🤬│debate

[nocturne gull]

I was talking about goku

I think u misunderstood there

I mean he is a gag character lol

YES I AGREE

Goku is fastee stronger and everythinf else

Without hax saiki is like city level fodder

Also saiki knows about the dbz verse he mentions vegetas name

And goku definetly doesnt know about saiki k

And yeee he can chanhe his own dna

Can make himsrlf durable.

Idk by how.much

He is a gag character tho so ye

[haughty vector]

Goku is a universe level

[vestal sable]

But does he goku

Who is saiki

?

[nocturne gull]

Debating with 'goku solos'

[dark falcon]

Akaza is the most sped art

[cunning jasper]

What's wrong with it

It's a normal and balanced art in game mode and priv servers

[dark falcon]

🤖

akaza has one combo that is inf bro

Yall just spam barrage

[cunning jasper]

You get hit by it

[dark falcon]

It's bad

Nah

Easy block

ngl;

[cunning jasper]

No good player loses to an akaza player he spams Y

It's easy to pb

and leaves them vulnerable to perfect blocking for a long time

I'm also not an akaza player anymore but the art is very balanced

There's also no such thing as inf combo with akaza

In what?

Why

It's very pointless to rank hashira in strength other than Gyomei, Sanemi, and Shinobu

Those are the only 3 we have actual information on in ranking

Reread the Koku fight

[somber sable]

is it possible to see how many situps ive done in dsrpg2

[cunning jasper]

Better than putting her above Iguro 💀

[whole field]

Probably the most accurate one I've seen

I feel like people underestimate Rengoku just because he lost to uppermoon 3

[cunning jasper]

It's stated he's the best swordsman in the corp

[somber sable]

nah no way

[whole field]

Well others overestimate since he "kept his ground"

[cunning jasper]

He lost to a non serious akaza

[whole field]

It's a little of both

[somber sable]

muichiro 8 is a crime he took on an uppermoon by himself

[cunning jasper]

And that's all

[somber sable]

no she doesnt

its a stereotype that weak characters are the fastest its just not true

[cunning jasper]

List your resources for that statement

[whole field]

Yeah he wasn't trying to kill him but it was obvious that he was serious after putting his hand through his stomach

[whole field]

They said base

[cunning jasper]

sounds like bullshit

And didn't hit it correct?

[somber sable]

she never killed douma herself

[cunning jasper]

He blocked them with one fan

[whole field]

Yeah with mark

[cunning jasper]

Still didn't hit his neck

[whole field]

He could hardly manage himself against uppermoon 5 without mark

[somber sable]

ye sorry didnt realise it was base

[cunning jasper]

"knocked out"

Never knew he was unconcious

[somber sable]

ik its unrelated but is there any way i can see how many situps ive done for gourd im on an alt

[cunning jasper]

Last time I checked eyes aren't a part of someone's neck

[whole field]

More like it's a stereotype that small characters are the fastest

Which makes sense

[cunning jasper]

His eyes were wide open

[somber sable]

no, i mean what i said, people normally go with the strength and durability vs speed and smarts

but i suppose shinobu is brainy and spedy

[cunning jasper]

I can't bro

you're a fucking troll

[somber sable]

fair but thats as far as she goes in terms of hashira

[cunning jasper]

no way

[somber sable]

nah she does beat tengen for sure

[cunning jasper]

So why did you put her above iguro again

Where did this come from?

You're just saying whatever you think sounds right

no evidence from the manga

Gyutaro would've killed Tengen because Tanjiro had to cut his head off

It's clear he was caught off guard

Did you forget he blitzed her even faster.

and actually hurt her

[whole field]

True

[cunning jasper]

This didn't happen until he blitzed her

[whole field]

Douma said that he couldn't keep up with her

That should be enough

[cunning jasper]

Where

[whole field]

In a panel lol

[cunning jasper]

Now you both are contradicting each other

[whole field]

How

[cunning jasper]

If he couldn't see her how did he block the hits

This makes no sense

You can even look at manga panel animations to see how the fight should be interpreted.

[whole field]

Douma also states that she is the fastest pillar he has every met

[whole field]

The people who think that also think that Tanjiro is stronger than all the hashiras so I'm not surprised

How though

I mean but like c'mon I feel like Gyomei would last longer in a one on one with Kokushibo than Tanjiro would

Although I could be wrong I don't like looking at anything related to demon slayer so I forgot much about the manga

With Hantengu or Muzan

Ah

Yeah

[vestal sable]

That's what a stupid person would say

You clearly proven that you're basically just a stupid ape

Breathing techniques are just in the animation of the anime

If it says water breathing it doesn't mean it summons water

Also you can debate me on composite Naruto Vs luffy no gear

Since 5th gear is overkill

[whole field]

The breathing techniques aren't animation it's more like visuals

[vestal sable]

Whatever

Still doesn't summon water

[whole field]

That everyone can see but not actually there

[vestal sable]

That's what every stupid Ds fan says

"water users solo op"

[whole field]

💀 WHAT

Demon slayer has some of the most weakest characters in terms of anime strength

[vestal sable]

But does he beat goku

[vestal sable]

Yes but he is not in Demon Slayer

But yes he is very stronger

[vestal sable]

But does he beat goku

[vestal sable]

Yes

No i am joking with you

A.D.M._.💥#0278 You’ve Reached Level 1

Goku is better

[vestal sable]

But does he beat goku

[haughty vector]

Have you not read the demons stats

[vestal sable]

Nah dude

Base goku solos fiction + reality

[vernal plank]

Saitama solos goku

[upbeat ravine]

I was joking with someone dumbass

[vernal plank]

Ok

[turbid beacon]

Cool

[vernal plank]

Who wants 1v1 ?

[vestal sable]

次国煉獄#0443 You’ve Reached Level 1

[atomic wave]

Bro naruto every statements ia debunked@vestal sable

[vestal sable]

I know

He is planet level at max

Luffy solos the verse

[fierce nexus]

cmon bro

youre joking right

[vestal sable]

We can debate about that

[tight wigeon]

guys guys guys

[vestal sable]

SHUT UP

Luffy outhaxes the verse

[fierce nexus]

because luffy is large country-continental

[vestal sable]

ALL OF YOU

[tight wigeon]

I wanna ask something but no one is supporting me in general

[vestal sable]

I said outhaxing

[fierce nexus]

yo

[vestal sable]

Not outscaling

We can debate about it too

[tight wigeon]

can you guys please tell me something
actually I am back like after 10 months in roblox

[fierce nexus]

i know luffy's hax

[vestal sable]

Shwef#1312 You’ve Reached Level 2

[tight wigeon]

can anyone tell me the major chs ges in Rog 2?

[fierce nexus]

still isnt enough to take on the verse

[tight wigeon]

i mean rpg

[vestal sable]

Let's debate it then

Comp naruto

Any version

Vs base luffy

[fierce nexus]

rogue demon?

[tight wigeon]

oh sounds cool , what is it btw

[fierce nexus]

if they go base to base luffy destroys hands down

[tight wigeon]

any new breathing ? like the sun or the moon

[fierce nexus]

if naruto goes kcm probably tie

[vestal sable]

No

Even brayon mode

Loses to base luffy

Lol

[fierce nexus]

what game are you talking about

[tight wigeon]

rpg 2

[fierce nexus]

explain yourself

[vestal sable]

Do you wanna debate or not ?

[fierce nexus]

they stopped updating in october i think

[tight wigeon]

okay lol , then is rpg 3 better than 2?

this is the last question

[fierce nexus]

i want an explanation

tell me how base luffy beats baryon naruto

[vestal sable]

So lets start off with ap and speed

[fierce nexus]

it looks better from the sneaks but i cant say for sure

[tight wigeon]

wait , are you guys arguing about luffy vs Naruto?

[dire horizon]

YES there will be better graphics and better breathing style looks

[fierce nexus]

ap goes to luffy
he has dura neg (ryuo)

speed naruto

[tight wigeon]

I am on naruto's side

[fierce nexus]

same

[tight wigeon]

🙂

extreme deff

[fierce nexus]

im more of a one piece fan
but im realistic

[tight wigeon]

yaa me tooo

[fierce nexus]

naruto probably gonna need so6p for gear 5 luffy

[vestal sable]

Hax and Ap : has conqueror haki . It can make anyone with no haki/weak haki fall unconscious . And it has a long range so you cant escape it . Also has ryou which destroys the enemy from inside so doesn't matter how durable your dude is
Speed : observation and rainbow haki . Can see the future + dodge attacks easily . His reaction speed is faster than Naruto but narutos travel speed is far more

Conclusion : negs naruto

[tight wigeon]

dem

[vestal sable]

If you can prove narutos resistance to haki

Then probably

[tight wigeon]

have to read this?

[vestal sable]

Yes

[fierce nexus]

conquerors haki has low effect of people with strong will as seen in marineford
when the admirals were practically unfazed from luffy's conq haki blast

[vestal sable]

Gosh

You stupid or smth

It literally states that it only can be tanked by a high haki

Not strength or anything

Admirals have haki

[fierce nexus]

naruto has no resistance to ryuo i can say for sure

[fierce nexus]

they dont have conq bro

[vestal sable]

I’m just gonna move to this channel general is weird

[vestal sable]

They have armament

Which has resistance to it

And Naruto simply doesn't have haji

[fierce nexus]

by your logic: even goku will fall to conq haki because he doesnt have haki

[vestal sable]

Well Goku is a 4D+ character

So no

[fierce nexus]

thats a half-assed explanation

[vestal sable]

And you're relying on other characters because you lost the debate

Gg

[vestal sable]

Higher dimensional being = hax wont work

[fierce nexus]

...

Naruto outscales Luffy in most categories bro

accept it

base to base luffy destroys

[vestal sable]

Lol

You couldn't prove your point

I slammed you with one scan 💀😭

[fierce nexus]

aiit then

[vestal sable]

It was my easiest debate tbh

[fierce nexus]

lets compare every significant category

im finna shut you up rq

[vestal sable]

You only win on one condition

Prove resistance to ryou and conqueror haki

If not then you lost

Which you didn't

[fierce nexus]

lets start with strength first

[vestal sable]

HAHAHHAHAA

LOOK AT THIS DUMMY

what's strength gonna do to hax ??

Goku solos

I'm talking about outhaxing not outscaling you dummy

Outhaxing . Higher ap > strength

[fierce nexus]

You can only use hax to defend luffy
its sad.

[vestal sable]

You can't even debate properly

Don't understand basic logic ?

😭💀

Okay want me to invite a judge ?

[fierce nexus]

tell me what luffy is gonna do against momoshiki

"hax"

[vestal sable]

Outhax him easily

You couldn't prove resistance to conqueror haki

[fierce nexus]

🤓

[vestal sable]

How about we go with a judge ?

?

[fierce nexus]

bring your judge

man cant win a debate on his own

[vestal sable]

It's easier to slam you that way

Court

[fierce nexus]

man only uses "hax" to defend luffy 💀

[daring valley]

Ben 10 solos all

[fierce nexus]

ben 10 is overkill

[vestal sable]

You couldn't prove strength > hax

Its a waste of time debating you

Trash tier scaler

[vestal sable]

Alien X is crazy

[vestal sable]

27D mf ☠️

Solos goku

I mean Goku is actually beyond fiction

[vestal sable]

3D ride goku

[fierce nexus]

strength
speed
dura
endurance
abilities
also hax
iq
biq
stamina

and some more i think

and luffy only takes

hax

lmao

[vestal sable]

BROOOOOO

how are points even related ??

Gosh this dumbass doesn't understand basic logic

[daring valley]

Well would karma work on Luffy?

[fierce nexus]

BRO
YOUR LOGIC IS "HAX"

[daring valley]

If it does

[vestal sable]

No

No

[daring valley]

Momoshiki auto wins

[vestal sable]

Ducking no

[fierce nexus]

BASICALLY JUST
"HAX"

[vestal sable]

Well

Okay okay calm down

Prove why hax wont work

?

If you can then I lost

Go ahead

[fierce nexus]

it will work but it just isnt enough

[vestal sable]

You said it will work

And it's use is to make people fall asleep

Unconscious

And you contended that it works

What are you barking about now ?

💀😭

[fierce nexus]

you cant even prove yourself

explain how conq haki would knock out momoshiki or naruto

[vestal sable]

Because they don't have resistance to it

And you literally contended it

😭😭

[fierce nexus]

conquerors haki is based on will
you would know if you dont read 2 piece
and those with a stronger will wont be knocked out

[vestal sable]

Shwef#1312 You’ve Reached Level 3

[fierce nexus]

bro even took me to level 3 with this debate

stupid asf

[vestal sable]

Level up

[vestal sable]

And it's not a power that exists in naruto

Therefore they don't have it

[fierce nexus]

they dont have will?

what are you on?

[vestal sable]

They don't have haki

@fierce nexus prove that they can use conqueror haki

You're losing badly ☠️

[fierce nexus]

youre just arguing stupidly

bro can only defend luffy with "conqerors haki"

[vestal sable]

And you have nothing to defend yourself

Therefore you lost 👌🏻

[fierce nexus]

i can state multiple ways that naruto would wash luffy 💀

but your logic is "conquerors haki"

[vestal sable]

Explain them then

Lol

[vestal sable]

Explain how conqueror haki won't work on naruto

Gosh you're so stupid

[fierce nexus]

He has a strong will

simple

thats literally how conqueror haki works

[daring valley]

Well will is something that every sentient being has, and since the haki's term is that someone with a stronger will can resist, I don't see how Momoshiki not having haki is an auto win

[fierce nexus]

bros getting my point

[vestal sable]

Not related.

[vestal sable]

Its different . For example chakra doesn't exist in op does it ?

[daring valley]

Let's say Momoshiki casually does infinite tsukuyomi, which he can

[vestal sable]

Joodik#1589 You’ve Reached Level 1

And verses have different logic and concepts

[daring valley]

It's an auto win

[vestal sable]

So you have to prove that

They have haki

Which they don't

[vestal sable]

Tsuyomoumi or whatever it was
Manipulates chakra inside the person's body

[fierce nexus]

THIS IS YOUR LOGIC-
Genjutsu only works on people with chakra
since op characters dont have chakra
Genjutsu wont work on them

[vestal sable]

And luffy doesn't have chakra*

[vestal sable]

Yes

It doesn't

[fierce nexus]

I wish we didnt bring momoshiki into this
he would kill luffy

in an embarassing way

[vestal sable]

Luffy massacres the verse

Lol

[daring valley]

The hell is Luffy going to do against Amaterasu

[vestal sable]

You want to say a makima dog like you has more intelligence in scaling ? Alright then

Explain what is a axiom

[fierce nexus]

with "hax" 💀

[vestal sable]

Dodge it with seeing the future

[daring valley]

You see

[fierce nexus]

You dont dodge amaterasu idiot

watch naruto

[daring valley]

It spawns where Sasuke wants it to spawn

It can't be dodged

[fierce nexus]

you automatically get set on fire

[vestal sable]

Don't judge my question

Dodge*

[fierce nexus]

whats axiom got to do with this?

Get luffy past so6p naruto then we can debate baryon mode

[daring valley]

Hell even Obito is going to beat Luffy

[vestal sable]

Then how did sasuke dodge it lol

[daring valley]

He didn't

[vestal sable]

Not even proving your point cool

He blocked it

Simply with fire

Even ace can do that

[vestal sable]

Ace massacres obito

[daring valley]

Itachi blocked Sasuke's fireball with amaterasu

[daring valley]

Kamui auto-win

[vestal sable]

You're basically saying that I don't know how to scale

So go on intelligent guy

[fierce nexus]

Gear 5 luffy can go up against 8th gates might guy
but it stops there

[vestal sable]

Again it cant

He isn't physical

[daring valley]

Chakra isn't physical either

Yet it can be teleported with kamui

[vestal sable]

You can't prove it lol

Explain how it can suck non-physical beings inside

[fierce nexus]

This is a very stupid debate because you can only use "conquerors haki" to defend luffy

if luffy can solo the verse i need a valid explanation

i need feats and scales

[vestal sable]

And you couldn't prove resistance to it

💀

For example

Madoka kaname vs goku

Madoka wins because she has better hax

Conceptual erasure

Got it dummy ?

[vestal sable]

Conqueror haki can make people fall unconscious and it has a high range . You can tank it with high scale haki

[fierce nexus]

yeah sure
luffy is gonna keep punching naruto while hes unconscious
and yeah that would totally kill him

thats if it even works

[daring valley]

And to be fair I said Obito auto wins against Luffy

[vestal sable]

Ryou haki

Destroys enemy from inside

😭💀

[idle gale]

Thor>>Qin Shi >= Beelzebub >== Luu Bu

[vestal sable]

You're getting debunked by yourself

[fierce nexus]

Amaterasu can be avioided tho
you just need to get out of the user's range of vision

[vestal sable]

Thor is overrated so nah

But agreed on the qin shi part

beelzebub is overrated asf

[idle gale]

BRO HIS HAMMER CAN SMASH CONTINENTS

💀

He is Zeus lvl

[fierce nexus]

Dont underestimate Naruto's endurance bro 💀

[vestal sable]

But he lost to lu bu who wasn't even city ?

[vestal sable]

I SAID DESTROYS ENEMY FROM INSIDE

Bro's iq is below "under average"

[vestal sable]

Tbh ace destroys

[fierce nexus]

So
why didnt kaido die after that many hits? 🤨

[vestal sable]

It's funny how when you get debunked you avoid the question

[vestal sable]

Because he had haki

[fierce nexus]

bro coated his organs with haki?

[idle gale]

He win lui bu no dif

His hammer makes him weaker

Yk?

[vestal sable]

Not "no diff"

But yeah

He is pretty op

[idle gale]

"Pretty"

[vestal sable]

Yeah ?

[daring valley]

Either case Aizen solos op and naruto

So pointless argument

[idle gale]

Bro he literally can kill every Greek god (Except zeus) mid dif

[vestal sable]

It's funny. When you lose to prove your point you reply with rather a joke or dumb shit

[fierce nexus]

Aizen is overkill
stop it

[vestal sable]

I don't remember correctly

He destroyed a city

Or a continent ?

[daring valley]

Well the fact is I have never even seen one piece

Don't plan on watching it

[idle gale]

It was luu bu

[vestal sable]

Then sir shut the heck up

[idle gale]

Luu Bu (+ volund) city lvl

[daring valley]

I see my goal was achieved here

[vestal sable]

Madoka is mid

[vestal sable]

I'm talking about thor

Like dude

He destroyed a city or a continent

[daring valley]

Gumball >>>>

[idle gale]

Continent

[vestal sable]

Also didn't he use his strongest attack on lubu

[fierce nexus]

i dont think you need to watch one piece to know that naruto beats luffy
its common sense

[daring valley]

It is

[vestal sable]

You lost to prove your point .

Makimas dog

[idle gale]

Luu Bu did*

[vestal sable]

💀

Luu bu

Whatever

Weird ahh names

[idle gale]

Fr

[vestal sable]

[fierce nexus]

your entire argument is "conquerors haki" so shut up

[vestal sable]

And you lost to debunk it

😭💀

[vestal sable]

Lu the majin buu

[fierce nexus]

when youre ready to compare feats and other categories ill consider you having a brain

[vestal sable]

Goku solos fiction and nonfiction

Shwef#1312 You’ve Reached Level 4

Change my mind

[vestal sable]

3D ride goku does that

[vestal sable]

Do you even know what tier system is ?

[vestal sable]

Goku is beyond space temporal dimensions

🥱

He solos us

[vestal sable]

Goku solos

[daring valley]

Naruto can casually dodge light-speed attacks, can tank moon destroying attacks in base, resistance to almost all illusion based attacks etc

[vestal sable]

Joodik#1589 You’ve Reached Level 2

[vestal sable]

Dodge speed attack doesn't matter

[vestal sable]

So he’s moon level

Nor strength does

Against hax

[fierce nexus]

Luffy is country-continental
Naruto is low planetary

[vestal sable]

For example goku can destroy a multiverse
But madoka can erase from existence

Because Goku has higher destructive power

Doesn't mean he solos the character

[vestal sable]

Again . You're avoiding my question silly

[nocturne gull]

Whats this debate about

Naruto vs luffy

[fierce nexus]

yep
sadly

[fierce nexus]

what was the question

[nocturne gull]

Luffy probably wins cause of hax tho

Conq haki

[vestal sable]

That's what I'm saying

But this guy is out of brain

He doesn't understand basic logic

[nocturne gull]

Tho i hate both one piece and naruto

[vestal sable]

I'm saying destructive power doesn't matter

If he outhaxes the character

He ignores my scale and moves on

[nocturne gull]

Ye

Hax reallt matter

Its same in the jjba verse

[vestal sable]

I hate two piece more but not by much

And this stupid little ape is saying dumbshit without even proving his point

[nocturne gull]

They are like city level but crazy ass hax

[vestal sable]

I hate Naruto
I like one piece because of the comedy . Most likely

[fierce nexus]

If you want to compare hax
What's Luffy gonna do against infinite tsukuyomi

[nocturne gull]

Cool

[vestal sable]

Wont work on him

Tsukuyomi

[nocturne gull]

Bro naruto aint gonna use infinite tsukoyomi tho..

[vestal sable]

Manipulates chakra inside the person's body

[nocturne gull]

Wtf..

[vestal sable]

And luffy doesn't have chakra

[daring valley]

Still the term for conquerors haki to work is for the opponent to have a weaker will, no where is it said that the opponent must have haki to counter it

[vestal sable]

Therefore it doesn't work

Dummy

[vestal sable]

Naruto is just gonna talk

[fierce nexus]

His argument is that luffy solos the verse

[nocturne gull]

I mean

No

[vestal sable]

So can naruto characters use haki witb their will ?

No they can't

[nocturne gull]

Shibai otsuski is like

[vestal sable]

Verses have different concepts and logic

And Cosmology

[nocturne gull]

Goku level char

[vestal sable]

So stop embrassing yourself

[nocturne gull]

So probably doesnt solo the verse

[vestal sable]

[vestal sable]

OKG NO WAY

Shibai is featless

[nocturne gull]

He doesnt really have feats

Tho

But he is powerful

[vestal sable]

He is just above the otsutsuki

Nothing more

[nocturne gull]

But who knows

[vestal sable]

Not Goku level

[fierce nexus]

Bros talking like conq is luffy's strongest ability

[vestal sable]

Cc goku is hella op

[nocturne gull]

Ye i guess

No feats

[fierce nexus]

Law doesnt even have haki and he never fell to that shit

[vestal sable]

@nocturne gull okay guy can you please be a judge ?
See I'm asking this guy to prove that if the character doesn't have resistance to the hax . Therefore it'll work on them . Same shit for luffy
And he says hax doesn't matter and he doesn't even say why

[fierce nexus]

"Luffy massacres the verse" -idiot

[vestal sable]

Makimas dog

What is a tier system ?

Now dodge the question

Haha

[nocturne gull]

Just hax dude naruto is light speed and shit but hax

[daring valley]

You are missing the point and bending the words. In the wiki it was said that a stronger willed opponent can resist. No where it was mentioned that haki is a requirement for resisting it. Having haki doesn't mean he doesn't have willpower. Willpower is the same in every universe.

[fierce nexus]

If no one other than characters in the one piece verse dont have haki
that means luffy practically solos anime

bro have common sense

[nocturne gull]

He wins in every other category probably

But hax

[vestal sable]

Verses have different concepts and logic

💀😭

[vestal sable]

Yeah

In every other category

Except attack potency and hax

[fierce nexus]

if the opponent has a strong enough will
not necessarily stronger

[vestal sable]

No .

There are higher dimensional characters

[daring valley]

Lets say a random one piece character without haki resists conquerors haki. Its the same logic

[vestal sable]

Nope

They can't

[nocturne gull]

Idk much about one piece scaling so not.the best judge

So idk

[fierce nexus]

higher dimension but they dont have haki
so they dont have resistance

this is your own logic bro

[vestal sable]

Its not even scaling

Basic logic

[vestal sable]

No

3d hax don't work on higher dimensional characters

Its even in the vsbw tiering systems

[fierce nexus]

bros confusing himself at this point

[vestal sable]

See dummy
For example a 5D character is above time and space . So its not gonna work on them

[fierce nexus]

your argument was practically-
"they dont have resistance to it so they will fall unconscious"

[vestal sable]

Understand now ?

[vestal sable]

Yes . Got any problems with it ? Debunk ot

[nocturne gull]

Wonder of u solos both nsruto and one piece

[fierce nexus]

theres nothing to debunk
youre just the one overestimating it

[vestal sable]

Oh gosh this guy

I'm saying prove why it won't work on naruto

Prove jt

[fierce nexus]

if hax is a character's BIGGEST ATTRIBUTE
Then Gojo destroys luffy
again, this is your logic

[vestal sable]

Yes

Gojo is 4D

[fierce nexus]

bro said 4D

[vestal sable]

Naruto and Luffy are 3D

[vestal sable]

His hax are 4D

[nocturne gull]

He has infinity

[vestal sable]

Want me to prove ?

[nocturne gull]

As a power

[vestal sable]

He broke a 4D creature

[nocturne gull]

Probably can be stopped by stopping time

[vestal sable]

At this point you're embrassing yourself

Lol

Easiest debate I ever had

[nocturne gull]

Now i am curious that how do you stop his infinity

[fierce nexus]

infinity can be bypassed if the opponent attacks gojo before his brain can process

[nocturne gull]

I havent read the manga

[nocturne gull]

He uses infinity subconsciously

Its always there

If i remember correctly

[vestal sable]

Don't debate him uh

You're most likely wasting your time

[fierce nexus]

nope

you gotta read the manga

[vestal sable]

He thinks destructive power > atk potency and hax

[fierce nexus]

infinity is an ability he has to activate

and its temporary

[nocturne gull]

I think i am right tho..

Amma just search

[vestal sable]

I'm saying his hax are 5D

Which is beyond time

Dummy

[fierce nexus]

from 4D to 5D

thats wild

[vestal sable]

Yeah

Now shut up you stupid damn ape

Go learn scaling

Before debating

[fierce nexus]

bros telling me to learn scaling but he can only use hax to compare

thats depressing

[vestal sable]

Oh

So

[vestal sable]

You're a better scaler than me ?

Am I correct ?

[fierce nexus]

clearly

[vestal sable]

Yes

[fierce nexus]

you only use hax

[vestal sable]

Okay lets go on a debate of intelligence

What is axiom ?

Cardinal ?

Where does mahlo Cardinal scale

What is outerversal ?

What is a platonic concept ?

What dimension is beyond space

[fierce nexus]

Your logic
if two characters are in a battle
the one with greater hax wins even if the opponent takes every other category

[vestal sable]

@fierce nexus answer "better scaler"

[fierce nexus]

bro changed the subject to iq

[daring valley]

He better explain how willpower is different in naruto

[fierce nexus]

hes been dodging that from the start

I just didnt say anything

[daring valley]

So dodging the question without proof

[nocturne gull]

Ye idk i didnt get an answer

[vestal sable]

Okay sk

If I do it

You'll agree right ?

@daring valley

If I prove it . You will agree that op is beyond Naruto or not

If not then I wont because I'm wasting my time

[daring valley]

Explain it

[fierce nexus]

explain bro

explain

[daring valley]

I honestly don't care who is but I don't like people talking without providing proof

[nocturne gull]

Average debater tho

[daring valley]

You made the claim

[fierce nexus]

mans not typing anymore

[nocturne gull]

💀

[daring valley]

So its for you to explain

[nocturne gull]

He is probably researching idk

[vestal sable]

Can naruto characters use haki with their willpower ?
No they can't . Not in a million years
Concepts and logic in verses are different . For example HxH characters can use that power (forgot its name) with their body . And they are just human beings right ? So does it mean op humans can also use that power ? No they can't . Powers are different in other verses cool guy . Op characters can use haki with their willpower and Naruto characters cant . That's the difference

[nocturne gull]

Also gojos infinity is on all the time

Nen

[vestal sable]

I like how you ignored my question

[fierce nexus]

that would probably mean he shouldve never gotten hit in the series

[daring valley]

It said "use haki with their willpower" not that willpower = haki

[nocturne gull]

Only way to defeat him is sealing

I think

[daring valley]

You only proved my answer

[vestal sable]

It says willpower because op characters can use willpower to use haki

[fierce nexus]

summary: Naruto characters dont have willpower

[nocturne gull]

I really cant debate on this due to.lack of knowledge so idk

[daring valley]

And I wouldn't trust an answer from quora bro

[vestal sable]

They do . But they can't use it in that condition

[vestal sable]

Tf ?

[fierce nexus]

concepts and logic in verses are different as you said
but for some strange reason
you decided that conquerors haki will work on any character in naruto
but infinite tsukuyomi wont work on op characters

[vestal sable]

Yes

I proved with reason

And you didn't

[fierce nexus]

prove luffy's resistance to infinite tsukuyomi

[vestal sable]

I argued about tsuyomoumi

But you didn't

[vestal sable]

He doesn't have chakra

[daring valley]

But since willpower is different in the verses, how can it work on naruto's willpower

What is the specific reason it works on naruto

[vestal sable]

I hope there are no admins so I can swear

[nocturne gull]

The bot

[daring valley]

They use different logic after all

[nocturne gull]

Will mute you

💀

[vestal sable]

Because as I said it works on characters with weak haki or no haki

[fierce nexus]

willpower is someone everyone has
regardless of the verse

[vestal sable]

I can bypass

The filter

Suckaniggadick

[nocturne gull]

Nah bro 💀💀

Bros playing chess

[vestal sable]

Yes yes

[daring valley]

Also haki is essentially "life force" righr?

[vestal sable]

But not everyone can use it as haki

[vestal sable]

See

You're rights . Everyone have willpower

[fierce nexus]

willpower doesnt need haki to have resistance to conquerors bro

why dont you get that

[vestal sable]

But not everyone can use it as haki

[vestal sable]

You stupid f-ye-ucking ape

You need haki

No admins ? 🥹

[daring valley]

Yes and now you see the core concept for both chakra and haki is the same. Both are "life force", just different meanings

[vestal sable]

Yes

[fierce nexus]

This is wild
bro doesnt know how willpower works
and that should be the easiest topic on this debate

[vestal sable]

But can other characters

Use that willpower to use ryou and observations and rainbow haki ?

Can they use their willpower to see the future ?

No of course they f-ucking cant

Beelzebub#2218 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[daring valley]

But haki isn't required to counter conquerors haki. As was said in the wiki

[fierce nexus]

exactly

[nocturne gull]

He lost

💀

[fierce nexus]

rip

[vestal sable]

Laplace Demon#7720 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

They got heated

This bot hates me ngl

Ok where were we

[vestal sable]

It said willpower because op humans can use willpower to use haki

Not other verses

Real scp 3812

[vestal sable]

2nd account got muted too

Cool

[daring valley]

Why are you reinterpreting information

[vestal sable]

Joodik#1589 You’ve Reached Level 3

[daring valley]

Willpower is the same concept in every universe, in this case the only difference is in one piece it grants a power while in Naruto it doesn't

[vestal sable]

Yeah ?

They can't use it to have haki

Therefore it's pointless

[daring valley]

Yes they can't

But the conquerors haki is resisted simply with willpower

Not with haki

[vestal sable]

Its not 💀😭

It says it's resisted with willpower because you can use willpower to have haki

Gosh

How many times do I have to say this

[daring valley]

Then the condition for it should state that haki is required, not that willpower is the only condition

But it doesn't

[vestal sable]

It didn't because the wiki is related to the verse itself

We're not reaching anywhere . How about I choose a judge

omeone out depends on the difference in strength between the person using the Haki and the person or persons the user is trying to knock

SCP-3812#6827 You’ve Reached Level 1

From wiki

[daring valley]

Powerscaling wiki states the same thing that I said. No where is it said that haki is required to countet conquerors haki.

[fierce nexus]

A non one piece fan is winning a debate against a one piece fan

[vestal sable]

Shwef#1312 You’ve Reached Level 5

[upbeat ravine]

One piece fans try not to get muted challenge:

[vestal sable]

LilSunFlower

Autistic*

I don’t do dbz debates

L

Weirdo

No creep

#📷│media

[upbeat ravine]

Ayo

[vestal sable]

How is powerscaling related to this

[upbeat ravine]

Nah I got hw to do

[vestal sable]

Vsbw is contradicted

Most of it

And we are debating on basic logic

Not tier system

[vestal sable]

Shut up lil bro . You got slammed badly . Since your friend or whatever atleast uses logic and does have a brain it's a bit more interesting

[vestal sable]

I just sent a msg about a white creamy stuff

And I got muted

Unfair

Shut up

[upbeat ravine]

Goku bubbles victim

[vestal sable]

Krillin beats them

[upbeat ravine]

Goku after bubbles sneezes 🪦🙏

[polar root]

Every anime character when compared to cartoon toon force 💀 🪦🙏

[vestal sable]

Well in terms of outscaling he is fodder

But man he got some op asf hax

Also your beloved rimuru is a madoka (pinkie lesbian) victim

[haughty vector]

He has a lgbtq aura

[turbid beacon]

This guy survived luffys conq at marineford btw

[haughty vector]

And a lot of others

What are you implying

[turbid beacon]

That the guys point was right? Haki isnt required to resist conq

[tame rampart]

That's crazy

[haughty vector]

Was it before or after

Luffy used his conqueror haki

[turbid beacon]

How could he survive conq haki if luffu hadnt used conq haki

[turbid beacon]

Inosuke>zenitsu

[vestal sable]

But does he beat goku

[turbid beacon]

Not really

Inosuke got bettah feats

Blehhg

True tbh, I forgor that demon slayer gotta be the worst show of all time

Fair enough

[whole field]

Bruh the Hantengu fight scene was so boring I can't even 😭

[vestal sable]

Honestly even in the manga the sword smith village fights are not cool

[whole field]

True

[fierce nexus]

didnt the studio say this season will have "next level animation"

[vestal sable]

It does from the last

It’s just the fight that’s lame

[nocturne gull]

Zenitsu defeated an upper.moon

Alone

Ofc

[upbeat ravine]

😲

[fierce nexus]

how did you get a leak??

[fierce nexus]

7th form is top 5 strongest breathing techniques

[vestal sable]

He’s Ed special

[fierce nexus]

crazy

well yeah
even muzan couldnt react to it

[whole field]

That doesn't equal good fights

[vestal sable]

Infact this guy has haki ☠️

[turbid beacon]

Proof?

[vestal sable]

It's like saying "scp-3812 is fodder because he only has transcendence and CONCEPTUAL destruction"

[vestal sable]

Didn't get knocked unconscious ? And also marine soldiers know haki

[turbid beacon]

Scp-😴

[turbid beacon]

Both of those prove nothing

[vestal sable]

They do .

[turbid beacon]

They dont

?

Not every marine has haki and you dont need haki to resist conq

[vestal sable]

As i said they get trained so yeah . Most of them fall unconscious

Its stated "you need will" because you can use your will to increase your haki strength
If you can't use haki then it's no use again haoshoku

[turbid beacon]

Kizaru

[vestal sable]

Doesn't matter

And no

[turbid beacon]

And now youre making your own interpretation

W mans

[vestal sable]

I'm debating ya with basic logic

Thicc guy

[turbid beacon]

It was a pretty simple statement

[vestal sable]

What's that

[turbid beacon]

If they say you need willpower then you need willpower

[vestal sable]

Tf I saw

[turbid beacon]

They dont say only haki users can withstand haki

and that guy was never shown to use haki

[vestal sable]

Because you can use GODDAMN WILLPOWER TO INCREASE YOUR HAKIS STRENGTH OR USE HAKI
Smort guy

[turbid beacon]

W interpretation but theres nothing to prove that

[vestal sable]

Bruh tf

I saw a scaling on yt . Forgot it though

[turbid beacon]

Non haki user withstanded conq, accept that you’re wrong bae

[vestal sable]

Can naruto

Use his will to use haki

[turbid beacon]

So why are we changing the argument

?

[vestal sable]

Godmodafuckingdamn

[vestal sable]

Im not

Answer me

Can he ?

[turbid beacon]

Yeah, nothing to suggest he cant

[vestal sable]

💀😭😭😭

LMFAO

[turbid beacon]

Can you prove otherwise

?

[vestal sable]

Gosh

This guy

💀😭

[turbid beacon]

If we making claims with no evidence then nothing proves that haki effects non one piece things

[vestal sable]

They look cringe though

[vestal sable]

Verses have different concepts and logic smort guy
When did Naruto show any haki feats

[turbid beacon]

Why does he need to?

My statement cannot be proven there for im right

[vestal sable]

Bruh why are all the magical girl shits about the same thing

Literally madoka magica

[turbid beacon]

If you dont need proof i dont need proof

[vestal sable]

Without a dark filter

[vestal sable]

Verses have different concepts smort guy ..
So if we go by your logic
Godmodafuckingdamn luffy can use the power in hxh (forgot its name tbh) godmodafuckingdamn luffy boundless level no way

Lucci stated that he is above logic

So outerversal

Godmodafuckingdamn

[turbid beacon]

Lucci shown to be bound by logic

[vestal sable]

Because that (power shit I forgot its name) any human can use it in hxh

So luffy can also use it

[turbid beacon]

Any human can LEARN it

[vestal sable]

Godmodafuckingdamn

[turbid beacon]

Luffy hasnt learned it

[vestal sable]

Oh wait

Yes

[turbid beacon]

He dies to basic nen user because he cant get passed the barriers

[vestal sable]

Scp humans can manipulate concepts

So luffy can do the same

Therefore boundless

[turbid beacon]

So why are you changing the argument exactly?

[vestal sable]

This is your logic

I'm not changing anything

[turbid beacon]

Thats your logic

[vestal sable]

Just going on by your logic

[turbid beacon]

Since we dont need proof to back up our statements according to you

[vestal sable]

You're saying that Naruto can use haki

[turbid beacon]

When

Show me

Right now

[vestal sable]

Godmodafuckingdamn

Boy lets go by your logic

[turbid beacon]

That statement that didnt mention naruto?

Can you not read

?

[vestal sable]

Scp humans Vs comp madoka

[vestal sable]

Nah thicc guy can

[turbid beacon]

Wow were changing the argument completely this time

Good job

[vestal sable]

When did i ?

I'm going by your logic

[turbid beacon]

Prove that haki is needed to counter haki lil bro

[vestal sable]

By your logic all the humans of other verses are the same

[turbid beacon]

You brought up 2 entirely unrelated characters

[turbid beacon]

Tell me when i said that exactly

[vestal sable]

So one piece humans can also use Naruto and scp characters powers

[turbid beacon]

Or are you reaching again

[vestal sable]

Therefore boundless

[turbid beacon]

Show me when lil bro

[fierce nexus]

this same stupid debate from yesterday 💀

[turbid beacon]

Waiting for when i said that

[turbid beacon]

Hes tried to change it like 3 times without answering my original question

[vestal sable]

I simply said prove that Naruto can use haki .
You basically said that haki is something that can be used throughout willpower

Right ?

[turbid beacon]

When did i say he could use haki

??

[fierce nexus]

at the end
his best defense is "no resistance to conquerors haki"

[vestal sable]

You're saying he can use his willpower to deflect haki

[vestal sable]

Well yeah gotta accept

Luffy is fodder

[turbid beacon]

He can use his willpower to not get knocked unconscious as demonstrated in the series by a character without haki

[vestal sable]

In terms of strength and speed and dura

[turbid beacon]

?

[vestal sable]

It simply said it can be tanked by "a high willpower" because willpower is used to increase your haki/ work with it
Humans of other verses can't use willpower for haki

[turbid beacon]

Nice interpretation lil bro

Back it up w a source

[vestal sable]

Why do I need a source ? It's literally obivious

[turbid beacon]

Youre trying to twist a very simply quote that has proof backing it up

All you need is willpower as demonstrated in the show

[vestal sable]

Because haki can be used throughout willpower

Not other verses

[turbid beacon]

Haki can be used through willpower, having willpower dosent=haki

[vestal sable]

I mean it's actually kinda gay to compare 2 different concepts but yeah

[turbid beacon]

Literally gay but ok

Keep trying bae, youll get there eventually🔥

[fierce nexus]

wait im confused
whos in support of luffy here?

[turbid beacon]

Its not really about luffy too much

[vestal sable]

Ah why did my msg get that red thing

[turbid beacon]

Im saying you dont need haki to withstand conq haki

And hes saying you do

[vestal sable]

Gotta type it again

W8

[vestal sable]

You can't dude . As I said it for the 69th time
2 different verses have different concepts and logic. In op you can use willpower to get enchanced strength . Speed Dura etc.. and even seeing the future .
While in Naruto or almost every other verse it's useless .
You need willpower yes . To use haki

[vestal sable]

Please don't come up with the "so goku can't resist it ?"

[turbid beacon]

No one said you didnt need it to use haki, but willpower dosent=haki but haki=willpower

[turbid beacon]

Stop trying to get off topic

Prove that haki is required to resist conq

You can try twist a statement all you want, it simply isnt going to work

[vestal sable]

I said it for the 69th time 💀☠️😭
You can tank conqueror with willpower cause you can use willpower to use TYPES OF HAKI
IM NOT twisting a statement or something . Just going on with your logic humans are the same in each verse . So does it mean op humans are the same as scp humans so they can use concept manipulation ? Godmodafuckingdamn

Nah they f-ucking cant

[turbid beacon]

Can you show me fullbody with haki

[vestal sable]

Beelzebub#2218 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Beelzebub#2218 has been banned

Reason: Too many infractions

[turbid beacon]

?

[turbid beacon]

Also, never said humans in every verse were the same, yet another false statement

Keep trying bae♥️

[vestal sable]

Good bot

[turbid beacon]

LOLLLL

Bro was spittin nothing but false anyways

[vestal sable]

Uh he has a point as long as its his own point lol

But wanking characters is normal

Everywhere in the community

[vestal sable]

Logic*

But seriously getting banned for swearing 😭

[turbid beacon]

But the thing is, he dosent have a point

[whole field]

He got banned for having too many infractions

He got warned for swearing

Probably a racial slur

[turbid beacon]

P sure they were all from swearing

[vestal sable]

Bro's rage on a whole other level

[turbid beacon]

All because he was objectively wrong

[vestal sable]

Tyler be crying

[turbid beacon]

Crazy

Also uh

For the record