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[hollow swift]

Hey I'm back

That was uncalled for.

[trim geode]

[floral rapids]

yes and no, client should have full access to the container, when it comes to easily stopping, starting, restarting should possible issues occur, i think it's fair for them to have access to it though

[storm nimbus]

Having issues as to why my profile isn’t displaying my Spotify -_-

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[ashen oak]

i get what u are saying but that mindset locks out a lot of people who just need to get work done not every client or team member needs to know the whole stack. that is why panels exist. to abstract the hard parts so people ca focus on their actual job. it is not about being dumb it is about efficiency

[hollow swift]

my batteries running out. motorola could have some new higher battery phones. do you need any help developing for Motorola phones? I have a sample subject.

[trim geode]

That's not efficiency – that's job security for the developer who has to fix all the issues

[hollow swift]

we could optimize the phone app for Motorola to make it drain less and use less data. I used discord once and it used all my data!

[jade current]

:😕:

[ashen oak]

Matt wait wait job security only works if the setup breaks all the time. a good panel saves time for everyone devs and clients. not everyone wants to be a linux admin. some just want to run their app. that is not a crime

[trim geode]

My clients never have access to the running docker containers

[hollow swift]

The optimization crew could change the average user setting to normal and then change the creation user setting to average

[trim geode]

ever ever ever.

[ashen oak]

Damn

[hollow swift]

Do you want my help? I have a lot of coding experience.

[jade current]

No

[hollow swift]

1 GB of data man that's all my data. I'm a coder in desperation rn

[dull fox]

No paid/looking for work posts here please

[hollow swift]

What is this for then?

Why are you stomping a minors neck?

[ashen oak]

1gb is nothing when u are coding. does ur phone support esim. if yes i can show u a way to get free data. u can repeat it multiple times too

[trim geode]

Can we not promote things that are likely violating TOS of providers....or just scams

that would be greaaatttt

[ashen oak]

fair point but i am not talking about anything illegal. there are legit free esim trials from big providers. u just use them for the data and move on. no scam. no tos break. just playing the system a little

[near crescent]

yeah, stop

[trim geode]

anyway...trying out DataGrip since I have a jetbrains subscription...not sure if I like it yet. DBeaver is nice, and free

[near crescent]

datagrip is now also free for persona use

[trim geode]

Maybe I'm just not the target audience for datagrip

[trim geode]

I have use a couple of their non-free stuff :(

so I have the all products package

[ashen oak]

dbeaver is solid for free. datagrip is smoother but only worth it if u already have the sub. what do u not like about it so far

[ashen oak]

Great 😊

[trim geode]

I wish GoLand was free. I tried Go editing with VSC and Zed and it just felt subpar to the experience in GoLand.

[balmy basin]

My friend uses zed for go

[trim geode]

until Zed fixes their low power issues, it's nothing more than a worse sublime text for me

[near crescent]

still cannot get remote connections work on zed

[dull fox]

We have internal tools to manage the stack in our case. Tilt makes it easier to manage the various services locally

[near crescent]

so i returned to nvim for now

[trim geode]

feels like people praise Zed, but like...yeah I experience things that are just non-starters for me. It doesn't work well on low power, it's extensions marketplace is meh (but that's not on them), I kept having random crashes, it's go support felt worse, the integrated terminal had a lot of font issues (I think they fixed that?), and like...in VSC and sublime if you force exit the app and reopen it, it still maintains all unsaved files...Zed doesn't...which means there's a lot of potential random stuff lost.

should I save these 10 random untitled files I have text in? Yes.
Am I? No.

[brisk needle]

i have finally found what was stopping robo it was my system 32 host file and i have fixed it my multi purpose bot with 62 commands is finally awake again

[jade current]

62? :horror:

[verbal wraith]

Make it 64 so it's gonna be 32x2

[jade current]

Why stop at 64, make it 67

[olive depot]

unfunny cringe

[olive depot]

What's your bot about

[brisk needle]

i looked at bots and said i need to make one and now i got a 62 command beast that is better than most big bots in flexibility

[vestal fractal]

Apparently you should not download Arial from "Online Fonts"

Straight out of Temu

[olive depot]

So it just have 62 random commands you can think of?

[brave marten]

🤖 Robo Bot Commands

/xpleaderboard, /rank, /balance, /beg, /daily, /leaderboard, /work, /addmoney, /give, /removemoney, /rob, /crime, /codecreate, /redeem, /flip, /dog, /cat, /dadjoke, /ban, /kick, /mute, /unmute, /warn, /warnings, /purge, /lock, /unlock, /ai, /newchat, /selectchat, /chatlist, /deletechat, /translate, /factcheck, /analyze, /tupperadd, /tupperlist, /tupperremove, /afk, /add, /servercount, /ping, /help, /serverinfo, /whois, /setlogs, /ticketsetup, /welcomeset, /verifyset, /addword, /analyze_message, /avatar, /reverse, /roll, /randomnumber, /shrug, /userinfo, /meme, /reminder, /about, /role, /unrole

Total: 62

[brisk needle]

this guy ^

[jade current]

Holy sink in the kitchen

[vestal fractal]

You don't need a help command when this exists

[olive depot]

That's whole hotel

[trim geode]

bro got the sink and the oven

[daring wasp]

If all your help command does is list out the commands just use the native button

[olive depot]

Or atleast make help cmd show actual help, not cmds

[daring wasp]

but he's got no chicken in da sink

[jade current]

I see no sub/group commands even

[vestal fractal]

Hopefully it didn't come with some evil malware too

[white zealot]

kitchen

[verbal wraith]

Chicken sink

[brisk needle]

because if i group it i will have to update it every time i make/remove a command

[vestal fractal]

and?

[brisk needle]

it is boring

[jade current]

What's the difference...?

[olive depot]

He's busy making more cmds

[daring wasp]

same with normal commands....?

[trim geode]

you already have to update it when you make/remove a command...

[brisk needle]

so i just make it check the commands in the list using discord.js

[vestal fractal]

You should lowkey make ts a native feature in your library

[jade current]

Make TypeScript a native feature?

[vestal fractal]

yeah yeah

definitely

[jade current]

What if I don't like JS/TS

[brisk needle]

help: {
data: new SlashCommandBuilder()
.setName('help')
.setDescription('List all available commands'),
async execute(interaction) {
const list = Array.from(interaction.client.commands.keys())
.map(key => \/${key}`) .join(', '); const embed = new EmbedBuilder() .setTitle('🤖 Robo Bot Commands') .setColor('#5865F2') .setDescription(list) .setFooter({ text: Total: ${interaction.client.commands.size}` });
return interaction.reply({ embeds: [embed] });
}
},

bruh

[daring wasp]

What's this for

[brisk needle]

discord formatting

[vestal fractal]

use `````` for codeblock

[vestal fractal]

Bot mobile status

Not that necessary but why not

[daring wasp]

oh displaying mobile status for the bot?

[vestal fractal]

yes

[daring wasp]

eh sure probably

when I get to gateway again

[jade current]

What if I want to display a smart fridge status

[vestal fractal]

u can also do the VR one

[olive depot]

How does it show

I mean what symbol, never saw anyone with That status

[vestal fractal]

"Discord VR"

[jade current]

Moderate a server in VR lmao

[olive depot]

..?

[trim geode]

at one of my contracts I had a coworker who was bored one weekend so be basically made a VR representation of the vector DB so we could explore the entire DB in VR and tbh it was really interesting to see how everyhing connected in that way

It was a RAG AI bot so all the data was like...chunked confluence data and wiki data for the company

[olive depot]

Why tooo small icon

[vestal fractal]

That'd mean Discord has some sort of VR integration for users

[vestal fractal]

Fr and it looks like snow goggles 😭

[jade current]

VR cool, but AR cooler

I wonder if I could build a bionic arm for my thesis soon so I could help out one of my professors

[daring wasp]

I feel borwd

gonna try running zed natively

[vestal fractal]

I wanna make a pyproject.toml, and as of required version - I'm not sure anything below 3.14 will even work

Hmm

For example I'm not sure since which version you can have a method with a return type of the current class without quotes
And generally not using from future ... at all

[daring wasp]

you can do that?

just use from typing import Self

[jade current]

Isn't it 3.14?

[daring wasp]

ohh

[vestal fractal]

Yes

[daring wasp]

im on 3.13 since that's the default ships with termux

[vestal fractal]

That's what I thought

[daring wasp]

so I didn't know

[vestal fractal]

You can always update :p
My RPI came with 3.11

[jade current]

I think they meant future.__annotations__ stuff

[vestal fractal]

all that stuff yes

I don't use it in my project so I'm saying older versions might crash from NameError

[jade current]

Meh, I'm on 3.14 and don't bother/use it in any of my projects

[vestal fractal]

Maybe I should just limit to 3.14 and thats it 😭

[daring wasp]

not in my package list aaaa

im gonna have to see how to update that

[viscid steppe]

use typing_extensions instead of typing

ancient code

[viscid steppe]

just download it via uv

[vestal fractal]

We just updated to 3.14 manually

[jade current]

PIM is cool

[vestal fractal]

But we kept 3.11 since you never know which native software might be using it

[daring wasp]

if I rely on 3.14 features then my lib would need 3.14 at a minimum

[vestal fractal]

Yea

[neat olive]

what does typing even have (that isn't deprecated)

[vestal fractal]

3.15 should be released this year :p

And many libraries still don't have 3.14 support

[neat olive]

3.16 should release next year

[vestal fractal]

I sometimes use Literal, also TYPE_CHECKING, Any, NotRequired

[neat olive]

Any

[viscid steppe]

oh well, aarch64 problemo

[vestal fractal]

I don't tend to use Any but it may be used

[daring wasp]

no its termux problemo

I'll just ask around in termux support

[vestal fractal]

I use NotRequired a lot

[neat olive]

I don't use any of those

[vestal fractal]

And TypedDict

[daring wasp]

same

[viscid steppe]

i use TYPE_CHECKING the most

sometimes Any, and that's it

[vestal fractal]

Literal can be very useful

[neat olive]

basically 100% of what I used typing for is now just |

(by volume)

[daring wasp]

i use Any, NotRequired, Required, TypedDict, Literal

[vestal fractal]

Here if I didn't use Literal then type checker wouldn't be able to match between one TypedDict and the class that uses it
(Yes there's other ways to do this but I like this one)

[daring wasp]

And Self instead of future annotations but I wouldn't need it in 3.14

[daring wasp]

what's the other ways

[vestal fractal]

Hey Self is still useful for other things

[viscid steppe]

i used to use the older ones like Dict, List etc but new lsp just keep yelling at me to use dict, list so I'm no longer doing that

[vestal fractal]

cast

😭

[daring wasp]

why specify id for all the selects

[vestal fractal]

Because they have it

[daring wasp]

instead of having in the base?

is there a select which doesn't have

[neat olive]

I also did that at some point

[vestal fractal]

Yeah so I did have a base. As a matter of fact, the base also had type until I realized I need to specify the right one for each.
And I thought, why have a base juuust for id... idk

[neat olive]

the new style is definitely nicer imo

[daring wasp]

DefaultValueSelectData?

[daring wasp]

why not have id in that

[vestal fractal]

hmm yeah I could do that

it wouldn't match the rest of the style but i could

[daring wasp]

it's your style tho so doesn't really matter both do the same thing

[vestal fractal]

yes i think i remembered for some reason that one of them doesnt have id

will be pushed in a moment, ty

[jade current]

Did you type your requirements.txt manually?

[vestal fractal]

yes

[jade current]

:hmm:

[daring wasp]

pain

I'll look up what's extra in 3.14 and then see if I want to update

[jade current]

Well I guess that's fair. I do pip freeze > requirements.txt on mine though

[vestal fractal]

But hey i also dont use formatters

not sure i should be proud of that

💔

[vestal fractal]

Apart from free threaded:
Almost no need for quoting things
No future annotations things
annotationslib
template string (not that useful)
Improved errors
except with multiple errors without ()

thats pretty much what you might find relevant

[daring wasp]

not that much really

[blissful oriole]

i need a discord dev now

[daring wasp]

for what

[river linden]

I need help with my bot verification. My Discord ID/name is different, but the documents I am using are in my real original name.

I am trying to verify my bot, but it is not getting approved and I don’t know the exact reason. Please tell me what I should do. Do I need to change anything in my Discord account, submit extra proof, or use any other document?

Please guide me so I can complete the verification properly.

[jade current]

Not the place

[vestal fractal]

There's many smaller things
But yea it's not super breaking

[blissful oriole]

i got suspended on my main for SENDING 1 FREAKING DM TO ASK FOR A TRADE

[daring wasp]

!support

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[vestal fractal]

But I use it still cuz I like using latest

[daring wasp]

we're not discord devs here

we're devs on discord

[blissful oriole]

gng support aint do nthn i want a human to speak to

[vestal fractal]

But the typing changes since 3.12 are something i really need

[jade current]

T-strings are cool

[pliant tartan]

istg every time i see python code i start yearning for python... it just looks sooooo good

[jagged locust]

!support

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[daring wasp]

none of us are discord staff jere

[vestal fractal]

Well you can already use str.format that does the same job

[daring wasp]

even the mods aren't discord employees

[daring wasp]

what language do you use

[pliant tartan]

and the actual discord employees that are here are swe's lol

[blissful oriole]

then where tf do i contact sm1 from discord

[daring wasp]

!support that's the only place

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[pliant tartan]

gleam most of the time, starting to get annoyed by it a little tho

[pliant tartan]

support always gave me a human 🤷🏻‍♂️

[vestal fractal]

In 3.15 you will be able to natively lazy import which is cool

[blissful oriole]

it keeps giving me faq

[jade current]

Not really the "same" job. T-strings retain formattable variables, i.e. name and its value, in contrast to f-strings which you just get plain string with applied values

[pliant tartan]

yeah it sends you the faq via email before you get a human resoonse

[jade current]

Also variables direct to t-string without the need to str.format(), if I remember

[vestal fractal]

.format does that too

[blissful oriole]

gng WHERE TF IS THAT

[vestal fractal]

🥀 why're they planning ahead that much

[pliant tartan]

yeah not worth speaking w u

[daring wasp]

I'll check if proot debian/other distro have a more later version of python

[vestal fractal]

Idk what proot is but you can install 3.14 in Debian

[daring wasp]

though I wanna avoid it because they're very slow compared to native

[daring wasp]

basically (partially) simulating a linux enviornment with proper glibc

you can install most "normal" apps that support arm on there

[daring wasp]

do you have to manually install or is it in the package manager

[neat olive]

you shouldn't be doing anything funny with system python

[jade current]

x = 1
y = 2
s = t"sum = {x + y}"
s.interpolations[0].value # 3
s.values[0] # 3

[daring wasp]

it's proot so it's simulated

[vestal fractal]

also dont u need string.templatesomething to use it properly

[daring wasp]

• even termux is just a containerized android app

[vestal fractal]

thats why i didnt delete the native when installing a new one

[jade current]

Huh?

[vestal fractal]

string.templatelib

nvm looks like its optional

[neat olive]

unironically probably faster than removing the french language pack

[vestal fractal]

but i dont have a use to that, just like how i dont use .format()

[jade current]

French

fries

[neat olive]

source: removing the french language pack actually takes quite a while

[daring wasp]

sudo rm -fr --no-preserve-root /

-# (obviously don't do this command)

[neat olive]

that preserves root

removing system python should break the os

[verbal wraith]

Too late

[jade current]

Peeps be os.remove("C:/Windows/System32") and think it works
-# It doesn't

[vestal fractal]

can u really even delete it

[jade current]

With shutil.rmtree()

[neat olive]

would also need enough perms

[jade current]

Does Ubuntu even support 3.14 natively/by default yet

[rugged haven]

Guys how can I be an administrator in this server

[rugged vector]

u cannot

[rugged haven]

Why

[rugged vector]

‘cause u cannot

[rugged haven]

I will ask any administrator

@obsidian sentinel My friend I will tell you can I join the administration or I can't

[neat olive]

25.10 has it as an option, 26.04 has it as default

had to look it up (I'm not touching system python)

(I also only currently run 24.04)

[verbal wraith]

I hope you know his last message is from march so good luck waiting for a response

[near crescent]

why?

[rugged haven]

Can I be an administrator?

[olive depot]

Why

[near crescent]

why are you asking this?

[solid wind]

been here a week, they earnt it

[rugged haven]

Normal I mean I ask if it works or it doesn't work

[near crescent]

it doesn't

[rugged haven]

Finish us love

[olive depot]

Whatt

[verbal wraith]

I wonder on how many servers you can get an admin just for asking

[near crescent]

"let's just give this random person with 9 messages that's joined a week before administrator privileges because they asked nicely"

there are a lot where you can get admin for paying tho!

[verbal wraith]

[olive depot]

Its more like he want to become admin to get paid

[rugged vector]

damn, good business idea

[verbal wraith]

Business that ends after 1 payment

[rugged haven]

Who are you talking about?

[modest geyser]

Good morning…

[rugged vector]

im okay if my server got ruined if some dude pays 2000$

[stoic kettle]

i've got a question how long does it take for gateway intents verification
i submitted a application at 27th april or around
i still didnt get the reply

also where do we get the reply from discord team, on gmail or Discord's DM

[olive depot]

I'd accept it for a cheeseburger

[olive depot]

1-3 months approx as of we heard from people

For me its been like 12 days

[stoic kettle]

HUH

[olive depot]

yes

[stoic kettle]

1-3 Months

[jade current]

What intents are you applying for? 🤔

[stoic kettle]

my bot's growing fast and im at like 95 servers
i submitted the application at 75

[olive depot]

Ok?

[jade current]

Not even default for 25.10? 🥀

[olive depot]

There's nothing much you can do other than disabling them temporary

[olive depot]

What intent you applied for?

[stoic kettle]

for one bot i submitted for all 3 intents
and for another bot i applied for Server members

[olive depot]

Message content you mean?

Use-case?

[jade current]

Why do you need all 3 lmao

[stoic kettle]

the issue will eb that its growing fast and i cant wait that long

[olive depot]

Why not

[stoic kettle]

typo mb

[stoic kettle]

big bot yk

[olive depot]

I mean why you need that intents, for what feature of bot

[jade current]

That doesn't justify it

[olive depot]

My use-cases were clean imo:
Presence roles / autoresponder / join roles

[stoic kettle]

for all 3 one it is a multi purpose bot
message tracking, Auto-Roles, ETC and prefix commands, music, and more

its alot

i can type it

[jade current]

Prefix commands aren't valid use-case. Music is likely a TOS violation

[olive depot]

If you mentioned prefix cmd in application, you are getting denied for message intent already

[jade current]

Message tracking is also concerning

[stoic kettle]

message tracking is for message counting

[modest geyser]

You don’t need intents for that

[jade current]

You don't need messae content intent for that

[stoic kettle]

like Invite tracker how it can calculate the number of Messgaes

[stoic kettle]

oh ok

[stoic kettle]

should i remove music?

[olive depot]

Are you using yt/ytmusic?

[stoic kettle]

just asking where will the reply comes from dc team
on gmail or on Discord one

[stoic kettle]

yea

[olive depot]

Email/support ticket

[stoic kettle]

ok

[olive depot]

Illegal

[vestal fractal]

Probably yt-dlp

[stoic kettle]

ok ill remove it

[stoic kettle]

yes

[jade current]

Do you have license to stream audio? If no, then probably you should

[stoic kettle]

ok ima remove it

[rugged vector]

didnt youtube sued rythm for same thing

[stoic kettle]

thx for telling me

[vestal fractal]

Licenses are expensive

[vestal fractal]

Yes

[modest geyser]

Mmmm bean water

[stoic kettle]

ima be back
i need to remove it rn for it then

[jade current]

Beans and waters

[modest geyser]

Woah

[jade current]

There's enough beans and waters in the world to make a bean water ocean

[eternal phoenix]

Hello everyone, I've developed a complete casino bot with a virtual financial system, leaderboard, and store to buy roles and stuff. Is anyone interested in trying the bot and giving a feedback ?

[jade current]

No

[rugged vector]

it doesnt seem legal to gamble on discord

[eternal phoenix]

its gaming not real gambling

[rugged vector]

oh, u mean like owo bot?

[olive depot]

owo 🤮

[eternal phoenix]

the main idea u get 500 coins daily for free of course and try the games and so on

[olive depot]

It competes with mee6 🔥

[verbal wraith]

I hope it's not only feature beacause that sounds very boring

[rugged vector]

it probably have commands like slots coinflip lottery blackjack

( directly owo bot clone )

[olive depot]

Why would i play boring gambling instead of fh6 🤔

[eternal phoenix]

no no its not

[olive depot]

-# ignoring the fact my pc can't even run fh3

[eternal phoenix]

but i had to mention that to avoid any gambling or anything forbidden

[clear mulch]

Im making an app with ai rn

Taking yo jobs

[verbal wraith]

Good luck

[modest geyser]

MeowAtScam takes moderators jobs

[clear mulch]

Basically to make money on the side

Until i improve my programing skills

Before someone steals my idea

[rugged vector]

so sad, i was jobless before ai tho still sad

[verbal wraith]

Remember me after you become millionaire

[olive depot]

I may have seen it

[clear mulch]

No you haven't(please)

[upbeat anchor]

and honeypot promotes more mod jobs (coz now they have silly appeals for people who cant read the land mine sign)

[olive depot]

Cause all of them look alike 🫤

[modest geyser]

“This sign cant stop me because i cant read!”

[clear mulch]

Thats a sick burn

[upbeat anchor]

still dont get why people keep on appealing to me to unban them

[modest geyser]

Because you are the almighty honeypot guy

[verbal wraith]

Because you are the developer duh

[clear mulch]

Lol how do you even get banned

[upbeat anchor]

by not reading, or not trusting the sign

[verbal wraith]

Or roleplaying AI

[upbeat anchor]

i mean fair, in reality i can in theory unban... but it would set a dangerous president

[verbal wraith]

Unban for money, you will become rich

[upbeat anchor]

lel

[modest geyser]

Isnt that against tos

[verbal wraith]

That's risky but worth the money

[upbeat anchor]

i should sell ad slots... your ad gets shown on each ban msg

[verbal wraith]

Genius

[clear mulch]

What sign

[clear mulch]

Get this man a job

[olive depot]

Bro has 2 messages context

[clear mulch]

I forgot ai took it

Sick burn

[modest geyser]

Tbh honeypots work well but when the servers scale and activity grows itll add more actions that need to be done by a moderator

[clear mulch]

Honeypots?

[upbeat anchor]

hey at least its transparent to sensible users on how it works

unlike hoping you dont trip mr bot

[modest geyser]

Yep

[clear mulch]

The dev talk is too much

[upbeat anchor]

i wonder what channel we are in 👀

[modest geyser]

If she deems your message unworthy she bonks you /j

[upbeat anchor]

discord pls add delete message secs to timeout... we will all thank you

[modest geyser]

Or just an endpoint to do it

[upbeat anchor]

yeah

[clear mulch]

Device chat

[upbeat anchor]

no

[clear mulch]

Deviant chat

[upbeat anchor]

no

[clear mulch]

De victims chat

[upbeat anchor]

#dev-chat

[modest geyser]

Risky i have a new idea on how to bypass honeypots

[clear mulch]

Wth are honeypots miss

[upbeat anchor]

@modest geyser how much ratelimits do you think search api has... should i just add a cronjob for every min see if they have any new messages and aren't re-added

[modest geyser]

You send the channel name to chatgeepeetee and ask it is it honeypot

[modest geyser]

Probably strict rate limits and usually stuff like that counts as api abuse

[clear mulch]

Software engineer from armenia told me fast api is good

[modest geyser]

Just have a set of tracked users and listen to message events

And then remove them from tracked after a minute or so

[clear mulch]

Dont be lazy🦥

[upbeat anchor]

i mean that works if the issue is it being dumb and allowing messages after ban

[solid wind]

what would the goal of this be? i assume something to do with avoiding ws

[modest geyser]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)

[jade current]

AI 🤢

[modest geyser]

That is the issue afaik

[upbeat anchor]

like search can show messages from before i was intrested - so basically is the issue for messages at same time (or before) my ban or after

[modest geyser]

You could also listen to message delete bulk to verify what got deleted

[clear mulch]

Ai will save your life one day(or take it🤫)

[upbeat anchor]

if after i can listen especially, but if its same time or before im not saving every message

[jade current]

AI is trash and ugly

[upbeat anchor]

uh

[jolly meteor]

guys i cant claim my server vanity

[clear mulch]

Ahh I think i get it

[solid wind]

i think im missing some important context, this isnt making sense to me

[upbeat anchor]

should i stop ignoring bots in da honeypot... no bot deserves to say anything (well slash commands's user in my context is the actual user invoking)

[upbeat anchor]

like https://github.com/discord/discord-api-docs/issues/8360

[clear mulch]

Ai doesn't have a face

[jolly meteor]

vanity is not claimed but still i cant vanity for my server i need Nahkre vanity

[modest geyser]

Just check the context

[upbeat anchor]

basically delete message secs with ban, doesn't 100% ensure no messages exist by then

[modest geyser]

I ignore bots atleast

[clear mulch]

Know that one bible verse about vanity?

[upbeat anchor]

i check the context

i just meant as a joke should i just ban bots too :)

[modest geyser]

True..

[jolly meteor]

what

[clear mulch]

Is your name in Japanese and greek wth

[polar viper]

what error are you getting?
you may need to restart discord if you’ve successfully set the vanity but it’s not working

[solid wind]

idk what discord's architecture looks like but this sounds like an eventual consistency issue

[modest geyser]

It is

[upbeat anchor]

but ultimatly its my bot whose disapointing people

[modest geyser]

Basically the banned user can send a message even 5 seconds after the ban has been applied

[jade current]

AI is still useless to me

[near crescent]

the user can send, or the server can receive?

[solid wind]

my work is finally getting github copilot soon, funnily enough i expect code quality to improve 🗿

[clear mulch]

For someone learning to program but not goof enough to make an idea reality, good for side hobby to make money

[upbeat anchor]

oh no

[near crescent]

i doubt the access check succeeds, it's more likely a propagation thing of messages that have been "sent" before

[upbeat anchor]

gh copilot is the dumb ones out of the options

[modest geyser]

Probably but those messages wont get counted on which get deleted by a ban

[upbeat anchor]

tbf as long as they are messages handled after my ban i can kinda handle it (even tho i dont have manage messages perm anywhere)

[near crescent]

sure, just clarifying what you mean by "send after ban" because that'd be horrific

[modest geyser]

Yea

[solid wind]

when half your contracts are already with microsoft, it makes it a lot easier to choose

[graceful oar]

"Unfortunately, I am denying your Privileged Intent request. This is because we are only providing access to our privileged gateway intents to power unique, compelling, user-facing functionality, and we do not believe your use-case meet this criteria."

What is the of unique criteria idk what was they saying . All function already made if we developer apply for intent for needs and showing reviewer was reject

[jade current]

What are your use-cases?

[solid wind]

fortunately our work is pretty narrowly scoped so its not like people are gonna have stupid 100k line PRs or anything like that

[near crescent]

it's about functionality that the native client does not already have and aligns with developer tos and guidelines
(or can be done without the privileged intent(s))

[modest geyser]

Also sooj any interesting scams today

[graceful oar]

My bot is currently
Analytics + server management that's it

[near crescent]

nope

[upbeat anchor]

you ask this every day like there will be a change

[modest geyser]

Maybe something will happen

[graceful oar]

What nope

[near crescent]

https://x.com/DracoThinks/status/1849370442668359946

Draco (@DracoThinks)

@uberboyo If you would consult the graph

X · Oct 24, 2024, 8:40 AM

[modest geyser]

Sooj would you use meowtooth as your bluetooth gui

[graceful oar]

It literally too much frustrating if you reject for the intent verification last 4months

[near crescent]

has someone said something in the last N minutes, where "nope" makes sense?
if so: have you been the author of said message?
if not: probably didn't respond to you

have i additionally potentially sent something in the last M minutes that makes more sense towards your question?
if so: that one was probably meant for you

[upbeat anchor]

damn does applications take 4months now

[graceful oar]

Till not verified bro

[upbeat anchor]

verification only takes a min

privlidged intent application on other hand

[graceful oar]

Discord dev are bliterally lost their brain bro

[olive depot]

What intent was it

[graceful oar]

There is 2 intent I'm applying for verification
Message and guild

Message for my logging purpose + analytics purpose

And guild also logging + onboarding purpose

[storm nimbus]

Check your chat room logs out

[olive depot]

How analytics is related to message content?

[near crescent]

excuse me what

[storm nimbus]

YOUR chat room logs. Not your DM, but of your project.

[graceful oar]

It track the per message track and delete spam message and words and somthing not users badwords etc . As per that saving In data base

[modest geyser]

I somehow ended up writing a gui bluetooth tool because all the current ones for linux suck

[near crescent]

heck even is a gui bluetooth tool?

[upbeat anchor]

see when your tooth doesn't get enough oxygen it turns blue.. so you use meowtooth instead

[modest geyser]

Just a gui to pair scan connect disconnect bluetooth devices

[near crescent]

ah

[upbeat anchor]

It track the per message track
im not sure if im reading this right, but this doesn't make sense

[modest geyser]

I hate dbus

[solid wind]

linux users: linux is ready for mainstream use!
also linux users: i made my own bluetooth gui because all the current ones suck

[modest geyser]

I mean the only usable bluetooth tool is bluetoothctl

[graceful oar]

Hey mod, please send message of my to teams channel

If they want for the discord privilege intent verification unique cateria so they need to intent new event and APIs for that .

Problem my module need any intent all overs was same that module but discord reject me for that module like you need to unique cateria. Wth the others but must be need unique than why discord not revoking there verification. Please send this message

[verbal wraith]

Send where exactly?

[solid wind]

the idea of discord using teams internally is pretty funny icl

[graceful oar]

Yap bro they literally lost their brain

[near crescent]

we cannot help you with that

and if you keep being rude, you're not staying

[upbeat anchor]

i feel like discord would be a google <insert whatever they have now> user as backup

[graceful oar]

🙃

[near crescent]

i understand you are frustrated, but this isn't it.

[graceful oar]

🙃

[graceful oar]

Okay dear souji
Then advice me somthing
What should I not to do for my intent verification. This is literally help me for the next applying movement.

[near crescent]

i just work here

[graceful oar]

Lol movement for me

If I requesting this on email 🤣 support teams saying this to me like we cannt help .

So a guy for the inquiry all things need to know about what should they do.

There is nothing place nothing guide nothing support need they want

[near crescent]

i don't know what your expectation is?
you explain why you need that data and they decide if they want to give it to you
you complaining does nothing

nor would a "guide" make sense. it's a form, you fill it out and they make a decision based on the provided information

[verbal wraith]

If they made guide "how to get any intent" that would make no sense why you need to send a request at all

[graceful oar]

Okay but bro they literally saying unique do somthing after my first rejection, I do another modules help for the intent verification. There after they rejected

[upbeat anchor]

trying to gameify the system is never going to help (ie adding stuff just so you can get it)

[near crescent]

*game the system; gamify is something else

[upbeat anchor]

yes my bad

[graceful oar]

There is nothing events api where old bot and femus bot are not made . it means there is not unique choice for the verification.

Alls are already made it

[near crescent]

[modest geyser]

Do yall like AIX

[verbal wraith]

Not at all

[upbeat anchor]

when will you get a diff answer

[floral rapids]

not enough, aix needs to become popular until unreal becomes unaix

[upbeat anchor]

why do people keep on setting things up and then nerfing the perms

[floral rapids]

so I can kick the bot when it dms the user that they got kicked, but keeps the message in the channel & sends an error message in the logs channel when the user is above the bot/an admin

(which is what I did ^)

[upbeat anchor]

nice

[floral rapids]

had to, it kicked 5 legit users 0 scammers lol

[upbeat anchor]

but this is a diff case, like it means they just flat out disabled perms to message in the channel

[upbeat anchor]

in my server i just added automod of .* to the channel

image only messages bypass it

[floral rapids]

that's a skill issue, I highly recommend you attempt and send a reminder to the server owner / server admins of it

[upbeat anchor]

people kept on joining and testing it out

the other thing i have done is put it in id:guide which makes it harder for avg person to see its existance

[floral rapids]

at least with a 24h/1week cool down (resets when permission is fixed)

[upbeat anchor]

but every time i mentioned the channel directly someone would go yoooo

[upbeat anchor]

i wish discord gave us bulk delete member message secs so i can just timeout over using ban

sooo this is your server

[floral rapids]

wym?

[jade current]

Missing Perms

[upbeat anchor]

like only way to bulk delete a user's last messages is through the ban member endpoint

[floral rapids]

no, it's been removed for more than a week

[upbeat anchor]

ah

i still don't know if this is one server with a mod person spamming, or whats going on as they keep on comming in big bursts of them

[floral rapids]

great, I'm supposed to do a presentation and my English, Arabic and French are ruined, what a nice day

[upbeat anchor]

damn

[floral rapids]

most likely, highly doubt you can do anything other than temporarily save their user ID and straight up ignore afterwards

[upbeat anchor]

yeah

the issue is i know some servers fix the perm issue and then want to retry

so i can't just fully ignore 😭

[floral rapids]

button to clear cache and see what's inside of it for that server

would be a good feature, with of course a warning

[upbeat anchor]

sounds like confusing ux

[floral rapids]

🤷‍♂️

can't think of anything other

[upbeat anchor]

i just hope i dont cause a cf ban due to the # of error responses

[modest geyser]

You have to hit 10k in 10 minutes

[upbeat anchor]

yeah

quite alot tbh

is it 401 for if you failed to ban due to perms, or is it a diff one

as this makes it sound like only these 3 types count

[floral rapids]

as far as i know, what you're doing is:

1. open a dm with the user
2. send a you got kicked message to the user
3. soft ban the user
4. errors? send to a channel (you don't need to open the channel, cache or fetch if not cached, but if fetched then it's a new request)

so you're doing ~5 requests sometimes per millisecond(?)

[upbeat anchor]

yeah

[floral rapids]

you should be fine

[calm pilot]

Hello pepole👋

[upbeat anchor]

do note for #1 i do cache the channel for safe measure against discord autoabuse (but not many are across servers)

softban does mean 2 events also btw

still like nothing

oh and there is edit of the message to show bans count

[floral rapids]

wish it's possible to know if bot can ban/unban the user before opening a dm 🥀

that too

so ~7 in total

[upbeat anchor]

yeah, thats why alot of mine fail coz i only try for 2.5sec

[floral rapids]

ok that might be too much 🤔

[upbeat anchor]

wdym

[floral rapids]

imagine on a night you're asleep and then they come

[upbeat anchor]

2 sec is really not that long

[floral rapids]

it's fine if there's no error but it wouldn't be fine if there is error

not talking about the fail one, talking about the requests per 10min

[upbeat anchor]

ah

at least i dont think aborted errors count as an error (i hope)

Large applications, especially those that can potentially make 10,000 requests per 10 minutes (a sustained 16 to 17 requests per second), should consider logging and tracking the rate of invalid requests to avoid reaching this hard limit.
but yeah for the channel stuff i really should check

may be worth just unsetting it from db if it fails hehe

[floral rapids]

wouldn't you skip unban btw if ban fails

[upbeat anchor]

oh true

not like im sending more than 50 reqs/s

[floral rapids]

50 req/second
1 minute = 60 seconds
50 * 60 = 3k
🤔 you'd reach 10k in ~3minutes and a few seconds if you do 50 req/second btw, that's one huge problem i see with the hard limit

[near crescent]

could always check perms before doing the api call

[vestal fractal]

well, no-cache policy

[upbeat anchor]

See id need to cache it... but yeah an ordered roles list with where my bot is prob a good idea

[vestal fractal]

A bit extreme tho, saving a permission bit integer per server is really nothing

[upbeat anchor]

Its not generally the action of me having ban members

[near crescent]

it's not as simple as that

[upbeat anchor]

Pretty sure my main errors are due to role highracky

[upbeat anchor]

How

[floral rapids]

fairly sure you would get it randomized and not ordered

[upbeat anchor]

Like if i check that the role id is above mine, then i can no op

[near crescent]

that was re: serverit's "permission bit int per server" approach

[upbeat anchor]

Ordered by ordering with position data

[vestal fractal]

So you'd want to first check if user has a role higher than you? 🤔

[upbeat anchor]

Honestly i could just fetch and put TTL of a few mins

[upbeat anchor]

Well in msg payload you get list of roles user has

[vestal fractal]

Constantly fetching isn't that great either

[upbeat anchor]

So just need to see if any is above my highest one

[floral rapids]

annoying part is when the role is modified

[upbeat anchor]

Im not planing on as now even slower

[vestal fractal]

Which is done by [...]?

[floral rapids]

if you have member intent i recommend you listen to if the role was modified and update if it has been (only permission)

[upbeat anchor]

Comparing the list? Like if i just store ids of role ids that are above me and then of they include it.. just no op

[vestal fractal]

So yeah you'd need cache and fetching

[upbeat anchor]

Oh yeah do I even get an event if my bot itself changed roles

[upbeat anchor]

I can get that data from guild create event

[near crescent]

guild_member_update

[vestal fractal]

So only cache then

[upbeat anchor]

Yeah im guessing the bot user still is included

[vestal fractal]

You could do cache with TTL Ig

[floral rapids]

doesn't it need member intent?

[glacial tangle]

Guys

[near crescent]

yes?

[glacial tangle]

Uhhh

[upbeat anchor]

Im so confused whats going on - i said that I can cache a specific list of things, but not going to do a whole full cache

[vestal fractal]

[verbal wraith]

[floral rapids]

aight, well that's unfortunate lol, though we could get away if the bot itself's role was modified (updated) without requiring the member intent

[glass silo]

Soup

[winged swan]

wut

[tired obsidian]

If you're asking for someone to make somethiing for you please note that it's against server #rules

If you're saying something else…I can't parse it 🤷

I mean I can't really understand what you're saying, but it looks like you're looking for a developer to make something for you

[polar viper]

well if you need help with your projects (on discord) you're certainly at the right place

[tired obsidian]

This server is mostly for getting help with Discord bots and other Discord integrations. We're not a "hang out" server so I don't know how well you'll do finding friends

Yeah, see that "make websites and publish it" makes it sound like you're looking for people to do work, not friends

Either way, be sure to read and understand the #rules and all will be well

[versed creek]

Would smth like /rule <rule no.> @user and then the bots dms that rule from the saved template be great rather than the staff explaining them the whole thing

And yes the bot dms on whom it is used on

[polar viper]

assuming you have a pre-written list of rules yeah

[tired obsidian]

Nope, that'll get your bot quarantined so fast

[polar viper]

will it actually

[versed creek]

Why?

[versed creek]

Yes

[tired obsidian]

DMing others without explicit intent on behalf of the recipient is considered spam

[polar viper]

but what ever happened to "you were muted in {server} for {reason}" DMs

[tired obsidian]

The DM has to come from the user recieving the DM to do something to get it. Slash command, button click, etc. Sending someone else a DM doesn't cut it

[versed creek]

So would there be any limit smth how like how many times you can do that per day

[tired obsidian]

Same thing: it's spam. And if the user clicked on "this is spam" the bot gets flagged

[polar viper]

oh, how wonderful

[versed creek]

What does getting flagged do to the bot

[tired obsidian]

I'm sure there is, but those numbers are undocumented for good reasons. Also, all it takes is one person clicking on "this is spam" for it all to come tumbling down

[tired obsidian]

Anything from temporarily revoking API access to permanent revocation. I'm sure there are other punishments but I've never had a bot get flagged so…no idea

[versed creek]

So what can be the workaround I wouldn't want the bot putting it in main chat (like tag for it) and also just telling the user to check rules channels for this or that rule also feels not quite handy(I mean it is but trying to have smth new)

[tired obsidian]

The best way, IMO, is to put it in the main chat and ping the user. It's a lot easier to do, won't get your bot actioned, and is more apparent to the user. They might not even see the DM notification right away. And even if they do, they might not check. It's a lot of clicks/taps to get to it.

Or, if it's in the chat, they get pinged, it's got the "look at me" background, and it's where they currently are at. All upsides, IMO.

-# s a bonus, it shames them in front of everyone else!

Just my opinions, of course

[polar viper]

but dont literally all modern moderation bots DM the user their moderation case by default? it's not an opt-in/out feature (at least on all the big bots ive tried out), it's set by default, wouldnt this logic just apply to all of those bots, and the only reason it's still up is because no one is reporting it?

like sapphire or circle, they ping the user getting moderated in the channel and DM the user

[tired obsidian]

I can't speak to what other bots do, since I don't use 'em. That's the great thing about being a dev myself: I can code it myself lol

Also, "other bots do it" is one of the worst reasons to do something. Most other music bots break the law, does that make it ok for you to do that, too?

[modest geyser]

i think my hard drive is gonna fail

[polar viper]

yeah im not using it as a reason to do it (i dont have a DM feature), just speaking from the point you made earlier as to why this wouldnt have just gotten their bots flagged for the same reason? if someone flags the bot DM as spam

[tired obsidian]

Give it a peptalk?

[warped rain]

Hello guys, What game engine yall use?\

[tired obsidian]

JavaScript

[warped rain]

I use Unity

[tired obsidian]

I'm thinking about learning Defold, but for now I'm content doing it ally by hand in JS 🤷

[modest geyser]

Listen to it might have to turn up volume and with headphones to hear

[versed creek]

I mean great idea obv but one thing I am trying to avoid is it staying in the chat you not always no till when the user reads to put the delete after x seconds thing

[tired obsidian]

Sadly there are a few things that Discord is just bad at, and this is one of them. It's all trade-offs. Either DM them and risk it not being seen (and/or your bot getting actioned) or send it in chat and risk it…not being seen in an active chat :p

[polar viper]

i guess what you could do is to have the rules pre-written and then have an opt-in for the user? "@user you were prompted to check the rule bla bla bla" and a button that, once pressed, sends a DM with the full rule?

[tired obsidian]

That's one extra step for no real gain. At that point just send the rule the user violated

Another option you could have is a "don't break the rules" channel where rule violations are posted (and users don't have write-perms) and ping them there. More public than a DM but still in-server and not in the main chat. Just spitballin' ideas

[tired obsidian]

Also, adds some deniability. "I didn't click on the button so I don't know what rule I was violating! So it's fine!" 🙄

[tired obsidian]

Or maybe a channel with threads? Each user gets their own thread or something? And they're pinged in the thread? Just throwing out (probably bad) ideas now

[upbeat anchor]

as a bonus, it shames them in front of everyone else!
also it means no user will try to do minimodding themself as its already there

[polar viper]

at that point id js have the rules list

[upbeat anchor]

people reading rules channel unprompted = sadly rare

[polar viper]

making a thread just for that seems like too much

[polar viper]

"@user you were warned for Rule 1. please check the rules"?

[vestal fractal]

The big bots are very likely whitelisted

[polar viper]

right

[tired obsidian]

This seems to be the easiest and best way, IMO

[upbeat anchor]

reply to the message too

[versed creek]

What if rather than just pinging them the bot pings them specifically mentioning(replying)the message id for that rule and these pings get deleted every 6 hours or so and just rules stay

[versed creek]

Ye

[polar viper]

thats what my bot has--it's also a reminder to other members to check the rule that was violated, and also just rules in general

[tired obsidian]

I'm not sure what use deleting the message has

[versed creek]

Deleting the ping from rules channel?

[polar viper]

but what if you have a lot of rule violators daily and now you just have a massive pileup of mentions in your rules channel?

[tired obsidian]

Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about the rules channel. I thought it was in the channel they violated the rule in

[vestal fractal]

Make a thread I guess

[versed creek]

https://tenor.com/view/sorunun-farkındayız-gif-6120531598042862210

Creates a thread for that rule which is probably temporary and private and gets deleted or archived or closed

[tired obsidian]

Personally I'd make it a message command. Brings up a modal to choose what rule was violated. If it was done by a mod/admin, then reply to the message immediately with the "This messge violates rule X" with a link to the rules channel. If it was a user, then send the message to an admin-only channel for review by the server mod team

[daring wasp]

very tired 😔

[vestal fractal]

Tbh there's no good solution

[daring wasp]

I get the results if I go to that college in 2 days :p

[versed creek]

My idea was like showing the violator what they did rather than bringing it for review so early

[daring wasp]

also I think I'm exploring the number of files too much what do you guys think

[vestal fractal]

Discord rightfully doesn't want bots to DM too much, but you also don't have any good way to communicate with a user about moderation actions

[tired obsidian]

The review is only if a non-mod used the command. Which allows users to help police the chat

[jade current]

You could just combine the payloads with their respective objects

[vestal fractal]

Looks pretty good, although I wouldn't make a separate enum file for each thing

[versed creek]

I would have that in my tickets right as sometimes you want to keep the anonymousity between user to user

[tired obsidian]

Yeah, never share who flagged what

[vestal fractal]

Yeah that's what I do, but sometimes I'd agree it's logical to split due to length (not that I do that but still)

[maiden girder]

I have a question, how can I transfer the owner of a discord group (up to 10 people) on my phone?

[daring wasp]

true maybe I shouldn't have split it so early
but I feel like it would grow to hundreds of lines pretty soon

[vestal fractal]

Don't set a hard-limit of lines for yourself

Tbh length management depends on context

Also are you using aiohttp?

[daring wasp]

this i think I won't do

i feel like payloads deserve being splitted

[daring wasp]

yes

[daring wasp]

enums and flags maybe not so much

[vestal fractal]

Is the http client "synced" with the websocket session?

I mean it's technically meaningless but I think they have a feature for that

[daring wasp]

I don't think it is "synced"
right now theyre completely separate

gateway exists in bot._gateway_session and http connection is in bot._state.session although I'm planning to revamp the structuring of that part soon

[vestal fractal]

lemme show u what i mean

[daring wasp]

when I get to working on it

[daring wasp]

sure

[vestal fractal]

async with aiohttp.ClientSession() as session:
    async with session.get(...): ... # http
    async with session.ws_connect(...): ... # ws

dpy does this iirc

[daring wasp]

so keeping the ws connection and the http connection on the same object?

[vestal fractal]

Yes

Connection pooling is always good

[daring wasp]

can you have two base urls for a client session or I'd have to have full paths then

wait no

[vestal fractal]

That wouldn't make sense

[daring wasp]

ok i get it

dw I'm a bit slow :p

[vestal fractal]

all good

[bleak pond]

I am ded meat today ahh

[vestal fractal]

Running multiple bots on one infra would be cool

Not so useful for most cases

[late coyote]

well I think I have 3 Discord bots running on my kubernetes cluster currently 😅

[olive depot]

Nynu!!!

[verbal wraith]

Okay... are we gonna ignore this cursed pikachu or whatever demon creature is that?

Ain't no way that's a real dog

[olive depot]

It is lol

[verbal wraith]

[olive depot]

-# not demon creature tho, ok that's offtopic

[jade current]

Heh, back at it again

[daring wasp]

what are you doing to get to that 😭 (without intentionally doing it)

[jade current]

Making mi own logger heh

[daring wasp]

oh damn

[jade current]

No colors though since I ain't adding colorama to it

[jade current]

Me making my own just so I could properly truncate the stack trace of le errors

[daring wasp]

maybe I'll try doing it too

[jade current]

There probably are unnecessary stuff here, but meh it works lol

[neat olive]

they released basically at the same time

[glass vortex]

Are you making your own full logger? Or are you writing a Handler for python's logging API?

[jade current]

I don't know what a "full" logger would be, and it's not the latter either, but just a simple one. I'm not utilizing the logging API

[glass vortex]

So you're writing it from scratch. Why not use what Python ships with already?

[vestal fractal]

You can use some string logic to make colors with logging

Is TracebackException not inferred from from_exception()?

[jade current]

Does the logging API truncate error's stack trace and displays only the relative filename, lineno, line code? 🤔

[jade current]

Well True, but I'll just keep it like this

[glass vortex]

If you write a Formatter that does so: sure

[vestal fractal]

Well you can do raise x from None to only show the last thing

[vestal fractal]

Overtyping (:

Not a huge deal but ye

[glass vortex]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/logging.html#formatter-objects

[chilly mauve]

Hey! I am planning to make a discord bot anybody wants to join?

I am new to this field

[modest geyser]

This server isn’t for recruiting

[upbeat anchor]

that looks soo much like the github og image

[glass vortex]

Huh, what does? The Python logo?

[upbeat anchor]

the og image

https://github.com/python/cpython

like the blue bottom and placement of icon and title

like it could be a common template, but i haven't seen that anywhere else

@modest geyser i have no idea what i did, but looking though old tabs i had.. uh

[modest geyser]

yea it sometimes does that

especially with old unloaded tabs

[upbeat anchor]

damn

[pale rapids]

[glass vortex]

That's generated by sphinx: https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinxext-opengraph/blob/master/sphinxext/opengraph/_social_cards.py

[balmy basin]

why is 🎲 called die lol

[tired obsidian]

Because die is singular. Dice is plural

[bleak pond]

Learning django is hard

Sigh

[jade current]

Game is dead

[bleak pond]

C is

[tired obsidian]

C? Dead? ::Laughs in Linux::

[bleak pond]

I thought hard

mb

[tired obsidian]

Oh, C is hard? Yeah, it can be

[olive depot]

C

Easy

[tropic crow]

wassup chat

[verbal wraith]

Nothing

[deft berry]

how to grow bots guys 🥀

[bleak pond]

Nothing special except my boss ordering me overtime

[bleak pond]

Upload to top.gg

[deft berry]

oh

[olive depot]

Be better

[spring shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/881224361015672863/1505940846774583397/image.png?ex=6a0c7434&is=6a0b22b4&hm=3162b959ab2f389a8a5b521b9dbd873fc8a5ca7a6d4c3db155d957a948dea77a&

summary ™

[bleak pond]

Make something crazy which no one has seen before

[verbal wraith]

DDevs > Ddevs

[bleak pond]

[olive depot]

Crazy kitchen sink 🔥

[bleak pond]

For example make a dinosaur bot which will be born from fish

[bleak pond]

Dinosaur born from fish

[verbal wraith]

Pokemon bot but instead of catching pokemons you catch dinosaurs

[bleak pond]

Interesting

Then feed them to the fish

[upbeat anchor]

ddevs > those

[cunning pecan]

dDevs

[upbeat anchor]

[pale hull]

developing Discord electric vehicle services

[astral shell]

i guess discord api had limits for bots to upload media for non boosted servers but no wonder how my bot is able to upload more than 8mb?

[daring wasp]

what would the car name be

[compact patrol]

What type of functionality should a discord bot have, according to y’all?

[upbeat anchor]

discar

[daring wasp]

Any but not All

[upbeat anchor]

every bot is different

[cunning pecan]

The Discord Department of EVs?

[pale hull]

WumpyBumpyMobile

[daring wasp]

brb guys gotta earn some orbs so I can save up for a EV

[compact patrol]

😭 I was looking for an answer like “moderation”, “social”

[compact patrol]

And I don’t understand what “any but not all” means

[patent carbon]

There's enough moderation and social bots

[daring wasp]

a bot should specialize in one field, it should not be a kitchen sink (knower of all master of none)

[upbeat anchor]

my first result for searching for discord car

[compact patrol]

Okay so don’t make my bot all in one is basically what you’re saying…

[patent carbon]

Yes

[upbeat anchor]

honestly people dont know how to search if smth exists before they make... like before my bot was the only real honeypot bot... now there are like 10 :p

[pale hull]

If you are making a public bot. You should find something very specific that you can make or introduce a large twist on the conventional concepts of "moderation", "social", etc.

[upbeat anchor]

and not like they even do anything that I dont myself.. most are in features worse 😭

[compact patrol]

Basically what I was trying to do was get basic answers on what people want in a discord bot and turning it into a very specific functionality in that subject

[daring wasp]

honeypot - a bot that bans anyone sending a message in a specified channel to catch scammers
-# also contains moderation, tickets, automod, logging, economy!

[upbeat anchor]

yum

[pale hull]

That I can't help you will. My 2 public bots have like 10 monthly command usage

[upbeat anchor]

tbf tickets can kinda make sense, but its really iffy and gets out of scope way too easily

its a balance as once you go over, you just made everything complex

[pale hull]

If anything I think all in one bots should be separate bots that can be added per "module" and they just interact well with each other

[compact patrol]

Wdym 10 monthly command usage? More specifically, what do you mean by monthly?

[upbeat anchor]

i feel like this server is the worst place to find that stuff out as.... we all generally would just make anything we really want

[compact patrol]

Oh

[pale hull]

I'm basically saying no one uses my bots.

[compact patrol]

Apologies then on my part.

[upbeat anchor]

gold wompus likes your bots

[upbeat anchor]

just make something that you see as missing from bots today and market it so

like dont try to do everything or something general

but be clear at why exactly one should use your bot

idealy you also care about this thing too

[tribal lynx]

My bot is in 21 servers and is only really used during a specific time of year

It's a sports bot

So it is only used during the sports "season"

[olive depot]

So buildathon champion role icon was always a golden wumpus and not a golden tree?

[patent carbon]

yes

[verbal wraith]

Ngl, it looks like nuke mushroom to me

[devout heath]

nice

[warm temple]

I want to ask something

[devout heath]

?

[patent carbon]

then you should ask

[warm temple]

I want to verify my app but what should be the age limit for that?

@patent carbon @devout heath

[patent carbon]

16

[warm temple]

Oh

[patent carbon]

https://support-dev.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/6276106082583-An-Update-on-Verifications-for-Users-Under-16

[warm temple]

How discord detect fake proofs?

So many people provide fake proofs

[patent carbon]

that would be a crime... and they use Stripe for verification

[warm temple]

Oh

But they dint get cought

[patent carbon]

if you believe someone used a fake id to verify their bot, you should make a report at https://support-dev.discord.com/

that's not really relevant to this server

[warm temple]

It's discrod official server did discord pay you?

And can I apply?

[patent carbon]

no

[warm temple]

So your work for free

[olive depot]

My whole life was lie second time

[olive depot]

He don't work here

[warm temple]

So while work?

[ionic night]

why would anyone here get paid by discord?

[olive depot]

While?

[warm temple]

Who i mean

[warm temple]

Idk just asked

[ionic night]

No one here, its just a server for ppl who develop things for discord. Thats it

[warm temple]

Why so rude Buddy

[ionic night]

Was that rude? Mybad

[patent carbon]

i do not work for free... i just dont work HERE

[olive depot]

Sam

[warm temple]

Can I apply to work and get paid

[patent carbon]

not here

this server is not a job board

[wide pasture]

How's the profile design guys?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124926925907963993/1505589036046356530/image.png?ex=6a0c7e0e&is=6a0b2c8e&hm=6568261b3b30b58aed4a836e499029c2ff311c5cb2429b88445c1f72ba0fa177&

[patent carbon]

banner to body ratio is off personally... it's a little too 1:1, should be more like 1:2

[wide pasture]

The banner inside the container?

The box would be empty below so that's why.

[patent carbon]

ya... it looks like the color and the black background part are split evenly 50/50 and it just looks weird to me, personally

[patent carbon]

ya that makes sense

[wide pasture]

I don't have any content to add there lol. If i do what you said, i would've to make the container smaller and it would look weird ig.

[olive depot]

Keep the content as it is, make banner smaller and whole container bigger?

[heady ridge]

@wide pasture DMs.

[patent carbon]

dont call people to your dms... if you have a question ask here... calling people to your dms is a common scammer tactic

[pearl tendon]

help

[patent carbon]

cant help if you dont ask a question

[pearl tendon]

The bot is giving a hardware error on the Discord developers portal.

[patent carbon]

i dont know what a hardware error is... can you send a screenshot?

or at least list the error message exactly as is and where?

[pearl tendon]

I can't take screenshots; my computer is broken.

Bot creation error.

I'm Turkish and I'm using translation.

[patent carbon]

well, then unfortunately i cant help you as i dont know what error message youre talking about

[pearl tendon]

Bot creation error

[patent carbon]

and that's not specific enough for me to understand... where is that error coming from? what page? what is the entire error message? word for word

[daring wasp]

just take a picture with your phone

[olive depot]

Or ask SoraAi

[bleak pond]

What error is it display in your console

[patent carbon]

he said it was a dev portal error, so not in the console

[bleak pond]

Hmm

[patent carbon]

but i also am not certain that's what he means.... or if he's using a 3rd party bot maker

[bleak pond]

He clearly said developer portal but what is the hardware error

[patent carbon]

hey, ive had people say it was a dev portal error then say theyre using BDFD and that's where the error was coming from

[floral sparrow]

My bot needs to know the list of members of a Discord server who have a certain role. Do I need the "server intent"?

[balmy basin]

hi samtino

[patent carbon]

you need the guild members intent, yes

[patent carbon]

o/

[balmy basin]

func Pointer[T any](o T) *T {
    return &o
}

do you think this will be useful?

[patent carbon]

so converts anything to a pointer?

[balmy basin]

yeah

[floral sparrow]

I've been waiting for validation since April 15th...

[patent carbon]

i mean can't you already cast something to a pointer?

[patent carbon]

and response times could be as long as 6-8 weeks

just keep waiting

[bleak pond]

U need to wait as it can take longer

Like 1 month or more

[balmy basin]

pointer := &10

// syntax error

and yeah, it will be wrong pointer because memory allocation happens when you pass arguments in function

[glass silo]

Does ts have an equivalent for typing.cast?

cast(Lie, "lol") <- type checker: yup that's of type Lie dw

[balmy basin]

it will be pointer to variable inside the function

[patent carbon]

hmmm nevermind, looks like your helper is actually the recommended method of casting to a pointer

[floral sparrow]

Initially, I requested "message content intent" but was told that it's rare to get approval from Discord. So I switched to slash commands. Do I need to resubmit my request even if I haven't received an initial response?

[balmy basin]

yes, prefix commands are not the reason for being approved for message content intent

[patent carbon]

it's not rare... but your usecase has to be justified... and prefix commands is not a valid reason

[balmy basin]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-based-the-boys-homelander-the-boys-facts-gif-26206051

[floral sparrow]

But can I submit a new application without this intent?

[balmy basin]

-# i wrote this @ 3 am

[patent carbon]

but as for resubmitting... i believe you can submit any amount of times you want... as you can't modify or remove an existing request

[floral sparrow]

uh okay.

[pale hull]

Why do you need to resubmit? Do you need one of the other 2?

[patent carbon]

they already submitted one with message content and members... im assuming

[pale hull]

They will give you the others if you have valid reasons and include them in the original request. It is not all or nothing

[floral sparrow]

I need Server Members Intent

My bot needs to know the list of members of a Discord server who have a certain role

[patent carbon]

if you already made a request asking for that intent and for the reason you listed, then you have no reason to make a new request

even if you asked for other intents at the same time

[modest geyser]

  QList<QMap<QString, QList<QMap<QString, QDBusVariant>>>>;

wtf am i doing

[winged swan]

lmao

[modest geyser]

Ig this type is better than xml

Dbus interfaces are cursed

[floral sparrow]

even if they reject others intents ?

[patent carbon]

yes

as wolfy already said... it's not all or nothing... you can be partially approved when some are denied

[fallen rock]

Hello developers and those who feel like developers

[modest geyser]

I should rewrite dbus call it meowbus or catbus

[balmy basin]

bus mentioned
hi maukkis

[patent carbon]

the pointers on the bus go round and round

[balmy basin]

ewwww

pointer to mutex

[winged swan]

sometimes i forget this is UB

int *ptr;
*ptr = 10;

[modest geyser]

Well yes!

[quiet saddle]

Sort of. For type narrowing or widening you can use as e.g.

(person: Person) => (person as Developer)

(developer: Developer) => (developer as Person)

but if the type cast would be fundamentally incompatible (i.e. not covariant), you need to first widen the source type and then narrow it to the target. This should almost never be used but there are some scenarios that call for it:

(person: Person) => (person asunknownas Flower)

[winged swan]

unintialised pointers are just a pain sometimes

[modest geyser]

Dangling pointers are worse

Just get into the habit of setting all pointers by default to NULL

[quiet saddle]

yep

[winged swan]

from my understanding

the variable ptr is stack allocated, but the memory it points to is somewhere else and might not be on the stack, so you are derefercing and modifying memory somewhere else.

While this works because num is stack allocated so can actually modify it

int num;
int *ptr = #
*ptr = 10;

[modest geyser]

Or in C++ int *ptr{};

[winged swan]

honestly that's actually a good idea

[modest geyser]

Yes kinda except a ptr is just a memory address with type information

[balmy basin]

sacul learns C
rip

[modest geyser]

Default initialize everything

[winged swan]

it's been like close to half a year now :))

[winged swan]

icic

[modest geyser]

Also another C tip add these compiler flags
-Wall -Wextra -Werror

[quiet saddle]

no matter what in C i would always just do

int *ptr = NULL;
/* then work with it */

[balmy basin]

daymn, with you good luck, im on go for around month or so

[modest geyser]

This actually prevents you accidentally using uninitialized variables

[winged swan]

wut does that do

oh

[modest geyser]

Enables all warnings and treats all warnings as errors

[winged swan]

that's nice

[modest geyser]

Helps you catch a lot of ub

[winged swan]

🙏🙏

[modest geyser]

Well actually it doesnt enable everything for example theres no -Wpedantic

But Wpedantic is annoying

[quiet saddle]

for that you can just use a lang like python

[modest geyser]

Yea

You can always use compiler extensions as a treat

Also all mainstream compilers actually implement most of the gnu extensions

So…

[jade current]

Python

[patent carbon]

piton

[quiet saddle]

no

[patent carbon]

y no

[quiet saddle]

overused meme

[patent carbon]

... so ... aix?

[jade current]

@daring wasp
I pushed le commit for le logger lol. You can check out the code for it and see its abomination