Question: Does Cool Car's special effect make you exhaust one of your own stacks? Or is it telling you to exhaust an enemy's stack?
#Cool Car
digital shuttle
vapid trout
yours or your opponent's
Why the hell would anyone want to exhaust their own stack
slender hare
This one confused me at first because I figured if it meant “ANY” stack it would say “any stack in play” kind of like how it says on Sticky. But it doesn’t say “one of your stacks” either so I determined it was most likely any stack in play. I feel like there’s a few cases where the same or similar effect is written in different ways which adds to confusion
sterile furnace
Why the hell would anyone want to exhaust their own stack
right now, the only reason I can think of is if you have black sheepy and dont want it to be targeted
but in the future maybe there will be cards that let you gain some benifit from having a stack exhausted
sterile furnace
This one confused me at first because I figured if it meant “ANY” stack it would...
Im not sure why it would need to specify any stack in play because you cant exactly have a stack that isnt in play
just changing "a" to "any" would probably make it more obvious what the card means
that goes for a lot of the other cards too like mr baby or bean bed
sterile furnace
Im not sure why it would need to specify any stack in play because you cant exac...
although cards like sticky do say "any stack in play"
doesnt really matter how they write it but it should be consistent
slender hare
that’s just how sticky had it phrased and to me it is the clearest way to convey to inexperienced players “oh they mean literally any of the cards, mine or my opponents”
the way it’s written rn, my immediate reaction upon reading it is that it’s meant to be one of my stacks, so that the card has a drawback to playing it (similar to carrot man A telling you to discard a card)
digital shuttle
Yeah the biggest problem I noticed with the wording of this game is that it doesn't usually specify whether a rule is referring to your stacks, your enemy's, or both
sterile furnace
that never happened with me
I dunno, I understood "a ____" to refer to any
because if it was only supposed to be one or the other then the card would say that
solemn estuary
Do you have to target an unexhausted stack?
If I have a lvl 1 and my opponent has an exhausted monster, and I want to play cool car on my lvl 1, do I have to exhaust itself because it’s the only unexhausted stack in play? Or can I target an exhausted stack
digital shuttle
i guess you'd have to exhaust itself
you kinda have to be careful with picking when to play the card
solemn estuary
The question is more “does Exhaust a stack” imply that the target cannot be an exhausted stack, which if so, i think implies that you cannot target redundant targets.*
Another example of hypothetical redundant targeting in the same vein would be:
You had a card that said “set a monster’s power to 1,” could you target a monster with power that already equals 1? I think the answers to the exhaust question and the power 1 question should be the same.
*unless exhaustion has other special rules, like not being able to target an exhausted stack, ever.
digital shuttle
i would go under the assumtion that you cant exhaust an already exhausted stack
kinda like what i was asking about sticky
sterile furnace
The question is more “does Exhaust a stack” imply that the target cannot be an e...
for the second example
I think that you could target a monster whos power is already 1
but you cant exhaust a stack thats already exhausted
think of it like
if youre setting a number value you just input a number
like setting the time on a clock
if you go to the clock settings and set the time nothing is stopping you from setting it to the same time it already was
however if for example you need to wake someone up
you cant wake someone up who is already awake unless they go to sleep again
so for statuses
you cannot overwrite them with the same thing
but for number values you can
solemn estuary
I think we just need to wait for an official ruling, because what I’m having trouble with is if all abilities/on-play abilities imply that they must complete their stated action. Does cool car NEED to change an unexhausted stack to exhausted, or is targeting a stack and trying to exhaust it enough.
That looks like a lot of words so I’ll restate with example.
You cannot exhaust an exhausted monster, nothing would happen. But can you try to target an exhausted monster, even knowing if nothing would happen? Let’s say, can you target an exhausted stack with Bean Bed. And if you aren’t allowed to target a monster with an effect that would result in nothing happening, why does that intuitively not seem to be the case for setting power (as in the above example)?
The way I see it, this can be solved with more discrete rules for targeting, or “may” wording (you may exhaust a stack.)
sterile furnace
yea
rotund ferry
So when I designed this card it was meant as a buff to the player. So I'll probably change it to MAY
sterile furnace
So when I designed this card it was meant as a buff to the player. So I'll proba...
ok cool
thatd also make it more versatile
you could play cool car and still target black sheepy
if you wanted to I suppose
if you wanted to attack black sheepy instead of attacking directly? for some reason?
rotund ferry
I'm gunna use all these threads as reference for editing the cards lolol
rotund ferry
sterile furnace
yey
rotund ferry
"On Play"
sterile furnace
so going forward are you just gonna keep using "a" when meaning any of either players?
rotund ferry
between a and any
rotund ferry
im between them, im saying
theyll be the same
i like a better, less space on the card
sterile furnace
cool
rotund ferry
a stack
a stack you control
a stack your opponent controls
sterile furnace
:o
rotund ferry
sterile furnace
ok
solemn estuary
annoying opinion: I like "any" because it's less common, it is unfortunately less obviously intuitive ("a" is probably better... but i can dream.)
sleek atlas
i also had a question about cool car cause i felt a little dumb abt it, why does it only do 1 dmg? it feels a little rough considering any lvl 1 monster could block it realistically
rotund ferry
when you play it you can exhaust a stack so you could get a free direct shot.
solemn estuary
And you can play it on an attack for [p] level 1
sleek atlas
when you play it you can exhaust a stack so you could get a free direct shot.
im so silly i didnt even think of this
😭
digital shuttle
between a and any
I prefer "any" because it does a better job at implying that it applies to any stack, not just one you control. When I started playing I assumed "a stack" meant only a stack I controlled
sterile furnace
I prefer "any" because it does a better job at implying that it applies to *any*...
really?
digital shuttle
yeah
sterile furnace
yeah
why is that
it just seems like a leap in logic to me is all
Im curious what your thought process was to get to that
digital shuttle
when i didn't doesn't completely understand the rules, i was under the assumption that, by default, i could only affect my stacks, since i'm the one controlling them. i figured it would be pretty rare to modify my enemy's stacks, and if i were allowed to do so, it would specifically be stated on the card. therefore, when i read "when cool car is played, exhaust a stack" i was led to believe that it was referring to one of my stacks, like a cost of summoning cool car. if the card had said "when cool car is played, exhaust any stack" that would have opened my mind up to the possibility that i could choose any stack in play. of course, i wasn't really thinking that hard about it at the time, and it's why i created this topic in the first place, to clarify my suspisions.