#Haptic mixed reality cockpit

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winged narwhal
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Here is the adapter

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The new front plate (not that beautiful but itā€™s behind the panel)

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It fits quite well, need to move the yoke around 2 mm to the right

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A makeshift decoration šŸ¤£ thatā€™s a hell of a patina

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Itā€™s fixated by 3 screws with threaded inserts - its really solid but easy to remove

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Next things will be the button plate for the PTT and autopilot buttons

opaque monolith
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very very nice!

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it's mad, I look at your photos and I mistake them to be sim screenshots

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that cockpit looks really awesome

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so the reference from sim

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winged narwhal
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šŸ™ thank you!

royal lion
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Thatā€™s a very cool sim! Where does the padded material on the sides come from?

winged narwhal
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Now I prefer the fake wild leather , it feels great

opaque monolith
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just gotta be careful if laser cutting artificial materials, some have chlorine (like PVC)

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the material disintegrates with the laser and chrlorine turns into hydrochloric acid with the moisture from air

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there is laser safe sticker "vinyl" too for example

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regular vinyl is PVC

winged narwhal
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Ou thatā€™s an good information, i assume the edges are the problematic part then ? I donā€™t lasercut them and looking at the wavy cuts from the seller I assume he also likes scissors šŸ˜€

winged narwhal
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Prototyping the button plate

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winged narwhal
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I fixed the holes with UV resin and sandet everything

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Thatā€™s the final result with some new paint

Iā€™m happy with the result even if itā€™s not perfect

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waxen canopy
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Beauty!

opaque monolith
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that looks super clean

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oh hey

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speaking of metal

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Type metal

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could work with a silicone mould

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or maybe gypsum

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or I guess one could also cast it from solder?

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I apologise for my brain

winged narwhal
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@opaque monolith Thanks ! If I wasnā€™t able to get a real one that wouldā€™ve been the next step

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But the real one is slightly different to the 3d model from A2A

opaque monolith
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oh, I meant the logo badge

winged narwhal
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Oh! Yes that could be done ! But then i have to paint it and maybe put some resin on it too so , i just printed and poured UV resin over it

opaque monolith
winged narwhal
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Thatā€™s a nice shop thanks !

winged narwhal
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https://inherjer.github.io/GA-dispatcher/

a little sideproject from today , I just wanted a small tool that creates some VFR flights without the need for running it on the sim PC , connecting to the sim, checking for every pound in the luggage compartment to match the ā€ždemandā€œ or teleporting me around to a different parking lot

Just a tiny tool that I can check on mobile during lunch , it searches the weather and the charts so I can make my flight plan for the evening, then hop in and go

And this was the result after a few hours of vibe coding and i thought maybe someone of you find this useful too , so i just post it here

Itā€™s just a personal tool , mainly for Germany and Europe, nothing special

winged narwhal
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I just made a support, to decrease friction I glued some PTFE strips on the inside and these pads can be adjusted by screws šŸ’Ŗ

opaque monolith
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I recall some planes have three ball bearings in triangular arrangement around the tube

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but of course the aileron axis would slide anyway so this is probably a very good approach

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unless one would do a two direction roller bearing thing but that would be just way big

winged narwhal
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It was the easiest approach, the rod itself doesnā€™t need this bushing, but it helps taking away some forces ā€¦ especially when the kids are playing around with the stuff šŸ˜…

winged narwhal
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That was a looooong waiting! But here they are - they are heavy as hell

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waxen canopy
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Are those your motion actuators?

winged narwhal
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Yes , a first dry test run was successful, I will mount them the next days

winged narwhal
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First progress

desert patio
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I love fsweekend!

opaque monolith
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hi this is from fsweekend

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related stuff you guys have

winged narwhal
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Howā€™s the FSW going, i wasnā€™t able to join in this year

rustic olive
opaque monolith
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@winged narwhal @desert patio came to say hi, he has some PWM heaters in inline duct fans for warn air stuff etc for VR so invited to this rabbit hole

desert patio
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@opaque monolith here I is a picture I shared before somewhere else

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winged narwhal
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Thanks! Thatā€™s a nice idea

winged narwhal
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It moves ! It needs a little cleaning work and fine tuning the parameters, then I can switch to the little additional projects but the next few weeks i just enjoy flying

opaque monolith
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sweet!

winged narwhal
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Made my first real flight , not just testing and ā€¦ itā€™s worth it ! Again ā€¦ this feels really great

opaque monolith
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it oddly looks more portable now, just saying... šŸ˜…

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also, super cool to hear it works

winged narwhal
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šŸ¤£ indeed, it can even move itself. But there is a door and a stair that just say : No

opaque monolith
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maybe you can tweak the response curves and motion so that you can walk it to Lelystad? šŸ™‚

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it would be super cool to have it at the mobiflight booth as a showcase, if you ever feel like loading it in a trailer

waxen canopy
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That is amazing. Been following your progress in the different forums. You planning on a full write up?

winged narwhal
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Thank you! If itā€™s wanted I can make a write up

opaque monolith
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it would definitely be interesting if you find the time, we could even feature it in a newsletter if you are ok with it

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I am sure @steep frigate would be happy for new content

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also feature it in the new community feed that MF11 has

winged narwhal
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Ok I have to think about it, I have no idea where to start šŸ˜…

glacial compass
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"Long long time ago.... there was a small 6mm switch and 5mm led sitting in a cardboard... " šŸ˜„

opaque monolith
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start from "[Hi there, im working on a modular magnetic VR dashboard](#1255145356962959432 message)" šŸ˜…

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but yea. no stress, no rush, no obligation

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this needs to be fun

steep frigate
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We already featured this thread in one of our last newsletters. maybe 3 issues back?

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But in general we could think of also featuring projects on the website every month.

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So basically, we would have a little longer article, and we could link from the newsletter to it.

mellow lava
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mixed reality included!

opaque monolith
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"For non-AVP users, X-Plane introduces QR-based spatial tracking. Simply place printed markers in your environment, and the simulator will track and persist their positionā€”allowing your physical setup to align seamlessly with the virtual cockpit."

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hand tracking with gesture support for knob rotating

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hmm

mellow lava
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it sounds good, or not? I have an Apple Vision Pro fot business needs and I can use it privately, so I am very exited of this release

opaque monolith
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yeah also in the examples the masked hands were the real hands

winged narwhal
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Uh that are nice features (not for the quest 3) so this could become interesting. I really want to love XP but gosh it is hard for me

winged narwhal
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Is someone visiting the AERO this Saturday?

opaque monolith
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yes! we have a booth

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#1496000051326091364

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come say hi

winged narwhal
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I will šŸ„³ see you on Saturday

opaque monolith
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we are in A6

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there are 3 motion platforms next to us

winged narwhal
opaque monolith
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oh yes! always great to connect names and faces!

winged narwhal
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Absolutely! I will be there next year again , it was fun. And now I have to fix the last hiccups with the motion Platform šŸ«ØšŸ˜‚ it was motivating to see all these motion rigs

steep frigate
opaque monolith
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also meetup

winged narwhal
opaque monolith
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the events are nice for saying hi but one has all the other stuff to get through also

winged narwhal
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Yes thereā€™s so much going on . Not much time . But I hope I join the meetup this time

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Next experiments : a heavy spring (in a case of an issue with the system) and a really strong rope .

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Together with some pulleys this will be my belt tensioner - and it works extremely well.

winged narwhal
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I was able to make a reference flight for the feelings for FFB and motion yesterday, now I know better how to tweak the platform and the yoke

opaque monolith
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nice!

mellow lava
winged narwhal
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Fiddling around with some pneumatic cylinders to make variable ā€žspringsā€œ for the rudder pedals

opaque monolith
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I was thinking of mechanical dampening by moving an arm along a lever to get variable leverage based on airspeed for example

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but of course doing it via dc motors and h-bridge or something would be one of those things to look into someday

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things that work great if you are not a generalist with 1000 ideas

winged narwhal
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Yes , that pneumatic approach should allow to adjust the pressure/force dynamically. A motor that compresses a Zylinder to increase and decrease the pressure dynamically is the next thing if the overall concept works. But the possibility to adjust the force and the progression of the ā€žspringā€œ brings some new possibilities

winged narwhal
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A test setup , compressing the right cylinder increases the force of the other two

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I have also a static pressure on the inward pushing port , this seems to help with canceling the flow from one cylinder to another, but thatā€™s just for testing.

opaque monolith
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btw, flightlink pedals had a nice mechanical spring

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it was a wide metal plate that was behind pedals, bungee pulled it towards pilot

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and each pedal pushed it back

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it's just so old that I fear there are not many images

winged narwhal
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Is it possible to export a VJoy axis with an LVar as source ?

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Reading a in sim LVar and sending it to a VJoy axis , this would allow me to hack some motion sim functions

opaque monolith
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yes

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output config -> display -> input action

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with "onchange" mode

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use modifiers to scale it to the 0-100 range (if I remember correctly) that vjoy expects

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display -> input action is a cool swiss army knife tool

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also lets you easily apply interpolation etc to a potentiometer input, much nicer than ncalc

winged narwhal
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Ah Great! I tried that this morning bud wasnā€™t able to see the axis move - but when this is the correct way I will check that

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Could be useful to bind the turbulence to a VJoy axis and in DRSM use this axis with the new joystick input to mix it onto heave or something

opaque monolith
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or see if you get any sensible data from the different acceleration vectors

winged narwhal
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They are already taken into account, but the Comanche has 2 flight models - the custom one you see and in the background the default one that MSFS requires - this one is also used by the motion software but it lacks some effects that are only possible inside the custom flight model - so I try to get the variables from that and inject it to the motion software

winged narwhal
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Maybe I shouldā€¦ šŸ¤”

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steep frigate
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šŸ¤£

opaque monolith
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oh I'm just saying you can get genuine HARTZELL PROP stickers at aircraft spruce

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and if you paint it matt black with white stripes on tips...

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it can look pretty sweet in the ceiling too

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cough sorry, I'll get my coat ;D

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winged narwhal
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I remember this photo when I bought the fan - but sadly itā€™s for the flightsim free area in my house so it has to be clean šŸ˜…

opal junco
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I have one like that. I am still looking how to get it integrated into Home Assistant, haven't thought about Mobiflight yet. I mean, sim racers have these air hoses for air flow simulation, for flight something that actually looks like a prop would be very much in style.

opaque monolith
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the fan?

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homeassistant now has the integrated IR reception and transmitter

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that would likely work

opal junco
opaque monolith
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@winged narwhal I am not sure if this leads to anything but I was looking around for something else in devmode

winged narwhal
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@opaque monolith thanks, I also stumbled across this. I donā€™t know if this can be used for FFB , the data needs to be accessible through simconnect. But i think (and hope) the manufacturer are aware of this

opaque monolith
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yeah I also wonder if this can be read somehow, even in wasm but would be pretty interesting if one could map this to stick/rudder control force strength

opaque monolith
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looks like asobo is adding control force simulation to flight models,

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its now in xcub for example but it needs to be in the aircraft flight model

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a new thing in 2024 it seems

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no access from outside but the parameters are there , so one could likely model something based on the dynamic pressure simvar and slip and alpha maybe

winged narwhal
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I hope this leads to some real FFB support in the future, this values are ingame for a while now but no one really knows what they are for

opaque monolith
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yeah they seem to be part of the new flight models. I mean ideally one would be able to get those out and feed them directly for control loading

opaque monolith
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but like tfdi md-11 has notihing

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so its part of some new aircraft model stuff

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need to see if there is anything in the aircraft creation docs

winged narwhal
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Letā€™s see how this evolves during the next years - the new SU looks interesting to regarding simconnect functions isnā€™t it?

opaque monolith
winged narwhal
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Just this

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Add support for mouse events in SimConnect with the MapInputEventToClientEvent function.

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Donā€™t know what it does exactly but it could be another possibility for sneaky workarounds šŸ¤£

opaque monolith
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my friend has this tool in a varjo sim

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where I think they have eye tracking to move cursor, and then they have a small encoder + 2 buttons on the leg of the pilot

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so they can look at a thing in the cockpit and then twist the encoder

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and it apparently works super well

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so if one could get the contr9ol that you hilight in blue" and could have some kind of "encoder-ring" (maybe could hack one from esp32 and some printed gear thingy)

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it migth be interesting on your index finger so you could rotate it with your thumb

opaque monolith
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  • Added ā€œCockpit Interaction Increase/Decreaseā€ to [Squeeze + Top/Bottom buttons]
  • These new actions will be useful if you have to interact with any system that is too sensitive to motion controls
winged narwhal
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Thatā€™s interesting! Back in the days we used the center view point to interact with instruments : pointing the cursor with the head to the switch you want and manipulate it with a button on the yoke

But I prefer the hardware after all šŸ¤£

foggy dagger
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That keyboard storage is great! Copying this haha.

winged narwhal
opaque monolith