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He lied
What're u guys talking abt
It really really did
:O
And then I rejoined
Captain Puff#4001 Youāve Reached Level 2
I still had it
What're u talking abt
Now a couple days later
SON OF A BITCH I YELLED OUT BECAUSE MY SWORD WAS GONE
Damn
WOTT
Nah bro NOW ITS DEEP
You can get it back as a human you still have it
Yeah but robux is expensive in my country so feel u
You weren't even supposed to have it anyway
BECAUSE NOW ITS ONLY FOR MUICHIRO SWORD AND GIYU SWORD.
It doesn't work those either anymore
Just buy em
I wanna be human again tbh
They thought they wldve have it try to understand that
Iām broke bro wdym
I have 54 bobux 
Keep ur own nichirin blade if ur human
Dam
Wait so you're mad because you were abusing a bug that got patched?
39 š¤”
Well it was only 1 time
So technically
Yh he is
I didnāt abuse it
He just didn't know
Because I just got in this server rn
Puff im gonna be honest, it ain't that deep
He didn't know demons could have swords
Your opinion
Yh but like it ain't that deep
Also I just wanted to feel like my favorite hybrid uppermoon 1
Read over the story and u all will understand where he's coming from
Ohhh
Makes sense
Ohhhh u had that sword
Even tho I barley know anything about him ;-;
Like an inspiration
I feel u
Nah I had the rengoku sword
Ye
Tbh my mate was acc going on how he was gonna get moon breathing and buy that sword and be the best demon
Oh bru
You gotta get moon breathing by admin right?
You can't even get moon as a demon if you aren't UM1
Thatās what Iām being told
Technically yes
Tbh I want sun breathing
Wait so u can only get moon ae a human?
Iām tryna be an off brand yoriichi š¤”
If you're a demon you have to rank up but as a human you can be a moon student
I saw the guy that made a thumbnail for higoshi today in my game, apparently he got sun breathing, I had to go at the time he was supposed to get it but apparently he got sun breathing
Hybrid isn't taking students rn anyway
Who isnt
So it's unobtainable
How is sun unobtainable
On my way to da devs rn or administrator
Bro I'd give the sloppiest toppy for sun
You know how super said that moon and sun is unobtainable?
Yes
Yh
How
?
Okkk

;-;
That's not what the reverse card is for
Guys go to #758348855384997928 and look at my idea for gamemode
But the game kicks losers meaning you would get the same amount of yen everytime
Ranked and HVD
They made a suggestion for it
Plus there's no way to track how many people are there before the game starts
There's always someone that didn't connect, left or took too long to join
Damn
Ranked is meant to just be a fun 1v1 gamemode
Yh
Iām back
Ah ok
Thatās why I also made a suggestion on Slayers vs Demons just in case š
guess what
i think
that gravity breathing should be a thing
you could dominate the other hashira
by squishing them with gravity and theres no escape
I have a actual debate... if they where on the same power level, stamina strength etc. who would win Akaza or Douma I personally think Akaza
its doma not douma
ok sorry
Either DÅma or Douma would be correct but not Doma. The "Å" is the single ligature version of the "ou" sound but English tends to avoid using latin alphabet ligatures and just sticks to latin alphabet letters for representing sounds (using ou in places where other languages might use Å). Linguistically they are interchangeable anyway.
Doma is incorrect because it is phonetically not identical to DÅma or Douma, which are the most phonetically accurate spellings. It is super common for rougher translations to just take something like DÅma and write it as Doma, although that does end up changing the pronunciation of the word.
Found this on reddit and it makes sense
DÅma is the japanese name for him, and the most accurate translation is Douma bcos of the pronounciation
That's a tough one, they both got insane hax
something I can understand pls
Wof wof wof
Zegod#1818 Youāve Reached Level 3
Douma is correct. It's the most accurate spelling and pronounciation from the japanese way DÅma
Doma isn't correct
Hello
How many rank points fir which ranks ?
Heaven ascended DIO solos
Heaven ascended DIO solos everything (watch someone bring up a character I never heard of)
Deadpool one taps
Heaven ascension DIO has the ability to rewrite reality itself
He has the ability to stop time
True
not everthing
but like
90% of anime
plot armor
Wait, but doesn't heaven Dio need to punch something so he can overwrite it?
In an alt uni but ye
Nowhere near
You guys underestimate anime too much because I assure you thereās loads of anime characters that solo heaven ascend dio and the jojo verse
True
He still solo
But he got stopped by the original deadpool
Yep
Stopping time is a weak feat when it comes to mfs who control time and space and shi which are thousands
^
Isn't omni man a weaker version of base goku? š
š
Lol
no waifu no laifu end of debate
deku>aizen
waifu=no laifu
They cannot defeat The world: Over heaven because when dio achieved heaven he is basically DIO (which in Italian it means God) So he can stop time for as long as he wants AND! There wonāt be a cool down for how long he stops time
He loses to a lot of people
Anos
Rimuru
Deadpool kills the marvel universe Deadpool
Cap
He doesnāt
He destroys dio
Once*
Eyes of heaven
That was a video game bro-
Yeah
Iām talking about the actual anime
Yes
Anos one taps
He/she doesnāt
DIO CANāT DIE EITHER
When he was a normal person and he was just in a video game you dumb fuck
It was because Jotaro achieved heaven in the game as well
He beat dio when dio was a normal person?
Tf
He beat dio when he was an immortal vampire
"Immortal"
Dio was split in half but he wasnāt dead
He was regenerating slowly
Then they put him in the sun
And he died
So he still is immortal as long as heās not in the fucking sunlight
Jeez that gay ass vampire
Because he is a vampire
Or regenerate
At this point you win because Iām tired from coming back from school
Ok
Giorno (GER) or Anos
But doesnāt Anos have the ability to kill you and bring you back to life how many times he want
Anos wins
Anos wins
Madara
I ask for a phone order
to farm the bottles in butterfly estate for a very long time
depends
if kokushibo isnt in the sun he would win
nice name @vestal sable
I remember being able to play this game on mobile
Yeah and there are lots of anime characters that control space and time, so time wont have any effect on them
You know being "immortal" doesn't mean "oh I can't die" because their are different types of immortality
9 types
Dio prob has type 3
tell me any character name who solos giorno or heaven acended dio
Depends on more aspects
Which Madara we talking about? 10 tails one? Madara at his peak before he died? Revived Madara?
and if Susanoo is allowed
if it is
koku gets obliterated
So is dio over heaven š¤”
+Dio oh needs to punch his target before overwriting it
kiss my pink asshole @vestal sable
ew dawg ā ļø Iām blocking you
k
yoo also u couldāve ping me in general
k
Wth did I just read lol
Listen here you discord pfp looking ass boi
Dio over heaven cannot defeat the other space and time users in anime but he is a little different
DIO in his ascended form has the powers of teleportation, instantaneous regeneration, resurrecting the dead, mind control and can summon lightning bolts to attack and target his opponents. He also appears to have the ability of dimensional travel, similar to Valentine's D4C.
Or any other time and space users
But dio achieved heaven
Unlike the space and time users
So thatās how he is different
do you know that zenitsu is better than tanjiro
- Ok 3456432th yoriichi pfp
- If the game isn't cannon then Dio oh doesn't clap bs
he lost to Jotaro
(twice)
so he's absolute garbage
ŠŠ¾Ńокš¾#2472 Youāve Reached Level 2
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Fr
Sure. Simon the digger from ttgl
I can name loads more too
Ill only do anime since you underestimate anime like that
Anos, Rimuru, Comp Goku, Featherine, Akuto Sai, Simon the digger, Yogiri, Gilgamesh
You know
Dio oh is only like multi solar system right?
Comp goku?
Itās mainly his overwriting fate shi that people freak out about
ever heard of return to zero ability
Yeah
It gets bypassed by anyone that can manipulate reality
Which one is that again
then dio za wardo over heaven i will pick that
Loses to a lot of characters
Yeah and you know thatās more of just Acasualty manip which most mf if not all bypassed and have stronger ones
Basically comp Goku is the mix of all Gokus
I couldāve done CC Goku
I see
Also everyone talks about gilgamesh
Are we talking about the one from the fate series?
Ye
Well yeah but you see-
Here Iāll dm you a few things soon
He gets to outer pretty easily
jorge joestar>>>>> ur fav anime verse
FR
who
joe
which is better hantengu or akaza?
probably akaza
no
Can't tell if you are serious or not.
If you're not then your joke is ass.
If you are u have a major skill issue.
saitama>all
guys
ok roast me i can give you some info alr?
pussyslayer6978#7438 Youāve Reached Level 4
sthu go find your missing arm dumb ass bitch: spoilers
ok so my crush rejected me and she avoids me and my best friend stop talking to me
is that good?
no
mhmmm
this means
your bf is going out with your crush
can you find something to roast with it i think you can find something with it
so he feels guilty
well no
he is kinda ugly and he doesnt even know her
soooo
hmm
can you roast me
blackmail
these are good reason ngl
oh k
peac eout
peace*
im dead
wow
just say your mom or somit idk
Rimuru soloās anime in general
demon slayer best anime
buff akaza its rare its mean to powerful
Akaza isn't rare tf
Featherine claps
Who the hell.
If you don't know her then stfu normie
Anos claps rimuri
Featherine claps anus
Joe claps featherine
k
yo bro what ur eating, watermelon?
Saitama claps Goku
i clap your mom's cheeks
I get no bitches and im proud to be a virgin
sex
damn Gomioka Tiyu
same
thx
not a goku stan neither i have watched dbz but didnt goku broke his limiter several times while saitama only broke it once
dragon ball sucks ass
those bastards lied to me
but goku has defeated several multiversal characters while saitama defeated only boros which is universal level
Its a fresh name
I swear lmma kiss you
but we dont know if saitama can do that and he can in the manga
if u are girl then u can uwu
wtf
looks like i gotta read opm manga
lmao
escan too
what is saitama biggest achievement in the manga
nothing so strong he destroy all enemys with one punch
like one is orochi
can destroy a system solar
and he destroy with one punch
dragon ball mid
dragon ball is nice but saitama claps
yo kokushibo go cry against yorichi again
i dont roleplay too just my fav master
no rlly i do not
Beuh why not sus
I believe you š
@atomic prairie how to destroy someone with words 101
lmao
Jotaro claps Saitama
stfu
Jojo's mid adventure
bruh jojo is amazing
do you like gay sex?
Saitama solos Demon Slayer
giorno might
part 1, 6 and 8 are shit
part 2, 3, 4 and 7 are ok-good
the others are under mid
overall jojos mid adventure is meh
demon slayer has a bad main story, but the fights are pretty neat
kiddo tryna fight main villain to save his little sister
kind of a cliche if you think about it
+ds is pretty much inspired from Bleach
theres no originality in ds
I felt like the ending was rushed and disappointing.
They established this new super strong demon and then almost instantly the problem was dealt with
with the power of friendship
The battles overall were good and the final battle was okay, but the sudden abrupt just "Looky here they won now lets jump 100 years ahead" was what really just made it feel off for me.
Kuroko no basque is where it's at
yo, no it's not
bro u need a therapist if u say part 1 is bad and part 2,3,4 and 7 as mid
fr
"bro u need a therapist if u say part 1 is bad and part 2,3,4 and 7 as mid" š¤š¤
Gabiā¢#4415 Youāve Reached Level 12
Or the villains being evil for no purpose, just for the sake of being evil.
Shit writing about that
"oo im bad vampire ill conquer the world and achieve heaven oo"
and then gets his ass whooped by a 17 year old
what one of these breathings are the most fun and best in pvp (im lvl 200) wind/flame/thunder
kk thx
wind and thunder are the most fun in my opninion
mid boruto
midboruto
Part 2 was literally best part.
Part 4*
might? Giorno destroys saitama
Flame is best in pvp imo, wind is too ez to pb
true
Part 2 got the best opening tooš„
Shits such a bop
Part 4 still better
I feel like you're the kind of person that faps on Josuke's hairstyle
Nope
2 and 7 are the only good ones
Lol
Also demon slayer pfp yikes
Trueee
drawing pfp yikes
Nothing worse than mid slayer pfps
Nothing worse than drawn pfps
Reason: Bad word usage
neat
Lol
All Pfp Mid Except Discord Pfpšæšæšæš
Nah but he is op
ʳā±įµįµŹ³įµ#1863 Youāve Reached Level 11
Cap Rimuru beats anos narrative haxs
True
Cap
Multi solar technically you can even say galaxy, uni lvl would be ratting
Giorno definitely claps Saitama
he cant take dmg from saitama
but him sure cant give dmg to saitama to
golden experience requiem needs a barrage for kill diavolo
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diavolo legits have normal human resistance
or just a bit higher
saitama have at least planetary resistence
so its a infinite battle
I don't think you understand how Giorno's Ger works
boros is planetary
ger needs a barrage to kill normal human
star platinium is literally stronger
saitama cant dmg giorno
but giorno cant dmg saitama
No Ger can definitely damage Saitama
nah
ger is weaker than star platinium
in physical power
he needs a full barrage
for kill
a normal
human
saitama have at least planetary resistance
he legit cant even touch in giorno
but giorno cant damage him
while star platinium without any nerf can explode a vampire head
with one punch
ger just have a op ability
his other stats probally arent even A
its ''???'' but its probally less than A
The barrage didn't kill diavolo though
Trish said he's still alive
so a full barrage for dont even kill a normal human
ger dont looks so fast to
and probally have a trash range
It didn't need to kill him to give him an infinite death loop
he needs to die
but dont needs to die for giorno
but giorno cant even dmg saitama
so its a infinite battle
so a true fact its that star platinium is stronger than ger lol
ger only got the op ability
Trish literally says she can still sense he's alive
ger got what?
B in power?
probally C
its ''???''
but probally is C
so saitama vs giorno is a drawn
Thats just guess work
even stands with B power can kill a normal human with a full barrage with more than 100 punchs
Only araki knows
ger with A power would be broken
like
star platinium can literally explode someone head
with 1 punch
but sadly
star platinium get nerfed
every part
no
in part 6 jolyne holded jotaro back
in part 4 he wasnt there for most of the time
in part 4 he was really nerfed
nope
coz he was blasted
in part 3 1 punch would explode kira head
and exhausted
he dont was exhausted bro
he was legit in za warudo
if he have energy for do za warudo
and full barrage in za warudo
he is really fine
and in part 3 jotaro barraged many people but they were alive
most of jotaro barrages part 3 wasnt for kill
998lobinhogames#2922 Youāve Reached Level 8
he only wants to kill dio in part 3
so the same execuse for part 4 ig
on the first chance to punch dio he literally EXPLODE dio head
nah
coz he pissed him oof
off*
welp kira was about to do bites za dusto
so he was tensed
and jsut wanted to break his finge
he dont wanted to ''break his finger''
jotaro dont want to die
kira have freaking 10 fingers
he just need 2 for explode everyone there
a stand user getting arrested?
after a guy that stand is literally water can escape death setence
u think kira that can just explode the walls
would get arrested?
oof
Distinct Nerve#6969 Youāve Reached Level 11
sure
in part 6 is true that jotaro died just because of jolyne
even pucci knows that
but part 4 dont have any excuses
No
Killer queen has a bomb hand
Only that finger can be used
And he broke it
so for broke kira finger he brokes 8 bones the face legs ribs and some internal organs?
pucci?
Idk haven't finished part 6
and probally would fight cream stand guy to
But in part 3 and 4 he doesn't kill
its a fact
if a guy can legit kill u
u wont let he does this
if kira just needs a finger for kill everyones there
jotaro would broke his entire body
star platinium is just nerfed
and jotaro dont killed that guy that was a fake captain?
he literally goes trough his head
i think he killed the monkey to
if jotaro life is in danger he just kill
he killed monkey and the water guy
Star platinum wasn't nerfed in part 4
It still had the same stats as part 3
The water guy killed himself
To avoid being questioned
what are you guys debating
Makoto#1795 Youāve Reached Level 1
he can kill a human with 1 punch in part 3
so u saying when his and his friends life was 100% sure gone if he let kira press his finger he wouldtn punch kira with 100% power?
He didn't though
ohhhh
ye
man i never knew
me neither
Exactly, which will/can kill Saitama. Now I can get deep into this ya know
Look dude

Bro you use that emote lmfao
Algum br?

how return to zero can kill saitama?
just the fact he exploded part of dio head with one punch is proof of this
what human would survive this?
Ight lemme fix my argument
ALright. You do realize Giorno has immeasurable speed right?
And how do you get Immeasurable speed? By existing/moving where there is no time via space as well
And that's exactly what Giorno did to Diavolo
He transcended Diavolo's time erase/skip, thus putting him 5D because Giorno was existing where there was no space nor time
Thus
Saitama is getting clapped dude
Sorry but truth
just because its ??? dont mean is immeasurable
u basically said giorno is faster than light
while his stand is shit
just rtz save ger
ger power is shit
he needs a full beatdown for kill a normal human
if something is going faster than light
1 punch explode this shit
he just rtz the time skip
nothing of this bullshit
for have immeasurable speed he would be fastar than light
u can be 100% sure that star platinium is faster and stronger than ger
a full barrage
with more than 50 punchs probally
for dont even kill diavolo
if does this to someone with normal human resistence
saitama wont even fell ger punchs
its a drawn
just accept it
Dude lmfao
Not immeasurable speed
should i switch from insect to thunder? (lvl 91) ( max gourd)
fix the damn lag
Nothing can hurt Giorno. He can put Saitama in inf death loop and spam rtz which is activated instantly
How do you guys think slayer Mark rengoku would do against akaza?
Akaza would have died then cause rengoku already kept up with him and nearly killed him in normal form
he needs to kill saitama
for put in rtz
saitama needs to die in some way
for infinite death loop
just accept its a fucking draw bro
giorno cant hurt saitama and saitama cant hurt giorno
saitama legit goes faster than fucking light speed
how tf giorno will even hit him
and if hit dont will even hurt
for put in inf death loop
is what the name says
he needs to fucking DIE
and giorno dont have any
way
to kill saitama
just because he cant get hit dont means he is stronger
he just dont get hit
star platinium still stronger and faster than ger
that just proof of shit that is stand is
unic op ability is rtz
Vegetas endurance is god tier.
Yes Immeasurable speed unless Limitless got it wrong
Ohhh lmfao you were saying that's not how
Ohh yeah
Giorno still shits on Saitama
Accept it
Saitama is fodder
Lemme actually explain Immeasurable speed. is being able to perform action where time does not exist, or being beyond 3-D concepts of distance/time.
Ye
Saitama is overhyped for no reason
I wish I could send scans and shi to show him the reason
I might boost tbh
Saitama is overrated asf
Fr
If saitama tries to hit Giorno he will just RTZ, then he will 7 page muda him in Ger form and fucking kill him, then put him in inf death loop
U can't move in RTZ
but Giorno can Im pretty sure
Lmfao fr
Not to mention Saitama wouldn't even be able to see Giorno as the speed difference is too big man
OH SHIT I FORGOT
ANd then we could even say from dimensionality, Saitama being 3-4D technically. He wouldn't even be able to attack Giorno or view him, basically saying Giorno being in a higher plane field (dimension) he'd view Saitama as fiction
Saitama can't even see Golden Experience since he isn't a stand user
Exactly
Fax
It's like comparing TOAA to Goku
Goku is strong, just like Saitama but not strong enough to beat the opponent
ye
Mby this was a bit overkill since TOAA is omnipotent
Lmao
Ger speed isnt even at sound lol
It was Just rtz of time skip lol
A thing that isnt even at speed sound wont kill saitama lol
Giorno needs a full barrage for hurt diavolo
He cant even kill a normal human
It was like 50 punchs
For someone with normal human resistence survive and still have energy for move in ground
Saitama resistente is at least at planetary level
While ger speed is less than sound
And power less than B
Any stand with b kill a human with more than 50 punchs
Ger is overrated
Just a shit stand
Just have rtz
Star platnium is literally stronger and faster
Just because the stats are ??? Dont mean its imessurable
If it was immeasurable it would kill diavolo with 1 punch
Por a shit barrage and let him alive
A stand with punchs slowers than sound and weaker than stands with b power
This thing wont even make a scrath in saitama
Giorno fanboys are really annoying thinking he is immeasurable Just because the ???
All new stands that Araki dont want to instant show appears as ???
Its a fucking drawn
Just accept
Lol
Rtz kill now?
While in rtz it have more chance to giorno literally break his arms
Like a kid punching a wall
Its just a drawn
Saitama resistence is at planetary lvl
And giorno power aint even in city
Just a fact
Bro wrote a whole book about how saitama is still fodder to Giorno
Its literally a drawn lol
U do know they exaggerate the beat downs in the anime right?
And a life beam to the chest and he is dead
A life beam that cant even destroy a bulding
Just understand
Saitama is at planetary lvl
Its a drawn
Even star platinium is stronger than ger
LMAO
Emse#4085 Youāve Reached Level 12
Giorno got better feats
While star platinium punchs are canon in light speed
LOL
He does tho
Star platinum feat.
Throw a dog
Star platinum ts canāt do anything to ger
Nothing can touch ger
Still stronger
But he can still touch them
He can punch as many times as he wants until the opponent dies
Just because nobody can touch him dont mean he can destroy someone at planetary lvl
Yea no shit. Star platinum is a heavy hitter stand
He would literally break his arms punching saitama
Star platinium is legit canon light speed puncha
Punchs
Araki use drugs for part 3 stands
So its Just a drawn
Its basically giorno trying to break a Planet with punchs
And saitama trying to touch giorno and getting rtz
Just a drawn
But probally giorno cant see saitama to
Planetary strenght doesnāt mean plantetary dura
He is canon at light speed or faster
He basically survived a black hole
He is still fodder to Ger
That alien on boros spaceship said his physic was on Black HOLE pressure
And saitama moves like it was nothing
A real black hole wouldāve destroyed the city
But ok
He can control it
It literally his powers
They want to conqueror the world
Not fuck him
He claimed that his powers were manipulative gravity, and his powers mimics a black hole. Thatās not a statement
Mimics a black hole
Basic Black HOLE pression
And if in remember correct
Boros attacks was planetary lvl
In manga saitama tooks some light speed attacks to
And walks like was a joke
Ok? He still loses to Ger. Accept it, saitama is fodder to Gerš
How?
Ger just cant kill him
Its a basic thing
Ger attacks cant kill a normal human hk
Exactly, finally u have come to ur senses and understand
Ger attacks arent even city
Ah u admitted it
He cant even hurt saitama
Finally I can sleep in peace
Wow a error in my write lets take this like i was right and dont accept a basic thing
Giorno cant hurt saitama
Or even see him
Saitama=fodder
Ger isnt 4d lol
He restored time and space. Time and space is a 4d plain
He just return like it was before lol
Yea restored time
So jotaro can beat anyone under 4d to?
He stops time
Dio to?
Dio from part 7 to?
They stop time and space
Huh?
Giorno Just restored it
Nothing more
Yea
Its his unic speacil things
Opponent canāt do anything if time is stopped
unless itās anos
Yea true
cause anos isnāt affected by that
Anos is busted
Doesnt means he can hurt the opponent
U legit said sp punches are light speed. He can throw so many punches it will break every bone in the body in a 10 second time stop
Giorno=op
Saitama takes light speed attacks like it was a joke
998lobinhogames#2922 Youāve Reached Level 9
Saitama alredy took alot of light speed attacks and dont even scrath him lol
U Just mald and dont want to accept it just a drawn
Ur the one that wrote a whole boom about how saitam still loses
Ur mad bcos Saitama gets shit stomped
Accept it
Ur mad
My text Just proof its a drawn lol
U dont said argument that proofs that giorno can hurt saiatama
I donāt need to
Wow i still learning english that automaticaly make u win debates for sure
Itās common sense
Just proofs the 9 years think
A 3D character canāt beat a 4d character
Giorno isnt 4d lol
He is
Jotaro is 4d so
Itās been scaled by so many people holy shit
Dio to
U just canāt accept that Saitama is fodder
Now u are just joking
Only time, not space
Dio is Omni too
Too op
Things like disappearing and appearing out of nowhere by goinf in other plane of space
Go to new physical levels
New places in the universe
Passing trough walls by going in a different plane
Giorno cant do 1% of this
Flame>All Breathing
Nah sun better than flame
Youāre right, Ger isnāt 4D heās fucking 5D dude
I literally just explained how heās 5D
@late hare if I send you the scans of Giorno basically being 5D will you send it in here so this guy can understand and admit Saitama is getting curbstomped
Because this seems to be the only way this guy will concede
Ger*
@vestal sable nvm I think I fodderized him
Nvm again msg got deleted

Gyomei can murder akaza
Pfft





