Add a true roguelike mode

[deep hollow]

I think it would be awesome if you added a true roguelike mode down the road where you start from scratch every run and have to find everything. Ship components/weapons/gear etc. Would ad a lot of replayability too.

[gritty comet]

+1

[hybrid crystal]

Are you thinking this is an endless mode variant?

[deep hollow]

More like just an alternate way to play the main mode of the game. But it could work in endless mode too.

I guess the main monde is so integrated to the meta progression that having it work as a roguelike mode might not work

[hybrid crystal]

Yeah I'm like.. how would that work with multiple people switching a roguelike toggle for the whole game

Putting it in a segregated mission would work

[turbid tangle]

I'm thinking this but it takes 1.5-2 hours to complete and each stage is very quick, no needless waiting so that the gameplay is packed with action and you can upgrade a lot and frequently. And maybe make a final stage a boss fight

[deep hollow]

Yeah it would probably work better as a separate mode. I was thinking you start in the base as usual and pick your mission from the map but you start from scratch with ship/gear upgrades every time

[hybrid crystal]

mmmm big ship boss fight... don't get me started.. I have so many ideas personally..

[turbid tangle]

hahaha

[turbid tangle]

i bet it would be pretty difficult to implement so no need to rush that idea

[hybrid crystal]

It would be so killer... I love MMO raid mechanics

[turbid tangle]

oh hell yea

[deep hollow]

As long as you can still do it solo sure bring in a boss 😄

[hybrid crystal]

We could design things around 4 players (and a nerfed solo version)
to make a cohesive intended difficlty, without many modifiers that can interfere

Like you HAVE to do with with either 4 players or solo, no inbetween

[deep hollow]

Yeah that would work

[hybrid crystal]

And it's hard as shit. Perfect coordination or this battle cruiser will rock your shit

[deep hollow]

Challenge is good yeah

How is the proposed endles mode going to work exactly? Do you get any downtime at the base between missions or do you just jump from mission to mission directly?

[molten plume]

Big boss fights with mechanics are something that would be just awesome period

[turbid tangle]

so I'm thinking like 10 main stages and every 2 stages you have a break stage where you can manage your ship and upgrades (maybe add a shop in those break stages where you can buy upgrades and other stuff with idk leftover materia? or maybe another resource. MAYBE ADD A META CURRENCY THAT STAY AFTER A RUN??????? HOLY SHIT DUDE)
So in total would be 15 stages and the 16th stage would be the bossfight, but each stage takes less than 10min to complete

[molten plume]

I really liked the fire/ice bosses in void crew

[hybrid crystal]

The two variants we are thinking right now is

1. Just giving you the option to start another mission when you finish a mission, without the hangar in between. So you keep your ship and gear as it is and just keep going.
2. A dedicated Endless mission, where the jump map goes on forever until you die

[deep hollow]

The first option sounds better imo

[hybrid crystal]

There will be multiple ways to do it

[turbid tangle]

I don't think the second mode would be very popular since even normal missions can take up to 2 hours, and very little people can play longer than that at a time, unless you could save a run and continue the next day

but options are always nice so if it's easy to add those modes to the game then why not

[hybrid crystal]

That's fair. I think it'd be fun to give people the option, for those sickos who want to marathon and beat their high score. We currently don't have a "high score" thing to beat, it's just a great thing to give to players who want to beat their personal bests

[turbid tangle]

I was drawing a bit of inspiration from deep rock galactic: survivor

[hybrid crystal]

We're going to have a very wide playerbase, I have learnt not to underestimate just how differently people can approach a game in terms of what they want to do and how they play

[turbid tangle]

oh damn haha

[deep hollow]

Yeah there seems to be two camps
the roguelike camp and the no roguelike camp. The problem with no roguelike is you need to still have something to work for. Which means the devs will have to keep working on progression goals

[turbid tangle]

you keep forgetting the third camp, the rogueLITE camp, it's only a bit different but i personally hate roguelikes and love roguelites

[deep hollow]

I generally just use the term about games with roguelike elements

[molten plume]

You shouldn't when discussing it

There's a notable difference

I personally enjoy the limited reset and randomness

Not sure id enjoy the full reset

[deep hollow]

Both can be fun I think. But in general I value replayability a lot which prefers as much be reset as possible

Like Enter the Gungeon's way of doing it where you just unlock more stuff to appear in the game is a good way of doing it

[molten plume]

I very much enjoy having something to work towards. Upgrading the components in the demo was what me and my friends went for

[turbid tangle]

yea roguelikes get completely reset and roguelites have some kind of progression that never gets reset

[deep hollow]

The problem with roruglites is that often you end up overpowered and basically beat the game just by dying over and over and over
roguelike's are a lot more replayable.

Enter the Gungeon's way of doing it is a good one where you just unlock more stuff that appear on runs. Nothing that improves your stats or skills