Let Summons into TDM, CTF, and Arenas

[high oasis]

Summoning scrolls are expensive and a leveled summon is a badge of honor.

I dont understand why their usage is so limited

[high oasis]

Bump

[copper pagoda]

No 😂

[high oasis]

Why? We spend a lot to get them
Then spend a week+ leveling them
But then cant use them in organized play?

[lethal cave]

By this logic , would u be okay with pills charms and org items being in the events?

We also spend alot on those

[high oasis]

Battle Pills and Charms are from daily rewards, so its a bit different but Im not against it

Ive literally never used a charm or battle pill

The longer answer would be, let blood/chakra pills and food stuff but not daily login rewards

Org weapons ABSOLUTELY yes too

[hazy blade]

Both are also purchasable

[high oasis]

Then why the heck do they only stack to 3 and cant be placed in boxes?!

[hazy blade]

Oh, im talking about blood pills. Battle pills are meh

[high oasis]

Blood and Chakra pills should 100% be allowed

Same with food and summons and org items

Battle pills and charms I dont use, because why I am going to pop one then get killed by a random zerg in the DZ?

So it would be nice to have an excuse to use them

[hazy blade]

Both those are life savers in dz, idk what u talking about

[high oasis]

I just dont see the incentive to use them. Its like hording potions in a jRPG to me

Its better to have and not use, than to use and not have

But that's secondary

Summon scrolls are expensive and should be able to get used

I dont think players should be able to cast them before the match starts or anything

But let me pull out a summon while the other player spends that time to regen chakra

[hazy blade]

If your now using these items in DZ, it shows u are not efficient in DZ

Tournament and event settins are a different matter tho

As the same rules apply in Chunin Exams also

[high oasis]

The CE allows for everything but org weapons

[hazy blade]

Not true

In CE kages will 99% of the time prohibit the usage of pills and summons

[lethal cave]

We just see events and pvp integrity differently

[hazy blade]

Charms can be used tho

[lethal cave]

summons and pills massively alter and delay the outcome of pvp

they should never be allowed in controled regulated pvp events

Thats really all it comes down too

if you disagree with this its fine but id rather not even argue with you since we just see the game so differently

[high oasis]

You are simply a contrarian and hate anything that anyone says.
So put salt in your eyes or something

You regularly troll player ideas and should be banned from the discord

JSing

[high oasis]

Sand Kage seems to think summons and battle pills will be legal

There is really no excuse to not allow summons or pills or food in organized play

Its an element of PvP and should be embraced

[hazy blade]

How many Chunin Exams did u do?

[lethal cave]

Giving a opinion is not trolling

you can cry all you want but we are allowed to express our opinions here wether they are positive or negative

And i can assure you , you will never be banned from this discord for doing so.

[high oasis]

This will be my first

[lethal cave]

What your doing by saying im a troll and isulting me is actually worse and you would get banned faster

So respectfully, read the server rules.

Cause you dont seem to be aware of them

[hazy blade]

So u will see how it goes. These things are usually banned in 3v3 and 1v1 formats. Trust ne, I know

[high oasis]

But the point still stands

Summons are an important element in PvP and an expensive item to obtain and require dedication to level

It shouldnt be banned in TDM, CTF, or Arenas

[high oasis]

Go mouth breath somewhere else

[high oasis]

I hope everything is legal in the Chunin Exams
The magical ban fairy should back off a little bit and let people use the things they earned

[lethal cave]

And people wonder why they ideas go nowhere and ueda doesnt read them
Any disagreement = trolling and is an okay to insult users, bro wont last long it seems

[uncut forge]

Ngl, I seen some chak meds do 1v1 with clam its so damn op 😂

[uncut forge]

I feel like this is up to the kage to decide, no? Just it's usually not allowed from what I've seen.

[high oasis]

Then summon contracts shouldnt be a 1% chance

The use is basically cosmetic

Its a well earned item and shouldn't be universally banned

[copper pagoda]

idk if i should comment it after we seen what is in this post

[lethal cave]

Probably not 🤣

Hes not looking for opinions hes looking for validation

[high oasis]

Nah. I enjoy the feedback of intelligent people

You just vomit from your finger tips and troll every player idea in an attempt to feel like you matter to someone

You have an obvious habit of worthlessness that can be clearly seen, and has been consistently demonstrated, over time

[lethal cave]

Funny how your the one accusing me of bad behaviour whilst simulataneously insulting people in your own post

All of this over a contrary opinion to which i finished with " we just disagree"

This post gonna end up locked because of what ur doing 🤣

[copper pagoda]

🍿

[lethal cave]

I have said enough

Learn how to discuss ideas

[high oasis]

Ive see you time and time and time again intentionally derailing player ideas because you have nothing better to do and no one who appreciates you existence

Im willing to call you out for your garbage and consistently toxic behavior

[copper pagoda]

nah dont stop

i just made a popcorn

[lethal cave]

You will never see it implemented if u post ideas and debate them like this

Literally all ur gonna get is a post lock

[lethal cave]

You and maybe a group of 2-3 people think what i do is derailing

Everyone else understands what debating is.

[copper pagoda]

i mean basically shortcut about summons

all nin community who have more than 10 iq

[high oasis]

Again, you arent here to discuss any ideas

Ive engaged with you for a long time, across multiple topics, and I completely understand why you are the way you are

Im honestly sad for you

[lethal cave]

Im here to give my opinion

Wether u want to discuss its up to you

However

[copper pagoda]

after they hear summon in duel tournament or w/e they remind theirself atrane video how he get clowned

[lethal cave]

This is not a free pass to insult people

[copper pagoda]

with summon

[lethal cave]

And ur idea will go nowhere if u insult people

Which is what you did

[copper pagoda]

you want summon get it brother but dont force rules in overrulling pvp for me summons should be kicked from whole game and everyone would be happy

[high oasis]

XD what video??

And summons are really only impactful in small scale combat.

In large groups they dont land on the right target and or die instantly as collateral in AoEs

[lethal cave]

You should reflect om the server rules.
Theres a reason why im never muted or banned its because i never broke the rules .
Having a different opinion is not grounds for being called a contrarian

However insulting someone is ban worthy

[copper pagoda]

sure mate good we have only frog monkey and hawk in that game

....

[sterile elm]

@copper pagoda popcorn finished?

[copper pagoda]

HOW THIS GAME WOULD LOOKS LIKE IF WE HAD A SNAIL A CLAM OR PANDA WHICH STUNNING FROM 10KM

[copper pagoda]

nah still up

want some ?

[high oasis]

Im definitely looking forward to the rework

I used my slot for a puppet until summons arent just mindless drones they need killed before you can charge chakra

That said, players earn it and should be able to use it in organized PvP

[sterile elm]

Mhm mhm

[copper pagoda]

💌

[sterile elm]

👀 🍿

[high oasis]

;D

[copper pagoda]

brother people earned akatsuki ring or not they still have it

you telling me it would be fair they use a fooking w/e + point they have in tourneys ce's etc ?XD

[high oasis]

Akat ring isnt 17 to 20k and a minimum of 7 days to level

[copper pagoda]

sure its much more

[sterile elm]

You guys care a lot, I like the heart and commitment to making the game better. Different opinions but still /clap

[lethal cave]

Everyone spending time here cares about the game yeah

[high oasis]

This is about summons, but I also think Org items, battle/blood/Chakra pills, food/drink should all be allowed

[copper pagoda]

guys im ex kage i cant even wear my fcking hat

and you telling me YOU DESERVE TO USE SUMMON EVERYWHERE XD ?

[high oasis]

That is sad and should be changed

[high oasis]

You deserve to use it

Thats the point of earning it

[copper pagoda]

you still dont see logic in what i just told you

[lethal cave]

What about the point of making pvp fair for everyone by not allowing org buffs , summons and other extra pvp mechanics in regulated pvp events?

Or is the point making sure players who arent in a official org have a massive disadvantage?

[copper pagoda]

maybe this way

(yes it was a joke about hat idc)

but the point of all this RESTRICTION is

to make pvp just NORMAL to everyone

[lethal cave]

Yep

[copper pagoda]

bro i can make 3 ppl party with akat ring which you wont kill with even 30 summons

if you wont 1shot them

because heals gonna be to stronk

[lethal cave]

Summons arent even fun to use

They are clunky atm.

[copper pagoda]

they are annoying

everytime i see person with summon on 1v1 i want to kms

[high oasis]

Thats why I am here to discuss summons and not org items

Getting granted a free God Mode is a total different issue XD

[copper pagoda]

the saddest thing i ever see

is while as we play

usually WE ARE OUTNUMBERED with my mates

at least x2

and THEY STILL ALL POP SUMMONS

and poping pills like candies

[lethal cave]

Polish mafia not big dogs anymore time moves on 🤧

[copper pagoda]

and still we clap x2/3 numbers of us yep you are right 😂

im always wondering how people getting achiv like hospital addict or w/e name of it

then i remind myself what we fighting against every time we going or fight in takumi or any other village 👍

[high oasis]

XD +30 fort and +20 everything else is pretty devastating

Considered 51 to 60 gives 4 points each, thats 110 points up

[lethal cave]

General skill level is very low atm even i can 1v3 these days

[high oasis]

That said, summons are something everyone can get at level 30

Its like saying the final jutsu of every mastery cant be used in a tournament

[copper pagoda]

yes 20+ point to everything and 30 fort is DEVASTATING because you can make a perfect build with that

not forcing me to adding additional 30 fort point makes my heals stronger BY 30 POINTS

that 20 points also make me be able to PUT 20 LESS TO INT FOR DMG and still doing same dmg

jesus christus

[copper pagoda]

ye last time i've been mist like week ago i was fighting 3v6

[high oasis]

Akat should get Jutsu, not stat bonuses

But new jutsu take time to make, and dumping a dumb amount of stats on a ring is easy

[copper pagoda]

after video rewatch it was actually 3v21

if you know what i meant

[high oasis]

All that said, everyone can get a summon

[copper pagoda]

not everyone

[high oasis]

It shouldn't be banned from tournament play

[copper pagoda]

if you want to be good medic you have no space for it

i you are fan user you have no space for it

if you are wm hibrid you have no space for it

[high oasis]

Thats a players decision not to get it

[copper pagoda]

no that's how balance looks like

not player decision

if you dont have 1 jutsu that can be really cruel to ya ass

that means oyu gonna die like little poss

[high oasis]

If its balanced, then why not let summons into the TDM CTF and Tournaments??

[copper pagoda]

and gg

ok lemme answer it with question

what gonna happen if 100 ppl cast jutsus on 1 map ?

imagine now what gonna happen if instead 100 ppl you have 200 on 1 map

thank you

aditionally idk if you even know about A PROJECTILES CAP on map ?

you know what cap is ?

of objectives that dont allow you to cast any projectiles ?

[high oasis]

I dont particularly care what the cap is, but if you are saying it is to low then believe you and I support raising it

[copper pagoda]

xDDD

ya why we wont buy better servers @opaque plinth

why not

or rewrite whole code to works better with million objects in 1 map

why we dont make it wow quality

😂

ah right

bro your answers are ♿

litreally you want something but you dont understand many things and even more like you said " i dont praticularly care"

@lethal cave he is yours

[high oasis]

If object pooling isnt being used, then it should be?

You dont need to spawn/destroy every projectile uniquely.

In game development, you create a pool of pre-spawn object that arent visible or interactive on the map

Object Pooling is how most games handle 100s of projectiles and hordes of enemies at a time

[high oasis]

I understand exactly what it takes

[copper pagoda]

you dont because you talking about THEORY of programming engine

not about ACTUAL ENGINE

neither you neither me understand nin engine because i didnt wrote it you neither

and if game is getting bombed IF WE HAVE 255 OBJECTIVES ON MAP

that means that's what engine ALLOWS FOR

[lethal cave]

i gave up when i said " we just disagree so i wont argue more " and he proceed to insult me after despite me saying a totally reasonable and not agressive sentence

all yours bro enjoy

[high oasis]

Object pools are very easy to setup and are likely already included, though I dont know for sure

[copper pagoda]

even you against me

[lethal cave]

They wonder why the ideas get closed

or ueda ignores them

and one the same post they insulting users 😭

its actually insane

[uncut forge]

Nah fr, I can't believe ppl want summons to actually be good it would make pvp so trash.

[copper pagoda]

ok if its that simple dm rory get a job as codder and repair server or code problem

i see NO PROBLEMO brother

[copper pagoda]

their existance is already hurting for my soul

pve summons sureeee idc

pvp go to hell

[high oasis]

me: we spent a lot of ryo and time to get/level summons, so we should be allowed to you them
you: GET A JOB!

XD
❤️

[copper pagoda]

i didnt said get a job

[uncut forge]

This topic crazy 😭

[copper pagoda]

why you are reading what you want to read

not whole

[copper pagoda]

i said go get a job from rory as codder and repair this issue

then we can talk

[high oasis]

But for real though

Summons arent an exclusive thing like an org item

They are earned and it takes time to level
That should be rewarded by letting them be used in tournaments and the new game modes

[copper pagoda]

my anbu mask is also earned my akat rings are also earned via i was creating history as second and 3rd gen of this game

why i cant use akat buffs till today ?

not fair

[uncut forge]

You really want to see tdm with 30 summons 😭

[copper pagoda]

bro i would take everyone with clam with me

put traps

[high oasis]

This is a topic about summons, as I have stated earlier I also believe org items should be allowed

[copper pagoda]

clams

and tell someone to come

coming to good trap setup is already hard with clam if you have good mindset almost impossible solo

gl with 20 clams

fcking minefield

and see

[high oasis]

Thats literally the point, to create more dynamic game play by rewarding players for their efforts in leveling a summon in the first place

[minor radish]

GG @high oasis, you just advanced to level 14!

[copper pagoda]

your mindset if lets make something totally unbalanced

[high oasis]

Why is it unbalanced??
This isnt a topic about balancing summons, this is a topic about letting players use them in tournaments, TDM, and CTF

[copper pagoda]

but you want it make unbalanced

you really did read what i said what could you do

[high oasis]

summons being balanced is another topic entirely though

[copper pagoda]

and that's not even hard to do

summons are op if you know how to use them proper way

even now

even more

[high oasis]

So let people show off their skill?

Thats the point of a tournament, no?

[copper pagoda]

braindead player can use them as outnumber thing

even as a meatwall

what is braindead

but still annoying

[high oasis]

The numbers are balanced by default when the teams are made automatically

[copper pagoda]

sure

sadly not masteries are balanced

and 1 side always dont have more than 1 lowbie medic ❤️

[high oasis]

Im Fan Med atm.. I know this

[high oasis]

Players under level 35 shouldnt be allowed in tournaments and such, but thats a different topic

I would LOVE organized battleground queues that are village based, instead of randomly popping up at midnight

I would LOVE to join a 2v2 or 3v3 tournament with the friend(s) in my party

[copper pagoda]

ok i agree for everything but my calm need to walk

thanks

if she wont walk no agree

[high oasis]

You should be able to carry it to a new location

or have the clam use its tongue to slowly grab itself, like real clams do

[copper pagoda]

i want my clam to have niby nózki

if not not agree

[high oasis]

I want a clam as a Sandie xD

But all of these ideas deserve their own threads

[copper pagoda]

get gut son play mist

[high oasis]

And have nothing to do with letting players use their earned/leveled summons in tournaments and TDM and CTF

[high oasis]

Sand has the absolutely best player community

[copper pagoda]

well earned

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you talking about it like you had to kill a freaking TITAN to obait a summon

[high oasis]

Be a new player and get a 1% success on an item with a 0.1% drop rate
Or earn 17,5k ryo

Either way, that is well earned

[copper pagoda]

or be lucky and get it on first try

esz ?

[high oasis]

You can be lucky and get anything first try
Claymore, Blood Fan, Addy Staff

EZ

But not reality

[copper pagoda]

ye but for that you need to kill a boss first 👍

not a larva

[high oasis]

Reality is that a it takes a lot to get a summon and to get it leveled.
Its the hardest and most expensive jutsu, not sure if you knew that

[copper pagoda]

ye spending everyday for 30 sec to master your summon in 5 days actually not 7 (just saying) is really big struggle

i think as hard as dropping a yamazaru

[high oasis]

You said it not me

[copper pagoda]

and name of it is

sarcasm

[high oasis]

I do appreciate you helping me keep this conversation on the top of the charts though

[copper pagoda]

ye trying my best waiting when @vague oriole or other mod close it

[high oasis]

Trying to get someone you disagree with silenced is very noble

The real PvP in Nin is on Discord

You cant macro your way through this like you do in game

[copper pagoda]

imagine being that bad as steezo to use macro ing

[high oasis]

who is steezo?

[copper pagoda]

exactly 🙂

[high oasis]

XD

Well, Steezo's macroing ass deserves to use summons in TDM, CTF, and Arenas as well

Even if he is bad

[copper pagoda]

still nah

[high oasis]

You are allowed to hold that opinion
Totally valid

[copper pagoda]

but i made good arguments

for now you made only argument "it's well earned"

[high oasis]

The difference is, I dont think you shouldnt be allowed to share it and I dont try to get your topics closed for doing so

[copper pagoda]

the reasony why this topic should be closed is your own comment to eleven

[high oasis]

and your arguments are that its annoying and Rory is bad at programming

[copper pagoda]

nope

read it again

this time WHOLE SENTENCES

[high oasis]

Your broken english is hard to interrupt, but im doing my best

[vague oriole]

why @ me

whats happening here

[copper pagoda]

to close this topic already

bascially

[high oasis]

Dude is mad that I think summons should be allowed

[vague oriole]

what did u do now sukki

[copper pagoda]

not me this time

to be funnier

orka was insulting eleven

[high oasis]

Wants my topic closed, so him and the 11 year old are trying to kill it

[copper pagoda]

because they didnt agree

[high oasis]

no no. I insulted him because he is a blight on the community and toxic in the player idea section all day

[copper pagoda]

slur is a slur

[vague oriole]

Rule of thumb is, I lock topics that exceed 250+ replies to preserve them and keep them somewhat readable for the devs/staff. Topic is not hidden etc. Most of the time topics in that reply range have lost track of original theme and discussion