#Chunin Exams need better handling

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bright jasper
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The chunin exams are currently happening once per term. This means That if you are busy on the time/day the GMs choose to hold the chunin exams you have to wait a whole 3 months just to have a chance on the promotion... This results in a lot of people to get angry about this system and some even thinking of quitting the game.

My suggestion is either host ce every month or at least 2 times per term or make it so it can be hosted by the kage without the help of gms... But again keep it at more than 1 time per term.

drifting arrow
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Its announced at least 2 weeks in advance for you to clear up schedule or plans

exotic ginkgo
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Or at least, since there are 3 days of exams, one per village, teams from each village that can't attend on their day have the option of taking their exam with another village.
For example: if a Mist squad can't attend on their day for any reason, they could have the option of taking their exam at Leaf or Sand.
Just as all the villages have held exams together on other occasions, it could be adapted to 3 days of exams so that people who can't attend theirs have the opportunity to do so and not wait another 3 months.

bright jasper
bright jasper
exotic ginkgo
chilly sparrow
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I agree that the time between exams is too long. Not proposing any solutions, but I think once per month would be a lot better. It's a game, after all, and the chunin exams are probably one of the biggest RP events the game has to offer, so it makes sense for them to be a little more frequent, I guess.

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ie: make it mensal, and to accommodate the fact that less players will be doing them, make so all villages do the exams together, with at least one representative from each village.

Or something like that.

Amix's suggestion feels nice too.

past jackal
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If it were a joint CE, sure. But having one random team from another village is odd, and they’d be targeted and removed instantly lol.

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Monthly CE is also way too often

teal thorn
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Allowing the kage to host it would be nice. The kage could RP an urgent request for said player(s) and they could show up to potentially do an RP mission which would help to assess that player for potential promotion

dusky mulch
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CE is meant to be something special - not just a quest hence why it’s moderated and overlooked by GMs. It’s unfortunate if someone doesn’t have time on the set date but it would make no sense that the answer is to make it monthly because it would imo take the special event feeling out of it.

past jackal
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Yeah lol the more frequent you make CE the less the rank and the event means each time. Theyre already every other month and 2 weeks notice, you can definitely make time for it.

clever orbit
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One CE a term is plenty imo, it creates hype around the event and reduces work load on devs and gms while they create other content for us to enjoy~

exotic ginkgo
# past jackal This wouldn’t make much sense

Why not, its just another team with another scroll in another ce step, anyways , 1 day per village for a worldwide open serv game its just sad.
The more new players, the more chunin u will need for give those players just a little more content with rps, i dont understand all those ppl taking it like an exclusive treasure, its just another game content, another rank in your character evolution... jonin should be 5x harder and they just have to host a chunin team that pass any round..... wtf.. not talking about how some got their jonin rank time ago xD

past jackal
chilly sparrow
past jackal
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No one has mentioned lore at all, lol

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There’s also criteria players have to meet to pass, and the kages selections are confirmed by a game master lol

chilly sparrow
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past jackal
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The criteria is the same for all villages lol

chilly sparrow
past jackal
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That’s a bad thing?

chilly sparrow
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IF the criteria is the same, it would be nice to have every rule announced in this official Discord.

past jackal
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He also has no say if you win the event lol

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But you’re going way off topic anyways

chilly sparrow
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I'm not. OP's point is that since CE happens every 3 months, not being able to be approved by some random factor (be it not being able to participate or whatever), sucks.

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And since it happens every 3 months, not being promoted because of a random, subjective, paramater that was never explained, sucks too.

past jackal
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The OPs point is it happens every 2 months and you can’t always be available when they do lol

chilly sparrow
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It would be nice to have a good explanation of how the event works, and what are the criteria for approvement.

dusky mulch
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hence the kage has an own way to decide things and power in it.

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I also find it fully fair that you have to be active in a village the term to get a rank because it’s an RP event

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which is also why people can be promoted that don’t manage to win it until end but pass a certain early stage

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so if you bad at PvP but a huge support for the village - the kage can still promote you if you reached the stage

chilly sparrow
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It being RP is even more of a reason to have a well organized event.

Every single sport event/test in real life is, technically, RP, and all of them have tough out rules for a reason lol.

dusky mulch
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that’s true but so far and how it is atm is that the kage has kinda an own decision, it’s sadly also hard for gms to determine who has been active and who hasn’t many stuff happens in discord of the village, or even just randomly. But yes I get what you mean especially for new ones a bit of clarification might be good, no clue tho how this can be achieved without giving each Kage guidelines and taking the freedom away . Can be good or bad

chilly sparrow
past jackal
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But the kage will change next term and the guidelines would also

dusky mulch
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Yea

chilly sparrow
past jackal
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How would it be any less confusing lol

dusky mulch
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ah so you mean each term a kage has to set guidelines that will be posted here with the CE dates ?

chilly sparrow
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If the new Kage wants to change the guidelines, he can, but he'll need to present the new ones.

chilly sparrow
dusky mulch
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I see I see

chilly sparrow
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If the guidelines sucks, it's fine, but at least they're clear

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If the guideline is: "I'll promote whoever I want", it's "Fine", Kage has the final say after all, but at least it's clear.

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And everyone joins knowing exactly what they're signing up for

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Like in real life, you can have multiple organizations for a single sport, and they have their own rules and can change them freely. And tons of sports have subjective rules, and it's "fine", but they're clearly subjective hah.

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It works even in RP, making the village actually ORGANIZE the event. Instead of just winging it

past jackal
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What guidelines could possibly exist? Pass the stage and roleplay idk how you would add guidelines to roleplay

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This is also all still completely off topic lol

chilly sparrow
# past jackal What guidelines could possibly exist? Pass the stage and roleplay idk how you wo...

For example, in Mist, you can't colaborate inside the forest with other teams. What exactly "colaborating" means?

Can I jump a stronger team 2v1? Is that colaborating?

Can I strategically revive an "enemy" player, so they can fight another stronger team?

If I RP with someone from another team, instead of instantly punching each other, is that collaborating?

(Just picked a random thing from the exam to elaborate on)

past jackal
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Again still off topic, but im not sure how someone wouldn’t know what teaming is and isn’t

chilly sparrow
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"RP can get you promoted", is that RP inside the exam, or everyday outside of it?
Is protecting the village/participating in Raids relevant for the exam at all?

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I can keep going, but I think those are enough examples.

drifting arrow
chilly sparrow
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It's work, sure, but if you want to be a council member/Kage, you're supposed to be an administrator so a Kage/Council member should be able to find time, or someone willing to do it lol

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And if next term the next Kage wants to change something, he can, but he probably wont, because it's owrk

past jackal
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I mean when the exam starts, you are given the exam rules lol. But this is still off topic and should be a new post so

chilly sparrow
# past jackal I mean when the exam starts, you are given the exam rules lol. But this is still...

Mist's exam rules are:
After passing the first stage that is a simple quiz testing your game knowledge and history, we move to the FoD, where strict rules apply.
No alliances of any kind. Any team found allying will be disqualified immediately.
Every team is only allowed to pick only one type of scroll(i.e: If they have a heaven scroll, they won't be allowed to pick another heaven scroll to maximize amount of teams passing FoD)

lol

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And:

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"if you weren't active during the term defending or helping out, don't even bother joining I won't give out promotions."

past jackal
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So your village does have outlined rules to follow

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But again, just make a new post lol you’re way off topic still

chilly sparrow
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I think this is pretty much in topic, it's 100% about "Chunin Exams need better handling"

past jackal
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Literally about not being able to attend the exam and making it possible to join other ones / make them more frequent lol

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But yeah make a post suggesting a #CE-Rules channel where each villages rules and criteria is listed and updated I’m sure everyone would agree to it

chilly sparrow
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Now you can go tell me how I'm wrong at the right suggestion 🤣

past jackal
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It has to suck being so sensitive lol

bright jasper
full veldt
bright jasper
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lmao mb i meant term

native mirage
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dusky mulch
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That’s ofc true that things can happen but it’s not as easy as it sounds to just casually host an event like this. Staff tries there best to make it a good time but not everyone can be respected

native mirage
# past jackal You just have to go next time

Well obviously. Thanks for the absolutely wonderful input. What I'm saying is of course it's extremely hard to setup and it takes a ton of staff resources but if it was doable to do it more than once every 3 months that would just be a positive.

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It's okay I'm missing it just cool to see it done more than the once a 3 months. But yeah it definitely is a ton of work so I totally understand it

past jackal
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Making it more often would just make the event and promotions less meaningful, aside from the efforts it would take. Which we already stated

chilly sparrow
# past jackal Making it more often would just make the event and promotions less meaningful, ...

I don't entirely think how "meaningful" the promotion is should be the determining factor to decide how frequently the test happens.

By that I mean, the frequency of the test shouldn't be the only factor making the promotion meaningful, or hard to get.

If you make the test happen every single week, but only a handful of players a month get promoted, the promotion will still be meaningful. If every 3 months you have 10 promotions, or if every month you have 3, it's pretty much the same, but the frustration is reduced.

I think it's fun that it's rare tho, it feels like a huge event, but I can see how it being trimestral can be stressing to some people.

bright jasper
restive canyon
native mirage
restive canyon
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lol I see what they said, it’s a mute point because so many other games are just fine doing it. Don’t like it play something else that fits your schedule better. Single player games are great I hear

chilly sparrow
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It seems like a really specific thing to Nin Online honestly.

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Not arguing one way or another, just curious,.

restive canyon
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Same exact thing, just not RP related, which is a point that doesn't exactly matter for the sake of the arguement, right? Idk doesn't seem all that crazy to me

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Especially when its a rank that doesnt REALLY matter, and that honestly only chronically online people should be getting anyways, because they are helper roles for Genin to get their RP quests done

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I would not want someone who cant make it for things to be a chunin and needed for rp quests to get done, sorry not sorry.

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I hope that makes sense now. This isn't that big a deal for anyone who isn't wanting to help and be the RP quest givers.

native mirage
restive canyon
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Was my main point all along anyways. lmao

native mirage
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That's fair. But again just because I miss one day doesn't mean I'm inactive lol

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That doesn't even make sense haha

restive canyon
exotic ginkgo
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Imagine playing New World, only 1 faction rank up mission each 3 months and u miss that day BetterEmojiMeme

restive canyon
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Sucks to suck

past jackal
bright jasper
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I would like to hear why everyone has a problem with a second ce in a term?

dusky mulch
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because it requires gms to do this event

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It’s a limited amount of people doing a huge event in their free time

cloud willow
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Back in the day wasn't it like 2 CE a term or something? Granted terms were way longer

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Any Old kage could correct me if I am wrong but it was a heavy work load on both the players and staff thus reducing the terms also resulted in reducing the amount of CEs being hosted

bright jasper
cloud willow
past jackal
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And they started seeing less and less players and the event was just deteriorating each time lol.

cloud willow
past jackal
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Yeah mist has had a ton of cooked ones

drifting arrow
chilly sparrow
chilly sparrow
# restive canyon Path of exile, Last Epoch, Rust and many others have seasonal events/wipes that ...

Seasons in Diablo-likes are not "1 day" things, you have weeks (if not months) to play the season. And usually, whatever you get in the season is not transfered over to the next season.
And games like Rust/V-Rising have constant wipes with dozens of servers wiping everyday, so you can just pick whatever server wiped today and start playing. In V-Rising example, you can host your own server if you want.

Anyway, like I said, I'm not defending making the event more frequent, just was curious if there was any other mmo with things like this heh

cloud willow
restive canyon
drifting arrow
past jackal
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lol doubling the amount of them will make it more often than not

drifting arrow
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I like it being once every 3 months. Gives a special feeling to it

cloud willow
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drifting arrow
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