I dont have any of them unfortunately didnt get lucky
#codm-discussion
gritty basin
snow spoke
Anyone wanna join a new clan 
elder niche
gritty basin
Guys i got golden bull prize fighters on my first try when it came out
drowsy shale
If not the type 19 then is DRH comparable
drowsy shale
I personally dont like drh cause of the 25 round mag
gritty basin
The DRH is so op but i dont use it idk why
snow spoke
<#1354932783331545200>
I'm not promoting I'm asking
drowsy shale
but when i use the ram 7 i dont find it to be that great
grizzled halo
I personally dont like drh cause of the 25 round mag
No ammo management
drowsy shale
i just find myself doing like 22 dmg for anything a bit further away
grizzled halo
I'm not promoting I'm asking
Best way to get people to join is to promote it
ocean granite
https://tenor.com/view/right-now-it%E2%80%99s-just-that-everything-feels-right-s...
are you gonna take another hiatus
tardy anvil
I feel like it's a drh that shoots faster, has the same ttk but more forgiving, less recoil, and a big ass mag
elder niche
are you gonna take another hiatus
What’s that?
drowsy shale
Although I will admit I dont use monolithic suppressor because its bugged currently
snow spoke
Best way to get people to join is to promote it
No asking while u chat is the best way
gritty basin
I feel like it's a drh that shoots faster, has the same ttk but more forgiving, ...
Its got barely any recoil
tardy anvil
it's bugged?
ocean granite
What’s that?
break
tardy anvil
Its got barely any recoil
yeah, and all vertical too
drowsy shale
and that really throws me off in gunfights
elder niche
break<:sadge:812695384198873108>
In 5 hours.
ocean granite
Although I will admit I dont use monolithic suppressor because its bugged curren...
on what?
tardy anvil
the firing sound skips
oh interesting
drowsy shale
yeah weighing the options youre right it is a top 3 AR
tardy anvil
well just use tac suppressor
gritty basin
yeah, and all vertical too
Me personally i love a little vertical recoil it helps with headshots
tardy anvil
I still think oden is big time overrated
drowsy shale
and tac doesnt help damage range
gritty basin
I still think oden is big time overrated
I AGREE
tardy anvil
mono is bad on ram7 though
drowsy shale
the oden's ceiling is the best in the game
drowsy shale
i find it much better than ram 7
drowsy shale
yeah actually maybe type 63
tardy anvil
all of them
grizzled halo
the oden's ceiling is the best in the game
But a huge penalty for missing
tardy anvil
they all have higher ceiling
drowsy shale
but for autos even burst guns cant beat that 2 shot kill
snow spoke
all of them
Echo ig
gritty basin
but for autos even burst guns cant beat that 2 shot kill
Snipers tho
tardy anvil
but I'm especially thinking about by15 slug and argus
gritty basin
Also ska CLEARS oden
drowsy shale
most people arent unbeatable with snipers
gritty basin
Sks*
drowsy shale
come on now
tardy anvil
most people arent unbeatable with snipers
most people aren't unbeatable with oden
drowsy shale
oden is just sks but easier
tardy anvil
in fact oden is so "not that good" that barely anyone in comp uses it
gritty basin
oden is just sks but easier
No sks shoots faster
drowsy shale
but its much easier to reach a level where you're at a big advantage with the oden
velvet walrus
Sks is more passive than oden
tardy anvil
like you literally have higher usage for bloody nerfed mag drh and uss9 than oden
in stage 5 comp
gritty basin
Is there a mythic sks if so i want it
tardy anvil
so dont pull "it requires skill" card
grizzled halo
M1 garand is basically the oden, but semi auto and I think has slightly better multipliers
tardy anvil
i dont pay attention to comp but thats strange
I mean people don't like it just because of how inconsistent it is
drowsy shale
thats the thing full auto is much better than semi auto
drowsy shale
I mean people don't like it just because of how inconsistent it is
the 2 tap only requires above hip no?
tardy anvil
the 2 tap only requires above hip no?
only up to like 22m though
drowsy shale
and i find that its really good in close combat
grizzled halo
thats the thing full auto is much better than semi auto
Not if you have somewhat fast fingers
tardy anvil
so realistically you're competing against cqc smgs
snow spoke
drowsy shale
the play style between oden and DMRs is completely different
gritty basin
Amy 4 finger can easily use sks
tardy anvil
and the slow firerate makes it just... bad in close range
drowsy shale
so realistically you're competing against cqc smgs
and much of the time it actually dominates i find
especially if you have the setting that fires immediately as you touch the fire button
gritty basin
Oden (vs) vmp close range vmp clears
tardy anvil
and much of the time it actually dominates i find
only if your opponents is just standing out in the open for some reason
snow spoke
Guys which device should I get
drowsy shale
because your shots land almost accidentally a lot of the time
fluid light
Oden (vs) vmp close range vmp clears
That is a terrible comparison.
tardy anvil
aka, oden is only good at destroying bad players
drowsy shale
only if your opponents is just standing out in the open for some reason
not that hard to track them
elder niche
tardy anvil
which isn't a great trait
gritty basin
That is a terrible comparison.
He said oden was good for close range
tardy anvil
not that hard to track them
yeah, except they're headglitching
drowsy shale
or if youre aiming down sights in their general direction
tardy anvil
and your slow firerate is almost for sure going to screw you
snow spoke
Bruh
drowsy shale
if someone is headglitching then they have an inherent advantage and no gun will save you
tardy anvil
or if youre aiming down sights in their general direction
that's not how cqc fights work though
snow spoke
Guyyyzs
gritty basin
Lets just admit it the garu is the best gun in the game
tardy anvil
if someone is headglitching then they have an inherent advantage and no gun will...
a fast firinig one has a much better shot
snow spoke
Guys which device should I get
...
tardy anvil
Guys which device should I get
get a tablet
drowsy shale
you cant compare headglitching because youre going against a player who has a terrain advantage
snow spoke
get a tablet
Which
grizzled halo
Lets just admit it the garu is the best gun in the game
The delusion is real
snow spoke
Wait nooo
tardy anvil
you cant compare headglitching because youre going against a player who has a te...
thing is, there are guns that are better against challenging headglitches
drowsy shale
if they're headglitching you can land the 72 dmg headshot anyway
snow spoke
S25 ultra is op for codm
Bruh 120dolla price range
gritty basin
@snow spoke s23 and s25 is cheeper but may run hot
tardy anvil
and the ability to challenge headglitches I think, is probably the most important stat
drowsy shale
especially with the mythic
gritty basin
Bruh 120dolla price range
Then s35 for sure
drowsy shale
if you get into a fight with a headglitcher you're not playing right anyway
tardy anvil
since if you're playing against good players, everybody will be behind cover basically all the time
snow spoke
Then s35 for sure
Ummm hmm lessee
gritty basin
Ummm hmm lessee
I ment s23 ultra Samsung
tardy anvil
if you get into a fight with a headglitcher you're not playing right anyway
complete disagree there. if you're not playing against headglitches, then the enemy team has no idea what they're doing
gritty basin
You csn find them for less than 200$
snow spoke
I ment s23 ultra Samsung
But wat about the cmf 2
amber sphinx
You csn find them for less than 200$
bro what
gritty basin
But wat about the cmf 2
Never heard of it
amber sphinx
has to be used
drowsy shale
complete disagree there. if you're not playing against headglitches, then the en...
you will occasionally but using map knowledge you should avoid that situation at all costs
snow spoke
has to be used
True
snow spoke
Never heard of it
💀
gritty basin
No the s23 ultra is like 4 years old
gritty basin
Its cheep
tardy anvil
you will occasionally but using map knowledge you should avoid that situation at...
again, if they know what they're doing, you literally cannot
snow spoke
No the s23 ultra is like 4 years old
It ain't cheap
drowsy shale
because at that point you will lose the gunfight by default unless your aim is substantially better than theirs
gritty basin
aint no way it’s that cheap
Its 4 years old 🥀😭💔
tardy anvil
they post up holds
velvet walrus
120 bucks wont get any decent gameplay on codm
tardy anvil
if they're just out about running around, then they're not that good
drowsy shale
it also slightly depends on the gamemode
amber sphinx
Its 4 years old 🥀😭💔
bro, iphone 11, costs around 200 what are you on about 😭
tardy anvil
because at that point you will lose the gunfight by default unless your aim is s...
well no, if you can beam them, then it's an even fight
gritty basin
if they're just out about running around, then they're not that good
FAX I hate ppl running using movement then missing all shots
amber sphinx
and that even used not new
snow spoke
120 bucks wont get any decent gameplay on codm
Idc
drowsy shale
well no, if you can beam them, then it's an even fight
but they dont need to beam you
and you cant beam someone every single time
elder niche
Shawarma.
tardy anvil
if both sides are good enough that regular headglitches don't deter, then it's balanced
snow spoke
It's better than this brick
tardy anvil
and you cant beam someone every single time
sure, but some guns are better at it than others
gritty basin
bro, iphone 11, costs around 200 what are you on about 😭
Iphone is over priced gng Samsung actually likes its customers 💔😭🥀✌️
tardy anvil
which is why I think raw ttk is a horrible measure of a gun's performance
drowsy shale
think about how many body shots you land in a normal gunfight, then remove the possibility of those
snow spoke
Ill switch with anything better than this phone 😭
velvet walrus
It's better than this brick
Just keep stacking ur gonna have to swap phones again if u buy now
drowsy shale
which is why I think raw ttk is a horrible measure of a gun's performance
thats a hot take
amber sphinx
Iphone is over priced gng Samsung actually likes its customers 💔😭🥀✌️
you’re not wrong there
tardy anvil
it should be something more like
"average ttk at taking someone off a headglitch", across many trials
lunar edge
Noobies
amber sphinx
https://tenor.com/view/anime-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-satoru-gif-11266806221853937193
BRO IS BACK WHAT
velvet walrus
Iphone is over priced gng Samsung actually likes its customers 💔😭🥀✌️
By removing features
amber sphinx
welcome i guess
velvet walrus
tardy anvil
that's why drh is still so peak
snow spoke
Just keep stacking ur gonna have to swap phones again if u buy now
I'm one third way there to 100
tardy anvil
even though on paper there's like 15 guns better than it
drowsy shale
I actually find the ICR Innovator to be really good at killing headglitchers
gritty basin
you’re not wrong there
My phone came with a case earbuds charger and charger box lol iphone just comes with the phone
tardy anvil
because drh has that ability to beam the crap out of headglitches
drowsy shale
it should be something more like
"average ttk at taking someone off a headglitc...
too bad its hard to quantify that
snow spoke
amber sphinx
My phone came with a case earbuds charger and charger box lol iphone just comes ...
which one is it? to be sure???
tardy anvil
too bad its hard to quantify that
well, going out there and testing the guns kinda helps
calm cargo
My phone came with a case earbuds charger and charger box lol iphone just comes ...
I remember when iPhones came with all that too
tardy anvil
which is something I swear no gunsmither does for some reason
gritty basin
which one is it? to be sure???
Wym my phone?
snow spoke
Hungry for new device
amber sphinx
Wym my phone?
yea which one is it
tardy anvil
they just look at stats in a vacuum
drowsy shale
gunsmith people focus too much on statistics
gritty basin
I remember when iPhones came with all that too <:sadcat:740970085836914778>
Fr back when iphone was actually good now they just a big scam
velvet walrus
gritty basin
yea which one is it
S24
drowsy shale
general feel is subjective and hard to measure but it means a lot
tardy anvil
gunsmith people focus too much on statistics
I think stats are the correct things to focus on
tardy anvil
what matters more is which stats
snow spoke
🥀
elder niche
BRO IS BACK WHAT
drowsy shale
I think stats are the correct things to focus on
but most of them focus only on stats
gritty basin
how much was it
Abat 1200 im paying on it still
tardy anvil
most gunsmithers make the fatal mistake of not considering important non-quantitative stats
drowsy shale
except kith he actually doesn't
amber sphinx
https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-satoru-satoru-gojo-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-14813...
bleh
calm cargo
gunsmith people focus too much on statistics
Why wouldn’t they? They give best build for weapon in general
If you want more specific ask for it
tardy anvil
just because it's not a number doesn't mean it's not important
snow spoke
Why wouldn’t they? They give best build for weapon in general
If you want more ...
True
amber sphinx
Abat 1200 im paying on it still
so it WAS 1200 and you saying 200
drowsy shale
Why wouldn’t they? They give best build for weapon in general
If you want more ...
im talking more about weapon comparisons
snow spoke
Everyone should
tardy anvil
very good examples are aim shake and ironsight
amber sphinx
put the fries in the bag bro
tardy anvil
people classify the ironsight as "useable" or "not"
drowsy shale
aim shake, iron sight, even ads animation
gritty basin
so it WAS 1200 and you saying 200
Noooo s23 is cheep not s24 and i got mine when it was brand new s24s are like 800$ now
tardy anvil
and aimshake as "bad" or "not bad"
velvet walrus
🍟 
tardy anvil
except no, those are a sliding scale
drowsy shale
ads animation is actually underrated
amber sphinx
Noooo s23 is cheep not s24 and i got mine when it was brand new s24s are like 80...
ohh okay
amber sphinx
🍟 <a:Jbr_bag:1275377080216977491>
exactly lmao 😭
drowsy shale
big example is uss 9 vs. msmc, msmc ads animation feels significantly worse
tardy anvil
a better ironsight like drh bloodrose over a mere usable one like kilo141 base matters way more than "5ms ttk or 5% bsa"
calm cargo
Any new gun i should try out
Vergo 
tranquil tusk
tardy anvil
but no gunsmither is going to take that into acount
snow spoke
Vergo <:doggy:840574857535553546>
How is it
snow spoke
https://tenor.com/view/cavemanspongebob-caveman-spongebob-react-whatreact-gif-20...
Ayy
velvet walrus
Damn
tranquil tusk
Ooga booga
gritty basin
Its 3am and i gotta get up at 8am
tardy anvil
so you have horrible horrible takes like... certain gunsmithers
drowsy shale
some dude in here was once saying that iron sights give no advantage whatsoever even if its a trash one vs. a really good one
snow spoke
Mid but fun customization
Aah lesseee
tardy anvil
some dude in here was once saying that iron sights give no advantage whatsoever ...
yeah. I personally couldn't disagree more
drowsy shale
trying to say that its all about crosshair placement
drowsy shale
there's an undeniable difference in usability between like default krig and mythic krig
amber sphinx
Damn
base one isn’t good for gaming, my cousin has the s22 and his gyroscope doesn’t even work 🥀
gritty basin
base one isn’t good for gaming, my cousin has the s22 and his gyroscope doesn’t ...
My cousin uses the s23 its good for codm id recommend a phone cooler tho
velvet walrus
base one isn’t good for gaming, my cousin has the s22 and his gyroscope doesn’t ...
Who uses gyro
snow spoke
Who uses gyro <:floppy:1252947646822219868>
True
gritty basin
I use a phone cooler with my s24
amber sphinx
My cousin uses the s23 its good for codm id recommend a phone cooler tho
nahh it also got heating issues?
gritty basin
nahh it also got heating issues?
More tech = more heat gng
gritty basin
More heat = better phone 😭
amber sphinx
Who uses gyro <:floppy:1252947646822219868>
he is a gyro abuser for some reason, he was dissapointed seeing his gyro not even work properly 😭
tardy anvil
some dude in here was once saying that iron sights give no advantage whatsoever ...
ik tfking still holds to that
verbal musk
Its hilarious
tardy anvil
and maybe, some people don't get affected
but I personally get affected big time by that
amber sphinx
More tech = more heat gng
hmmmm
drowsy shale
ik tfking still holds to that
Yeah I cant remotely see how someone would think that
tardy anvil
playstyle, device, idk
drowsy shale
even if you have elite crosshair placement, you cant deny the obstruction of a bad iron sight
velvet walrus
Forgot samsung pick this as low budget
tardy anvil
I feel like there's a massive difference
jolly tapir
Today is my birthday can y’all give me nitro pls
gritty basin
hmmmm
The new s25 my mom has it it can get over 95° and ts HELLA fast i mean you click on anything your there before you even click 😭🥀
drowsy shale
its undeniable that you are at a disadvantage when part of the sight blocks your view in comparison to a better one
tardy anvil
even if you have elite crosshair placement, you cant deny the obstruction of a b...
most people think it's just "usable" vs "not usable"
like people would exclude stuff like krig6 and lapa
but "the rest are fine"
velvet walrus
Today is my birthday can y’all give me nitro pls
tardy anvil
or "the ironsight is fine....."
gritty basin
https://tenor.com/view/nitro-rick-roll-gif-24863685
This is mine now
tardy anvil
same thing goes for recoil
people have such ridiculously low standards for recoil it boggles my mind
like do you actually play the game? or do you shoot training target dummies?
gritty basin
Well guys ima gts bai
tardy anvil
Well guys ima gts bai
gn
drowsy shale
like what peacekeeper
fluid light
Sleep well homie 👍
tardy anvil
even guns like fennec
snow spoke
Well guys ima gts bai
👌🏻
tardy anvil
asval
tardy anvil
vmp even
snow spoke
Ill be in your closet
💀
velvet walrus
Ill be in your closet
jolly tapir
https://tenor.com/view/nitro-rick-roll-gif-24863685
How show me pls
amber sphinx
The new s25 my mom has it it can get over 95° and ts HELLA fast i mean you click...
trade your mums phone with yours 😭
tardy anvil
like if your standard is "you can hit someone 20m wide in the open and full body" of course any gun will do the trick
calm cargo
How funis it<@1152201146983788604>
Very fun
tardy anvil
but try pulling an asval on me headglitching and let's see how that goes
tardy anvil
I can probably win with a pistol
gritty basin
trade your mums phone with yours 😭
Hell no she uses ts like a super computer my mom ainy your typical old person she actually knows phones
amber sphinx
LMAO
jolly tapir
https://tenor.com/view/nitro-rick-roll-gif-24863685
Howewwwwwww
lyric flower
Sup yall
velvet walrus
By clicking on it
lyric flower
Anybody wanna 1v1?
velvet walrus
drowsy shale
horizontal recoil is the most problematic obviously
tardy anvil
all the dudes running that mono no stock laser mag gran grip kilo build
gritty basin
Anybody wanna 1v1?
Dm me tmr when i wake up ill 1v1 rn i gotta sleep
tardy anvil
like mate, nice shipment loadout
snow spoke
horizontal recoil is the most problematic obviously
Vertical
lyric flower
horizontal recoil is the most problematic obviously
Xm4 has vertical only, it is the easiest weapon to control
amber sphinx
Hell no she uses ts like a super computer my mom ainy your typical old person sh...
breh
gritty basin
GOODNIGHT
velvet walrus
Bye
drowsy shale
This is why i dont use the kilo, its not exceptional and has a recoil issue
jolly tapir
Someone pls gift me nitro it’s my birthday
short finch
Someone pls gift me nitro it’s my birthday
tardy anvil
This is why i dont use the kilo, its not exceptional and has a recoil issue
the range is also miserable compared to today's standards
drowsy shale
Xm4 has vertical only, it is the easiest weapon to control
Haven't even noticed that tbh
snow spoke
Someone pls gift me nitro it’s my birthday
U can get banned for begging
lyric flower
Haven't even noticed that tbh
It's awesome to use with high scopes
tardy anvil
Xm4 has vertical only, it is the easiest weapon to control
I don't think so...
I think that was type19
lyric flower
I think that was type19
Nope
drowsy shale
I always thought the xm4 had bad strafe speed, but its not that bad anymore
lyric flower
tardy anvil
very balanced yes
lyric flower
See?
drowsy shale
Like the meta holger used to be
tardy anvil
oh what the heck>
lyric flower
Xm4 just goes up
drowsy shale
had that one stock that gave insane strafe speed
tardy anvil
wait hang on are you using a grip?
lyric flower
wait hang on are you using a grip?
That type-19 is basic
amber sphinx
oh what the heck>
i’ve heared this line before…idk where
velvet walrus
Someone pls gift me nitro it’s my birthday
Thank @zealous fiber for the gift
lyric flower
wait hang on are you using a grip?
Xm4 has a sniper build
tardy anvil
??
lyric flower
I mean long range build
drowsy shale
if that was the case with no grip thats nuts
lyric flower
and take anotehr picture
Both basic
lyric flower
This one has no attachments for either
drowsy shale
gonna have to use xm4 a bit more now
lyric flower
since when?
Idk I noticed it and xm4 is awesome
drowsy shale
shit is a laser beam
tardy anvil
Idk I noticed it and xm4 is awesome
I did also feel that xm4 felt better this time
no wonder
jolly tapir
@zealous fiber can you gift me nitro
lyric flower
they literally broke the gun
Bro check the Maddox out too
snow spoke
Guys
lyric flower
Bro check the Maddox out too
This isn't basic tho
drowsy shale
Damn what other guns are like this
lyric flower
It has attachments
zealous fiber
Thank <@925001679928168458> for the gift
Np
tardy anvil
Bro check the Maddox out too
what....
lyric flower
Damn what other guns are like this
Idk I only found 2
snow spoke
Wdy think about the dinho
drowsy shale
as long as it doesnt harm mobility too much its fine
tardy anvil
wait are you hacking?
velvet walrus
Thx
lyric flower
wait are you hacking?
Nah wtf
tardy anvil
literally since when
zealous fiber
<@925001679928168458> can you gift me nitro
No
tardy anvil
what the heck
velvet walrus
@zealous fiber can i get nitro
zealous fiber
Wdym
tardy anvil
I'm so mindblown right now
drowsy shale
is ICR purely vertical as well?
tardy anvil
@quick cape do you see this>?
lyric flower
wait are you hacking?
It's because of (echco fire mode) this is Maddox without it
tardy anvil
since when was xm4's recoil like that??
velvet walrus
Since last year
tardy anvil
what the heck am I using a grip on it for
snow spoke
@tardy anvil @lyric flower wyg think about the dingo lmg
tardy anvil
I thought the horizontal was bad
lyric flower
I thought the horizontal was bad
Lmao
lyric flower
It's because of (echco fire mode) this is Maddox without it
Btw this Maddox has attachments on it
tardy anvil
oh I guess the vertical
drowsy shale
They're gonna nerf that shit
tardy anvil
It's because of (echco fire mode) this is Maddox without it
crazy
drowsy shale
why use any other AR
lyric flower
Nah leave my boy like that
tardy anvil
eactly
snow spoke
tardy anvil
yeah screw ram7
lyric flower
Yall stop
tardy anvil
I'm back to xm4, that's ridiculous
drowsy shale
Now I wish even more that I bought the mythic when it was out
drowsy shale
Should've gatekept it
for real lol
drowsy shale
Yeah I love the bp one but the mythic is just so good
like the sound effects
is it really not as good as the bp one
lyric flower
Xm4 is pretty useless without this recoil control, if they nerfed it imma cry
tardy anvil
I'm just waiting for a legendary xm4
tardy anvil
Xm4 is pretty useless without this recoil control, if they nerfed it imma cry
well just switch to ram LOL
drowsy shale
Xm4 is pretty useless without this recoil control, if they nerfed it imma cry
even if it wasnt like that its still a good gun
velvet walrus
Is the mythic that bad
lyric flower
even if it wasnt like that its still a good gun
The only reason I use it is the recoil
drowsy shale
I swear the mythic looks so good
lyric flower
Pls devs don't touch it it is a perfect gun
grand gyro
I don't even know this exist
tardy anvil
Should've gatekept it
how do you like my new username
hazy carbon
Is the mythic that bad
XM4?
drowsy shale
well they didnt touch it for next season
lyric flower
how do you like my new username
Nahhhhhhh
drowsy shale
its not bad at all
lyric flower
Damn it,I should have gatekept it yall suck
grand gyro
It's alright
I do think that operator skills should be banned in TDM
velvet walrus
<@1210966781754343570> sent bitro 1 week more
grand gyro
@fair root am gonna eat you
lyric flower
Imma cry in the corner now
fair root
No
velvet walrus
No<a:catboop:1335084723516608593>
tardy anvil
Imma cry in the corner now
drowsy shale
Not like devs are camping this chat to see what to nerf next
velvet walrus
Im a dev
lyric flower
https://tenor.com/view/its-okay-dont-cry-tears-milk-and-mocha-bears-gif-63056903...
Lmao
velvet walrus
Nerfing xm4 now
fair root
<@606120044719767572> am gonna eat you
lyric flower
Nerfing xm4 now
Real
drowsy shale
Nerfing xm4 now
While you're at it go ahead and give the S36 a 200% damage buff
lyric flower
Xm4 with 4× scope goes boom
drowsy shale
and make the ads speed faster than the vmp
lyric flower
and make the ads speed faster than the vmp
Vmp is the best smg for close range
tardy anvil
drowsy shale
Xm4 with 4× scope goes boom
I never use scopes but I might try that for an overkill loadout
lyric flower
Wudduhail, is that ur alt?
tardy anvil
uh not quite
velvet walrus
Xm4 nerfed successfully
lyric flower
Dammit timi
drowsy shale
should dm the activision guy as well
drowsy shale
Xm4 nerfed successfully
what the hell is tough perk
fair root
velvet walrus
tardy anvil
I need to watch some SoD and LoD videos on the meta changes LOL
drowsy shale
next update: added 40% horizontal recoil to XM4
fair root
lyric flower
Check the reload time
@tardy anvil Bahahahaha
drowsy shale
See, the reload is the main reason why I want the mythic
I swear its significantly faster
Specifically due to its animation
velvet walrus
Mythic is satisfying
fair root
<@606120044719767572> vote xm4
Nah nah voting m13 instead
velvet walrus
fair root
Keeping the tradition alive
velvet walrus
No
drowsy shale
so what's that vote for then
drowsy shale
I'm voting XM4 or Type 19
lyric flower
I'm voting XM4 or Type 19
Xm4 > type19
drowsy shale
Type 19 isnt the best as a gun but I like the aesthetic
velvet walrus
It alr came back
drowsy shale
yeah xm4 is easily the better gun but mythic type 19 is majestic
lyric flower
Type 19 isnt the best as a gun but I like the aesthetic
I like the fact that u can turn it into an smg-sniper-lmg
velvet walrus
Vote xm4
drowsy shale
It alr came back
yeah unfortunately i missed it back in january
velvet walrus
Xm4 gonna comeback in feb but not waiting allat
slow mountain
Vote holger 
drowsy shale
didnt holger just come back recently
velvet walrus
Nope
slow mountain
I'm jk
drowsy shale
Vote As val
tardy anvil
oh wait
tardy anvil
Check the reload time
no way
drowsy shale
Vote any mythics i dont have
ak117 lava remix
tardy anvil
drowsy shale
the base xm4's reload is really annoying
lyric flower
Hahahaha
drowsy shale
because you put the mag in and there's a split second where the gun has to go back into position
the mythic skips that entirely
lyric flower
I don't think they are going to nerf xm4 anytime soon, I rarely see anyone other than me using it
velvet walrus
4 shot 20m
drowsy shale
HVK is about to be meta anyway
lyric flower
I hope xm4 never becomes meta so the devs don't notice it
tardy anvil
tiny mag
drowsy shale
it is meta basically
lyric flower
4 shot gun with 28 bullets
It will become a 3 shots gun
Anywhere other than the legs
drowsy shale
because its 3 tap potential becomes insane with the upcoming buff
lyric flower
They buffing the shoulder multiplier
drowsy shale
they buffed the arm damage multiplier
lyric flower
they buffed the arm damage multiplier
Tru
drowsy shale
shit is not gonna be fun to play against
tardy anvil
wait wait wait
velvet walrus
Vulture mandatory
drowsy shale
Vulture mandatory
true
tardy anvil
@worthy dune can you help me out here
elder niche
m16 has "shotgun aim assist"
What?
fluid light
m16 has "shotgun aim assist"
Where did you get that from?
elder niche
Shotgun aim assist on M16 huh..
lyric flower
Xm4 has an attachment called (suppressor) and it doesn't remove sound lmaooooo
tardy anvil
okay it says "ais" but the dude is saying aim assist
drowsy shale
it doesnt shoot pellets so what does that mean
worthy dune
m16 has "shotgun aim assist"
aim assist on hip
drowsy shale
Xm4 has an attachment called (suppressor) and it doesn't remove sound lmaooooo
doesnt it also have 'foregrip'
should be a 'stock' and 'barrel' as well
tardy anvil
but don't all guns have that?
lyric flower
doesnt it also have 'foregrip'
Yea lmao
drowsy shale
I think we're all slightly autistic
tardy anvil
only aim assist while ADSed
wait I don't think so, if you use any gun, say m4, and you track training range bots with no ads, you for sure feel the aim assist
lyric flower
Xm4 is gonna be nerfed, it is op
drowsy shale
Yeah I swear you lock onto enemies slightly even without ads
velvet walrus
Only if chinese abuse it
worthy dune
wait I don't think so, if you use any gun, say m4, and you track training range ...
you can compare
im fairly sure pharo has it asw
drowsy shale
like when i slide by an enemy, it feels like you very slightly are directed in their direction
tardy anvil
yeah no, if a gun has a increased aim assist, it's not just "good for people with bad aim"
everybody needs to get on it right now LOL
worthy dune
m16 is js ass
lyric flower
m16 is js ass
If u need all that accuracy why not use a sniper lmao
tardy anvil
m16 is js ass
but it's getting buffed no?
worthy dune
but it's getting buffed no?
yeah but its not at all significant
tardy anvil
what even has good aim assist in mp
50 gs is a poster boy
drowsy shale
just the hit flinch, kind of negligible
worthy dune
recoil buff is tentative
drowsy shale
This is in mp really?
worthy dune
no clue how much its going to affect
tardy anvil
This is in mp really?
yeah
worthy dune
If u need all that accuracy why not use a sniper lmao
i think ur better off using sm else rather than m16
drowsy shale
I feel like Ram 7 unfortunately has 0 aim assist whatsoever
tardy anvil
If u need all that accuracy why not use a sniper lmao
I mean if a gun helps you aim better, it's busted by definition
if you don't miss shots, you'll win most fights
even if you use m4
that's why the aimbot ranked bots are so broken
drowsy shale
i think ur better off using sm else rather than m16
M16 will always be like that lol
drowsy shale
that's why the aimbot ranked bots are so broken
for real
anything is insanely op if you have 100% accuracy
worthy dune
regardless of m16 aa
velvet walrus
anything is insanely op if you have 100% accuracy
Hackers showcased that well
worthy dune
its still ass
velvet walrus
little basin
Hallo
tardy anvil
wait why
drowsy shale
cause it directly impacts 3 tap potential
drowsy shale
fairly often in close range
tardy anvil
if you land 2 stomachs 1 chest
drowsy shale
either way it opens up an entire opportunity for 3 tap with a new body part
drowsy shale
33.6 rounds up
tardy anvil
you still need ths ame 2 chest shots
tardy anvil
33.6 rounds up
I'm pretty sure damage doesn't round...
frick where are all the gunsmithers all of a sudden
drowsy shale
havent you seen this before: a gun does 33 dmg but it still 3 taps
tardy anvil
@livid tangle does decimal damage round?
drowsy shale
thats the HVK
tardy anvil
33,6
drowsy shale
so any marginal increase means 100
drowsy shale
yes?
lyric flower
Does anybody want a 1v1?
drowsy shale
33.6 x 3 is 100.8
tardy anvil
yeah
drowsy shale
so its a 3 tap
drowsy shale
i meant that in game when you see damage numbers
lyric flower
No 1v1s?
drowsy shale
some people get confused by just seeing 33
tardy anvil
and 34.5 + 2x 32.2 < 100
tardy anvil
shld just ask me
didn't want to ping you again lol
worthy dune
idm
tardy anvil
wait so can you explain why the hvk buff is so significant?
I feel like it's literally not a big deal at all
drowsy shale
yeah the people who talk about this buff acknowledge that it only affects the 1st damage range
worthy dune
wait so can you explain why the hvk buff is so significant?
3 shot is consistent
tardy anvil
might affect maybe like 2% of the gunfights
zealous fiber
ill send in gng
vid too big so will have to trim it
Sure
tardy anvil
you still need 2 chests
worthy dune
the main issue prebuff is that 1 rogue upper arm shot is gonna make ur 3 tap a 4 tap
tardy anvil
to 3 tap
worthy dune
nah
drowsy shale
exactly, big difference in consistency
tardy anvil
and that's only up to 23m too
worthy dune
just 3 arm shots
tardy anvil
wait how
worthy dune
and that's only up to 23m too
thats a big difference in consistency
tardy anvil
no, that didn't get changed
it was always 33.6
the only change is that multi on upper arms is now same as lower arms
tardy anvil
oh
worthy dune
big consistency diff
worthy dune
since u dont have to worry about an upper arm shot
drowsy shale
its rare but in the off chance that you do you suddenly have a 4 shot kill
which makes the hvk useless
worthy dune
its basically guaranteeing the 3 tap
drowsy shale
it just means that in the 1st dmg range you are almost guaranteed a 3 tap provided you dont hit legs
tardy anvil
its rare but in the off chance that you do you suddenly have a 4 shot kill
I mean it only 3 taps somewhat consistently in the first range
which only goes until 14m
worthy dune
if u wanted to use hvk before u had to aim slightly lower
tardy anvil
the gun is still mid otherwise
worthy dune
if u wanted to use hvk before u had to aim slightly lower
to compensate for upper arm multis
tardy anvil
that's such a small change
drowsy shale
what other gun 3 taps with that fire rate with anywhere in upper body?
drowsy shale
with that fire rate
drowsy shale
those are 2 taps
tardy anvil
well yeah
but the point is you already have that niche filled with a better more consistent weapon
drowsy shale
in the case of 3 taps hvk is the only one that does it at that fire rate
tardy anvil
and again, hvk consistent 3 tap only goes up to 14m
drowsy shale
hvk also has better mobility
worthy dune
thats disregarding range boosts
worthy dune
thats js mag itself
tardy anvil
yeah just mono
drowsy shale
extended barrel of some sort
lyric flower
Man-o-war only need 120ms to make sure ur dead but u can kill the opponent before u burn
tardy anvil
no one uses the marksman
it's just mono
so 25% more
which is like, 16.5?
still miserable compared to oden
worthy dune
still miserable compared to oden
less punishing if you consider it
drowsy shale
even if its not better than oden, not everyone wants to use that type of slow firing high punishing weapon
tardy anvil
yeah but it doesn't have that much prime at all
worthy dune
90.7ms vs 145ms
verbal musk
Discuss
tardy anvil
16.5m can go pound sand in an average ranked game
surreal nymph
so ghost is coming back yeah?
tardy anvil
you're basically just using a 4 shot 270ms gun 90%+ of the fights
tardy anvil
eh I'm not convinced still. I think they'd need to buff stomach multis to 1.5x at least
drowsy shale
gonna be a top 3 ar at the very least
worthy dune
kn needs chest shots
tardy anvil
well hvk too
worthy dune
not rly
tardy anvil
so kn is literally just better
drowsy shale
Bro HVK is anywhere in upper body
tardy anvil
Bro HVK is anywhere in upper body
yeah, 1st range ONLY
drowsy shale
yeah so what
tardy anvil
we need to look at least until like 25m
because bloody bizon 3 shots in the first range LOL
25m range is where most gunfights happen
drowsy shale
not to anywhere in the upper body
worthy dune
kn n hvk play fairly differently
tardy anvil
bro, the sub 14m gunfights are so rare that being able to respond matters more
velvet walrus
Is that the good xm4 build
drowsy shale
HVK has always been more of a skill based gun
worthy dune
ones a main ar ones a flex
lyric flower
HVK has always been more of a skill based gun
Not anymore
drowsy shale
You always needed a chest shot or two in longer distances for that 3 tap
tardy anvil
you need 2
lyric flower
Is that the good xm4 build
Any build is great on xm4
worthy dune
for hvk idt ur banking on 3 tapping past the first range
tardy anvil
which makes the gun basically a 4 tap 270ms ttk gun outside of 14m
which is really not good
drowsy shale
thats the thing, for those who are skilled enough it 3 taps very consistently
velvet walrus
Any build is great on xm4
tardy anvil
no it doesn't
drowsy shale
and has a decent fire rate and low recoil and good mobility
velvet walrus
drowsy shale
oden's 3 tap is slow though
tardy anvil
yeah, except it 2 taps
drowsy shale
either way, its not better than the oden
velvet walrus
I meant any human build
Ud be surprised seeing frontline main builds
lyric flower
oden's 3 tap is slow though
2 taps is literally only 145ms
tardy anvil
oden 2 tap until bloody some ridiculous range is way more consistent than hvk 3 tap
lyric flower
Ud be surprised seeing frontline main builds
?
tardy anvil
I mean, I think oden is only good up to the 23m range
worthy dune
it isnt
tardy anvil
and in the same way, hvk is only good until 17m
drowsy shale
I mean, I think oden is only good up to the 23m range
it literally has infinite 3 tap range
drowsy shale
but from long distances?
tardy anvil
that's VERY slow
drowsy shale
no other AR will beat you from a distance
tardy anvil
you have guns like lk24, kn44
that dogs you
because they randomly have like 40m built in
ak47 too
worthy dune
oden sucks past its 2 tap range
tardy anvil
^
worthy dune
it isnt a main ar
drowsy shale
is this not the oden with monolithic
velvet walrus
@tardy anvil So u prefer this over mythic
tardy anvil
oden is literally just a summit gun
tardy anvil
<@402349023538970625> So u prefer this over mythic
yes
drowsy shale
whats a summit gun
worthy dune
oden is great when it comes to small maps
tardy anvil
like literally
tardy anvil
whats a summit gun
a gun you only use on summit
worthy dune
oden is great when it comes to small maps
most engagements ur gonna be 2 tapping
tardy anvil
aka, most cqc smgs imo
drowsy shale
exactly i was saying that oden is good in close range
especially cause you accidentally hit shots a lot of the time while adsing
tardy anvil
yeah, and I'm saying hvk is that, but the range only goes up to a pathetic 17m
calm cargo
How funis it<@1152201146983788604>
Very fun👍
tardy anvil
which is why I think oden is overrated, and hvk buff... doesnt' really matter
drowsy shale
dont think anyone really uses hvk for longer ranges anyway
it just makes it a surefire 3 tap for when people use it up close
velvet walrus
I still dont like the bp xm4
ocean granite
it just makes it a surefire 3 tap for when people use it up close
including mid?
tardy anvil
I still dont like the bp xm4
I like how blunt it is compared to the mythic
velvet walrus
If the side didnt exist then id use it
tardy anvil
use a button crosshair
drowsy shale
including mid?
well all the way up to 17.5m
tardy anvil
(a joke ^)
worthy dune
compared to the other ars yeah
drowsy shale
its really not stronger than uss idk what that dude is talking about
tardy anvil
compared to the other ars yeah
I can think of like 10 that's better
velvet walrus
use a button crosshair
Right
tardy anvil
I mean if you're not even in the top 10 ARs, as an AR, are you really meta?
drowsy shale
people use hvk quite a bit rn anyway in high ranks
drowsy shale
I mean if you're not even in the top 10 ARs, as an AR, are you really meta?
Can you really name 10 better though
tardy anvil
and if we just look at the flex ar category
there's like a million guns better than hvk
worthy dune
I mean if you're not even in the top 10 ARs, as an AR, are you really meta?
theres like 4 in mind
worthy dune
oden ram drh xm4
drowsy shale
ARs specifically
tardy anvil
oden
worthy dune
some of those arent even flex ars
tardy anvil
ARs specifically
I think the category matters more than the weapoon class
tardy anvil
some of those arent even flex ars
but if we're talking 17m of range, then vmp for sure counts
worthy dune
thats more aggro than anything
tardy anvil
okay sure
drowsy shale
hvk isnt really aggro
worthy dune
vmp*
proven bridge
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tardy anvil
hvk isnt really aggro
dude it has 17m of range
it better be aggro
otherwise it's just trash
not even mid, straight trash
tardy anvil
Yall idk where to put an edit I made for my rank 💔💔
here
proven bridge
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proven bridge
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calm cargo
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drowsy shale
You know what HVK advocators used to say back then, they said you need to get headshots for it to be good
I just remembered
tardy anvil
You know what HVK advocators used to say back then, they said you need to get he...
well yeah, when it could 2 tap
it can't anymore LOL
tardy anvil
sure
drowsy shale
kn44 and lk dont have that good headshot damage
tardy anvil
hvk also lowkey seeks heads for some reason
drowsy shale
but i forgot that hvk depends a lot on headshots tbh
worthy dune
one headshot w kn is a 3 tap first range if im nt wrong
drowsy shale
i think people also use the cartridge crusher iron sight for headshots as well
paper meadow
hm
tardy anvil
and unlike hvk, kn44 first range is like 33m or something ridiculous
drowsy shale
one headshot w kn is a 3 tap first range if im nt wrong
but for 17m +
worthy dune
i think people also use the cartridge crusher iron sight for headshots as well
fairly sure ppl that use hvk dont rly aim for head
because of upper arms
tardy anvil
i think people also use the cartridge crusher iron sight for headshots as well
yeah, I think sod recommended red dot for that too
drowsy shale
I swear back then people used to say you need to aim for heads in order for it to be meta
tardy anvil
fairly sure ppl that use hvk dont rly aim for head
I mean I did during hvk meta
but as I said, I think hvk's aim assist seeks heads
it literally aims up to hit the head
worthy dune
im fairly sure hvk aa is the same as the others
tardy anvil
ah. might be placebo
drowsy shale
either way the cartridge crusher is very headshot friendly
calm cargo
6 days left for rank reset
I’m gonna get one last reward reconstruction character before it
tardy anvil
or the cartridge crusher is truly p2w, if we're into that conspiracy 
worthy dune
either way the cartridge crusher is very headshot friendly
arguably one of the main reasons why hvk was meta
tardy anvil
I would say the same for drh
worthy dune
use something else then hvk turns to shit
drowsy shale
yeah not many other blueprints that have a decent sight
tardy anvil
bloodrose is definitely a huge reason why it's meta
drowsy shale
Isn't the DRH base sight not bad though
tardy anvil
yeah, it's actually my 2nd favorite
but bloodrose is something else
the skin is literally so good it makes up for the gun being not top tier
drowsy shale
and yet the sight is just a skinny peg
i dont like these legendaries that are borderline p2w
cause i hate spending almost the same amount of money as a mythic on a legendary
tardy anvil
I don't think they're borderline p2w
paper meadow
worldly basin
I'm drifting in and out of 10k
tardy anvil
I think they are p2w
drowsy shale
seems to be more common in legendaries than mythics
tardy anvil
obviously depending on how liberally we define the term
worldly basin
i dont like these legendaries that are borderline p2w
Wdym pay to win?
ocean granite
6 days left for rank reset
6 more days until i can buy tournament camo crates again
drowsy shale
every single one is a red dot and thats not as good as some of the best legendaries
tardy anvil
so depending on whether you like that, mythics can be either insane or just "pretty good I guess"
worldly basin
They didn't think of the design very hard
drowsy shale
oden is up there i'd say
worthy dune
mythics & legendaries when they have a really obstructive kill effect:
tardy anvil
I mean legendaries these days just follow the skinny peg design too
drowsy shale
and when the krig was meta
drowsy shale
mythics & legendaries when they have a really obstructive kill effect:
at least mythics you can choose the base one
worldly basin
so depending on whether you like that, mythics can be either insane or just "pre...
The pulsar one of lw3 has clear scope and no border which is definitely an advantage
tardy anvil
they're literally all killer, every single one
worldly basin
And huge one
drowsy shale
almost every event legendary is just a peg with holographic details around it
worldly basin
For normal people
worthy dune
at least mythics you can choose the base one
some lf them r absolute dogshit in terms of vis
drowsy shale
yeah that gundam m13 is a beauty
worldly basin
yeah that gundam m13 is a beauty
Every Gundam skin is borderline weird
tardy anvil
fennec... I'm actually not a fan
worldly basin
Like way to chonky
drowsy shale
some lf them r absolute dogshit in terms of vis
even base?
worthy dune
depends
drowsy shale
i guess ffar is still obstructive even in base
tardy anvil
but yeah, I'm more of a skinny peg guy than a floating red dot guy
worldly basin
Wait there are senior moderators?
worthy dune
id argue the free ak47 legendary rn has an annoying ass kill effect
tardy anvil
so I like my legendaries more than mythics
drowsy shale
yeah legendaries you cant change
tardy anvil
id argue the free ak47 legendary rn has an annoying ass kill effect
and I'd also argue it's the best ak47 skin other than frostband
worldly basin
id argue the free ak47 legendary rn has an annoying ass kill effect
It's like "hey I killed your teammate here please kill me" type of kill effect
worthy dune
and I'd also argue it's the best ak47 skin other than frostband
honestly i dont rly fw it
drowsy shale
so I like my legendaries more than mythics
you like legendary oden better than mythic?
tardy anvil
you like legendary oden better than mythic?
definitely
worldly basin
and I'd also argue it's the best ak47 skin other than frostband
It looks weird
drowsy shale
damn
tardy anvil
the blue legendary is AMAZING
drowsy shale
isnt the sight basically the same as megalodon
worthy dune
🫣
worldly basin
worthy dune
idk what ur talking ab
tardy anvil
isnt the sight basically the same as megalodon
uh
it's more like type25 horseman pick
paper meadow
senior = old = experience