dev-chat

[daring wasp]

no way it's unreal

[patent carbon]

No u

[jade current]

No, you're unreal

[cunning pecan]

Both can be true

[verbal wraith]

Yep, mydetector.ai

[olive depot]

You own unreal engine 🤔

[jade current]

Can mydetector.ai detect unreal

[viscid steppe]

I love using ai to detect ai generated content

[chilly nacelle]

is there a definitive number on how many seconds before discord refuses to embed a link? I have a service like fxtwitter and despite it sending back the data in 2.2 seconds it still timed out after 5-10s on https://discord.com/developers/embeds

[dark moth]

you will not find any help here breaking the ToS and copyright laws

[viscid steppe]

Yeah "how to bypass a bot detection for my bot"

[novel ferry]

Hello World

[jade current]

print

[daring wasp]

Does it seriously not have a warning for minimum lines of code 😭

[verbal wraith]

[jade current]

Why though. You could put a JS code in one line

[daring wasp]

minimum characters then..?

[jade current]

Minimum white space characters

[glass vortex]

why_use(whitespace,characters)+at(all).to.code(anything);when=you(dont).need(to);it.makes+=no(sense);

[daring wasp]

oh nyo

[daring wasp]

is this really valid js

[weary bluff]

Anyone knows the link of linked roles for a server? not the id:linked-roles

[glass vortex]

If those things with names are defined before: yes

[jade current]

Vibe coder

[daring wasp]

huh.

Im pretty sure an ai would not be using names like scls siso sint
would probably be
safe_class_parse safe_iso_to_datetime

[daring wasp]

scls siso sint my peak trio

[glass vortex]

I'm pretty sure ai would use what the training data used. So the real answer here is: it might if you're the training data

[daring wasp]

Am I the training data though

or Am I perhaps SoraAI 3

[jade current]

Sora[T](a: T)

[bleak pond]

V4

New version

[viscid steppe]

my eyes hurt trying to read that

why would they make the text lightgray in a white background

the text is also super thin

[verbal wraith]

You aren't supposed to read it, just trust ai that the code is ai

[vestal fractal]

siso?

is that print

[marble slate]

you can use <id:linked-roles>

similar to how you'd use <@user_id> or <@&role_id>

[vestal fractal]

ah safe iso thing

[olive depot]

Am i the only one whom yt ads don't bother much?

[vestal fractal]

why do you need to name it safe lul, doesn't it just do a conversion

[upbeat anchor]

i dont think thats what they asked, as they already used that... they prob want to either link directly for one server or specify their one to preselect

[daring wasp]

safe from None

[vestal fractal]

??

that'd mean almost every function would need to be named safe

[marble slate]

i read the question to how people would use @mentions without actually using @mentions in text
you use a direct reference to the mentionable object using <@user_id>, so the alternative is that. im sure they'll correct me if im wrong tho, thanks for pointing it out 🫶

[daring wasp]

just my utils functions where it matters ig

[vestal fractal]

you're better off checking if it's none before passing to the function imo

and what's scls

[daring wasp]

same thing.

for classes :p

scls(UserFlags, data.get("flags"))

[daring wasp]

self.timestamp = datetime.fromisoformat(timestamp) if (timestamp := data.get("timestamp")) is not None else None
vs
self.timestamp = siso(data.get("timestamp"))

[vestal fractal]

so

def scls[ClsT](cls: ClsT, val: Any, /) -> ClsT | None:
    if val is not None:
        return cls(val)
    return None

?

[daring wasp]

i use normal

self.timestamp = datetime.fromisoformat(data["timestamp"])

when guaranteed

[daring wasp]

something of that sort but accepts keywords args after initial payload

[vestal fractal]

but just so you know you don't need a separate function for timestamp, you can do it with scls too...

[daring wasp]

eh?

[vestal fractal]

Pass dt.fromisoformat as cls

[daring wasp]

siso was born before scls

age superiority /j

[vestal fractal]

[daring wasp]

I also just realised that there's already a discord library called dispy-bot 😔

gonna rename it soon ig

[jade current]

disbot

[daring wasp]

Literally my utils

from datetime import datetime
from typing import Any, Callable

def sint(txt: str | None) -> int | None:
    return int(txt) if txt else None

def siso(txt: str | None) -> datetime | None:
    return datetime.fromisoformat(txt) if txt else None

def scls[C](cls: Callable[..., C], data: Any, **kwargs: Any) -> C | None:
    return cls(data, **kwargs) if data else None

[daring wasp]

ehhhh

pydis?

pydis exists too.

[jade current]

botcord

[daring wasp]

defintely no

I don't want cord

disssssbot

[jade current]

Me when py-cord and pycord

dis-py

[daring wasp]

actually no

[daring wasp]

dis-py or di-spy

🤔

[jade current]

datpy

[daring wasp]

batmanpy?

-# is this considered offtopic?

[jade current]

theirpy

[daring wasp]

i would keep going but I think we're stretching this 😭

atleast for this chat

I'll think up a name later

gonna name it discord-py fr
-# /j

[vestal fractal]

Using C like that doesn't really make sense tho 🤔

[jade current]

C in Python

[daring wasp]

wuh

[daring wasp]

CPython

[vestal fractal]

Because a class's init should always return None

So callable[..., C] isn't useful

[jade current]

Huh

[vestal fractal]

You're essentially doing None | None if I get it right

[jade current]

Me confusius

Where'd you get init from

[daring wasp]

but calling a class doesn't call init

it calls __new__ first which returns an instance on which then __init__ is called i think

[jade current]

object.__new__() can be overriden to return None lol

[vestal fractal]

So C is the class type?

[daring wasp]

Yes then it will just return None when calling class

[daring wasp]

Yes

[rugged vector]

i feel so poor my laptop cannot open any website under 90 seconds 😭

[daring wasp]

when you call a class it does this pretty sure

class Message:
    ...

Message() -> Message.__new__().__init__()

although after new there's a check to see if new actually returned a proper instance

[vestal fractal]

So uh you don't need to use Callable at all

[daring wasp]

what

[vestal fractal]

Just use a generic T

def scls[T](cls: T, ...)

[daring wasp]

No but that's wrong

[vestal fractal]

how

[daring wasp]

You pass Message class let's say, then the -> T would mean that the function returns the class Message not an object of it

[vestal fractal]

No

T: instance
type[T]: type (class)

Ofc T can also be type but you can use it this way

[daring wasp]

instance would be after you call it though..

so you'd have to do scls(Message()) which defeats the purpose of the function

[silent bane]

y

[daring wasp]

Callable[..., C] means that when you call this thing I am giving you, it will return a C just doing C means here im passing C

[vestal fractal]

Ok so pass a class type

def scls[T](cls: type[T], ...)

[daring wasp]

true

lemme see

[daring marlin]

Any dev bot here?

Guys whats the best website to use to make my bot 24/7 online

[verbal wraith]

None, rent a VPS

[patent carbon]

This is a server for bot devs... so yes

But ya. As NyNu said. A VPS is the best way

#1478860733365354687 is all about that. Check the pinned messages in that thread

[daring marlin]

I dont want to rent

Am still young dont wanna get banned in discord so aint gonna say my age

[trim geode]

Then you don't get a server.

[daring marlin]

Bruh

💔

[daring marlin]

Ty

[trim geode]

You either pay money for the resources or you don't get the resources. Everything costs.

[daring marlin]

Ye ty

[patent carbon]

There's even a cost for running it at your home. Just that cost is more your work to set it up and electricity (which I assume your parents are paying, from you saying you're young )

[trim geode]

And the maintenance of the system and the actual purchase of any hardware.

Someone's always paying for it. It just depends on who and how much.

[latent bay]

Or you can just Host it yourself

[trim geode]

which still costs money...like we just described.

[daring marlin]

Yups i aint paying s. hit

[daring marlin]

How

[trim geode]

side note: screw using RabbitMQ or another job worker...imma use Redis streams

[daring marlin]

W devs ong

[verbal wraith]

Don't turn off your device

[trim geode]

Which still costs money to someone lmao

[daring marlin]

It turns off alone💀

[verbal wraith]

[daring marlin]

At least not me💀

[latent bay]

You can host it in railway.com for free for 30 days 24/7 , after that you have to pay

[daring marlin]

Ugh

So if i asked some1 to test my bot is that called self advertising?

[latent bay]

Idk

[trim geode]

And then you have the issue of shared IP, limited resources, and the fact that it's really not the best platform for deploying Discord bots in any capacity unless they're using HTTP interaction bots which are completely different type of bot altogether.

[latent bay]

I agree

[daring marlin]

U got knowledge ngl

[patent carbon]

He did make the #1478860733365354687 post

[trim geode]

Which means during that entire time you're going to be spending effort trying to get around Cloudflare IP bans and try to stay within limits and also trying to avoid the automatic hibernation on free accounts if that's still a thing.

And then if you wanted to continue using Railway as a platform, you're going to have to get a dedicated IP address which is going to cost roughly $20/month on the Pro Plan.

[winged swan]

i tot soheab owned that thread or was that the old one :kekw:

[daring marlin]

Bruh chill ur on firr

[trim geode]

Also should note I'm the one who was testing Discord bots on Railway a few years ago and actually brought the IP issue to Railway directly and got that information from the Railway team directly a few years ago.

[daring marlin]

Stop flexing on me💔

[patent carbon]

The old one

[daring marlin]

I need ur knowledge

[trim geode]

And if I remember correctly, and I would have to go back and actually look at the conversation I had with Railway, but I'm pretty sure they said that Discord bots in particular are not their target audience, and they will never try to necessarily go out of their way to support that on the free services.

[patent carbon]

Before. The incident

[winged swan]

yuppp

[trim geode]

The incident

[verbal wraith]

[daring marlin]

@trim geode in ur opinion

Whats the best coding app

[trim geode]

There is no best coding app because it completely depends on the language you're developing in.

[patent carbon]

Or what type of tools you want

[daring marlin]

I used to code in notes pad on pc💀 now i switched to vsc

[daring marlin]

Python

[daring marlin]

Discord bot basic tools

[patent carbon]

Like there's nvim which is just a terminal where you type with good hotkeys. Or there's VSCode that can do anything you want, if you install enough plugins. Or there's IDEs which work out the box, but are heavier to use

[trim geode]

Then it just comes down to tools if you're looking for a full IDE experience, if you're just looking for an editor experience, if you're looking for something slim, if you're looking for something a little bit more robust, if you're looking for something more commercially available, if you're looking for something for free or paid...

[glass silo]

Pycharm is technically the best one for Pithon

[trim geode]

Cause there's VSC, PyCharm, Zed, etc.

[shrewd jackal]

Bot fight

[patent carbon]

No one is fighting

[trim geode]

sublime text even

helix, nvim, etc

[patent carbon]

Sublime is nice if you just want syntax highlighting and typing

[glass silo]

When are we going to fight for that opal badge

[daring marlin]

OMGGGGG

[shrewd jackal]

I mean bot's talk

[daring marlin]

MY BRAIN NOT BRAINING

I JOINED THE WRONG SERVER

[patent carbon]

I'd win

[daring marlin]

@trim geode friend me rn

[trim geode]

nah im good

[glass silo]

True

[patent carbon]

If you have a question you can ask people here. Most people here don't accept friend requests

[daring marlin]

I got hit with ur not accepting friend requests💔💀

[daring marlin]

Ye its just he/she super smart

[glass silo]

Matt got introvert mode on /s

[daring marlin]

Mb mb no disrespect for the other devs

[trim geode]

I'm also like 30 with years of experience

[verbal wraith]

Unc

[glass silo]

UNC

[daring marlin]

💀💀

[trim geode]

Fun fact chat, I've basically stumbled into this CTO role lmao

[daring marlin]

Guys chill

UNC

[glass silo]

guys chill

[trim geode]

This contract has basically turned me into a fractional CTO for this company, it's funny

[patent carbon]

You got equity share?

[trim geode]

I'm an independent contractor lol

[patent carbon]

F

[trim geode]

which is nice since it's just part time

[patent carbon]

Oh ya nvm that's nicer for part time

[trim geode]

And that if something goes wrong, im technically not responsible

[daring marlin]

At what age u started coding and shi

[trim geode]

Frankly for the work I'm doing I feel like them getting me at $75 an hour is a steal

[daring marlin]

If u dont mind me asking

[modest geyser]

Im so sad i have to code because i cant play hypixel skyblock because maintenance

[verbal wraith]

[daring marlin]

Pokémon pfp eh?

[glass silo]

What if you code your own hypixel skyblock and play that

[floral rapids]

Uncle Matt, would it be possible to know what your opinion is, as an IT/CTO, when it comes to simply and easily teach someone under you? as in, in a way, how exactly am I supposed to teach them what is what for this exact project, how to further enhance functions/classes and how exactly they are supposed to handle new projects

[daring marlin]

What was his name g something

[modest geyser]

I mean i could write scala

[floral rapids]

play zombies

I will join you

[modest geyser]

I only like stupid grind simulators

No i will not play osrs

[sudden basin]

Fr

[floral rapids]

I mean I do consider zombies a grinding simulator myself but aight

[modest geyser]

I assume its not as bad

[floral rapids]

honestly, been playing it while coding, though only on the first map, the rest I had to literally take a shower due to how much I was sweating

[patent carbon]

You would play hypixel skyblock

[floral rapids]

yes, well for me at least, it helped relax so I was able to do a few classes etc

[modest geyser]

Yes i would

[daring marlin]

Yh this server isnt meant for me

Yall are geniuses not to glaze a fact

[patent carbon]

ATM10TSK > hypixel

[daring marlin]

Yall UNCS

[patent carbon]

Just years of practice and experience

We all knew nothing at one point

[daring marlin]

What age did u start

[patent carbon]

Like actually start coding? Like 19

[proud locust]

Ww

[daring marlin]

From ur experience which app,website or like something that taught u too much

[daring marlin]

Damm

I dont wanna say my age cuz of discord AI…. But am young

[patent carbon]

College taught me the basics then I learned the rest on my own or from my peers. I never used an app/website course

[daring marlin]

And made a fully functional 102 discord bot command

[daring marlin]

Interesting

[onyx viper]

Is this a AI friendly server?

[daring marlin]

Can u test it

[floral rapids]

mine might be something else but you could take note of.
I started as basically simply developing websites, moved to a bigger project which was VPN detection which I learned a lot from, and through it I developed but didn't finish (I will never go back to it though) a forum

[daring marlin]

My bot i made it within 2 weeks

[floral rapids]

Doing projects is ❤️

[daring marlin]

Tysm

Can anyone test my bot

[modest geyser]

No

[dark moth]

depends on how you define it. we hold people accountable for what they post. don't care if its ai generated or self written: garbage and misinformation is still garbage and misinformation

also just keep in mind that generally ai is bad at making discord bots and if people wanted to talk to an ai they would have opened an ai chat instead of discord

[daring marlin]

Mb

[night shadow]

That's cool and interesting...

[daring marlin]

Mr mod if i asked people to test my bot is that advertising?

[dark moth]

its either that or trying to pull people off server for malicious purposes generally. take your pick

[onyx viper]

How about a AI simulation game?

[trim geode]

This is a lot of words for what comes down to the simple question of "how do you mentor somebody in the workplace?" And the answer is: It's different for everybody. You could approach it in the tell show do apply strategy where you tell the mentee what to do, show them how to do it, let them do it and apply that knowledge to their day-to-day lifestyle or there's other strategies depending on what exactly it is so like if in the software development space you could always do the pair programming and literally just take a ticket off the backlog. Work it together and just be in the same call or the same desk or wherever it is together and work through that together. And for them, the expectation is that they will think out loud, they will kind of document their entire process so you as the mentor can help guide and correct it when that thought process or that logic kind of goes off course or in a direction you don't feel is viable.

Now I know for me when I was first starting at a previous job in an environment that I really had no idea and hell it was my first corporate job so I didn't even know like what the corporate expectations were. Different products in a couple of different ways just very small things that could be completed in a single day and while they weren't actually useful for anything it helped give him a baseline to know where I was at thus far and then from there he was able to kind of guide me through some of the more specific systems and help provide me documentation so that I could do discovery on my own as needed to complete the job and do discovery on my own. And that's the best way I learned and eventually took over support for the couple years I was there because for me, the best way to kind of help learning all these systems was to actually dive into the deep end and support it.

[daring marlin]

Nooo its just i want real devs to test my bot

[modest geyser]

Is this okay

[daring marlin]

Your well educated

Tldr

[dark moth]

if you mean discussing how to make one that's fine. just keep in that just like any other dev topic some devs are gona be more or less interested. so depending on who is around they might wana engage with it or not

[trim geode]

My developer policy 21 sense is tingling

[dark moth]

ai is a tool, we are not blanket banning it here. and plenty of discussion has happened regarding its use, both positive and negative

[daring marlin]

This server is what i was messing i hope ion get banned lemme read rules💀💔

[dark moth]

but we have had issues in the past with people just copy pasting questions from chat, and replying with whatever their ai spits out. that isn't welcome here at all. as its generally wrong and unhelpful

[modest geyser]

There have been a few scams today

[floral rapids]

thanks for this, this actually gave me a good idea as how I'm supposed to handle things out, thank you, I will keep your message as a reference to go back to it, so I can keep myself ontrack and not divert from the path

thanks for also sharing your own experience too!

[floral rapids]

Think mine detected 3 today

[modest geyser]

Cool

[slate cosmos]

Is this in VR? If so what kind?

[floral rapids]

I'd like to confirm the number but currently monitoring my dog

[onyx viper]

@slate cosmos you like to try?

I'll send you an invite to my server

[trim geode]

Funny enough when working with corporate I think the biggest challenge I had was writing emails and I still think it's the biggest challenge I have today because I can be extremely wordy for one and then I can get extremely technical for two so when I was working in some of these jobs and this was before AI really existed or existed like it does today. One of essentially the product owners who was always willing to give me feedback on my emails to help me become a better writer of emails. And it very much did.

I would often find myself in a situation where I would need to write out some sort of email to an end user and I would spend 15-20 minutes writing out a super technical email that could explain away any question they would ever have and explains everything in depth and great detail so that they understand exactly what it is how it's structured, how it works etc.

Then I would send that email to that person and he would immediately pull me over and say to the extent of "yeah those three paragraphs can go and then you're good". That had to be the most humbling thing because it taught me how to really tailor my emails in particular to the end user and really pointed out some of the issues that I had in my own communication style and it was especially humbling considering I took 15 to 20 minutes to write an email that could have been written in five.

[slate cosmos]

Depends, I have my XTAL 8K running standalone Q3 devkit. Android based app?

[onyx viper]

Android and PC

[floral rapids]

nevermind, it was only a single user; though that's only for OCR

[floral rapids]

nice

[slate cosmos]

Which version/Android port is this specced for? The current devkit for Q3 under app support is Oreo ||I was wrong it’s back to|| Eureka 14.

It’s a little bit too finicky if an app is based on marshmallow.

[hard heron]

Hi, i opened differents ticket on discord support but they get instant closed by CX Zendesk Integrations Service Account can someone help me?

[trim geode]

this just reminds me of silicon valleys "not hotdog"

I hate how applicable that show can be 😭

https://tenor.com/view/silicon-valley-hotdog-nothotdog-jin-yang-gif-12396918

[eternal gust]

[trim geode]

No one here can help you. No one here works for the support team.

[slate cosmos]

I’m afraid this is the developer server, not support. You could maybe try Discord Town Hall if that’s still a thing.

[trim geode]

Town Hall is also not support. They will tell you the exact same thing. There's no reason to push somebody there to get help in which they will get none.

[slate cosmos]

Damn, things have changed a lot. I had a partner server liaison who also moderated the town hall.

[upbeat anchor]

plz charge ur phone

[trim geode]

That has never changed AFAIK, Town Hall has never been able to provide live support for people needing actual support.

[trim geode]

2% Is more than 0%, so all good.

[upbeat anchor]

still not enough spamm, its hard to actualy see any live updating :(

[slate cosmos]

True, though I do remember Discord closing a few servers where some of their technical staff were active prior to removing #0000 discriminators.

Anyway, back to apps and code, apologies.

[olive depot]

What name styling font are you even using, or am i trippin

[slate cosmos]

Who what when where how why huh?

[olive depot]

You, font, now, discord, you tell

[slate cosmos]

I’m not using a font. It’s default.

[olive depot]

maybe effect then hmm

[slate cosmos]

Discord’s proprietary font GG Sans unless they changed it again.

Nope, just standard GG Sans, the default.

Maybe tripping. I’m now tempted to find or upload the old Discord Whitney font and copy paste it though.

[cunning coyote]

who dare summon me from my slumber

[patent carbon]

The breakfast bagels did

Go have a salted butter bagel and coffee

[slate cosmos]

The chicken burrito.

Boba tea was also calling your name.

[slate cosmos]

I don’t have anything enabled.

I don’t even have options for fonts.

[daring wasp]

@vestal fractal By the way type[C] won't work for this reason

because then you're passing the type (not something callable)

[trim geode]

I thought I was in dev chat this whole time

I was distracted and didn't notice

[neat olive]

slumber, eh? is it synchronous or async?

[slate cosmos]

Sometimes I wish ThreadPayload was TherapistCallback.

[daring wasp]

Eh

Wowie

[slate cosmos]

It can get stressful.

[olive depot]

Sora isn't dum anymore?

[slate cosmos]

I’ve gotta ask though @daring wasp, what keyboard is that? I’d rather not lug around a physical but keyboards like that are few and far between.

[daring wasp]

The touch keyboard at the bottom is Gboard the default on most androids while the 3 row bar with the extra buttons is from my vnc app (AVNC) though you have to manually enable all the buttons if you want all it only comes with a few

namely you have to enable all the function keys and insert and delete

[daring wasp]

no dum me feel smart

I'll go sleep now

im tired

[upbeat anchor]

👁️

[peak halo]

Kind of... expected

[upbeat anchor]

stacking users are cool too

[late pewter]

guys how do w get the badge of devc

[orchid ocean]

its been removed

[late pewter]

ooohh mb

[hot oracle]

Can I build host dont buy vps?

[late pewter]

sorry u cant u need vds

[hot oracle]

Mogodt?

[modest geyser]

Yes

[orchid ocean]

U want to host what

[modest geyser]

You just have to have the machine on 24/7

[hot oracle]

Bot host
Js

[orchid ocean]

a discord bot?

bruv

[hot oracle]

Yes i well buy host js ip host it^s web link

[hot oracle]

Yes

[orchid ocean]

u dont need port forwarding

[vocal ice]

Why want we say one word sentences???

[orchid ocean]

i mean if u use javascirpt

[modest geyser]

Read the automod message

[orchid ocean]

u can do python

[hot oracle]

How? Becos i don’t have demon

[orchid ocean]

with ur bot token

with the discord library

[haughty grail]

[hot oracle]

I don’t no very py only js or html 😘

[orchid ocean]

u dont know python

???

[hot oracle]

I now but not 100%

[orchid ocean]

Discord bot in python is SUPER easy

[upbeat anchor]

👀

[hot oracle]

only
65% for tools

[orchid ocean]

ill send u a tutorial

its just one script one py file

[hot oracle]

Realy?

[orchid ocean]

the discord library is very easy yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD_N6Ffoojw&t=1785s

[hot oracle]

Its my server for code

[orchid ocean]

u dont need to be megamind at coding

[queen lake]

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-love-hello-hi-good-afternoon-good-evening-my-love-gif-238350127312324663

[hot oracle]

Are you Arebic?

[ember pollen]

Do people really still doing these pictures

[orchid ocean]

no

im not arabic

[trim geode]

holy ai generated image

[orchid ocean]

the link is expired btw

[ember pollen]

Ai could do better

[hot oracle]

Its my still bot pro becoos fo with Ai say improve the banner

[orchid ocean]

is anyone here interested in gamedev/

[ember pollen]

I had a stroke trying to understand bro

[trim geode]

no...its AI....

[orchid ocean]

lol

[hot oracle]

Ikn

[peak halo]

Horrible tutorial for any new bots being made

Using prefix commands is already a red flag

[hot oracle]

How its 3ribe?

[orchid ocean]

yeah i guess

i mean i sent him the first thing

[peak halo]

Well if you don't have any, better to not send anything rather than outdated things

[ember pollen]

First bot I made wasn't through a tutorial or anything I just threw my self in a project and somehow made it

[orchid ocean]

and dude thinks putting an if statement for each swear word for censoring would be a great idea instead of using an array

[ember pollen]

100k elif

[peak halo]

yandere dev

[hot oracle]

Bro why it’s deleted program dev targeted

[orchid ocean]

LMAo

[hot oracle]

[ember pollen]

Bro Just speak Arabic omg I'll translate then

I can't understand a single line you write

[orchid ocean]

fr

[topaz knot]

how to remove hs badge?

[forest totem]

hs badge?

[topaz knot]

hypesquad

[rugged vector]

u cannot remove

[topaz knot]

bruh

[fallen forum]

U cant

[topaz knot]

i remove it thanks for helping

[rugged vector]

how did u- whatever

[patent carbon]

selfbotting

[sullen needle]

..

[dense radish]

chat got boomed

[blissful otter]

def think they should have a tester channel/server, would do great for what im doing rn

[patent carbon]

ehhh... a place to get testers would be filled with spam or possibly scams... this place is too big and too public

[olive depot]

For you to test, or for them to test yours

[blissful otter]

them to test

[olive depot]

Lmao

[blissful otter]

by them i dont just mean mods or staff, regular users too

[patent carbon]

ya... not really the server for that...

[rugged vector]

test what?

[blissful otter]

im just surprised thats generally not a thing

[olive depot]

No one would like to test a random bot really

[blissful otter]

test bots and their functionality

[olive depot]

Cause people here aren't unemployed?

[rugged vector]

like ace said, why would anyone want to test a random bot?

[patent carbon]

im not... every single place ive ever seen that advertises stuff like that is filled with spam... it would be a moderation nightmare here given this is an official server and open to the public

[blissful otter]

wdym, why not? I'd love to test newly developed bots

[patent carbon]

go to top.gg and filter by age

[olive depot]

Not everyone is POOF

[grave garden]

ive seen servers that invite a bunch of new bots and it turns into a mess

[limpid warren]

J

[blissful otter]

ion think its that hard to moderate. Ur not gonna be open arms, there would be steps beforehand to make sure the developers is legit

[olive depot]

My bot is mostly in that servers lol

[patent carbon]

whos gonna moderate those "steps beforehand"?

[olive depot]

Atp just trust your code

[blissful otter]

like reaching 1k server could be an easy requirement beforehand

[limpid warren]

Why is this

[olive depot]

1k fake servers ezpz

[blissful otter]

listen, it wont be perfect, but that doesnt mean its not worth a shot

[patent carbon]

and a bot in 1000 servers doesnt need testers anymore... it's already made and released

the concept is already made

[limpid warren]

Im making roblox game lf scripters modelers and builder and animators

[rugged vector]

yeah, since discord doesnt allow u to reach 1000 without verify

[olive depot]

Not the place

[blissful otter]

nah, my bot is in 2k server and def needs some testing just to find things i wont see but someone else could

[limpid warren]

Oh

[rugged vector]

u should go to roblox developer server

[olive depot]

you can?

[limpid warren]

Can give?

[olive depot]

Afaik, verification is optional, isn't it?

[patent carbon]

then add a feedback or bug reporting form to your bot so your users in those 2000 servers can let you know

the people here don't have a better idea than the people who already use your bot

[blissful otter]

what???

[grave garden]

verification is not optional, your bot can't be in >100 servers without verifying

[rugged vector]

.gg/robloxdevs

[blissful otter]

u cant join server without verification, what u can do is verify without intents but whats the point if thats the case lol

[spring hollow]

i have verified bots that don't require priviledged intents

[blissful otter]

1k server narrows down "joke" bots vs "serious" ones

[olive depot]

Source? Just curious as i can't remember that its a thing

[rugged vector]

i thought u cant be more than 100 servers without verifying

[blissful otter]

yh, exactly

[patent carbon]

thats correct

[grave garden]

it's just... known

[flat shell]

bruh, is their a dev posting for python on how to make a discord bot?

[olive depot]

Hmm fine

[deft birch]

me

[grave garden]

source: me

[spring hollow]

@daring girder no

[flat shell]

?

[patent carbon]

yall... it's really important to make this one clear VERIFICATION is the check mark.... INTENT REQUESTS is the form that takes several weeks (and is optional)

[flat shell]

do yk?

[patent carbon]

there is no new dev badge

[rugged vector]

they verify everyone nowadays

[grave garden]

verifying is not a form

[patent carbon]

anyone with a valid identification

[blissful otter]

yh but it shows on the bot profile, in "Access"

[grave garden]

intents verification they do not accept everyone

[deft birch]

without intents our bot can't join more than 100 servers so intent is important

[blissful otter]

wrong

[patent carbon]

but that access is unrelated to verification

[olive depot]

No? Just disable intents

[rugged vector]

since my country sucks at privacy in data, there is millions of id in internet

[blissful otter]

u cant gain that access without verification

[deft birch]

🤔

[viscid steppe]

Just make the bot work without them

[grave garden]

[patent carbon]

you need to be verified to apply (just to avoid spam) but it's still completely unrelated

verification has nothing to do with the intents

[spiral haven]

How can I create a feature like this for my own Discord server?

[grave garden]

verification != intents

[patent carbon]

you cant (for a bot... sorry misread)... you make a server event for a stage channel and it appears on users in the stage

[rugged vector]

just for asking, does discord bot accounts considered as assett and cannot sell it right?

[patent carbon]

you cannot sell any account, bot or user

[verbal wraith]

Technically yes

[runic axle]

the stage do u mean ?

[patent carbon]

it is a legal asset... so you can have a bot owned by a company... and you can sell or aquire the company

[spiral haven]

Ohh, I understand now. Could you explain how to set it up step by step?

[spiral haven]

event stage

[patent carbon]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4409494125719-Scheduled-Events

[runic axle]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500005513722-Stage-Channels-FAQ

[rugged vector]

so if any big company buys it it legal but if some guy buys it it’s against tos? perfect

[spiral haven]

thankkk u

[olive depot]

Big companies can't buy bots/accounts too

[patent carbon]

it costs me $10 and a day at city hall to register a business

it's not a measure of who... it's a measure of "how"

[grave garden]

big companies cannot buy bots. big companies can buy the business behind a bot, and then the team can be transferred to them.

anyone can buy a business behind a bot

[patent carbon]

^

[grave garden]

not just big businesses

[stiff peak]

Didn't know that wow, thanks clarifying

[grave garden]

(this is not legal advice, this is just my interpretation of the ToS)

[rugged vector]

well, only thing i understand bot account is nothing and if any company wants to buy they usually buy the code behind it

[verbal wraith]

Discord Lawyers

[grave garden]

hey gotta cover myself ya know

[olive depot]

Code has nothing to do with discord bots - sell it, buy it, vibecode it with gemini flash 2.5

[verbal wraith]

You are lucky

[patent carbon]

ya and there's no TOS for or against buying and selling bot code.. it's just an API client

[teal schooner]

[runic axle]

@verbal wraith ur profile is very tidy from colors or other

[verbal wraith]

I don't even know what that means but thanks

[patent carbon]

it's pretty cluttered... hard to read the text (not that i can read it anyways)

[runic axle]

where u from

[patent carbon]

you better say "Earth"

embrace the bit

[olive depot]

I found him on earth

[verbal wraith]

I thought I'm from germany but earth sounds good too

[runic axle]

no problem sir 🌷🌹

[spiral haven]

I tried testing it, but it doesn’t show for me.

[olive depot]

It does...? Or you talking about "watching" thing?

[spiral haven]

yes

[olive depot]

Someone/you need to screen share and watch it for that i guess

[upbeat anchor]

btw

[spiral haven]

i want to show activity like this if user join stage

[olive depot]

Stage should be live for it, not just audio

[patent carbon]

youll also likely have better help with running a server in discord.gg/discord-townhall

as this is off topic for this server and has nothing to do with development

[rugged vector]

why not just use custom status and u can do it

[olive depot]

if user join stage

[rugged vector]

oh, i didnt see it

[dense radish]

Your reply has been saved for translation

[slate cosmos]

By “my VRC app” do you mean personally made? Or do you mean downloaded and installed?

[floral rapids]

well this is nice lol

[slate cosmos]

Either way, appreciated. Saw it’s open sourced so maybe I could implement it into VR architecture.

[upbeat anchor]

it also means its like the only event you can get without intents (that you in a server can force send/spam)

well user update too prob

[vestal fractal]

The reason is something else as it says
Can you show the function itself

[sacred wren]

cool server guys 🥹

[floral rapids]

honestly, this is good, i needed it for role updates (iirc you do receive it from this intent)

[sinful geyser]

e

[upbeat anchor]

yeah if you get a role, this is the event

if you update a role, then thats its own event

[floral rapids]

uhh i need remove role not add

but hmm 🤔

[upbeat anchor]

well yeah also

[floral rapids]

self-add or?

[upbeat anchor]

if you update/delete/add an emoji, then its base guild update

[upbeat anchor]

i didn't test, but i dont think discord api cares how it was changed

[floral rapids]

does it work when another user adds or only self

i see

[upbeat anchor]

i only tested myself adding

but i can't see why it would be that harsh

(what is your usecase btw 👀)

[floral rapids]

it's for one of the projects i'm working on, where, if a user purchases a temp role, if the role gets deleted or the user loses it / gets banned, they get back what they spent on it (since it's a temp role)

i can see a lot of issues (e.g bot goes down, they get kicked/leave/banned), and a few things too but yeah

it's a bit of a fraud prevention (since i hate this)

[upbeat anchor]

ohhh yeah you only get events targeting your bot without the intent

[floral rapids]

it can become useful somewhere

[upbeat anchor]

bot goes down
this guys is why you should save the reconnect url+token so you can replay missed data (idk how long it lasts for) - do note that if you rely on caching from initial connection, this doesn't work well (but you could maybe kinda make a skuffed way)

[floral rapids]

i'm too lazy to do this and only rely on discord.js (not ws)

[upbeat anchor]

fair

[floral rapids]

plus i have an already redis based cache

import { version } from "ioredis/package.json"
import { time } from "@rjweb/utils"
import { Redis } from "ioredis"

import logger from "@/global/logger"
import env from "@/global/env"

const startTime = performance.now()
const localCache = new Map<string, any>()
const redis = new Redis(env.REDIS_URL, {
    keyPrefix: "application::cache::"
})

redis.once("connect", () => {
    logger()
        .text("Cache", (c) => c.yellow)
        .text(`(${version}) Connection established!`)
        .text(`(${(performance.now() - startTime).toFixed(1)}ms)`, (c) => c.gray)
        .info()
})

export default Object.assign(redis, {
    async use<Run extends () => Promise<any> | any>(key: string, run: Run, expire: number = time(3).s()): Promise<Awaited<ReturnType<Run>>> {
        const mapResult = localCache.get(key)
        if (mapResult) return mapResult

        const redisResult = await redis.get(key)
        if (redisResult) return JSON.parse(redisResult)

        const runResult = await Promise.resolve(run())
        if (!expire) await redis.set(key, JSON.stringify(runResult))
        else if (expire >= time(1).m()) await redis.set(key, JSON.stringify(runResult), "EX", Math.ceil(expire / 1000))
        else {
            localCache.set(key, runResult)
            setTimeout(() => {
                localCache.delete(key)
            }, expire)
        }
        return runResult
    },
    local: {
        use<Run extends () => any>(key: string, run: Run, expire: number = time(3).s()): ReturnType<Run> {
            const mapResult = localCache.get(key)
            if (mapResult) return mapResult

            const runResult = run()
            localCache.set(key, runResult)

            if (!!expire) setTimeout(() => {
                localCache.delete(key)
            }, expire)

            return runResult
        }
    } as const
})
``` ~~may or may not have stolen it from someone~~

[trim geode]

we flaunting cache now? hold pls

[floral rapids]

i don't want java code on my screen today pls

[trim geode]

package cache

import (
    "context"
    "encoding/json"
    "errors"
    "fmt"
    "time"

    "github.com/hashicorp/golang-lru/v2/expirable"
    "github.com/redis/go-redis/v9"
    "xxx/internal/config"
)

type Cache struct {
    redis *redis.Client
    lru   *expirable.LRU[string, []byte]
}

func New(
    ctx context.Context,
    cfg *config.Config,
) (*Cache, error) {
    opt, err := redis.ParseURL(cfg.Dragonfly.Url)

    if err != nil {
        return nil, fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to parse redis url for cache: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

    redisClient := redis.NewClient(opt)

    if err := redisClient.Ping(ctx).Err(); err != nil {
        return nil, fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to connect to dragonfly: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

    return &Cache{
        redis: redisClient,
        lru: expirable.NewLRU[string, []byte](
            cfg.Cache.L1Size,
            nil,
            cfg.Cache.L1TTL,
        ),
    }, nil
}

func (c *Cache) Close() error {
    return c.redis.Close()
}

var ErrCacheMiss = errors.New("cache miss")

func (c *Cache) Get(
    ctx context.Context,
    key string,
    output any,
) error {
    if val, ok := c.lru.Get(key); ok {
        if err := json.Unmarshal(
            val,
            output,
        ); err != nil {
            return fmt.Errorf(
                "failed to unmarshal LRU cache: %w",
                err,
            )
        }

        return nil
    }

    val, err := c.redis.Get(
        ctx,
        key,
    ).Bytes()

    if errors.Is(
        err,
        redis.Nil,
    ) {
        return ErrCacheMiss
    }

    if err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to get redis cache: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

    c.lru.Add(
        key,
        val,
    )

    if err := json.Unmarshal(
        val,
        output,
    ); err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to unmarshal redis cache: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

    return nil
}

func (c *Cache) Set(
    ctx context.Context,
    key string,
    value any,
    ttl time.Duration,
) ([]byte, error) {
    data, err := json.Marshal(value)

    if err != nil {
        return nil, fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to marshal set value: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

    if err := c.redis.Set(
        ctx,
        key,
        data,
        ttl,
    ).Err(); err != nil {
        return nil, fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to set redis cache: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

    c.lru.Add(
        key,
        data,
    )

    return data, nil
}

func (c *Cache) Delete(
    ctx context.Context,
    key string,
) error {
    c.lru.Remove(key)

    if err := c.redis.Del(
        ctx,
        key,
    ).Err(); err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to delete redis cache: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

    return nil
}

func (c *Cache) GetOrSet(
    ctx context.Context,
    key string,
    loader func(ctx context.Context) (any, error),
    ttl time.Duration,
    output any,
) error {
    err := c.Get(
        ctx,
        key,
        output,
    )

    if err == nil {
        return nil
    }

    if !errors.Is(
        err,
        ErrCacheMiss,
    ) {
        return err
    }

    result, err := loader(ctx)

    if err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to run loader function: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

    data, err := c.Set(
        ctx,
        key,
        result,
        ttl,
    )

    if err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to set cache: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

    if err := json.Unmarshal(
        data,
        output,
    ); err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to unmarshal cache: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

    return nil
}

[floral rapids]

how come i summoned 2 people when i said java

[patent carbon]

new Client().withCaching(true)

[floral rapids]

is this rust 👂

[trim geode]

Mine is a hacked together 2 tier cache.

probably scuffed AF

[patent carbon]

go

[floral rapids]

yeah i read go after reading a bit

[grave garden]

go mention

[trim geode]

[upbeat anchor]

you guys want rust code?

[trim geode]

no

[floral rapids]

i have rust code

[patent carbon]

    if err := json.Unmarshal(
        data,
        output,
    ); err != nil {
        return fmt.Errorf(
            "failed to unmarshal cache: %w",
            err,
        )
    }

i have mixed feelings about this syntax... but mostly just because i always forget how to write it cuz i dont use it 90% of the time

[floral rapids]

use super::CacheService;
use crate::handler::error::AppError;
use async_trait::async_trait;
use redis;

pub struct InRedisCache {
    client: redis::Client,
}

impl InRedisCache {
    pub fn new(url: &str) -> Result<Self, AppError> {
        let client = redis::Client::open(url).map_err(|e| AppError::Cache(e.to_string()))?;
        Ok(Self { client })
    }
}

#[async_trait]
impl CacheService for InRedisCache {
    async fn increment(&self, key: &str) -> Result<i64, AppError> {
        let mut conn = self
            .client
            .get_multiplexed_async_connection()
            .await
            .map_err(|e| AppError::Cache(e.to_string()))?;
        redis::cmd("INCR")
            .arg(key)
            .query_async(&mut conn)
            .await
            .map_err(|e| AppError::Cache(e.to_string()))
    }

    async fn expire(&self, key: &str, ttl: u64) -> Result<(), AppError> {
        let mut conn = self
            .client
            .get_multiplexed_async_connection()
            .await
            .map_err(|e| AppError::Cache(e.to_string()))?;
        redis::cmd("EXPIRE")
            .arg(key)
            .arg(ttl)
            .query_async(&mut conn)
            .await
            .map_err(|e| AppError::Cache(e.to_string()))
    }
}

[trim geode]

I'd rather have iron oxide code

[floral rapids]

use super::CacheService;
use crate::handler::error::AppError;
use async_trait::async_trait;
use std::collections::BTreeMap;
use std::sync::Mutex;

pub struct InMemoryCache {
    counters: Mutex<BTreeMap<String, i64>>,
}

impl InMemoryCache {
    pub fn new() -> Self {
        Self {
            counters: Mutex::new(BTreeMap::new()),
        }
    }
}

#[async_trait]
impl CacheService for InMemoryCache {
    async fn increment(&self, key: &str) -> Result<i64, AppError> {
        let mut counters = self.counters.lock().unwrap();
        let val = counters.entry(key.to_string()).or_insert(0);
        *val += 1;
        Ok(*val)
    }

    async fn expire(&self, _key: &str, _ttl: u64) -> Result<(), AppError> {
        Ok(())
    }
}

pub mod in_memory;
pub mod in_redis;

use crate::handler::error::AppError;
use async_trait::async_trait;

#[async_trait]
pub trait CacheService: Send + Sync {
    async fn increment(&self, key: &str) -> Result<i64, AppError>;
    async fn expire(&self, key: &str, ttl_seconds: u64) -> Result<(), AppError>;
}
``` enjoy

[upbeat anchor]

nowwww, how multithreadable is this

[patent carbon]

it's memory safe

[floral rapids]

uhh next question pls

[trim geode]

cuts out a couple lines, but yeah I use it randomly lol

[lethal pier]

is this flex hour?

[quiet saddle]

someone said caches?

[upbeat anchor]

whats the point of using rust if you aren't going to make use of it spanning all cores :(

[eternal oyster]

Memory safety doesn't imply multithreadable

[patent carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870411388475031572/1273762359814651995/rust-banner.gif

[floral rapids]

i'm still learning rust 🙁

[solemn crane]

heyhey

[floral rapids]

i only did a mockdata project with rust

[upbeat anchor]

fair and same

[quiet saddle]

export const MISS = Symbol.for("CACHE_MISS");

export type Miss = typeof MISS;

export type CacheResult<T> = T | Miss;

export interface CachePolicy<K, V> {
    get: (key: K) => CacheResult<V>;
    set: (key: K, value: V) => void;
    delete: (key: K) => boolean;
    has: (key: K) => boolean;
    clear: () => void;
    size: () => number;
}

export type CachePolicyFactory = <V>(
    maxSize: number
) => CachePolicy<string, V>;

type EvictionStrategy = "LRU" | "MRU";

interface Entry<V> {
    key: string;
    value: V;
    prev: Entry<V>;
    next: Entry<V>;
}

class LinkedCache<V> implements CachePolicy<string, V> {
    private readonly maxSize: number;
    private readonly store: Map<string, Entry<V>>;
    private readonly head: Entry<V>;
    private readonly evictionStrategy: EvictionStrategy;

    public constructor(
        maxSize: number,
        evictionStrategy: EvictionStrategy
    ) {
        if (!Number.isInteger(maxSize) || maxSize < 1) {
            throw new RangeError("maxSize must be a positive integer");
        }

        this.maxSize = maxSize;
        this.store = new Map();
        this.evictionStrategy = evictionStrategy;

        const sentinel = {
            key: "",
            value: undefined as unknown as V
        } as Entry<V>;

        sentinel.prev = sentinel;
        sentinel.next = sentinel;

        this.head = sentinel;
    }

    public get(
        key: string
    ): CacheResult<V> {
        const entry = this.store.get(key);
        if (!entry) {
            return MISS;
        }
        this.unlink(entry);
        this.spliceAtTail(entry);   
        return entry.value;
    }

    public set(
        key: string,
        value: V
    ): void {
        const existing = this.store.get(key);
        if (existing) {
            existing.value = value;
            this.unlink(existing);
            this.spliceAtTail(existing);
        }

        if (this.store.size >= this.maxSize) {
            const evict = this.evictionStrategy === "LRU"
                ? this.head.next
                : this.head.prev;
            
            if (evict !== this.head) {
                this.unlink(evict);
                this.store.delete(evict.key);
            }
        }

        const entry: Entry<V> = {
            key,
            value,
            prev: this.head,
            next: this.head
        };

        this.spliceAtTail(entry);
        this.store.set(key, entry);
    }

    public delete(
        key: string
    ): boolean {
        const entry = this.store.get(key);
        if (!entry) {
            return false;
        }
        this.unlink(entry);
        return this.store.delete(key);
    }

    public has(
        key: string
    ): boolean {
        return this.store.has(key);
    }

    public clear(): void {
        this.store.clear();
        this.head.prev = this.head;
        this.head.next = this.head;
    }

    public size(): number {
        return this.store.size;
    }

    private unlink(
        entry: Entry<V>
    ): void {
        entry.prev.next = entry.next;
        entry.next.prev = entry.prev;
    }

    private spliceAtTail(
        entry: Entry<V>
    ): void {
        entry.prev = this.head.prev;
        entry.next = this.head;
        entry.prev.next = entry;
        entry.next.prev = entry;
    }
}

[trim geode]

okay madeline

[patent carbon]

AHHH typescript flashbang!

[trim geode]

just flexing on us

[lethal pier]

im glad Im not on mobile right now

[upbeat anchor]

im just under opionion that you only should bother with rust if you need that peak perf... and as a result may as well make use of everything it can do (that node can't as easily)

[patent carbon]

huh... and none of this commits crimes against type delcarations

[eternal oyster]

I am on mobile

[dark moth]

use gists for massive code blocks

[solemn crane]

for joe

[trim geode]

Can we just have a thread for flexing code snippets? thanks

[eternal oyster]

Meh

[patent carbon]

gotta be careful because theres an automod rule that flags code / json as a false positive

[floral rapids]

i had mine like what madeline had, where i define each one by one, wasn't good imo, i think i still have it, in javascript not typescript anymore, now i use this

let me see if i have it somewhere sec

it's super old code though, 4+ years

[upbeat anchor]

you guys are overcomplicating everything

[patent carbon]

ya that's what my caches look like

[floral rapids]

nvm, i have one still in typescript

[dark moth]

i can simplify that even more!

[upbeat anchor]

LOL

[patent carbon]

caching is just wasting ram anyways

[trim geode]

but wheres your ttl? wheres your multi layer cache?!

[floral rapids]

where is multithread

[upbeat anchor]

this is javascript... there is only one thread

[floral rapids]

make a worker

[eternal oyster]

You can't multithread js

[quiet saddle]

for the example I shared I'm mostly using it to cache function results

[grave garden]

why are you not sending it off to a $4k/mo service from aws?! where's the elasticache ?! :p

[trim geode]

Bro, I just dropped $700 on an ipad setup for this business after spending 3.8k for IT ops, and another 1.1k for uSecure

[upbeat anchor]

then its inherently multithreadable?

[floral rapids]

not really but

[trim geode]

my spending this month is gonna be higgghhhh

[floral rapids]

"make a worker!!"

[trim geode]

Especially because I need 9 more of those ipad.

[patent carbon]

why do you need 10 ipads as an independant contractor?

[trim geode]

literally working on one now

[upbeat anchor]

now guys, who uses redis via unix socket (like me)

[trim geode]

This is business expenses for the client because we're working on a field deployment project for tablets.

[eternal oyster]

Pic I took a couple days ago before going home

That's a screen, not a projection

[patent carbon]

ya... i read it back and saw you said "for this business" and realized

[floral rapids]

im more interested in the s3

[upbeat anchor]

r2 cache 🗣️

[trim geode]

its not that special.

[patent carbon]

L1 cache

[upbeat anchor]

what is that line padding

[trim geode]

Golang

GoLand default

[patent carbon]

Delete() no usage

[upbeat anchor]

isn't it your IDE?

[patent carbon]

wait... so is GET

[floral rapids]

wanted to send mine, but, i just noticed that i updated the package so i'll need to restart typescript

[trim geode]

technically I haven't fully implemented them yet

[upbeat anchor]

lol you should really not use that lib - its the most bloated and cursed thing ever

it pulles in so much of its own impl for really old node compat i assume

[trim geode]

I use Put lol. I scaffolded out everything at once but I only implemented storing attachments thus far

[floral rapids]

think this is old version, but still used in prod

[floral rapids]

cursed yes

i had to hack my way in a way so that cf r2 works

[patent carbon]

just use the Bun version (i have no idea if there's a bun version)

[floral rapids]

honestly speaking i cba remaking, it works

[upbeat anchor]

Bun.s3 indeed

[floral rapids]

im not going to touch code that works atm

[glass vortex]

Why does your spliceAtTail splice at head? 🤔

[trim geode]

thats some ljharb type shi

[upbeat anchor]

i have no idea what that means

[trim geode]

oh lucky you...

[random root]

damn one of my vpses got suspended earlier 😭

because of a 400gbps incoming ddos??

[patent carbon]

oh... so a small DDOS

[upbeat anchor]

what if i just dont want 300kb (when minified) of code just to do a few http reqs

[trim geode]

The TLDR is that he is of the idea that we should be having compatibility with some of the oldest node versions because there are still a percentage of production deployments that are on node 12 for example. And I think one of his personal philosophies is that because there are still deployments out there with node 0.4, that we should still support node 0.4 in our libraries.

[random root]

provider refusing to unsuspend it..

[upbeat anchor]

ew

let me guess bro is the only user of cjs now

like esm only libs >>>>>

[trim geode]

So when he took over the Traverse library, he increased its size by a crap ton because he decided that for future proofing it should have compatibility layers across the board which just so happened to include 90% of the new dependencies being his own packages.

[upbeat anchor]

[trim geode]

Which some people suspect is a way to get more money because he increases his download size by a crap ton as well. Because if the Traverse package which may get for example 20 million downloads installs this other package of his then that package also gets 20 million downloads. So now he has 40 million downloads added to his install count per month.

[upbeat anchor]

very fire

[trim geode]

for context...

[upbeat anchor]

i broke bundlephobia

[trim geode]

prior to harb btw

[upbeat anchor]

...

why does it not support esm

this sounds like the simplest lib ever

[trim geode]

That was last pushed 2011

[upbeat anchor]

modern one not any better tho

[floral rapids]

am i the only one who doesn't know about the site you're using

[trim geode]

npmx.dev

[floral rapids]

thanks

[trim geode]

yeah exactly...because thats LJHarb...bro is on TC39 btw. He literally helps DEFINE JS....

[upbeat anchor]

LOL

[trim geode]

neotraverse is worse, but different I believe? Would have to look

[weak dragon]

loodi ste

[trim geode]

it used to be tiny...but for some reason is even bigger now

[upbeat anchor]

omw to make node v0.1 support

[trim geode]

https://github.com/ljharb/js-traverse/issues/12 if you wanna read a great exchange...

"dependency count" simply isn't an objectively bad number to have increase; that's just left-pad style small package FUD. If something malicious happens with any dependency, you simply replace it.

This aged like fine wine btw.

[upbeat anchor]

yeahhh

the hacking of npm deps have really gotten bad recently

[trim geode]

That wasn't even that long ago...it was july 2024...

[upbeat anchor]

Major releases contribute to much higher bundle sizes, via duplication.
oh so he does care

anyway

ram usage be cool

[trim geode]

yeahh, people like him are (IMO) whats wrong with that landscape and actively hold it back

[foggy owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041354379632070769/1490677796937142282/attachment.gif

[upbeat anchor]

@trim geode btw have you seen this error before?

[trim geode]

I'm sorry but there is no reason people should be on anything at the minimum lower than like 14 or even at the max 12 at this point...and if you're on something that low you should have zero expectation of support from modern libs

[upbeat anchor]

is it a server error or the bot itself ratelimit i wonder

[trim geode]

no but it's not surprising there's a rate limit there

So you can't just mass ban people who aren't even in the guild

[upbeat anchor]

i wonder, is it still ip ban tho

[trim geode]

that I do not know

[upbeat anchor]

like imagine being able to wipe out like all ips

[trim geode]

omg these comments are getting better reading them now.

[upbeat anchor]

sooo do you think its a per server ratelimit (or cap)... or the bot itself ratelimit

[trim geode]

Surface area of a supply chain attack comes from the number of publishers in your graph, not the number of dependencies. You'll find that the vast majority of the dependencies everyone's so concerned about have a single publisher.

[trim geode]

I have zero clue, I'd imagine based on the error its guild rate limit.

[upbeat anchor]

a very strong one to not be 429 too

[trim geode]

im just guessing

[upbeat anchor]

i mean ive gotten you are opening dms too fast type thing too

not recently :(

[trim geode]

Open an API issue if you can't find any documentation about it

[upbeat anchor]

it is on api docs

wow there are alot of ratelimity ones that are full on errors

[serene wind]

are these good specs for a bot vps for less than 5$ ?

Processor: 2 vCore
Main memory: 2 GB
Hard disk: 60 GB SSD
Network traffic: 100MB/s
Interface Speed: 1 GBit/s
Local Block Storage: No, not expandable with Local Block Storage```

[tight mural]

No Only 2GB of memory

[quiet saddle]

Apologies, the naming does make things a big ambiguous.

The cache is a doubly linked list, but instead of having separate sentinel nodes at the "head" and the "tail" of the list, I just use a single sentinel between the newest entry in the list and the oldest entry in the list, which makes it circular.

So, splicing at the tail adds an entry to the "back" of the linked list (head.prev).

When the cache capacity is reached, if the cache policy is set to LRU, head.next (the oldest entry) is evicted; if the policy is MRU, head.prev (newest) is evicted

[upbeat anchor]

doubly linked list
:bigbrain:

[trim geode]

Depends on what your doing. Interface speed is irrelevant as your limited to 100MB/s

And what the actual cost is..for $5 it could be bad...but for $2.5 it could be good

[neat olive]

that is a capital B but yeah

honestly though that doesn't seem all that bad for $5

[trim geode]

But it depends on the task because it could just be an IPv6 server and they could be using for Discord bots which require an IPv4.

[upbeat anchor]

github and discord both don't know what ipv6 is

[serene wind]

how much memory is required for a heavy caching bot

[trim geode]

That's a loaded question because heavy caching could mean anything.

[patent carbon]

depends on the member and guild count... and if youre caching messages

at least for discord side caching... then any other caching outside of discord

[serene wind]

for scaling

[trim geode]

I mean, are we caching a million servers worth of data? Then absolutely not!

[patent carbon]

it's an un-answerable question

[trim geode]

Scaling is also a loaded term because scaling could mean from one guild joined to 100 guilds or scaling could mean from 10,000 guilds to 1 million guilds.

[verbal wraith]

Just get 64GB just to be sure

[tight mural]

Id say like 16GB cause if you plan for it to run 24/7 its going to save tons of data

[neat olive]

this makes no sense

you're just throwing a number out with zero basis on reality

[patent carbon]

thats a pretty massive cache

[trim geode]

That is so incredibly wrong I just can't even begin to explain how wrong that is.

[neat olive]

are you sure we don't need terabytes?

[verbal wraith]

That's too expensive in this economy

[trim geode]

I have 128 GB lmao

[patent carbon]

for your hosting server or personal pc?

[trim geode]

Server

[neat olive]

they didn't say they had any budget limits

[verbal wraith]

[neat olive]

we might as well assume they can afford a datacenter or two

[serene wind]

its actually 100 Mbps, not 100 MB/s . alsop that throttle only appliess if the 24h average trafic exceeds 100 Mbps. for a bot , even 100 Mbps is more than enough. My current issue is CDN download(used for logging deleted images) speed around 0.59 Mbps, so the network route matters more to me

[serene wind]

i pay 2.5 for half of that in cyberancee

[bitter mesa]

I haven’t talked in forever here but I just need confirmation that mass delete ion thing is fake because some people are claiming it is real I know it’s fake

[patent carbon]

only 2? how are you going to get global coverage?

[patent carbon]

what "mass delete ion thing" are you talking about?

[serene wind]

oh i mean aiming for 10k

[bitter mesa]

The mass deletion “message from the ceo”

[neat olive]

I was assuming they didn't need global coverage since the api is in one region, but maybe they're dealing with voice

[bitter mesa]

And copypasta

[patent carbon]

lol... 100% fake

[bitter mesa]

Ok thank you

[patent carbon]

the only official messages come from the Discord SYSTEM dm

[serene wind]

i dont think thats needed i use memory speeping so old cache is replaced with new every X time

[neat olive]

well, that answers one part, the other is what exactly you'd be caching

[serene wind]

thats what i was thinking

[solemn crane]

one way

[patent carbon]

one way?

[solemn crane]

one to compute that

[patent carbon]

compute what?

[solemn crane]

nvm lol

talking about the memory a few messages up

[sudden yoke]

[patent carbon]

ohhh, i c

[serene wind]

guilds, channels, members, roles, emojis, stickers, voiceStates, perms, messages/attachmentts + in memory maps and the bot features

[neat olive]

for how long?

[solemn crane]

the dev bots cool who coded that one us or discord

[neat olive]

that could easily amount to a massive amount of cached data esp. counting in attachments

[serene wind]

i use sweeping for messages(and attachements) only since they are the memory eaters

but the rest is kept

so old cache is replaced with new every 15 min

for messages and attachements to be clear

[patent carbon]

members and messages are really the only 2 that significantly effect memory usage... the rest are both less dynamic (as they often dont change) and are negligible amounts of data itself... like even massive servers will only have tiny amount of data for that

[upbeat anchor]

servers and roles and all can add up tho

like with just guilds and guild messages intent, my bot got to 1.5gb really quickly (and stablised at it, so i know its capping messages to a degree)

i think it was when it was in 4k or smth servers

[hardy yew]

x

[solar lance]

Hi chat, I just made my first Discord bot :D, anyone want to test it?

[sudden yoke]

What's it about?

[serene wind]

good job fefezin

[frank goblet]

I’m just wondering why you’d even store members and messages though

[solar lance]

It has basic economy commands, betting commands, and some other commands.

[frank goblet]

Hey, what does your bot specialize in? What’s the main idea behind how it works?

[solar lance]

thank u

[sudden yoke]

Like an.. casino

[solar lance]

Legal fact: it was only supposed to be a bot for my server

But I liked him very much.

[serene wind]

to use some features without extra API calls and to log messages and attachements

[teal schooner]

chat what do we think abt google I/O shi

[teal schooner]

and like gemini 3.5 flash

[serene wind]

i think its an ai

[teal schooner]

[frank goblet]

yeah, i get that, but you don’t really need to store them for that

[sudden yoke]

I see.. i see..

I had made this project in the past.
It's called TameTail and is kinde just a simple RPG minigame system but people did suggest adding gambling related items such as crates and premium coins (for real cash).

I kinde stopped with its development though, had a busy month.. and ended up just forgetting it

[teal schooner]

how many members did it get in total

like members across servers

[sudden yoke]

About 12, just people i invited for the beta testing

[teal schooner]

noice was it js rpg in general or was it based around something?

[sudden yoke]

You know OwO bot?
My friend suggested i tried something like it but better

That's how it started

[teal schooner]

oh

[serene wind]

we dont "store" them in a database or anything, its in memory cache, so when the bot is restarted, everything is gone

[sudden yoke]

These days nothing is really original I would say.

[solar lance]

I also understand about that. I just finished a version that I think is sufficient for my bot; it's almost ready to be verified. I've already put it on top.gg; its name is LWK.

[sudden yoke]

[frank goblet]

xd, sorry, i misread that

[teal schooner]

sadly only thing u can do is try to do is to make a better version of smth

[sudden yoke]

Ye

[serene wind]

no issues random user

[teal schooner]

im currently working on a bot that has basically all features from bleed (a paid discord bot) but making it mainly free with either a premium tier or donations i havent figured that out yet

[sudden yoke]

I can try it later if you want, just DM me the link for it

[solar lance]

Note: He doesn't have a website yet, but he will.

ok

[sudden yoke]

That's what I am also doing ATM, been working on a multi language moderation system for the past 2~ weeks or so.

Can auto moderate up to 25 different languages, it's still VERY sensitive though

[teal schooner]

i plan on having a default config for automod features that have all the regexes that a server would wanna have

[sudden yoke]

That also sounds great.

Do you host the bot yourself?

[teal schooner]

i host it on a vps

[sudden yoke]

Ah, alr

[teal schooner]

well its mainly in testing phase for now so sometimes its self hosted but will prob hosted on a vps when i publish

[sudden yoke]

All my (active) bots run on my own server.
Just an regular Proliant DL360 gen 9

[teal schooner]

i wanna buy a raspberry pi or smth similar to self host bots but i dont think ill be doing that anytime soon

especially cuz my bot's latency will prob be over 200 if i self host

[sudden yoke]

Anything I do particularly runs on that thing and I have yet to go above 5% CPU usage

[teal schooner]

lol

[sudden yoke]

200?? That's bad ngl

[teal schooner]

ikr on a vps i get 70-100 ms which isnt that bad

its pretty fast imo but once i get from 150-200 then its very bad

[spring hollow]

150-200ms isn't that bad

[teal schooner]

but imo its slow

[sudden yoke]

I run an avg of about 90~120

[spring hollow]

not really

[teal schooner]

same

well actually 70-100

[sudden yoke]

I do it all on just one cable atm.
JellyFin, Ollama, AMP, web page (Nginx LXC), bots, Adguard, etc

An ping of 90~120 ain't bad

[teal schooner]

dayum

[sudden yoke]

I mean, my server has two cables plugged in but one is for my ILO and one is for the server to use

[teal schooner]

what abt electricity costs? how much do u pay per month

[sudden yoke]

I got 8 ports total.
4 are from a NIC I got with it, do plan to swap it for a GPU

[teal schooner]

or like how much does the server use per month

[sudden yoke]

Avg per day is only about 30 cents

[teal schooner]

thats so cheap

[sudden yoke]

Yep

[teal schooner]

im contemplating getting one now

[sudden yoke]

It has two 800 watt PSU's, redundant

[sudden yoke]

I do run it on dynamic low power bc i dont run any heavy loads on it atm

It will stay low unless if it needs to

[teal schooner]

uhhh is my bot on smth lol

[sudden yoke]

If your going for a nice server, look for HPE (also known as Hewlett-Packard Enterprise)

[loud lintel]

Hey guys, I have a quick question about the Discord developer portal. When uploading a banner, it renders very blurry. How can I fix this, please?

[sudden yoke]

😭

[upbeat anchor]

The amount if times people are sad that they dont get the event/old data from message delete (from before the bot started) is quite alot

[dark moth]

common thing for libraries when the bot just hasn't been connected long enough for enough heartbeats to do a proper calculation

[sudden yoke]

What..

[teal schooner]

should i like wait 5 mins and then try again?

[teal schooner]

see the actual latency and stuff?

[sudden yoke]

Spamm, probably

[dark moth]

usually 30-60s is enough but yeah

it'll fix itself

[quick geyser]

How long does it take to verify the bot?

[teal schooner]

js fixed itself got 160 ms

stop trying to send it

[sudden yoke]

It's fast, just need to follow the steps in the dev portal

[teal schooner]

if u dont mind me asking how much did ur server cost u?

[trim geode]

Verification is as long as it takes stripe (or whatever ID verification for you) top process

[sudden yoke]

By the way, the bots use very little of the actual power i got.

The server itself runs proxmox 9.1.14 and the bots themselves run on an Debian 12 LXC

[topaz egret]

hpe are not that cheap

if you're starting off a nuc can actually be pretty good

[sudden yoke]

I got it second hand, it was a steal
Just 200 euro, with the storage

• two Intel Xeon E5-2687W V4
• 32gb DDR4 ECC memory
• advanced ILO4 licence

New they are priced at about 4000~5000 depending on your set up

[teal schooner]

the price of something nice isnt gonna be cheap

[teal schooner]

well usually it isnt cheap

[topaz egret]

it's really overkill for the general user

i run my network on a windows server instance with dhcp and dns, but I don't have a proper server

I don't need one

[sudden yoke]

Yep..

I just started with an old laptop, then moved to an HP desktop pc and now the DL360

Mainly did it for the processing power, simple 48 cores

[topaz egret]

I don't program nor run enough on my server to require that much processing power

I don't do much cpu accelerated

[topaz egret]

PVE is awesome

[topaz egret]

is that pdm?

[sudden yoke]

Yep.
Run version 9.1.14

[sudden yoke]

[topaz egret]

I run 9.1.1

[sudden yoke]

Still good

[topaz egret]

yeah

I can't be bothered upgrading

[sudden yoke]

No real need to update it, 9.1.1 runs fine

[topaz egret]

it does

i have no complaints for how proxmox runs

and tbh proxmox is VERY cheap for IT people (and even the general community)

[sudden yoke]

If your looking for a good mobile app, try checking for Proxman

It can be glitchy but it's just the normal app with a nicer design

[sudden yoke]

Yep

[topaz egret]

they charge per cpu socket, which is honestly a good metric

[sudden yoke]

Have allot of them off rn, I only turn them on when needed

[topaz egret]

unlike vmware who charge a premium per core

[topaz egret]

i've never used lxc

[sudden yoke]

Ikr😭

[topaz egret]

I'm considering trying it out

[sudden yoke]

It's great for running simple stuff like a bot

Or a web page

[topaz egret]

yeah

[sudden yoke]

Or Ollama, you say it and it can

[topaz egret]

might run my pxe server on it

[sudden yoke]

Wait, let me check something

[topaz egret]

as that's currently running in a ubuntu vm that uses less than a gig of mem

[sudden yoke]

Here, https://community-scripts.org/

[topaz egret]

aha they have a netboot.xyz image

[sudden yoke]

I also run an VM with Ubuntu.

It's for AMP (game management), the VM itself runs Ubuntu server 26.04 LTS with pro enabled

[topaz egret]

I run 24.04 LTS on my ubuntu servers

[sudden yoke]

It's very simple to use it, run the script and it just installs it for you

[topaz egret]

do they use as much ram

[sudden yoke]

24.04 is still usable, I just use 26.04 for its longer support

[cunning plume]

EVERY single feature is now officially documented with docs, in-discord help, youtube videos. If people can't figure it out after uploading 26+ videos and painstakingly editing them. Then I quit lol

[sudden yoke]

Not really

[topaz egret]

I don't need to upgrade to 26.04

24 is still quite good

[trim geode]

prob better suited for #1403147433369800888

[sudden yoke]

I think 24 is still supported till about 2030

26.04 goes till 2039 with pro enabled

[neat olive]

2029

it's 5 (normal)+5 (pro)+2 (legacy)

[sudden yoke]

Btw @teal schooner this is what ot looks like, just sits on my desk.

Plan to either mount it under my desk (with the rails) or buy a small rack

[neat olive]

(and 24.04, as the name implies, was released in April of 2024)

[sudden yoke]

[teal schooner]

alr

[sudden yoke]

Just pulling numbers

I am bad at math

[trim geode]

Fiverr exists

This is not a recruitment server.

[sudden yoke]

This ain't the place for this..

[unreal plaza]

Oh, ok. I searched up where to find ppl and it said to ask here

[trim geode]

not sure where you got that, but someone is lying to you.

[meager topaz]

Help

[sudden yoke]

There are probably servers for it, but this server is purely for support and talking about it

[unreal plaza]

Kk

[meager topaz]

Hello, I’m a friend of a user whose account has just been suspended for excessive links. He is the owner of the server, and nobody else has access to the administrative roles, which means he is losing control of the server. We urgently need help.

[trim geode]

!support

[strong seal]

This server is for help with Discord APIs, SDK and other various integrations. For general support, please contact Discord at https://dis.gd/contact, or send us a message on Twitter at @discord_support

[topaz egret]

This is not the server for that.

Make a support ticket.

[trim geode]

We're not support, we can't help, no one here works for support.

[sudden yoke]

Fast Matt as always

[meager topaz]

But it won't let me log in from support.

[trim geode]

there's faster

[meager topaz]

because she's supposedly banned

[sudden yoke]

Damn

[meager topaz]

I want to know, has this ever happened to you? Because I think I've just lost my community.

[trim geode]

no one here can help bro

[meager topaz]

And on the other server?

[trim geode]

There is zero form of live chat support that is offered for Discord in any capacity outside of the support portal.

[blissful otter]

doesnt change the fact that u need to verify first. <100 servers, u have all access with no credibility, ur assumed small and or purpose made. >100 requires verification, but not everyone requires all or certain intents, so you verify those separately. And if memory serves, u have to verify urself and have 2FA on. Which is why the idea of testing applications is not far fetched.

My idea was more to allow users to invite with the sole purpose of testing it. Or go to the developer or dedicated server to use and test whatever. This server or whomever simple will create a trusted bridge to accomplish that.

[strong heron]

How can I get more profile badges?

[trim geode]