Make the multi-tool not take a slot

[teal comet]

Basically, we should be able to carry 4 items plus the multi-tool. I think this should solve a lot of issues and also help with the whole 'keep weapon or not after each mission ends' discussion.

[dawn pagoda]

I like it! You have my multitool in support.

[unique cosmos]

i think a cool idea would being merging the multi tool with 1 weapon. so you would have to find a mk3 of the weapon to do it. it would have the str of a mk1 after but you would have infinate ammo and the other muti tool abilitie

[teal comet]

a bit OP to give it infinite ammo imho
btw, do better mks increase the total ammo capacity of a gun?

[unique cosmos]

no they have higher damage and some visual differences

and i dont really see them being op. in difficulty 1&2 you are finding mk1 anyways in 3+ multi tool doesnt have the damage to kill anything fast enough so you would have to constanly run and hide to not die

[teal comet]

I love the javelin but I feel the ammo count is not enough to do a full on-foot combat encounter, maybe I should be swapping to multi-tool for the small enemies

[tame pond]

This is a great idea actually, especially considering that you're not even supposed to be able to drop the multitool

[teal comet]

exactly, it's always there with you and we love it, but should not take a slot and I see that now that I've played more of the game both solo and in group mode

[next aspen]

Bring ammo box with you

It solved it for me

[left bear]

This is the same as just asking for another item slot. It will always be the multitool + N items for some number N. I would rather they make inventory size and the behavior of the multitool be things you can change with your spec (when they add character progression in the first phase of updates) instead of just giving a flat buff to everyone

[unique cosmos]

thats why i suggested being able to fuse a mk3 weapon with the multitool but have its str drop to an mk1

[teal comet]

Not enough slots 😉

[valid mesa]

Mhh so sorta like disassembeling the multitool and using it as an bulky attachment to an mk3 gun?

[unique cosmos]

ya but it would function like a mk1 gun but have inf ammo and the other multi tool abilities

[teal comet]

You can't drop the multi-tool so I feel like it shouldn't be part of the slot system 😛

[valid mesa]

Mhh maybe something like that would be nessesary if we get melee weapons. Droping the pistol for the wrench or whatev and putting the door unlock attachment on another gun

[unique cosmos]

you gonna go around bashing enemies with a wrench when you run out of ammo

[valid mesa]

Difficult with all these drones

[shadow timber]

Now y'all are getting greedy! 🤣

[unique cosmos]

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[shadow timber]

3 slots is just the right amount to have to really consider what you're bringing with you

[tame pond]

Fair point

[unique cosmos]

fusing 1 gun with the mutli tool wouldnt really do much in the lower levels but help in the higher ones where the mutlitool just doesnt have enough damage

[teal comet]

I just see the beloved multi-tool as part of my space suit 🙂

[unique cosmos]

and you could keep it that way if you want

[valid mesa]

And it would help with the eventual inclusion of melee weapons that would take up a slot

[shadow timber]

Isn't the wrench suppose to be used in place of the multi tool?

[valid mesa]

If youre out of ammo and your wrench replaces your multitool infinite ammo pistol youre fucked against flying drones

[shadow timber]

Better hope your double jump reaches

[valid mesa]

So melee weapons wont probably replace multitools

We will see

[shadow timber]

Guess we'll see when they come out!

Either way, I don't see multitools taking up a slot, more that it's just a hotkey. 3 slots is frustrating because it's just below the number you need to comfortably carry everything you would generally want with you

A crew of 4 with 16 slots is insane

[valid mesa]

Yeah normaly ammo health primary and secondary. Everybody just having three slots encourages teamwork. Alternativly they could have put in auto health regen in it like cod. Which would make everyone a camping one man army ^^

[left bear]

There's fundamnetally no difference though. You have a multitool bound to 1, and you have 3 item slots bound to 2, 3, and 4. Asking for the multitool not to count is just saying you want another item slot on 5.

[upbeat valve]

So you want an additional inventory slot? You should understand that multitool does not take a slot, it just we only have 3 empty slots available to us. And as far as i am concerned, its ok. Makes you choose what to carry with you.

And i think right now its pretty well balanced.

[teal comet]

mechanically maybe, but it brings peace of mind

[teal comet]

yes I want a new one 🙂

[left bear]

I'm saying that's the way it already is. 1 multitool and 3 item slots. How could they change it to bring peace of mind? Alter the UI? Change the default keybind?

[unique cosmos]

thats why my idea is a bit of a middle ground. you dont get another slot but give it better functionality since after you hit 3+ its only useful for opening doors.

[teal comet]

I think I have played a lot of DRG, L4D2, VT2 and DT so I'm used to having more?

[upbeat valve]

Adding slots will bring a lot of problems.
Currently the game balanced around the idea that player shouldn't have enough ammo to go though a combat.

Or you can take second weapon with you, but then you will have only a single slot to carry things.

The amount of empty slots player have is balanced around the amount of loot we get on the mission.

So by adding slot, player could carry additional weapons, which will make ammo boxes basically useless, because combined ammo of two weapons are usually enough to go through a combat, and you still be able to carry all loot you find.

One solution to that would be reducing amount of ammo per gun you can carry, another to have weapons share ammo. But let be honest, no one would like either of that.

[unique cosmos]

if you dont have enough ammo to get through combat you fail and die. like i said not adding another slot. upgrading the mutitool to be more usefull in the harder difficulties while still making you need to carry weapons.

[upbeat valve]

So adding another, non-combat related feature to multitool? Because if you make it better as a weapon, to the extent to make ot "useful", it will remove the need to carry weapons. But if you imrove it combat capabilities only slightly it still be useless.

[teal comet]

Loving the healthy discussion here btw. For the record, I think at mission end you should lose everything you're carrying. And that loot should be more abundant in misisons. Vendors might change the whole game, let's see.

[unique cosmos]

Wow you didnt read a single thing i put forth good job.

[tame pond]

I think I'd rather keep my weapons actually

[upbeat valve]

I read it. The multitool not supposed to be good in combat, its just there as a "better then nothing" option, so you don't stand unable to do anything.

[tame pond]

With what you're suggesting, even if you could upgrade your multitool, you would still default to your other weapons

Because they're just better

[unique cosmos]

and once again you didnt read. you would find a mk3 weapon. combine it with the multi tool. it would now have the damage function of a mk1 with the abilities of the multi tool. guess what its still terrible in combat at 3+ and at 1 and 2 the multi tool is already enough if you are good.

[tame pond]

I guess my only question is, why?

Like

What's the point?

[upbeat valve]

And why would you need that?

It still bad, you still die without proper weapon

[unique cosmos]

because when you run out of ammo with the weapons you are carrying in 3+ the multi tool is usless you cannot survive with it.

[upbeat valve]

Wouldn't it be better to scrap extra weapons and convert it into anmo box?

But if you can survive with multitool, why carry better weapons?

[tame pond]

I've been playing solo for a while so I don't really know what the multiplayer experience is like, but

It's not that difficult to replenish your ammo

Especially when you return to the ship

[upbeat valve]

In MP one of players carries ammo box to the site.

[unique cosmos]

ya ammo isnt always an option in multi when you are locked in a room and you team is down

[tame pond]

I would argue that's poor preparation

There's an ammo restore station in the ship, it's very easy to replenish it, especially if you have 3 weapons + 3 other teammates

Not to mention the ammo box which you can also take with you to your next battle if, for whatever reason, you're down on ammo

[tame pond]

This only costs 2 materia

[teal comet]

preparation? who does that? MP is chaos 🙂

[tame pond]

You guys don't prepare?

[upbeat valve]

No, not really. And because of that we fail from time to time:) but that the part of the fun

[tame pond]

Maybe I should stick to solo...

[teal comet]

I always forget to reload on ship when going on foot, too much stuff happening outside LOL

[teal comet]

I love Solo to progress my story missions and try stuff out. I jump on MP to have the game tryly shine! Some hilarious situations happening.