#The Problem with On-foot Boosting

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spare summit
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So yeah, I believe the mechanic to boost this close to the outpost should be disabled, like how it is indoors.

knotty ledge
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Nah I don't think boost should be disabled on foot. It's actually more IMMERSION BREAKING when were wearing a jetpack and for some reason can't use it outside. Inside the facilities, you can at least come up with some pretty easy justifications like a "safety" of sorts. But outside? There's no real justification for it. Instead of limiting jet packs there needs to be an enemy that can prevent us from zipping around freely. Something like the trapper from Darktide

peak badger
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i'd be fine with the boost being available everywhere, if there actually was any downside/risk to using it
adding collision damage for boosting against walls would mitigate the issue, and adds a risk/reward balance, but i can see it getting annoying when getting damaged when using it in space and colliding with a random surface

spare summit
spare summit
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But you needing fuel to boost might be the best middle ground to balance it

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Since every other resource you have in this game is depletable, except your jetpack

lapis charm
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We've talked about this in the dev team since we've pingponged between allowing jetpack in open-ish areas and not, because yes, having jetpack kind of trivializes onfoot combat completely, and while it is a bit fun to fly around like superman, its kind of janky going in and out of 3rd person

spare summit
lapis charm
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Reason why we have jetpack is because otherwise you can get stuck in some places with no way to get back since you can park the ship too high up to reach, so we rather let you have it than not. That said, one solution we've talked about is to have an "inbetween" jetpack state in open combat zones that still lets you hover, but not super fast to be able to act as a crazy dodge

spare summit
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Ahhh, I see, that's a good idea
And yeah removing the jetpack entirely is not a viable idea in my opinion either

lapis charm
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And the inbetween jetpack would probably be first person. So youd go from Weak jetpack > Full jetpack, and there being some sort of transition audio and animation to signal that youve left the weak jetpack zone and going into full zeroG

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That said, we havent properly tested this so take this with a grain of salt, just bringing up some discussion we've had since it is a bit jank and unbalanced

spare summit
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Yeah, that makes sense, it would also add more depth to gameplay I think

spare summit
knotty ledge
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Limited fuel and more grabbers

knotty ledge
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I prefer the limited fuel idea though maybe making it materia or some kind of other abundant fuel type

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You could also recharge your jetpack in Atiran places like bouys, the trade outpost, etc

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Or even just back on the ship

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A balancing act of knowing when to ignite your jetpack and inertia should feel just like moving around before a change like this would happen

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What I really would like to see with a change like that is a "push-pull" feature much like Star Citizen has done so we don't smack into surfaces like we do now.

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Seeing our character actually brace, push, and pull towards surfaces would do wonders for immersion

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"Ledging" or catching the edge of surfaces would be a welcome change as well

spare summit
high oak
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This thread drips of high tier skill entitlement. Most of my four man crew can not do anything you are mentioning due to limitations on movement skills and from an immersion point it should be allowed all the time

You are CHOOSING to boost and play the game this easier way.

Perhaps look at why you think it is a problem that you have the opportunity to make the game easier due to being creative and skillful at movement?

high oak
knotty ledge
high oak
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Patience and enjoyment levels are a limit

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I think that your change would ruin a specific play style. That they are obviously encouraging since there are artifacts for it

peak badger
twin edge
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Any fuel limit relivant to on foot play would absolutely destroy raider role against non-corvettes and remove the ability to fly off to independently engage an objective.

knotty ledge
knotty ledge
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Like, clearly you two had some abysmally low flight time in your head

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The game has multiple levels within a mission. My guesstimate level of fuel would probably be like being able to do at least 2 sectors straight without any need for refueling. I think that would be a good starting point. Would definitely have to play around the idea

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But, it's not a horrible concept. Like I said before, there would be points to refuel all over in your average sector. Hell, we could even make an augmentation that let's you siphon jetpack fuel from enemy ships

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Hit em with the Titanfall special

spare summit
spare summit
spare summit
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Should I leave up this thread?

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I don't want it to harbor any personal insults or destructive negativity

lean summit
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Personally, I don’t want any changes (if anything, let me use jetpack EVERYWHERE. I want SCHMOOVEMENT)

Devs already discussed fixing enemy aim since they barely hit anything when the player is airborne, so idk if nerfing the movement is a good play

spare summit
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✨ balancing ✨

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But you gotta agree, this makes combat trivial

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Which is definietly not good
You can see that even with grapple points you can do nearly identical maneouvers

lapis charm
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We're gonna add sliding so we'd be nerfing some and buffing it another way buddyblush

lean summit
# spare summit But you gotta agree, this makes combat trivial

The triviality of being aerial in combat is that the enemies don’t know how to hit someone flying, which is something devs have planned to fix. I doubt that making the mobility in this game more limited is going to keep it enjoyable while the enemies are going to get more accurate

If anything, I’d rather keep combat as-is, the schmoovement is one of the most fun parts of Jump Space

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Sliding is something I’d like to see, but if it introduces slide hopping we might have something to worry about

lapis charm
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Even with the fixed enemy aim they arent able at someone doing the full jetpack since most of them fire projectiles

spare summit
lean summit
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I understand that making them better at predicting is a big ask with projectiles, but I doubt making movement worse is going to be fun— let me restate this, but movement is one of the most fun aspects of jump space. When I can grapple onto a point and go 50 mph, it’s an awesome feeling. To remove my ability to access that by jet packing is just unfun

spare summit
lapis charm
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Which is why we might settle for a "half" jetpack state thats not as fast which transitions to the full jetpack once you leave the combat zone. Again, very early discussion we've had that might be subject to change

lean summit
spare summit
lean summit
lapis charm
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Maybe. The thing with adding mobility options as augments is that it can easily tend to become "must have" picks for augments, so they just become default abilities, and with that it just becomes more and more powercreep that the enemies have to keep up with

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(That said though, theres an enemy I'm prototyping that might act as an indirect counter to jetpacking, so be prepared for that)

lean summit
spare summit
lapis charm
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And part of why theres still some restraint with adding vertical movement such as ledge vaulting is that some maps are made with the player being able to only being able to scale vertically a certain amount, or else you'll be able to sequence break and we need to go back and change a bunch of stuff

spare summit
spare summit
lapis charm
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We havent experimented much with that yet so it might change, just letting you know some of our thought process why we arent just turning this into Titanfall 3 (as much as I'd want it to be)

lean summit
spare summit
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All jokes aside, just take your time!

high oak
high oak
# lapis charm Even with the fixed enemy aim they arent able at someone doing the full jetpack ...

If they make enemies being able to hit people flying, I want people flying to be able to hit enemies 🙂
If you are flying and can't hit anything then why would they hit you?
I get robots unable to hit a non-moving target is a problem. I think when the target starts moving and most players are just tossing bullets down range, then that is what should also be coming back... I am fearful of a dead squad of elite robot snipers all shooting someone and 0ing them as soon as they jump pack around a corner

golden pike
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you also want to remove jumping out of grapples so you cant get a speed boost from that?

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or bunny hop to conserve momentum?