That’s completely due to frame skipping and server ping drops

[jade rover]

^^

[jade rover]

No

[paper spade]

Yes it’s a tick rate of 60

[jade rover]

You didn’t read it

[paper spade]

It never rounds down

[jade rover]

Maybe there’s some property about BV that’s different

🤷

[paper spade]

No…

[jade rover]

But read what I wrote

What happens if we both ADS and you ADS in real time 8ms faster. Same ping and everything else.

[paper spade]

We are able to account for bv exactly. You are experiencing frame drops due to fire rate not being an exact rate of the game

That is why it rounds down in your testing

[jade rover]

You didn’t read what I wrote. Maybe there’s something for BV I overlooked

[paper spade]

Because we drop a frame due to fire rate

[jade rover]

^^^

Just yes or no

[paper spade]

I already said the game only updates in 60 ticks per second

[rich arch]

Hi lol

[paper spade]

We aren’t debating that

[rough sierra]

Did yall know ur mums snitched on you

[paper spade]

It rounds up to the next frame if it’s ads time or firing

[dusty heart]

[rough sierra]

Skull emoji my ass

Sorry I wrote that wrong

Skull emoji IN my ass

[paper spade]

Bv rounds up to the next frame unless it’s in the first range it rounds down to 0 frames

[jade rover]

Server updates 12 times a second not 60

[whole moss]

Real

[paper spade]

You are just spouting nonsense at this point ara

[jade rover]

It has a 60 FPS rate

[rough sierra]

Human cranium

[paper spade]

Yes I said that but server rate only matters if you lag

[jade rover]

Tick rate is not frame rate

[paper spade]

Which I already mentioned IN THIS CONVERSATION

[rough sierra]

Ye

[jade rover]

This isn’t true

[paper spade]

I already mentioned server rate if 12 ticks per second

[jade rover]

Ok

[paper spade]

You don’t

[rough sierra]

Men

[paper spade]

You’re just spewing nonsense stats about the game at this point

The fact is you’re wrong about bv. We accounted for everything

[jade rover]

So the TTK will never round down is what you’re saying

[jade rover]

Maybe so

[paper spade]

It rounds down when fire rate causes a frame skip

You dolt

That’s it

Only one frame ever in that scenario

[rough sierra]

BRO

[paper spade]

And when bv is in the first bv range it rounds to 0

[rough sierra]

Omg

[jade rover]

ADS time is simpler

[rough sierra]

True

[jade rover]

So with that

[paper spade]

Rest of the time, ads rounds up to the next frame

[rough sierra]

I agree

[ruby iris]

Does any of this matter practically tho?

[jade rover]

It never rounds down?

[paper spade]

It’s not simpler what are you on

I literally have a graphic showing every tick by tick update in the game

[rough sierra]

Sun

[jade rover]

If something has ADS time of 103ms will it round down?

[stuck depot]

Realistically no but let them keep talking

[paper spade]

For each gun in mp

[jade rover]

^ question

[paper spade]

It never rounds down

[ruby iris]

Fair

[paper spade]

I said this a million times

[rough sierra]

Zombies is better then mp

[paper spade]

It rounds up to 116.66

[rough sierra]

I'm kidding

[paper spade]

Ara are you just mentally slow or something

[rough sierra]

Ye

[paper spade]

I’ve mentioned everything here in my first comment to you

[jade rover]

I wanted to be sure what you meant

[rough sierra]

I can't read

[paper spade]

You’re just asking to confirm stuff while acting like you were never wrong

[undone sandal]

yk just to stop the argument about the amount of frames bv adds to the ttk
say, we have 900m/s bv

0-15.3m 0f or hitscan
15.3-30.6m 2f
30.6-45.9m 3f
and so on

[jade rover]

Im fine if im wrong

But what I don’t get is this

Game operates at a set rate

Independently of you

[paper spade]

You caused me to need to test ingame because you were wrong

Just don’t be so pompous about this stuff in the future ara

[jade rover]

Let’s say it receives input for ADS exactly when it’s going to move to the next instance

No I’m asking a question

[paper spade]

It always starts in the next tick

So it won’t start in the tick before

It waits until the next tick to begin ads

I sent that like 5 min ago

I’m lagging hard

[rough sierra]

Guys shush

[jade rover]

So even if it’s an 100ms ADS time ie a discrete number of ticks (and frames), it’ll wait until the next one?

To begin ADS’ing

[paper spade]

Wdym

[rough sierra]

To begin doing your mom

[paper spade]

Why would the duration matter

[jade rover]

It doesn’t

But just roll with it

[paper spade]

fuck

[rough sierra]

It doesn't matter just like your life 💀💀💀💀

Sorry

[paper spade]

Haha I sent that fuck 10 minutes ago

[jade rover]

Server receives input to ADS. ADS time is 100ms.

[paper spade]

Bc nothing was sending

[jade rover]

If it receives the signal just before the next tick, is there no difference vs whether it receives the signal after the next tick?

[rich arch]

U need help

[paper spade]

Let’s say you start aiming in frame 0.5, ads time begins in frame one, 100ms is 6 frames so you’ll start shootings in frame 7

[jade rover]

Id like the answer to that

[rich arch]

Where can I download the garena codm?

[paper spade]

Do you understand now ara?

[austere igloo]

Lmao u died? @stray rapids

[jade rover]

Just this

[austere igloo]

U died to maddox??

[jade rover]

Yes I get what you’re saying.

[stray rapids]

Shush

[paper spade]

If it received the signal after the tick started it will go to the next tick

[jade rover]

Okay

[paper spade]

I’d You start aiming on 1.5 firing begins at 8

[stray rapids]

I didn't expect to die there

[austere igloo]

Unbelievable

[jade rover]

Good

[stray rapids]

Got sloppy

[austere igloo]

Well hey at least I finished the job for u

[paper spade]

my chart is accurate to everything ingame

[jade rover]

So, the probability it will receive the signal before or after a particular tick is relevant

[paper spade]

no..

its binomial

have you taken statistics 1?

[jade rover]

But you said if it receives it after a tick it’ll wait until the next

[paper spade]

it never rounds down

there is no statistics there

[stray rapids]

Fortunately lol

[jade rover]

SMH just answer

[stray rapids]

Was he low?

[austere igloo]

I hipfired with my em2 lmaoo

[paper spade]

it always waits until the next tick if it recieves after its started

[narrow glen]

@paper spade, 19

[stray rapids]

Yeh

[austere igloo]

& Killed him

[paper spade]

thats how update rate works...

[jade rover]

Ok good

[austere igloo]

And I also activated my medic

[stray rapids]

I saw mechanic and thought u was gonna die

Lucky u skill

[austere igloo]

Thats why I put medic

[paper spade]

ive said that at least 15 times in the last 10 minutes to you ara

[austere igloo]

I felt like I was cheating lmaooo

[paper spade]

why are you acting like youre quizzing me to see if its right? i was telling you that YOU were wrong

[stray rapids]

Nah mechanic the bugger cheat

[austere igloo]

The mechanic shldve been the end of me but I used medic to cheat death

[stray rapids]

I used to use it

But had bad experience

[austere igloo]

Mechanic works for me too

[stray rapids]

Like being jumped by squads after the initial hp boost is over

[austere igloo]

But now I prefer medic

[austere igloo]

They buffed medic

[jade rover]

Now let’s take this to the real world. I press the ADS button. Well, it matters if the server receives the signal before or after a tick then doesn’t it! This can be modelled probabilistically.

[austere igloo]

So u heal faster now

[stray rapids]

I'm used after buff i think

[paper spade]

it doesnt matter when the server recieved the tick

[ruby iris]

We still doing this?

[paper spade]

if you kill them in your game ticks they can no longer deal damage to you

unless you drop frames

assuming same ping

[jade rover]

You just said the opposite

[paper spade]

no i did not

read again

[jade rover]

^

[paper spade]

game tick

not server tick

people here confuse frames and game tick because both are 60 hz

[jade rover]

I thought its 60 Hz and 12 Hz for game and server

[paper spade]

thats correct

[jade rover]

But either way - take whatever discrete entity you want

[stray rapids]

Did u see my pings

[ruby iris]

Yes

I retired

[paper spade]

server ticks only matter if youre lagging

[stray rapids]

What

[jade rover]

If it’s registered before the end of a discrete entity that’s different to after

[ruby iris]

Herbo told me to retire

So i did

[paper spade]

if what is registered?

[jade rover]

ADS input let’s say

[warped gyro]

How do I get the 20 ?

[undone sandal]

rwtire where

[paper spade]

what does discrete entity mean

[jade rover]

Literally whatever you want

[ruby iris]

Here

[paper spade]

your example isnt applicable to alot of things

it doesnt work as a model

[undone sandal]

wait until another challenge appears with the 20 shards as reward

[stray rapids]

Then who will do gunsmithing

[ruby iris]

Idk

Catgang?

[stray rapids]

[undone sandal]

no one

[jade rover]

Let’s say server rolls at 12Hz for processing information

[ruby iris]

Or araphainos

[stray rapids]

Me and tych take over

[ruby iris]

[undone sandal]

im dumb when it comes to gunsmiths

[jade rover]

If I send an ADS signal and it reaches server the other side of a tick to you @paper spade will we finish ADS’ing at the same time?

I think we would both say no

[paper spade]

with same gun and same start time and ping?

[jade rover]

Let’s say everything is the same but ping means server gets my ADS signal the other side of the end of a tick to you

Then we would finish at different times correct?

[paper spade]

i think youre just spouting things to try to look smart when you dont understand how the game works

[jade rover]

Dude answer

[paper spade]

is ping the same?

and the ads start time?

[warped gyro]

is zealot and diamond diff skins?

[jade rover]

I gave all conditions

[stray rapids]

Not by this server standards

[paper spade]

no you didnt

without ping its impossible to answer

[austere igloo]

Obviously

[paper spade]

are you sure youre in college?

[undone sandal]

true ig

[stray rapids]

We're like gods here

But peasants in campers

[worn robin]

🗿

[warped gyro]

whats the diff eh?

[jade rover]

Look the server will receive ADS input just before the next tick for you and just after for me. There will be a difference given everything about our ADS times is the same correct?

[paper spade]

so you have a ping of 1 and i have a ping of 17?

[austere igloo]

One is paid, the other is free

[paper spade]

not if ping is the same, then its equal if you started at the same time

same frames same server ticks

youre asking if i start aiming at llike 40ms and you start aiminag at 0, because the update is 84ms if it will be the same?

i think yes they will be the same because it rounds up

[ruby iris]

[paper spade]

but thats just for signal recieved

if you kill them first on your game ticks theyre dead

[jade rover]

No I’m saying either side. So for example 83 and 84

[undone sandal]

i don't actually send any builds there
i just do ingame stats stuff

[stray rapids]

Do u even talk in campers

[paper spade]

if i start aiming at 83 its 1 game tick, 84 its 2

[jade rover]

Okay cool

[paper spade]

so 166ms

[undone sandal]

ye

[stray rapids]

I never see u there

[paper spade]

but remember

[stray rapids]

Huh

[undone sandal]

sometimes on leaks disc

[paper spade]

game sends at tick interval

[jade rover]

There’s a probability as to which side of a tick your signal ends up being processed at

[paper spade]

important for some very specific cases

[paper spade]

no

you experience ping and frame drops in testing causing that

it always rounds the tick up, server literally doesnt accept data until the next tick

[jade rover]

It has to be. How can you know if your input will be processed +83 or +84ms server time?

[paper spade]

its easy to test with our own server and game

which i have literally done not for this game but just to test the logic

its how updates work

[paper spade]

by if your ads time is in the tick for 83.33ms or the tick after that up to 100ms

[jade rover]

So you’re telling me that there’s no element of probability as to whether when you press the ADS button, knowing nothing else, it will be processed at one or two ticks?

[paper spade]

in that example yea

with ping being the same

[jade rover]

Just take this

[paper spade]

is your goal just to restate things until i slip and say ping isnt the same?

[jade rover]

No

[paper spade]

then you want to say it is a statistical way to analyze it?

because thats also wrong

[jade rover]

Let’s say 0ms ping

Not possible but whatever

[paper spade]

1ms :)

[jade rover]

Nah use 0

[paper spade]

thats impossibkle

ping starts at 1

[jade rover]

I know but it’s a thought experiment okay use 1ms

Now in real-time, Earth time let’s call it, the server is chugging along at discrete intervals each spanning 83.3…ms

I press ADS and it’s instantly or if you want near-instantly received by server.

[paper spade]

server recieves and sends it at 83.3ms.

[jade rover]

How do I know if the instance i pressed ADS was before a 83.3…ms tick span ends or after?

You cannot know

[paper spade]

wrong

and what is this example asking about? the ads time recieved on another client?

[jade rover]

Okay so basically I get the idea

Maybe my model is wrong

But you’re too dumb to understand something very basic

[paper spade]

no you simply do not understand networking

moron

[jade rover]

This is very very clearly true

[paper spade]

server ticks dont affect ads time, it affects ads time received on another client and it always rounds up to the nearest server interval

[jade rover]

What university did you go to?

[paper spade]

then its sent to the client receiving it

[jade rover]

If you want ad hominem

[paper spade]

there is no probability involved

ucla dual major in math and comp sci

wbu?

[uneven anchor]

yall still arguing?

[jade rover]

Tbh it doesn’t matter because if you can’t understand what I said is obviously true then there’s no point continuing. Maybe my model is wrong but that’s besides the point

[paper spade]

i understand it completely. its just not how networking works

[uneven anchor]

[paper spade]

packets are sent and recieved at 83.3ms on the server

there is no probability unless you drop frames a specific proportion of the time

which you are definitely experiencing in testing

[jade rover]

I cba. Maybe the model is wrong but you can’t understand what I’m saying

[paper spade]

so you come here all pompous and say crapthats wrong

[jade rover]

Enjoy

[uneven anchor]

[paper spade]

who made the model? its wrong

i can give you my dataset

the model you are referring to only measures dropped packets or frames due to ping or network errors

[jade rover]

Look I’m not even taking about the model rn I’m just talking about a concept and you can’t understand it. I accept the model may be wrong

[paper spade]

it assumes a probability for a large number of issues

in our tests we always assume ping is equal

[jade rover]

✌️

[paper spade]

you are completely wrong because you are saying ping isnt equal in examples where ping should always be considered equal

idiot

[paper spade]

best ttk chart

[uneven anchor]

[stray rapids]

Before mods delete

[paper spade]

:d

[uneven anchor]

Dont leave rice ill miss you

[paper spade]

@stray rapids i need you to find someone who will sort the guns with vindication

i will praise and love you forever if so

[jade rover]

If you want I can explain it with a metronome as an example

[stray rapids]

Huh

[paper spade]

explain

[jade rover]

In SnD Game brb

[stray rapids]

Get malphas from the cyg server

[paper spade]

its okay we dont need him. everything i said is what malphas tested and confirmed

[stray rapids]

That's the most reliable i know

Huh

[paper spade]

yea we talked about it

my charts are tick accurate

[stray rapids]

Malphas can probably sort out where my gun sorting is wrong

[paper spade]

i mean we both came at our values independently

but we found our ttk values are equal which is always fun

in our data tables

with our bv calculations and everything

alr i pinged him

[undone sandal]

i helped w the maddox ttks

[paper spade]

you should have just told him i existed

i have all the numbers laying on a spreadsheet right here

[uneven anchor]

Will apollo be on the SoD team?

[undone sandal]

who knows

[paper spade]

im so bad at codm

you have no idea

[uneven anchor]

lol they need nerds not good players

[undone sandal]

no worries man im bad asw

[paper spade]

oh sod isnt like a tournament team?

[undone sandal]

stats on duty

[uneven anchor]

[uneven anchor]

SoD are a team of theory crafters and data nerds

Which tych is a part of 👍

[stray rapids]

Anyways consult malphas on the gun sorting for ur chart

[uneven anchor]

Omw to spell tych in reactions under every tych post in Sod server

[stray rapids]

Too bad more aren't on cyg chat

They were sick of arguing with ogaed

[paper spade]

sheesh this calls for some pinot noir

[stray rapids]

[undone sandal]

mfw i see my name iin reactions whenever i post

[stray rapids]

You obsessed

[stray rapids]

Spell tychsucks

[paper spade]

oh i guess i do know tych

[uneven anchor]

🇹🇾🇨 🇭

[stray rapids]

U shld go classed discussion

That's their equivalent of this chat

[paper spade]

would u mind sorting some guns into lists of 3-4 for me so i can post all the mp ttk charts?

i dont know what grouping would be useful

[uneven anchor]

like 2 S’s tho

[stray rapids]

Tychsuk

[undone sandal]

wdym sort into lists

[paper spade]

-Hvk kilo m16 lk
-Hvk krig kn m13 ak117
-Em2 ak47
-Cbr qxr rus
-Rpd chopper Holger 
-Hades Holger ul


Fennec, Maddox Echo, GKS, Pharo, ODEN, SKS```

i can only fit 3-4 guns on each chart looking good

[uneven anchor]

1st list
CBR, Krig, HVK, Fennec 👍

[paper spade]

these are the guns

[uneven anchor]

top 4

[undone sandal]

ah those
im bad at ranking stuff

should put the guns w similar performance on the same list imo
so you can compare how it does to another gun

[paper spade]

the charts look like this

[paper spade]

.<

[jade rover]

Thankfully in the SnD game one of my guns has a metronome lol

[paper spade]

that isnt accurate

its possible the metronome spins at a speed of 500ms or so

which isnt tick accurate

[jade rover]

No you muppet it’s not literally 12Hz

[paper spade]

it doesnt necessarily mean it updates at an exact number of frames

[jade rover]

But clearly one shot is just before the end a tick and one is just after. We both shot at random times. How are we meant to know if when we shoot it’s before or after?

[paper spade]

.....

everything you see is the frame after its happened

itsalreayd updated

processed in the game

[jade rover]

If you can’t understand that then I’m done. No point

Yes I know that

[paper spade]

one shot was not sent after or before any tick

it was always sent after the tick its currently in

[jade rover]

Not literally the actual shots wipe your autism away it’s an analogy

[paper spade]

i dont understand what you mean by "before or after"

it makes no sense

[jade rover]

So you can hear one shot is just before a tick ends and one is just after

[uneven anchor]

2nd list uhhhh bear with me
Bozon, holgae, kilo, sks but switch blade comes in kinda hot ngl

[jade rover]

Both were shot randomly

I literally managed to do this in an SnD lobby btw

[paper spade]

audio files dont update at the exact fire interval necessarily either

nor exactly when the gun deals damage

its a different mecahnic

[uneven anchor]

damn how good is switchblade

I just dont use it

[jade rover]

you’re too dumb there’s no point

[paper spade]

you are using sound to measure something that occurs in ticks and is already measurable

[jade rover]

Im not talking about that

[uneven anchor]

D:

[jade rover]

You don’t know what an analogy is

[uneven anchor]

Toxic mfs holy guacomoly

[jade rover]

No reason to continue this discussion

[paper spade]

ive accounted for everything in the game its tick accurate. you are just wrong and dont understand how the game mechanics occur

[jade rover]

Im not saying my model was right btw

[lean frost]

Foldable suitcase with barrel

[paper spade]

what are you trying to say ara?

[undone sandal]

this argument is just calling each other dumb without one of you admitting that you are wrong and moving on from it

so what's the point

[jade rover]

You’re a moron 🙂 and that probability matters

[paper spade]

he just wont go away when ive already proved what he is saying is wrong with networking standards

[uneven anchor]

Tych timeouts?

[jade rover]

Ok I’m done

[paper spade]

there is no probability if your ping is the same

update speeds and networking is very clearly measureable

[jade rover]

Im not talking about this anymore

[undone sandal]

if you want to keep arguing about it then argue in dms
this server isn't a housing for you two to call each other stupid

[jade rover]

I agree

[uneven anchor]

winner of the debate? Me, because im beautiful

[jade rover]

^

[uneven anchor]

[paper spade]

i havent called him stupid, ive only said facts about how networking works..

[jade rover]

Bro

That is not true at all

[uneven anchor]

Stop it ended

[jade rover]

You have multiple times

[uneven anchor]

Ara pls my precious

[jade rover]

I just blocked him all good

[paper spade]

the fact is there is no probability involved in the server and game tick update speeds in codm

thats it

[undone sandal]

just drop it and move on

[uneven anchor]

[paper spade]

its proven

[jade rover]

Im not saying that!!! Thick as concrete

Done no more

[paper spade]

i always assume ping is the same. i specifically said you dont assume ping is the same by making it a probability. thats the only scenario thats possible, if you drop frames unpredictably. and thats what you are referring to.

[uneven anchor]

Okay its drama time. Why tf are you 42r

[paper spade]

you have yourself confused ara

[jade rover]

^

[lean frost]

Why mag cap to 30 when u can get a M13 with better 4 tap potentials

As VAL doesn't count that just sucks at everything

[uneven anchor]

worse recoil, L movement. Id rather m13

[lean frost]

u said u didn't care about strafe like a month ago

[uneven anchor]

I dont

but if im gonna nuke strafe it should at least be good

[lean frost]

it is good

[uneven anchor]

cougar tripin on a trip mine

[lean frost]

tell me one reason why it isn't good

[lean frost]

Ong

[uneven anchor]

[jade rover]

One of my failed experiments

[undone sandal]

if you're gonna use 100r mag on kilo

[uneven anchor]

what deleted

[undone sandal]

use fmj as well

100% pen

[uneven anchor]

ara you need jebus

[lean frost]

Thy giveth dem reasonath @uneven anchor

[jade rover]

I run this now

[lean frost]

Was the 100r mag becuz of the custom model

[jade rover]

No

[undone sandal]

i need to try n use tectonic kilo build

[uneven anchor]

You know what? This is gonna turn into apollo V Ara. So im just not going to elaborate further

[sour geyser]

Anybody have a good AK radiance build ?? 😅

[jade rover]

40 basically was tho lol

When I ran that

[lean frost]

I'll admit type sucks if u give a good reason

[uneven anchor]

a good reason

[jade rover]

Dad joke of the year

[lean frost]

Good skin

[uneven anchor]

[uneven anchor]

Irons 🔫

[paper spade]

just to confirm @undone sandal there is no probability involved in codm outside of maybe some instance of ping spikes or a binomial representation of that and frames you dropped if you commonly drop frames, right? i am asking not because i want to prove ara is wrong but because i need to confirm my model is correct. i think i already know the answer though considering all my calcualtions are the same as what malph has

[uneven anchor]

omfg

[jade rover]

Omg

[uneven anchor]

[uneven anchor]

dies

[paper spade]

its about stats not about this guy throwing a fit

[undone sandal]

im not good on probabilites

if u get same result as malphas then u prob correct

[paper spade]

alr thats all i needed to hear ty

[lean frost]

So we admit Type 25 is gigachadiussaurus

[uneven anchor]

[lean frost]

[ruby iris]

Gae recoil, bad bsa, bad flinch, only strafe speed is good while ads is meh

[jade rover]

There is no probability in how the system itself works. Only in user-system interactions.

[uneven anchor]

Apollo, ara. Unite just this once to trash type

[jade rover]

BK gunsmith?

[lean frost]

@uneven anchor rice said type's strafe is good

We definitely broke him

[uneven anchor]

dies

[stray rapids]

They just frame nerdd

[lean frost]

even that build only has 3.6 m/s which isn't stupid fast

[paper spade]

i mean i used to code ais that functioned on tick and server logic and i was ranked #1 in the world in the biggest ai combat arena, called gladiabots, for a very long time

[ruby iris]

Mono elb combat tac laser 40 fast

[paper spade]

im very well versed in this stuff

[stray rapids]

Ricey ai expired

[jade rover]

Thx

[ruby iris]

It has decent strafe with light stock

[jade rover]

Everything does ^

[ruby iris]

Not like good good

But usable

[stray rapids]

Type can get good mobility if u nuke bsa and strafe

[lean frost]

3.6 m/s is like
Not that fast
I mean
It's not 2.79 m/s but not good

[stray rapids]

Type can hit 4m/s even

[uneven anchor]

3.6 is like…

3.6

[lean frost]

Do we want a fennec without the fennec?

[lean frost]

Ong

[jade rover]

I knew you’d say that lol

[uneven anchor]

[jade rover]

Just bcos of the tone of everything with numbers

Light stock can make any Ar have good strafe

[uneven anchor]

god catgang is creative and funny and intelligent
Real

[jade rover]

I can confirm deleted comment

[uneven anchor]

fk you guys

i have some brain matter

[jade rover]

I’ll never forget catgang’s shop

That was so funny

[uneven anchor]

[stray rapids]

Huh

[uneven anchor]

i set up shop only to peek a sniper

[jade rover]

It’s worse than that

[uneven anchor]

truly galaxy brain

[ruby iris]

Type with fast mobility and usable bsa

[jade rover]

He went in the room long A at coastal

[uneven anchor]

AR smg BSA 👍

[ruby iris]

Maybe swap fast mag to gran

[jade rover]

Was running trip mine restock and placed tripmines all around his little room

[ruby iris]

You get 3.85 strafe and 21 bsa

[lean frost]

We broke rice so hard he actually did it

[jade rover]

Only for him to get sniped

[uneven anchor]

it was pretty genius cmon

[jade rover]

It was funnier in person

[ruby iris]

@lean frost @stray rapids

[jade rover]

Text can’t capture it

[uneven anchor]

Truly cant

[lean frost]

but 30r mag cap
Dies

[ruby iris]

No suppression

[warped gyro]

Any good rectical for snipers?

[uneven anchor]

Thats what you get for running type

[ruby iris]

And shid range

[stray rapids]

Still 30 mag

[lean frost]

I just want SMG BSA
No need for AR BSA
Give SMG BSA

[undone sandal]

i have skill issue hvk lc feels too slow

[stray rapids]

Light barrel combat stok

[undone sandal]

i am

it feels slow

[paper spade]

i use marksman

[ruby iris]

90 fov + sync ads

[uneven anchor]

Hvk lc faster than Krueger 6

[undone sandal]

i have 75 fov + sync

[uneven anchor]

yes i spelled it wrong again, get owned

[ruby iris]

Use 90

Fast

[paper spade]

i use 80 no sync

[uneven anchor]

Sync to ads off and max fov feels pretty quick ngl

[undone sandal]

emphasis on feels

[uneven anchor]

sync ads makes it harder to notice strafe ngl

[austere igloo]

Works

[undone sandal]

ur still travelling same distance

[uneven anchor]

Feels > Reality

[ruby iris]

Light stock

[undone sandal]

tf light stock

[lean frost]

Oh
L

[ruby iris]

[uneven anchor]

deleted message. l

[austere igloo]

Why?

[ruby iris]

Combat

[austere igloo]

Why tf not

[austere igloo]

No

[ruby iris]

Yes

[undone sandal]

dumb stock

[uneven anchor]

Typed a whole essay only to get clapped by automod

[undone sandal]

imagine using light over combat on hvk

[austere igloo]

Combat stock is dumb stock

[ruby iris]

Smh

[lean frost]

gigaL

@ruby iris check this build

[uneven anchor]

light needs a strafe buff wth man

[austere igloo]

Giga W*

[uneven anchor]

give it like 25% and less punishing. 👍

[lean frost]

Wasn't reffering to you tho

[warped gyro]

Any good sniper rectical scopes???

[lean frost]

Maybe it'll make ppsh good

[warm light]

I got this from maddox draw 🤩(ignore the bad bsa)

[austere igloo]

Ksp

[warm light]

Krispy 45

[ruby iris]

Hmm

[uneven anchor]

psst, CBR bettr and even has an attachment leftover for disable

[warm light]

Ksp is stronk

[west wyvern]

Guys I tried the hold to ads instead of tap and for sniping I do so good but I can’t use anything auto

[ruby iris]

Try 38r mag

[uneven anchor]

[west wyvern]

Is there anything I can do?

[uneven anchor]

same with on m13

[lean frost]

Rice didn't instantly ew a type 25 build

Progress

[uneven anchor]

Regression

[ruby iris]

218 is like

Cbr ads

[lean frost]

What attachment

Gran?

[uneven anchor]

swap for laser

[lean frost]

Oh

[uneven anchor]

Laser mfs when free intel for the enemy

[stray rapids]

Stop trying to justify type

[uneven anchor]

[lean frost]

That's why I use peacekeeper

[stray rapids]

Just admit that it feels good to you

However u try type will always be shid

[lean frost]

It's good gun

[uneven anchor]

[austere igloo]

Lmao

[jade rover]

@ruby iris is this an error? -0.4?

[austere igloo]

Its shid in br too aint it

[austere igloo]

[stray rapids]

It's been like that a long time

[jade rover]

Im new still tbf

[stray rapids]

No

[ruby iris]

No

[jade rover]

Wow

[austere igloo]

U said u didnt hv good experience with it

U said hvk was bttr

[jade rover]

Why is it that low

[uneven anchor]

best attachment
Real

Probably low because of akimbo

[undone sandal]

bc fennec

[uneven anchor]

attachments do lie. My heart broke when rice said ranger laser doesnt work

[austere igloo]

Yea it doesnt

[undone sandal]

what does ranger do

[uneven anchor]

[lean frost]

Merc laser supremacy

[uneven anchor]

+20 moving bsa

merc mfs win

[lean frost]

[jade rover]

Fennec build?

[ruby iris]

5mw mono light stock mag rubber

[undone sandal]

mono
nostock/light stock
5mw laser
op fg/rubberized
ext mqg

big

[uneven anchor]

Mono
Op fg/ ext light
Ext mag
Steady stock
Laser 5mw/tac or granulated

[lean frost]

hm yes
Granulated laser

[uneven anchor]

or granulated

[jade rover]

Nice I have that but a diff laser (YKM)

[lean frost]

Granulated laser

[uneven anchor]

what dat do

[uneven anchor]

mf u know what i mean

[lean frost]

YKM Laser-Ranger
RTC Laser-Merc

[lean frost]

@uneven anchor araph did the thing

[austere igloo]

I use combat stock on hvk with this build

[uneven anchor]

bruh we were just talking about how ranger doesnt work @jade rover

[uneven anchor]

He literally did a catgang

[lean frost]

I think u mean granulated laser

[uneven anchor]

[ruby iris]

The combat stock stays

No matter the build

[undone sandal]

i have gran instead of combat stock

slow ads

[uneven anchor]

on hvk? y

[undone sandal]

passive

[lean frost]

Wait
HDR coming?

[uneven anchor]

ranger mfs
(totally not me)

[jade rover]

What’s HDR

[ruby iris]

Ye

[undone sandal]

sniper

[ruby iris]

Mw19's hdr

[jade rover]

Idk what that is

[uneven anchor]

new gun?

[lean frost]

[jade rover]

Stopped playing cod regularly after BO2

[uneven anchor]

samee

[jade rover]

What kind of gun

[uneven anchor]

After that it was cod ww2 but it kinda sucked

[lean frost]

Mw2019 sniper
Bolt action

[jade rover]

Kk

[uneven anchor]

not as good as world at war for obvious reasons (those who know me)

[jade rover]

Damn bolt action sounds like it’s either gonna be busted or trash

[jade rover]

Catgang aren’t you too young

[uneven anchor]

gonna get timmed for talking about world at war again

damn wrong game

[uneven anchor]

Nah i grew up on that

[jade rover]

Yes but for it to be your final cod

Also akimbo fennec build?

[uneven anchor]

Dont. Please

[jade rover]

Why not

I want to be a menace on summit

[undone sandal]

akimbo shit

[jade rover]

Kk

[lean frost]

Na45 and Akimbo fennecs are known for giving ptsd
Akimbo is shit currently however
Na45 is na45

[uneven anchor]

Akimbo meta jumpscare

[jade rover]

😂

[warped gyro]

Any good sniper rectical scopes???

[lean frost]

Catgang jumpscare

[uneven anchor]

Pin point

[uneven anchor]

WHAT? I NEVER SAID THIS

not real, didnt happen, if it did you deserved it

[jade rover]

Nya

UwU

[uneven anchor]

[jade rover]

Aw Catgang just wants a hug

[uneven anchor]

no catgang definetely does not approve of anime cat people, uh why would you assume that

[jade rover]

Damn it I just thought of the easiest way to 💩 on Apollo

It would mean ping doesn’t matter under 84ms, it’s the same if it’s 20 or 80 but that’s not true (he said this tbh)

I digress

[uneven anchor]

OMG you guys are obsessed

you guys should like get a room i think

[lean frost]

What

[uneven anchor]

and do stuff, like math and stuff

[lean frost]

These are called bar stats

[uneven anchor]

Saved image so i can spam it against a bozo using bar stats

[lean frost]

It is highly recommended to click on this during gunsmithing

[uneven anchor]

Saved image

[west wyvern]

How did you get that name

Did you buy a rename card?

[lean frost]

[Color code in brackets] name

I saved it as a blueprint

[west wyvern]

Can others see it?

[lean frost]

no

[west wyvern]

Oh ok

I was boutta say am I grinding master for no reason

[lean frost]

I mean it's a blueprint so others obv can't see it

[paper spade]

Ping is response time but usually occurs as an average and has dropped packets which change it. It’s not usually constant. But if it is constant it always gets rounded up to the next server tick. What I said is true It is true but ping being like a bit higher and below that interval and feeling difference is those packet drops. Real world is very different than assuming a constant value. You misapplied what I said which is simply a tick by tick analysis of how updates occur

@jade rover

[jade rover]

Blocked comment

[paper spade]

Still summoned by the ping tho

[warped gyro]

Aight

[worn robin]

[uneven anchor]

someone has an obession🎵

[paper spade]

I just like being right plus if I’m wrong I only get to make my charts more correct. But I’ve already proven it so yea

[uneven anchor]

this is the best rom. drama ive ever seen

[paper spade]

I’m thinking of changing the chart background to black

What do u think abt that

[uneven anchor]

Very easy on the eyes

i approve

[paper spade]

Better than blurred people?

[undone sandal]

ye

[uneven anchor]

yeah it kinda distracts

Fun mission from mw tho

[jade rover]

Akimbo fennec is good as a secondary using deagle as primary

I really like it

[undone sandal]

shit range

[uneven anchor]

stop.. dont become one of them

[fiery grove]

Yo guys, I asked Chatgpt to create and overview of my em2 build, it got the attachments benefits completely wrong. Can I send it here?

[uneven anchor]

chat gpt is a literal bot my guy

[fiery grove]

Ik but I will still bash it for not knowing

[austere igloo]

[undone sandal]

predictable, considering chatgpt is a text prediction ai

[fiery grove]

Class: Assault Rifle

Weapon: EM2

Overview:

The EM2 with these attachments is a versatile and effective build for the assault rifle class in Call of Duty Mobile. The YKM light stock helps to reduce recoil and improve mobility, while the agency suppressor keeps you off the radar and muffles your shots. The 25.8 task force barrel increases damage and accuracy at range, and the firm grip tape enhances control and stability. Finally, the 40 round extended mag increases your ammo capacity, allowing you to engage in longer firefights without having to reload as frequently. Overall, this build is well-rounded and suitable for a variety of playstyles and game modes.

This is what it came out with.

[indigo cloak]

lmao nice

[undone sandal]

light stock is completely wrong