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cold tangle Oct 5, 2025, 9:37 PM

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trying to nail down this language. how do you feel about this?

outer dragon Oct 5, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Idk why but it doesn’t really sound like an “On Play” effect to me, more like a requirement in order to play the card

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Like when I think on play I think something like “On Play: draw a card” not “On Play: you must do x to play this card”, maybe just a different text rather than On Play? Maybe like Mandatory, Essential, somethin like that?

cold tangle Oct 5, 2025, 10:00 PM

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Added cost... Yea

pine latch Oct 5, 2025, 10:42 PM

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Maybe it would be
Cost:
Expend:
On play and extra costs are 2 different things.

soft glacier Oct 5, 2025, 11:38 PM

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you could just do it the same as yugioh XD

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cost > semicolon > effect

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it wouldnt be super interesting to just copy yugiohs card syntax though

pine latch Oct 5, 2025, 11:45 PM

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Allowance:

somber quarry Oct 6, 2025, 6:20 AM

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I like the current wording on this card personally, because play is typically clearly defined already, but I think added cost works too

pine latch Oct 6, 2025, 9:01 AM

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It's definitely strange that it says "on play" then describes what you have to do to play it.

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I think it's good to differentiate the 2. What if there's a card in the future that says disable all on play effects? Mechanically it could open things up.

soft glacier Oct 6, 2025, 2:04 PM

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soft glacier cost > semicolon > effect

yugioh does this so they dont have to write extra words like "cost" or "to play this card you must"

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 2:44 PM

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pine latch It's definitely strange that it says "on play" then describes what you have to d...

Yea you're totally right. I'm going to make it say additional cost or something

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 6:19 PM

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pine latch Oct 6, 2025, 6:26 PM

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Cool symbol. This is functional and I can't see any problems with it.

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 6:28 PM

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i wonder if "you must" is needed

pine latch Oct 6, 2025, 6:34 PM

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I don't think it is. "Cost" and "to play this card kind of implies it.

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 6:37 PM

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also ive flip flopped on "Any" While i like "A" more than "Any" i think ANY is much more clear to first timers.

pine latch Oct 6, 2025, 6:42 PM

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On paper that sounds good, but I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone be confused about that. I'm not sure that's worth using more letters.

outer dragon Oct 6, 2025, 6:42 PM

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Any makes it more clear Imo

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Sounds better too I think

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I don’t think you must is needed?

pine latch Oct 6, 2025, 6:50 PM

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outer dragon Any makes it more clear Imo

"Discard a card" is an extremely common phrase in card games. I also asked some friends and they've never experienced confusion over it either. I'm not sure it's risking much confusion. Generally I think it's better to use the least amount of letters possible.

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 6:53 PM

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in this case any vs a doesnt matter. but in other cases like "exhaust a stack" vs "any stack" clears things up.

pine latch Oct 6, 2025, 6:59 PM

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Yeah any better describes your possible targets.

soft glacier Oct 6, 2025, 7:04 PM

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cold tangle

good but I dont think you need the word "cost" at all

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if you have that icon there than that means cost right?

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 7:04 PM

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i want the word an the icon

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just a design choice im taking here

soft glacier Oct 6, 2025, 7:04 PM

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ok

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 7:05 PM

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for me, the mechanic must be self apparent in text, as well as have a unique icon. For card effects

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card game grammar is going to make me turn into an insane freak

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(more than usual)

pine latch Oct 6, 2025, 7:12 PM

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cold tangle card game grammar is going to make me turn into an insane freak

It's turning me into an insane freak right now.

Sorry I'm really overthinking this, it's a really interesting question to me. If you're trying to reduce confusion, the strongest argument to me is staying closer to the most popular language out there. A casual magic or Yu-Gi-Oh player might hypothetically think twice because the language is different. You're right it doesn't matter, but whatever choice you make should be consistent throughout the game. If these are going to be common mechanics it might be good to consider how much space it takes up right? I'm not sure how much it matters.

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 7:14 PM

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hmm im not sure why you say this because im trying to make it clear my goal is being consistent haha. thats why im editing all these cards in the open here. dont sweat it

pine latch Oct 6, 2025, 7:18 PM

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lol yeah I see what you mean. The heart of it is I feel discard a card is better just because it's common language.

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 7:18 PM

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yea, i get you. but i for sure want other cases to say any

soft kestrel Oct 6, 2025, 7:19 PM

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Capital Y on that font is ridiculous omg

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 7:20 PM

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fr

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i changed it so after the prefix word the following word is lowercase anyway

pine latch Oct 6, 2025, 7:22 PM

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soft kestrel Capital Y on that font is ridiculous omg

this font rocks.

soft kestrel Oct 6, 2025, 7:23 PM

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I think I liked the original wording most. So like “Cost: to play this card, you must discard a card from your hand” would sound best to me

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Otherwise it’s a great font I just wish the capital Y didn’t descend under the baseline

cold tangle Oct 6, 2025, 7:24 PM

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Yea haha

soft glacier Oct 6, 2025, 7:56 PM

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cold tangle for me, the mechanic must be self apparent in text, as well as have a unique ico...

that makes sense

soft kestrel Oct 7, 2025, 3:31 AM

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Not sure if this has been asked, but if Carrot Man A is the only card in your hand, you just are not allowed to play it, since you have nothing in your hand to discard, right?

soft glacier Oct 7, 2025, 3:39 AM

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soft kestrel Not sure if this has been asked, but if Carrot Man A is the only card in your ha...

yea

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unlike helping bean

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or whatever its called

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where it says "if possible"

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or if you can

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or whatever the card says

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I dont remember

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but the bean card

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can be used if its the only card in your hand

soft kestrel Oct 7, 2025, 3:39 AM

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right yeah. just wanted to make absolute sure

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working on a google sheet rn with every card and I am trying to come up with answers to every single question anyone would think to ask, just thought I'd mention that bc I'm sure some of these questions I am asking are a bit overly thorough/self-explanatory.

somber quarry Oct 7, 2025, 3:42 AM

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Joseph you are the goat fr fr

soft kestrel Oct 7, 2025, 3:43 AM

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thank you thank you it's more of just a side effect of being obsessed with this brand, lmao

soft glacier Oct 7, 2025, 3:45 AM

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haha

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I started a similar thing

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making a glossary of every term I could think of

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like board

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deck

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hand

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exhausted

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and so on

soft kestrel Oct 7, 2025, 3:46 AM

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Oh nice, I didn't even think about adding that since a lot of those are on the website page. It'd be great to have like an all-in-one place which I'm sure the beanspout TCteams are eventually working towards so my thing is more of a "in the meantime" sort of project.

somber quarry Oct 7, 2025, 3:47 AM

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Actually thats a really good idea, go put that in like general beansprout discussion. There should be a glossary at the top or bottom of the rules fr fr.

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I'd love a physical rulebook on the first release

soft kestrel Oct 7, 2025, 3:48 AM

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I'm probably gonna make a separate thread when I post my google sheet just bc I want a separate place for people to tell me "hey! you missed this!" or argue over what order the columns should be in

soft glacier Oct 7, 2025, 3:50 AM

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somber quarry Actually thats a really good idea, go put that in like general beansprout discus...

oh sure

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uh right now its just notes on my phone

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