Risky Blade dance adjustment

[boreal mason]

Its a lvl 15 Jutsu

[vivid light]

Are level 15 jutsus supposed to punish their own users more than they provide benefit to them ??
Because it's not the case for any other level 15 jutsus of any other mastey, they all provide a balanced risk/reward outcome after usage m, this one doesn't !! it will get you punished 100% of the time cuz it teleports you RIGHT in ur enemy line of fire and STUNS you there to eat all of it

[patent igloo]

What does that have to do with anything he said?

[boreal mason]

everything - its a jutsu you get early game - Risky a few years ago did cancel and had no selfstun and players use the homing to combo for 300 damage

Its a homing that is enough at lvl 15

[light ridge]

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[patent igloo]

A homing that does low dmg and isn't really worth the risk of using. It's only really useful to try and get the last hit in or when jumping someone running.

[light ridge]

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[patent pawn]

Risky blade dance used to cancel jutsu

It got nerf for whatever reason

[outer nimbus]

What yall dont get is if risky doesnt have stun its a better flicker jutsu

Its a homing tp

It guarentees a free combo if u dont have self stun on it

And this made weapon master a very strong mastery where they basically could rush down anyone for free

[vivid light]

I already answered the "level 15 argument" , and quiet frankly its not an excuse as other masteries have excellent level 15 jutsus with great risk/reward ratios, dont forget that even early level jutsu ARE STILL used when u reach max level 60,so your argument doesn't make any sense, the jutsu will still be used at level 60 and it wont get an auto upgrade at that level so what is the point ? U admit that its bad cuz its a level 15 jutsu, and then what ? Are we supposed to delete the jutsu when we reach a higher level ???
Jutsus at level 10 are better too in matter of risk/reward, so "lvl 15" is an invalid argument for it to be this bad.

The risk/reward is just not worth using the jutsu at ALL
The damage is low, its literally nothing but a warp melee, it makes you extremely vulnerable and its just not worth using over a normal melee which doesn't get u stunned lol.

the jutsu was designed back when the game had limitations but now after all the AMAZING progress @rich hatch has done with the game by adding effects like slow, silence...etc so adding some complexity to the jutsu now that the game allows it would be possible, and would make it a bit more than juts a "warp melee" that punishes u very harshly whenever used
Or at least remove the self stun so we can use another great feature that Rory added "guard/deflect" when we land infront of the ennemy in order to reduce some of dmg we take if u insist that

Im merely asking to equilibrate the jutsu by at leaaast removing the self stun to make the risk/reward ratio of using it better cuz its very bad rn

[outer nimbus]

So it got nerfed and the skill is now a high dmg homing that has risk to it

[patent igloo]

You don't have to remove the selfstun to make the jutsu not borderline useless if its really a problem. Just give it a bleed, more dmg, or something.

[outer nimbus]

The jutsu is not useless

[patent igloo]

High dmg?

[outer nimbus]

If u dont play hybrid yes

[patent igloo]

I do around 80 dmg with 120str wouldn't call that high dmg at all 🤣

[outer nimbus]

Hybrid ur never gonna do high dmg with any of the wm str skills

[patent igloo]

I'm not hybrid

[outer nimbus]

What sword u got on

[patent igloo]

Iron Scythe

[outer nimbus]

See thats why lol

Ur using whats basically a hybrid sword

Its why ur risky dmg is "low"

[austere mortar]

i still dont like risky mind you

[patent igloo]

I mean the only sword realistic to get is crystal sword and I need 1 more level.

[austere mortar]

its a flame bullet but worse

[outer nimbus]

And once u do ur risky dmg is gonna go up

And this only gets worse

[patent igloo]

Don't bring up these swords almost no1 in the game has like Kraken hammer, Adam sword, etc.

[outer nimbus]

Once i give wm a adamantine sword

Risky becomes one of the highest dmg homings

Wm scales with the sword

The better sword u have the stronger it is

And its why all these wm jutsu caught nerfs because it was busted lmao

[austere mortar]

blood katana and crystal swords the best ones that are easy to get (relatively)

[outer nimbus]

The risky without self stun was too strong for pvp

[patent igloo]

Even with adam sword and 120str the build site says its only doing 104 dmg and that's with adam sword b4 they nerfed the dmg.

[austere mortar]

agreed, it should do something though, raw damage for something easily punishable aint worth

[outer nimbus]

So a homing stun that u can make risk free by using sub which also lets u combo back again at them is bad cause it only does 104 dmg

[vivid light]

So in order to stop a "free combo" the best solution is
"Lets stun the user, punish him and make him eat all of his ennemies damage with nothing to do about it except for wasting his sub before every cast" ????

Nah man, a better solution would be to put a mini stun on both the user or the receiver that way the risk/ratio us equilibrated, u dont get to combo off that homing BUT you also wont be severly ounished for using the jutsu
OR
Since the game now allows it we can make that the jutsu applies a SILENCE on the ennemy of a duration equivalent of the "mini self stun" of the caster that way it doesn't punish as hard this would be a better solution

[outer nimbus]

Yeah moonlight

U just dont get how busted it is because u havent seen it in game

[patent igloo]

Wasting your sub is risk free in a game full of cc?

[austere mortar]

Risky, and shockwave slash need some love tbh

[outer nimbus]

Cc thats not homing

Learn how to move

And cancel cc with ur own cc

[patent igloo]

Theres plenty of homing cc?

[outer nimbus]

Sub is not a defensive tool

[outer nimbus]

Yeah which u can either cancel or get out of with flicker

U dont need sub for that

[patent igloo]

Can do the same for risky no? You see the animation flash flicker away 🤣

[vivid light]

And no its not "high dmg"
I do 77 on my melle and 85 or less on that jutsu its basically a warp melee with slight more dmg as i said WHICH IS NOT WORTH IT because when u use it u will eat ALOT more guaranteed dmg cuz ur self stunned

[outer nimbus]

What weapon and str are you

Because ur wm jutsu wont deal dmg without a lategame sword or high str

The risky non self stun was a thing in the game for 7 years or more

We not tryna go back to that im ngl

Give it something else like a bleed

[vivid light]

120 str kyuketsuki and it litrrly doesn't matter man, its always going to be slightly higher than basic melee and not worth using due to risk/reward, u gain 10dmg points but risj taking 300/600+

[outer nimbus]

Not worth using a homing dmg skill

Is something i thought i would never read lmao

[austere mortar]

bleed or cancel, but only cancel if it takes a base dmg nerf

[outer nimbus]

Those are basically the best types of jutsus in this game btw

[outer nimbus]

Idc

[austere mortar]

rude

[outer nimbus]

Do anything else

[outer nimbus]

Sorry

[vivid light]

Bro is not even readin what we saying he just talking, smh ..

[light ridge]

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[outer nimbus]

I read what u said

I just disagree

[austere mortar]

hes right that risky shouldnt have its self stun removed

[outer nimbus]

Because we have gone through the non self stun risky meta already

[austere mortar]

we already have crescent for that anyway

[outer nimbus]

And it dominated the whole game

Wm was miles the best class in the game

Much because of risky and shadow shuriken

Those 2 got nerfed and mastery is now balanced

[austere mortar]

and still is in contention for best 1v1 class

[vivid light]

U disagree without giving any valid points, ive literally answered all ur points, and j keeo bringing how the jutsu was op back in the day, i gave new solutions and better alternative nkw that the game allows it , go up and read

[outer nimbus]

Exactly lmao

[patent igloo]

You def not reading. No one said you have to remove the selfstun and people mentioned multiple other routes like stunning the enemy just as long or adding a bleed etc.

[outer nimbus]

I already gave u the points

We already did this meta

This is not groundbreaking

[austere mortar]

it doesnt need a stun on the opponent

[outer nimbus]

We already know risky without stun is broken

[vivid light]

Read here please @outer nimbus

[outer nimbus]

Brother

Ur whole point

Someone else already made

100x

For months after the nerfs

I know the logic lmao

This was the most controversial wm change

And it only made the pvp better and more balanced

[patent igloo]

Can you talk in complete sentances 😭

[outer nimbus]

Your right actually sorry

[austere mortar]

@outer nimbus removing self stun and adding a 3 second silence could work

[outer nimbus]

Does nothing u still get risky melee+kunai for 300 dmg for free

Its still broken

[vivid light]

Bro can you read 😂

[blazing silo]

GG @vivid light, you just advanced to level 8!

[austere mortar]

oh yeah... silence doesnt stop that huh

[outer nimbus]

Silence does 0

U get risky kunai melee for insane dmg

It changes 0

[light ridge]

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[patent igloo]

Where 300 dmg come from 🤣

[outer nimbus]

Risky melee + kunai at high str is close to 300 dmg

[austere mortar]

risky 100, melee 100, kunai 100

[vivid light]

This dude not even reading.. smh ..

[old cape]

Every mastery have self stun in they kit

[austere mortar]

roughly

[outer nimbus]

Ur just not understanding because u havent seen it

We already had ur proposed change be in the game

[vivid light]

Bro i played the gale since 2017 tf u mean not seeing it 😂

[outer nimbus]

Its not balanced

[vivid light]

And even before that by years

[outer nimbus]

And u want it back ? Let me guess ur a wm main 😭

[vivid light]

The jutsu was op but this way of fixing it makes it absolutely bad

[outer nimbus]

Just not realistic at all lmao

[outer nimbus]

Its not bad

Its skill issue that u think that lmao

Its a homing dmg tp

Its legit free with sub and u get a combo off using sub

[austere mortar]

just make it a homing that self stuns actually, no warp

[outer nimbus]

U can also just wait to use risky when they dont have instant dmg and its also safe

[vivid light]

A homing that stuns you and lets u eat all the dmg the moment u land unless u waste a sub

[patent igloo]

That a good player will take advantage of making you take just as much if not more dmg.

[austere mortar]

the warp is actually bad

[outer nimbus]

Then use ur brain and time ur risky to when they used instant dmg jutsus

[old cape]

like any other jutsu that have self stun , i dont even know why we debating on this one tbh

[outer nimbus]

U right

[austere mortar]

a warp self stun is worse than any other self stun

[outer nimbus]

😭 have a good one

[patent igloo]

Do those jutsu teleport you directly infront of the enemy?

[vivid light]

Risk/reward
All other jutsus that have self stun offer way better ratio this one doesn't, it punishes the user 100% of the time without any reward

[austere mortar]

a self stun is fine, its the warp +self stun that hurts so bad

[old cape]

other self stun you just end up flicker combo but what ever

[outer nimbus]

Yall just dont get how good a warp homing is without self stun lmao

Its legit a second flicker

[vivid light]

Bri is like a pigeon ignoring the solution we give and just keeps yapping about how the jutsu was many years ago...

[outer nimbus]

Ur solution doesnt fix the issue

[patent igloo]

Yea, idk why you keep bringing up the no selfstun argument

[outer nimbus]

Self silence does nothing here

You still get risky melee + kunai for free

Insane dmg off 1 jutsu

[vivid light]

Yes it does, its a better solutik than nerfig the jutsu to the ground

[old cape]

Every mastery have ''Atleast"one self stun , why would WM be the exeption ?

[outer nimbus]

Its not good

[austere mortar]

it just shouldnt warp, thats the only issue with the jutsu the longer i read this

[outer nimbus]

U get free melee + kunai off a silence risky u think thats balanced LMAOOO

[patent igloo]

Keep the selfstun and buff the jutsu by making it stun the enemy, silence the enemy for the selfstun duraction, add a bleed for map locking, etc.

Lot of things you could do.

[old cape]

it have the same issue that other Self stun jutsu have and it " the free hit"

[outer nimbus]

Anything that is not giving risky users a free 200 dmg of 1 homing dmg jutsu 😭🙏

[vivid light]

Srsly dude can u go fkin read lol ???
I said to keep the self stun on the caster (that way we avoid the combo)
And we put a silence on the ennemy with a duration equivalent to the self stun (that way using the jutsu isnt as punishing as it is rn)
Do u get it now ??

[austere mortar]

a warp self stun is so much worse than just a self stun

and every other self stun also cancels btw

[outer nimbus]

So u want a free silence homing to make risky essentially free dmg

No punishment for a risky jutsu

[old cape]

Both situation can be avoided by subbin

[light ridge]

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[outer nimbus]

I dunno bro

Ay ngl

[vivid light]

And u wnat the jutsu to be a warp self stun that offer its caster to the ennemy on a silver plate to be punished every signle time its used ?? Yea ok lol

[outer nimbus]

Just make fire dragon silence the enemy on hit

So the self stun is free

I need this type logic for my own masteries

[patent igloo]

What really needs a nerf is this ai can't even state I don't like it without getting my message deleted 😭

[outer nimbus]

I want you to think about it brother

[light ridge]

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[outer nimbus]

Risky is free is so many situations

Literally all u have to do is wait for them to use their instant dmg and its basically free lmao

Genuily risky is not even a a bad jutsu u just gotta use it wisely

[old cape]

you asking them too much eleven ...

[vivid light]

No its not free, on double elemental not a single time a sword user has used rsky without me dumping all of my dmg on him the moment he lands infront of me stunned

[patent igloo]

The dmg it does it not worth wasting a sub for imo 🤷‍♂️

[outer nimbus]

Brother if u save all ur instant dmg for risky then gl

U losing every 1v1 vs a wm lmao

U gonna get outdpsed fast

[vivid light]

Never lost as a double elemental in 1v1 vs any sword with exception of anaconda

[outer nimbus]

Nah ur not real

U did not just type that 😭🙏

Anaconda is ur guideline for a good wm the game is cooked

But fr i understand why ur saying risky could be better

[austere mortar]

tbf, he is like the best wm in the game rn, although he is GF carried lol

[outer nimbus]

But making risky a non risk jutsu aint the way. Buff it give it bleed or something

[light ridge]

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[vivid light]

Bro this bot

[outer nimbus]

Its bad yeah

[patent igloo]

Almost like we been saying this the whole time are you a real person 😭

[outer nimbus]

U yeah

[vivid light]

Check 1v1 hall of fame list in the event next time before u speak, he clears anyone

[outer nimbus]

😭😭😭😭

Man yall are so gf wm pilled its crazy

[austere mortar]

Even Kronk looks like Conda in the hall of fame 🤣

[outer nimbus]

Go watch a redrum video maybe u learn what a real wm is in this game

[vivid light]

Statistics/facts speakur opinniln dont matter when those are present but thats not our subject and thats not the point

[outer nimbus]

Statistics of what

[vivid light]

The jutsu has a very bad risk/reward

[outer nimbus]

Cooking double elementals in 1v1s?

Like thats hard

[austere mortar]

past is not the current world bro

[outer nimbus]

Using gf wm claymore

[vivid light]

Why dont u do it then ? Ur name is nowhere in that list

[austere mortar]

gf/wm yama btw

[vivid light]

No clue what u talking about but yea keep going

[austere mortar]

oh, you just meant in general

[outer nimbus]

Look all i know is

Your cooked if for you hes the top tier of pvp

And making risky non risky again aint it

[vivid light]

Stats matter more than your opinnion

[outer nimbus]

Thats all for today folks

Yeah so in ur eyes ana primal is the epytomy of pvp

Since he is top 2 in leaderboard of pvp kills

Yeah good one

[austere mortar]

hes only #1 most of the time because people like Kronk are asleep at 6 am when Conda has an alarm set to wake up for it

[outer nimbus]

🙏

Bro thinks conda cooks vs any actual good player its crazy 😭

[austere mortar]

i think im with Eleven now on risky btw, it doesnt need to be touched

[outer nimbus]

Nah but going back to the post moonlight

[light ridge]

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[outer nimbus]

?

I understand u dislike that its punishable

[austere mortar]

if anything id remove the warp but that would only be for appeasement for this post

[vivid light]

Risk/reward not worth using it except for some situational usages

[outer nimbus]

But the way is not going back , the way is making it more worth to use it

[outer nimbus]

Okay and i can see that

Then make it worth while to use by pumping the numbers

[austere mortar]

shockwave slash buff when though? it needs a pierce or something

[vivid light]

This is what we have been saying since earlier lol...

[patent igloo]

That's all people asked for. I just don't get how you saying it's high dmg a full sword build with adam sword is doing 100 dmg and you are saying to waste a sub to not get punished for the 100 "high dmg"

[outer nimbus]

But i dont agree fully i just accept ur opinion

[vivid light]

U just came started talking about how the jutsu was many years ago and refused to read the new suggestions

[outer nimbus]

Either way id rather u be happy and get some dmg buff

Than we rambling forever

[outer nimbus]

100 dmg is alot yes lol

For a tank class

[vivid light]

And asking about what weapon/str is irrelevant cuz dmg diff between that jutsu and ur melee is always gonna be the same

[outer nimbus]

Legit Pure wm walks around with 1700 hp

[austere mortar]

id rather get better jutsu scaling and remove the fact that wm gets sword base damage added to jutsu

[outer nimbus]

I dunno why u think 100 is low for a tank mastery

[patent igloo]

You can be a tank on basically any build?

[outer nimbus]

Cause no other mastery does 100 dmg with 1700 hp

[outer nimbus]

Not like wm

[patent igloo]

Double elemental users can't have high hp?

[outer nimbus]

Wm u can go super low chakra and pump high str and high hp

[outer nimbus]

Yeah but they trade off dmg lol

They need chakra

[vivid light]

High str ? Do you know how much is the str scaling for wm jutsu ?

[patent igloo]

Elements do more dmg with the same amount of stats as sword skills? I just plugged in 120 str vs 120 int and elements all do more dmg and this is using adam sword with pre-nerfed dmg.

[outer nimbus]

Yes all pure wm builds go high ho high str

They dont over at 70 str

[austere mortar]

you get weapon damage added, the base damage for wm jutsu is minimum +26 to every jutsu on what the jutsu lists

[outer nimbus]

They have above 100 str and also get a lot of hp

This is the most common build for a pure wm to build towards

[vivid light]

Ik i'm asking him cuz he doesn't know what he talking about

[austere mortar]

he does though

[outer nimbus]

Aight lol

U can talk to them then

Have a good one

[austere mortar]

im good

[outer nimbus]

Lol

Have a good one zack

[outer nimbus]

Tell me a build where u get 120 int and 1550 hp

As a double elemental

Go try that in pvp as a double elemental and tell me how that works out for you

[austere mortar]

not a bad build btw

i run this build almost 1 to 1 on my fire/light

[outer nimbus]

Thats with a guild buff

[austere mortar]

ofc, but it does fit your req's lol

[outer nimbus]

Yeah but that doesnt help

Cause wm also gets the guild buff

[vivid light]

I run that on all my 2 elementals with slightly less ho and it works pretty fine, and its pretty irrelevant to the main subject of this thread

[outer nimbus]

And he still has higher hp with higher str than int compared

[vivid light]

And much lower dmg, its a tradeoff

[outer nimbus]

Lower dmg where

In groups

Because in 1v1 what ur saying just doesnt apply in game lol

Wm pure str outduels any double elemental

Out tanks them by a lot in a lot of cases too

[vivid light]

No, not with this risky blade self stun, thats why yall are so keen on keeping it nerfed to the ground its free dmg for the ennemy

[outer nimbus]

Lool

U honestly think Pure wm str doesnt beat double elemental in 1v1s

[patent igloo]

Every elemental skill does 5-20% more dmg than the sword equivalent skills with the same stats and this is using the best sword in the game that 98% of the pb doesn't have acess to with its PRE-NERF dmg.

[vivid light]

Vs skilled players that would punish u every time u use risky blade no

[austere mortar]

he doesnt, thats why he runs around killing double ele's and then going ez every fight

[outer nimbus]

I dont get it fr

Brother wm is top 2 1v1 masteries

[patent igloo]

Game also isn't a 1v1 simulator. 1v1 mostly happens only in 1v1 event.

[austere mortar]

except str wm is a 1v1 mastery

[outer nimbus]

Yes i agree that moving away from this would be good

[austere mortar]

so anything else doesnt matter

[outer nimbus]

Id much rather wm gets reworked into a more aoe centered class

With dashes

[vivid light]

Dont be mad

[outer nimbus]

But like lets not go and pretend wm is weak cause it aint

[austere mortar]

you know im a sandie right? why would i be mad?

[vivid light]

No one is saying its weak or Strong this thread is about risky blade having a bad risk/reward due to the self stun old solution

[outer nimbus]

Okay

But why does it need to be changed

[vivid light]

U just deviating from the subject since earlier

[outer nimbus]

Is the mastery weak or bad? No its actually very strong

[austere mortar]

the risk is using it into your opponents instants

pull their instants and the risk is gone

[outer nimbus]

Like i get the whole risky could be better

But the mastery is already good

[austere mortar]

and if they dont use their instants thats just damage they never got on you

[outer nimbus]

U just got massive buff on the beheading rework which was perfect btw

[patent igloo]

It's not, but there shouldn't be skills that most of the pb doesn't find a reason to use a lot of the time. Rebalance those skills in a way where they are not op, but don't feel horrible to use.

[outer nimbus]

Why we now asking for a buff on a lvl 15 jutsu thats already decent

[patent igloo]

That's just bad game design

[outer nimbus]

Theres lots of skills like that and i agree its bad but then rework them

Instead of doing buffs here and there

[austere mortar]

nah, some skill should be situational

[outer nimbus]

I dunno i just disagree that risky is weak , its hard to use thats all

[austere mortar]

it's situational, but the threat of it being up is a use in and of itself

they just dont get that

its just like water prison

[outer nimbus]

Im bad at explaining my point ngl

[vivid light]

It is weak man , weak damage, self stuns with a waaarp, its like offering ur self to ur ennemy on a plate "here i am, hit me pls"

[outer nimbus]

That was kinda my fault

[outer nimbus]

The problem is this just sounds like ur miss using it

Because i see plently of wm that use risky and barely get punished

Its timing most of the time

[patent igloo]

Even if they use their instant casts can't they just melee+throw projectile at you for more dmg than risky does once you teleport infront of them selfstunned?

[outer nimbus]

And if they do then they are next to a wm with no dmg to their name whilst the wm melees them

[austere mortar]

if they a high int yeah, but then just dont use risky, youll kill them with melees before they kill you with jutsu

[outer nimbus]

So that trade is instantly won by wm

[vivid light]

Vs highskilled/decent players u gonna get kited, hut by one jutsu at a time, u will need risky to close distance ideally and when u do that u get to eat free dmg, they never gonna be wasting all their casts like that vs wm

Casts always kept for risky, and since they have alot of casts, some will be used to kite the rest to punish incase u jump

Its hard to explain by text cuz every fight is diffirent

[outer nimbus]

A elemental that just saves jutsus to punish risky is gonna lose just to melee

I dont get that point

[vivid light]

And its irrelevant tbh, the jutsu just has bad desig when it comes to risk/reward

[outer nimbus]

No one is saving stuff just for risky alone

[patent igloo]

Anyways idk how good any of the people talking in this topic actually are. I'd wait to see what someone like Kronk or Mangetsu opinion is. I'm just a noob 🤣

[outer nimbus]

They might save 1 jutsu

[vivid light]

U forget that u can be kited as a melee

[outer nimbus]

Tag them

[patent igloo]

@slate apex

Idk what Mangetsu discord is

[outer nimbus]

I have no clue who that is

[slate apex]

@fading cipher

[austere mortar]

i also dont think they realize they can also just use risky to bait out subs or a instant cast burst

[patent igloo]

Oh, that was simple 🤣

[vivid light]

I realise that and its irrelevant

[outer nimbus]

I dunno cause u can use risky in a lot of different ways

[austere mortar]

thats buggy

[outer nimbus]

Ah hes goated

Chill dude

[austere mortar]

it is so far from irrelevant

[outer nimbus]

If its the one i think it is

[slate apex]

tbh risky is fine as a jutsu, if u take away the self stun u give me a kraken hammer user the opportunity to instantly warp to u and melee u

[vivid light]

Kronk bro

U cant melee

After risky

U can shoot kunais

[slate apex]

i am saying if u take away the self stun

[vivid light]

Ur juts there stuck

[slate apex]

its fine as it is

[vivid light]

Eating damage

[slate apex]

dont risky recklessly then

[patent igloo]

Don't bring up that 1 of 4 weapon. Can we use an obtainable sword like crystal sword as a baseline when we talk balance 😭

[outer nimbus]

All of this just for kronk to say skill issue

[vivid light]

Then what is the point of using it risk/reward wise ???

[austere mortar]

its called risky for a reason

[outer nimbus]

Its a a dmg homing

Free to land

Requires 0 skill to land

[vivid light]

I try man i try but it shouldn't be like that

[austere mortar]

the risk is being dumb and using it on someone with instant casts up

[vivid light]

A low* dmg
And if it were for me i would remove all homing from the game, and make everything a skillshot

[slate apex]

wait until they use their instant burst jutsu, then go for it. if u need to use sub before u risky

u can also cancel the jutsu

[outer nimbus]

Yeah but this is why we thank god u aint balancing the game

This is not a esports

Homings are fine to exist and balance out certain masteries dmg output

Not everything needs to be aim based

[vivid light]

Then dont use homing as an excuse in ur agrument in that case

[outer nimbus]

Why not if its fact that homing jutsu is free to land

And requires 0 skill

Making it already a decent jutsu

[vivid light]

Its a homing that puts le stunned infront of my ennemy after tickling him for damage slitghly hugher than my melee

[outer nimbus]

Then dont use it when they have instant up

And ur issue is gone

[vivid light]

Rather not even use it for dmg and just keep using it as i am rn to bait stuff and thats it

And thats not what the jutsu was meant for in the first place

Its juts bad design

[outer nimbus]

Anyways good night

Fun post to discuss

[patent igloo]

Kronk has spoken wait for Mangetsu idk if anyone of you are even good at the game and I'm def not so I'd rather hear from them 🤣

[vivid light]

Yea as if ppl got only one cast and they can't cycle their jutsus or kite sure

[outer nimbus]

I mean define good

At 1v1s ?

At groups?

[patent igloo]

In general 1v1 and wpvp

[austere mortar]

Eleven used to be good, Kronk is good, im mediocre at best

Buggy is also good

[patent igloo]

Mf said used to be good 😭

[outer nimbus]

I was never good at 1v1s

Thats cap

[vivid light]

Its juts double elementals traumatized from the very old risky jutsu mechanic, to the point where they refuse to see anything wrong with it accept any balancing/adjustment

[outer nimbus]

I was good at teamfighting

[austere mortar]

i was talking overall

[outer nimbus]

But 1v1s wasnt really my fun ngl

[fading cipher]

what kronk

[outer nimbus]

I mean

[austere mortar]

and i said used to, because bro is rusty

[fading cipher]

why am i being @ed i never check nincord bro

[outer nimbus]

They said they want ur opinion on risky blade

[light ridge]

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[fading cipher]

its good

[outer nimbus]

Yeah well

I assumed u would say that

Cheers

[patent igloo]

Can we get rid of this ai please

[austere mortar]

same

[outer nimbus]

[outer nimbus]

Ong

[fading cipher]

guys im about to say the longest cuss sentence this AI has ever seen

im gonna fry the poor little thing

I was about to but i think its gonna mute me for 30 centuries

[warped inlet]

If a jutsu needs a 0.1% boss drop weapon to be considered viable or "fine", then it's bad. The end

It's risky being on your hotbar, it's such a situtationally useful jutsu that I would rather use any other homing. In a 1v1 you might be able to use it alright, but in a group there's never a time where you're not going to be eating two or three times the damage of Risky for having used it

I fully admit that i'm not in the top 10 or top 20 sword users, but I don't think Jutsu should be balanced around that. Nor should they be balanced around the effects of nearly unobtainable weapons. If Risky really is that busted if it's made viable, then it needs to be reworked

[patent igloo]

Yea, this is the only argument I don't like. Sword should be balanced around an obtainable weapon not something 1-2% of the pb has.

Brining up something like Kraken hammer is insane when theres only 3-4 of them that exist in the entire game.

[slate apex]

Alright lemme use crystal then

Sword hits on homing for 90+

[light ridge]

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[slate apex]

Lmao this bot

[patent igloo]

Wow can't even say I'm bad at the game without getting censored

[slate apex]

I get ur point about risky though enzan, here’s the thing though is that risky self stunning is fine for the game. since before when it didn’t self stun their was players who would use it with twins fangs and would melee u after risky into like 2-3 instant casts off a homing

I would argue for it to cancel again but wm doesn’t need another cancel since beheading is so good now

TLDR; use risky when the opponent is trying to run away and isn’t gonna be likely to burst you. Or simply save it to use it on players who just used most of their burst combo

And if you don’t like it that much just take triple tag instead

[patent igloo]

I'll take removing selfstun from blade piercing instead 👀

[slate apex]

Make a different post about that then

[austere mortar]

blade pierce and shockwave slash need more love than risky

[patent igloo]

Yea, I think it's more so just these 2 aren't that great so it feels bad that 2-3 moves are kinda iffy.

So it makes risky seem even worse.

[austere mortar]

shockwave slash needs a pierce or to travel faster, blade pierce idk what to do, id say kb but wm has 2 really good cancels rn and doesnt need more

and hybrid has 3 really good cancels

[patent igloo]

Honestly, I'd just accept it not self stunning or stunning the enemy at least.

Feel like it not selfstunning the most balanced though.

[austere mortar]

maybe instead of a 1x7 range its a 3x2 and extends out past that as a 1x3

the hard part with it is it being a skill shot and a self stun with no pro outside of bleed

[slate apex]

Ngl blade piercing just needs to be reworked into a dash

[patent igloo]

Skill looks dope too I want to use it, it's just not worth using really 😭

[austere mortar]

honestly, yeah lol

like beheading but no kb, and a similar or smaller aoe

[slate apex]

A dash that does damage and applies bleed 1, bleed 2 at maxed

[austere mortar]

even then i dont think it needs the self stun either

[slate apex]

Either way make another post for that instead of on a post about risky @patent igloo

[vivid light]

Even if you use a 0.1% drop weapon the jutsu is still BAD
The damage ratio difference between it and a sword melee from this 0.1% drop sword is almost always the same difference even with a low tier weapon, add to that the self stun and the guaranteed punishment u take after it which makes it almost never worth using over a simple melee, the jutsu was "op" before but the solution they found for it is just nerfing it to the ground to the point where it punishes the caster alot more than the ennemy, its just bad design like u said

[vivid light]

Before there was limitations to the game, now it's possible to make better solutions through the addition of effects and I've proposed some to equilibrate the risk/reward, for example

-if the "combo" that comes after risky is really that much of a problem then fine, keep the small self stun on the caster BUT now its possible to put a small silence on the ennemy EQUIVALENT TO THE DURATION of the mini self stun, that way the caster gets to do the warp melee without any follow up combo and the punishment would be reduced from ennemy not casting guarateed instas to equilibrate the risk/reward

[vivid light]

This is the only viable way of using risky now which makes it very underwhelming and only useful vs enemies that are full running and not willing to trade at all, but u guys forget that its a melee class and this jutsu is needed during fights TO CLOSE THE GAP vs kiting ennemies, overall it makes it an extremely situational jutsu in a mastery that already has another 2 bad design jutsu like shockwave slash and piercing
Leaving the only viable/good jutsus the new behead + crescent moon

[fierce fog]

It canceling made wm vs wm fights less fun in my opinion. None could land crescent xD

[stable notch]

That’s how I use it most times

Good for map locking someone trying to run, even if they punish you.

[stable notch]

Shockwave slash isn’t terrible, it’s just way too slow

[sleek oasis]

i dunno you gotta stand still for som many casts and run so fast in comparison to the distances

[light ridge]

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[hoary quiver]

Risk need it self stun removevor cancel return it only fair

[fierce fog]

Wms need better melees thats wwhat it needs

every swords were nerfed... like reli needed a nerf xD

[hoary quiver]

as long as high int is as op as it is i say wm need much better meeles

[fierce fog]

I feel like the whole nin balance was forged around greed over logic and fairness. You had god tier PVE/teamfight/raid + very strong 1v1 masteries (INT) losing to WMs which is 1v1 only and they cried that it was op (while everyone also agreed they are super abd at everything else.) But oh no LOI swords were so strong that the whole kit and all swords had to be nerfed but wait they also had to buff int users that were already at god tier spot at close of everything. We have come to a point where its more dangerous for an WM str to fight at close range which makes no sense design wise, balance wise and logic wise. Any board game/video game has the warriors winning close range combats. On nin you have to flee intetellect encounters. magician here are on steroids They will DASH toward you and win the trade.
Weapon masters are supposed to be all about melees with the counter part of having weaker jutsus. Thats the design we have been told it was based on for a decade. Yet they actually arent the best at melee attacks anymore by a noticable gap. Its not a close game anymore.

So overall, Weapon masters dont ahve good jutsus, their melees are out matched by most melees from other masteries, they are not good at PVE, Teamfights, raids and they are by far not the best anymore at 1v1s. Most players who ditched the mastery WILL defend it for some whack reason that is greed and ragebait.

The kunai dagger has more dps than shirokata when both are at 85 str. Let that sink.

[gilded sequoia]

I aint readin allat

prpb just indra coping that WM isnt one of the most boosted braindead kits ingame judging from the topic

[patent igloo]

The melee mostly feels underwhelming to me because for some reason tai users hit the same or in many cases more than sword users. I was testing with a tai user and was doing less with 120 str than they do with 130 agi, but they can spam a ton of punches in the span of time I can swing once.

[warped inlet]

Tai gets endgame loi type damage from just building their characters normally as agi tai

and get to attack multiple times faster

get how many subs in combat

I dunno man, starting to feel a bit outclassed by something in every situation

[vivid light]

Yes, weapons has a very low melee dps compared to tai, and you have to depend on expensive swords or 0.01% drops just to make it "decent" and even with that its still feels heavily underwhelming..
And like indra says what we have been told in the past is that sword mastery is intended to have "weak/bad jutsus single target only mostly" because its only for 1v1 and it compensates that with "melees" but the game design for this was faulty and has never been implemented correctly till this day as melees feel underwhelming and looses dps to other melee class by far WHILE the other melee class has some very good jutsus compared to WM, the wm bad jutsus got even more nerfs and made even more obsolete..

Str WM rn just doesn't Excel in dps (very bad dps + u rely on a 0.01% drop to make it slightly better)
Doesn't excel in 1v1 (decent in 1v1)
Doesn't excel in mobility (bad mobility)
Doesn't excel in utility/cc (very bad utility)

If the class is meant to have a disadvantage when it comes to melee dps/melee jutsus compared to taijutsu then fine but ATLEAST make it excel in mobility for example
Rework "risky blade" from a useless and punishing homing, "piercing" with its low dmg and useless selfstun, "shockwave slash" with its 1 target only slow projectile low bad dmg, INTO new mobility based jutsus dashes/slows/silences...etc

[blazing silo]

GG @vivid light, you just advanced to level 9!

[fierce fog]

At this point following how other masteries work, you can buff Wms jutsus by a lot while not nerfing the melees and it would be just like tai

...with weaker melees.

[vapid shore]

I don't know what game you all be playing but str WM is still among the best things to play for 1v1 and it's not really too bad elsewhere

Also it's the best mastery for hunting imo cause of the bleeds and homings

The nerfs to swords were deserved and even with those nerfs the mastery is strong

[vapid shore]

Tai is pretty op and easy yea

But wm hits more damage with kunai than tai hits with jutsu

[vivid light]

Hop into the next 1v1 auto tourney and show us that, and i'll gladly change my mind 🤷

[patent igloo]

I think we just focus on making shockwave and blade piercing not trash first and see how it looks 🤣

[gilded sequoia]

yall need us to start playing pure wm again? its genuinely the most boring dog kit because it just auto wins everything
WM is braindead easy on 100-120str

the amount of people whom are mechanically better but have to tryhard just to stand a chance if they are playing an elemental is insane

dunno why there are so many WM centered posts lately tho ngl, kits always been good for yearsssss

[vapid shore]

Cause wm isn't really great for newer players

U need to know matchups well to do good with it

It's strong af but it's not as forgiving as tai

Think it's mostly newer players complaining about it

[vivid light]

Maybe cuz all those ppl aren't wrong, have valid arguments worth listening to instead of just your anecdotal evidence which we cant see any prove of ?
So far on ur all comments you have given any valid point on ur messages in this thread except for being passive aggressive for no reason and making baseless assumptions

[vivid light]

That's why im telling you to go to the next 1v1 auto tourney and show us how strong it is and i will gladly change my mind and accept the "skill issue" argulent that you are implying, its good for hunting and locking down players that are running and not trying to fight back much, but in proper 1v1 on smilar skill lvl and where ppl are willing to fight back and not just run away you'll have a very hard time

You your self managed to hunt me a couple of times on my non elemental when i was lowbie cuz i wasnt trying to fight back, but on my double elemental u lost the 1v1 in the dz everytime

[light ridge]

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[vivid light]

Bruh can we remove this bot alrdy

[bold vector]

Usually when Yami enters 1v1 on his pure WM he goes all the way to the final

Ngl in a 1v1 matchup WM slaps everything

[gilded sequoia]

WM has second Highest Melee Dmg Possible without 4 seconds of cast times needed like the tai/med/gf hybrid
WM has some of the highest raw output on jutsus because all of your jutsu scale with weapon base dmg+str meaning low investment high return
3 of your jutsus land themselves. 2 being hommings and the 3rd being a dash with a huge aoe

I honestly don't wanna play pure wm just to prove a point but these new players play WM and just think its weak somehow when all it takes is obtaining a sword from rats to be considered above 50% of the playerbase

[gilded sequoia]

phantom chat is nothing but complaints when I log into sword abuser cause its literal braindmg

these WM threads getting out of hand

[patent igloo]

[patent igloo]

What? Even with pre-nerfed adam sword which most ppl don't have the nin build site says every element does more dmg than wm with the same int investment.

[gilded sequoia]

80% of elemental jutsus require aim :x

[patent igloo]

Yea, but you said wm has the hgihest raw output.

[gilded sequoia]

Adamantine btw still swings for as much dmg as jutsus do every 2 seconds :x

[patent igloo]

Cool, let me hold yours.

[old cape]

Melee doing almost 100 per 2sec jutsu having over 20sec CD

[gilded sequoia]

"Some of the highest"
also build calcs don't include Base dmg scalings

[bold vector]

Ok, lets say u have claymore on, and ur fighting a light/wind user. The light/wind user has more damage, but he wont get to do that damage cuz u kb him when he starts casting his jutsus, rendering his damage and you outputting more damage+preassure u have to deny him from charging chakra

U do 100 meele per hit (plus the absurd damage with kunai tool)

[vivid light]

no it doesnt, this varsog dude himself got clapped by my double elemental in every 1v1 encouter we had out there

[patent igloo]

Cool, let me hold your adam sword or kraken hammer 😭

[bold vector]

On top of that u have mega hp

[vivid light]

and ive seen also other players do the same

[bold vector]

11v1?

[gilded sequoia]

new players getting caught up on kraken and claymore 💀
brother you need a pair of twins.

[bold vector]

Varsog is one of the best sword users in the game, put up any double elemental against him, he wins 99% of the time

[patent igloo]

Nah, I need the big dmg 🤣

[bold vector]

Feel free to farm it or buy it

[vapid shore]

Wm ain't have no highest damage output on jutsu

[vivid light]

1v1 misstype

obviously

[gilded sequoia]

so you telling me cresent and beheading with a good sword aint outdmging majority jutsus???

[bold vector]

I doubt that happened. Do you have a clip?

[vapid shore]

Not on same stats lol

[patent igloo]

Not even close?

With adam sword and 120 str you doing like 100-110

[vapid shore]

U telling me it is outdamaging 120 int jutsu?

[patent igloo]

on the hardest hitting skills

None of you guys have an adam sword?

[gilded sequoia]

120int
Im doing 107 a bullet roughly cause of guild buffs

120str with adamantine is like 102+Bleed?

[bold vector]

I had one, Akuma had one, Varsog had one, Jinsoh still has one

[patent igloo]

I'm just saying rn so we can just test the dmg with the new nerfed sword dmg.

[gilded sequoia]

I've had 6 💀 claymore is boring af with that speed
much prefer losing 40 dmg in exchange for bone speed

[vapid shore]

U comparing lvl 10 jutsu to lvl 30 jutsu

[patent igloo]

My cresent moon does 90 dmg with 120str and crystal sword

You saying elements not doing more on 120int?

[old cape]

I sold mine when they did Dash KB a think

[gilded sequoia]

okay lets compare a level 30 jutsu
great fireball is doing 104+burn with 121int and is a 1 sec standcast with projectile speed

Fire is the highest raw dmg kit ingame and is only outdmging by a small amount because of burn

[vivid light]

again alot of wrong information, WM jutsu dmg isnt higher than any elemental jutsu at equivalent stats, tai melees dishes out FAR MORE MELEE DPS than sword ever will, low investment in what ? the STR scaling is 30% only most jutsus on crystal sword deal 90DMG at 120 str
only jutsus "land themselves" not 3, sword has only 2 homings, u got no clue what u talkign about

[patent igloo]

Every str wm jutsu I have does under 100 dmg except beheader because of bleed tick doing slightly above 100 with 120str and crystal.

Elements def doing more dmg than that.

[vivid light]

just the fact y'all trynna say a class is strong by inflating it with a 0.01% drop weapon is exactly why it isnt strong

[gilded sequoia]

ngl...yall got it
I just realized how many times yall looked at a class that melees for 60-90 on average and said it also needs jutsu that deal dmg comparable to the kits with 20-30dmg melees

[gilded sequoia]

twin blades*

go 120str twin blades.

[bold vector]

@gilded sequoia log ur wm pls with a crystal sword and show them how weak double elemental is against wm

[gilded sequoia]

if you cant afford a 6k crystal sword

[vapid shore]

Ye but that thing hit way more targets it ain't the same

It's not really a 1v1 jutsu lol

[patent igloo]

Is ninhub just wrong? With 120int and guild buff all the fire jutsu do 105-120 dmg +35 burn

[gilded sequoia]

every single lvl 30 jutsu isn't really made for 1v1s on elemental tho?
like basically everyone except water prison is more suited in larger fights

[vivid light]

nothing deals more than around 75 dmg on jutsus 120 str, again you keep showing that u have no clue what ur talking about keep going

[gilded sequoia]

dunno how we getting 35 burn, burn tics are 9 each at max

[vapid shore]

The thing is the only jutsu that will hit close to elemental damage is beheading with claymore

[patent igloo]

I'm just going off what ninhub says. I don't have a high level elemental char.

[vapid shore]

And that thing selfstuns for 1 sec so u can punish it

[patent igloo]

That's why I'm asking if its wrong.

[old cape]

You using some old information that not even revelant now , that thing isnt update at all

[gilded sequoia]

Indra spawns are rough to argue with.
none of em have high level alts or accs in general and want to argue about "kraken hammer+adamantine" when literally reli/twins/scythe would dog a majority here

[vapid shore]

For the most part

Most people u gotta fight on wm ain't gonna be using claymore

[patent igloo]

Dude I'm only arguing the dmg numbers because you said str wm deals some of the highest raw jutsu dmg in the game and I don't think thats right 🤣

[vivid light]

bold of you to assume that lol, G ur saying u do "high jutsu dmg" on 120 STR with a damn twinblade lmao*, go away man 🤣

[vapid shore]

Think my risky does like 90 dmg with kyuketsuki

[gilded sequoia]

when you melee for 60, youll realize doing 70-80 is insanely high but yea
yall can meet me in mist indoors or leaf square. choose a location

[patent igloo]

All my jutsu do 80-90 pretty much except beheader with crystal an 120 str.

With 10% guild buff.

[vapid shore]

Ye that's the thing with it

Wm does high dmg on melee and the jutsu do okay dmg with bleed

So if u landing both it adds up fast

[patent igloo]

Anyone know how much claymore does now at 120str?

[vivid light]

very simple, go to the next auto 1v1 and win it , you made a claim that its a dog kit that can defeat any double elemental, well its 100% double elementals there in the event these days u wont face a single pure sword str go ahead prove it right and win it

[gilded sequoia]

@vapid shore do you just not join auto tourneys anymore???

I'm usually at work when the 6pm one happens so I havent been able to play anymore c:

[old cape]

94-95 i think

[gilded sequoia]

double elementals almost never win btw
its always tai, wm or bubble 🤣

imma close the thread cause yall be getting beat by larva while hitting for 80dmg melees.
Ill be leaf square if anyone wants to see a wm do dmg

[slate apex]

Tbf no one wants to spend an hour + just to fight 5 times

[vivid light]

tell me u haven't done a 1v1 auto in ages without telling me u haven't done a 1v1 auto in ages
ur claims are irrelevant until u win one and prove them, cheers

[vapid shore]

I don't join them as often no

[hoary quiver]

Wm only work is you can perfectly meele + have a tank build and it only works for 1vs1 against mostly unskilled high int . The limitation it get with hybrid or it overall kit is just sad risky is the worst homming

[fierce fog]

People can sub punish. Thats how fast the players reactions are. Imagine if you apear stunned in front of them after a cast time 🤣

[stable notch]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-why-you-lying-dance-meme-gif-16909019

[old cape]

Tell me you never player something else without telling me u never played something else , you complaining about this while there mastery with 3 self stun out of 6 jutsu not to mention there ATLEAST 1 self stun jutsu in each mastery jutsu set

[vivid light]

WM sword it self has 3 self stuns lol..
now tell me which other mastery self stun jutsu, TELEPORTS YOU directly INFRONT and STUNS you there to get damaged ? NONE ! except for risky blade.
which only adds 14 damage points to a normal wm melee, making it hella bad reward/risk wise compared to any other self stun jutsu from any other mastery
now go away.

[light ridge]

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[gilded sequoia]

dont even know what the bot flags at this point

just don't use risky if you aren't good at the game. simple as that

its called risky cause its risky for you not the opponent

[old cape]

Flicker wind claw , flicker dragon , flicker water slash and anything that can be done instantly with flicker , Gentle fist having 16palm self stun , rotation self stun and mountain crusher self stun.

[gilded sequoia]

curious who moonlight is considering they've apparently been apart of the nin community since I joined but have zero grasp on the actual game

[old cape]

🤦🏽‍♂️

[light ridge]

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[slate apex]

@vivid light make a mist alt and come spectate the 7sm tourney at 3pm est today, use ur data from that. Do NOT be another indra please

cheers

[gilded sequoia]

they been on game longer than you have, look at their nin join time its already too late for them

[slate apex]

nah its not too late. if he starts saying kunai dagger> shirokata its too late

[gilded sequoia]

its "lil sword" a pure WM who cant beat people with crystal just saw the mutual servers

[vivid light]

ur friend whom u claimed is skilled and that risky blades reward/risk ratio is bad only for new/unskilled players, and that the punishment from the self stun can easily be dodged from a "skilled" player like him got punished yesterday in the auto 1v1 every single time he used it, to the point where 60% of hp he lost was merely because of using risky blade, so unless u can prove the contrary by doing it ur self in the next 1v1 auto ur "skill" argument is wrong and pretty irrelevant

[vivid light]

ide love to but idk if i will be there on the game by that time, if someone is streaming send me a link pls

[outer nimbus]

defend your aura @vapid shore

[vivid light]

whether i can beat ppl or not is irrelevant to the point of this thread which is risky blade dance having a very bad risk/reward
and its almost 500 kills in 22 days on lil sword char btw (the age of this account) , but still absolutely irrelevant to the point of this thread.
so far in this thread you haven't given a single civil argument to your point, ever since you joined this thread you're dancing like a pigeon with random thoughts making skill claims without any backup and completely ignoring all the points being made in the thread, so again go to the next 1v1 and show us how skill can make the risk/reward of this jutsu better, ur buddy varsog failed to show us, maybe u can do better if u claim to be more skilled than he is and ill gladly change my mind, until then keep ur irrelevancy away from here

[gilded sequoia]

cope

constantly talking about the 1v1 tournament. how about you just land risky?

[vapid shore]

defend what

[light ridge]

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[vapid shore]

this guy is posting paragraphs

[delicate maple]

I more or less agree that risky blade is a risky move to use, especially if someone is prepared to punish you for it. however, I think the selfstun is needed for balance sake

[vapid shore]

I ain't bothering with that lmao

[rich hatch]

It’s a level 15 jutsu

[gilded sequoia]

🤣

[outer nimbus]

think everyone agrees on the fact its currently balanced due to the self stun it has

[gilded sequoia]

nah we got rory in the chat, all shall be silent 🙏

[light ridge]

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[outer nimbus]

[vapid shore]

I just wish risky blade had bleed or something

[outer nimbus]

the bot is deadshot ong

[vapid shore]

I don't mind the selfstun but would be nice to have some benefit for the risk

[vivid light]

so are we supposed to stop using level 15 jutsu whne we reach higher level ? does reaching ahigher level make the risk/reward better ?
its part of the sword kit and remains so even at level 60 and beyond

[rich hatch]

It needs to be balanced to the power level of a level 15 jutsu, and the entire kit of WM needs to be balanced as a whole. Are we saying we think WM is underpowered?

[delicate maple]

its a level 15 jutsu, but I dont think that warrants a jutsu being bad considering theres other 10~15 jutsus that are extremely powerful (like break kick, low cd, kb, and instant cast)

[outer nimbus]

nah its still top tier 1v1 mastery with uses in teamfights.

[gilded sequoia]

I think shockwave could use like .50-.100 faster projectile speed c:
but otherwise its a great kit overall with huge melee pressure+good jutsu

[delicate maple]

the argument is kinda silly if you consider that

[outer nimbus]

although it is true some jutsus feel a bit weaker than the avg

[delicate maple]

but risky is fine as is

[rich hatch]

Not every jutsu is a pvp jutsu

[vapid shore]

risky blade is not a pve jutsu either

[rich hatch]

Take WM int and Medic for example

[outer nimbus]

for example you could give shockwave slash piercing to help out wm early leveling as that jutsu is barely usable in any stage of combat besides very early

but besides that one i think the rest is fine

[delicate maple]

I think what seriously needs changing is Shockwave slash rather than risky blade. It has no uses pve or pvp, and people opt to take 15 int just to not use it.

[rich hatch]

If we expect every jutsu to be a PvP jutsu and for it to be useful in the exact circumstance we want it to be, we can’t have revive even, because it’s not useful in 1v1 pvp

[vivid light]

is shockwave a pvp or pve jutsu rory ? it doesnt do a good job at any of those parts
risky is a level 15 jutsu okay, but does that justify the fact that its severly punishing ? it teleports u infront of ur ennemy line of fire and stuns u to eat damage ?

[gilded sequoia]

piercing is actually very good for what it is
Shockwave the only jutsu in the entire kit where I 100% of the time will just go 15int no matter what for ekunai

[outer nimbus]

great minds think a like

[rich hatch]

I don’t like the tone and I’m on break

Bye

[vapid shore]

tbh maybe risky could like

[dense bramble]

Enjoy ya break ❤️

[outer nimbus]

enjoy your break

[vapid shore]

teleport randomly around enemy

instead of always to front

[rich hatch]

❤️

[delicate maple]

tone wasnt meant to be bad sorry enjoy break!

[vapid shore]

but other than that it's aight

[vivid light]

what tone rory

[gilded sequoia]

think it was mainly moonlight spam replying him

[outer nimbus]

[vivid light]

i littrly sent 2 replies

[gilded sequoia]

this is why we cant have nice things
we get rory here and instantly sent away

[slate apex]

enjoy bro

[outer nimbus]

i was gonna make a case for shockwave slash too 😭

[slate apex]

its just a few players having bad opinions nothing out of the ordinary

[delicate maple]

me too.. I have cool ideas for Shockwave slash...

[outer nimbus]

make a post

[delicate maple]

theres already like 2 posts talking about Shockwave slash

LOL

[outer nimbus]

third wm post in a weak !

[slate apex]

make it seperate and dont include anything else

[outer nimbus]

pretty sure everyone would agree to shockwave slash buff

piercing up to 3 targets!

[vivid light]

littrly just asked u about how does a "level 15 jutsu" jutstify it being more punishing towards the user than it is towards the ennemy thats all

[outer nimbus]

bro is speedrunning mute ICANT

[delicate maple]

leave em alone bro.. hes gone

[vivid light]

but if simply asking questions result on this screw it

im deleting the thread

[old cape]

nah WM in a Decent spot

[delicate maple]

I think the questions are fine

you didnt need to delete the thread

[outer nimbus]

the question was fine its how you worded it

[gilded sequoia]

ngl almost every single lvl 15 jutsu is punishing, its kinda a theme

[vapid shore]

a lot of jutsu are more punishing to user than to enemy

if you use them at the wrong time

lol

[vivid light]

none of them teleport u with a stun bro

this is what yall ignore

[delicate maple]

which level 15 jutsu is punishing btw?

[vivid light]

all other self stuns u cna have a workaround

and keep distance

[delicate maple]

I actually dont know, im relatively inexperienced

[gilded sequoia]

water slash
big flame bullet
EP
Triple tags

[vivid light]

what wrong time u littrly got punished yesterday everytime u sued it man

littrtly not a single time

u managed to dodge the punishment

[delicate maple]

is that why rory said its a lvl 15 jutsu?

[vivid light]

60% of ur hp goner only to using risky blade

[vivid light]

yes

[delicate maple]

hm I see

[vapid shore]

and?

I still won

[vivid light]

he ignored all the points and said its a level 15 jutsu and thats about it

[old cape]

Everyone can flicker and self stun it not just a WM thing, just need to know when to do it , you cant just mash random key and expect to win

[vivid light]

thats is not the ppoint winning or loosing is irrelevant

[delicate maple]

if most level 15 stuff is meant to be a punishing thing, I think it makes sense

[vivid light]

thats a combination of two jutsu

[delicate maple]

plus, if you sub before risky you can sub their punish and potentially sub punish via sword swing kunai

[gilded sequoia]

and the ones that dont self stun are all skill shots pretty much
wind scythe
light spear
pscapel

[delicate maple]

its really not that bad I think

[vapid shore]

you can always just bait them out

and cancel the jutsu

bro just crying to cry

[delicate maple]

you can also pretend Shockwave slash is risky

[slate apex]

@vagrant hound close the thread it’s just the same things repeating

[delicate maple]

but im guessing you run explo

[vivid light]

u did all of that yesterday, and got kicked everey time u used it