zealous pulsar
Please make it so that Admnistrative realms can’t have their whole empire be conquered.
Is not historical to have the Mongols conquering the whole of byzantium and even the ottomans needed to conquer the whole realm and Constantinople so that the byzantine empire could end.
Make it so that is almost impossible hard for any realm to successfully siege an take Constantinople and that Constantinople needs to be conquered so a realm can conquer the whole empire.
That shoukd have been reworked with Roads to Power or Khans of the Steppe
blazing frost
while i could maybe agree with the reasoning behind the proposal (it not being historical), i don't agree with the proposal itself. do you want it to not be possible at all to conquer an admin empire with one cb (why admin realms specifically?) or just the byzantine empire? or do you not want mongols to conquer empires?
i don't like making up special rules just to try to keep things historical, which is already what's been happening with byzantium. on the one side, we don't want it be too strong and expand because it's "not supposed to", but now we want it to not be too weak so as not to get obliterated by a much stronger enemy. we're treating the symptoms instead of the root cause
zealous pulsar
while i could maybe agree with the reasoning behind the proposal (it not being h...
Just administrative and the Byzantines are the only one, so only them, but i could be okay with only being them exclusively.
I think its absurd that the Mongols can conquer the whole byzantine empire and i don’t think this would make them strong per see, so i don’t get the rejection of this idea
Do you guys really think its okay for the mongols conquering south italy, balkans or the whole greece in one war? Its absurdly ahistorical and it makes lots of bordergore
blazing frost
as i said, my main issue with it is that it's somewhat arbitrary. say the devs prevent him from attacking the byzantines, and now he goes further into europe for example and conquers the HRE. would that be fine? do we decide what's acceptable on a per-case basis?
besides, AUH is on the way, he'll have China and the rest of east Asia to contend with soon
zealous pulsar
Its not preventing the mongols from attacking them, its preventing having a empire title war goal, if they need to conquer the Byzantines they have to do it by kingdom/duchy war goal, and if the devs don’t want to take the empire war goal, so they need to make the mongols or any other to successfully siege Constantinople so they can win the war and take the whole empire
raven blade
Hard disagree, better this than the Byzantines never falling
besides, historically the Mongols took empires in China, which certainly deserves to be at least equivalent to admin
zealous pulsar
Hard disagree, better this than the Byzantines never falling
besides, historica...
Could at least be a game rule
zealous pulsar
For me it doesn’t make sense that admnistrative Byzantines can just be totally destroyed so easily, from inside ok, but from outside forces they managed to tank quite a lot for centuries…. Its just not historical what happens in game
floral meteor
I would suggest that the Mongol's empire tier CB could function someone like an invasion, where they only get the territory they actually successfully occupy during the war.
Except rather than going on a province by province basis, it could be based on vassals - anyone whose capital is occupied gets subjugated, so they only get the top title if they successfully occupy Constantinople, and even then, the Empire is likely to shatter with various governors and the like refusing to bend the knee.