dev-chat

[trim geode]

This isn't a badge hunting server.

[rugged vector]

pay 10$ for nitro 😭✌️

[strong heron]

My bad, sorry about that! Thanks for letting me know

[strong heron]

‌😂😂😂

[versed creek]

how can webhook send v2 comps

I mean use them like container buttons etc

[flint epoch]

Overview: Components Overview

[night shadow]

Ugh, I would have added it to all my servers but something is off...

And even to my Apps

The Py Bot is better I guess

[versed creek]

ooop

[vestal fractal]

@daring wasp this works perfectly
I think the reason your didn't work is that the type checker did not know T should be able to take data in it. So that's why I made a protocol.

And ofc you can add your kwargs

[primal plume]

H

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[vestal fractal]

@primal plume No spamming cuh

[primal plume]

I'am sorry

[topaz egret]

Especially to avoid the salutation filter

They're banned for a reason

[upbeat anchor]

Ooo good to know python has generics too

[vestal fractal]

Of course

[rugged vector]

what does that even mean?

[patent carbon]

The user isn't cached

[fading loom]

what

[patent carbon]

Likely because they left the server

[manic marten]

does the developer program (blue badge) not return?

[patent carbon]

no

[manic marten]

😭

[patent carbon]

the blue badge has been unavailable for many years

[manic marten]

Ik, but I thought there’d be some kinda response :/

[rugged vector]

it’s in it name “ early “

[patent carbon]

they made an alternative... the Active Developer Badge... that badge was then removed in December of last year due to support ticket spam

so it's extremely unlikely that they attempt to replace it again

[manic marten]

makes sense, I remember

[rugged vector]

doesnt it still show the profile when someone try with user id?

[patent carbon]

only if they're still cached to your client... as soon as the cache removes them or you restart your client, it will give that error

[marble slate]

if you have a desktop you can manually resolve to https://discord.com/api/v10/users/<user id> to grab the user object if you need it that badly, otherwise yea it will only be available via cache which is removed upon restart

[jade current]

Peak

[pale hull]

Dart

ThemeData(colorScheme: .fromSeed(seedColor: Colors.green),)

fromSeed is a class/factory method od ColorScheme, but I dont understand why it does not have to be prefixed with the classname

[cunning coyote]

i like dart

made a small http framework in it years ago

lol i found it

[spare ridge]

hi this may oot,

how accurate are "online"/etc statuses? when do they refresh? from my end tested with mobile app from android my online status changed to idle immediately whenever i close/switch app. does it work the same on mobile (iOS) and desktop/browser as well before it appear offline in total?

or they do it manually

[solid wind]

there are now 15 competing standards 😶‍🌫️

[jade current]

Yes (the same)

[spare ridge]

so that instant online to offline set by manual? cause the trantition should be on idle first, am i right?

on all platforms

[jade current]

I doubt so. Also why be of concern with all this?

[spare ridge]

we dont. but my life 😌 lmao all g. keep grind

[fresh dew]

Lmao

[solid wind]

if someone is online and closes the app it'd probably switch immediately to offline

you'd have to double check but my assumption is idle would show up after a timeout for inactivity

[pale hull]

I actually don't understand this. Google is not helping either

[solid wind]

it wont be accurate to the second, but it'd be reasonable enough. i wouldnt treat it as a source of truth though, plenty of people show as online 24/7 and clearly they arent

[pale hull]

And people can select different statuses manually

[spare ridge]

double checked and the flow goes the same with you but appreciate 🤛

[solid wind]

id have to assume that ThemeData expects that specific type and dart just lets you shorthand it

(ive never used dart)

[pale hull]

That is not very comfy imo. This snippet was from the example but I probably won't use it

I want to make an android app. So I am learning dart+flutter. Just a small project for keeping track of grocery store inventory

[solid wind]

seems reasonable enough, if you know what class something is gonna be it is a bit redundant. nothing wrong with a bit of extra verbosity for clarity

some day there will be an actually good cross platform framework and maybe then i'll get back into some frontend

[pale hull]

I'm hoping I can get it to rapid fire barcode scans

I don't care at all for cross platform. I just saw people saying flutter is easier then native android

[solid wind]

thats unexpected

maybe it is convenience on the top, if i were doing just android id want to go kotlin instead of some extra layer on top

jetpack compose looked interesting when i briefly looked into it

[pale hull]

Surprisingly there does not seem to be a whole lot of interest in making apps for a single platform.

[solid wind]

it'd be a bit silly to intentionally build something from the start in a way that only a fraction of people can use

if it were intended for broad use

[trim geode]

iOS devs would like to talk to you

or all apple devs

There's so many exclusive apps to apple ecosystem

[pale hull]

oh, I wouldent know

[solid wind]

if we wanna get into it, windows would also have a pretty massive amount of windows-only stuff 😂

[trim geode]

I feel like that's more out of convenience though lol.

[pale hull]

It is very possible that my research was not in depth and not using the right keywords as I dont know much about the space

[trim geode]

hahah nah you're good :P

Just busting your balls about it

[pale hull]

offtopic but I need to find some servers with better emojis

I can never find a good one

[trim geode]

[white sentinel]

[normal grail]

Hi everyone.
I am looking for bidders

[tired obsidian]

Best of luck finding a server to get some, then. This is not the place

[spring hollow]

wrong place for that

[jade current]

I bid my code works on first try (0% success rate)

[subtle isle]

Hey, nice to meet you. I understand you need someone to continue and improve the current project, and my full-stack experience makes me a good fit for that.

[jade current]

:skeptical::doubt::sus:

[lime blaze]

What happen to this

[daring wasp]

VNC. It's used to share and control screens virtually over the network

in the screenshot I am using tigervnc on termux to host an X Server / Display and then using a vnc to connect to that

However if you don't want to use the connection from another device than the host
you should read about termux x11

it doesn't support over the network sharing but it is much faster in terms of speed

and AVNC is just a vnc viewer on playstore not made by me

[solid wind]

you caught an ultra rare error

👍

[daring wasp]

yeah but mine also supports **kwargs so id have to make two protocols one that takes and one that doesn't pretty sure

at that point just using a simple Callable is simple

class SupportsData(Protocol):
    def __init__(self, data: Any, **kwargs: Any): ...

class SupportsDataNoKwargs(Protocol):
    def __init__(self, data: Any): ...

def scls[C: SupportsData | SupportsDataNoKwargs](cls: type[C], data: Any, **kwargs: Any) -> C | None:
    return cls(data, **kwargs) if data else None

versus

def scls[C](cls: Callable[..., C], data: Any, **kwargs: Any) -> C | None:
    return cls(data, **kwargs) if data else None

[quiet saddle]

i have so many

[lime blaze]

Pls help bro

[spring hollow]

!support ⬇️

[strong seal]

This server is for help with Discord APIs, SDK and other various integrations. For general support, please contact Discord at https://dis.gd/contact, or send us a message on Twitter at @discord_support

[lime blaze]

My friend is kinda homeless

[outer lodge]

Hi pro devs

[jade current]

Me not dev

[outer lodge]

Why lol have you tried joining those fancy servers

[outer lodge]

But you know much tho

[jade current]

I don't. I'm using AI

[daring wasp]

you're using Real Intelligence

[pale hull]

[daring wasp]

@vestal fractal the related error if I just have one protocol*
and I'm also using it for not just classes but other stuff too now

[jade current]

No I don't

AI is coding my lib

[daring wasp]

aidetector said my code is written by ai too :<

cuz I'm soraAI

[jade current]

Can't you overload it?

[quiet saddle]

there's an ai code detector?

[daring wasp]

a LOT

[quiet saddle]

oooooh

[daring wasp]

they're terrible tho

[jade current]

There's an AI detector for everything, 'cause apparently why not

[quiet saddle]

do they tell you why they think your code is AI

[daring wasp]

yes

[quiet saddle]

can you dm me one

[daring wasp]

alright

[solid wind]

can it just run on a github repo

[daring wasp]

no

[solid wind]

slack

[daring wasp]

pasted code so like one file

[solid wind]

thats a pretty massive limitation

[quiet saddle]

let's see what it thinks of my ratchet tree

[solid wind]

most of my files are like 50 loc

[jade current]

mydetector.ai?

[daring wasp]

you can use chatgpt's ai checker (from community i think) and since it's just a normal ai chatbot you can just upload a lot of files

[solid wind]

if you cant just paste a public git repo its too much effort imo

[quiet saddle]

LOL

90% AI

[pale hull]

its too much effort overall. I have not seen an accurate AI detector

[daring wasp]

all my files are also marked as 90% AI

Madeline waiitt let me show u somethin

[daring wasp]

no lower limit on characters

[quiet saddle]

lmao this is so dumb

[daring wasp]

it's just do you write professional and good code? ai.

why do all the events here happen midnight time for me 😔

[jade current]

Timezones

[quiet saddle]

"No real business logic specific to an application domain;"

it's a library...

"the code mostly implements protocol-specified cryptographic routines"

I'm implementing a protocol. Literally.

"with generic error handling and no custom exception management"

Every error that can happen has a specific type with a detailed error message so not sure what they meant there

"or logging."

That would be a side-effect - not allowed in this part of the library

[solid wind]

what site are you testing on

[quiet saddle]

https://mydetector.ai/ai-code-detector/

[solid wind]

i wanna throw something in and see, since my code is not ai generated xd

[quiet saddle]

i wanna see what it says lmao

[solid wind]

everything is coming up 75-90%

[quiet saddle]

[patent carbon]

lol yup 90%

[native pilot]

I highly doubt detecting ai code is possible lol

bc u can easily make ai write the same code you would

[patent carbon]

many TODOs and commented-out skeletons imlpying incomplete domain logic

damn... im being called out

[native pilot]

detecting ai writing is doable often but human languages are way more flexible than programing languages

[upbeat anchor]

Its so funny putting books into ai checkers

[quiet saddle]

if anything isn't that a sign of non-AI code?

[patent carbon]

that's my thought... blueprinting and showing the ideas of what WILL BE seems more human than ai

[daring wasp]

yep

[solid wind]

it doesnt help when most of the solution is simple orchestrations

[quiet saddle]

if it's more than a few sentences and it's about a general topic or a domain I'm familiar with AI writing is very easy to spot

[daring wasp]

what language is .cs ?

[solid wind]

C#

[daring wasp]

oh wait yeah on the right I just saw :p

[quiet saddle]

that's the thing, I feel like this site is conflating organized/structured code with "AI"

[jade current]

Found a way to generate it <10%

[daring wasp]

how

wait I'm gonna put my really old code

[patent carbon]

also looking more into that site... it looks like this is a tool targeted to vibe coders that's going to fearmonger them into thinking people can obviously tell theyre vibe coding, and use the "humanizer" (which is paid) to fix it

[quiet saddle]

Humanizer WHAT

[solid wind]

i got 90% on an repository interface 🗿

[jade current]

Also the text isn't even entirely monospace lmao

Whitespace isn't on the same width as the characters

[daring wasp]

why AI Humanizer...for code

[quiet saddle]

yeah they use Arial or something which is an odd choice for code presentation

[daring wasp]

it's gonna ruin your code too

[jade current]

It fixes your code's grammar, punctuation, indentation, and references in an IEEE standard

[daring wasp]

but the ai checker says consistent grammar indentation as a reason for being ai

[quiet saddle]

but it criticized me for having good grammar and references

[upbeat anchor]

They barely work for text btw

[jade current]

The AI's gonna do what it's gotta do :person_shrugging:

[daring wasp]

everything ai barely works

[quiet saddle]

apparently citing protocol documentation when implementing a protocol library is BAD

[solid wind]

vibe coders need to find a new hobby/career, they dont actually like coding

[daring wasp]

true

me when ai keeps giving people a false sense of competence

[patent carbon]

ya this page is vibe coded to hell... and not even in the "just generic pretty modern website"

the website is just broken... every single link is a new tab (annoying), the font usage is inconsistent, the images on all blog articles is all stock images, sometimes hover events exist and sometimes they dont

[jade current]

They just wanna be called hackers too :wilted_rose:

[solid wind]

writing nice code is an art form, vibe coders are to programming what video essay slop is to youtube

[quiet saddle]

[jade current]

I wonder how I can plagiarize code...

> "I'm stealing your code. This is mine now"
> "It's not even mine"

"[...] it can identity exact, similar, and paraphrased content"
The code: print("hello, world")
The AI checker: PLAGIARISM!!!

[solid wind]

most code is reimplementing the same concepts in different ways, so ideally most code is gonna be pretty generic, straightfoward, and unoriginal

its how you put those building blocks together that makes something unique

[wide canyon]

Damn

[cunning plume]

At work.. I AI slop like it's going out of style. I spend 200-300$ a day in tokens. Why you ask? Because my employers are basing peoples' promotions off AI usage... personally I use it only for redundant and repeatable code. My code is clean and I'll be damned if AI is going to inject garbagio into it.

[upbeat anchor]

Guys random q, does resetting bot token kill ws connections immediately too

[cunning plume]

Yes lol

[upbeat anchor]

Yo nice

Im just thinking i prob shoukd change it, but wasnt sure how fun it'll be

[wide canyon]

I love the vibe of your website

[upbeat anchor]

Haha thx, minimal is da goat

[cunning plume]

My website is hideous xD

[wide canyon]

Should do a file where you can put it directly so when you code you make a path to redirect directly to the file where the token is located, might be better if you’re changing it even if you get trough troubles in the future

[upbeat anchor]

I mean it could be more mobile optimised

[cunning plume]

That's not the website I was referring to lol

[upbeat anchor]

I have 10 shards

[upbeat anchor]

Ah - this was only one im about me I could see

[cunning plume]

The desktop version of my bot is much nicer. The mobile optimization has been very very slow going.

[upbeat anchor]

The scroll is also soo lagy

[cunning plume]

Honestly, once you sign in, the mobile optimization gets better. Though I really should fix up the landing page. 30% of my traffic is from mobile

I digress, "Tech-Debt" and I'm not a designer lol

Keep telling myself I'm going to hire a designer, but I have over 215+ routes, and paying to get that much designed.... it won't be friendly

[wide canyon]

Why is it slow even ?

[cunning plume]

That page has gone through 5-10 iterations and is littered with functionality I keep around in case I want to bring it back. Though i'm likely to change it to a CMS system and drop it all together.

[wide canyon]

Can I keep the link and run a through test tomorrow (it’s 4am in France right now) I can help you manage that if needed

[quiet saddle]

why do you have 215 routes

[cunning plume]

It's not a small bot xD

[upbeat anchor]

~~one for each feature ~~

[cunning plume]

Oh god no xD

I'm not mad

[wide canyon]

158h on a test file is cursed

[quiet saddle]

I can't think of any reason a bot would need that many routes

[patent carbon]

Does the Discord API even have that many routes?

[quiet saddle]

oh the plugin is sorta broken, I have multiple vs code windows open so it randomly chooses one to use for my status

[cunning plume]

The proper term is views I do believe. Unique views. The routes was improperly stated.

[quiet saddle]

i usually have a "test" workspace open as like a scratchpad for random stuff that isnt related to my main project

[cunning plume]

Either way, the bot is not small and immensely feature-rich xD. That kinda thing happens when you're 5000+ hours and 2yr deep lol

[quiet saddle]

hmm i wonder how many hrs ive put into this proj

[cunning plume]

If you're asking yourself that question, gotta be at least 2000+ lmao

[quiet saddle]

strong week

[wide canyon]

Damn I got a warn for saying « promoting »

[upbeat anchor]

Sometimes I wonder why I have spent so much time of the most basic bot ever

[wide canyon]

I wanna see how many features you got on it atp

[pastel vine]

gn

[cunning plume]

That pretty much sums it up, excluding the discord-only functions

[cunning plume]

^^^^^

[wide canyon]

@quiet saddle I guess you can take a guess on why 215

[wide canyon]

What does « Message Sync » mean ?

[quiet saddle]

"why 215"?

[wide canyon]

About the 215 routes

[quiet saddle]

ohhh, right

[cunning plume]

Message sync let's people connect multiple discord channels from different servers, together as a synced channel

[wide canyon]

Fact that the Tickets System & Leveling System can take just by both of them ~100routes if completed

[wide canyon]

Great feature

Is InfiniTea finished ?

[cunning plume]

It's released, finished, never. Everything not tagged "Beta" is considered complete however

I am soon to be starting work on mobile polish because I'm prepping for an iOS and Android app as companion apps

[daring wasp]

what would the companion apps do

[wide canyon]

For the users or the Developers of InfiniTea ?

[cunning plume]

The companion app functionality I have planned right now is the entirety of the dashboard functions. In addition there is a "Community User" mode where users can track their leveling, achievements, and follow users. In addition create, manage, join events, and tight integration with the Looking For Group functionality (Globally). I also have an idea for a fun feature, player-cards, where people who meet each other in real life can "Bump" their phones to trade their player-cards (Old school Pokemon Vibes)

Haven't dove into it yet, because my growth is very small right now and I'd like to see more interest before I spend the dev hours required to do it though.

[wide canyon]

You’re not alone on it right ?

[solid wind]

does the bot do a bunch of off-platform stuff? it reads like its a moderation bot, and im not sure you need a dedicated mobile app if it isnt doing anything significant outside that

the stuff about player cards and trading sounds like a completely separate product, wouldnt it make more sense to create that separate to this moderation bot?

[cunning plume]

I'm 99% alone. I have another dev who helps from time to time, but very infrequently. Maybe 3-4 PR in the last few months tops.

[wide canyon]

Damn that’s a tiny amount of help

[cunning plume]

I tried to build it to be very "Dashboard" oriented, for the sake of simplicity for users. So functionally, it can do a TON of stuff off platform, and you're absolutely right that's also why I haven't jumped into that yet. The ideas I have feel very invaluable and take away from the user-experience which is NOT what I want to do.

As an example, there is a dashboard to manage open tickets as well as respond to those tickets from a centralized platform, but the value proposition is incredibly low and was built more as an experiment that will likely get ripped out one day.

[solid wind]

So functionally, it can do a TON of stuff off platform
but that dashboard would be configuration for the bot and how it runs on platform right? what i mean is functionality that is completely unrelated to discord

[cunning plume]

Currently everything has "Something" to do with discord.

Either direct association or a secondary association. Nothing now or planned to be unrelated.

[solid wind]

if you really want to go the dedicated app route, id recommend first considering a PWA, but always keep in mind that the average person probably isnt gonna want to have to constantly be flipping between discord and some extra third party app they have to install to manage a discord bot that in all reality they probably dont want to have to directly configure/manage regularly

[cunning plume]

PWA?

[solid wind]

progressive web app, basically where you "install" the website as an app on the device rather than from app/play store

also supports desktop apps as a result and etc

[cunning plume]

I would likely endup going that route. I've been looking into Flutter as an option, but again not yet sold that it's valuable to anyone nor would ever become valuable enough to warrant the hours.

[solid wind]

since you already have this webpage, provided it is build with mobile support its very little extra effort and saves a whole extra codebase

[pale hull]

@zenith hatch if you have a question please ask in the public channels

[solid wind]

my honest opinion is that it wouldnt make sense for this project

[cunning plume]

I tend to agree lol

It's also a passion project, so sometimes I code things just because, not out of practicality.

[solid wind]

imo bots should be able to be almost entirely managed on platform, and a dashboard should only be an absolute last resort for if they do particularly complex things you cant feasibly fit into cv2 and all that

[cunning plume]

Mine definitely does a ton of stuff that nothing on-platform is going to handle, not even close lol

[solid wind]

in which case a web dashboard is probably reasonable, but a mobile app would be a step too far imo

[cunning plume]

I do really love my message builder thing though. It ties soooo many of my features together in a uniform way that's repeatable, and users love it

They constantly go back to the dashboard for that, and that alone lol. I've had to raise my limits 3x because of the quantity of usage on it lmao

[solid wind]

limits on... message builders?

[cunning plume]

My message builder is behind a paywall/subscription, but I set it low thinking no one would use it. I was wrong

So I raised it to keep it accessible to free users

Then had to raise it for some of my paid users. And finally raised it for the paid users once more. It was a balancing act lol

[spring hollow]

i usually make applications that don’t ever require a subscription or paywall, but that’s just me

[cunning plume]

That's cool. I guess.. to each their own

[solid wind]

ive never added because it just means extra work to implement arbitrary restrictions that make the product worse 😂 but if it were actually necessary to keep the project running e.g. expensive features that need some subscription to offset costs, i totally get that

[cunning plume]

I tried to make my payment model freemium in the truest sense. Everything has a "Limit" so nothing is entirely behind a paywall. The only people that have to pay, are likely people who are already paying an arm and a leg from competitors. Eg 90% of people, will never have to pay a dime and free works just fine.

[solid wind]

thats why i was confused about message builder limits, they cost nothing to support, its not like there's some expensive backend call necessary to format a message

[cunning plume]

The ones that do pay, honestly they pay for the love of what I'm building. many of them send me money on cashapp + their subscription all the time. So it's more of a "Hey we love what you're doing, here's some coin."

[olive depot]

Call it "donation" then, or just don't paywall the features if its all about support and not the real target of the bot

[velvet hedge]

Some features on computers are only available on phones; will developers add them to phones?

[olive depot]

What features are you referring to

[velvet hedge]

Preview feature for assigning roles to Members

[cunning plume]

Oh no, the real target is to replace my job. I've not tried to hide that. Though what I produce I want it to feel worth it to users. Currently my approach is a centrialized platform, simplicity, and meaningful functions/features to justify it.

[olive depot]

You can use chrome in desktop view

[cunning plume]

Because of that, is why people donate all the time unprompted.

[olive depot]

#rules English only

[velvet hedge]

So, do you know when that feature will be available, and when you won't need to go into Chrome to use it?

[olive depot]

👍

[olive depot]

No idea, and most probably it won't

[viscid steppe]

We are not developers of discord, we are developers on discord

[velvet hedge]

I understand, thank you.

[cunning plume]

Features will be available in the future

[patent carbon]

Not necessarily true. A lot of server management features likely will never come to mobile

[covert oriole]

how to get developer badge

[solid wind]

if the goal is replacing your job, a discord bot probably isnt the right project to focus on

[cunning plume]

I'm fine with it taking 8yr to get there lol. I'm trending that way in appx 3-5.

[olive depot]

Time won't change users behavior, they aren't going to pay 100$ for a bot

[cunning plume]

You're wrong, and they do, and also my bot doesn't cost $100

[solid wind]

you're putting your finances at the mercy of discord's unilateral decisions and competing in a highly competitive market of cheap customers

[jade current]

Can't

[solid wind]

what does it offer for 15 a month? thats a LOT for a discord bot icl

[cunning plume]

Whitelabeled, white-glove service.

[solid wind]

and where does the 50 a month number come from

[quiet saddle]

yeah...

[olive depot]

I'm saying generally
Even if it grow large, that won't be much benefitable, you'll have to pay more for maintenance

[solid wind]

how much do you currently make off these subscriptions? id have to assume most people who are paying are just getting the cheapest one?

[olive depot]

Or as he mentioned, for the love of bot, not for actual features

[solid wind]

because like, to replace a job you'd need a hell of a lot of subscribers

[cunning plume]

Currently, with 200 installs I have 3 paying $7.99, 1 pays for $14.99, and a handful pay $2.99 depending on the day of the week. (The low paying ones tend to be flaky.)

[solid wind]

cant scoff at 50ish a month or so bonus income, but that is still like a fraction of a percent of the way to being a job replacement

[cunning plume]

However, from my seat, that is a really good conversion rate. 1-2% per 1000 is what I'm targeting. That would put it replacing my job in 3-5 years at this rate of growth. Though the last month it has grown stagnant and stabilized right at 200 and I haven't figured out why.

That also doesn't count the occasional one-off donations. The $14 a month guy has personally handed me over $500 + subscriptions.

Lucky I guess? So I don't count it in my conversion rates lol

[solid wind]

1-2% per 1000
do you mean 1-2 per 1000 or 10-20 per 1000

[solid wind]

idk whats going on there but i mean hey, not like you'd be complaining 😂

but yea... discord bots are definitely not the easiest way to make money programming. they can be fun to make, but if the goal is to replace a job, there'd be other much more viable routes to take

[bleak elbow]

@cunning coyote Hello, I was wondering if I could ask you something in private messages, please.

[jade current]

Job D:

[cunning plume]

That's mostly why I do it tbh. I enjoy the hell out of it.

[warm bay]

By his written math, it would closer to 30 per 1000, so 3%

[solid wind]

sorry, j*b

[daring wasp]

A job :D

[solid wind]

my perspective on this is that i do fun programming projects purely for fun rather than trying to monetise them, and then i go to w*rk for my actual inc*me. i think thats a healthy balance, because its far too common these days for people to start a hobby, try turning it into a business venture, and end up working 2 jobs and burning out big time

[cunning plume]

I'm also not niave. I know it's incredibly competitive and saturated. However; I'm a mobile dev by trade so I am already immensely familiar with the landscape when it comes to that sort of thing. I'm also entirely okay with long turnover, and a high chance for failure. So much as I've learned and had fun along the way, then it will remain a good experience regardless of the outcome.

[solid wind]

if the overarching goal is job replacement though, wouldnt it be worth considering pivoting to a different project where you can continue to have the long turnover but have a significantly lower chance of failure?

[pale hull]

My local grocery store has all of their bakery item IDs hardcoded as disallowed in the robots.txt. I wonder what the story behind that is

[jade current]

World so monopolized that you can buy money with money (currency exchange)

[cunning plume]

I mean that's why I have a full time job lol.

[warm bay]

I'm sitting here reading though this like "I wonder if I'll ever make a paid app in any way"

[daring wasp]

and im like if ill get paid or not D:

[solid wind]

you said earlier your goal is to replace that job though

[cunning plume]

It is, but I have a job now, so I'm already doing what you suggested xD

[solid wind]

so the goal is to replace the job, but you dont care that the project is unlikely to replace the job because you already have a job?

[bleak elbow]

Hi How can I get the Early badge without breaking Discord’s rules?

[pale hull]

same :/

[solid wind]

you cant

[daring wasp]

you dont

[cunning plume]

Correct. I don't care xD.

[jade current]

Time machine

Branch another timeline in this universe

[bleak elbow]

noooo

[cunning plume]

Better call CERN

[jade current]

Kick a rock and AI be gone

[solid wind]

i mean you are setting yourself up for failure then, but you do you

[patent carbon]

given they're called "early" and all... meaning... an amount of time before now

[daring wasp]

I might have to go for a different field of work later on, but right now im not in college and im enjoying this right now :D

[cunning plume]

By setting a goal and being okay that the goal could potentially fail?

[solid wind]

by setting a goal and intentionally taking a path that is less likely to achieve said goal

[bleak elbow]

…

[cloud flicker]

[olive depot]

Bud joined in 2016 and still missed 🥀

[daring wasp]

After my Bachelors, ill either decide to continue doing a Masters in CS or different field depending on the condition of market and ai at that time

[pale hull]

I am definitely going to try to lean a bit more into the cyber security side of things (as much as I can, im not a cyber major). Given recent events, I think that might help

[daring wasp]

still focusing completely on cs however

[cunning plume]

I do want to build a project that I enjoy though. That's the thing. This project is enjoyable, very much so. If I chose to go write some AI generator slop website so I could replace my job, I could have done it already. I'd hate myself doing that however.

[jade current]

> Sets my device's datetime to August 2015
Taym trabel

[jade current]

CSharp?

[daring wasp]

computer science

[viscid steppe]

Computer sharp

[daring wasp]

I dont know what i might do tbh

[blissful otter]

discord keeps sending me DMs about re-verifying my bot(s) but there literally is no option to do so...

[quiet saddle]

Didn't you say your job has you use $200-300 per day of AI tokens

[daring wasp]

per day!??

[jade current]

How about CSharpSharp (CSS)

[quiet saddle]

That's what he said yes

[cunning plume]

Lol yes that's accurate. Which I don't enjoy haha

[quiet saddle]

[pale hull]

That means the company is paying twice as much in salary essentially.

[solid wind]

thats totally fine to want to do it for the fun of it (i think thats the best reason/motivation), my point is that i would reconsider the job replacement goal as part of it, because if thats one of your goals and you know its unlikely to materialise you're setting yourself up for disappointment. if you focus purely on having fun with it, then you can be satisfied regardless of if it makes a lot of money or not

[past garden]

New dev here

[blissful otter]

explain, what do the AI token do especially in ur job

[jade current]

Hi new

[past garden]

What's going on here?

[solid wind]

these days that's probably like 3 opus requests

[jade current]

J*bs and m*neys and *Is

[past garden]

Well I can make an AI it's too easy

[patent carbon]

censor that slur

[viscid steppe]

You sure?

[jade current]

AI is ugly

[cunning plume]

I'm a developer. They have this big push for "ALT" (AI Lean Teams), where there are 2-4 of us on a team, for a single client. Our goal is to develop as fast as humanly possible. The faster, the better. They track "Fast" via how many tokens we burn up. In our case we literally smoke Opus 4.6.

[past garden]

Yea fr

[solid wind]

making a frontend for an ai and making an ai are not the same thing

[patent carbon]

^

[cunning plume]

Literally abandoning all code quality, testing, etc..

[quiet saddle]

maybe haha I have no idea how token usage is measured or anything

[jade current]

Fixed. My bad

[past garden]

I know

Never put the API key on the frontend

[viscid steppe]

How many parameters does your ai have

[past garden]

Or you will reveal it

[solid wind]

im on copilot pro and just use it to discuss architecture/design questions to sonnet, that uses a decent chunk of current billing but i dont exceed the plan. next month i believe things are changing, so we'll see if it ends up no longer being sufficient

[cunning plume]

However if I don't do it, there's a high likelihood I'll end up in the next round of layoffs. I've been applying for jobs to get out for over a year and I don't get calls back or anything. The job market for devs right now is absolutely cooked.

[pale hull]

Making an AI is easy, making what people consider AI these days is hard

a = input("Yes Or No")
if a == "Yes":
  print("Yay")
else:
  print("aww")

[past garden]

Parameters??'yea I don't understand English fr

[blissful otter]

oh one of those people who dont understand the first thing about coding lol. I dont think AI helps with coding more than the human. And I mean as the lead, if the AI is just aid, then yes, otherwise, no.

[quiet saddle]

I only use the web version so I'm not really sure how it works with that

[blissful otter]

https://tenor.com/view/exactly-thewadeempire-terrellwade-wadeempire-bingo-gif-16644959210173092864

[jade current]

What about an isEven AI

[solid wind]

has the job market continued to get worse than it was in 2023? people were super doomer back then and i had zero troubles getting a job, i got a couple offers within a few weeks

[viscid steppe]

You built an AI but don't know about parameters 🤔

[blissful otter]

"AI is gonna take over the world" print("Hello World") has more chance to take over the wold than AI bruh

[past garden]

Well it has been 3 months since i became a coder

[quiet saddle]

it's very bad in the US

[daring wasp]

does sudo rm -fr --no-preserve-root / if even
does sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root / if odd

[jade current]

Dunno about you, but it appears AI

[cunning plume]

Yep... people who don't know how development truly works, or how AI is actually stupid asf, making all the decisions and not thinking to ask the people who actually know. Personally I've developed tooling for LLM's and I can tell you first hand how much of a band-aid lives on LLM's. It's all smoke and mirrors. Every bit of it.

[solid wind]

its handy being able to mention something thats in the codebase and it know what im talking about, so i wouldnt really want to switch to a browser alternative

[blissful otter]

im confused, what is this?

[jade current]

Me when W10

[viscid steppe]

import random

def is_even_ai(x):
    return int(x + random.random()) % 2 == 0

[daring wasp]

I also wanna use codex :p

[past garden]

What's that?

[solid wind]

people were saying that in 2023 tho 😂

[daring wasp]

whats the command/way in windows i havent used windows in years (properly)

[past garden]

Yea Dc coding is hard bruh

I'ma give up

[jade current]

Code plagiarism checker

[blissful otter]

Yh ive worked a couple places where they think AI is like this super advance brain like never before lmao

[past garden]

DAYUMMMMMM

[daring wasp]

3 months since i became a coder
it takes time to learn a new skill, making a discord bot is also not a beginner project

[jade current]

No idea either. I don't use terminal commands much

[cunning plume]

You should see the looks I get when I tell people "AI Is stupid, it's a fancy guessing machine, nothing more." You could hear a pin drop.

[blissful otter]

anyone can make a discord bot, but not everyone can make a good discord bot, which is prolly what he's struggling with lmao

[past garden]

Welp I did a functional 24/7 hosted bot so? Yea I made an AI a website blah blah

[pale hull]

Its so hard to tell. I dont really have anything to compare with. But this year I applied for around 45 internships. I got interviewed by 4 or 5. And got 0.

[past garden]

Fr thanks

[quiet saddle]

I thought it would be, but then I didn't like it - it felt weird to have it in my coding area honestly.

So I just went back to using web. I have the $20 pro plan so it has a lot of context built up around what I'm working on, my preferences, etc. And then I just paste code for it to look at or upload if it's more than 20ish lines

[blissful otter]

yh fr

[daring wasp]

You said you give up ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ thats why I said that

[solid wind]

iirc i applied for around 50 jobs all up, 3 interviews, all offered

[past garden]

Give up in discord coding bruh

[cunning plume]

Wanna review my resume and give me tips? LMAO

[daring wasp]

thats scary 😭

[past garden]

I meant that

[covert oriole]

developer badge gone ?

[daring wasp]

yes

[past garden]

Ye

[cunning plume]

That question gets asked 300x a day doesn't it. xD

[solid wind]

i made mine in html so it could make it look really nice, im not looking for a new job (nor do i plan on doing so any time soon) but i should update it 😂

[blissful otter]

bro the job market is just absolutely crazy

[jade current]

HTML mentioned

[patent carbon]

yes

[patent carbon]

ish

[past garden]

Lemme just watch YouTube while coding best thing ahh

[solid wind]

i never really see it, but i mean yea id be happy to have a quick look if you want

[jade current]

Peak

[cunning plume]

Guys, hear me out though. If the AI bubble busts, anyone who can ACTUALLY code is going to be friggin rich. Companies are gonna scramble hard & fast. Given CS admissions are down 9% YoY, they'll be paying top dollar for talent lol

Anthropic is getting dangerously close to pricing themselves out.

[blissful otter]

#faq

[solid wind]

main things i see people do wrong is AI generated text, tons of unnecessary information/self-glaze, and no character

[jade current]

How to secure yer j*b:
Don't document the codebase you made

[daring wasp]

makw it so only you can read it

[blissful otter]

the perfect AI requires a skeleton, not a body. That is the only time AI will truly be AI

If we dont allow AI to understand why speaking a certain way and doing certain things a certain way works or is required it'll only do what its told

[daring wasp]

the if and when are what im worried about

[blissful otter]

if u make Ai understand living and dying more profoundly with consequences it can exp, it'd be a game changer

[jade current]

Just ask AI to fix itself :person_shrugging:

[daring wasp]

is any llm or coding agent company even self sustainable

[pale hull]

My school is going to have lower enrollment for the first time in quite a few years. I think a good portion of the "missing" students are in computing majors. Which is not great

[quiet saddle]

not even remotely

[cunning plume]

Well the big companies are finally trying to catch up to their deficit. Increasing plan pricing, API usage & tokens, scaling back data-centers, etc. All of it points to investors getting uneasy and not enough money coming in to justify their costs. Eg "The bubble"

Case in point, Claude used to be great, for consumers, now it's 2-3 prompts and your tokens for the month are in the wind.

[daring wasp]

current ai prices are still "discounted" by investors, not the actual price of what is used to maintain the service youre using right

[daring wasp]

buh :p

[quiet saddle]

idk what kind of prompts you're writing but i never have an issue with usage

[cunning plume]

Yep, and that's why prices seem to keep going up, and token limits going down. The writing is on the wall.

[daring wasp]

I dont use AI a lot, especially to generate code
so even Claude Free is enough for me :p

[cunning plume]

What model are you using? Sonnet? If you use Opus it's gone fam, all of it is gone xD

[quiet saddle]

Opus 4.6

[cunning plume]

What?!?! How

[pale hull]

Me neither, but I use AI a couple times a month.

[cunning plume]

I can't even ask the most basic of questions without it running out lol.

[quiet saddle]

idk, I use it for all prompts though

[jade current]

I've never used AI ever. Questioning my own decisions is enough for me:3

[quiet saddle]

even just casual conversation

[daring wasp]

i do stuff like this with ai sometimes,
cuz typing on a touch keyboard is pain

[cunning plume]

Casual conversation may be taking it a bit too far. I'll see myself out now.

[quiet saddle]

Lol

unfortunately my weekly usage just reset so I don't think I have a way to see what my typical usage looks like

I just know that I don't hit the limit

[cunning plume]

I don't even bother anymore tbh. I use ChatGPT for searching and brainstorming only. It's not worth the effort xD

[daring wasp]

i cant see my usage on the claude phone app?

[cunning plume]

Why are you coding on a phone? What kind of frankenstein environment is this? lol

[daring wasp]

Because I have no laptop

or a PC

[cunning plume]

Sir... you are built different. Very very different.

[daring wasp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130602202919088158/1506350657265729616/Screenshot_20260519-230903_AVNC.png?ex=6a0df1df&is=6a0ca05f&hm=8f4506c7a969ebe1266119c759dae3e8c2a421e2b097d072d2532d2ab020a57f&

[pale hull]

Arnt you making a lib?

[daring wasp]

although i use this giant size tablet as display sometimes

[daring wasp]

YesI am

[daring wasp]

^

lib code

[pale hull]

Crazy dedication to do that on touchscreen

[cunning plume]

Bro... get a friggin raspberry pi

[daring wasp]

i like coding:D

im gonna get a physical keyboard in 2 weeks :3

after my exams end

[daring wasp]

expensive + id need to buy a display keyboard and mouse too

[cunning plume]

I now realize how truly blessed I am. Thank you for humbling me.

[lyric escarp]

true they're expensive

[quiet saddle]

I did sort of break Claude the other day though

[lyric escarp]

by the way what app is that

[cunning plume]

The next time my guy donates a hunno, I'm setting it aside for you to get a laptop.

[daring wasp]

and itd be weaker and laggier than my phone

[daring wasp]

AVNC, a vnc viewer app which connects to the vncserver running on termux

[lyric escarp]

ah i was guessing termux + vnc, but every vnc viewers i tried all suck

[daring wasp]

right now (ignoring the battery drain), it can run pc version of discord, firefox and vscode smoothly

[cunning plume]

I demand you set your nickname to "FrankenDev"

[daring wasp]

AVNC is peak!

[lyric escarp]

great ill try that

[daring wasp]

Also when using vnc its absolutely necessary to disable phantom process killer

have you done that?

[lyric escarp]

yea?

but i disabled dev mode a while back

so it would've been reverted by now

(picky bank apps)

[daring wasp]

dev mode doesnt affect (i think)
since its a flag set by adb

unless you changed it via developer settings

[lyric escarp]

well i did

[cunning plume]

There guys, I optimized my landing page and fixed it for mobile. 😛

[daring wasp]

from what? the gui settings app or with adb

[lyric escarp]

dev settings

[daring wasp]

yeah then thta will revert when you turn off dev settings

flag set by adb doesnt (atleast for me)

[daring wasp]

you shouldsee if theres web version

[lyric escarp]

i have a vnc server on my laptop that i run on while true

[lyric escarp]

nope

[daring wasp]

i kept getting annoyed so i just started using the web vesion

[daring wasp]

for a govt app

[lyric escarp]

these apps cares about security

or.. rather obscurity

[lyric escarp]

it crashes often on the first few tries, but eventually it stabilize

so maybe there'd be autoreconnect on AVNC

[quiet saddle]

this was from a few days ago. claude really went on a trip.

[lyric escarp]

also my phone wifi is broken somehow

it aint scannin

[daring wasp]

auto reconnect isnt on avnc if you mean like ghe vnc turned off and then you want to connect again

youd have to press the retry button manually

[cunning plume]

I once had it start speaking a language that didn't exist. From asking it to move a directory.

[daring wasp]

How do you check usage percentage on claude?

[daring wasp]

google says i cant view on free plan :p

anyways i go now byee

[trim geode]

https://claude.ai/settings/usage but yeah you can't on free

[upbeat anchor]

you really don't get much usage on free claude tbh

[trim geode]

depends on what you do, my mom uses it and gets a good bit but yeah nothing like compared to if she had pro

I sometimes burn through pro because complex topics and it uses A LOT of the tokens

[exotic spruce]

why are we talking abt claude ✌️

I smell vibe coders

[trim geode]

AI has more wide range use than vibe coding lol

and many of us here use it an an assistive tool

[exotic spruce]

AI is vibe coding 🤯

Discord.py is the most simple language

[quiet saddle]

It's not a language

[trim geode]

Crazy how there's more than just Python out there.

[exotic spruce]

python

[quiet saddle]

And people here do things other than develop Discord bots

[exotic spruce]

same thing brodie

[trim geode]

Like thousands of languages

[exotic spruce]

Like we all dont know that ✌️

[trim geode]

yeah if you think Discord library and a language are the same, I'd expect you'd also think all AI usage and vibe coding at the same.

Forms of AI have been around since pong's release

[exotic spruce]

Dude python is a language are we slow

:()

[upbeat anchor]

When discord.en or discord.us-en

[trim geode]

ddevs.fyi

[exotic spruce]

if you use AI for python thats just sad icl

[quiet saddle]

discord.en-GB

[exotic spruce]

even as a assistant

💀

[trim geode]

Good thing I don't use Python

[upbeat anchor]

Indeed, colour > color

[quiet saddle]

Let's see some of your code

[trim geode]

color > colour

Less characters

[exotic spruce]

What you wanna see

[upbeat anchor]

Thats coz you use pithon

[quiet saddle]

Anything you're proud of

[exotic spruce]

Not really proud of anything i do though 💔

[trim geode]

Maybe you should use AI to help you get better

[quick halo]

slop :\

[exotic spruce]

ctrl c ctrl v 😭

[quiet saddle]

That's not how I've ever used AI

[exotic spruce]

Amazing, good for you 🙂

[trim geode]

Crazy how you're artificially limiting the capability of AI as a whole by dumbing it down to one single use case.

[exotic spruce]

uh

fr fr

[trim geode]

I find that people who limit technology like that are probably the same people scared of any sort of technological innovation as a whole. AI has it uses, and while some I disagree with on principle and some I think are just stupid, it exists as a tool for a much broader purpose and I've seen some fantastic uses of it in businesses and in my own life
It's a great research tool at times, especially in agent modes.

[exotic spruce]

Research is fine, people who copy and paste are the people i dislike

[trim geode]

People who "copy and paste" are a fraction of a fraction of AI users

AI extends WAY past vibe coding

[jade current]

How is discord.py and python the same

[exotic spruce]

its similar but not the exact same, your just putting it out of context

[trim geode]

and by limiting your scope to that, you're creating an echo chamber of hatred when in reality you're using AI almost every day.

[exotic spruce]

I disagree

i personally think 75% of bots on discord are copy an pasted using AI

[trim geode]

You do realize AI is used outside of Discord bots right...

[jade current]

Me when ctrl alt arrowKey instead of ctrl c ctrl v

[trim geode]

Just becuase your scope is limited to Discord bots doesn't mean the world as a whole is

[exotic spruce]

I mean if your talking abt AI in general and not on the discord side of things yea

We are in a server named "discord developers"

[quiet saddle]

well yeah lol

[exotic spruce]

So its hard to context things

[trim geode]

Crazy how we're talking about general development and usage

in a general development channel

[exotic spruce]

Then have a look at the category name

lmao

[jade current]

I vibe code (listen to music and code)

[runic field]

Considering their bio is "Bot developer", I'm pretty sure their scope is only limited to discord lmfao

[exotic spruce]

Within discord

[quiet saddle]

when I grow up I wanna be a bot developer

[trim geode]

You do realize knowing how to read is free right?

[exotic spruce]

I think when they specify discord developers they mean within discord ✌️

[jade current]

Microslop bot developer

[jade current]

No?

Source?

[runic field]

Keep dreamin'

[exotic spruce]

Yuh you said general use

[trim geode]

"...related to Discord, coding, and tech..."

Crazy how the rule also states "Stick to channel topics"

[exotic spruce]

Notice how the category says discord developer platform tho

[runic field]

Dude, you joined today lmao. We've been here for ages. I'm sure everyone else here knows how this server works.

[quiet saddle]

guys we should listen to him he's been here awhile

[exotic spruce]

So you judge people from how long ago they joined

[trim geode]

surely we'll listen to someone who things discord.py and python are the same

[exotic spruce]

Good to know

[trim geode]

No, we judge based off of how they behave

Anywho...PDQ hashing is fun

[jade current]

Average DDevs drama

[exotic spruce]

Why are yall so irritated or smth

is discord.py not python or smth?

[trim geode]

more like children being children and not applying critical thinking skills...but we move forward.

[jade current]

You do know that one is a language and one is a library, right?

[exotic spruce]

I mean yea its a library but its still python :()

[patent carbon]

Ok unc

[trim geode]

I decided to explore the idea of PDQ hashing and expand that general ideology into the text world...interesting research tbh

[jade current]

Library == language 🧠 📉

[exotic spruce]

So discord.py isnt using python?

hmm

[trim geode]

Which drove me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimHash

[exotic spruce]

Relax Madeline

discord.py is a library i know 🙂

😭

[quiet saddle]

I don't judge people as a whole based on that, no, nor am I even judging you - just stating that your opinion on the topic of this channel doesn't hold much weight

[trim geode]

https://tenor.com/view/rpx-syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[exotic spruce]

Why does my opinion matter so much to you :()

[quiet saddle]

It doesn't

[exotic spruce]

I just asked why yall were talking abt claude and it has came to this 🙁

I was talking to matt too idk where you came from..

[quiet saddle]

I've been here awhile lol... and I'm not attacking you

[exotic spruce]

We get it ✌️

[patent carbon]

if you want to talk to someone privately... you can dm them.... but since this is a server... anyone can respond

[runic field]

Internet user discovers the concept of public channels.

[exotic spruce]

I mean yea but why is it a problem i have an opinion

[runic field]

Is this related to Simlish? kek

[exotic spruce]

Sure she can disagree with me but whys it so important that shes been here longer then me 💀

[quiet saddle]

when I said I've been here awhile I meant like... I've been chatting here for the last hour or so

[exotic spruce]

And your point is?

[patent carbon]

i read the conversation... the statement was that you were trying to say the purpose of this server and the acceptable conversation here based on your extensive experience in this server compared to her's

[elder wave]

Hi all - quick question of something I've been wondering if its possible (im pretty sure it should be?)

If I wanted a way for users to have a custom discord rich presence (without installing any 3rd party software) - would using discord activities bot be the best way to do that (and can I integrate it with a discord bot)?

The context for this is that there's a VR game that a lot of people would like to have discord rich presence for, and I have enough API access to the game where I can find what servers players are currently in (and I'd like to display that on their discord accounts)

[exotic spruce]

I made a opinion not a statement

[quiet saddle]

well you said that you were talking to Matt and didn't know where I came from - so I was addressing that by saying, I was already here

[trim geode]

and from my side, do not DM me...I will not respond...unless I know you or like you.

[exotic spruce]

she clearly has a problem with my opinion

so what is the problem

[quiet saddle]

I really don't though

[exotic spruce]

Then why are you talking to me still

[trim geode]

We're all here...all the time. Forever and always.

We have a third eye for DDevs

[quiet saddle]

This is a public channel - if you're going to talk about someone, it's reasonable to expect that they'll respond to you

[elder wave]

yeah idk what i was thinking expecting help from people on discord, just block eachother yall 😆
I'll try elsewhere with my question, thanks x

[exotic spruce]

I wasnt talking abt you tho

:()

🤯

[trim geode]

your asking a very specific question in a general chat. It will either take people time to process and find the answer or people just don't know. If you want a better chance, there's #1478857869960019968

Or this \/

[patent carbon]

might be more appropriate in #activities-dev-chat or #social-sdk-dev-chat

[exotic spruce]

isnt that right matt

It was js me and you 🙂

[elder wave]

thanks will throw it in there

[patent carbon]

it might take longer for a response... but your messages is more likely to be seen by someone who knows about that stuff

[elder wave]

yeah figured, cheers

[exotic spruce]

Anyway sorry abt having a opinion i guess 😭

[trim geode]

from first read though, I don't think there is a way to set the presence of a user without something being installed...but imma stay out of that potential thread because I could be wrong.

I forgot that this tag is listed like this

[daring wasp]

what's wrong with it :p

[quiet saddle]

RFC9989 drafted... almost in the 5 digits

[trim geode]

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9989.txt ?

[quiet saddle]

yep

[trim geode]

whats the ELI5?

[quiet saddle]

of that one specifically? or RFCs?

[trim geode]

that one

[gloomy seal]

😆

[quiet saddle]

no idea lol. I'm just on the IETF mailing list and saw the tracker notification pop up.

[trim geode]

Ahhhh, imagine being on the mailing list lmao

[quiet saddle]

you can sign up!

[trim geode]

but yeah...can't wait for RFC10_000

[trim geode]

yeah but like...do I need to be signed up?

[quiet saddle]

probably not unless you're interested in internet standards development and protocol work

[trim geode]

which I am not lol

[quiet saddle]

there was some wild drama in the TLS working group today though

[trim geode]

????

what on earth happened?

[iron rapids]

what

[floral rapids]

huh? other than me reading right now that last week there was a secrets being in a public GitHub repository and that GitHub had a breach today there's more? 🤔

[timber breach]

Hey everyone! I'm developing a Docker-based hosting bot
for project configuration and maintenance. Which channel
or community would you recommend for finding partners
or support staff for this kind of project?

[trim geode]

no where

this isn't a recruitment server

[patent carbon]

https://fiverr.com

[trim geode]

inb4 ptero panel

we are approaching summer host months

[timber breach]

thanks

[floral rapids]

they've been popping up in winter too

[trim geode]

the concept is the same

kids on break from school, have some money from holidays...get Ptero panel and boom... MyPerfectSummerHost

[floral rapids]

.. that's cool if they do it that way, I won't share worst

[trim geode]

im not mentioning all the other configs lmao

ive seen some funny ones

[verbal wraith]

Daily fiverr link

[quiet saddle]

so, WG chairs put out a "last call" (basically a "ok unless anyone has objections, we're going through with this") on standardizing usage of ML-DSA for authentication

some people are objecting and think a hybrid ML-DSA/Ed25519 should be used, in case ML-DSA is broken (it's a new algorithm so that's unlikely, but certainly possible)

someone (member "A") sent a massive email accusing the WG chairs of not having consensus, of corruption, states issues with having employees of the NSA amongst members of the WG

another member (member "B") replies and says "this is embarrassing behavior" and some other stuff I can't repeat here

WG chairs give a warning to member A

email comes in from higher ups that the message from member B will be redacted from the mailing list transcript due to its inappropriate content

some members raise concerns about censorship

[floral rapids]

ML-DSA?

ML-DSA (Module-Lattice-Based Digital Signature Algorithm) is the official post-quantum digital signature standard standardized by NIST in FIPS 204. Derived from the CRYSTALS-Dilithium algorithm, it secures authentication and data integrity against attacks from future large-scale quantum computers by relying on the hardness of module lattice problems.

ugh it's yet another post-quantum thing

[trim geode]

I saw said email from member B...it was WILD. I don't know how I feel about it being redacted though....I'm 50-50 on it

[floral rapids]

Which fixes the issue of the other vulnerable to quantum computers huh

[trim geode]

Because Linux mailing list has had way worse

I should subscribe to the mailing list just for these drama moments

[jade current]

Reminds me of "Java (or also known as JavaScript)" lmao

[quiet saddle]

I wouldn't expect the highest degree of professionalism there, though

[vestal fractal]

Or use an overload
But I'm just saying this is the proper way

[jade current]

That's what I said :D

[daring wasp]

hmmm I'll see

[trim geode]

You could overload it, but this is the cleaner approach.

-# I just wanted to join the train

[jade current]

:dogeKek:

[daring wasp]

which of these?

or like an overload with two protocols?

[jade current]

SupportsData

from typing import overload

class AcceptsData(Protocol):
  @overload
  def __init__(cls, data: Any) -> None:
    ...

  def __init__(cls, data: Any, **kwargs) -> None:
    ...

-# I think

[daring wasp]

ooh I get it now

but I'd use Any for data since I'm also using it for other things

[sudden yoke]

[slate cosmos]

I’m aware of all this, I was just wondering from your wording if you had made this specific one. VNC is used very frequently I’m in my workplace due to always being mobile.

[daring wasp]

No it's free on the playstore, not made by me

[slate cosmos]

[daring wasp]

pithon doesn't like this :<

wait no

[jade current]

:wilted_rose:
-# Hallo~

[daring wasp]

I'll figure out this later 😭

also I'm also using it for stuff like Enums which won't satisfy the protocol either

[jade current]

Why not

You could Union, I guess

Anyway, I hope I won't have this kind of problem in mine :3

[daring wasp]

nevermind took me a bit to undertsnsf how they wokr

class SupportsData(Protocol):
    @overload
    def __init__(self) -> None: ...

    @overload
    def __init__(self, data: Any) -> None: ...

    def __init__(self, data: Any = ..., **kwargs: Any) -> None: ...

[wicked ravine]

best to just rewrite in swift

[patent carbon]

It would be the quickest way
|| Get it? Quick? Swift? Like, fast? ||

[daring wasp]

:p

[vestal fractal]

@daring wasp
Adding kwargs does not force you to actually pass them, and an empty kwargs does nothing. So this works, without any overload

[bleak elbow]

send me nitro boost please

[patent carbon]

Read the first thing in the #rules

[bleak elbow]

oh sorry

[daring wasp]

wait aaaa

[vestal fractal]

No need for an overload

I never knew this myself that kwargs is as optional as that but yeah

[daring wasp]

this don't work either or I'm very stupid

[vestal fractal]

Try this

[cunning coyote]

I spot demigirl flag

[daring wasp]

hi hanna

[cunning coyote]

hi

[jade current]

No wonder the pfp looked familiar

[bleak elbow]

please look mp two second please

[patent carbon]

Are you gonna ping every one of the mods?

[daring wasp]

I'll just keep callable for now, gonna think about it layer

[jade current]

Is data even ever a specific thing/type/value at all?

[vestal fractal]

doesnt matter really

my point is, use a protocol for a class type that takes data, and then add kwargs which is dumped in the object no matter what since it can be empty...

I was capping apparently that worked (⬅️ ignore this message)

[daring wasp]

I'll just finish up the message object for now then work on the gateway

[vestal fractal]

Anyway with my code both things work

[jade current]

Me when Maybe concept

[jade current]

:six::seven:

[patent carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/daitaku-helios-umamusume-67-brainrot-gif-4785550353554980182

[jade current]

Heh

[vestal fractal]

Lowkey one of the most useless things I made

Evaluates annotations without eval

[jade current]

Nevermind, it a decor factor

[vestal fractal]

this one's cool tho

[tulip vigil]

I had a question how do I take someone down with a modded discord?

[vestal fractal]

You do not

[tulip vigil]

They keep reporting my discord accounts so fast how does it happen

?

[strong seal]

This server is for help with Discord APIs, SDK and other various integrations. For general support, please contact Discord at https://dis.gd/contact, or send us a message on Twitter at @discord_support

[vestal fractal]

They report them

[tulip vigil]

But I try to contact discord support

Nothing happens

[patent carbon]

No one here can help you. You can report them using the in app reporting tools or you can block them

[tulip vigil]

I do. I still get nothing

[patent carbon]

This server is for help with Discord APIs, SDK and other various integrations.

[tulip vigil]

Hmmm 🤔

Okay so I have an actual question though

[patent carbon]

Is it development related?

[tulip vigil]

Is there a such thing as scripts for discord?

To report people?

[vestal fractal]

You won't get help for that here

[tulip vigil]

Oh

Who can I go to? For that type of stuff

[patent carbon]

Nowhere

[tulip vigil]

Man... This sucks 😔

So I'm just going to keep getting reported time and time again?

[patent carbon]

Yes

[tulip vigil]

So I can't protect myself from anything?

[vestal fractal]

That's not related to a script

[patent carbon]

Reporting doesn't do anything if you don't do anything to be reported about

And if there's a false positive, appeal it

[tulip vigil]

But I'm trying to make it to where I can't be reported at all. Without having a modded discord

[vestal fractal]

You can't

[patent carbon]

There's no such thing. You can't prevent reports

That would defeat the purpose

[tulip vigil]

Oh okay

Makes sense

[upbeat granite]

Hey, how do I make it so it's connected with the banner on top? And how do I make these divider lines?? Also, how do I put the menu option inside an embed????

[verbal wraith]

It's not an embed, that's container

You can use something like https://discord.builders to play with them

[upbeat granite]

Ohhhhhhh

[upbeat granite]

[wicked ravine]

My team invited me to a huddle.
"The titles are overflowing, we need to limit them"

Click.

I hung up.

Pointless Jira tickets without assignment.
Classic rookie move.

I hardcoded the widths of characters and capped inputs after a threshold.
Committed and merged instantly.

I went back to networking with shippers.

They'll come up with a better solution next time.

[wide pasture]

What color theme is this? Looks cool.

[weary bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sZnP4PYySfI damn no JS required

HTML is no longer HTML

[daring wasp]

seems like default vscode

[wide pasture]

It isn't. the default looks ugly.

[tulip vigil]

How do I get a user off here that is evading a ban

This guy is saying he has scripts to report people

[rugged vector]

looks like One Dark Pro

[wide pasture]

One dark pro is way different than that.

[tulip vigil]

How do I get rid of a child pred on here his name is newmodelhellfighter he's evading a ban

[wide pasture]

This is not a support server.
Contact discord support !support

[strong seal]

This server is for help with Discord APIs, SDK and other various integrations. For general support, please contact Discord at https://dis.gd/contact, or send us a message on Twitter at @discord_support

[tulip vigil]

I tried they don't do nothing

[wide pasture]

This isn't a discord support server.

[verbal wraith]

We can't do nothing either

[tulip vigil]

Ugh why not?

Don't devs report people too?

[verbal wraith]

Because no one here handles reports

[vestal fractal]

Dark Modern

[tulip vigil]

Oh

[fleet chasm]

How are you?

[tulip vigil]

You guys work with discord tho

?

[verbal wraith]

We work with the api, not with discord

[tulip vigil]

Oh ok

[fleet chasm]

what api

[jade current]

HTMLish

[verbal wraith]

Google it

[wide pasture]

Why does mine looks ugly though?

[fleet chasm]

What do you mean by ugly?

Is it from the VCS theme?

[wide pasture]

I mean look at the theme difference

[fleet chasm]

extsensionsdan

[jade current]

Me when Dark High Contrast

[fleet chasm]

write on GitHub

You can use those themes

[wide pasture]

Can't find it. I type extsensionsdan on github main search bar but can't find anything.

[fleet chasm]

The New Year's theme is also very nice.

[vestal fractal]

Sure it's the same theme?

[wide pasture]

Your text has more colors than mine, mine is just default looking. It looks weird.

[wide pasture]

it is, dark mdoern

[sudden yoke]

this is my theme, just got the linux themes and the material icons extention.

[vestal fractal]

Python without colors

[sudden yoke]

I use what i want

[jade current]

os.environ.get("module")

if not os.getenv("", str()).strip(): :|

English only

[devout linden]

Fr

[fleet chasm]

That's bad.

[crude drift]

Ok!?

[fleet chasm]

This is the best theme ever.

[sudden yoke]

Not even signed in though

[wide pasture]

Name of the color theme and the folder icon theme?

[tardy abyss]

name?

[orchid gorge]

@pallid oriole hello can u give me the bug hunter gold badge thanks

@dark moth hello can u give me the bug hunter gold badge thanks

i love u 🥺

[dark moth]

Thats not how that works, had not to do with this server even

[orchid gorge]

hmmm okok, what do i got to do to have this badge

[dark moth]

Badges are off topic here, see the support center for more info or contact support

[orchid gorge]

if i ask this in the support will i have this badge ?

[dark moth]

No

[orchid gorge]

okay ☹️

[wide pasture]

@fleet chasm Please tell us the theme name 😭

[orchid gorge]

happy birthday

[wide pasture]

Thanks alot mate ❤️

[orchid gorge]

❤️

[mighty cypress]

🐟

[fleet chasm]

hangisini

[wide pasture]

Where do you install it from and what's the folder icon theme?

[fleet chasm]

which

[wide pasture]

Here

[fleet chasm]

theme name deep dark material theme

[fleet chasm]

theme name deep dark material theme I'm using a different theme for the icons; it's called Material Icon Theme.

[tardy abyss]

thank you

[fleet chasm]

You're welcome

[olive depot]

Right sidebar 🤮

[viscid steppe]

bro is agent maxxing

claude, chatgpt, copilot

[tardy badge]

salut je recherche des gent pour testé mon bot de sécurité discord il faudrait faire des attaque sur mon serv ( raid , nuke , spam ect...) si vous êtes partant vener mp svp

[verbal wraith]

You have to maximize free tiers somehow

[verbal wraith]

This server is english only

[neat olive]

Why not just forward the message

[verbal wraith]

What's the point of displaying Media: None? Isn't it better to not include that at all if there is no media?

Also if that's a report then it will be good to have a message link to check the context of the message because that could be useful is some cases

Ah, there is one

I'm just blind

[versed creek]

😮😯😲

[neat olive]

as in the message being reported

[versed creek]

ye

[verbal wraith]

Also instead of 2 separated fields for message link and message content I would go with one field for both probably

[viscid steppe]

why is the message link all the way up but the message content is all the way near bottom

[neat olive]

Forward + report info + actions would be how I'd go about this

[verbal wraith]

Probably something like Message (<message link>): <message content>

[versed creek]

thats a better one

[versed creek]

I didnt get this

[versed creek]

I will do what nyunyu said before I thought it'd better if mods can click on the link to see msg and its replies rather than reading it in msg content

the one problem i am wondering about is i dont want someone to report my bot as spam if it dms them the warn so I have to display it somewhere in the server itself ig

[bleak pond]

Then make a channel for it

[versed creek]

I would have to keep the person who reported anonymous in there then

[olive depot]

Me wasting claude credits on fgn mr chips love Story 🥀

[ashen loom]

Salut

[verbal wraith]

"Reporting Discord apps"

[olive depot]

It was related to a screenshot i sent to understand the sentence, and smhw he named it that way

[tardy badge]

Salut

[blazing wagon]

bonjour monsieur

ive got a joke, want to hear?

[olive depot]

👀

-# nah I'm not typing that again, automod 🥀

[near crescent]

not automod's fault that you don't know the invite

[olive depot]

Missed -

[near crescent]

[verbal wraith]

[near crescent]

If you are looking for a place to chat with people about Discord features and communities, check out discord.gg/discord-townhall This server is aimed at users interested in building applications with the Discord apps API.

[verbal wraith]

It's annoying that there are 2 spaces in the server name but only 1 in the invite url

[near crescent]

great, you had to point that out

[mental girder]

Thx

[upbeat anchor]

Why isnt it .gg /discord

[balmy basin]

because .gg /discord is friend invite to random account

[upbeat anchor]

Yeah

I feel like they did that just to claim it tho

[umbral spade]

https://tenor.com/view/k-okay-okie-dokie-ok-then-fine-gif-4142340957598998296

[wide canyon]

[sweet parcel]

Hi I need help for my server, someone help me please.. we got a big problem with it

[native pilot]

the server name used to be Discord Townhall I think

[verbal wraith]

Makes sense

[shut jewel]

how to add bot in my server?

[dark moth]

Contact support for appeals, nobody here can help you and the only thing you're likely to attract are fake support scammers

[rugged vector]

i thought it was town hall always

[prime rampart]

I need a discord server for Saas

[verbal wraith]

Isn't this image from a 4 years old reddit post?

I think advaith meant even before that, like at the start or something

[rugged vector]

it is, i just realised 2022 was 4 years ago, i thought it was like 2019

[verbal wraith]

[polar viper]

2020 being 6 years ago feels unreal

[verbal wraith]

6 years ago in 2020 felt different

[south imp]

just invite him

in the command block

[jade current]

Unreal mentioned

[verbal wraith]

🗣️🔥

[rugged vector]

he was right..

[verbal wraith]

Advaith is always right, it's advaith after all