Love the game, h8 the bot

[glad umbra]

Best coop game in a long time but Buddy is too OP. Removes the incentive to coop. And YES i play this game with my friends, its is not the point.
But a coop game where You can solo with a companion.. where have we seen that before and it ruined the game?

[ancient mist]

Not everyone wants to be required to play coop and not everyone has the time to sit down and play a full multi-player session. I think it's honestly perfect for those people cause even with being so powerful as you put it, a lot of people still prefer playing with others..

[warm sail]

If you don’t like solo play, don’t play solo. Simple solution. You want coop, play coop. Don’t take away solo players’ features just because you disagree with them.

[glad umbra]

Oh I'm so stupid.. why didn't i think of that

[dreamy drum]

For once you're right, regarding your last comment ofcourse not the post

[limpid rain]

The devs never intended players to have to play with others. That's why buddy exists

It is still recommended to play with others for the full coop gameplay

[void creek]

Whats with the wave of people thinking buddy is too good?
Like do you want to run around the ship putting out fires, reloading ammo and repairing the ship
The only way you can reasonably do that in higher diffs is by having buddy pilot so if anything he needs a buff

[limpid rain]

Besides, they mentioned wanting to add the ability to disable buddy

[dreamy drum]

Its the same guy who made a post earlier , he deleted it and made another

[void creek]

Ohh

[dreamy drum]

Dev even replied in other post

[ancient mist]

Buddy being buffed would be great, my friends don't always wanna play nor do I want to play with randos. So buddy lets me keep playing by myself

[pliant owl]

he might even get improvements , if you talk to buddy ingame
he talks about some upcoming improvements

ingame while on the ship *

and its also on roadmap

[rancid patio]

Co-op is more fun but buddy is nice when my social battery is low. I appreciate having options.

[zinc smelt]

Do you think you’ll get a different result if you delete your first post and make a new one?

Why play in co-op? Because it’s fun! It’s that simple.
I played the game solo at first and it was fun, then I played it with a friend and it was even more fun, then I played it with 2 friends and it was SO much more fun again!

Yes, it’s a co-op game, and Buddy makes it possible to play solo without issues, and it even has mechanics that sometimes make me want to play alone instead — but that’s not a bad thing! If I feel like playing but none of my friends are online, otherwise I wouldn’t be able to play at all. That would be the alternative, and it’s a crappy alternative.

[glad umbra]

Trolls and hijackers took over the thread.

I am entitled to have my own opinions. I already pointed out that I love the game, it is incredible that you can't express your opinion on a mechanic that you don't disagree on without being trolled and harassed.

Already stated that I play this game with friends.

The turn into making this a single player game is just wrong. Been a gamer long enough to have seen the downfall of online games failing once players can solo.

I just want the best for JS

[tall maple]

isnt it better to just be able to mod what Buddy can do? like either turn him completely off or only confide him to the ship for repairs, so no battle station or on ground support

[unborn turtle]

I'll continue to make improvements to the buddybot and try to balance him in such a way that you'd always prefer to play with a friend, but not make him so awful that playing solo feels terrible either.

First thing on the agenda is to allow you players to command him to not do certain tasks, also disable him completely. Well ofc expand his capabilities to use some of the special weapons and such he's not touching today.

That's in the immediate future, but ofc we want to see him take care of fires and fixing components as well.

[proud salmon]

The best for the game is to let people play it the way they want. Buddy allows for more options of play types. Don't force other players to only play the game the way you want to play it.

[vocal sky]

I play xbox and I still can't see anyone hosting public lobbies so... Buddy is the only way I can actually play this game

[rare elbow]

I feel just having an on/off toggle and then a priority list, with each task also having on/off would go a long way, which it looks like that's basically what is being worked on anyways

[zinc smelt]

You’ve already shared your opinion, and just because other people are trolling there doesn’t mean you have to become a troll yourself and spam everything here! Your opinion has been heard, and obviously people don’t like it, so writing it again won’t change that.

If you want to play solo, play solo; if you want to play co-op, play co-op. It’s that simple.

[glad umbra]

The background story is that my friend keeps yanking me into the game. He is pretty good at it. But on our adventures none of us sits in the combat station because buddy is an aimbot and hits every time and, I could be wrong, by the looks of it he shoots both rail and the turret at the same time.

Neither me or my friend rearms the ship or picks up the materia.

On foot my friend keeps calling me because he is now used to having buddy returning the loot.

So I end up either running around the ship turning out fires or fixing damage. On foot it more normal gameplay except I am always too slow 😝

My friend has no mean intentions at all. The bot is just a better companion than I am and that seems like a problem in my eyes.

Shouldn't the attraction be to play with more friends to get more players and so on? Like the picture of the game frontpage. The more the marrier.

[glad umbra]

Reposting is spamming?

Previous thread was completely hijacked and I can't delete it. No real discussion only arguments on just DON'T play the game. Is not an argument

[rough owl]

What is it that you want to be doing in the game? Because Buddy doesn’t do anything that a player can’t already do, he’s just there to fill in the gaps

[proud salmon]

That's fine. That's how you and your friend play the game. But that's not how everyone else does it. I kick buddy out of the gunnery seat because I want to shoot stuff. And I hop out and refill ammo/shields because it's more fun to be engaged in the game. As soon as you get to 3 people Buddy automatically shuts off, and more crazy stuff happens, by design. And it's good.

[glad umbra]

Same argument with different words.

[proud salmon]

Also, I'm pretty sure your friend just likes playing the game with you, they don't care that buddy might be more effective than you at certain things.

Buddy just helps smooth things out so that you have better chances for success at fewer players

[rough owl]

Players shouldn’t be forced to play multiplayer if they don’t want to. And, it’s still harder to play with fewer people than with more, especially on the ground combat side of things in my experience

[glad umbra]

For the game to get more players, more money, wouldn't it be a better focus on keeping it a multi-player game. Urging people to invite their friends. Engage with the community. Use discord to find groups. Coop!

And let lesser games go on the soloplayer offline route

[rough owl]

I would rate “difficulty of play” with 3 players as the most difficult, then 1 player, 2 players, and finally 4 players being the easiest

[proud salmon]

No, this game allows for both styles of play which makes the game more accessible to a wider audience

[rough owl]

It’s a lot harder to convince people to play a game with you than I think you think it is.

[proud salmon]

If it was strictly multiplayer, I wouldn't have bought it

if it was strictly single player, I wouldn't have bought 10 copies for friends

[rough owl]

If the game was not playable solo, and I was not the type of person who is okay with looking for groups on the discord, then I would have refunded it already.

I have mentioned it to my friends and they are largely not interested — space games aren’t their thing

[warm sail]

If you want the game to get more players, you need to let the people playing coop play AND let the solo people play solo. If you shut out the solo players, you will 100% lose sales.

[proud salmon]

Trust the devs, they're making a great game!

[glad umbra]

Noticed the difference. It's a double edged sword though. Playing solo will get you to the endgame faster. Isn't the success of a game the longevity and the journey is the best part, not the destination.

[glad umbra]

Once again, I love the game. Best coop in a loooooong time.

[rough owl]

Firstly, it’s easier to do harder missions with a full crew, so that’s the fastest way to progress.

Secondly, the “endgame” right now is very limited because the game is in early access.

[proud salmon]

Endgame? I don't think most people would be worried about that. Especially when you do multiplayer modes.

[rough owl]

The developers are focusing on polishing the core systems and gameplay mechanics, making the core gameplay loops feel good and run well, and building a solid foundation to add more content. Things like more sectors, more ships and weapons, etc, all take large amounts of developer time because of the assets involved

[zinc smelt]

If you repost a post while the old one still exists, I would call that spamming — especially, where does spamming start and where does it end? With 2 posts? 3? 5?

And yes, the argument “play something else” absolutely doesn’t count in this case, because you’re complaining about something that doesn’t actually hinder your gameplay! If you’re playing co-op anyway, the bot is irrelevant to you, so why complain?

It’s a co-op game without competitive mechanics or PvP! No one is at a disadvantage when the bot is active, so just let the bot be a bot and enjoy the game with your co-op crew!

It would be a different story if you said it was too strong and needed a nerf, or that the bot is too dumb and doesn’t do what’s needed at the moment!

[glad umbra]

Please don't patronize me man. I am not attacking anyone! I want the game to succeed.
I am pointing out that the game has an aimbot, USED to be a curse word in gaming. But in this case, it seems to be just fine.

[glad umbra]

You are not even participating in the discussion here, just going to ignore you

[proud salmon]

Buddy needed those improvements though, he wasn't very good during the demo. People complained, and the devs listened. I think more people want Buddy to be competent.

[rough owl]

“I’m not attacking anyone”
proceeds to shut down a legitimate response to his own comment

[glad umbra]

Fair enough

[rough owl]

The other thing about Buddy being competent is that it lets the ground enemy spawn rates be appropriately exciting.

There isn’t that much of a decrease in spawn rate from 2 players to 1 player, if any, because Buddy helps you out. So fights still feel exciting rather than just like one wave of shitty bots because you’re a single player

[zinc smelt]

Lol, do what you want, it’s up to you. I just find it funny that you think that would bother me, especially since I have been participating in the discussion with my replies.

But hey, ignoring is obviously easier when you don’t have any arguments!

[rough owl]

lol you literally replied to one of his messages directly addressing it and then he said that wasn’t “participating in the discussion”

[proud salmon]

Now now, let's not fight folks. Better to jump into the game together as friends. 🙂

[rough owl]

facts

[glad umbra]

Well, if I may put my own wish in the jar. Make him pick up a fire extinguisher and put out fires if I sit in the combat chair and fill in for my friend when his game crashes for the 3 time on a run 😂

[rough owl]

One of the devs has mentioned additional Buddy functionality such as fire fighting being on their list

[glad umbra]

Also want fire extinguisher thrust in space for that matter

[rough owl]

They’re basically just slowly making their way through polishing/updating the core systems.

The first update will have the shop and some new sectors, along with compatibility/bugfixes. Other things on their shortlist are a Dart layout rework, a shield rework, and Buddy updates

[warm sail]

There are threads about that. I would suggest participating in one of them

[zinc smelt]

Yeah, you know, these days you apparently have to write a 30-page text and submit it as an application before you’re considered a participant in a discussion. Of course, I haven’t done that yet, so I guess I’m just decorative fluff! ^^

[glad umbra]

If you are talking to me, I am still think adding an aimbot to a game should not be normalized I am old fashioned like that.

[glad umbra]

Also I made one a week ago with a nice picture of wall-e

[pliant owl]

Infact buddy can't do something's a player can do

[void creek]

Id suggest cranking the difficulty to 5s and 4s then

At higher diffs its pretty critical to upkeep shields which buddy cant really do

[granite portal]

The "trolling" in question was me questioning the fact that they and another person were simply making personal attacks at each other rather than actually discussing

Anyways, my opinion on this is pretty clear from the last post. It's good that Buddy is competent and can actually help when you're down some crewmates. Perhaps it could be slowed down a bit, in that he doesn't just do them instantly, but I still think he should be able to do all these tasks

The upside to co-op is you get to play with a friend you enjoy the company of. A bot that does things for you is always going to be better than a fallible person of meat and bone

[woven ice]

#1421991761927999549 ! This will make everybody love buddy.

[warm sail]

Noooooo! We must gatekeep solo teleportingggggg

[strong cipher]

will he be able to make a grilled cheese?

[lament hornet]

Buddy is fine. Even if he would be OP( which he isn't) I would not play the game alone. For me playing a game like this solo, is absolutely boring. For me the fun comes with chaos of coop coordination. So I am fine with the fact, that buddy is strong.

The only problem I see right now:
You can not play with 3 people. You are missing out on buddy and the 4th man.

[lament hornet]

Seems like your friend has to improve his social skills 🙂

[floral cove]

i would absolutely shit myself having to multitask putting the fires out and fixing the engines without buddy in solo

https://tenor.com/view/main-gif-gif-26624917

[glad umbra]

nah hes lovable ^^ I'm the slow one

[lament hornet]

3,4,1,2
That would be my opinion.

[glad umbra]

I'd say with a random pug who just runs off doing his own thing while the ship is going down

[rough owl]

It probably depends how good your teammates are. With a solid crew of 4, it feels pretty easy, but Buddy can be better than a bad teammate depending on what they’re doing

1 and 2 players definitely feel pretty well balanced between Buddy and the decreased enemy spawn rate balanced for 1/2 players

[woven ice]

Maybe they should bring back his cowboy voice and make it so you can never turn him off no matter the crew size

[warm sail]

Or make him communicate exclusively with christmas carols

[ancient mist]

I like buddy the way he is, to put is constructively, he's strong but that's because he has to cover the roll of other players when you're left to play alone. For one reason or another people play by themselves whether they choose to because they don't want to play with randos, they are streaming because they are a streamer and don't want to risk a rando breaking ToS for them, or maybe all the friends went to bed for the evening and you wanna get one more run in.

The game encourages coop but lets not force people to play it by destroying the one thing that makes solo play doable entirely because we don't know why people are playing alone.

[woven ice]

Yeah, he's really great for letting solo players play, and filling in gaps in a 2 player ship. That being said he will get stronger, will be able to do more things, and he will be able to be customize what he can or can't do

i also remember seeing the devs that there may be an option to turn him off

[ancient mist]

I love that he can cover for me when me and friend are playing a duo! My partner is the pilot and I love boarding so it saves me from trouble XD

[mystic dove]

I kinda agree that buddy with the combination of spawn scaling makes soloing quite easy, not sure if it's a bad thing. As in, for example, I can solo a lvl 10 mission in Helldivers 2 no problem but it isn't fun. Jump Space feels more fun even as solo even while I understand the differences with the two games.

This all being said, maybe buddy could be optional?

[delicate sundial]

Deep Rock Galactic would like to speak to you

[ancient mist]

Making him optional would be far better then removing features from him, there are plenty of players who want to play solo for one reason or another after all.

[mystic dove]

100% agree

[rough owl]

This is the secret sauce in my opinion, and the reason why they should leave him in the game and maybe have the option to disable him. They should absolutely not remove him entirely, because he is what allows the enemy spawn rates on solo to be high enough to make things exciting, whereas in other games with no form of AI companion the solo mode either turns into a snoozefest or an impossible task due to you being overwhelmed. Having Buddy allows the difficulty to be reasonable while still being fun and not boring

[dreamy drum]

#1422107132257636363 message

developer's reply btw

[tranquil flume]

I don't really have the time or opportunity to play with others, so expanding Buddy's capabilities would help a lot - especially if he could use other special weapons like the shield. It'd certainly make the asteroid storm maps a lot less irritating. Or just give the pilot a way to trigger it.