Community feedback regarding Roulette Rivals kill conditions

[late thicket]

Is this chat so unoriginal that it has to copy and paste other peoples' messages? It's not funny and gets a bit repetitive. Come up with something original for once, and maybe you will find that people enjoy your messages.

also bring back secondary objectives for dart and ny

[formal rune]

Is this chat so unoriginal that it has to copy and paste other peoples' messages? It's not funny and gets a bit repetitive. Come up with something original for once, and maybe you will find that people enjoy your messages.

[untold hill]

also bring back secondary objectives for dart and ny

[late thicket]

chris based

[simple fulcrum]

I've had it happen a handful of times, but the only common trait between all of them is already sitting in the chair by the time Jordan shows up. Once as Stalker and then a handful of times in Suit (admittedly pretty much all of the suit ones were after me fucking around trying to do SASO "Oops I Did It Again" into Confrontation).

Stalker Confrontation worked fine if I was taking cover behind the little blind until he reached the laptop. Can only assume some weird thing of him seeing us trespassing in the chair but not caring enough to actually compromise us?

[pure cove]

Yeah so the very first time I tried this it failed. Channel might be right about sitting in the chair before Jordan arrives. Then again, I tried a couple more times in different outfits, sitting in advance and not and not sitting at all, it worked most of the time. So sadly I can't definitively say what the reason is, just make you all aware.
Anyway, this is how it looks. There's no salvaging this afaik 🙁

[odd summit]

I love unique copy moments

[acoustic iron]

just immediately turning around after seeing the vid is so funny

[candid mist]

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[safe kestrel]

Those spins already exist. We've probably also haven't found all the ways FPS manipulation could be used in roulette because it's not something people are explicitly attempting to exploit.

[untold hill]

yeah I'm not really sure tbh, I did it several times in different spins and different disguises (including Stalker) and never had a problem regardless of if I was standing or sitting when he walked in
I don't think the trespassing aspect really has any impact - npcs can't really see you at all with open dots

[untold hill]

I was mostly meaning like the full run up to this point, to try to figure out if some trigger somewhere is causing it

[pure cove]

Doing everything ASAP from the Crew start seems to work best to recreate the glitch. But it doesn't always happen (tried the same thing like 10 times, 50/50) and it definitely can happen without doing everything like this.
Here's two vids, I'm doing the same thing pretty much. 1 leads to the glitch, 2 doesn't

This can happen as well, apparently Here he seems to turn around after he's already "in range" for the shot so you can manage to shoot him still

[candid mist]

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[haughty fable]

Sorry for being a bit late to the discussion!

First of all, I have tested out the confrontation kill for Jordan and encountered the same glitch as Kum and Channel (https://youtu.be/QH0zPb9Gp_0 , https://youtu.be/B9rtfH-2r74 , https://youtu.be/QBNdmN6Q8ZY ). Once in my video examples without sitting in the chair (but I did still get into Jordan's line of sight for what it's worth) and twice while sitting in the chair.

Secondly, afaik, one of the main reasons Imogen consumed was banned was because it was easy to miss the opportunity on her first cycle. However, the kill can be done remotely with an EMP placed on the air conditioner's terminal, which allows better paths to be taken in order to make the kill possible on the first cycle. The only downside is being unable to turn off the air conditioner afterwards in order to prevent NTKs, but this should be an exit kill anyways, so no real issue. The only other delicate aspect is timing the kill correctly, but I find it easy to simply check instinct near the exit. Once Imogen stops having her arms crossed and starts other animations like looking at her watch (?), throwing her arms in the air or sitting in a chair, that means she is the only one in the break room. I have two video examples, one for the Ducker vs Buff spin included in the sheet and one where I get as late as possible inside the facility for triggering the opportunity.
https://youtu.be/QXEnMpNwiL0
https://youtu.be/eFd4gy5DbRM

In terms of Chongqing, I also know another good spot for Hush impact kills apart from the one in the sheet, which doesn't require any precise throw.
https://youtu.be/jDacyC0xi-k

Lastly, shouldn't a similar mention to the tailor one for Vanya kills have been made for Tamara consumed in combination with Chief Winemaker and Corvo Black? Last year's conclusion in this very thread was that these disguises were incompatible with this kill (btw, the one who first raised awareness at the time was also me). I've experimented with this condition again though and I've come to the conclusion that Corvo actually works pretty fine for Tamara consumed, but CW is still a big NO. More written details in the description of each example video (this message is already too long, sorry for that! 😅 ).
https://youtu.be/BudGK8kk_DI
https://youtu.be/hZAEvRPP75Y

[untold hill]

the Tamara/Consumed interaction is def in our notes somewhere, cause I know I saw it while working on stuff for this

yeah it's in the video example sheet, just under a note on the condition

[uneven abyss]

also for hush impact, you can just do your normal clearout and then ko one dude https://youtu.be/H52npiiCo3M

[frosty locust]

what action actually counts for jordan confrontation kill? is it the usb lure only or jordan has to be shot while sitting down additionally?

regardless of the chance of sitting down beforehand causing jordan to glitch out, sitting down with an empty gun forces you to stand up

also had this happen once

[pure cove]

Damn I wish this kill worked reliably. Wouldn't have been that bad of a kill for Roulette imo

[pure cove]

Oh, you can just lure him into the line of fire by conventional means?

[frosty locust]

even if you can, i have no idea whether it would be counted as the kill

like what's stopping you to completely ignore the USB and just phone chain him to the room

[frosty locust]

lol i think you read my question wrong

no i don't think the prompt to sit down appears if you don't use the usb lure

[late thicket]

im starting to think this kill shouldnt be added

[candid mist]

Nah it'd be hilarious now imo

[odd summit]

Yeeeeah, unlikely. Imo cake is still on tho, unless there is current video of someone standing next to the cake and the crew bugging out

[frosty locust]

i retried doing cake lure and it did break once started recording and it began to work flawlessly?

[odd summit]

Anything different about the runs?

[frosty locust]

nope

i doubt that a current vid would be useful as we have no idea whether that will remain as is after a patch

the game is most likely going to receive one before or during rrwc

[turbid grail]

maybe if cake gets added if it ever fails during a match it gets respun and they just try again

bc it has definitely happened to me more than once

[candid mist]

Pretty sure that would be respun yeah

[frosty locust]

can you even do the alexa smother kill as undertaker

[frosty locust]

yh you have to somehow soft lockdown alexa to delay her

locking her down seems to take her a long time to get out and then get immediately triggered by the pi arrival

[untold hill]

lockdown would still work there as well ofc

you can presumably also delay PI, but idk if the time difference would even be noticable compared to just starting PI

[candid mist]

Final day to submit!

[candid mist]

Thank you to all 36 of you who participated in the third biannual RR Condition Survey!
The results will be available in a moment. I appreciate all the votes and freeform comments, they'll all be evaluated with the Council to help kill conditions remain as fair as possible.

Results of the third biannual RR Condition Survey
(September 2025; videos available at: https://bit.ly/3JTm0w6)

Breakdown of the results by map

Breakdown of the results by category

[digital mist]

Can someone give me a TLDR on this? Any fun new changes?

[candid mist]

there are no changes yet Ohs, a 1-week poll was run for the third time, which just finished

[digital mist]

LOL I didn't even read the text above the spreadsheets. Sorry. Scrolling short videos all day has demolished my attention span.

[simple fulcrum]

It's always interesting seeing the end results and how they compare to personal opinion

[late thicket]

yeah, lots of people seem to have a wrong opinion on these kill conditions!

[pliant birch]

amount of red on unique kills brings a tear to my eye

[late thicket]

its beautiful

[pliant birch]

More importantly hash LOL

[late thicket]

return of the king 🙏

[pliant birch]

A lot of them around 50/50 though

[candid mist]

i feel like no matter the detailed results, we would always look to add 3-5 new unique kills (while removing 0-1 existing uniques) because of the overwhelming support to adding more unique kills

so thats one thing you can definitely expect for rrwc

[simple fulcrum]

There's a certain pair that I look at and go "First of all, one of those should be way higher, and they should not be so close to each other"

[late thicket]

we are losing the spirit of roulette day by day

can i get 5 pensive tacos

[pliant birch]

I assume there was a poll somewhere on just face value more unique kills and it was majorly positive right

looking at the detailed results here though I definitely don’t feel like I see overwhelming support

[candid mist]

yeah post RR17

[acoustic aurora]

crazy how many ppl voted to leave hippo rico

[uneven abyss]

crazy how many people think kashmirian snipe is a good idea

[honest basin]

crazy how many people think unique kills are a good idea

[untold hill]

hash could not be reached for comment

[acoustic aurora]

idk about hash , but this kill is just ridiculous , like we're just adding a second fall to the pull

[untold hill]

a lot of the kills can double as another method tbf
to be honest people voting for individual kills doesn't tend to be as relevant for kills that are currently legal - if something is already legal it's basically guaranteed to get ~60+% of the vote no matter what it is

but the trend so far in terms of general sentiment is that people are voting significantly in favor of having unique kills, so the goal was mostly to see about adding all of the ones that are reasonable when compared against normal kills and go from there

but I don't really think a lot of people have been against any one unique kill

[turbid grail]

i usually just vote to have new conditions because i enjoy learning strats i can’t lie

idk what the argument against banning old axe on berlin is tho

adds nothing but a 45 second sprint to the beginning of your run 🥲

[frosty locust]

shouldn't be a reason tho, we have much better candidates if we want to ban fetch quests

[candid mist]

i always like to think of Old Axe spins as 45 seconds of extra thinking time
maybe it's just a me thing, but being able to route the map, while on map, is a bonus

for me your previous comment is flipped, idk what's the argument for banning old axe, when it's just running, there are numerous lethal melees throughout the trilogy which only serve as detour, and numerous simple accidents require the same 45 seconds of work without progressing the map
i just don't think we can ban something for being out of the way, when the extra time affects both players

[turbid grail]

i mean my argument is it’s just really annoying

for other maps having fetch quests can be an interesting thing bc it fucks up your timings and pathing, old axe it doesn’t fuck up your timings because every target is on a tiny cycle anyway and it doesn’t fuck up your pathing besides kinda making you start suit which you’re doing half the time anyway

something like old axe sapi at least makes you use an unconventional starting location and changes the spin old axe berlin straight up just adds a minute to the spin

which i guess thinking time could be nice but idk usually im doing that while im running to the first kill anyway since first kill takes a second to setup usually

don’t get me wrong it’s just a petty dislike for it but i like going fast and every time i get an old axe spin it feels like it’s no longer fast

[candid mist]

😔

we just can't ban conditions on pure annoyance, but i can understand it's frustrating for single player practice

[turbid grail]

yeah i mean i get that

sets a dangerous precedent

just blows that every other condition on that map is super fun but there’s just a like 8% chance or something that your route just get severely limited in creativity by old axe coming up

[frosty locust]

Old Axe is only an additional 30s time commitment, it is nowhere creatively limiting as Fire or Falling Object
can easily fit any typical spin within 8 mins if you ignore Green and go straight for Swan

[warped rune]

I feel like its tough to draw a line in the sand for things like this cause its not even difficulty based its straight up just taste. Fetching is an issue with the game design and I don't think its limiting creativity, its just levelling the battlefield momentarily cause your only trying to beat your opponent. Sounds silly but feel like you could easily damage what the point of roulette is if you start removing slow things just because they're not fast things.

[untold hill]

imagine being the dev that added the old axe because they were like "oh people are gonna come out here randomly and be like 'huh why is this here that's cool'"
fast forward 4 years and roulette players have collectively wasted hours of their lives

[untold hill]

truth nuke that's me (in minecraft)

[turbid grail]

note: i am aware the opinion on old axe will not change, im simply making sure i dont seem like an idiot real quick

i actually don’t mind fetching at all in roulette in fact i often think it can be interesting, like hatchet on bkk for example creates a cool routing decision of do you get hatchet before or after emeticing ken for example

reason i dont like old axe is because there is no reason not to just start suit and grab it off rip, which kinda just eliminates all the fun parts of fetching stuff for me

thats my two sense at least

fire and FO which were mentioned earlier you at least get to decide between barrel, incinerator, and oil canister for fire or thames, swan, davenport, banner, rhodes, or monty for FO

[nimble saffron]

fwiw meekah i completely agree with you

like why have a melee item literally no1 has every said a good word about, its a video game

[turbid grail]

i generally have felt like rr has stuck a little too strictly to their rules almost to a fault, although i respect how much easier it makes it when trying to organize a tournament completely volunteer based to stick very strictly to rules, but yeah i feel like i always prioritize fun and fairness (for things regarding crashes and whatnot, although the rules on that have gotten so much better than when i initially was playing back in 2022 or whatever) personally

[candid mist]

because why would anyone talk positively about a melee kill?
i tolerate it, i feel like many of us tolerate it, its ban is consistently only requested by 3-5 people from 30-40 respondents and i just said good words about it the other day (probably doesn't apply to you as you and Meekah are much better at Berlin than i am).

i'm not sure there's a parallel between RR sticking to its rules too seriously, and a certain restrictive kill condition staying legal despite a minority requesting its ban. there are numerous reasons to ban or allow something, but (and i hate to bring up a slippery slope) the pain level of the Old Axe is compared to many, many conditions throughout the trilogy and we can't be thinking about thinning down the condition pool out of fast players' convenience.

and i feel like there is a controversy or suspected controversy behind every rule (the birth of PFs, the different steps of the crash rule), so in terms of being detailed for admins around the clock, it's definitely damned if you do, damned if you don't. you have to stick to certain rules if you want to have the same experience regardless of admin or timezone.

i'm worried the whole roulette ruleset is just destined to turn everyone off eventually, because there's 200 opinions to have about the rules, and it's easy to be more wound up about the 5 things we disagree on than the 195 things we agree on.

[nimble saffron]

yh i dont think rr is too rigid with its rules, id say we might be too loose if anything lol

i really dont care that old axe isnt being shouted from the roof tops by eveyrone cos i understand it barely effects anyone to know why it literally adds nothing except an rng triple shot oppurtinity to green to end the spin on

i really dont care that its not banned id never expect it to be i just wanted to let meekah know he wasnt shouting at a brick wall and talking madness just that i understand his takes

[turbid grail]

yeah i also understand the reasons for not removing it i probably wouldn’t bother in the rr admin’s shoes either

bc there are a lot of other conditions similar logic may apply to

maybe one day we’ll find a way to make the green or davenport triple shot work and it’ll actually be a cool condition who knows

[nimble saffron]

the green triple shot is super possible you just need to turn who ever hes next to making sure they cant hear or see him running while youre still stood where you take the triple shot from

[turbid grail]

i should try that out

[candid mist]

here we go again

[pure cove]

My feedback: for Dubai, Marcus Skydiving Loud Elim kills should be listed separately, since they are currently banned, while the same kills with other disguises are not. So it's weird that banned and unbanned kills are in the same boat, as I understand the purpose of the poll is to get opinion on which banned kills should be unbanned or vice versa

[candid mist]

I can add a line to specify that the poll is asking about "Any disguise" loud elim, and that Skydiving Loud Elim will stay banned no matter the result of this poll

[pure cove]

yeah sure, just want that clarity haha

[candid mist]

tyty for the suggestion ^^

the whole skydiving situation gets complicated to poll in a clean manner, we could have asked four questions (Loud Elim all, Loud Elim skydiving, Drowning all, Drowning skydiving), or merge it into one Miscellaneous question at the end, going to have to be for the next editions though

but it was on my mind so wont be forgotten forever

[frosty locust]

better to put the question here

also does being generic mean we can use any item at all(including dlc ones not available on any map)?

i can only think of the black almond dagger which is either a consumed or concealable melee that could give an advantage

explosive pen might be another one with concealable melee + (loud) explosion with the targets close to each other altho it's quite stretching it

[candid mist]

it's not set in stone at this point, my opinions are as follows

if one of the targets gets a generic condition(accident), would that mean that the other targets will never get a specific kill under that generic condition(electro)?
this would probably make sense if it doesn't require much work on Mike's end, i'm not sure how it is currently

also does being generic mean we can use any item at all(including dlc ones not available on any map)?
i don't see why any rules should be altered, even with your examples, i don't believe these "two-use" items provide any meaningful advantage

[late thicket]

It could help in spins with consumed + concealable melee i suppose. And remote explosive ig? Not sure how pen works

Can you throw it and still pick it up, then use as a bomb?

[candid mist]

afaik no, once it locks on someone's head, it'll explode in a few seconds

[frosty locust]

unless you shoot it while it is still in hidden stash

we are encroaching on notepad territory i know

[turbid grail]

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[dire sparrow]

here is my take on it all

[gritty plinth]

fire

[uneven abyss]

for which target?

[toxic cove]

Currently, generic kills do not filter out their specific counterparts (mainly because I don't have a way atm to distinguish a concealable vs a non-concealable melee item)

[candid mist]

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[candid mist]

Final day to fill out the form, thanks for all the help already

[candid mist]

Thank you to all 29 of you who participated in the fourth biannual RR Condition Survey!
The results will be available in a moment. I appreciate all the votes and freeform comments, they'll all be evaluated with the Council to help kill conditions remain as fair as possible.

Results of the fourth biannual RR Condition Survey
(March 2026; videos available here)

[candid mist]

Breakdown of the results by map

Breakdown of the results by category

[pliant birch]

respect to these 4 heroes

[late thicket]

I gotchu homes 🫡

[turbid grail]

keep fighting the good fight people we will get there eventually

[hidden sparrow]

we should all unite against the real enemy : impact explosive.

[late thicket]

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[dire sparrow]

thats tuff

[acoustic aurora]

if we consider berlin old axe ban , we should also ban it on other maps so its fair aka (sapi, colo, miami, mumbai, ambrose, mendoza)

[hidden sparrow]

uh why, they're not the same

I'm against the old axe ban but the Miami/Mendoza old axe for example are very easily accessible compared to the Berlin one

[acoustic aurora]

well its not that out of the way , just berlin old axe sometimes get a treatment of an easter egg item , but in reality its just a 40~sec time loss whenever its in a spin

[frosty locust]

banning penthouse in sgail should be the first priority

[dire sparrow]

banning~~ penthouse in~~ sgail should be the first priority

[turbid grail]

im down bro fuck the penthouse

[late thicket]

Fuck sgail

Get er gone

[pure cove]

Says Dartmoor enjoyer