🤬│debate

[formal mantle]

Nah we don't talk about that

😪

[devout sapphire]

we do

[formal mantle]

[vale dew]

Cause he can cut demons💀

That's why

Cutting demons is the base requirement to be a demon slayer

And she can't do that

That's a big difference

[tame rampart]

nah

[stiff iron]

I don't blame you lmao

[stiff iron]

It's not a base requirement
Shinobu became a hashira without it

After all the information I've gathered and extensive research I have a new hashira list

[vestal sable]

fentseboy You’ve Reached Level 4

[stiff iron]

90% chance I'll get jumped for it but hear me out

1. Gyomei
2. Sanemi
3. Tomioka
4. Tokito
5. Obanai
6. Shinobu
7. Rengoku
8. Mitsuri
9. Tengen

[vale dew]

bro im sorry but like

rengoku is not weaker then shinobu💀

[stiff iron]

I know I know
But hear me out
Shinobu basically would blitz him and stab his vital organs

[vale dew]

have you ever heard of blocking?

[stiff iron]

He wouldn't react or even see the attack coming

[vale dew]

rengoku is not that weak

💀

[stiff iron]

But im just telling you how'd he'd lose

I'm not saying he's weak I'm just saying he'd lose to shinobu that's all

[tame rampart]

Brother at it again

[cedar pendant]

im about to cook watch this

TOP 2 locks:
Gyomei
Sanemi

Lowk interchangeable:
Rengoku
Tomioka
Tengen

Again interchangable:
Muichiro
Obanai
Mitsuri
Shinobu

PRE Swordsmith

[vestal sable]

dawgest You’ve Reached Level 3

[cedar pendant]

oh hell yea

[stiff iron]

Wait this is actually valid

[cedar pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

I’m gonna drop my thoughts on post swordsmith and ending ranks tm, i’m way too tired to do it rn

[stiff iron]

I'll be waiting

[violet sequoia]

Tengen should be lower, Shinobu should be higher, her feats with douma is just too great to dismiss, obanai too, his efforts against Muzan was great too. Otherwise your list is good. didn’t see “PRE swordsmith” my bad.

[vale dew]

He said pre wordsmith

💀

[stiff iron]

W

id put mitsuri a bit higher doe but thats just me

but it is indeed valid

[vale dew]

I think muichiro should be right under obanai cause thay are almost in the same level

[formal mantle]

Only thing good about KFC is the chicken

Strength: mcdonalds
Speed : mcdonalds
Endurance: mcdonalds
Iq: mcdonalds
Battle iq: mcdonalds
Free point: KFC
Popularity : mcdonalds
Burgers: mcdonalds
Chicken: KFC
Drinks: they equal
Morning breakfast meals: mcdonalds

Mcdonalds > KFC

[tame rampart]

"Only good thing is the chicken" that's their whole thing 😭

[tame rampart]

Banned

[formal mantle]

Oh nah

[vestal sable]

osav_kimi You’ve Reached Level 26

[formal mantle]

I'd win

Not finna get banned for another 4 years

[barren nimbus]

yuji is kinda weak (he aint even top 10)

[real cloud]

Crazy

[stiff iron]

Never thought I'd see this

[formal mantle]

I've done the impossible

[violet sequoia]

This made me laugh

[cedar pendant]

I’m back

since this is a lil more of a hot take i’m fully open to opinions here

TOP 2 locks:

Gyomei
Sanemi

Giyu

Interchangeable(but I lean more rengoku.)

Rengoku
Obanai
Muichiro

Again interchangable:
Mitsuri
Tengen
Shinobu

END of series

Now we wait

[formal mantle]

I agree

Valid

Someone who actually knows what they're talking about for once lol

[cedar pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-absolute-cinema-gif-15085453417287561698

thank you thank you

[vale dew]

i can agree with that

[molten pebble]

🐶 💔

[molten pebble]

he kinda is

[molten pebble]

shinobu>Obanai

Obanai w/out the Mitsuri Husband is shit

[molten pebble]

you literally cant justify any of these if its pre swordsmith

☠️

[cedar pendant]

How so?

[vale dew]

No rengoku is almost at the level of base giyu

You're just glazing Shinobu at this point

[stiff iron]

you literally cant defend any of my points how is it glazing 💀

if anything you're prob glazing rengoku

[vale dew]

no

shinobu is just not stronger

im not glazing rengoku for one reason

i hate the character

but he aint weak

in his first fight he was fighting a lower moon

you cant call that weak

[stiff iron]

it wwas an uppermoon

[stiff iron]

yeah but shinobu beats him

[vale dew]

how

[vestal sable]

44266478992 You’ve Reached Level 6

[stiff iron]

unless u can tell me why she doesnt 💀

since you say he can beat her tell me why @vale dew

[vale dew]

tell me why she can beat him

ill tell you why he can beat her

one move

its called rengoku

he doesnt even need to really fight her

[stiff iron]

he wont even get a chance to use that move

she will speedblitz him

pierce and stab his organs at once

and he will die

simple

[vestal sable]

fentseboy You’ve Reached Level 5

[vale dew]

nah

recovery breathing

shinobu cant move at fucking light speed

you just glazing

she cant just "blitz" his face

you acting like she can just come to him stab his face and go

[upbeat ravine]

Rengoku esoteric art buff > shinobu

[vale dew]

she stands no chance

[upbeat ravine]

She can't speed blitz into fire

[vale dew]

real

[upbeat ravine]

She'll get burnt

[vale dew]

well not really

its not real fire

but rengoku is not weak💀

[upbeat ravine]

It's not real but the temperature is ( it burns according to akaza)

[vale dew]

he like the 6th strongest

[vale dew]

no the blade burns cuz its made out of that ore

[upbeat ravine]

And also

[vale dew]

that has some part of the sun

[upbeat ravine]

People need to consider that he wasn't at full stamina

He had to handle a whole train

[upbeat ravine]

Yes

I assume his sword is different

[vale dew]

no its just the ore its made of

[upbeat ravine]

Ya

Burns more because of his technique

[vale dew]

yes

"she would blitz his face"

he would cut her head off

💀

she is using a katana

a katana isnt used for stabbing

[upbeat ravine]

Her katana is shaped in a special way

[vale dew]

shinobu maybe killed upper two but it was because of her poison

he ate her

[vale dew]

yes but its still a katana

[upbeat ravine]

The fight was no diff

Honestly

The story is too unbalanced

For scaling

[stiff iron]

wow its gonna help so much when you literally get stabbed in the brain 💀

[upbeat ravine]

The skull is too hard for that buddy

[stiff iron]

she literally did that to doma wdym, its not glazing thats just what happens

[vale dew]

wow its gonna help you so much when your whole body is cut off

[stiff iron]

she was able to stab upper moon 2 buddy so she can obv stab through rengoku

[stiff iron]

he wont even he able to land a blow on her

[vale dew]

no she didnt stab his face and go she stabbed him AND DIED

[upbeat ravine]

You are being very inconsiderate about rengoku tbh

He was not at full stamina

[stiff iron]

ye but you can still see her combat speed is almost on par with uppermoon 2

[stiff iron]

how

[upbeat ravine]

He was handling a whole ass train

[stiff iron]

stamina wont help, he wont react anyways

[vale dew]

SHE ONLY WON CAUSE OF THE POISON

[upbeat ravine]

Yes stamina will help, its the whole root for breathing

Total concentration and recovery

[stiff iron]

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT POISON im talking about her combat abilites, poison wont work on humans anyways

[upbeat ravine]

And will therefore help his senses

[vale dew]

her combat abilities may be good but its no match for rengoku's

[upbeat ravine]

She will not be able to get close to rengoku anyways.... his defense and technique creates distance....

[vale dew]

rengoku learned how to be a demon slayer from books

[stiff iron]

HE WONT EVEN REACT TO HER WDM

[vale dew]

his first fight was with a lower moon

[stiff iron]

how

[vale dew]

.

[stiff iron]

that wont help in a fight tbh

[upbeat ravine]

He will react to her... he reacted to upm3 all the way

[stiff iron]

he may have high Iq

but shinobu is the smartest hashira

[vale dew]

bro brain doesnt really help in a fight

💀

[upbeat ravine]

Anyways...you don't even consider his abilities...

[stiff iron]

and shinobu outsped uppermoon 2

[vale dew]

it can help but you wont win only cuz you are smart

[stiff iron]

there's a difference between IQ and BIQ

[upbeat ravine]

I am pretty sure it was just once

He slammed her for the rest of the fight

With your logic

[vale dew]

yes there is a difference and rengoku has more BIQ

[upbeat ravine]

Inosuke outspeeds shinobu

[vale dew]

real

[upbeat ravine]

And we all know that isn't true

[vale dew]

inosuke is one of the physically strongest characters in the story tho

[upbeat ravine]

No

He has a very good durability

and endurance and flexibility

[vale dew]

inosuke?

[upbeat ravine]

yes

[vale dew]

inosuke moved the rock without the mark while tanjiro needed the mark to move it

[upbeat ravine]

He can manipulate his body at will

[vale dew]

yes

[upbeat ravine]

Which means he could've pushed all his muscles to his arms

[vale dew]

no💀

cuz then he would fall

[upbeat ravine]

No not all

Most

He is strong tho

But there are many more stronger

[stiff iron]

how

[stiff iron]

thats not true 💀

[upbeat ravine]

Read what I said before and after

[stiff iron]

nope numerois times

[upbeat ravine]

PROOF

[stiff iron]

Doma has literally been saying "she's fast" the entire fight

[upbeat ravine]

picture proof

[stiff iron]

And how she's the fastest hashira she's fought

I can't send pics here

[upbeat ravine]

oh ok

I didn't read since 2020 so you might have to correct me

[stiff iron]

I can give you the manga chapters if u want

[upbeat ravine]

ok

[stiff iron]

Give me a sec

It's from chapter 140-142

[molten pebble]

Douma>Akaza

[molten pebble]

he never said this. he is talking about her combat speed.

[molten pebble]

prove That tengen is as fast as Shinobu or has the reaction speed to react to any of her attacks

[molten pebble]

she can stab Tengen lmao

in the neck

in the heart

lungs

spine

and he dies

[stiff iron]

frfr

[stiff iron]

im sayin

[edgy escarp]

blocked tho

[edgy escarp]

Season 4 when he trains with the demon slayers

And fights them in the dark

hes fucking teleporting pink

you're forgetting that tengen is a shinobi bro

[edgy escarp]

akaza swipes his face off with minimal effort stop lying

[vale dew]

no💀

[edgy escarp]

he does it in the anime dumbass

he literally takes his hand out

moves it

boom his head is gone

[vale dew]

you think he didnt try?

💀

[edgy escarp]

minimal effort

low effort

however you wanna phrase it

that was casual

Imagine an all out fight

doma literally dies to shinobu of all hashira

i think akaza is good bro

[vale dew]

her poison*

[edgy escarp]

dont act like some poison does shit

[vestal sable]

koopacargo You’ve Reached Level 2

[edgy escarp]

Akaza claps doma any day

Fuck the ranking bro

[vale dew]

it did

[edgy escarp]

He died to poison

[vale dew]

yes

he ate her

[edgy escarp]

Akaza only died because he was being teamed by both plot armed characters

[formal mantle]

How

Doma literally said in the anime to kokushibou that akaza can't beat them in a fight

That's why he didn't try to dodge or evade akaza's punch

So judging off of that, it seems akaza has tried to blood battle doma or kokushibou before, but lost.

[formal mantle]

He died because he had enough

He didn't want to live his life as a demon anymore

Same thing with kokushibou

[upbeat ravine]

Shinobu mid

[stiff iron]

He incorporated his bda into the attack

Plus the rankings are there for a reason

[edgy escarp]

trash hashira

[upbeat ravine]

No she isn't

[vale dew]

no he got teamed on by the some would say second strongest demon slayer ever and the third strongest hashira

thats no plot armor

[edgy escarp]

yes ikm just expressing they are bullshit insane

[stiff iron]

What

[molten pebble]

Then Douma now later says he thought they were playing around and can dodge it if hee wanted too??

☠️ lmfao

[molten pebble]

so what? are you saying fodder slayers who cant keep up with a nerfed Tengen can react to Shinobu who Douma concedes multiple times she is faster than him???

[stiff iron]

Crazy

[edgy escarp]

I get the douma argument. My opinion on thats a little weird

But you cannot fucking say shinobu beats tengen

[formal mantle]

They're close

[stiff iron]

But she does
Extreme difficulty tho

[edgy escarp]

so cat

cap*

[real bobcat]

No she dont bruh

[inland warren]

tengen would win, not because of raw power or skill, but because of other advantages

tengen’s body is literally trained to resist poison, so shinobu would have to rely purely on stabbing him fatally enough to kill him

[barren wolf]

[inland warren]

tengen also has more range than shinobu, because he can use his chain things

and bombs

nothings stopping him from throwing every kunai and bomb in his arsenal at shinobu

[stiff iron]

thats fine, she can pierce and stab his body brutally and consectutively

[stiff iron]

and nothing stopping shinobu from dodging and reacting to those

[molten pebble]

*low

*no

[molten pebble]

Shinobu is fast enough to tag Douma multiple times and douma confirms shinobu is FASTER.
Shinobu>Douma>Gyutaro~Tengen in speed
If shinobu speed is far above Tengen, Tengen has 0 ways to block or keep up as her speed is far above.
She has the AP to harm Douma, she can stab his heart or neck and he dies

[edgy escarp]

what the fuck kind of bullshit logic is that, tengen is easilly faster than gyutaro

[stiff iron]

tell me how he lost a hand then

[edgy escarp]

OH

FUCKING BET

DEFENDING 7 PEOPLE

MISSING AN EYE

AFTER A MASSIVE EXPLOSION

"tell me how he lost a hand' come on buddy

even THEN he clutches up and matches his speed

[stiff iron]

he got help from zenitsu, tanjiro and inosuke

[edgy escarp]

He had 0 idea of zenitsu and inosukes states during that fight

[stiff iron]

clutches?? his musical score carried him

[edgy escarp]

missing an eye and surviving an entire village exploding

[stiff iron]

even so he was on par witth gytaru with musical score, that dont mean his faster than gytaru

[edgy escarp]

yes he was faster than him wtf are you smoking dude

[stiff iron]

he only lost that eye when he saved tanjiro in the 2nd part of the fight

[stiff iron]

he got outsped when gytaru came out of daki's body 💀

[edgy escarp]

can gyutaro (visually) teleport after being retired

[stiff iron]

wdym retired

[edgy escarp]

only outSPEDDING happening here is you outspedding me gang 🙏 stop lying

[edgy escarp]

after tengen retired

in season 4

he fights the demon slayers and visually teleports around them

while retired

gyutaro was not teleporting

[stiff iron]

bro watch the damn clip again, gytaru reacted to tengen's attack while HE WAS COMING OUT OF DAKI's body

[long ridge]

There is currently no release date for Hinokami. #❓│faq

[edgy escarp]

hes nimble but no ninja

[stiff iron]

visually

[edgy escarp]

oh my god if someone visually teleports around they are fast as fuck

[stiff iron]

plus he's the fastest hashira IN RUNNING SPEEd

[stiff iron]

even tho bro is one of the slowest hashira

[edgy escarp]

hes a ninja i think he can handle shinobu buddy

[edgy escarp]

this is just a straight lie LMAOO

[stiff iron]

he isnt even touching her 💀

[edgy escarp]

she is not as fast as you guys paint her out to be

[stiff iron]

only hashira thats slower than him is prob mitsuri

[vestal sable]

fentseboy You’ve Reached Level 6

[edgy escarp]

rengoku

[stiff iron]

SHE OUTSPEEDS UPPERMOON 2 what more do you need?

[edgy escarp]

obanai

[stiff iron]

rengoku outclasses tengen bud

[edgy escarp]

not in speed sweetheart!

[stiff iron]

the same guy who was reacting to muzan's attacks?

[edgy escarp]

tengen could but ok

[stiff iron]

you sure that wasnt displayed when he was fighting uppermoon 3?

[stiff iron]

wtf is this cope, he was BARELY reacting to gytaru's attacks

[edgy escarp]

thats not even true dude

[stiff iron]

how so?

[edgy escarp]

He matched him equally missing a hand and eye while managing several children and making sure his 3 wives were ok, he was under alot of pressure dude

ive said this dude

[stiff iron]

when he was missing a hand and an eye the only person he was "concerned" about was tanjiro

and tanjiro was the one WHO DECAPITATED GYTARU

not tengen

so tengen < gytaru

[edgy escarp]

i think you're forgetting shinobu never even fucking directly kill douma

[vestal sable]

koopacargo You’ve Reached Level 3

[edgy escarp]

douma still maulted her dumbass

she just poisoned him

[stiff iron]

out shown to outspeed him 💀

outspeeding uppermoon 2 > speed of uppermoon 6

[edgy escarp]

dude shes still weak as shit, he literally kills her

not fast enough to not fucking die

[edgy escarp]

you act like speed scales with the rank

[stiff iron]

tengen wont react to her speed, she literally pierces his skull and vital organs

and he dies

[edgy escarp]

could have their rank because of sheer strength or speed

thats my gripe with you dude

you arent budging on your incorrect argument

[stiff iron]

there are other factors, but speed is rlly important

either way shinobu claps tengen

[edgy escarp]

no

no she does not

[stiff iron]

yea

[edgy escarp]

she fails to even kill the upper 2 you seem to keep loving to bring into the argument

[stiff iron]

she does

[edgy escarp]

she literally uses poison on him

then fucking dies before it even kills him

to his hand

[stiff iron]

and tengen fails to kill uppermoon 6

the lowest ranking

he needed help of 4 other ppl

[edgy escarp]

dude must i bring up the conditions he was in for the third time

[stiff iron]

even so she got praised, and even caught him offguard

[stiff iron]

Even before he gets into those conditions

he was barely keeping up with upper moon 6

and got help from tanjiro

[edgy escarp]

There were 2 demons

2 upper sixes

He was caught off guard because he had no idea a demon would just crawl out the bitches neck

[stiff iron]

the fact that one of them was so weak that she was lowermoon level

[stiff iron]

even after this fact inosuke and zenitsu were handling her, and tengen needed assistance from tanjiro

[edgy escarp]

HE NEEDED ASSISTANCE TO BEHEAD HIM IN THE CONDITIONS I BRANG UP THREE TIMES

[stiff iron]

HE WASNT EVEN IN THOSE CONDITIONS AT THAT TIME

plus when we went 1 on 1 with gytaru, he got himself into those conditions bc of his incompetence

[edgy escarp]

you just said zenitsu and inosuke was handling her

i assume you refer to godlike speed scene

[stiff iron]

no

before tengen lost his hand

[edgy escarp]

he was doing it with ease dude did you not see the scene

and why do you keep bring tanjiro up

he was only 'assisting' him to behead him

he fought him really well alone , the conditions just required him to have someone behead him

WAIT

NO

HE WAS LITERALLY INFECTED WITH POISON NO?

HE WAS FIGHTING OFF FUCKING POISON WHILE DOING ALL OF THIS SHIT

nah dude you're insane

nah

[stiff iron]

he literally blocked one of gytaru's attacks that otherwise would've hit tengen

[edgy escarp]

get out

[stiff iron]

bro cant even deflect my points

like

[edgy escarp]

nah

nah

are you being fr

[stiff iron]

stop glazing tengen and admit he is the weakest

[edgy escarp]

missing a hand and eye while managing 4 children and making sure his 3 wives were ok while fighting off literal poison after surviving a massive explosion

and he still equally fights the upper 6

only just needing someone to behead him

[edgy escarp]

STOP GLAZING FUCKING SHINOBU DAWG SHES WEAK AS SHIT

[stiff iron]

u keep saying the same thing

BUT FINE LETS SAY

[edgy escarp]

BECAUSE ITS LITERALLY TRUE

[stiff iron]

he's equivlelent to uppermoon 6

[edgy escarp]

dude

im arguing more than that

hes stronger dude

faster

[stiff iron]

💀

how do u get to that conclusion

when

[edgy escarp]

you're literally saying fucking shinobu beats uzui

[stiff iron]

HE GETS ASSISTANCE, even from his wives. you even say he "protects" them, but they HELP HIM TOO

[edgy escarp]

she cant even behead a demon dude

[stiff iron]

he wouldve have gotten to that stage without them

[stiff iron]

she doesnt even need to strength

she literally has speed, piosion, iq, etc.

she literally outclasses tengen in everything but strength

[edgy escarp]

uzui , a 6'6 97kg SHINOBI dual wielding CLEAVES with explosives and shurikens at the ready
vs some skinny girl with poison on her bladeless sword

makes sense dawg

[stiff iron]

shi dont blame me she beats him, blame it on the creator for making her smart, quick and being able to solo tengen

she literally pierces through his body with ease

bro wont even react to it

[edgy escarp]

IQ has nothing to do with uzui latching onto the bitch as soon as she stabs him, sticking a bomb down her gullet, and beheading her

lmao

hes shown to be able to fight poison so tf is that boutta do lmao

[stiff iron]

lmao assuming he would even latch onto her, HE WONT PERCEIVE SHI

[edgy escarp]

what are you smoking dude he can SEE HER coming dude

[stiff iron]

her thrust power dominates through his body and organs at once

[edgy escarp]

you cant seriously argue shes massively faster than light dude thats just untrue

[stiff iron]

if she can outspeed uppermoon 2, what makes you think he would see her coming?

[edgy escarp]

he wouldnt

sure

lets say that

he can still fucking KNOW WHEN HES STAB AND REACT IMMEDTIATLEY

sorry bad spell

[stiff iron]

im saying she outspeed upper 2, and tengen is "faster" than uppmer 6. he wont react to her

UPPERMOOn 2 and 6 AND LEAGUES APART

[stiff iron]

wow it'll help if you can react to being stabbed in the heart, brain, etc.

before she swiftly dashes out

[edgy escarp]

hes a literal shinobi

she isnt not getting out befor he grabs her

that sounded weird

he is canonically the 2nd strongest hashira physically so she isnt escaping that

Jeez dude he can crush her skull with his palms with enough force

[stiff iron]

shinobuidoesnt mean anything if u can only outcombat uppermoon 6, and the person you're fighting can outspeed uppermoon 2

[stiff iron]

fr

[stiff iron]

like i said before, he aint touching her

[edgy escarp]

yes he is dude

his reaction time is

really fucking good

he is a ninja

[stiff iron]

he only reacts to uppermoon 6

shinobu reacted to uppermoon 2

the gap is masssive

[molten pebble]

??? Gyutao was easily keeping up with his speed at base he tagged him and thats why he got poisoned?? regardless they are relative so

[edgy escarp]

back

[vestal sable]

koopacargo You’ve Reached Level 4

[molten pebble]

literally every pillar can do this

[edgy escarp]

no but this was about him calling gyutaro faster than uzui

[molten pebble]

this literally means nothing

[edgy escarp]

is gyutaro a pillar

[molten pebble]

then you are simply being ignorant

[molten pebble]

Rengoku is faster than him by miles

[stiff iron]

lmao

[molten pebble]

ignorant again

[edgy escarp]

thats just straight bullshit

you lying out of your ass there

[molten pebble]

i dont care they are relative in speed. Gyutaro can tag him and react to his attacks

[edgy escarp]

GYUTARO IS THE FUCKING DEAD ONE DAWG

[molten pebble]

He can keep up with an Amped Akaza speed

[molten pebble]

???

ok

likw what

[edgy escarp]

i've argued my point strong enough

[molten pebble]

and tenegn is the disabled one against the weakest uppermoon

[molten pebble]

no ur entire arg is u being ignorant

😭

[edgy escarp]

the audacity to call ME ignorant after i literally stated 5 times the conditions uzui was in

[molten pebble]

ur still ignorant because u refuse to refute that shinobu is faster than tengen

all of those conditions uzui was in does not lower his reaction time

when he was in the room, gyutaro only attacked him, not the other people

he still got tagged and was poisoned by Gyutaro.

Gyutaro dodges his attack while he was coming out off daki

[long ridge]

There is currently no release date for Hinokami. #❓│faq

[edgy escarp]

i have a question before i even attempt to refute ti

this*

who wins, shinobu or gyomei

[molten pebble]

gyomei

?

[edgy escarp]

alright

explain the different between uzui and gyomei here

in that fight

[molten pebble]

gyomei has feats on Kokushibo who is miles above Gyutaro in speed and stats. Multiple statements of him being the strongest.

Tengen is relative to gyutaro

i dont know what ur trying to get at here lmao

[edgy escarp]

alright no im just trying to see your like

mindset there before i go here

ok so

let me break this down to you

uzui is immune to poison

[molten pebble]

omg!!!

[edgy escarp]

his swords are extremely explosive

even a clash of their swords would kill shinobu

[molten pebble]

its not like shinobu can stab his neck or heart and he dies!

[edgy escarp]

its ignorant to say uzui cant just do a move similar to the first one douma lands on shinobu with his blades

[molten pebble]

oh too bad that wont happen since shinobu is like faster and kills him before anything happens

[molten pebble]

its not. Uzui isnt as fast as Douma.

once again

Shinobu>Douma>>>>>>>Gyutaro~Tengen

[edgy escarp]

thats assuming the battlefield is like a bedroom and not some kind of actual open fighting area

even if his blade

[molten pebble]

that wont change anything sir

[edgy escarp]

SLICES HER CLOAK

[molten pebble]

too slow

can you

[edgy escarp]

she loses her entire back

[molten pebble]

prove that Uzui is as fast as Shinobu im still waiting ur just saying random claims w/out any evidence

dot dot dot

[stiff iron]

damn

[edgy escarp]

he is not as fast as shinobu but he can atleast lift his arm before she FUCKING REACHES HIM

why are you acting like tengen is a snail and shinobu is literal lightspeed

[stiff iron]

combat speed of uppermoon 2 and uppermoon 6 are realms apart

[edgy escarp]

dawg

i think tengen can lift his arm

well it depends on how far they are apart dude

[stiff iron]

doesnt rlly matter, its not like he'll get an attack off of her

[edgy escarp]

because if they are like 6ft then yeah uzui loses his brain, but even then he can fling his arm some upward momentum and blow her up when she has to pull the blade back

[edgy escarp]

dude

its beyond him landing an attack

if his blade hits something

there is an explosion

if her blade slides along him in her strong thrust

she is being blown to bits

uzui is losing some flesh and catching flame

[stiff iron]

she easily pulls her blade back, plus to "blow her up" he'll have to use his breathing style which would take more time to use

and uzui loses most of his organs by then

and why would he just be swinging his blades up for?

[edgy escarp]

no

no he does not need to use his breathing

[stiff iron]

of u say explode, then he does, that's literally what his breathing kinda does

[edgy escarp]

"Nobody knows how they work, those who have recieved a blow from them have never survived. These swords have an unbelievable explosive strength"

Dont try to twist this shit, this is proved to directly mean his swords explode on impact.

demonwise, shinobu can fight leagues higher

but humanwise, shinobu just isnt doing shit.

[molten pebble]

blah blah

[edgy escarp]

To make sure he can get an explosion

[molten pebble]

u alr conceded

[edgy escarp]

he knows his weapons i thin kdude

[molten pebble]

that shinobu is faster

[edgy escarp]

and? he still mercs the fuck out of her

[molten pebble]

so she blitzes and one taps

[molten pebble]

another claim w/out evidence omg!

[edgy escarp]

dude

i literally explained what he could do to utilize a feature of his blades i GAVE EVIDENCE FOR

[stiff iron]

who tf said this, some random demon? explosive strength and still relate to his breathing

[molten pebble]

yeah prove he now gets the chance to do any of this before shinobu stabs him in the neck or brain and he dies

💔

[edgy escarp]

give me some time to find the exact page and context of this one panel i refrence

[edgy escarp]

responding in a min refuting fentse

[stiff iron]

i dont even gotta do anything, her arguement is enough to shutdown whatever you're saying

literally he isnt gonna do shi before she would blitz him

[edgy escarp]

last time i checked she isnt god. uzui can move his arm just a little high to get their blades to tread

and so what, she hits him, with my 'arm fling up' argument, shes gonna die first.

shes said to be extremely weak

[edgy escarp]

nah i cant find the page but its just narrator shit its literally a fact about his sword

he doesnt need to use his breathing for that dude

[stiff iron]

whats that gonna do? not explode bc he needs to use his breathing technique to do that. she already would blitz and kill him

[edgy escarp]

no he does not dude holy shit

[stiff iron]

we have never seen him literaly tap his swords and the area explodes

[edgy escarp]

i can send you the PANEL

i dont have the page dude

[stiff iron]

go ahead and send the panel

[edgy escarp]

i dont have image perms but im dming you the panel right now

@stiff iron

sent

[stiff iron]

ye i saw it

[edgy escarp]

i wish i could find the actual page but i got no clue man

[stiff iron]

that no one has survived it, isnt supposed to be taken literally. and what gives them those explosive strength is his BREATHING TECHNIQUE

bc he has never tapped his swords together and they explode

[edgy escarp]

dude

you are literally just twisting the authors words now

[stiff iron]

im saying what is shown

[edgy escarp]

and i think they are being serious dude, its just that he hasnt fought with the blades, struck and ever lost.

[edgy escarp]

quite literally cannot decide how vague MAGIC works, fentse

[stiff iron]

yeah well he's still losing to shinobu

[edgy escarp]

thats not how this debate works

[stiff iron]

wdym magic?

[edgy escarp]

i say magic as like

[vestal sable]

koopacargo You’ve Reached Level 5

[edgy escarp]

a joke about how random the swords power is

[stiff iron]

where did that come from?

[edgy escarp]

its just an unexplainable ability

im calling it magic comedically

[stiff iron]

i rlly dont see how this is revelant

[edgy escarp]

i put it in caps to emphasise my use of the word, sorry for confusion there

[vestal sable]

fentseboy You’ve Reached Level 7

[stiff iron]

okay... well

im just wondering

[edgy escarp]

its because you tried to dictate when and how his explosive blades work

when its literally just stated to explode on impact

vague as ever

[stiff iron]

you're saying that if tengen taps his blades togther, they will explode?

[edgy escarp]

nope. author says that, but it seems they dont. so we can conclude the blades just dont explode on eachother

blame the author for making such a weird ability

because its not breathing

the author explicitly states that

by saying 'nobody knows how it works'

[stiff iron]

yeah, we coild say that

[edgy escarp]

when demons and slayers both know what a breathing tech is

so it isnt a breathing tech

[stiff iron]

exactly

[edgy escarp]

no that proves that it cant be the product of sound breathing

because then it wouldnt be 'nobody knows how it works'

because you would know

[stiff iron]

then how come we never see that happening?

we only see explosions fro breathing techniques and bdas

[edgy escarp]

what

[stiff iron]

im tryna say

[edgy escarp]

yeah nah he just never uses it in combat for no reason

wait no

when uzui and gyutaro clas

clash*

half of the entire fight is concealed by explosions

go back and rewatch the scene or look at the manga

[stiff iron]

because he has shuriekens

and bombs

he uses those in fights

[edgy escarp]

well then yeah no i dunno why the author just refuses to employ that in his combat

[stiff iron]

maybe because it isnt true???

[edgy escarp]

guess his swordsmith just didnt feel like adding that on that sword rollout?? dude i dont know thats the author just adding an ability then not using it

it is true dude wtf are you on the author literally says it

[stiff iron]

its not the first time where the author makes an incorrect / confsuing statement tbh

[edgy escarp]

and disproves it being a breathing technique

[stiff iron]

that wasnt disproved

either way

[edgy escarp]

dudei t was

[edgy escarp]

this messages herwe

[stiff iron]

tengen cant do any of these things before shinobu would blitz him

[edgy escarp]

you are calling tengen slow for no apparent reason

you know when gyutaro is going in to kill tanjiro

post explosion

[stiff iron]

i never called him slow, shinobu is just leagues faster than him

[edgy escarp]

right?

[stiff iron]

yea

[edgy escarp]

im asking if you remember this part

ok

remember how tengen

sword in mouth

[stiff iron]

yea

[edgy escarp]

blocks this as his sickle is like 2-4 inches away from tanjiros face

he can move fairly fast .

fast enough to atleast throw up a block

he has immaculate battle sense.

[stiff iron]

yea

[stiff iron]

no

he wouldnt react to the attack

[edgy escarp]

Well thats just where we differ

you underestimate his battle sense

and reflexes

[stiff iron]

battle sense isnt mean reaction speed

[edgy escarp]

yeah nah

im tryna say senses

i js realised im using the wrong term in that statment mb

[stiff iron]

you can only display reflexes if you can perceive attacks or the opponent

how tf are u gonna dodge what u cant see

[edgy escarp]

He

ok dude im getting tired of this

[stiff iron]

and im getting tired of you saying the same things, as if its gonna change anything

tengen wont react

see

[edgy escarp]

we've been going for an hour in a circle

[edgy escarp]

you're saying the same things too

its a circle

'he can do this'

'but he has this'

'but this is stronger'

'no its not'

'fine but he can do this still see'

repeat

[stiff iron]

and you make up some claim thats gonna actually determine the battle 😭

and the loop keeps going

well

im assuming your opinion or outcome of the fight hasnt changed

[edgy escarp]

i give up with you dude he has reaction speed and more years of tracking opponents than shinobu does moving fast

but you arent budgin

and nobody is

[stiff iron]

yea

[edgy escarp]

just call it at undecided i wanna go respond to my pings lmao

[stiff iron]

bc i even have BEEN SAYING

[edgy escarp]

nah dude

just

[stiff iron]

ye

i cant anymore

[edgy escarp]

hold your opinion

lmao

[stiff iron]

for some reason

[edgy escarp]

hey i mean you were actually fucking respectable

[stiff iron]

likewise

[edgy escarp]

the pink guy was seeing me get arguments

and like

'ermm im waiting dot dot dot'

you were chill

later bro

[stiff iron]

later

[molten pebble]

wont be fast enough to do that. so idrc

[edgy escarp]

gang

its been half an hour go away

you are annoying as fuck

[molten pebble]

🐶 💔

IJBOL

next

time to stroke it

[inland warren]

i don’t think she’s gonna enjoy it when he throws himself with his projectiles tho

[inland warren]

pardon? 💀

[vale dew]

Tengen will react

You really think Shinobu could beat upper 6?

Tengen was on par with him while missing an arm and heavily poisoned

He is also very skilled with his weapon

He can hold it and use it with just the tip of his finger

Tengen is also a shinobi

Shinobu just has no way of winning

She won't even move and her arm would be cut off

Or her head

I don't think Shinobu can see in smoke

[glad lodge]

Omgosh pls use your brain for once shinobu is SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER than tengen she reacted to douma. douma himself said he couldn’t read or see shinobu attacks and this is consistent as shinobu attacked douma multiple times we know douma wasn’t “holding back” because it’s stated he got speed blitzed and he said himself he couldn’t do anything about it shinobu attacks with this knowledge shinobu will literally perception speed blitz gyutaro AND tengen at the same time “skill” “weapon” “battle sense” or “shinobi” doesn’t matter when speed is the main important aspect in battle narratively

Let’s not forget shinobu slammed douma in the ceiling making him pass out

[molten pebble]

FATE OMG WTF

ITS ME

🌻

[glad lodge]

Oh heyy

Oh..

[stiff iron]

@vale dew

[stiff iron]

I don't think he's even gonna get a chance to do that

[vale dew]

he will

she is fast but he isnt that slow

he also got really good reflexes

[upbeat ravine]

still debating on shinobu>

she is not that strong really

she is fast and agile but thats just about it

and shes very intelligent

rengoku slams tho

[vestal sable]

zoropium050599 You’ve Reached Level 35

[upbeat ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/200-gif-20946918

[stiff iron]

Reflexes won't help him here
He can't just get carried on that
She would blitz him before he would do anything

[formal mantle]

He didn't pass out once

Stop making assumptions and read the manga

He was just shocked

That's also what led to her death, douma was having fun but was surprised she was that fast bc of how small her body is

He fights harder against kanao and inosuke

Even if shinobu is faster than gyutaro or tengen, she'll still die whilst fighting gyutaro

It's relatively close between shinobu and tengen

[pallid flame]

yes

[vestal sable]

plxxnq You’ve Reached Level 3

[vale dew]

no

she needs to cut both their heads off

she cant even cut a normal demon's head

[pallid flame]

wouldnt wisteria be an alternative though? it is deadly to demons after all

and up 6 seems to take more effects than

up 2

obviously

[vale dew]

no i dont really think she can win...

[vestal sable]

44266478992 You’ve Reached Level 7

[vale dew]

they both have range

[pallid flame]

she got speed bit

but*

i dont think she can win a 2v1

[vale dew]

like i dont even know if she can kill daki cuz she wont be able to reach her

[vale dew]

real

[pallid flame]

maybe w tanjiro or one more member

she wins

[vale dew]

yes cuz he can cut stuff

[pallid flame]

naur she definitely can

daki is so weak dawg 😭😭

[vale dew]

but the thing is that tengen saved tenjiro so many times in that fight but i dont think she will be able to

[pallid flame]

lets not underestimate shinobu

[vale dew]

not that weak

7 hashiras

[pallid flame]

just bc shes the weakest hashira doesnt mean shes weak

shed most likely struggle with gyutaro but w daki

nope

[vale dew]

she cant cut tho

[pallid flame]

dawg she got wisteria ;-;.

[vale dew]

daki can shield herself with her bda

[pallid flame]

weve seen its effects

[vale dew]

and she just wont be able to cut threw it

[pallid flame]

correct me if im wrong but wasnt doumas head dissolving when he ate shinobu

bc she was filled with wisteria as we know

[pallid flame]

true but not if shinobu speed blitzes her

which she will

[vale dew]

i think it was the new poison tho

[pallid flame]

what new poison-

[vale dew]

every form is a different type of poison

that was her strongest i think

[pallid flame]

eh

all i know is that she had gallons of wisteria in her body

[vale dew]

dont catch me on this cuz im not sure but i think it was the poison she made with tamayo

i think

im not sure

[pallid flame]

nope i remember it being wisteria

the poison was for muzan

regardless, she speed blitzes daki

[vale dew]

oh ye true

[vale dew]

the thing is

daki can fly...

[pallid flame]

true

i dont think she'd be smart enough to use it to her advantage..

[vale dew]

ye

[pallid flame]

shinobu can jump really high so i dont think its that big of a struggle

[vale dew]

i just dont think shinobu would be the "weakest" hashira if she is that strong

like i think her poison is strong

not her

[pallid flame]

i mean shes rlly fast aswell

obvi-

[vale dew]

bro she is fast

[pallid flame]

but im strengrh

ouh

[vale dew]

ok lets say

[pallid flame]

in*

[pallid flame]

well, yes!

[vale dew]

she may be fast

but the other hashiras are fast too

her speed is not on another level

she is just fast

[pallid flame]

obvi but shinobu is one of the fastest

[vale dew]

yes

but also tengen

[pallid flame]

like she speed blitzed douma and even he was surprised

[pallid flame]

yes

[vale dew]

tengen is also fast

:P

[formal mantle]

Most demon slayers can jump really high

They can enhance their physical abilities through breathing

Even if it's a 1v1 against gyutaro she's getting speed blitzed

Demons can also absorb and become resistant wisteria poison if it's not potent enough.

Only way she can win is getting eaten alive by gyutaro, even then there's still daki
As a result I'll put tengen above shinobu.

People's main argument is that she was faster than doma. Ok cool, so what? Doesn't change the fact she got absolutely steam rolled and same would happen to her if she fought um5-um3

She is definitely the weakest hashira, but she is the smartest

[tame rampart]

Breathing isnt real

Just a fragment of their imagination

[stiff iron]

to be fair here, shinobu inhaled doma's ice air which also led her to dying faster. Inosuke and kanao were told not to inhale the air, making them fight longer

[stiff iron]

she isnt the weakest hashira it was never stated

she is the weakest hashira PHYSICALLY

only that was said about her physical strength

[stiff iron]

shinobu is MILES faster

[vale dew]

PHYSICAL STRENGTH HELPS

A LOT

[stiff iron]

you kind of contradict yourself here, you say in a 1v1 against gytaru she's getting speed blitzed. but here you say she was faster than doma. so you saying gytaru is speed blitzing doma?

she could still defeat uppermoon 6

[stiff iron]

yeah, but she doesnt rlly need it as her thrust power, intelligance and speed helps her A LOT

[molten pebble]

ok?? 😭

[molten pebble]

yes, but i dont see you saying Obanai is the second weakest???

🐶 💔

[vale dew]

there is a big gap

he can cut demons

[molten pebble]

ok

he's still physically weaker than others

[vale dew]

doesnt matter

he is more skilled then her and stronger

[molten pebble]

so now you are conceding that physical strength does not define one's overall combat power in ds

[vale dew]

i made my point i dont wanna continue with this argument

[molten pebble]

meaning your reasoning for Shinobu being the weakest is flawed and illogical

lmao

🐶 💔

[formal mantle]

No I mean speed alone doesn't say anything

Ok you're faster so what?

The outcome is she is going to do either way

To both demons

[stiff iron]

i would say she may beat gytaru

her speed and poison could kill him

[stiff iron]

bro admited defeat 😭

[formal mantle]

He can absorb poison

If its not potent enough

Like what he did when they threw Kunis at him

Shinobu's poison also didn't work on doma

She had to use 3 different poisons

Before she committed suicide

So she'll need hella amounts of poison

It's either they both die or she dies

Either way she dies, because gyutaro has poison too and she's just a human

[stiff iron]

shinobu's poison is VERY potent, with her first stab it was able to get doma on his knees and quite weakened for some time

[formal mantle]

He absorbed it

That's my point

[stiff iron]

so i wouldnt really put its poison in the range of that kunai

[formal mantle]

Doesn't really matter if it debuffed him for like 2 seconds

[stiff iron]

if doma was that affected by the poison, what do you think will happen to gytaru?

[formal mantle]

He'll get affected too obviously

Not saying he wouldn't

He'll just absorb it too

[stiff iron]

but it'll be 10x worse, probabaly killing him or putting him near death

[formal mantle]

Shinobu wasn't even sure her poison works on uppermoons

It Works

But at the same time it doesn't

You get where I'm coming from?

[stiff iron]

its not that simple, he's is very potent was even surprised doma

he'll absorb it and prob get put on the brink of death

[formal mantle]

Probably putting him near death

[stiff iron]

i guess

[formal mantle]

But you can't kill gyutaro just by poisoning him

[formal mantle]

Shows you can't read ig

Gyutaro is difficult to kill

She must also poison daki too

[stiff iron]

im just saying my points, and yours arent even putting them down or debunking them

[formal mantle]

My point aren't meant to put them down or debunk them

[stiff iron]

thats not gonna be a challenge at all

[formal mantle]

This isn't a debate

It's a conversation

[stiff iron]

this channel is literally for debating

[formal mantle]

We aren't in disagreement

[formal mantle]

You think I care?

[stiff iron]

and im saying shinobu could beat uppermoon 6

[stiff iron]

then why are you even here

[formal mantle]

Not disagreeing

[stiff iron]

haven't you said gytaru could beat shinobu?

[formal mantle]

But my point is, she could beat him but at the expense of her life too

[stiff iron]

alr if you really think so

[formal mantle]

Bro gave up like a bitch

Lmao

[stiff iron]

i didnt give up

[formal mantle]

Stop cherrypicking and read everything I said

Then you'll maybe understand what in trying to say

Cuz I've read all your points

And I've understood them

[stiff iron]

you arent even reading everything im saying

[sour valley]

Guys how to play the server

[stiff iron]

what i've said is to prove your points are wrong

[sour valley]

Guys how to play the server

[formal mantle]

Yes I'm cuz I'm clearly responding to each point

Dumbass

[sour valley]

Shut up

[stiff iron]

you arent even doing that 💀

[formal mantle]

Wrong channel

Stupid ass

[formal mantle]

Yes I clearly I'm

If I'm not who's speaking to you rn?

[stiff iron]

well all im sayin is in a nutshell, shinobu would blitz gytaru stab him consectively with her poison and wouldnt die in the process

[stiff iron]

you aren getting it, you literally respond to SOME of the points i say

[formal mantle]

Crazy because even google agrees with me

[stiff iron]

bro really had to rely on google 💀

[formal mantle]

Not even google, just looking up what other people think

Not just judging it based off opinion

Try again next time

[stiff iron]

so you just going to blinding go with what other people think?

[formal mantle]

Seems everyone has similar viewpoints to me

End of debate

[stiff iron]

so is everyone lmao?

[formal mantle]

Next person

[stiff iron]

bro could barely argue against me

so ig this is what giving up looks like

[formal mantle]

Your point were trash

And rubbish

No need to debate

[stiff iron]

and u couldnt even reply to them

[formal mantle]

Pmao

I've seen better

If you need an example of a good debate look at previous conversations in this channel

Bro really thought he could join and win

[stiff iron]

yea you clearly just dont have the capacity to take in the view point and just go with what people have a similar view on with you

[formal mantle]

Side eye

Pure yap

[stiff iron]

yea ok bud

[formal mantle]

"Yea ok bud"

Bro lost

Lol

Funny ash

[stiff iron]

you just ignoring my points prob cuz u know i won]

[formal mantle]

Won what?

[stiff iron]

U GAVE UP LMAO

[formal mantle]

Nothing?

Well done for winning nothing

[stiff iron]

u literally called it quits

[formal mantle]

You need a round of applause

[stiff iron]

💀

[formal mantle]

👏

[stiff iron]

didnt ask for it

[formal mantle]

"I won" my asss

[stiff iron]

yea im saying what happened

[formal mantle]

Never said you weren't

Why is bro yapping

[stiff iron]

yo why is this bum still talking to me

its over