🤬│debate

[tough jungle]

between gyutaro and gyokko

ehh i dunno bbro gyutaroo is just insanely strong

muzan said it himself, gyutaro only lost because of daki

gyutaro was taking on both tengen and tanjiro

with thengen being one of the storngest hashiras out there

in fact i have reason to believe that tengen would be on par with a marked mui

ofc the wiki is no help bcuz it just glazes whomever its talkin abt

[heady nacelle]

I can clear things up

gyutaro isn't stronger than gyokko here's why

you're right he did lose "because of daki"

but daki also made him way harder to kill

because you have to behead both at the same time

though if gyutaro was fighting alone, he would've won because there's no one to hold him back

that's what muzan said

[hallow surge]

💔

[tough jungle]

mm true but they werent able to hit gyus head anyways until the very end

[hallow surge]

Tengen Mr Arbitrary Man

[tough jungle]

ye

[heady nacelle]

another thing is that all the uppermoons have gotten cocky over the years

way cocky

[tough jungle]

he's a very confusing guy

[heady nacelle]

they started stalling fights and underestimating hashira

[tough jungle]

gyutaro was weird - he went full out fro the very beggining

[heady nacelle]

he did, but why didn't he kill tanjiro is the question

he could've just ended the show

but decided to keep him alive and try converting him into a demon

[tough jungle]

oh ye u mean tanjiro

so many so many times the show coulve ended

[hallow surge]

He isn’t

[tough jungle]

if nakime had just sent doma to swordsmith village like he asked show woulda ended pretty fast

and

uh

lost my train of tough

[heady nacelle]

well that wasn't muzans order

so blame it on muzan

[tough jungle]

bad muzan 😠

[hallow surge]

No I went to do my theology hw

😭

[heady nacelle]

the moment gyutaro lost, he could've sent douma alone and just wiped the show

[tough jungle]

ay this way too deep gng. we just havin a friendly debate

[heady nacelle]

IN the swordsmith village arc

[tough jungle]

mf just waited for tanjiro to lvl up b4 giving him enemies for his lvl 😭

[heady nacelle]

exactly

[tough jungle]

although he did send akaza to kill tanjrio after enmu failed

[heady nacelle]

and just so you know, it took about 2 months for gyokko to find the swordsmith village after the meeting

[tough jungle]

unluckily for him rengoku was there

[tough jungle]

oh

how long was tanjiro there?

[heady nacelle]

probably a week or so

because he trained with the yorichi doll

[tough jungle]

mm

[heady nacelle]

but the meeting happened exactly after gyutaro died

instant meeting

[tough jungle]

wbt between akaza and hantengu (all upper 4 emotions + zohakuten)

[heady nacelle]

and then it timeskips that tanjiro had a coma for 2 months after the battle

[heady nacelle]

what about them?

[tough jungle]

i mean i find it kinda hard to believe that akaza would be able to take on all 4 of them

[heady nacelle]

the 4 of them aren't much of an issue

yk what the issue is?

[tough jungle]

because obviously the real upper 4 are the 4 eotions

[heady nacelle]

fighting zohakuten while tryna find hantengu

no wonder so many hashira died fighting that guy

[tough jungle]

mm

[heady nacelle]

even especially since that guy has zero fighting spirit, he's always afraid

[tough jungle]

just realised akaza actually took on 2 marked hashiras (hashira leveles) didnt he

[heady nacelle]

he did, and I still count him winning

[tough jungle]

he did win

ye

[heady nacelle]

both of them were at their limits, and he regenerated his head

I count that as a win

[tough jungle]

thats just insane

[heady nacelle]

you haven't read the manga?

[tough jungle]

nah

im not that big into these stuff

just rlly enjoy the animations and shi

[heady nacelle]

wait for kokushibo

bros an avenger level threat

[tough jungle]

aint no avengers taking on that mf

[heady nacelle]

the scaling between akaza and kokushibo is so far

[heady nacelle]

it was a joke some avengers lowk rock his shi

[tough jungle]

how about muzan and koku?

[heady nacelle]

a lot of people argue on this one but it's not even a debate

a prime black haired muzan, is diffing kokushibo

no matter the form

[tough jungle]

o

lowk dont know much abt koku

[heady nacelle]

the only two demons who lost to plot was akaza and kokushibo

[heady nacelle]

akaza ain't the only one who regrew his head...

[tough jungle]

nahh koku grew his?????

[heady nacelle]

yes bro that shi was terrifying

worse than akaza's

[tough jungle]

where tf did bro get his willlpower from

[heady nacelle]

"I.. WILL NOT.. DIEEE"

[tough jungle]

so can kokushibo genuinely be beheaded and just forced regrew (like in akazas case)? or is he like muzan

[heady nacelle]

that moment will break theaters

if you know you know

[heady nacelle]

akaza's case

[tough jungle]

ion wanna know more

[tough jungle]

o

writer's jst pullin all this shi outta their ass atp

[heady nacelle]

nah lowkey

this one is more explainable than akaza's

[tough jungle]

hol up i have a question

yknow how in gyomeis past story in the hashira training arc - th boy who betrayed them to the demon. was that mf kaigaku???????

he looked so similar

[heady nacelle]

yeah he was LOL

[tough jungle]

WTF

does it say anywhere that it was him though?

[hallow surge]

Kokushibo’s entire existence is an obsession with perfection and he loses himself because he can not accept being the strongest

[heady nacelle]

kaigaku is a problem in TWO backstories

[tough jungle]

did he want to surpass muzan or smth?

[heady nacelle]

No it doesn't, but it hints at it during his flashback

[heady nacelle]

No, he didn't

[hallow surge]

No he wants to surpass his brother

[tough jungle]

bruh doing sidequests while being a menace gng 💔

[tough jungle]

but his brother is ded

[hallow surge]

If u want I can give u a very in depth analysis on Kokushibo

[heady nacelle]

oh you don't know?

[heady nacelle]

add me

[tough jungle]

ay dont u tell me hes frikin alive

no no no no

u cant tell me hes alive

how

[tough jungle]

o

ok

i have returned with knowledge

i dunno man koku shoulda just pulled off an akaza yknow

it is what is

Namu Amida Butssu 🙏 😭 📿

ok so back to that thing

what avenger would diff kokushibo

i wonder how long itll take till they release the movie on those anime watch sites

[long ridge]

There is currently no release date for Hinokami. #❓│faq

[tough jungle]

i've alr wtached it but it seems i've issed so many important stuff

[tough jungle]

syfm clanker

[heady nacelle]

probably 2026

bruh

[tough jungle]

damn

[tough jungle]

bruh

[glacial wren]

Jeez you’ve had a good time lol. Just got back

[tough jungle]

mm

i had a lovely time with my opinions gettin rejected 😄

and bein clowned

"when vin jr dont win da ballond'or strange things will happen"

ay but all in all raphina deserved it

or atleast a place in top 3

[glacial wren]

lmao

[tough jungle]

anyone interested in football

NOT SOCCER

ITS FOOTBALL

🏉 ❌
⚽ ✅

rugby is a good sport

but its not football

[glacial wren]

thank you. That’s it’s proper name

[bronze coyote]

Douma low diffs gyomei

Hah!

[hallow surge]

Good morning

Please get Douma above Shinobu’s speed first

[bronze coyote]

Haii

[hallow surge]

Douma still admits Shinobu is faster lmao

And only tags her after she was nerfed

😭

[hallow surge]

The novel and databook both state Shinobu is faster

[hallow surge]

What does this prove

Are you going to show the next literal panel of Douma saying “If you were that fast you might have beaten me.”

[bronze coyote]

Might have doesnt prove anything

[hallow surge]

He says “might” because Shinobu lacks the AP to beat him

And regardless there is author’s intent, Douma’s 3 fucking statements on her speed and novel and databook statement

Saying Shinobu isn’t faster than Douma or at least relative speed to him despite the obvious narrative pointing towards it is just being ignorant to the story

[bronze coyote]

I never said shinobu wasnt relative speed to him, just that hes faster

[glacial wren]

Bro we are not doing this again. Syau

[bronze coyote]

the life of an eboy

🌹

he even said goodmorning!

before

yk

[glacial wren]

oml

[tame rampart]

Crazy chat 😜 🤪

[heady nacelle]

bro there's zero point in replying to that person anymore he's too stubborn

thinking one of the weaker hashira is faster than second moon to the top

[bronze coyote]

Im not saying i agree but shinobus speed isnt to be joked with

[bronze coyote]

Hes funny

I like him

He makes me laugh!

With his

Stupidity

[heady nacelle]

not at all

she is really fast

[heady nacelle]

friend me rq

[tough jungle]

np gng ❤️

so what did i miss hm

still on the shinbou and douma thing hmm

jst gunna say some stuff tilll i get to rank 8

[dusky roost]

pineburgr You’ve Reached Level 8

[tough jungle]

o

nvm then

[heady nacelle]

Idk why it’s a convo

[tame rampart]

Demon slayer fans cant talk about anything different

[heady nacelle]

Ikr😘 (platonically)

[glacial wren]

fr

[vestal sable]

Just put the fries in the bag

Debating on mid 💔

[tame rampart]

Lets debate on these

[vestal sable]

Roza pre-vol 4 solos the whole verse

[tame rampart]

Thats true

But we can spoil

If i have time tomorrow ill try write

The pills haven't been hitting me as hard now

[vestal sable]

Sick

[glacial wren]

Good morning guys. Lets get ready for work 🫠😑

[tough jungle]

yos. what case do we have today

[bronze coyote]

My unemployment says hi

[glacial wren]

Case of the adult special funny juice??

[glacial wren]

Lol, my money says hi back

[tough jungle]

😭

ay what is this cursed technique

money + discord

[glacial wren]

Lol, only the strongest can learn it

[bronze coyote]

I have money too x

[hallow surge]

🥴

both the novel and databook say so 🥴

[glacial wren]

Yay!!

[glacial wren]

Still hasn’t bothered to prove it 🥴

[bronze coyote]

The novel also says shinobu "almost killed" douma..

[hallow surge]

I dont have img perms

[hallow surge]

and she did lmao?

😭

r u going to argue with the author and his obvious intentt

[bronze coyote]

?? That would legit put her above giyuu who was strugglinf against akaza what

[bronze coyote]

The novel can be mistranslated

[hallow surge]

ok so

[hallow surge]

its not

[bronze coyote]

And you know this how

[bronze coyote]

??? Shinobu no yaiba

[hallow surge]

ur burden to prove its mistranslated

[bronze coyote]

No not really

[hallow surge]

fanbook also states so

[hallow surge]

you were the one to first make the claim its mistranslated

[bronze coyote]

You did the claim shinobu is faster than douma and allegedely stronger than giyu??

[hallow surge]

yeah and i supported my claim with novel and fanbook statement

[bronze coyote]

Its your burden to prove the novel isnt mistranslated

[hallow surge]

YOU

made the claim

its mistranslated

not ME

[bronze coyote]

YOU want to use it as proof so YOU have to prove its not

X

[hallow surge]

no i dont??

😭

[bronze coyote]

Everything you say has to be proven if you want to use it in a debate

I said it can be mistranslated and you say its not

Mine is hypotetical yours is a statement

[hallow surge]

The author approves and checks it before its released

[long ridge]

There is currently no release date for Hinokami. #❓│faq

[dusky roost]

sunflower.sequel You’ve Reached Level 6

[hallow surge]

ur burden to prove its mistranslated btw

which u cant

at all

[bronze coyote]

Why would I do that when i never said it as a statement

??

[hallow surge]

?

[bronze coyote]

Most novels are only japanese

[hallow surge]

lord

[hallow surge]

ok

therefore using ur logic everything in ds is invalid

🥴

because it could possibly be mistranslated

[bronze coyote]

The manga has official translation..

[hallow surge]

so does the fanbook

?

which states shinobu was too fast for douma

[bronze coyote]

So then she got blitzed how

Doumas bda doesnt decrease your perception btw

[hallow surge]

do you know what necrosis is

[bronze coyote]

Your lungs dont make you see worse bro

[hallow surge]

lack of oxygen will obviously affect ur reaction time

[bronze coyote]

Sure but she did have oxygen

Also its not about reaction

Its about perception

[hallow surge]

but a lack of it..she was struggling to breatthe

[hallow surge]

honey... this is the same thing

[bronze coyote]

It is not

Reaction speed is how fast you react to the attack perception is if you can see the attack at all

Shinobu did NOT see douma coming

[hallow surge]

"A lack of oxygen, known as hypoxia, severely impairs perception and other cognitive functions because the brain is extremely sensitive to oxygen deprivation. These effects escalate with the severity and duration of the oxygen shortage, ranging from mild confusion and slower reaction times to severe perceptual distortions, hallucinations, and unconsciousness. "

" slower reaction times to severe perceptual distortions, "

" Hazy or blurry vision: A lack of oxygen can cause the cornea to swell, leading to blurry or hazy vision. More severe, long-term hypoxia can cause damage to retinal cells and lead to inflammation. "

[bronze coyote]

She did not have hazy or blurry vision btw

Never stated

[hallow surge]

her reaction was still lowered

[bronze coyote]

We are talking abt perception

Do you even know the meaning of words

[hallow surge]

"Yes, reaction time is directly influenced by perception, as it is the time it takes to perceive a stimulus and then respond to it. The clarity and speed of perception, which includes seeing, hearing, or feeling a stimulus, are essential for a quick reaction time. Factors like attention, the complexity of the stimulus, and prior experience can all affect how the perception process impacts the overall reaction time. "

[bronze coyote]

Reaction time is irrelevant here

[hallow surge]

im clearly showing they are interwined

[bronze coyote]

They would be if shinobu actually saw his attack

[hallow surge]

" Yes, perception and reaction time are deeply intertwined, as reaction time is the total time from when you perceive a stimulus to when you respond to it. Your perception is the first step in this process; how quickly you see, hear, or feel something is crucial for a fast reaction, as is your brain's ability to process that information. Conversely, factors affecting your perception of stimuli can influence how quickly you can react. "

[bronze coyote]

Can you stop using google to prove a point you dont have

[hallow surge]

im using evidence tto show that reactionn and perception intersect

her perception will OBVIOUSLY be affected by necrosis it is the DEATH of cells

[bronze coyote]

Yes but it DOESNT matter You CANNOT react if you dont perceive in the first place

[hallow surge]

she was struggling to breathe

[bronze coyote]

Only her lungs were suffering from it

[hallow surge]

LACK OF OXYGEN WILL OBVIOUSLY AFFECT HER SENSES

[bronze coyote]

She was not lacking enough oxygen for her to be this slow and sloppy

[hallow surge]

ur going circular so im going assume u have no new arg wth do u mean necrosis wont affect her reaction and perception speed

[hallow surge]

prove this plz

[bronze coyote]

you need to prove it first lol

[hallow surge]

because her being "blitzed" blantattly proves my point

[bronze coyote]

it doesnt

[hallow surge]

this is UR claim

[bronze coyote]

her being blitzed shows lack of perception and speed

[hallow surge]

SO U JUST PRVE MY POINNT

?? 😂

SO WHICH IS ITT

WAS HER PERCEPTION LOW OR NOT

LMFAO

[bronze coyote]

YOU said her perception was suffering from her lungs having necrosis and you have no real proof to back this up

[bronze coyote]

it is bc hers is not that good..

[hallow surge]

i just showed more than 3 citations of necrosis and lack of oxygen affecting perception and reaction

i already proved my point

u haven't brought a single evidence to support ur claim

[bronze coyote]

you did not lol

[hallow surge]

and just goinng in circles

[hallow surge]

"A lack of oxygen, known as hypoxia, severely impairs perception and other cognitive functions because the brain is extremely sensitive to oxygen deprivation. These effects escalate with the severity and duration of the oxygen shortage, ranging from mild confusion and slower reaction times to severe perceptual distortions, hallucinations, and unconsciousness. "

[bronze coyote]

where is it stated shes lacking that much oxygen?

[hallow surge]

this is u begging the question

[bronze coyote]

this is me asking for proof

[hallow surge]

😭

[bronze coyote]

which u cant provide bc it isnt stated

[hallow surge]

itts shown she us lacking thatt much oxygen...because she got "blitzed" 🥴

[bronze coyote]

no nerfs and got blizted

blitzed*

hope this helps

doumas bda also doesnt dismember people so you cant say "yes but his bda!"

[hallow surge]

yes it does because there is no blood on his fans

😭

[bronze coyote]

so he just decided to slash her for fun?

are you stupid or what

[hallow surge]

he slashed at her to spread his bda

[bronze coyote]

there was no blood on his fans here either and then he states he "slashed" her ribs lungs and collarbone but there was no blood on his fans

[hallow surge]

🥴

[bronze coyote]

no blood

[hallow surge]

there was blood on his fans in the anime lol

[bronze coyote]

manga always comes first when it comes to being canon btw

[hallow surge]

author reviews everytthing about the anime lol and the panel ur showing one of douma's fan's is offscreeen and the 2nd is closed

[bronze coyote]

pure copium

[dusky roost]

umidekk. You’ve Reached Level 10

[hallow surge]

ironic

mr lack of oxygen doesnt affect ur perception is talking about pure copium 🥴

[bronze coyote]

mr i cant read keeps using his copium to try proving me wrong and keeps failing

[hallow surge]

"and failing"

just laugh and smile

[bronze coyote]

thats what im doing yes

thanks

this isnt even a debate anymore youre literally arguing for ego

this isnt as fun anymore soo

have fun!

or something

[hallow surge]

pure copium

The concept of douma's bda makes it hard to breathe and kills cells and apparently negating marks but CANT affect perception 😂

[eternal talon]

whos stronger tengen or shinobu?

[bronze coyote]

shinobu

[eternal talon]

sure buddy

slapped up by douma differently

[bronze coyote]

are you another ragebaiter

[eternal talon]

no just someone whos knows shinbous only feat is beating the spider sister

but whatever you think bud

[bronze coyote]

sure.. have fun ragebaiting others ig

[eternal talon]

dodging the debate after shinobu got speed blitzed

"fastest hashira btw"

[bronze coyote]

this is gonna be another argument not debate you just want to feed your ego like the other guy

im not gonna bother answering to you anymore in case anyone else answers to you, good luck!

[eternal talon]

ironic that shinbou fans like to dodge if only shinbou couldve dodged a single one of doumas attacks

give me freedom give me fire give me spider demon or i retire

[bronze coyote]

wait

@hallow surge

bro

theres someone degrading your mommy shinobu

come debate them

they say shinobu is spider sister level

@hallow surge

[eternal talon]

before he says douma got speedblitzed

[dusky roost]

zonify You’ve Reached Level 1

[bronze coyote]

he will tell you its bc of doumas bda

dont bother replying to me

wait for the eboy

[eternal talon]

he watched the movie with his eyes closed

[bronze coyote]

^

[eternal talon]

no

[bronze coyote]

okay man

[eternal talon]

bring the eboy here

[bronze coyote]

hes not my friend

[eternal talon]

not mine either

[bronze coyote]

then u gotta wait

[eternal talon]

i dont wanna lordtelecomand command him here

[bronze coyote]

youre

uhm

blocked!

bye

[hallow surge]

hello

im here to save the day

[bronze coyote]

@eternal talon

the eboy is here

[eternal talon]

Shinobu is ass

[hallow surge]

shinobu

[eternal talon]

And u blocked me

[hallow surge]

i assure you douma will instantly kill tengen so why does shinobu losing to douma mean anything

[bronze coyote]

have fun guys and gays!

[eternal talon]

Shinobu could’ve been one shot aswell

[hallow surge]

shinobu blitzes tengen

[eternal talon]

What’s ur point

[eternal talon]

Shinobu blitzes any hashira

No one is surviving a poison jab to the eye

What?

[hallow surge]

?

[hallow surge]

no

lol

?

[eternal talon]

Is she not the fastest hashira in attack speed

[hallow surge]

no she isnt

lmao

gyomei is faster

[eternal talon]

Also tengen holds the poison

He ain’t dying to her

Why we talking abt hashira vs hashira

What abt demon feats

[hallow surge]

yeah tengen isnt surviving is thrust to the neck

[eternal talon]

Cuz last I remember the only feat shinobu has was killing spider sister bud

[hallow surge]

she doesnt need poison

[eternal talon]

Tengen bombs her

[hallow surge]

she also has feats of being faster than douma and tagging him 8+ times

tengen isnt even doing that to gyokko

[eternal talon]

being faster then doumba

[hallow surge]

none of those bombs r hitting her considering daki reacted to them

[eternal talon]

douma

[hallow surge]

yes

[eternal talon]

this panel mean anything to u?

[hallow surge]

douma himself admits she was faster and both the novel and fanbook say so

[bronze coyote]

dont ping me please

[eternal talon]

i thought u blocked me

[hallow surge]

she was nerfed and weakened by his bda

[eternal talon]

last time i promise

[bronze coyote]

ok

[eternal talon]

so how in her best feat at the end of the fight was she at her fastest?

[dusky roost]

zonify You’ve Reached Level 2

[eternal talon]

clearly wasnt affected then?

[hallow surge]

she was death amped lmao

[dusky roost]

sunflower.sequel You’ve Reached Level 7

[eternal talon]

death amped?????

we have to be brain dead

pulling stuff out the crack now mate

[hallow surge]

it's consistently shown tthru out the series u get an amp at the brink of deatth

muichiro got strong enough to use read blade, rengoku could hold down akaza and almost decapitated him,

its stated by both muzan and hantengu this happens

[eternal talon]

i think that might be called plot mate

dk tho

[hallow surge]

?

what shittty arg is this

everything that happens in a story is plot

hello?

[eternal talon]

uhhh give me freedom give me fire give me spider sister or i retire

all im saying is ur character biggest feat was agaisnt a non moon

and she got blitzed by douma

[hallow surge]

i just proved u wrong

why r u reiterating points i debunked

😭 pkospkakopsklpspl[

[eternal talon]

shinobu isnt faster then douma

lets just get that straight

[hallow surge]

both douma, novel and fanbooks state she was

[eternal talon]

she got sliced without even realising

[eternal talon]

pull it up

[hallow surge]

because she was nerfed by his bda

[eternal talon]

how her fucking senses????

what

[hallow surge]

i already said tthis ur going circular

[hallow surge]

do u know what necrosis is

[eternal talon]

pls pull out visible evidence where it is stated that douma acknowledged shinobu is faster

[hallow surge]

im surpised ppl dont think ur cells dying and lack of oxygen wontt affect ur senses

🥴

[eternal talon]

still got dogged that fight

cant outspeed a demon cuz hes stronger and got powers

[hallow surge]

yeah tengen gets done the same

[eternal talon]

uhhhh

[hallow surge]

whats ur point

[eternal talon]

i remember him coming very close

[hallow surge]

faster even

[eternal talon]

while having one arm

and gyutaro was clearly struggling

[hallow surge]

yeah who took his arm again

[eternal talon]

cant say the same for douma

[hallow surge]

🪵

[eternal talon]

still clashed with one arm

he got nerfed and still came through

[hallow surge]

douma one shotts tengen is my point

[eternal talon]

one shots shinobu aswell

[hallow surge]

shinobu did the same

[eternal talon]

?

[eternal talon]

came through as in getting eaten?

[hallow surge]

yo the double standards of ds fans

u just have to laugh

[hallow surge]

she pinned douma tto the ceiling and pierced his neck

[eternal talon]

i vividly remember douma saying oh please whats the next posion?

[hallow surge]

did tengen decap gyutaro?

[eternal talon]

he was toying with her ass

ur saying if douma was serious

she wouldve hit that?

[eternal talon]

he opened up the perfect oppornity for that to happen

did 99% of the job

[hallow surge]

is that why he missed slashing shinobu and douma stating he could not predict her attack in his head and calls it "too fast?"

😂 ???

[eternal talon]

she ended up dying?

couldnt out run death could she?

he missed one attack

and ur glazing

[hallow surge]

And Tengen would have died without Tanjiro being there

Does that invalidate any of Tengen’s feats

Muichiro died against Kokushibo does that invalidate any of his feats

[eternal talon]

ur saying that shinbous feat was being faster then douma

which is just false

her only feat btw

[hallow surge]

Yes which is stated by Douma himself, THRICE
The Novel AND fanbook

[eternal talon]

SHOW ME

[hallow surge]

-

A technique that surprises the opponent with a single thrust. The thrust is so fast that an Upper Rank demons could not stop it with his hands.

[bronze coyote]

did you seriously boost to debate this guy

[hallow surge]

I didn’t have image perms?

https://tenor.com/view/handon-posie-hizzie-lizzie-saltzman-gif-21379639

[bronze coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/natsukiforlife-gif-10078665584191212034

[eternal talon]

i cant read the attack doesnt equal shes faster than douma

also i dont read fucking japanese

so that second pic is irrelevant

[hallow surge]

Ok so if Douma can’t read it why would Tengen

[eternal talon]

Tengen read what her fucking attacks

[hallow surge]

https://tenor.com/view/um-stan-twitter-interesting-gif-2556128588276332485

[eternal talon]

why we pinning hashiras one on one?

[hallow surge]

Because the argument was Tengen vs Shinobu

If Douma can’t read it why would Tengen

And regardless Douma comments “Too fast”

[eternal talon]

so ur saying muichiro loses to shinbou

cuz he couldnt read kokushibos attacks at all

[hallow surge]

Yeah Marked Mui

STW no

[eternal talon]

marked muichiro is weaker then base shinobu?

[hallow surge]

Yeah sure

ICA Marked Mui is at best like ICA Tanjiro level

[eternal talon]

so where u placing shinobu in the hashira ranking?

[hallow surge]

He doesn’t really have scaling

[eternal talon]

cuz i remember marked muichiro beating an upper rank by himself

cant say the same for shinobu

[hallow surge]

Yeah like 8/9 pillars bitch Gyokko also

😭

[eternal talon]

they dont bro 😭

[dusky roost]

zonify You’ve Reached Level 3

[eternal talon]

what are we talking abt

and shinobu especially doesnt

[hallow surge]

You’re the one making red herrings so

[hallow surge]

Haven’t debunked Shinobu being faster than Douma so

[eternal talon]

he killed her

thats debunked?

[hallow surge]

Ok

[eternal talon]

???

[hallow surge]

Douma only hit her after she was nerfed

So like what’s ur point

[eternal talon]

nerfed by what

being slowed down?

[hallow surge]

His BDA

Duh

[eternal talon]

so she was slowr

so u dont know her actual speed

cuz she was "nerfed"

but while being nerfed was to fast for douma?

cheers bud

[hallow surge]

I just said she was death amped after she was hit

Let’s have a smart day today

[eternal talon]

not a drop of blood in this image btw

[hallow surge]

Holy tracking demon

[hallow surge]

??

😭??

[eternal talon]

ur saying she was nerfed by doumas bda

but ur saying she was faster when nerfed

but when shes getting sliced shes slower

what???

[hallow surge]

Because she was death amped when she did hundred legged zigzag

Not when Douma did that fatal cut

Which is when she was nerfed

[eternal talon]

that wasnt the zigzag

in the image u showed

where douma said i cant read it

even though she was supposedly "nerfed"

good try tho

[hallow surge]

This was zigzag

Douma cutting Shinobu was when she was nerfed

The strongest tracking skill of a Tengen fan

[eternal talon]

nerfed but her attack did 0 damage

great

[hallow surge]

??

[eternal talon]

can we go back to the part

where u said shes stronger than marked muichiro

cuz that needs going over

[hallow surge]

Sure whatever

[eternal talon]

ur comparing a guy who soloed upper rank 5 btw

[hallow surge]

Do you think Marked Muichiro can do the same thing Shinobu did against Douma

[eternal talon]

to shinobu

[eternal talon]

i think hes doing more

[hallow surge]

Yeah majority of pillars post HTA do this

[hallow surge]

Yeah prove that

[eternal talon]

shinbou didnt participate

lol

[hallow surge]

Okay

[eternal talon]

soloed upper moon 5

?

[hallow surge]

She’s still stronger

[eternal talon]

than marked muichiro?

youve lost ur mind

[hallow surge]

Is Gyokko on par with Douma at all

[eternal talon]

no

but shinbous greatest feat

was getting mauled

by douma

shinobu aint making it out the water bubble

[hallow surge]

So why is him soloing Gyokko=Doing anything to Douma

[eternal talon]

lets get things straight

[hallow surge]

Other pillars can do the same

[eternal talon]

they cant unmarked

maybe sanemi and gyomei

obviously

[hallow surge]

Base Mitsuri humiliates Gyokko

[eternal talon]

and giyuu at a push

[eternal talon]

UR OUT OF UR MIND

THIS HAS TO BE RAGEBAIT

[hallow surge]

Base Giyuu also humiliates Gyokko

[eternal talon]

r u one of those people that think gyutaro is stronger than gyokko

[hallow surge]

Base Iguro, Sanemi and Gyomei absolutely decimate him

[hallow surge]

No

They one shot Gyuatro as well

[eternal talon]

call it a day man

youve been smoking something

does mitsuri solo gyutaro unmarked?

[hallow surge]

Yeah the Gyutaro that couldn’t beat a poisoned one arm Tengen is going to beat people who can keep up with Akaza

😂

[eternal talon]

oh yeah giyuu and above

and obanai

i think so

when we start going below muchiro

[hallow surge]

Obviously

[eternal talon]

is when we pushing it

[eternal talon]

she FUCKING doesnt

how

[hallow surge]

Base Mitsuri>Tengen=<Gyutaro

[eternal talon]

pls tell me

[eternal talon]

uh

buddy

[hallow surge]

Overwhelmed Zohakuten, Stated to be faster than Tengen, stronger than SSVA Marked Tanjiro

[eternal talon]

stated where

sorry

mitsuri marked got chomped the wood dragon and nearly died?

[hallow surge]

Yeah when she was tired and exhausted

[bronze coyote]

no way you brought out actual proof

am i

dreaming

😮

[eternal talon]

hey one question

is base shinobu stronger than marked muichiro?

last ping

[hallow surge]

She is

[eternal talon]

ask her pls

i think she blocked me

[hallow surge]

Marked Mui scales unquantifiably above UPM5

[eternal talon]

where does shinobu scale

akaza?

[hallow surge]

And below Base Sanemi

[hallow surge]

In terms of stats she’s at least relative to Douma or faster but I don’t think she has a wincon to beating UPM 1-3

[eternal talon]

"relative to douma"

[bronze coyote]

my opinion on shinobu is that in hashira 1v1s she beats alot of them but against demons no shes worse

[eternal talon]

can we wrap it up pls

[hallow surge]

^

[eternal talon]

we comparing against demons here

[bronze coyote]

i mean marked muichiro has

horrible

feats

.

[eternal talon]

compared to shinobu?

[bronze coyote]

yes..

[hallow surge]

Translation of 2nd image: # -
A technique that surprises the opponent with a single thrust. The thrust is so fast that an Upper Rank demons could not stop it with his hands.

[eternal talon]

i think hes the only person to beat an upper moon on his own?

[bronze coyote]

not on his own

[eternal talon]

what?

im pretty sure the kid was there

[hallow surge]

Literally any pillar that isn’t named Tengen can do this against Gyokko

[eternal talon]

for fucking emotional support

[eternal talon]

OXYGEN

ARE WE SERIOUS????

[bronze coyote]

for a slayer oxygen is their primary source of power..

??

[hallow surge]

Eh

[bronze coyote]

if he didnt give him oxygen muichiro wouldve died

[eternal talon]

i dont see him getting a sword and pulling up

[bronze coyote]

muichiro wouldve drowned

why are we talking abt muichiro

???

[hallow surge]

Muichiro did beat him single-handedly and obviously still scales above Gyokko

[eternal talon]

cuz hes saying shinobu is stronger then marked muichiro

for some reason

[hallow surge]

Yeah you haven’t brought any evidence to support why u disagree

[bronze coyote]

then why dont you bring out proof its not true?

[hallow surge]

Instead trying to triangulate the debate

[bronze coyote]

everything said while debating has to proven

[eternal talon]

he beat an upper moon and decapitated him

thats my point

[bronze coyote]

you cant take another persons word as proof

[eternal talon]

we all fucking saw it

[bronze coyote]

kanao decapitated douma

[eternal talon]

sorry im not boosting the server to be pulling out image

[bronze coyote]

is kanao stronger than every hashira??

[hallow surge]

Shinobu shows feats above this

[hallow surge]

😂

[eternal talon]

cuz he had 20litres of fucking posion in his body what?

[eternal talon]

spider sister

was her only kill

[hallow surge]

Like once again

[eternal talon]

relax bud

[heady nacelle]

What we talking about this

[hallow surge]

Ok

So

[eternal talon]

he said marked muchiro weaker than shinobu

[dusky roost]

zonify You’ve Reached Level 4

[eternal talon]

hes out of his mind

[hallow surge]

Do we scale pillars of how many demons they killed now

[heady nacelle]

Ohhh you’re talking to HIM

Don’t waste your time man ;-;

[eternal talon]

is it like arguing with a wall?

[hallow surge]

Cipher ducking me

[eternal talon]

what was ur debate about

[bronze coyote]

dont bother they are both ragebaiters let them argue

[hallow surge]

Yeah are you going to continue triangulation or prove anything

[eternal talon]

shinobu got reked by douma

[heady nacelle]

Zonify a rage baiter?

[eternal talon]

debate over

[eternal talon]

im deadass not rage baiting

[hallow surge]

Kokushibo slammed Muichiro

[eternal talon]

she died???

what

[hallow surge]

OMG GUYS

[bronze coyote]

"only feat beating the spider sister"

[heady nacelle]

Ohh

[hallow surge]

Muichiro died against Kokushibo

[eternal talon]

ok that was ragebait

[hallow surge]

Rengoku died against Akaza

🥺🥺

[eternal talon]

kokushibo is miles stronger than douma

[heady nacelle]

So it’s like two walls talking to each other but they’re both ACTUALLY responding?

[bronze coyote]

yes!

isnt that

[hallow surge]

And Douma is miles above Gyokko yet you’re acting as if defeating Gyokko means you can go toe to toe with Douma?😂

[bronze coyote]

fun

and entertaining

[heady nacelle]

I wanna watch

[bronze coyote]

like the district of season 2

[eternal talon]

shinobu landed one attack?

[hallow surge]

She landed 8

😭

[eternal talon]

u counted?

show me each hit

pls

[hallow surge]

Yes

[heady nacelle]

Nvm I gtg :(

[eternal talon]

wood on the floor doesnt count btw

[bronze coyote]

you can read later!

[heady nacelle]

🥹 🙏

[bronze coyote]

❤️

[eternal talon]

ah yes the hits where he was begging for poision to be put in his system

[hallow surge]

Wasn’t begging for it. Also Anime shows he went on defensive against her

He just said I wonder if the next poison will work

[eternal talon]

a little poke here and lil poke there ahh

hows she gonna kill gyutaro btw

[hallow surge]

Also the first strike he didn’t know she had poison so

[bronze coyote]

blitz his ass

[eternal talon]

her poision aint working for shit if she aint prepped

[hallow surge]

^

[eternal talon]

little jabbs

cant wait for those to kill him

[bronze coyote]

i dont agree shinobus speed is THAT good like the eboy says but she definetely blitzes both gyutaro and daki

spider sister situation

[eternal talon]

i dont think her poision kills them

[hallow surge]

Gyuatro was so weakened by wisteria poison Tanjiro’s headbutt could affect him and was pinned to the ground by a Tanjiro with broken fingers

[dusky roost]

sunflower.sequel You’ve Reached Level 8

[eternal talon]

maybe daki

and rembember

[bronze coyote]

does gyutaro have any poison feat to say this

[eternal talon]

they both need to die

[eternal talon]

weakened not dead

whats shinobu gonna do after hes weakened

[hallow surge]

I think UPM 6-4 lack any regeneration feats to show they can break down Shinobu’s poison

[eternal talon]

decapitate her?

[eternal talon]

this is purely hypothetical

thats ur point

[hallow surge]

Shinobu’s poison is miles stronger than Kunai poison

[eternal talon]

u dont know if her posion affects the upper moons

[hallow surge]

She can kill him by striking to his neck and we saw it was strong enough to knock Douma out

[eternal talon]

ur just using theoreticals to overhype shinobu

[eternal talon]

i remember the show saying u gotta "decapitate" a demon to kill it

[hallow surge]

If she can do that to Douma then Gyu is getting turned to purple slime

[eternal talon]

its good bro

just rewatch the show

[hallow surge]

?

Shinobu’s poison can kill demons

So what’s this argument

[eternal talon]

i dont think where the strike lands determines where the posion goes

please analyse how shinbous posion works on the anatomy of demons

please

demon slayer doctor

[hallow surge]

Shinobu stated a strike to the neck with the poison is dangerous

And it’s blatantly shown because Douma was knocked out because of it

[tame rampart]

not worth rewatching trash

[bronze coyote]

the kunai had like 5-10 milimiters of weak wisteria poison meanwhile the poison shinobu used against douma made him cough up blood they are definetely dying to shinobus poison

[eternal talon]

cuz she prepped bro whats ur point?

she prepared for that fight

by upping the posion

[bronze coyote]

she also prepped to kill the spider sister does that mean shinobu loses to spider sister?? hello

[eternal talon]

she didnt go out of here way

[bronze coyote]

when debating you use the strongest versions of characters

not weakest

[eternal talon]

we dont know if he strongest posion is wiping the moons of the earth then

its purley hypothetical

[hallow surge]

And we are proving evidence to why they hypothetical is plausible

[eternal talon]

if they adpat to the posion

its fucking ggs for shinobu

[hallow surge]

Prove they can

[bronze coyote]

her stab to an already poison resistance douma managed to knock him out for a sec i believe its pretty fair to assume its killing someone as weak as gyutaro and daki

[eternal talon]

prove they cant

[hallow surge]

That’s ur claim

Not mine

[eternal talon]

"for a second"

[hallow surge]

Nice burden shift

[bronze coyote]

u both have to prove it

[eternal talon]

hes pulling out hypothetical situations we cant prove

wdym prove it

?

we dont fucking know if the upper moons are gonna adapt

[bronze coyote]

if the odds are more likely that hes right then we can use it as a "fact"

[hallow surge]

Prove that Gyutaro and Daki can adapt to Shinobu’s poison when Gyutaro was so affected by Kunai poison Tanjiro could headbutt him and affect him

And pin him down

[eternal talon]

was he countinously affected till the end of the fight

no???

[hallow surge]

No because he broke it down

[bronze coyote]

bc he took the kunai out also

[eternal talon]

exaclty

[hallow surge]

And he was so weakened by it Tanjiro was reacting to his attacks before he completely broke it down

[eternal talon]

is shinbou gonna leave her sword in him?

[hallow surge]

Kunai poison is not the same level of Shinobu

[eternal talon]

tanjiro nearly got a sickle to the eye

a few second later

[hallow surge]

After he completely broke it down

[eternal talon]

we dont know the difference between the two???????

this is like arguing with a wall

whatever u win bro

[hallow surge]

It’s literally stated lmao the kunai poison could only paralyze lower moons

[eternal talon]

shinobu kills gyomei marked see through world red blade ggs

[tame rampart]

you cant debate with someone who says random shit with zero reasoning

[hallow surge]

Shinobu’s poison melts demons

[hallow surge]

How do I have zero reasoning

[eternal talon]

melts muzan aswell

yup i agree

[hallow surge]

?

[eternal talon]

furthermore bro shinbou wipes the planet

i agree with u

[hallow surge]

False equivalence of doom

[eternal talon]

sunflower

[bronze coyote]

we do..

[eternal talon]

u right bro

[bronze coyote]

what

[bronze coyote]

shinobu no yaiba

[eternal talon]

One last question what’s ur hashira ranking?

[bronze coyote]

i have a question for u

do you think muichiro beats mitsuri

[eternal talon]

Yes

[bronze coyote]

🤔

whenever i thought abt mitsuri vs muichiro i forget abt his stw

bc it appeared for 1 panel

ig yes

my mind has been

illuminated

[heady nacelle]

Yes

Omg

[bronze coyote]

cipher is a fraud

[heady nacelle]

.

Watch your mouth

[bronze coyote]

have u watched the new episode

[tough jungle]

bruh

[tough jungle]

new episode?

[bronze coyote]

I was talkig abt gen V

[tough jungle]

ah

ok

muichiro lowk best hashira 😄

[bronze coyote]

Mhhh

[wise pine]

hantengu strongest uppermoon

[bronze coyote]

Hantengu no yaiba

[wise pine]

hantengu slams everyone in verse

[bronze coyote]

Yes true

He could toy with muzan but chose not to

[wise pine]

very true

[bronze coyote]

Out of respect

[wise pine]

on bro

tanjiro woudve died to him

if it wasn’t for genya

plot armour saved him

[bronze coyote]

Midjiro getting no diffed by murata

[wise pine]

preach

[bronze coyote]

[heady nacelle]

preach

[tough jungle]

mm

tokito lowk extreme diff all uppermoons

prove me wrong

[glacial wren]

onfg u guys are still going????

[tough jungle]

shinobu and douma 😔

[glacial wren]

Bruh i thought we finished this!!! Stop bringing it up sunflower

[glacial wren]

he needs to just like know when to stfu. This has been going on for days and the only progress hes made is making people just be pissed with him.

[tough jungle]

lol

[glacial wren]

mhmm

[stable abyss]

Sup

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327703482831994931/1416225071747563520/togif.gif

[tough jungle]

sup

[glacial wren]

hey

[heady nacelle]

bro..

[bronze coyote]

CIPHER IS A FRAUD!

[heady nacelle]

YO

[hallow surge]

AT FP with all amps

1. Gyomei
2. Tokito
3. Sanemi
4. Giyuu
5. Shinobu
6. Rengoku
7. Iguro
8. Mitsuri
9. Tengen

Base

1. Gyomei
2. Rengoku
3. Shinobu
4. Sanemi
5. Giyuu
6. Iguro
7. Mitsuri
8. Tengen
9. Tokito

[vestal sable]

Tomoe solos

[bronze coyote]

Mami tomoe is better

[heady nacelle]

Goodness gracious

[tame rampart]

Tomoe solos

[bronze coyote]

based on what feats is tokito 2

[dusky roost]

umidekk. You’ve Reached Level 11

[eternal talon]

[dusky roost]

zonify You’ve Reached Level 5

[hallow surge]

Mistake

Meant to put him @ 3

[bronze coyote]

based

on what feats..

[hallow surge]

Feats on Koku but if you think DA feats aren’t that relevant to scaling he can be out lower idm

[bronze coyote]

whats da

[hallow surge]

Death amped

[bronze coyote]

oh

its not rlly abt them not counting its abt the fact he got blitzed to then half dodge 1 attack and die

[eternal talon]

might be the worst ranking ive ever seen

[bronze coyote]

Whats your ranking

[eternal talon]

1.Gyomei
2.Sanemi
3.giyuu
4.obanai
5.muichiro
6.mitsuri
7.rengoku
8.uzui
9.shinobu

[bronze coyote]

Good list other than shinobu 9

[eternal talon]

Where r u putting her?

[bronze coyote]

Above bumgen

8

Tengen feats are horrible im sorry

[eternal talon]

Pls let’s not go over this again he beat upper 6 with one arm

[bronze coyote]

beat upper 6..

right right..

[eternal talon]

99% of the work

[bronze coyote]

more like 60 but yes

[eternal talon]

Uhhh give me a demon with an open neck im slicing it off

[bronze coyote]

cooler anime scene doesnt equal stronger

[eternal talon]

???

Who said anything about it being cool

It’s not even the best fight in the series

[bronze coyote]

in terms of visual it is

budget flex

[eternal talon]

Giyuu vs Akaza was better

[bronze coyote]

not visually

[eternal talon]

It was a better fight overall

[bronze coyote]

Did we forget abt this

he wouldve died if it wasnt for nezuko

[tough jungle]

goated tierlist but tokito should be 1 / 2 as well base

[bronze coyote]

base tokito got no diffed by gyokko

[tough jungle]

no base tokito goatd now put him at 1

[bronze coyote]

right

[eternal talon]

This is like me saying shinobu is a spider sister merchant

[bronze coyote]

preach!

[tough jungle]

it was the best

[bronze coyote]

except shinobu did not fight spider sister to almost die?

[eternal talon]

It’s fucking spider sister

[tough jungle]

as of now i think popularity polls say that tengen v gyutaro was the best animated

[bronze coyote]

and um6 is the weakest of the upper moons