#Discussion on the server rules

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solar fjord
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The Admin team is currently looking into reworking some of the rules of the server, and in doing so we would like to start some discussion to hear your feedback on it. If there is anything with the rules you think is weird, or badly implemented now is the time to let us know. This can be anything from "Rule X has a misspelling" to "Rule Y doesn't make sense to me, why is it there?" or even "The points from rule Z seem too high/low, that should be changed to better reflect the rule".
If there is anything you, for whatever reason, don't want to discuss in public. You are free to DM it to me, and we can discuss it there.

note: this is not a place for people to say "unban X" or similar, messages like these will be removed. This is to discuss the rules as a whole, not individual cases.

solar fjord
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I will start us off with the feedback that we should be clearer around moderation actions. It's no big secret that I'm not a fan of sharing details regarding the cases, but even though that might be the case we can still share more than we currently do.
Clearer communication about why an action is taken will help everyone understand it, instead of it just seeming like an arbitrary decision that's hidden away in a black box afterwards never to be mentioned again

sick star
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this is not a place for people to say "unban X" or similar
damn, he knew 💀

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i will say though, remove Rule 1. 🦁 🇳🇱 GEKOLONISEERD

sand osprey
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I think in general the goal should not be to create a perfectly objective rules/ban system, the community is small enough for common sense bans to work fine

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Like the whole points system and everything just feels like its trying too hard for no reason, outside of nitro scammers theres only a very small amount of people banned per year. If someone is a net positive let them stay, if someone seems like a net negative give a few warnings then ban if they keep taking the piss

sick star
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agree on the point system

dense veldt
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Rule 2a and 2b should be a insta ban. There's no reason somebody should be able to say "Fuck [slur] people" and only get 3/5 points.
Speaking of which, i agree with Soviet that the point system in general is flawed as somebody toxic can just go up to 4/5 then wait a little to refresh them, then repeat. Removing the system is a good idea.
Some other ideas includes:

  • reduce it down to 3. I don't know if this phrase is used outside of America giving its origin, but the saying "3 strikes your out" is a pretty good one. 3 gives enough room for people making mistakes and none for toxic people. There will be a need for point adjustment if the case.
  • don't let points decay. Strict, but removes point watching all together
  • let points be a case by case basis. There's a variety of extremes with each rule. For example the sexual rule. Maybe a warning/1 point for somebody who said "dear friends at f7src, are yall a tits or ass man?" And a ban or 4 (2 under 3 point system) to somebody who post straight up porn.
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Also, DM's should be able to be grounds for a ban. Somebody can do all of this in dm's for harassment reasons and nothing in the rules state that it's ok or not.

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And a rule saying "we can ban you or give points even if it's not stated in the rules"

latent river
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Serious question please no skulls /frote7srs

umbral frigate
latent river
quaint spear
solar fjord
solar fjord
solar fjord
dense veldt
latent river
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you cant ban people if theyre racist youd be banning like 100 people in here

solar fjord
umbral frigate
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so
this conversation will not get serious
what's the point to participate then? 🙂

quaint spear
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absolute buzzkill

umbral frigate
limber talon
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im sorry

sick star
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you will be

umbral frigate
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I agree with Crazy 100%

and also - we can laugh about anything and joke about anything but we need to understand each and everyone's else boundaries because not everybody will accept some crap that you think is funny about specific group of people

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and also also - stereotypes is for people who don't bother to think

umbral frigate
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btw - how many people is security and from how many time zones?

solar fjord
sick star
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i think you'd make a fine ChrisSecurity glebalk

umbral frigate
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well
I would like to help you on that but who am I right?
on the other hand - I would like to join caster's team

quaint spear
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@sick star u know what to do

sick star
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caster RandomPog

solar fjord
umbral frigate
sick star
umbral frigate
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faie enough

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fair*

sick star
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and you'd actually be active

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unlike Ⓜ️

umbral frigate
umbral frigate
solar fjord
umbral frigate
solar fjord
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That works as well, just send a link to the vod in the application afterwards :)

torpid shard
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I would like to say that I agree with what both Daisy and Soviet said. On top of that, I don’t think getting off topic should be worth 2 points, that seems like too much for a rule of that caliber.

solar fjord
daring vessel
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Another vouch on Dubov that overall the point system is overkill. Unless if admin and security is going to be a rotating role with high turnover rate it just wont show its benefits in moderation consistency.

solar fjord
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I will make a note that the points were initially implemented for security to keep better track of moderation actions. We had a couple of people being tolerated for way too long before then, because they would be muted for a bit and calm down before some time passed and they returned to their pre-mute behaviour. Not saying it's perfect, but it has definitely helped in that regard

daring vessel
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If so simple three strike will do. A lot of massive official server still uses that system and as long as the mods dont play loose to that rule the offending people would either tidy up their act or get drowned in the toilet.

latent river
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Removal of Rule 2c

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I would like to discuss the ways of life with the F7 community! Many different views especially on the Admin team

quaint spear
solar fjord
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Currently planned changes to the rules:

Updating all (x p) to (x pts)

Rule 2: We welcome all caliber of Hitman players. Be polite & respectful to each other and treat everyone equally. Use general logic and etiquette. Good behavior is expected of all server members, this includes but is not limited to; (base: 1pts, in severe cases users may receive up to 5pts)
-# Rule 2a - 2e remain unchanged

Rule 6: Try to keep conversations and topics in their respective channels. We have many different channels revolving around various Hitman topics and community topics. If you wish to provide feedback on the server or event rules, please create a forum post in #1046395549823283290. (1pts)

Rule 1014: Moderator decisions are final on things not explicitly detailed here

Info
3 points results in a 7 day ban, 5 points will result in a permanent ban (can be appealed), the points will start to decay by 1 point a month after 6 months since your last infraction.

If you spot any rule breaking, please report this to @Security in the first instance. If no-one is available, then please contact the @Admins.

Members of Security are: @solar fjord @vale pilot

Bans can be appealed through this link after 30 days https://www.f7sc.com/appeal

Competition rules can be found at https://docs.f7sc.com/

sand osprey
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Why would you open this channel, listen to everyone say the points system is pointlessly complicated, then make it even more complicated 😭

sick star
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get pranked

vale pilot
sand osprey
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People like gorg getting banned is an example of where the point system fails

glad bridge
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despite the point system feeling artificial, i dont think you could make it much simpler either

  • break these rules and you get a warn
    • 3 warns equal a kick? do warns decay? ooh maybe you should call them points
  • break these rules and you get kicked for 7 days
    • maybe temp ban is a better word
  • break these rules and you get permanently banned
    • aka not permanently, you can apply after 30 days (someone tell gorg to free himself already!)

but i'm not sure if anything can be made simpler

sick star
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it worked perfectly. chrome wants to play = 1 point to Gorg. what don't you get soviet

glad bridge
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Gorg was deservedly banned, he was a hassle to deal with 3 or 5 or whatever times
and he had to be aware after 2 or 4 or whatever points that if he keeps it up he'll be banned

sand osprey
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Hes active, casts, plays, creates jokes like waterfall boost etc, but because he was a bit too annoying 5 times he got full banned

sick star
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yeah perm seems harsh

glad bridge
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it's really annoying to share the space with people sometimes, making this place uncomfortable

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i dont think we'll have an objective look on this Soviet, i just feel like whenever Gorg was muted / warned, it wasn't because 2 or 6 messages were sent against the rules
more like half an hour of absolute nonsense

sand osprey
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I think a lot of the server would disagree, and i definitely dont think he made me uncomfortable at all (although some other people have)

umbral frigate
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I think this "Gorg drama" will never ends
and I even don't know this guy and what he did but I'm already exhausted of this

vale pilot
glad bridge
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i welcome that even the "permanent ban" route can be appealed after 30 days, i don't think we'll have cases of community members banned for months anymore
sometimes a break is warranted and you're right Soviet, someone we know shouldn't be cut from the community permanently (at least not for what happened)

dense veldt
sand osprey
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If the point system didnt exist i dont think you wouldve banned gorg mid rrwc

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And i scrolled back and his ban was for 3 off topic messages total, to me and Blul who were joking back

sand osprey
glad bridge
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iirc the point system was the answer mainly to Redfox being muted an absurd amount of times without a ban
maybe there would be a lot of short mutes in that alternate world? without repercussions or people improving?
kinda feels like that damned if you do, damned if you don't

glad bridge
sand osprey
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Ur right i take that back

vale pilot
sick star
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yeah im sure gorg can appeal if he wanted to and return. all i'd wanna see in the future is more transparency. what rule(s) were broken. w/e system works best for the admins/security is up to them

vale pilot
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I don't see why he would come back, if he had any interest in doing it I don't think he would've deleted his casts with people reaching out abt it

sick star
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if he wanted to
doesn't look like he does, but thats probably cuz of how it was handled

sand osprey
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I think it comes down to me not caring at all if someone is "offtopic" that causes us to disagree on this. Like if the convo naturally drifts to whatever in rrwc chat or roulette who actually cares. Like the world keeps turning. You can ban people for NSFW and racism etc and ye obviously i support that but banning people who are frequently annoying but generally well-liked by the community, i dont see any point

sick star
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so to avoid that in future hopefully we can have more transparency

glad bridge
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am i tripping or did we have dyno popping up in #gen-chat whenever someone was muted? even if for "10m mute because grb"

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i miss those i feel like that would be the step of transparency that could help

vale pilot
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I don't think there's been any moderation action in the past several months besides "grb spambot"

glad bridge
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the server looks ten times cleaner than when i was admin, so most of the rules are there just for safeguards (nitro scammers and unwanted invitees)
it just really comes down to whose tolerance limit to offtopic and messing around, some wouldn't mind more offtopic, i would have fired a warning shot a couple more times, but im just happy not having to moderate (i wasnt good at it in the first place)

glad bridge
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which is why i think revising the rules is a great idea, but feels like the only relevant part is "how much we wanna change tolerating the genchat spam"

vale pilot
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also bans have always been able to be appealed, it basically never happens tho

glad bridge
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the part where we all have different limits

glad bridge
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im sure Dyno sends it kindly as well

vale pilot
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I'm not sure, why don't you do smth bannable Kappa

glad bridge
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urmom
adios

solar fjord
glad bridge
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aah nice

solar fjord
sick star
vale pilot
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most everyone that's been active and has been banned has said openly they don't wanna come back

solar fjord
vale pilot
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rule 6 is the one abt spamming, that one was lessened but it's not really something that we care to use most of the time

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it's less "don't ever post in the wrong channel" and more "don't be a dick about it"

sick star
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reposting this

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seems i have my brightest ideas on my birthday 🔥

solar fjord
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We're working on a system for users to more easily find their current point total, though it won't be any kind of leaderboard

sick star
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close enough 👏 that's a dub

latent river
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Can I have an example of what a "Political Comment" looks like

sick star
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maybe i can cook something up and get some points at the same time

sick star
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"i dislike politics"

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this is just an EXAMPLE i don't actually agree with this statement pls no ban!

solar fjord
dense veldt
glad bridge
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are there plans to add more Security? totally not asking because of whatever is going on in #video-discussion

umbral frigate
torpid shard
umbral frigate
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me too

daring vessel
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If i can be exempted from the point system ill come with my application Kappa

solar fjord
glad bridge
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Awesome ^^

solar fjord
glad bridge
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Very much appreciated Randy

dense veldt
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I would, but knowing me I'm abusing that shit when I go hater mode

vestal belfry
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Plus there were several other minor instances that stacked on top of the above, which was the final nail. It was not a 0 -> 100 situation.

quaint spear
vestal belfry
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It was not, I was there rocky.

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Which you were also a part of but did not reach the point threshold for a ban.

quaint spear
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ah yes

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dj khaled

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very nsfw

vestal belfry
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Harrassing someone for no reason other than disagreeing with their belief system is against the rules, which you were doing along with Gorg. You didn't send anything NSFW which was part of the reason he was banned and you were not.

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This whole #FreeGorg and deifying someone who blatantly broke the rules is ridiculous to me, and I'm only voicing my personal opinion now because I'm not an admin anymore. If he wants to appeal he's free to do so, but trying to justify it as someone who was only annoying sometimes is just false.

burnt pilot
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no opinion sharing if youre an admin?

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F7SC political system goes crazy

quaint spear
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YMCA hit it high and loud

vestal belfry
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They're free to share their opinions (and often do) but on sensitive subjects it often just stirs things up since people view it as the express opinion of the admin team even if otherwise stated. Several times while adminning I've put my personal opinion out there and had to write "my own personal opinion" several times in the same message just so it wasn't taken the wrong way (and it sometimes still was).