codm-discussion

[tardy anvil]

oh what

okay didn't expect that

[bronze sigil]

m13, locus, krig 6, fennec

[tardy anvil]

that's an em2 I think

[autumn rivet]

I for some reason keep thinking it’s an m4 or cx9

[bronze sigil]

locus lmao

[tardy anvil]

fennec?

[bronze sigil]

[bronze sigil]

yep

[tardy anvil]

what...

[calm cargo]

No

[autumn rivet]

Fr?? I think it’s a sniper like the xpr they always use on these bundles

[tardy anvil]

that's a weird looking locus lol

[calm cargo]

Yes

[wild sky]

Mac 10?

[bronze sigil]

agreed it does look a lot like em2

[bronze sigil]

fennec

[tardy anvil]

damn I already see that ironsight

[autumn rivet]

It’s a fennec fs

[tardy anvil]

mythic contender

[wild sky]

Ok thx

[wild sky]

Ohh ok 😳

[bronze sigil]

better be lmao
id expect nothing less from a collab

[tardy anvil]

what about the one in the middle?

[livid tangle]

Krig, I believe

[bronze sigil]

krig 6

[tardy anvil]

krig...

[autumn rivet]

Krig????

[tardy anvil]

[halcyon fox]

Red one is the locus

[bronze sigil]

yes

[livid tangle]

Yup

[tardy anvil]

who cares about half these guns man

[autumn rivet]

I never use the krig… ever

[bronze sigil]

em2 ahh locus

[halcyon fox]

@bronze sigil fr bro

[wild sky]

It look fire probably will grind this krig 6

[autumn rivet]

It has a front mag, I don’t think it’s a locus or em2

[livid tangle]

It's been confirmed to be a locus tho

[autumn rivet]

What fr??

[tardy anvil]

who uses fennec when vmp exists
who uses locus when tundra exists
who uses m13 when bp50 exists
who uses krig when xm4 exists

[autumn rivet]

Oh dang I didn’t look into it enough

[halcyon fox]

Locus is the goat bro@tardy anvil

[livid tangle]

Nope, tundra>

[tardy anvil]

yeah no, because tundra is betetr

and locus already has electron

[wild sky]

I use tec 9 and pdw

[soft fractal]

1. Mains
2. Mains
3. People who are not brainrotted BP50 mains
4. because both are good

[gleaming pivot]

Nostalgia is holding them back (me)

[soft fractal]

[autumn rivet]

Locus has a faster ads than the tundra. At least it feels like it.
Fennec is still solid in its own way,
M13 I agree is buns they needa stop putting it. Krig I also agree I never have a reason to use it

[tardy anvil]

give another sniper a shot, koshka or something

[halcyon fox]

Skill issue?

[livid tangle]

Tec9 🤝

[wild sky]

🤝

[autumn rivet]

Wait

Locus I’m confusing with koshka my bad

[azure harness]

Damn

[soft fractal]

yeah you talked shit about og locus

[calm cargo]

People always gonna play meta

[halcyon fox]

@calm cargo not always

[wild sky]

Hehe

[tardy anvil]

first 2 are literally direct upgrades
3. ig bp50 is not exactly a replacement for m13, more like xm4
4. we only have like 10 ARs that are basically krig but better

[autumn rivet]

eheH

[wild sky]

Not me i hate uss and vmp

[wild sky]

🤣 🤣

[autumn rivet]

Xm4 so dope

[tardy anvil]

apparently m13 is actually not bad now

[soft fractal]

tbh I am sick and tired of seeing BP50 players

[livid tangle]

Uzi, I can understand but vmp?

[halcyon fox]

@calm cargo i have skill issue with the tundra. The scope animation is weird. I wonder hoew the 3 line sniper will feel

[wild sky]

Yup

[autumn rivet]

It’s not bad but it’s imo one of the more lackluster meta guns

[livid tangle]

Why vmp?

[tardy anvil]

really? surprised you see them and not uss9 players lol

[wild sky]

Idk i dont feel like it

[tardy anvil]

I hate vmp too. gun's too good lol

[livid tangle]

Going off the leaks, it's alright

[tardy anvil]

you don't like using them or having them used against you?

[wild sky]

I use oden or shotgun instead

[autumn rivet]

I might just be boring but the m13 is a very plain unfun gun imo

[soft fractal]

Trust me I see both

[wild sky]

Using them

[calm cargo]

I do too but I finally gave in today to make grinding reward construct points easier

[tardy anvil]

bp50 started feeling amazing to me recently lol, after the nerf 💀

[calm cargo]

Won all 3 matches I played with it

[livid tangle]

[calm cargo]

So sadge

[autumn rivet]

Vmp? Idk it doesn’t feel like it’s overpowered in any way. Just feels like fennec with less recoil

[tardy anvil]

but idk, you're getting 5 shot kills most of the fights

and 256ms is just meh

[livid tangle]

Yus

[halcyon fox]

@tardy anvil

[autumn rivet]

Vmp already getting a nerf next season too

[wild sky]

I only use vmp i haven't touch uss i use it once but dont really like it

[tardy anvil]

might as well use an ak47 or em2 at that point

[hard olive]

@calm cargo What does Venom have to do with the tesseract?

[tardy anvil]

yes!

[livid tangle]

Only to hipfire

[tardy anvil]

oh yeah that

[soft fractal]

I need 3 more shards for MVP Emote pain

[wild sky]

Like i have use vmp more than uss

[tardy anvil]

real nerfs when

nerf uss9 range to 22m

[calm cargo]

Idk what u talking about

[tardy anvil]

nerf vmp recoil

[autumn rivet]

Idk it’s inanely balanced imo

[hard olive]

Your pfp decoration.

[soft fractal]

For tokens it will expire next season or I can just leave it be?

[tardy anvil]

but idk, I think uss9 is too strong when used against me, but sucks when I use it haha

[halcyon fox]

I wonder how the free j358 will look

[calm cargo]

No idea

[autumn rivet]

The vargo needs the buff though I am happy.

[hard olive]

It says 90+ days..

[wild sky]

Hope no

[tardy anvil]

I hate when you play against good players that also use uss9

[autumn rivet]

It’ll stay next season but expire before season 8

[tardy anvil]

oh, and oden

[soft fractal]

aight

[tardy anvil]

bloody untouchable

[soft fractal]

I will grind it then

[thorny cove]

Hello

[tardy anvil]

people with 25%+ accuracy with either uss9, vmp or oden = rip game

[soft fractal]

because I only have remaining 1 day trials for leggy blueprints and weapon xp cards

so nothing interesting to use on left

[autumn rivet]

Frfr the coin things are pointless almost

[wild sky]

Oumm it get buff?? I should test it then before it was... Like using a mac 10 but with less accuracy

[tardy anvil]

get the avatar and the frame

[soft fractal]

got it all

[livid tangle]

Meh buffs to be fair

[tardy anvil]

oh yeah, isn't vargo like trash upon release and still mid after this buff

[wild sky]

Lol

[soft fractal]

just remained trials for blueprints and xp cards

so yea

[autumn rivet]

It’s getting a buff but unfortunately not to recoil

[halcyon fox]

I have like 25k of each colored xp card🤣

[wild sky]

I will try it tho for fun

[livid tangle]

Correct

Still one of the worst ars

[tardy anvil]

nerf uss9 range...

[wild sky]

I can master recoil

[tardy anvil]

that's so sad actually

[soft fractal]

nerf uss9 damage

[autumn rivet]

Vargo is so fun to use, it just needs like a small amount of touch ups

[livid tangle]

Yup

[gleaming pivot]

[wild sky]

Fr fr

[tardy anvil]

frick sake idk what to use anymore

the guns I'm good with kinda suck

and the good guns I suck with

[autumn rivet]

Next season. Still OP but a nerf nonetheless

[tardy anvil]

guess that's what happens when you quit for a year

[wild sky]

Use the worst gun in codm and try ur best

[autumn rivet]

Use lk24

[livid tangle]

Lk is actually good

[tardy anvil]

I don't have a decent skin on the account I'm currenlty playing

[autumn rivet]

The most AR gun in the game

[livid tangle]

I didn't expect that

[wild sky]

Wt?

[autumn rivet]

It is, Mobility is a bit terrible but otherwise it’s good

[tardy anvil]

mellow has the serpent one and that free legendary

[autumn rivet]

Use raal. It is insane

[tardy anvil]

but serpent one is better imo

raal is a lmg though

my movement is already bad enough as is

[halcyon fox]

How can i stretch my screen if i have a samsung??

[livid tangle]

Well according to mellow, there's no need to boost range.
Integral barrel, no stock, optic, 50rnd mag, and granulated grip tape

[autumn rivet]

What

[wild sky]

Guys you playing garena or global?

[tardy anvil]

global

[livid tangle]

Global

[autumn rivet]

I agree, range on it is like amazing

[tardy anvil]

mellow has interesting takes

[buoyant kindle]

Mellow is always right

[halcyon fox]

@autumn rivet you probably dont know about that

[tardy anvil]

can you fact check this? @livid tangle

[livid tangle]

It's correct

[wild sky]

I have a real question why do garena get bunch of good legendary gun and really good quest while we just grinding and sweating

[tardy anvil]

okay that's actually ridiculous then

but lk has bloody 0 movement attachments smh

[livid tangle]

Yeah 24 damage (without factoring in multis) up to 38m

[autumn rivet]

I know it’s so pain

[halcyon fox]

@wild sky garena is the fav child

[wild sky]

Lol

[livid tangle]

That is very true

[tardy anvil]

audience is different

china gets even more

[autumn rivet]

But if you want good movement (kinda) then Xm4 is the way to go

[tardy anvil]

again, that stuff sells over there

[wild sky]

Ohhww

[turbid sluice]

What happened with that Nier 1v1 tournament?

[autumn rivet]

Or drh with 25rnd

[tardy anvil]

gun feels like crap to me

[autumn rivet]

It used to for me too, but like I get it now

[tardy anvil]

I mean drh is still my fav, but gun objectively kinda sucks now

[wild sky]

Y ?

[tardy anvil]

it's just not as good as the meta options

[wild sky]

Wt your fav gun now?

[tardy anvil]

uss9 for example is literally better in every way

[tardy anvil]

well, drh

[livid tangle]

I wanna say powercreep

[autumn rivet]

Sucks? It’s still 3 tap from what I know

[tardy anvil]

yeah, but it's not as good as the 10 other guns better than it that also 3 tap

[halcyon fox]

Who's playing on a low end device like me?

[tardy anvil]

it wasn't even meta during the bloody drh meta in terms of stats lol

gun just feels amazing

if they buffed the 25 otm mag to 40, then we'd be talking

[autumn rivet]

Oh? Idk I find it to be the best in most cases. It’s like drh and em2 are my favorite ARs

[tardy anvil]

I mean yeah, drh is definitely still my all time favorite, especially if you factor in the fact that bloodrose exists

but on the account I currently run, I'm just using base drh

and it's still great

[autumn rivet]

Yes the bloodrose still so awesome

And base is lit. Basically the mw2 scar H

[tardy anvil]

em2 feels... kinda weird for some reason

[autumn rivet]

I know exactly what you mean

[tardy anvil]

at long distances it feels like the gun doesn't hit all the time

like half your bullets just disappear

[wild sky]

Im playing with shotgun and can say it erase meta user

[tardy anvil]

feels krig-like if you know what I mean

[autumn rivet]

But like I started to reuse it recently and it’s basically a ling range USS

[wild sky]

I forgot the name

[livid tangle]

Not at longer ranges, I bet

[autumn rivet]

Long*

[halcyon fox]

Yall talking about ARs when im a sniper main

[tardy anvil]

have you tried the free legendary skin?

[autumn rivet]

For em2?

[wild sky]

Yeah im using rytec with explosive mag for this

[tardy anvil]

yeah

it's actually really good lol

[autumn rivet]

WHAAAAA no sight???

[tardy anvil]

like really really good

[tardy anvil]

no no, there is a sight

[wild sky]

Yeaa wthhhh

[livid tangle]

I dunno if the mag is even needed unless you're planning on destroying stealth choppers and stuff

[tardy anvil]

but it's like bloodrose/type25 horseman-esque

should in theory be the best f2p gun in the game

[wild sky]

Nah im playing to make kid cry im different

[tardy anvil]

like it's literally free 2 win

[autumn rivet]

I have the mythic so I don’t deviate to any other skin for it

[halcyon fox]

@tardy anvil Em4

[tardy anvil]

but idk, ads time is lowkey long for it

[autumn rivet]

My fav mythic aesthetically

[tardy anvil]

I lowkey think the bugged one is better than the mythic haha

[wild sky]

What the best gun to use in br?

[halcyon fox]

@autumn rivet mythic em2 is fire

[tardy anvil]

depends whether you like carrot cutie style sights better or mythic m13 sights better

[tardy anvil]

@livid tangle

[livid tangle]

Bruen+HDR

among others

I can give a full list, if you need

[tardy anvil]

all I know is that ak117 now sucks

[wild sky]

I was using maddox and ak117 or a shotgun

[wild sky]

Fr

[livid tangle]

Maddox 😭

it's alright, I guess?

[ocean granite]

it’s amazing

[wild sky]

Give

[tardy anvil]

fill out stats when @livid tangle

also, gunsmith GUI?

[livid tangle]

• ar: M13, Hbra, Oden, (Bruen and S36 are lmgs but they count here)
• lmg: PKM
• smg: Tec9, Chicom, Ppsh, Cx9, VMP
• Shotgun: Hs0405, Hs2126, Jak12, Rogue
• Sniper: Rytec, HDR, DLQ, XPR
• Marksman: Type 63

[livid tangle]

I'll try to do some of em today

[steep pulsar]

I’m doing something that people don’t think I do

[elder niche]

IM SO HAPPYY

[steep pulsar]

I’m touching grass ❤️

[halcyon fox]

When yall started playing

[vale quarry]

Rip codm scooby

[steep pulsar]

2023

[livid tangle]

@wild sky If you require any of those builds, ping me in #codm-gunsmith-help

[gleaming pivot]

Late 23’

[steep pulsar]

same

[livid tangle]

A year ago

I'm fairly recent

[halcyon fox]

@livid tangle i started about a year ago too.

[livid tangle]

[halcyon fox]

Crazy how good you can get in more than a year

1.6 years to be exact

[steep pulsar]

I’ve been global 4 for a weapon and global 5 for another 💀💀

[halcyon fox]

@steep pulsar you play since 2023 so thats nornal for you ig

Normal*

[tardy anvil]

@livid tangle what do you think is a good way to objectively determine the tier of a gun?

[gleaming pivot]

[vale quarry]

Hmm

[halcyon fox]

@gleaming pivot I like you user name😂

[tardy anvil]

like if you were to write a loss function for gun performance, what would you put?

[gleaming pivot]

Thanks

[vale quarry]

Can you be my mentor?

[wild sky]

Yea jak 12 tht the shotgun i kill everyone with

[livid tangle]

Hmm that's a good question I've been pondering
I wanna say to compare one gun to another (not just on paper stats) but also like recoil pattern difficulty and stuff like that

[wild sky]

Ok thx tho

[gleaming pivot]

I dont do it for free :)

[vale quarry]

Sigh

[halcyon fox]

@gleaming pivot

[steep pulsar]

Help me choose which one lol

[vale quarry]

I spend 50 USD on my logo

[gleaming pivot]

U can ask unseen, hes alot better

[wild sky]

I had to go turn the tv on for my grandpa sorry i was afk

[steep pulsar]

You damn well so if I asked

[vale quarry]

Ok

[gleaming pivot]

Huh

[steep pulsar]

I’d be I asked you to mentor me you would say yes in a heartbeat

[tardy anvil]

yeah. and even if you compare ttk values, if a gun with shorter range has better damage, which one is "better"?

[gleaming pivot]

Whyz that

[elder niche]

Rawr

[digital rune]

100 dollar for 1 skin is dumb

[elder niche]

@gleaming pivot, Jackson blocked me😭 😭 😭

[gleaming pivot]

Growl

[grand gyro]

Anyone wanna play custom prop hunt in codm?

[tardy anvil]

is it just some damage * range lol

[halcyon fox]

How can buy me a locus demonic breath (jk)

[gleaming pivot]

[grand gyro]

@elder niche You wanna join?

[gleaming pivot]

Ur lucky u said jk

[steep pulsar]

Cause you would

[halcyon fox]

@halcyon fox who*

[elder niche]

I wanted to, but can’t.

[gleaming pivot]

NUTELLAA

[digital rune]

make cheaper people buy the game wont be dead

[gleaming pivot]

Whyyy

[wild sky]

Chicom.... Oumm i preffer use it in mp but i feel tht ig get nerf it don't really one shot on a burst anymore renneti got tht problem too

[halcyon fox]

@gleaming pivot Wdym

[elder niche]

Not a good game

[steep pulsar]

Also which one do I buy

[tardy anvil]

and perhaps you can have like 3 categories, guns for great ttk under 20m, 27.5m, 35m for aggro, flex, passive?

[gleaming pivot]

U can stop pinging me.

[steep pulsar]

Ping ping ping

[tardy anvil]

but then, aggro is more like 15

[gleaming pivot]

Raw, next statment

[elder niche]

Zealot for sure.

[steep pulsar]

Okay be back in a bit

[tardy anvil]

bsa is a thing

ads is a thing

movement is thing

[elder niche]

Imagine you get it on the first draw.

[halcyon fox]

@gleaming pivot .

[tardy anvil]

but how do you actually quantify them

just normalize* and weigh in?

[gleaming pivot]

[halcyon fox]

[tardy anvil]

let me go do some research on it

[livid tangle]

Chicom actually has a competitive ttk in br
Only issue is it's rather long burst delay

[tacit flicker]

how y’all liking the new "Weight Of The World" game soundtrack? It's a masterpiece imo

[gleaming pivot]

NOOOO

WHYYYY

@grand gyro fuck u 🥀

[steep pulsar]

I own it now

[gleaming pivot]

@grand gyro SHOOT HE TRASHCAN

SHOOT THE TRASHCAN

HAHAHAA

[half anvil]

[steep pulsar]

Yay thanks to milkshake for the purchase

[half anvil]

Wha

[tardy anvil]

@livid tangle I guess we can take the simple but super heavily opinionated approach and just run, where wi is a bunch of weights we choose depending how important we think each stat is

[half anvil]

Idk what youre talking about

[wild sky]

Oumm ok i would try those in br... Can i copy the list if it dont bother you?

[steep pulsar]

Not me

Nor me

[elder niche]

Nice.

[steep pulsar]

Yuh

Time to hit lbs

[halcyon fox]

@steep pulsar how do you only have three gun in your collection?

[half anvil]

Dew it

[steep pulsar]

Brand new acc

I made it just for this

[livid tangle]

Of course, go for it

[wild sky]

Thx mate

[livid tangle]

Sure

[halcyon fox]

@steep pulsar you that rich?

[steep pulsar]

No

[wild sky]

You preffer playing mp or br?

[livid tangle]

Br definitely

[steep pulsar]

Br

[elder niche]

He bought you?

[wild sky]

When you looking for team dm me

[tardy anvil]

wait fr

[halcyon fox]

Why leggys gotta be so expensive in my country bro😭

[wild sky]

Or invite me

[livid tangle]

I gotchu

[livid tangle]

Yeah

[wild sky]

My pseudo is : Djlony

[tacit flicker]

aint no way u don’t mention AK117

[wild sky]

It got nerf sadly

[livid tangle]

It sucks for long range now....

[tacit flicker]

what?? when

[livid tangle]

I wanna say one update ago

[exotic pecan]

so

ak117 is no op anymore?

[wild sky]

Its still good close range tho

[halcyon fox]

@exotic pecan yes its ass

[wild sky]

Yeah sadly mate the king have drop the crown

[livid tangle]

Correct

[exotic pecan]

so now

oden or

[wild sky]

Maddox

[half anvil]

No I haven't

[wild sky]

Krig 6

[exotic pecan]

krig 6?

[livid tangle]

Oden, m13, bruen, hbra, or s36

[tacit flicker]

man I was wondering why AK117 was so good for long range before and so shit now

[half anvil]

Bruen ttk is wild

[halcyon fox]

The best gun ever in codm is the na45

[wild sky]

Maddox is good you gotta test it

[livid tangle]

Yup, my fav

[tardy anvil]

@livid tangle wait nvm, just talked to a friend about it briefly. I don't think it's possible given the data that we have

[livid tangle]

😔 Aww

[tardy anvil]

simple reason is that every hp on every map demands different stats

[livid tangle]

ohhh

[wild sky]

Yup

[tardy anvil]

so what we need is literally data on how often different types of gunfights happen

[wild sky]

Yall legendary yet?

[tardy anvil]

it also definitely depends on the player, again how often different types of gunfights happen

[livid tangle]

I have
And the result? It's recoil is really high and has rather poor bsa

Only thing I can do is make it a hipfire sniper support

[wild sky]

I use it for close range

[tardy anvil]

but if we have that data, or even a rough approximation, you can literally put in your own stats, and the algorithm should be able to recommend literally a weapon for each hp

[quiet jay]

Nope not yet, you?

[tardy anvil]

there's no reason why people use the same gun for the entire match

[wild sky]

And krig 6 for long range

[tardy anvil]

there are definitely more optimal weapons for different poiints

[wild sky]

My friend do

[livid tangle]

I'd suggest bruen

Highly suggest

[tardy anvil]

maybe other cod titles have that data

[wild sky]

Ok fine i will test tht gun tomorrow and i will give my feedback

[undone rain]

Yo

[wild sky]

Its 8 pm i cant play

[tardy anvil]

but how the heck is anyone going to collect that data

[livid tangle]

Here you go
Use: Vertical recoil, long range, and extended mag

[tardy anvil]

oh

[wild sky]

I can wath anime tho

[tardy anvil]

you know how codm has the replay feature now?

[wild sky]

Thx brother

[livid tangle]

Yeah?

[tardy anvil]

you can look at the whole map at a time and see where people are when they start shooting

[livid tangle]

Use holo sight 2!
Do NOT use the others unless you like having even more aim shake

[tardy anvil]

so we can run some CNN on different snapshots of games and average the distances LOL

would take probably 1000+ games but hey

once trained, the model would be great

[livid tangle]

Seems like a lot of work
Should probably recruit some people actually

[wild sky]

I dont like using scope even if the sight suck

Im buit different sadly

[livid tangle]

Then replace the optic for granulated grip tape

[wild sky]

Yessir

[wild sky]

Wt the time in your county

[tardy anvil]

dude. since we can now see everyone's loadouts after the game, you can also run a model based on weapon to weapon interactions

[livid tangle]

12:30 pm here

[wild sky]

So i got an idea when you are free to play

[livid tangle]

That is true

[tardy anvil]

so you can literally let the algorithm pick a loadout that directly counters the opponent's loadout

[livid tangle]

Oh ho, now that would be a game-changer

[wild sky]

K pretty late lol

[vital helm]

Yo who's running mp ranked we need one more player to fill up the squad

Legendary or gm

[wild sky]

No way might be pretty op

[tardy anvil]

okay wait, but for you do kinda need to collect stats on the other guy

and that's an impossibly large database

so scrap that

[wild sky]

Lol

[tardy anvil]

but you can definitely scan the games you play, and just collect data on the types of gunfights you take depending on the map on the point

[wild sky]

I saw the server die XD

[worthy dune]

don't want to burst your bubble but server-based replays will be inaccurate compared to client sided replays (i.e. screen recording)

[tardy anvil]

oh really?

wait why

[worthy dune]

yes

[tardy anvil]

is it not accurately recorded?

[worthy dune]

it just doesnt update as often

[tardy anvil]

I mean, it seems to be at least 30fps

[worthy dune]

20hz

[tardy anvil]

okay nvm

more like 10

but that's way fast enough

[worthy dune]

for general use cases sure

but when you're using it as a data point on where people are aiming

[wild sky]

Your cat is pretty tych

[worthy dune]

not rly accurate

killcams are also server based replays

[tardy anvil]

not where people are aiming. more like what at what ranges do gunfights happen

and we don't exactly need decimal point accuracy

more like +- 3-5m

[livid tangle]

@worthy dune
Oh yeah I just remembered, has raals' bv been fixed yet?

[worthy dune]

you can basically get that without server replays anyway

[tardy anvil]

how?

[wild sky]

Im lost lol😅

[worthy dune]

common angles are set ranges

[tardy anvil]

yeah, but which angles are actually common?

[worthy dune]

you can estimate shit from there

[tardy anvil]

but I guess you do have a point

[exotic pecan]

i understand alot

[wild sky]

Can youtube link be posted over here?

[worthy dune]

dk, dont rly want to check either

[tardy anvil]

but I think it's better if you actually map frequency over the angles too

[rare gorge]

o

[soft fractal]

tbh I wonder what I will get first
AMAX or AK leggy

[rare gorge]

no*

[soft fractal]

[wild sky]

Ok boss

[wild sky]

Where can i post it?

[haughty glen]

Real

[rare gorge]

idk

[wild sky]

-_-

[rare gorge]

i think we jst cant at all

[tardy anvil]

and literally run something like argmin(-gunfight_freq * damage_range_ttk)

[wild sky]

Bruhhhhhh

[worthy dune]

for example

[tardy anvil]

but then again, how much does movement and recoil actually matter for gunfights

[tardy anvil]

wait this is gold

[livid tangle]

You have all of these????

[tardy anvil]

^^

[worthy dune]

no

mr potato hasnt been exactly active lately

[tardy anvil]

is the map to scale btw?

if it is, it's pretty easy to generate

[livid tangle]

Aww nothing I can do about that, its fine

[wild sky]

Guys and codm mod go wath JT juts on YouTube he creating good mythic gun you guys should recruit him pls

[worthy dune]

wdym

[wild sky]

I go eat for now see yaaaaa

[tardy anvil]

like are the distance ratios correct

so say 1cm on picture is 20m in game

is 2cm on picture 40m always

[worthy dune]

fairly sure they're ranges derived ingame then its mapped manually

i have no idea if its to scale

[hidden surge]

Can anyone guys tell that if dlq33 Shiba scope return in next season

[worthy dune]

nor will you have a clean png of codm's minimaps

[tardy anvil]

I mean these don't seem too shabby

[livid tangle]

No news as of yet, so probably not

[hidden surge]

Ok thanks

[livid tangle]

I'll have to take a look at all the current maps like this

[tardy anvil]

wait but actually, if we have data of say 50 games on each map

that's good enough to draw a rough frequency table

[exotic pecan]

use the other replay

[tardy anvil]

oh yeah, how do you access the other one btw

I can't find it anymore

[worthy dune]

too big icons

[exotic pecan]

it i know its in setting

[soft fractal]

I want tourney noowowwwwwww

[exotic pecan]

i have to check

[tardy anvil]

I mean it's mainly for the map png

[soft fractal]

why I have to wait till friday lateeee

[exotic pecan]

i think its in basic

[worthy dune]

sure

[tardy anvil]

you can just take a picture before people spawn in

[coral trail]

anyone for a 1v1? i wanna try my 6 fingers hud

(smg and ar)

[worthy dune]

its crazy though how much projects people have started

all being so “ground breaking”

yet there's always a flaw

[tardy anvil]

good thing is that since the skill difference between players as well as strategies kinda vary GREATLY from game to game, this problem is definitely more prone to overfitting than underfitting

[worthy dune]

either its because its too ambitious or

the data is wrong in the first place

[tardy anvil]

I mean the biggest problem by quite far is that codm literally has no data publicly available

like there's still no database with even weapon base stats

let alone attachment stats etc.

[worthy dune]

its expected

[tardy anvil]

I mean it's literally a mobile game, who cares that much

[soft fractal]

people who have no life and think they are hot shit that they are top 5000 in ranked in mobile game?

[worthy dune]

there's definitely some places that have this

[tardy anvil]

but as I apparently suck at the game now, I might as well go more stat analyst side and put ml to use lol

[worthy dune]

i know of a site thats simulated the gunsmith portion itself

though its fairly old

[coral trail]

my 4 fingers hud feels so weird to use lol

muscle memory kicking in

[tardy anvil]

I know truegamedata claims to have it

but it's not open source

[worthy dune]

is it accurate? probably not considering theres hidden stats

[tardy anvil]

or freely accessible

[tardy anvil]

good thing is that we don't really need much precision

[worthy dune]

thats not rly a true database then

[tardy anvil]

but the whole taper and different parts of the bsa stat bs that supergri used to talk about kinda sucks

[livid tangle]

It's by patchythedog, right?

[worthy dune]

he's a dumbass

lol

[worthy dune]

yeah patchy

server tickrate simulation as well

[tardy anvil]

I mean, it's precise enough to train a model

[livid tangle]

yeah it's reallllyyy old

[tardy anvil]

that's all that matters

[worthy dune]

again projects like these

either too ambitious so you lose motivation

or the methodology is stupid

and the result ends up flawed

[elder niche]

@loud birch, what did you do to your bathroom🥀

[tardy anvil]

well if we had reasonably accessible data, there shouldn't be too much resistance

[buoyant kindle]

<@&1277627912928886836> non codm image in codm discussion

[worthy dune]

thats fine

[bronze sigil]

It's allowed now

[tardy anvil]

wait what 🗿

[buoyant kindle]

Bruh what

[tardy anvil]

I mean people do it so much that it's whatever

[bronze sigil]

This chat has been a general chat for like

[elder niche]

Who’s you think you are? Huh?

[bronze sigil]

Months now

[tardy anvil]

but would personally perfer if people stayed on topic more

[bronze sigil]

Prolly half a year

[tardy anvil]

especially given that a bunch of the old regulars got banned for that very reason

[spare fjord]

Good to know since I forget what channel I'm in half the time lmao

[bronze sigil]

Normally id agree but ppl don't listen much either way
Doesn't take that long for chat to deviate

[buoyant kindle]

Yikes

[tardy anvil]

anyway I'll give it a shot

[worthy dune]

it is what it is

[tardy anvil]

I should probably go and confirm the map in the replay is actually to scale first lol

otherwise screw the project

[worthy dune]

its somewhat counterproductive

to punish people for talking

[bronze sigil]

As long as nothing against the roles it's aight

[buoyant kindle]

Just merge the two channels atp

[bronze sigil]

Rules*

[worthy dune]

roles

[tardy anvil]

I do find the random gif spamming quite annoying though

[bronze sigil]

Auto correct

[spare fjord]

My cat approves of this cat

[tardy anvil]

really have to take up half my screen for a reaction

and to some off topic bs I have no interest in learning about either

[buoyant kindle]

Same with the random unrelated anime gifs

[red plinth]

Could, but then we'd probably see a need for, like, a "off-topic-2" channel or something

[buoyant kindle]

Hmm

ok

[tardy anvil]

oh, what about a questions channel? @red plinth

[bronze sigil]

Would it be possible to make a channel for media and memes stuff
Like non codm related

Cuz lot of ppl post in gallery

[bronze sigil]

Good suggestion tbh

[tardy anvil]

specifically for people actually seeking to get some answers amidst offtopic spam

[red plinth]

Ahhh, gotcha

[elder niche]

@worthy dune, what did you do to Jackson? He blocked me😭

[red plinth]

Probably could?

[tardy anvil]

better category than gunsmithing ngl

[red plinth]

Could probably do this as well tbh

[worthy dune]

wdym me

fuck did i do

[tardy anvil]

ig offtopic is kinda for that

[bronze sigil]

🙏 id like to see food pics or animal pics

[bronze sigil]

But most ppl don't have perms

Cuz yk low rank

[elder niche]

Didn’t you mute him for saying the n-word?

[tardy anvil]

that's true

[bronze sigil]

What I had in mind was

[worthy dune]

when

[tardy anvil]

they did already lower the requirement by a LOT though

[zealous fiber]

@bronze sigil mr mod

[bronze sigil]

A media channel like #codm-gallery

But non codm related

[worthy dune]

crazy

[bronze sigil]

True considering it took me 75 lvls for image perms

[worthy dune]

i remember lv40 img perms

[buoyant kindle]

Deserved for reporting your own friend tbh

[buoyant kindle]

Lvl 20

[tardy anvil]

it was rank 55 for pic perms at one point

[bronze sigil]

When I joined in 2023 it was 75
When I got banned it got lowered to like what current rank is

[worthy dune]

veteran got u nickname pass

elite got u img pass

iirc

[worthy dune]

it got to 75

before it was brought back down

[tardy anvil]

still remember those days lol

[bronze sigil]

Since we on roles
Would it be possible to bring the og non gradient colors of booster colors to #┃prestige-colors-ᴠɪᴘ
A lot of ppl would prefer some of those colors too

I've been told

[tardy anvil]

used to get pissed at mods, and everybody just spammed random pics in gunsmithing

[elder niche]

Idrc, his fault he said the n word.

[bronze sigil]

I remember sin getting his gunsmith pass revoked lmao

[worthy dune]

eh not sure

[bronze sigil]

Rip

[buoyant kindle]

beuh

[tardy anvil]

gradient for vip colors when :D

[bronze sigil]

Eventually planned but not sure when

[tardy anvil]

oh also, can a decent blue get added for vip colors?

[bronze sigil]

Since it's a booster thingy mostly

White role would be crazy 🙏

[tardy anvil]

blue is noticeably missing from this list

[buoyant kindle]

vip colors haven’t gotten an update or change in months

Years even

[bronze sigil]

White and black 🥀

[worthy dune]

yeah theres some suggested colors for vip

waiting for those

[plucky jolt]

Which is the strongest portuguese team? Im competitive

[tardy anvil]

who usually decides these changes?

[bronze sigil]

White, black, blue would be crazy 🙏

[tardy anvil]

try #1146179875124813834

[worthy dune]

staff vote

[tardy anvil]

... and how's the vote looking so far lol

[worthy dune]

idk

its there

oh look theres some cobwebs

😊

[gleaming pivot]

Bum ass 🙏

[buoyant kindle]

That abt says it

[half anvil]

We had a light blue/cyan thing but it got moved to booster colors

Like

[gleaming pivot]

Ima download garena to 1v1 tych trust

[half anvil]

2 years ago?

[worthy dune]

yeah fly a plane here 1v1

[bronze sigil]

Only color i ever wanted since I joined in 2023 was prestige black

Goated color

[worthy dune]

knocked out before you even touch the ground

[tardy anvil]

now it's prestige black and white gray blur lol

[bronze sigil]

😭

That's why I was hoping we could get the non gradient og colors

[tardy anvil]

tfk is certainly happy about that change

[bronze sigil]

Plus I had like 3-4 ppl ask about that new colors

And when will vip get those

[worthy dune]

it is what it is

[tardy anvil]

I just realized a new problem. You'd have to somehow know when 2 people are shooting at each other

hm, maybe ray tracing would solve it, since people at least aim in the general direction

[bronze sigil]

I mean I'm happy since I wasn't expecting to get one
But trial mod role for the win 🙏

[worthy dune]

those little inaccuracies will build up

[tardy anvil]

honestly yeah. man that kinda sucks

[round breach]

Trial mod role will be mine one day

[bronze sigil]

Good luck

[tardy anvil]

might just go with opinionated weights then haha

[worthy dune]

if you want to have a simulated gunfight then you will have to base it off recorded gameplay then estimate the ranges

[tardy anvil]

rank gun stats and suggested builds based on weighted normalized stats

[worthy dune]

this is what gri did

[buoyant iron]

I didn't realize c4 was in br? Did I miss something? I've never seen it before

[worthy dune]

went horribly

[half anvil]

Was using it almost exclusively. Except on Halloween. Then I became neon carrot for a month

[tardy anvil]

oh rip

[worthy dune]

weights were horrible

[bronze sigil]

I recall that I think

[tardy anvil]

you think better weights would resolve that?

[half anvil]

Yeah I do it yearly

[worthy dune]

led to the infamous
hg40 and agr ranking #1 guns

[half anvil]

And Christmas was either dark red or just simple pfp change

[bronze sigil]

[tardy anvil]

I think they still put agr super high

[worthy dune]

no i just don't think you can have accurate weights here

[tardy anvil]

apparently it's good, but just has bad recoil?

[worthy dune]

how do you quantify recoil for example

[tardy anvil]

I mean we could totally make a slider and have users input what they think is more important

[tardy anvil]

I think the best approach is to not quantify those things

[worthy dune]

iron sights visibility, shake, etc

[tardy anvil]

list 5 guns that are good candidates

then just have the users try them out

and pick the one they like

[worthy dune]

you will eventually have to quantify hit probability

[worthy dune]

how likely is it to hit a certain body part

[gleaming pivot]

Aight bet 🙏

[tardy anvil]

okay yeah that's definitely a rip

[worthy dune]

then this becomes fairly arbitrary then

[tardy anvil]

sure, but it's also an auto recommender

I don't think objective rankings are super helpful anyway

[worthy dune]

a better auto recommender would just be asking someone or experimenting urself

[worthy dune]

its also a case of
you can't

[tardy anvil]

I mean, oden is ranked top objectively by basically anyone who cares about stats. It's definitely a good option to consider and would be top for many slider configs, but blatantly putting it as #1 isn't super helpful for most people

[worthy dune]

how does an aggressive weapon rank against a passive one

[grand gyro]

@worthy dune pspspspspspspsps

[worthy dune]

its all playstyle based

[haughty glen]

Did you ever get it

[tardy anvil]

based on the values of the sliders

[grand gyro]

pspspspspspspsps was supposed to lure the cat

[tardy anvil]

if you care more about mobility or damage in <15m for example, just tune those higher and vmp pops up

[bronze sigil]

What do u think lmao

[haughty glen]

Idk

[worthy dune]

the issue with havig it slider based

[haughty glen]

All the colors for gm look bad

[bronze sigil]

[worthy dune]

completely disregards subjective aspects

[tardy anvil]

I mean it's just user customizable weights

[tardy anvil]

well no, it actually completely regards subjective aspects

[worthy dune]

how do you say its “easy recoil”

[tardy anvil]

oh you mean like that. well it'll spit out a ranking and the user can just try going down the list

[worthy dune]

it just boils back down to

the best recommendation is urself

and experimenting

like every best weapon ranked video you see is gonna have some sort of bias somewhere

[haughty glen]

I would’ve had those cool colors if they didn’t skip me for mod and accept matoi instead

[worthy dune]

it wont account for certain aspects

that you value

[buoyant kindle]

Matoi was such a mistake

[tardy anvil]

hm

[worthy dune]

number based rankings will always be inaccurate in someway or another

[tardy anvil]

damn. really seems like a cooked problem

[haughty glen]

I can’t remember if you need to be fluent in english or not

[tardy anvil]

one thing I would argue is that people don't actually know their own playstyles very well

[clever storm]

question i just bought a redmagic 10 air and i know it comes with a bunch of features that and give you an edge over other player i was wondering if their any part of the phone that im not allow to use on codm

[tardy anvil]

which is why the replay scanning might kick people in the right direction

[worthy dune]

even their own sens

which honestly is a big domino effect

[buoyant kindle]

I wish semi auto ARs were viable

[half anvil]

Same

[tardy anvil]

like you think you're an "aggro smg main" but the stats show that you take 25m gunfights all the time

which is apparently aggro smg range according to the current state of weapon balancing

[worthy dune]

honestly just watching ur own gameplay back

literally teaches you so much

you dont even need any special algorithm

just record urself

then watch it back afterwards

[buoyant kindle]

How to fix CoD, max smg range should be 30m, max ar range should be 70m

[worthy dune]

review ur own game

see what u cldve done better

[tardy anvil]

I mean, you can see that your aim sucks

[worthy dune]

then you go to the conclusion that u need to master ur sens

or change it

[tardy anvil]

I hate how obscure stuff like sens is too

I mean sens finding has been the bane of fps for literally as long as the game style became competitive

but codm kinda challenges the pc status quo big time since touch controls really aren't the same

[slender moth]

Just reached Legendary in both MP and BR.

Playing solo with squad autofill in Alcatraz makes it easier for me to reach #1. When im with my friends, it's gets messed up.

[tardy anvil]

well clearly either your friends suck or squad autofill pairs you with other auto-filled squads, resulting in much lower elo overall

time of day also matters. perhaps the time you stack with your friends is more competitive

[slender moth]

Well, whatever the case, im going for something that helps me reach #1 in BR. But i do have my own tactics to reach it.

[soft fractal]

10 more matches till dia m4 yeepie

[unkempt gull]

I see

[fickle wedge]

Skipping the upcoming collab

It's not gonna be worth it I can already tell by looking at the operators

[unkempt gull]

I mean

It aint that bad

People have been hyping it for months now

[devout smelt]

Anyone br

[fickle wedge]

Well maybe but it's not just not as good as the previous ones

I heard they gonna release a battle pass with a legendary gun I'm probably gonna buy that one

[soft fractal]

at least nice old bp's return

new bp is boring tho

space for like 9032423525th time

[fickle wedge]

Too bad I wasn't playing when motoko was released

But it's okay

[elder niche]

Guys

I didn’t know SND in MP was also competitive like ranked

[calm cargo]

Snd is sweatiest mode

[soft fractal]

also the worst

[calm cargo]

To slow for me

[soft fractal]

I want to enjoy Zoo map but it has to also inlcude that abomination of mode

[calm cargo]

I just leave

[fickle wedge]

There's a lot of sweats on snd

[soft fractal]

tbh atm same

I am not in mood for that mode

[sudden isle]

Bonsoir

[tacit flicker]

why do some people spam killstreaks in unranked against a full bot team?

[fickle wedge]

Because they can

No other reason

[tacit flicker]

you dont gain anything from winning unranked tho

[devout smelt]

Because they cannot do against real players I🤣

[distant mantle]

[undone rain]

Yoo can someone show a loadout

[devout smelt]

If

Of

[distant mantle]

For?

[tacit flicker]

lol fr, I’m grinding platinum and they are so annoying

[undone rain]

Me

[distant mantle]

No shit

What gun

[round breach]

Another Rogue n.n

[tacit flicker]

😂

[undone rain]

Anyone

[devout smelt]

U are a girl I am a guy 🤔

That's ig diff

[devout smelt]

The heck

[round breach]

True, but we share the Rogue

[devout smelt]

Yup ig we go rogue on bad people

🤔🤔

[undone rain]

Let's play codm

Anyone

[devout smelt]

Yup me

Br

Or mp

[round breach]

[undone rain]

Mp

[devout smelt]

Mp

Which rank

And region

[undone rain]

Gm

5

[mint summit]

Space for one?

[devout smelt]

Same gm 5

[real nimbus]

Codm stopped giving me mythic shards for the ak117 do you know why

[round breach]

4 1

Jk

[mint summit]

;-;

[devout smelt]

Just watch the stream

🤣

[undone rain]

L@devout smelt give me ur username

[round breach]

Vc é brasileiro?

[real nimbus]

😭 😭

[mint summit]

Pelo nome já dá pra saber

[undone rain]

[round breach]

Legal

[mint summit]

Tava procurando alguém pra me ajudar a upar

[devout smelt]

Sent in dm @undone rain

[round breach]

Já, que nivel vc é?

[real crag]

Hey guys anyone down to play codm tomorrow

[turbid sluice]

Wasn't there a tournament around Nier, 1V1

[devout smelt]

Kab khelega

[mint summit]

Eu perdi minha conta , estou level 30

[sudden isle]

Any Africa french men or girl here

[devout smelt]

Dopeher ko hi rehta mp ke liye

[mint summit]

Mas já upei muito na ranque

[ruby cedar]

Tagal

[devout smelt]

Uske baad br

[real crag]

Han bhai dopahar hi thik

Kis time?

[round breach]

Not that I know of

[elder niche]

Real

[azure gazelle]

dad gave me a taste of his cocktail, never again

[mint summit]

👍

[elder niche]

Yeah

Also delete

[mint summit]

Is this allowed

[round breach]

@pale lily Exp?

[elder niche]

No

[mint summit]

Thank god

[elder niche]

Dang

[ocean granite]

people here also say the f word btw

[azure gazelle]

loser

[mint summit]

Ok

👍

[round breach]

Cry Simon Cowell

[mint summit]

Damn

[elder niche]

That's allowed

[thorny cove]

Hello

[ocean granite]

it shouldn’t be

[mint summit]

Mi bombo

[elder niche]

Why is that? This ain't a kids chat

On everyone’s soul I can hear y’all in a 1v1

[devout smelt]

3-4 pm @real crag

[real crag]

Bhai 2:30 ho jayega kya

[ocean granite]

ik, just my opinion

[mint summit]

Those words are powerfull

[ocean granite]

huh

[mint summit]

Huh

[undone rain]

Huu

[shadow ingot]

Huh.

[coral plover]

Hi guys

[mint summit]

Huh

[ocean granite]

mi bombo

[elder niche]

@round breach, hai!

[mint summit]

O😋

[ocean granite]

what’s it mean

[round breach]

Hello Raptorcito n.n

[elder niche]

How you?

[coral trail]

😱😱

[round breach]

Happy, I have an interview at 2:30pm today

[brisk nest]

What this "n.n" emoji means? @round breach

[round breach]

Wbu?

[round breach]

Happy face

[brisk nest]

All the best

[elder niche]

Good luck!

[ocean granite]

i don’t like profanity, sue me😭

[real crag]

Best of luck bro

[ornate hull]

Yoo

[brisk nest]

Hello

[ornate hull]

Hyd bro

[elder niche]

Fuck.

Shit.

[shadow ingot]

Nyaaa

[ocean granite]

timbers = shivered

[elder niche]

Real.

[elder niche]

Hi LynLyn!

[shadow ingot]

[elder niche]

How is you?

[shadow ingot]

Better- Okay-Ish.

Hath Thy Been Well?

[round breach]

Shiver me timbers

[gusty bronze]

Hy

[elder niche]

Bad, good, whatever.

[livid tangle]

HAI

👋🏼

[round breach]

Lyneiiii!!!!

[mortal cove]

Irmaaaaaa

[elder niche]

Hola piper!

[round breach]

The dark Angellll!!!!

[mortal cove]

Hello, im back after some time hahaha

[elder niche]

Hai angel of death.

[round breach]

After a long time

[livid tangle]

Hiiiiii 👋🏼

[mortal cove]

Yesss

[mortal cove]

Wsp rap, how ya doing?

[elder niche]

Bad, good. Wbu?

[mortal cove]

Yes, I was just doing what you doing, taking vampire nap 😂

[mortal cove]

Doing alright, just got myself a new job

[elder niche]

Ooooh, that’s nice! What job?

[shadow ingot]

Repip Offline.

[round breach]

Congratulations!!!!!

[ornate hull]

Yoo guys I got a question

[elder niche]

No.

[shadow ingot]

DontAskToAskJustAsk.

[mortal cove]

Bakery

[ornate hull]

😂my bad

[mortal cove]

Exactly

[ornate hull]

Who here has done that codm youtube link shii

[elder niche]

Wow! You better bake me 30 chocolate cakes.

[mortal cove]

Haiiiiii lyneyyyyyy

[mortal cove]

Hahahahaha, you gonna pay 👀😂

[ornate hull]

Cause I wanna know how long it's gonna take to get the mythical gun

[livid tangle]

Onlyne-

[elder niche]

You dare to actually ask me to pay?

[mortal cove]

How you gonna pay tho? Your species are dead, you last one of the remaining raptors

[ornate hull]

@elder niche Got any idea about what I'm sayin'?😂

@shadow ingot...