codm-gunsmith-help

[rich arch]

@vernal nimbus wtf you do to have your nickname pass denied? 💀

[vernal nimbus]

I’ll use it and back you up

[jade rover]

Because the hit flinch this gives off is ungodly

Okay but eventually someone is gonna use it and see

[stray rapids]

M13 is a pretty flexible weapon, works as both flex and main

[vernal nimbus]

The moderators are freaky noobs and thought my name was innapropiate

Inappropriate *

[rich arch]

L

[jade rover]

I’m legendary ranked nothing special at legendary, on the lower end for sure, but that’s enough to say if a gun is insane

[vernal nimbus]

Its not tbh

[jade rover]

Like it’s annoying almost - I know it’s insane

[cosmic vessel]

This a good DLQ recticle?

[vernal nimbus]

Once youve played at the top is when you can say if a gun is insane

[stray rapids]

I'm elite rank and i can tell if a weapon is good or bad

[jade rover]

Ok

So even more reason for legendary

[stray rapids]

Reticles are personal preference really

[jade rover]

Just Someone use it

[cosmic vessel]

I mostly hardscope with DLQ, you guys?

[vernal nimbus]

They finally fixed blue dot

[stray rapids]

People quickscope

[lean frost]

I did use it, I just can't see the practicality that this would have

[cosmic vessel]

I prefer the ZRG for quickscoping

[jade rover]

I prefer the blue dot one with the two horizontal lines. People are more narrow than tall so horizontally is the hardest to aim at

Hardscope with DLQ and quickscope with ZRG?

Why

[cosmic vessel]

Opinions on my ZRG loadout?

[stray rapids]

Just need a nostock tbh

[jade rover]

No

I tried that

[lean frost]

Wouldn't that just make it a normal loadout

[cosmic vessel]

Wait the snipers are supposed to be role reversed?

[stray rapids]

Nah normal use short barrel

I wonder what's mobility like with nostok

[jade rover]

Nobody uses passive M13 come on

[stray rapids]

M13 is one of fastest ARs supposedly

[lean frost]

The sky one uses that
atleast I thought so

[stray rapids]

That's literally ur build

[jade rover]

You know what I mean

[stray rapids]

Sky what?

[jade rover]

It’s not the normal build

[lean frost]

Ah yes
"Sky"
it's not fun typing in windowed mode on a phone

[jade rover]

Or a normal build

[lean frost]

Smg

[vernal nimbus]

@jade rover what mode do you want me to play

[jade rover]

Idk ideally frontline but you can play any

[vernal nimbus]

You seem mew to the game or just

[jade rover]

I’m relatively new

[vernal nimbus]

I can tell

[jade rover]

Lol how

Just curious

[vernal nimbus]

You lack an ego and you’re too kind for a cod vet

and you play modes and use what suites you for your own personal reasons

[jade rover]

I have a little bit of an ego I suppose but I agree on the other point

Some people are nice but yeah

I didn’t notice being kind tho

Idk anyway

[lean frost]

Hmm

[jade rover]

I do lack an ego actually if I’m honest

I’m disassociated mostly

But not gunsmithing - still waiting for the M13 tryout 🫥

[vernal nimbus]

Im im a match rn

[jade rover]

Kk

[vernal nimbus]

I only have 2 kills rn lmfao

Im just gonna wait so I can play hp

[jade rover]

What rank again?

Are you just rushing in

You don’t need to hold angles but you have to preaim

[vernal nimbus]

Nah

[jade rover]

Mandatory

[vernal nimbus]

Legendary top 5k

[jade rover]

Oh jz

[vernal nimbus]

Alright im gonna drop a 40 for u rn

[jade rover]

Okay play a few games for sample size. Any mode

How you typing and playing lol

[lean frost]

he's just that good

[jade rover]

Got six extra fingers 😂

[lean frost]

Well, this is my conclusion for the M13:
In its intended role, it does its job just fine
Tho i fail to see how it's practical in terms of meta
If u can tell me how it is better then
Let's say a Kilo 141, then I'll accept that it is indeed, very good

[jade rover]

Kk fair enough

[lean frost]

Ok @uneven anchor
I got a gun for u to try

[zealous badger]

Wad up

[jade rover]

TTK

[lean frost]

@uneven anchor

[zealous badger]

I need a f2p Holger build

[jade rover]

And hit flinch is brutal

[lean frost]

The PK
pretty solid ngl

[stray rapids]

@jade rover

2.36 strafe

[jade rover]

Ye go in

[stray rapids]

[jade rover]

Yeah ik

[stray rapids]

2.36 strafe

[jade rover]

You don’t strafe this gun

[stray rapids]

[lean frost]

: (

[jade rover]

I know that’s very slow

[lean frost]

Passive kilo with optic on yellow

[stray rapids]

2.36 strafe

[lean frost]

Should've seen rice's PKM loadout pre-buff

[jade rover]

What is that like ~1 frame?

[stray rapids]

@jade rover trust me, use no stock instead of granulated

[jade rover]

I’m just waiting for @vernal nimbus to play a few games

[lean frost]

I'm not talking about the ads
Hit flinch and bsa is abit better on kilo

[jade rover]

Ik

[stray rapids]

M13 isn't best for a pure passive

[jade rover]

No when I say hit flinch is brutal

[stray rapids]

Damage retention, bv and shet

[vernal nimbus]

1st game I dropped 38

[jade rover]

I mean the M13 is brutal in giving someone else hit flinch

[vernal nimbus]

Im about to play the second one

[jade rover]

💥

Trying not to be smug but

[jade rover]

😂

[jade rover]

Told you guys

[stray rapids]

While the flinch is on the worse side for ars, it's not terrible either

[jade rover]

Anyway enjoy the build 😉

[stray rapids]

Any pro can make any build work

[vernal nimbus]

I dont enjoy it

[jade rover]

Oh damn

But is it good

[vernal nimbus]

Only because the sight

[stray rapids]

Any bad enemy can make any gun work

[jade rover]

In your opinion

[lean frost]

Emotional Damage

[vernal nimbus]

I like ironsights over optics

[jade rover]

Hmm

Okay use iron sights and skeleton then

[zealous badger]

I need f2p Holger build @ruby iris

[jade rover]

But I like the sights

[lean frost]

I accidentally gave AGR very bad bsa

[jade rover]

Either way you did sick, you can’t get this every game

[stray rapids]

Terrible bsa

[lean frost]

Horrific

[zealous badger]

Ouch

[lean frost]

Wouldn't use that over like
Idk
2 metres

[zealous badger]

Nah bro 1.5

[stray rapids]

Basically mac level

[lean frost]

Disable/SoH/Fmj/optic

[zealous badger]

Thanks

[lean frost]

I stole the build from rice

👍

[zealous badger]

What's the bsa

[lean frost]

19.5 iirc

[jade rover]

19.5?

You sure

[zealous badger]

Is that good?

[jade rover]

That’s decent

[lean frost]

In-game metric yes
Solid for a LMG

[jade rover]

For that build I’d expect low 20s

Like maybe 23

[jade rover]

Anyway whether he enjoyed it or not (doesn’t like sights but prefers irons idk why) first proper game with the god gun 🤔

Time is on my side; inevitability

Lol idk

[stray rapids]

What the hell is you on

[jade rover]

Just tired tbh

[lean frost]

That was like pre-buff Holger's bsa

[rich arch]

Hey

[jade rover]

Hey hamed

[stray rapids]

You could give catgang a j358 build and there's still a chance he can smack rank lobbies with it

Doesn't mean the gun is good

[lean frost]

J358 is good tho

[stray rapids]

For a secondary

But against primaries?

[jade rover]

Nobody can at ranked high legendary consistently get 38 kills

[lean frost]

Good point

[stray rapids]

That wuhan mf had 26% accuracy

What makes you think him winning is a gun thing

[jade rover]

Let’s see how he performs

[stray rapids]

26% isn't achievable to the average player

[rich arch]

How can i get giveaway

[stray rapids]

His aim is good as hell

[jade rover]

Ye Ik but this is also a laser

[lean frost]

I don't have a counter
but currently I'm telling him to try PK mk2
I think he'll like it

[jade rover]

Plus his aim

Check his accuracy for other guns

What is it for kilo?

Come on say you can see it

[lean frost]

I hope
He likes it

[jade rover]

@lean frost bro

I mean at least be fair

[lean frost]

Am i frens with herbo..?

[vernal nimbus]

2nd game trash map

[jade rover]

Ayy

[vernal nimbus]

If i remove the sight i could nuke

[jade rover]

What changes did you make?

[vernal nimbus]

None

[jade rover]

LWuhan go for it

I guess skeleton stock

[vernal nimbus]

Im using my scrim loadout too so no uavs, advanced, and swarm

[lean frost]

Would u say it's better then a passive Kilo 141?

[jade rover]

[queen escarp]

best meta gun and build?

[jade rover]

It is for me anyway thing is busted

[vernal nimbus]

I can’t tell with the irons on but I don’t like the kilo

[lean frost]

Interesting

[vernal nimbus]

I mean sight on

[jade rover]

Oh now youre open to it?

After two back to back near 40 bombs

[vernal nimbus]

Too much zoom with sights on

I prefer my m13 build but yours is good

[jade rover]

Kk, that’s a skill issue for me but use skeleton then I think

Which is performing better on average tho

[vernal nimbus]

Ill just add a perk

[jade rover]

Kk

[lean frost]

Holos have 1.25x zoom
If u need a sight but don't want zoom I'd say go for rds 1

[jade rover]

I think he knows that 🫢

[vernal nimbus]

They all have zoom

[jade rover]

Oh

Nvm

[lean frost]

Isn't rds 1x?

[jade rover]

Wait idk myself actually

[vernal nimbus]

No

Red dot and holo is 1.25x

[jade rover]

Someone told me here RDS is 1, holo is 1.25 and tac is 1.5

🤔 didn’t know that

[timber idol]

elo ey

[vernal nimbus]

I could be wrong but who knows

[jade rover]

It does say zoom on the in game thingy for RDS

[timber idol]

alright no one wants to say hi

[jade rover]

Hi

[vernal nimbus]

Hi

[timber idol]

bye have a great time

oh good

[vernal nimbus]

Im going to do 1 more without the sight

[jade rover]

Kk

Then average it I guess and see if it does better or worse than other builds

[minor dragon]

HBRa3 still not good after 69420 buffs

[lean frost]

The life of BK57

[jade rover]

It’s not as fun as more mobile/quicker M13s

[fresh sage]

I could say the same to k98k

[jade rover]

Less up close gunfights

[fresh sage]

The 1ms ads buff

[jade rover]

Lol wut

Was that a thing?

[minor dragon]

the BK has good potential just is let down by recoil

[jade rover]

I’ve never played it at all

[vernal nimbus]

Im abnormal

[jade rover]

Which gun would it be in OG cod? Or is it new

[fresh sage]

Bk underrated

[jade rover]

Go on

[fresh sage]

Cod online

2013

[jade rover]

Send the pic

[jade rover]

Did he get abducted by cod zeus as a prometheus?

[cunning rapids]

not gunsmith related robin

[jade rover]

I need to see the score

[minor dragon]

BK has competitive TTK with the kilo

[jade rover]

Leggo I straight up got called dumb by a few people

[jade rover]

Recoil is bending it like beckham

[fresh sage]

Counterpoint

[cunning rapids]

U should be with Batman

[viscid belfry]

its op wdym

[fresh sage]

True

[jade rover]

I think LWuhan is on a roll that’s why he isn’t posting his scores

Coincidence

[minor dragon]

BK has 273 ms 4 shot ttk and 364 ms 5 shot ttk whereas kilo has slightly better 4 and 5 shot ttk at 264 and 352 ms respectively

[jade rover]

Kilo recoil is so much better tho

Not even comparable

[viscid belfry]

yes

i like bk but its recoil its so bad

[jade rover]

Wuhan is back

What was av. performance

[vernal nimbus]

Less kills with less deaths

Im gonna do 1 more

[jade rover]

Kk

[vernal nimbus]

I dont like that map

[minor dragon]

With their respective optimal builds, both have practically the same range with only a difference in the 5 shot range

The BK also boasts slightly better mobility statistics

@stray rapids

[jade rover]

No signal fml

Oh

@uneven anchor first three games - I cooked like Chef Gusteau, everyone called me dumb too but at the very least if irl is anything that matters it’s closer to the opposite. My unmatched perspicacity…

Nobody can average like that normally

Especially as it’s the first time picking up the build

[vernal nimbus]

Heres the final game

[stray rapids]

No mag on bk

[jade rover]

42/5?!

Lmao

[minor dragon]

35 rounds is plenty for me

[stray rapids]

Isnt it 30 base

[vernal nimbus]

I had a 20 kill streak but no nuke

[jade rover]

Thoughts?

[vernal nimbus]

No sight its hella good

[jade rover]

Nice - I’ll try sight

What perk did you use?

[vernal nimbus]

Sleight of hand

[minor dragon]

Nope. 35

[jade rover]

Nice fast mag combo

[stray rapids]

Mhm

[jade rover]

Secret meta 🤫

[stray rapids]

I'd say

Use hvk 👍

[jade rover]

Every time we see a high ADS M13 they’re dumb and opinion invalid

Thanks a lot btw @vernal nimbus you shut a lot of ppl up

[minor dragon]

BK is basically the Kilo but just with worse recoil

[stray rapids]

Usually worse bsa too

But you use gran

I'm not sure the exact values tho

[vernal nimbus]

No problem, I’m glad I could help

[vernal nimbus]

Why is my accuracy the same in 2 screenshots

[minor dragon]

It'd be much closer with the granulated

[stray rapids]

Definitely

[jade rover]

Consistency 🤷

But yeah that’s a bit of a coincidence

[stray rapids]

But because i hate bk i will come up with any arguement to discredit it

[minor dragon]

I love the BK so fuck you lol

[stray rapids]

15 more bullets on kilo

[jade rover]

Three games all within one percentage point

[minor dragon]

Jk

[odd orbit]

Dlq?

[stray rapids]

Fuck you too

[odd orbit]

Any clase for Dql?

[lean frost]

I like peacekeeper
Flop both of you 👍

[odd orbit]

Dlq*

[cunning rapids]

Yes

[stray rapids]

Pk my old bae

[odd orbit]

:000

[stray rapids]

I used to love pk so much

[odd orbit]

Where?

[cunning rapids]

@odd orbit

[stray rapids]

Pk would've been the only gun i could win 1v1s with

[minor dragon]

I like EM2 so flop the entire codm fanbase

[stray rapids]

Now i replace with m13

[odd orbit]

Tanks

[lean frost]

My Stories the opposite
I never really liked it when it released
But recently I've been really liking it

Even after that one nerf

[stray rapids]

After the change sound and nerf strafe

It was never the same

Actually, probably even before the meta

When they recoil buffed it

Somehow made pk worse for me

[minor dragon]

PK is very competitive with the current meta imo

[stray rapids]

I would've liked to see how pk me wld fair against 117 and hvk me

[minor dragon]

It didn't deserve the nerf IMO

[lean frost]

3.74 m/s is still very solid for a AR doe

I think most recent Nerf was range

It was a very small nerf tho iirc

[stray rapids]

Pk is still definitely a good gun

[minor dragon]

A slight one i think

[stray rapids]

Buff

[lean frost]

Looks seckssy

[stray rapids]

Buffed to 34m 5 shot irc

[lean frost]

Wait
It was a buff?

[cunning rapids]

Forgot u were even elite

[lean frost]

[lean frost]

Very pog

[stray rapids]

Hard to find a reason to use pk when there's a hvk meta and 4m strafing m13

[cunning rapids]

Hvk sucks in my opinion

[stray rapids]

Ofc pk is arguably a better flex than m13

[cunning rapids]

drh and ak117 better

[stray rapids]

Make sure it stays as opinion

😠

[minor dragon]

PK is way more practical than the HVK.

[cunning rapids]

[stray rapids]

I beg to differ

[minor dragon]

40 vs 29. You decide

[vernal nimbus]

29 in this situation haha

[stray rapids]

😠

When 29 gurantees 5 shot infinite with potential 3 shots to 14m without boost, while maintaining top tier mobility for arse

[jade rover]

Damn I got destroyed by bot

[stray rapids]

Bruh the cancel mark almost invisibke

[lean frost]

I like using it over M13 becuz

1. I have a natual hatred towards the M13
2. 4 stk, better bsa n performance at range

[vernal nimbus]

Lmfao i seen that

[stray rapids]

Why u showing agr insted of pk

[jade rover]

I’m not writing that out again

[stray rapids]

Oh wait nvm

I blind

[lean frost]

It was the only image I had which showed the dropoffs and bsa
Soo

[stray rapids]

I use m13 now mainly because of better range and ease of use

[jade rover]

Very first four games with brand new build. Super consistent and crazy stats. From LWuhan, but still, this has to be well above average. Replaced sights with sleight of hand and final game 20 killstreak.

[stray rapids]

Pk was feeling so strange ut actually made me bad at it

[vernal nimbus]

@jade rover I forgot to mention I had to pick up a cbr. As you can see I ran out of bullets because they ate them all

[stray rapids]

Meanwhile pk does have the advantage of having flex ar ttk

[jade rover]

How many kills with CBR?

[errant gulch]

Cbr is good

[vernal nimbus]

Maybe 4-5?

[jade rover]

Tbh it’s so consistent with other games

[jade rover]

Right

[lean frost]

27 ms
I could only dream

[stray rapids]

M13 would've been a massive L flex ar if not for compensating in every other category

[whole moss]

trash wifi moment

[lean frost]

[whole moss]

20 Ms for life

[stray rapids]

Try 10ms

[jade rover]

Nobody even acknowledging the build lol, oh well

Anyway whos got some spicy builds themselves?

[timber idol]

mh peacekeeper looks so different here

[lean frost]

Try sitting inside Activision 's server rooms

👍

[timber idol]

my crazy hud

your thoughts homies

[vernal nimbus]

Thanks for pointing that out

I dont notice my ms ever

I dont even notice my hud is there sometimes

[timber idol]

lmao ksp be looking goofy😂😂

lmao same

i just play

and i dont fucking know if its even there

[jolly linden]

Does anyone have a fast adds loadout for a locus?

[whole moss]

poggo woggo ping

[timber idol]

default hud??, your not gona progress very much with that

[jade rover]

~30ms is normal

[whole moss]

are you blind?

[jade rover]

I wouldn’t be happy if it got over 50ms

[whole moss]

that's not the default hud

[timber idol]

fuck it looks so default tho

[whole moss]

my aim button is literally on the bottom left

[timber idol]

its been so long that i forgot how the default even looks like 😂😂

[stray rapids]

My old flame😔

[lean frost]

Fr this time

[vernal nimbus]

I wonder if this will shock anyone

[timber idol]

man i want the plasma explosion for locus but i accidentally spent my credits on stupid shit and i never realized it was there

[vernal nimbus]

This is my sprint sensitivity i use to walk

[whole moss]

yo we have the same sens

[odd orbit]

What is the meta?

[whole moss]

krig

[timber idol]

yea better not mess with it to much , sensy is sensitive

[jade rover]

I run that but horizontal recoil grip

[vernal nimbus]

I mastered it

[timber idol]

kn44 apparently the new krig 6

[whole moss]

krig 6/kn44 holger, pp19 bizon, fennec, koshka/rytec/sks, mx9/switchbladex9, m13, drh, kilo 141 and chopper

[timber idol]

according to bobby plays and ferg

[jade rover]

It’s very strong yeah

[whole moss]

honestly any sniper is meta imo
not including the na45

[timber idol]

kn44 beats the krig now tho

[vernal nimbus]

Pro recoil control

[timber idol]

so go for kn

[jade rover]

I still think I’ve got the god gun but time will tell

[whole moss]

not rlly

[jade rover]

How

[timber idol]

cool

[whole moss]

it's good yes

[jade rover]

That’s ridiculous

[lean frost]

Me when M21 Ebr is meta

[timber idol]

compare the best kn44 build and to the krig and find that damage multiplier is much more than before giving it the possibility to 2 tap actross one head shot and chest shot

[whole moss]

man i keep forgetting about ebr

[timber idol]

while the krig can only 3 tap

[cosmic vessel]

That is the most accurate long range CBR4 build I've ever seen (the Diamond camo gives it another positive)

[odd orbit]

Any class for kn44?

[timber idol]

so the kn44 officially the new no.1 meta

ig

[whole moss]

mono, owc ranger, 44 round mag, owc tac, no stock

[vernal nimbus]

When it becomes the most used ar then yes

[odd orbit]

Thanks

[cosmic vessel]

Wait I thought Kilo was the meta AR?

[timber idol]

well its cuz people still have faith in other guns like myself even tho kn is the new meta i have not used it even once yet

the only semi meta i’ve tried thats new is the lk24

@vernal nimbus

[lean frost]

Wut

[whole moss]

bye

[lean frost]

I'm pretty sure 29 x 1.5 is not 65.2

[whole moss]

anything ferg related makes me cringe and die

[lean frost]

Unless I'm miss calculating something

[whole moss]

no hate on ferg though

it's just his builds are slow

[timber idol]

u know fergs one of the actual og players from day 1

[odd orbit]

Bidón any class?

Bizon any clas

[ruby iris]

Kn is statistically better than krig, but krig is miles easier to use

[lean frost]

also KN can't 2 tap even with 2 headshots
So i sue for false advertising

[vernal nimbus]

I have a new goal

[whole moss]

good for him ig, but that doesn't help with how stupid his builds are

[worldly shard]

Anyone interested in making 💸 dm me to join my classes

[vernal nimbus]

I want to nuke 10 players in this server

[odd orbit]

:v

[ruby iris]

Top 5 ar is prolly krig, kilo, hvk, m16 wf and m13

[odd orbit]

Bizon class pls

[lean frost]

start with catgang

[ruby iris]

[vernal nimbus]

4/10 rn

[timber idol]

lmao

[lean frost]

where does oden place on that list

[stray rapids]

117 6

[worldly shard]

Anyone interested in making 💸 dm me to join my classes

[stray rapids]

Bottom

[vernal nimbus]

Then you

[lean frost]

yes

[whole moss]

lmfao

[ruby iris]

Very low, impractical as hell

[lean frost]

Wut abt PK

[timber idol]

kreuger do you recommend the oden on br?

[whole moss]

Oden in br is

[stray rapids]

Quite high

[whole moss]

really something

[lean frost]

I do no play BR
So i can't recommend anything for BR

[odd orbit]

Mx9 class? Pls

[stray rapids]

@ruby iris 117 or pk

Decade long question

[lean frost]

at the end M13 will be chosen anyway👍

[timber idol]

ricey?? how bout u do u recommend it for br?

[ruby iris]

Isnt pk just a standard 710 rpm flex ar? But it has good ads and flinch?

[whole moss]

can swap out foregrip for infiltrator fg, infiltrator fg is better but harder to use

[ruby iris]

Are they comparable?

[stray rapids]

Quite hard to tell honestly, pk is the only one who fulfills all requirements of a flex ar

[ruby iris]

[timber idol]

i was literally about to send the same build

[stray rapids]

Most people i asked say 117 is a flex

117 does have good sprint speed

[jade rover]

@ruby iris did you see my build?

[stray rapids]

Faster than i thought

[ruby iris]

I'd say 117 is main, since shit strafe

[ruby iris]

Nope

[lean frost]

Despite me liking PK more
I kinda want rice to say 117 is better since I got balloons for it

[stray rapids]

Literally all sod people say it a flex, even malfas

[jade rover]

He replaced Holo with SoH as he likes irons. Very first four games.

[ruby iris]

Hmm

[whole moss]

congratulations on balloons

[stray rapids]

I just tried pk, i really can't 😔

[timber idol]

@ruby iris …..

[jade rover]

Look at that monster, consistent too

[ruby iris]

Funky build

[jade rover]

Like a tectonic kilo I guess

[ruby iris]

Yes

[jade rover]

But it’s insane like people didn’t trust me ; it is seriously the god gun

[stray rapids]

I beg to agree

[timber idol]

m13 with a holographic sight

[ruby iris]

If you can somehow have perfect aim and never miss

[jade rover]

That’s my skill issue

I hate irons

[timber idol]

so no in short

[timber idol]

lmaoo

[ruby iris]

[jade rover]

I mean I like some

But in general I don’t like them

[cosmic vessel]

Ngl after I get the Diamond skin for the Kilo, I'm switching to the CBR4

[timber idol]

[lean frost]

dam colour burst too

[jade rover]

I’m not a gunfighter Im more map awareness

[stray rapids]

I am og player

[stray rapids]

Camper

[jade rover]

Not at all

[stray rapids]

[jade rover]

I can’t stand camping

[lean frost]

I got my balloons from a free crate

[ruby iris]

There are better options for main ar, compared to m13

[whole moss]

me when this is the only ak117 skin i have

[ruby iris]

M16 for example

[jade rover]

Three of the games all had average accuracy within 0.1% of 26.2%, the other was his first game and 19.7%. With sight his average KD was 3.05, without sight his average KD was 6.56. And again, the very first four games. I said it was the god gun and got trashed but it truly is. Not a coincidence these results were achieved.

[stray rapids]

That's what i told him🙄

[jade rover]

final game dropped a 20 killstreak (42 kills/5 deaths/17 assists)

[lean frost]

Is the "connecting to server" also a part of the skin

[stray rapids]

[jade rover]

At high legendary

Very first time using it

[whole moss]

Yeah

[lean frost]

Nice

[whole moss]

It's what makes it a leggy :Chad:

[timber idol]

bros the fastest man in the universe tf is this math class

[whole moss]

skill issue

[jade rover]

@ruby iris 🧐

[rich arch]

[jade rover]

Lol

[stray rapids]

A good player is able to perform 😱😱😱

[lean frost]

he's also the man who beat a fully decked out AGR with a no attached lapa so there's that

[ruby iris]

You can get better result with a better gun

[stray rapids]

With a one of the top ARs 😱😱

[ruby iris]

Like m16

[jade rover]

Does he average better than that?

No way does he average 4-5 KD

[lean frost]

Probably does

[whole moss]

skill issue for the dudette with a agr

[jade rover]

And his first two games were with sights which he dislikes

[timber idol]

[jade rover]

You can check

[lean frost]

No
The AGR user was great

[jade rover]

You refused to check his accuracy with other guns last time for some reason

[lean frost]

15-14
It was super close
Herbo is just too good

[jade rover]

But I bet it’s not 26%

[lean frost]

He's not on my friends list I don't think

[jade rover]

Oh

[lean frost]

Actually wait
I can just check it
normally
NVM
I'm dun

[jade rover]

My bad

I’m dumb and dumber idk how you do that

[jade rover]

@ruby iris you went quiet there

[cosmic vessel]

How to check gun accuracy

[jade rover]

Idk

[ruby iris]

@vernal nimbus can you try this for a few matches?

Optic is up to you

Can even replace it with tac laser

[lean frost]

He's career avg is 2.92

[whole moss]

wow

[cosmic vessel]

That person in your pfp is familiar

[jade rover]

@vernal nimbus if you use that build make it clear you’re not doing anymore and being a test dummy unless you like that thing

[cosmic vessel]

Is it a vtuber that's thief themed? @ruby iris

[rich arch]

[odd orbit]

Class for Dh

[tawny walrus]

Dh?

[odd orbit]

Drh*

[whole moss]

i think I'm using the wrong barrel

[jade rover]

Spot the difference 👀

[lean frost]

It's the right barrel

[jade rover]

Anyway I won’t go on

[whole moss]

yay

[jade rover]

Have done enough already

Damn the bot

[zealous badger]

Who did

[jade rover]

LWuhan

[zealous badger]

Is he good?

[jade rover]

With my build that people 💩 on and called me an idiot for etc (yesterday anyway)

Very good

[jade rover]

But these are both him virtually back to back.

[zealous badger]

This one?

[jade rover]

Yeah but he changed sight to SoH as he likes irons

I like the sight because skill issue with my aim

[zealous badger]

I might try it

[jade rover]

Won’t be disappointed, use the sight first imo

[zealous badger]

Bru why is my krig build getting dissed

[ruby iris]

Me when i turn a mid range flex ar into a main ar with mid mobility and ttk

[jade rover]

Seems to have worked

[lean frost]

FA fg
Marksman barrel

[stray rapids]

Do you see a mf trying to use match results to justify a statically bad build

[zealous badger]

Even the bot down voted it

[whole moss]

marksman barrel dawg

[lean frost]

Try this

[whole moss]

it does that tho

[jade rover]

How do you determine if a build is good?

[ruby iris]

You could have just pick a main ar and have better results yk

[zealous badger]

Try it bro it's good

[ruby iris]

[whole moss]

m8 pulled out a pk

[stray rapids]

Seeing the damn numbers on the stat page

[zealous badger]

It beams

[jade rover]

It also voted up as well. It does that to give people options to react

[lean frost]

It's good

[jade rover]

Ah right, much more reliable indicator than how it performs in-game

[zealous badger]

I'm joking

[zealous badger]

I was joking

[ruby iris]

This but unronically

[stray rapids]

You also have to take into account the skill and playstyle of teh player

[jade rover]

Fr? How can you say that

[ruby iris]

Skills can fluctuate, stat cant

[jade rover]

Yes and I compared him with himself back to back hardpoint ranked streaks

[stray rapids]

If is as godly a main ar as you say then it should've been used in comp

But it ain't

[jade rover]

26.3, 26.1, 26.1% accuracy

Final three games

[zealous badger]

Seriously someone try this pls and tell me their honest opinion i think it's good

[vernal nimbus]

Later

[jade rover]

Don’t be a test mule btw LWuhan

But they’re still trashing it

[vernal nimbus]

I do

[stray rapids]

You're building krig for the wrong stats

[jade rover]

Ty for testing mine tho ❤️

[stray rapids]

You literally used him as your test mule

[zealous badger]

Try it first

[jade rover]

Look at more recent comment

[zealous badger]

I find it better then taskforce

[jade rover]

Well first two games you had clunky sight tbf

[zealous badger]

I smack with it in ranked

[jade rover]

The other two you got 6.56 average @vernal nimbus

[stray rapids]

Krig isn't really the kind of gun you play at extreme ranges

[zealous badger]

Never said it was

But not alot of the maps are super close range

[stray rapids]

Then why you build recoil this much

[feral granite]

I forgor I have this gold
Best off-meta SMG

[stray rapids]

Oh yay purple

[zealous badger]

Because I play on more long range maps with window campers

[jade rover]

Surely not

[zealous badger]

Try it before you diss it

[ruby iris]

1.92 strafe and 315 ads

[lean frost]

Me purple when

[jade rover]

I’ll try it

[ruby iris]

Ye no

[stray rapids]

And i literally just said krig isn't the gun you build for range

[lean frost]

@uneven anchor competition for ur Cbr build

[zealous badger]

No idea what that means xd

[feral granite]

Have you used it?

[jade rover]

But I don’t see that

[zealous badger]

You said extreme

[jade rover]

No but I’m happy to try it

It looks awful but can’t judge until playing

[stray rapids]

Buddy you build krig with a shit ton of recoil and nuke mobility to pkm levels

[zealous badger]

Judge it after you play with it

[stray rapids]

Even if the ranges aren't extreme, you're building the gun extreme

[ruby iris]

If it looks awful in the stat page, it prolly is

[stray rapids]

I don't like the krig so i don't use

[zealous badger]

No idea what the stat page stuff means

[ruby iris]

Lesson learned through pain

[zealous badger]

What's your opinion on the best f2p krig then

[vernal nimbus]

Your build is good I won’t lie but ill test some of their builds just for the fun of it and see what is better

[stray rapids]

Agency supp, striker fg, mag b, lightweight stok, firm grip

[uneven anchor]

i will never be able to live this cbr down

[stray rapids]

Build and play krig as flex👍

[lean frost]

[zealous badger]

What about with sight

[stray rapids]

Foregrip to sight

[jade rover]

See what I don’t get is why would people have to say I can’t lie. I managed to make something really really strong. And initially got called an idiot. Thanks again btw

[lean frost]

@uneven anchor try

[lean frost]

Agency
Tfb
LW stock
Mag
Optic

[whole moss]

[zealous badger]

Fr

That m13 build looks good ngl

[uneven anchor]

fk pk

[whole moss]

me after trying pk

[uneven anchor]

les fkn go walter whit falling over gif

[jade rover]

I mean clearly. I told people before it’s very obvious this thing is insane. Then this top player goes and absolutely destroys using it, better than average and definitely when removing the sights he hated

It’s just so so obvious using it

[stray rapids]

You seek validation from this guy who clearly isn't experienced with good gunsmiths

Bravo

[jade rover]

Well I got called an idiot

[stray rapids]

Who

[jade rover]

Lemme find

[vernal nimbus]

His build is insanely good😂

[jade rover]

Not anyone here

[stray rapids]

Beamy yes

[jade rover]

Yeah it’s crazy good lol

[vernal nimbus]

in comparison to what idk

[ruby iris]

[vernal nimbus]

But im gonna see if u guys have better suggestions

[jade rover]

Try the M16 I guess

[vernal nimbus]

Alright

[jade rover]

But

[cobalt trout]

Supp ik its weird but
ZRG with Anti Vehicle Mag or Koshka with Fastest Ads Build?

[jade rover]

It’s kinda unfair for the M16

As you won’t use irons for that

[stray rapids]

No

Match their mobility

[vernal nimbus]

I used it up-close to mid range more

[jade rover]

And the first two games you used sight for the M13

[stray rapids]

Make that shit strafe 0.5m/s

[uneven anchor]

my old builds momen

[stray rapids]

If you were rushing with that build

[jade rover]

Basically there’s no way iron sight vs iron sight the M16 will win as you went off hard that last game

[stray rapids]

I can only congratulate you for being good

[jade rover]

So I think it’s unfair for ricey

[jade rover]

You really don’t want to acknowledge this build

I said before as well it is good up close too

[ruby iris]

Wait, so you made a negative mobility m13 for rushing?

[uneven anchor]

its bad build ngl

[ruby iris]

[jade rover]

Not for rushing

[ruby iris]

Tf?

[jade rover]

All I made

Was a minigun

[stray rapids]

2.36m strafe with 300ms ads and ttk close up that loses to flex ARs

Anything else?

[jade rover]

Preaim

[vernal nimbus]

I got nuketown so im not gonna count this first game

[uneven anchor]

araphainos cooking up dog water fr fr

[ruby iris]

@jade rover

[vernal nimbus]

Its starting rn tho

[stray rapids]

What if the flex ARs pre aim too

They have better strafe which gives then advantage of being harder to hit

[vernal nimbus]

Thats just my playstyle. I’m a slayer not a anchor

[jade rover]

Idk that’s not how I built it but even more reason to show it’s good, if it can do that with 300ms ADS time

[stray rapids]

They also have better ttk by 2 frames or more

[jade rover]

It’s a minigun simple as

[cobalt trout]

Hey bro is zrg with anti vehicle mag still good or should I use koshka?

[stray rapids]

And they're able to react faster by having less ads time

[ruby iris]

Zrg with armor piercer

[jade rover]

It’s annoying :/

[jade rover]

Sure but not a laser

And they get flinched to high hell

[cobalt trout]

Armor piercer sucks it's almost as the normal one like almost no change

[zealous badger]

Meh too much horizontal recoil for me and i have skulker on so i don't need light weight

[zealous badger]

Ye

[stray rapids]

If you're playing at flex ranges your beam advantage doesn't mean much

[ruby iris]

If you want ball to the wall rushing

[uneven anchor]

actually good but aimshake momen

[jade rover]

Not true imo

[stray rapids]

You act like slapping a ranger fg on a qq9 is gonna help you win cqb gunfights

[ruby iris]

Slap on a skin smh

[jade rover]

Either way with the iron sight model he got 26.1% accuracy and 6.56 KD

[uneven anchor]

p2w smh

[jade rover]

Sounds awful

[slate onyx]

Gunsmith for ak-47

[stray rapids]

Literally your only arguement who's variable cannot be kept constant

[jade rover]

@pallid ivy

[ruby iris]

Poor ppl problem smh

[rich arch]

@ruby iris can I get a qxr build please? For mp

[stray rapids]

Skill variations, enemy skill variations, map familiarity teammate skill and shit

[jade rover]

Let’s see how he does with M16 irons on hardpoint. Only comparing irons vs irons.

[slate onyx]

Can ya’ll give me gunsmith for ak-47. Ima go use stimshot, fast recovery and quickfix for fun

[jade rover]

He called the build insane dude why are you like this

[uneven anchor]

hes weird

[stray rapids]

We literally highlighted where your build was weak

[ruby iris]

Uhh, mono, light stock, tac laser, enhanced bolt, ext mag

[uneven anchor]

like me agr meta weird

[stray rapids]

At least @uneven anchor stopped being dumb

Maybe reflect why people call you idiot

[uneven anchor]

loll rare catgang W

[stray rapids]

Ls becoming rarer

[uneven anchor]

[stray rapids]

Like tectonic kilo build helped him win comp that doesn't mean it's the definitive best kilo build is it

Maybe it is the best kilo build to you

I dunno

I go sleep now

[jade rover]

Yes. So weak. Again. 26.1% accuracy 6.56 KD with irons model. Even including the sights model for a bigger sample size it’s extremely good stats by his standards too (wouldn’t call the gun insane otherwise). However it says 300ms ADS time and ADS movement speed is low so it’s bad

[stray rapids]

Gn

[ruby iris]

Mf cooked up this shit

[ruby iris]

@stray rapids

[jade rover]

Gn, make sure to use E45 for being so sore

[uneven anchor]

[stray rapids]

Mf still tryna justify his crap ass builds😭

[jade rover]

I disowned that fast

Not publicly

[uneven anchor]

this is definitely a early catgang momen

[jade rover]

But I just didn’t use it

[ruby iris]

Time to rig the kitchen with explosive smh

[jade rover]

Idk shotguns well

[stray rapids]

I'm done playing nice guy

[uneven anchor]

[jade rover]

When did you ever play nice?

[vernal nimbus]

This was a bad game, but they were more challenging but idk if we count this lmfao. I’ll go hard for you in the next few games ricey @ruby iris

[ruby iris]

No more cooking for anyone

[stray rapids]

I try to be nice but you're just so insufferable

[uneven anchor]

that was his nice side

[stray rapids]

You stick out like ogaed in cyg server but at least he can build😭😭😭

[uneven anchor]

Let me cook let me cook

[ruby iris]

@minor skiff

[jade rover]

I am a bit different I guess

[uneven anchor]

[ruby iris]

Cmere

[stray rapids]

Who he

That pfp looks so familiar

[ruby iris]

@stray rapids yes, we're doing this

[stray rapids]

Doing wot

I think i remember him from campers

[stray rapids]

Elaborate

[jade rover]

What have I done wrong

It’s fine when I’m trashed on but then I make something powerful and suddenly it becomes unbearable

[ruby iris]

Sod ppl

[jade rover]

Anyway this gunsmith competition is fun in a way

[uneven anchor]

giga cope m13

[whole moss]

"your m13 sucks and you should quit codm"

[jade rover]

That kinda thing

[stray rapids]

What's his importance supposed to be tho

[ruby iris]

Being egotistical after making a random build that a random player likes

[ruby iris]

He shits on everyone

[jade rover]

No. Being that way after being trashed on

[uneven anchor]

its ok i got blocked by rice momen for dog water takes you should be fine

[whole moss]

what

[ruby iris]

Like

How to solve not being trashed on:

Cook better shit

[uneven anchor]

i mean yeah people hated my kilo build

[ruby iris]

[uneven anchor]

its part of the process

36 downvotes on kilo momen

[jade rover]

But it looks good 🤷‍♂️

[uneven anchor]

[ruby iris]

Literally, just cook good shit and people wont trash on you

[jade rover]

Even if it were bad

Why trash someone

[whole moss]

look, i cooked something for once, any opinions?

[uneven anchor]

because funnie

[jade rover]

Trash the build

[uneven anchor]

i got smacked by this in high leggy..

[ruby iris]

Do you need me to break it down piece by piece where it's bad?

[jade rover]

Which btw performed amazingly and he’s now tryharding for your build

[ruby iris]

[whole moss]

rip

[uneven anchor]

so look good

[whole moss]

yay

officially a chef now fr

[uneven anchor]

i would maybe SoH to that one grip that gib hipfire maybe

but yes spicy culinary dish well done

[jade rover]

If you want but it shouldn’t be made about me (you never have done)

[vernal nimbus]

@ruby iris i have good news for you and @jade rover bad news for you

[jade rover]

Okay

[whole moss]

what grip the one with sprint to fire?

[jade rover]

I saw

That’s abnormal wth

46/1

You did say you’re tryharding tbf

[jade rover]

Just honestly idm if mine is worse

[stray rapids]

Get shit on by the only hope you had

[jade rover]

You’re a lovely person

[stray rapids]

🥰

[uneven anchor]

Nvm it doesnt have the grip

[whole moss]

lmao

[jade rover]

@vernal nimbus which feels better? Ofc you went off that game

[vernal nimbus]

You were watching? What’s your username

[jade rover]

I didn’t watch I just saw it come up on history

Sangara99

[jade rover]

Oh I see lol

Train angle holding

I really dm if mine is worse they’re both good I reckon

[vernal nimbus]

Well the m16 feels like it kills faster but idk

I like the m13 itself more

[jade rover]

That’s not a fair comparison tbh

[vernal nimbus]

I just went there to get a screenshot

[jade rover]

Still that map has insane power spots

[ruby iris]

M13 doesnt have the best ttk at range, due to shots to kill and bv, so building it for long range is already a bad thing

That build lacks way too much mobility for an aggressive player like @vernal nimbus

I could go into details but ehh

It's 00:43

[jade rover]

Like 46/1 is a power spot KD

[uneven anchor]

hipefiredge momen

[vernal nimbus]

Did you see the accuracy

[stray rapids]

@ruby iris i tried

[jade rover]

If you were to go to a tourney which would you use

[vernal nimbus]

Good question

[jade rover]

35% 😂

Insane game can’t lie

[uneven anchor]

@whole moss use extended light if your not aiming but hipfiring

[jade rover]

I’ll try that M16 out

[vernal nimbus]

Those guys were bad tho

[uneven anchor]

it give -% movement for no reason

[ruby iris]

@vernal nimbus do you strafe

[stray rapids]

@jade rover

[whole moss]

alright

[stray rapids]

I've asked that question before

[jade rover]

Also just why again

[stray rapids]

Amd came with a not so satisfactory answer

[jade rover]

Then this - it’s not nice

Pls stop

[stray rapids]

Nah i tell myself to be nice again

[vernal nimbus]

Lmfao yes. I don’t know how to stand still

[stray rapids]

Look at this

[uneven anchor]

then you will like AGR

[ruby iris]

Hold on, lemme cook up some crazy shit

[jade rover]

Yeah I see

[uneven anchor]

@vernal nimbus
Lightweight vs Skulker
whats the best perk

[ruby iris]

Behold, the comp smg

Hardscope to your heart's content

[uneven anchor]

wtf

[ruby iris]

And you have disable to back it up

[uneven anchor]

thats poggin

[vernal nimbus]

Idk, im the type to use skulker on a sks but sometimes lightweight on a slow ar?

[uneven anchor]

[ruby iris]

@stray rapids look at this shit i cooked

[stray rapids]

And yes, it has been mentioned before that if kilo didn't exist, m16 would be the main ar used in comp. Massive range, good damage, good bsa, hitscan, fire rate that isn't too bad

[ruby iris]

[uneven anchor]

i mean slow guns skulker dont do much

[stray rapids]

It actually looks so comp ngl

[vernal nimbus]

Still the slightest extra strafe I like

[jade rover]

LWuhan would you be up for this? Me and pong each give you a build. You play 5 games for each. If a team is awful that’s discounted as well as the highest scoring match for the other gun. I’ll give you something for the favour if you like

[uneven anchor]

Baaased

[jade rover]

My submission

[vernal nimbus]

Later

[jade rover]

Kk

Can I send you something?

[vernal nimbus]

Yeah

[jade rover]

Like do you have battle pass or what

[ruby iris]

My thingy

[vernal nimbus]

Nah

[stray rapids]

Sadly kalo also says val isn't good for comp

[vernal nimbus]

Ass

[jade rover]

Idm what result is, I just genuinely think my build is better

[vernal nimbus]

Asval is annoying to use

[stray rapids]

I can't help with that anymore

I give up completely

[jade rover]

Also LWuhan - TDM

That’s the fairest evaluation

[vernal nimbus]

That’ll mean less kills

[stray rapids]

Beyond salvation

[jade rover]

For both guns yeah

But for gunplay it’s the purest mode

[stray rapids]

Honestly why even compare m13 and m16

[minor skiff]

wrong alpha

[stray rapids]

They're nothing alike

[ruby iris]

Smh

[ocean canyon]

2nd place dude is either hacking or exploiting...not sure, he had the lmg on his back while infected, and he had spectre head on a Ronin body...

[rich arch]

heheheha

[jade rover]

@vernal nimbus add me so I can send BP activation card

Appreciate this no matter the result

[vernal nimbus]

You’ll have to wait 3 days

[jade rover]

I sent a request

[vernal nimbus]

Or something

[jade rover]

Wdym

[rich arch]

yeah

[vernal nimbus]

Doesn’t it take a while before you can send gifts

[jade rover]

Idk add me anyway

Will see

[rich arch]

@jade rover ya gotta have him as a friend for at least 3 days for you to send him the card

[vernal nimbus]

No problem