Community feedback regarding Roulette Rivals kill conditions

[shell plank]

guess it would hinge on whether there's a recovery from missing the limited time window as he's walking to boathouse

[nimble saffron]

i want stuff like vanya drown and maybe even consumed

but not this

[gaunt monolith]

[nimble saffron]

where is she there? under the boat?

[gaunt monolith]

yes

[nimble saffron]

4 minutes of prep > blue egg on 2 random guards > cut the video right before you go red

you got me excited for a sec

[astral fulcrum]

Wait so does that not actually work 😦

[nimble saffron]

no

[frosty locust]

safe dawood live would be only peekaboo behind the bulldozer i think

chain luring may also work

[shell plank]

can it be done without making the shot timing for his guards?

[nimble saffron]

you would need to split them regardless, what groary said solves no issue

[shell plank]

yeah common problem IME is that Vanya can be slow so you don't always make that shot timing, then it's back to snail

[nimble saffron]

kill vanya without brick then

its actually stupidly easy

crowbar and a 90s window peekaboo on a 3:30 long cycle

[shell plank]

maybe but also surely makes Mumbai even slower and we're still bricking Dawood so it's not even brickless Mumbai

[nimble saffron]

it solved your issue tho

[shell plank]

does it though? does it solve the issue for most people expected to play?

like will they vote in loud Dawood in light of that info? it doesn't seem too convincing

[nimble saffron]

mumbai is only so boring cos we refuse to learn it im sure

that fucking brick

[shell plank]

it's boring because it's large and two of the targets are miles from each other, it's just a bad map

it's no fun doing all that running across, then additionally potentially running up and down the tower

like with SF, it's a simple problem of after you RIP 6+ minutes in the feeling of restarting is agonizing

[frosty locust]

even tho there are ways to make every combination of two targets get close to each other it requires massive amount of effort

[shell plank]

and requires killing one of the two very distant targets in many of those cases

[frosty locust]

except brick lure

thus

[shell plank]

yeah it's a hard map to make fun

[sand violet]

Mumbai is either do the most boring strat ever known to humanity, or spend minutes doing nothing but running
neither of them isn't much better than the other

[nimble saffron]

what warrants tamara consumed getting over 50% btw?

[frosty locust]

gorg

[pure cove]

Gorg's success in rat poisoning Tamara

Joke btw

[frosty locust]

yeah I've never played the main mission so i left all dozer options empty

[sand violet]

Tamara consumed IMO is worse than Don
since asado is the only way, while Don has 2 ways to poison

[shell plank]

serving pinot (now unlockable) is one way

asado is another

[nimble saffron]

serving is waiter only

[shell plank]

surely you can serve and change as we do with plenty of other targets?

[nimble saffron]

you get 1.5s from getting out of blend before shes dead

[shell plank]

or does it lock you in until she drinks or something

[late thicket]

you do stand there very long whilst offering it to her, cant leave immediately

[nimble saffron]

also the timings on serving would be 50s -> 7:30 lol

[late thicket]

no it triggers her if you place it later, doesn't it?

[nimble saffron]

oh ok

[shell plank]

well the timing would also depend on where you start

[late thicket]

like she'll go there when you place the wine (still sucks)

[sand violet]

I mean technically serving is not waiter only but it involves glitch so

[nimble saffron]

go on?

[shell plank]

yeah was about to say, not sure if that glitch is explicitly banned, I think so?

plus how do you tranq her in time if you can't make it to the store room anyway

[nimble saffron]

oh tranq glitch

[shell plank]

not tranq glitch

you tranq her after drink, she gets woken up, then she dies from poison

[nimble saffron]

yh its same idea as tranq glitch using that stupid animation to doesnt update the game

[shell plank]

I mean it's very different since you're not glitching the body found state at all

just delaying the kill in a silly way

[sand violet]

https://youtu.be/Vg_nfO6lgvI?t=139
there good luck with this lol

it's not even gonna help you at all in roulette

[shell plank]

so many people need making sick lol

can you serve the pinot noir at the bar spot near the asado?

I know you can serve malbec at one near reception but I'm guessing Tamara wouldn't drink it and it'd be finnicky to get her there in time

[sand violet]

probably but it'd work the same I assume
you are locked in serve prompt until Tamara dies

[shell plank]

you're locked in until she drinks

but so far she's only doing slow animation and there's enough time to make it to the disguise

could be she always does the slow anim with this, not sure

[nimble saffron]

no

my first go with it she died right away

only will be slow everytime if shes sat down

[shell plank]

are we doing it the same way?

[nimble saffron]

im just serving her pinot at all the placement spots she passes

all act the same so far

[shell plank]

you got her to the reception one?

[nimble saffron]

not the main reception no

didnt know you could place on that one

[shell plank]

think you can only place Malbec but you said all spots so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

not sure if Malbec can work or not, interested in knowing if it does

one time I tried I had trouble serving her

let's gooo

(this was really hard lol)

but maybe

[nimble saffron]

you can get her there easy when shes heading into the security no? i had no issue doing it in the one i did

oh i see, youve broken off

[shell plank]

yeah the point is getting someone else to serve her frees you

[nimble saffron]

yhyh how you do that?

[shell plank]

but had to get rid of two other NPCs (one guy in a red blazer in particular, idk if the other would also accept a drink) and in my case I'd emetic'd Tamara to the bathroom and needed to coin her close enough for the waitress to offer

[nimble saffron]

LOL

[sand violet]

omg rr viable strat

[shell plank]

it's a first step, maybe 😂

just wanted to see if it was possible first

where do I find the food vendor?

[nimble saffron]

lol

season 3

[sand violet]

been a thing since forever, it even let you serve as any disguise before it was patched XD

[shell plank]

ah so they patched it but didn't change the text

[sand violet]

yea

[shell plank]

they're so good at fixing text though

[sand violet]

so true

[shell plank]

when does she go there?

[nimble saffron]

think 7 mins on waiter start xD

[shell plank]

yeah aint nobody got time for dat

[safe kestrel]

What happens if you emetic her near the serving area and then serve her, does she get stuck or does she drink after emetic?

[nimble saffron]

ayy if consumed tam has, 2:30 5:00 and 7:00 timings then it has to be legal?

[shell plank]

fkn waitress just served another waitress

[nimble saffron]

LMAO

[shell plank]

I vote we unban this for the funny rip potential

Tamara was just about to go to security room though...

I did briefly trigger her proxy with Diana but cancelled it so that was like +20s or something

[nimble saffron]

oh sorry youre right

thats first cycle security visit

[shell plank]

why did I not think to check those videos 😂

[nimble saffron]

i watched both of them earlier

[shell plank]

I need to go grab dinner anyway, may experiment with this more after

[nimble saffron]

spamming right arrow key

[shell plank]

quick summ:
go near the serve area, waitress takes a break, place pinot and poison... while you stay near the serve area waitress won't return, if you leave she returns and serves absolutely anyone who gets close lol, there are 2 nearby NPCs she can serve (aside from the other waitress she has a convo with at one point) - yet to see if we can time it right to have her offer to Tamara without dealing with those NPCs or whether emetic will be necessary on them

[sand violet]

how about

just asado

[nimble saffron]

yh asado is more than enough, probs have to emetic yates tho in most cases

unless asado + pump lure works

[sand violet]

Don electro with microphone hype

[nimble saffron]

don in our fav. toilets

[shell plank]

Running and all

[nimble saffron]

tamara died at 3:50

(instead of 2:30)

[shell plank]

Are the plates served in a consistent order lol?

[nimble saffron]

yh

you can poison it like 10s or so after lighting the pit and it will always go to her

ok pump lure has tamara watch the disaster after the pinot check for like 90s (or maybe till don is dead)

[shell plank]

Ah yeah

[nimble saffron]

OK tamara consumed is not it

ive ran it like 20 times, and once out of all goes the plates went out to different spots

i guess you have to wait for it to be delivered

[gaunt monolith]

showed these the other day but is this not enough to unban loud live hush?

[nimble saffron]

first video isnt loading for me, but 2nd one is a bit shit since youre ofc in the most ideal disguise and youve binned off your exit one by luring him away

[late thicket]

2 is goofy

1 loads slow just wait a bit moo

[nimble saffron]

yh first one is really good

[shell plank]

think both are good

for 2 you just go out the window still if you're in a bad disguise no?

[nimble saffron]

for sure just dont think you ever want to do that method for speed reasons

[shell plank]

the more options, the better the case for allowing a condition... we can worry about what's best later

[nimble saffron]

yeah thats fair

[gaunt monolith]

test subject doesn't enforce anything and he doesn't hear the gunshot, he'll be coming up the stairs by the time you're coming back out the window if you need him for imogen

2nd method works like a charm from balcony with the emetic floorbang

top floor is also simple to clear out if you'd rather do that

less nightmarish condition than marcus loud live

[nimble saffron]

qrescent do you cherry pick your clip?

like do multiple retakes and take the best one?

cos your video for the peekaboo one looked so good then i do it and it looks like this

[astral fulcrum]

Top 10 questions even science can’t answer

[gaunt monolith]

try shooting from where i shoot

[shell plank]

was about to say the difference Moo is that you shot from way in the room so the guards ran there whereas in Qrescent's first clip he shot from right by the door so the guard ran to just by the door

just guessing of course there may also be an RNG element

[nimble saffron]

i tried both bluntz

[shell plank]

then show the example where the same thing had different results

[nimble saffron]

first time i shot as qrescent does in these clips and i thought, "oh i was too slow i guess"

[astral fulcrum]

Only other difference I see, and i have no idea if this has anything to do with it, but qrescent enters through the window whereas you enter through the door.

Stupid difference i know but maybe

At least from the clip provided that is

[gaunt monolith]

think you just need to close > shoot the second hush enters so mogwai doesn't get a headstart

[nimble saffron]

yh thats it, you have to be right in the corner and shoot ASAP as he enters

[shell plank]

does sound pretty sketchy if it's that close

[nimble saffron]

but thats my point, if a strats foundation is a guard not getting into a room where you shot the loud gun, its gonna bite you

he has to stop before he gets in the room

[shell plank]

you could try firing another shot to see if that consistently adds more of a delay

[nimble saffron]

just gona move on

got all these to get through

[shell plank]

Loud Live Sean for an easy break

[nimble saffron]

consumed tamara easily the most fun condition on this list

its actually a fucking blast

[shell plank]

I just sort of figured out the proxy serve with just 1 loadout slot (since you can grab the poison from Yates' bathroom)

[astral fulcrum]

dubai fire should be relatively easy if you can find a way to lockdown the targets without having the guards following them right?

[shell plank]

I think there's a logic to the extra waitress who can get served (something something proxy + timing) but that's probably annoying to figure out so I just KO'd her... I avoid any proxy convos and assure Tamara will get served even if the waitress would be too late pouring the drink
https://youtu.be/E42hCVzKVLA

[haughty fable]

Have fun pairing that condition with chief winemaker then

[nimble saffron]

dont get the issue tbh

extra server lady will piss off if you just dont hag around in waiter, bluntz

[shell plank]

ehh I wouldn't want to chance it tbh

like if you get there late you just might be "hanging around" for just the right time even if you change ASAP

[haughty fable]

Just... try it yourself and you'll see 😛

[nimble saffron]

gimme a spin

[haughty fable]

(When I experimented with poisoning Tamara with the asado a long time ago, she would literally get up from her chiar when she was just about to eat and head down for the tour.)

[shell plank]

just don't proxy him before emeticing or whatever

[haughty fable]

That's not enough

[shell plank]

it is...?

[nimble saffron]

gimme a spin!

[haughty fable]

Changing into his disguise is enough to trigger her for the tour

[shell plank]

hmm never experienced that

[haughty fable]

I don't see how a spin would relate to the issue I presented?

[shell plank]

IME siekering him from grape fields and then taking him was enough to avoid the proxy trigger and she wouldn't go down but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[formal rune]

I get this too if i do the snail lure and change into winemaker she stops following the snail like it even overrides distractions

[haughty fable]

Ime even simply KO-ing the chief winemaker was enough for her to come down. I might test again tomorrow.

[astral fulcrum]

Neck Snap/Don/Mercenary
Consumed/Tamara/Chief Winemaker

[shell plank]

well, when you're right you're right

even asado pit doesn't override it

btw I had a cool lure for when she's going down there which can be used to get her in the grape press

so Tamara FO > Tamara Consumed?

[astral fulcrum]

Oh yeah grape press would count as fo wouldnt it

[shell plank]

I would rito if not

[nimble saffron]

OK you win ilike, you have to change into winemaker as shes in death animation

bit finnicky of a condition there

[shell plank]

ban chief winemaker, allow tamara consumed

[nimble saffron]

i didnt swap into it untill she had knife and fork in hand

and she stood up and dropped em

[shell plank]

"you know what? I'm suddenly not hungry"

[astral fulcrum]

So just ban winemaker if the spin has tamara consumed should make it work for rr right

[nimble saffron]

they dont like doing that

[shell plank]

in the case of CW you could do barrel room 😛

[nimble saffron]

think its the reason vanya drown is banned, cos same effect with tailor

[haughty fable]

I think a similar issue would happen with Corvo Black too, as that disguise also triggers her for the tour btw

[astral fulcrum]

marcus drowning skydiving suit must be special then

[shell plank]

I think diff is that if CW is on Yates it still could be an issue

whereas Skydiving on Carl is fine

[nimble saffron]

^

that has honestly killed my motivation for this project

[astral fulcrum]

ah

[nimble saffron]

i spent like 2 hours on tamara consumed 😦

[shell plank]

I mean I still had fun figuring the waitress serve stuff out

and feel like it's another cool thing to know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble saffron]

yh but i forget things pretty quick

in a few weeks itll be like i never touch tamara consumed in my life

[shell plank]

I wonder if I could also get her to serve Yates, then it's a run

[nimble saffron]

atleast im prep'd for the few most likely kills to be unbanned

[shell plank]

what makes CW go to the fields again?

[astral fulcrum]

So if the spin had tamara consumed and chief winemaker for don, how long does tamara wait at the bottom of the stairs for the tour to start before returning to her normal route?

[shell plank]

forever?

[astral fulcrum]

Dang

[formal rune]

Is it not just trigger convo and wait?

The phone call i mean

[nimble saffron]

yh you would need a complete viable consumed opportunity for the tour part of the map

which apart from fumigation is the whole meetings storyline, mendoza is just too story driven of a map

[shell plank]

I forget if she drinks wine when she meets Yates after the tour but I guess it doesn't matter, that's too slow and not enough to do in the meantime

obvs she does in the full herald thing - I did find a way to do that fast at one point but it's not really usable unless you're able to use it to deal with Yates and Tamara on the way

once they're in the meeting there's not much you can do

[shell plank]

bummer then

[shell plank]

lol I just tested it and Croupier validated it as FO - I haven't added any special handling for it so the game must actually register it as a FO which is nice

surprising considering her body disappears so an 'any' kill still wouldn't rip SA

[nimble saffron]

thats cool

[astral fulcrum]

If that's Fo, then does it count crusher as fall?

[shell plank]

safe bet it would I think but not sure I wanna do a tour to test that right now lol

thinking about it, this is probably too much waiting for roulette tbh but it's pretty fun... though I guess the case is only when you're forced to use CW which would ruin the much more viable FO opportunities... unlike CP there's at least a backup here
https://youtu.be/bUv-ng5mo1A

(and you could also actually do the tour lol)

[gaunt monolith]

all flows nicely tbh
https://youtu.be/GvWCWlK4feE?si=M59DvTP3C4mk8xow

[shell plank]

it was flowing nicely up until the Imogen FO lol

but it's a nice idea, with a phone it should be pretty smooth

still those 2 NPCs seem like a pain... is it possible to place a phone, bump both of them, then ring it while standing near the checkpoint to get Imogen to respond to it directly?

(would sell me slightly on Imogen FO but that still depends on having KO'd her guard in advance 🤔)

[shell plank]

best I've managed to get so far... couldn't manage to avoid using the coin without also doing more finnicky manip (stuff that might suck if trespassing etc.) - sadly she won't just go for the phone itself after investigating the ring

the bumping idea didn't really work - maybe it would on just one but one of them ended up just getting bump lured when I tried

[nimble saffron]

emetic nade, 1 item, phone 1 item

[shell plank]

en ingles?

[nimble saffron]

que?

[shell plank]

in full sentences so this old man can understand

[twilit condor]

If you bring in a phone, you may as well bring in an emetic

I think that's what moo is trying to say

[shell plank]

aside from just being another option rather than just one, this isn't a 1s window of actually getting the FO to land on her - you get a decent time and it's an easy chance to recover if you miss the window because, say, a random NPC is coming down the alleyway making it unsafe to take the shot

(without waiting 70s+ for her to stop puking and get into position again)

plus emetic is really quite slow in comparison

also this method in particular accounts for not having to open the door

[twilit condor]

Wouldn't you open the door anyways to deal with imogens guard?

[shell plank]

didn't you see the fact I didn't have to deal with Imogen's guard here?

[twilit condor]

no, I didn't watch the vid 😎

[shell plank]

that's sort of the point and a problem I had with Qrescent's approach

imagine commenting on something you didn't watch 🤔

[twilit condor]

I was commenting out of curiousity, not judgement. I didn't understand something in it's entirety, and so asked a question about it.

[shell plank]

alright

[twilit condor]

Just to make sure, imogen goes to investigate because her guard is currently investigating the door shot right?

[shell plank]

yeah

and the two bystanders are distracted by the stair shot and the sentry guards don't respond to anything while you're close to them

do wish there was a better way to deal with the bystanders

[nimble saffron]

this phone stuff possible trespassing?

[simple fulcrum]

I would assume so since the only part you're really trespassing for is the door shot and it's relatively easy to get there while trespassing?

[twilit condor]

^

[gaunt monolith]

🤔

[shell plank]

yeah I figured phone chain was an option but it's not so much if you're trespassing

[nimble saffron]

in ideal disguise, doesnt show you need to be there before imogen 👍🏾

[shell plank]

and yeah requires opening door

[nimble saffron]

shot for the door kinda sucks too, its 1 go and then GG

[shell plank]

I guess but it's a pretty long window overall and there are other options if you want to balance the pros and cons yourself (e.g. actually picking the door, leaving a gun/briefcase to get rid of the guard, etc.)

this just feels like the minimal amount of work I've managed to figure out so far, if anything can be made simpler I'd be happy to see it

I'm still iffy on this as a condition, esp contrast to Claus FO

[nimble saffron]

I ran into this issue

[shell plank]

yeah random civs walking down the street is one of my issues with relying on a 1s emetic window also

you could just wait though and re-attempt with this

[nimble saffron]

well with the emetic youre just waiting

you can scan and prepare

[shell plank]

like wait for her to pass and take the shot from the same place I did

[nimble saffron]

youre not doing 50 actions

[nimble saffron]

how would i redo the attempt?

[shell plank]

pick up coin, bump imogen in place, place again when coast is clear

[twilit condor]

Can you potentially shoot from the top of the stairs by the bystanders?

[nimble saffron]

yh if youre ready for it

[twilit condor]

Just look to see if any random NPC's are coming

[shell plank]

after the shot? not sure, maybe they won't see up that far

[nimble saffron]

well you would shoot em the other way if youre planning for it

[gaunt monolith]

lockdown 🤩

[shell plank]

maybe after the door shot you can find a place to throw the phone so the sentry guards don't hear and Imogen responds, then ring it straight to a FO spot to get her there

the ranges seem limited when she's on that side of the door but if she's on the outside maybe it's good

[twilit condor]

I swear I said to do this yesterday, glad to see it can be done

[nimble saffron]

and it only took 37s

[shell plank]

footage missing 😂

like I know she locks down to the hidden drone room with the pipe electro... getting her to the point at the start of the video will be interesante

the NPC coming out from the body drop doesn't scare me at all

nor does the red guns after kill

[nimble saffron]

certainly works bluntz

[shell plank]

nice

[nimble saffron]

another W for 2 drone, once you lockdown hush after 2 drone is done as soon as it ends he goes to the consumed opportunity

puts consumed on a hook

[gaunt monolith]

motivated me to make this strat, with this he dies around 4 minutes and that gives you plenty of time to get facility engineer

[twilit condor]

Where did you get the fuse cell for the therapy room? (I think its a fuse cell)

[gaunt monolith]

third floor

[twilit condor]

ok

[shell plank]

recall using that for an electro once, it's a fun strat I wish had more use

[gaunt monolith]

it's huge for consumed though no?

[shell plank]

hard to say right now but I can only hope so

[nimble saffron]

seems good for suit spins

dying at 4 when it takes nearly 2 mins to setup from suit start leaves maybe just enough time to squeeze in most imogen kills and get a suit back or wait for him to die then finish imogen conditions after

[gaunt monolith]

forgot about the other strats, but yeah it makes good timing on most imogen kills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOKjTYD09q8

[fading valley]

Doing satellite in the big 2024?

😔

me n my homies do 2drone 🔥

[safe kestrel]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2251899809

[nimble saffron]

what if you missed the exit gym timing?

[safe kestrel]

The consumed poison that'd be most used is the one in the island

I've yet to film how to do that though

But I do have like four different Ljud FO timings up on the twitch channel tho 😎

I need to film the five others I know of though

[nimble saffron]

ive learned my lessson with testing stuff on haven, everything sucks cos of the viewcone

[pure cove]

Server lure

[shell plank]

is there a kill you can't do with server lure?

[safe kestrel]

Could also delay with lockdown or ordering Steven do meditate or whatnot

Wonder how long that delays him...

[astral fulcrum]

Fire

[shell plank]

oil canister 🙏🏾

[astral fulcrum]

True, server lure might be the most op lure oat

[nimble saffron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z8_bag2r7B5H8XQ_Vd-ASYUQAhf0cUdaorkUj-D70Gs/edit?usp=sharing i dno if im gonna do anymore but here is what i got done

after playing with all the ones i got to so far i think these are OK;
-Loud Elim Hush
-Loud Elim Mael
-Loud Elim Vanya
-Consumed Tamara (if corvo and winemaker cant show along with it)
-Consumed Hush
-Fire Yuki
-Falling Object Nolan

ones i dont like;
-Loud Elim Dawood
-Falling Object Imogen
-Loud Elim Pen
-Drown Pen

consumed tamara is probably the hardest condition to learn so it would scare a lot of people, but its fine

[untold hill]

Nolan is remoteable as well, I was kinda surprised to see it being banned for I think just being annoying and linear when that applies to a lot of things

[nimble saffron]

yh i didnt wanna visit nolan, i think we all know enough about it

think how phanium shows it on roure is pretty damn optimal way to do it, and no1 really was

[untold hill]

I guess I never really thought abt why Tamara/Consumed was still banned when it just requires a stipulation that already exists in the ruleset in Marcus

[nimble saffron]

i can understand if mike and the team dont want it, its probably making the spin generator more complicated

[untold hill]

but I suppose it was more because accidental trigger just kills your spin

[nimble saffron]

yh i think if you get the wrong hatchet and stuff it will also brick the kill, not 100% on that tho

[untold hill]

oh god whittleton beak staff

[austere flax]

oh yeah whittleton beak staff

[candid mist]

Moo you're awesome!!

[nimble saffron]

i dno if it helps anyone or anything lol, just wanted to do it for fun

[shell plank]

found a weird link

[safe kestrel]

https://youtu.be/84hEivdw2Jw

[nimble saffron]

imogen fo #2?

ill fix it in a sec

[shell plank]

nice... #4 is probably how I'd do it by default lol

[safe kestrel]

https://youtu.be/lCmVEn5CCBY

[pure cove]

Would have been cool to poison Steven at the server when he's the first one coming... but idk if you can set it up with a trespassing disguise reliably

[safe kestrel]

Certainly possible as long as you're not causing too much of a stir

Issue is that everyone has to be looking away from the unit as you poison it and it takes a lil bit for them to get into their positions

[pure cove]

yeah exactly

[safe kestrel]

I have a video here that combines those two banned kills #roulette message

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/jtio1U0k4Fo

[shell plank]

Tamara FO was always one of the most baffling bans for me, especially as one that was legal

[gaunt monolith]

yeah it's free if she's on the dining floor and you have a coin for a chandy or an emetic for the flower pot

[shell plank]

also a really easy KO and remote setup if you get her where you got yates and drag her under the dining table chandy in there

grape press is even viable for those annoying proxy trigger scenarios

[nimble saffron]

maybe the final loud live strat for it to be rr friendly?

[frosty locust]

wow they don't route through the body?

das crazy

[nimble saffron]

not sure if they do, but the door opens and blocks dawood anyways

[late thicket]

the bump to get dawood to go is also very useful backup for missing blegg/snail timing thanks!

[shell plank]

doing that with a shotgun won't be horrible?

[nimble saffron]

its not a fool proof strat was mainly thinking it for just a standard ISO

[warped rune]

I really like this approach, feels like as close as you can get to boxing him in terms of safety

[nimble saffron]

Yeah the end point you kill him at is nice, has one finicky little detail of bumping the guards for a decent amount of time to stop dawood seeing em

[late thicket]

i like

i remember the days we used to place 3 guns for the guards and KO them 1 by 1 going into the hut

[nimble saffron]

Maybe this chain lure works for a triple KO

Doubt it like cos him turning onto the stairs isn’t ideal

[late thicket]

you'd have to lure him a bit more towards the barge i guess, drag the food vendor behind that rowboat

[warped rune]

Is the nearest box really the downstairs one, none on any floor of that building?

[nimble saffron]

Can’t remember last time I went inside the boat house tbh

But yeah there is one as you enter the underground

[sand violet]

I did that back when I didn't have snail

will still do if spin is too lo heavy and can't bring snail

[late thicket]

blegg >>>>>>>>>> snail

[pure cove]

The other closest one would be in one of the shipment containers down at the tower. I remember that if guards find guns on the barge they'll carry them there

[formal rune]

I went undefeated 6 mumbais in a row with this strat 💪

[pure cove]

You can look them all up on a certain website btw ❤️

[formal rune]

I think obs meant boxes you put bodies in

[nimble saffron]

Yeah he did

[late thicket]

ive used that pretty recently cuz i forgot snail 💀 think i won it too

https://youtu.be/YEocESqew7k?t=2526 🥲

[candid mist]

help me i'm stuck watching a mumbai boathouse iso and can't get out

[formal rune]

Lol i swear i set mumbai reccie at one point with it too 😭

[nimble saffron]

Boathouse is actually the best iso more often than not

Timecube will enlighten you all one day

[formal rune]

Held it for 5 full days i might be the goat

[nimble saffron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1141905906964107264/1285179877212819476/2024-09-16_11-04-37.mp4?ex=66e95488&is=66e80308&hm=d85dcc6936376b3a21dd299a0d0aca128e0234274b5a404d8043a6034a0ffd92&

Yannini once had a sub5 rta mumbai in RL

[safe kestrel]

After doing this, I actually think it isn't too bad

I remember a year or so ago I was joking about unbanning this kill but it's not the worst

[late thicket]

not the worst is not a good argument to unban it

keep that shit banned 🗣️

[nimble saffron]

yh chain lure to a unintended serve spot, a really really really late natural serve spot and a fumigation strat is not the most ideal triple set of options

[safe kestrel]

I'm not going to argue for it

Ljud FO is good though

[late thicket]

its not good, good FO are simple and intuitive. Ljud FO is not that good

its like Imogen FO

bit easier maybe

[nimble saffron]

why does ljud keep going for the phone in that video where you shoot the same coconut like 5 times?

[safe kestrel]

She investigates the phone because she saw it so when it rings, she's the one who goes for it

Then it's just a chain lure

She never sees me pick up the phone so it never cancels

It's why Blunts insists on bringing the phone everywhere

[safe kestrel]

Correction: she never sees me pick it up after I ring it

She can see you pick it up once you've just placed it down

Actually isn't too bad for isolating Steven when he's talking to the snorkel instructor because you can lure him behind and kill him in the bushes

[late thicket]

i didnt understand that but sounds good

[safe kestrel]

Blunts made a whole, very well-made video about all the different lures and in it you can see how to do the phone lure and chain it

[nimble saffron]

im not on bluntz wavelength

[safe kestrel]

Good to know buddy

[shell plank]

Ljud FO looks way easier and more open than Imogen

[nimble saffron]

yh but the map is more complex

it matters a lot to people, i know it shouldnt

[shell plank]

in fact it looks easier than Steven FO lol

let's just ban Steven FO

[nimble saffron]

steven FO is 1 trigger and an easy shot or a remote setup with infinite time

find me a remote ljud fo

[shell plank]

easy server lure

[late thicket]

what trigger

[nimble saffron]

give him keys

[nimble saffron]

remote FO with server lure is rough

you cant leave em anywhere they dont get found

[late thicket]

then he goes under a FO?

good to know

remote setup though? how

[nimble saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Opotrgh8g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32x5sASEHTE (kinda remote)

[shell plank]

in other words, not remote at all?

[nimble saffron]

find me a ljud FO which isolates her under one for infinite amount of time*

sorry for being lazy bluntz

[shell plank]

easy server lure

[nimble saffron]

she gets found

[shell plank]

nah

[safe kestrel]

I mean, once they fix the server ig but I don't think that happens if you've incapacitated the other targets

Maybe they can still fix the server if they're not all there...

🤷

I know for a fact though that if it's found you can just leave her there, then that still won't change anyone's opinions

[safe kestrel]

How does this not get discovered by his bodyguard?

[nimble saffron]

its a shit video but once they do the laps around the island his guard waits for him to complete em

so if you KO the guy who runs with him at the start of your spin hell be left alone

[safe kestrel]

...

Alright

Do people realize you can phone Ljud and she'll walk underneath the coconuts at anytime before around 4:20ish?

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/hT3ChD1jmn0

only person who finds is the guard who walks across the pier

[nimble saffron]

so she gets found?

[shell plank]

what's the remote FO for Yuki again?

[astral fulcrum]

Sniping the chandelier in the right disguise from a remote location

[nimble saffron]

1 target map

natural cycle timing too

[gaunt monolith]

yeah, but can be easily avoided

[honest basin]

https://youtu.be/aG9agfKwRGQ?t=20

[nimble saffron]

LOL

he even said it was fun

[shell plank]

she gets found

[honest basin]

How tragic?

It’s an accident

[shell plank]

so it's the same as some of the Ljud ones

[gaunt monolith]

ljud fo is exactly this with an easier trigger and easy shot, then you can redeem it if you fail it with a chain lure unlike steven where the chain lure is first or you risk it at the end with the timing

[gaunt monolith]

^

[formal rune]

In conclusion ban Alexa consumed

[past flume]

i remember doing ljudmila FO with a phone call lure, you have to get rid of 1 roaming guard and just place a coin

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/lG5FX8Y98pI

[nimble saffron]

lol

[safe kestrel]

Damn

[shell plank]

unban poison all targets

[pure cove]

I like the Maelstrom is in the background of this video

could have gotten both of them with cp consecutively

[safe kestrel]

You know, if they're picking up the briefcase and you serve them, it completely glitches them out which is why I discounted the Steven briefcase consumed kill

[naive bluff]

proves brick lure is still mumbai meta

[formal rune]

I was so sure dawood painter iso was gonna overtake it

[safe kestrel]

Guys, I may have found that it's possible 😬

[safe kestrel]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2255065134

[nimble saffron]

any interest in me going down that list any more?

might do some tonight

[late thicket]

you can go down on m uh idk think not

[candid mist]

If you have time and motivation, then yeah it's a very interesting project and your help is much appreciated

Admins are deciding on the condition changes these next few days, but I'll definitely include your findings for the next poll!

[nimble saffron]

https://youtu.be/Z3O2YZ8SIvo grand paladin FO tamara, for sure real quick if don isnt live. Moves around a ton of disguises tho so its a lot to learn lol

isolatable HoS, sommelier, providence herald etc.

[shell plank]

is it not faster and simpler to just emetic her, redfox the basement and drag her under it?
that's the ez way I used to opt for and is remoteable IIRC

[nimble saffron]

not even close

if you combine this with pump lure you spend around 30s setting her up

and shes under it forever

[shell plank]

yeah I guess, just the restrictions on having to KO Don and all the setup, plus the fact winery worker is a very uncommon start

[nimble saffron]

winery worker is maybe the 2nd best start

[shell plank]

ehh

[nimble saffron]

covers literally everything waiter cant

[shell plank]

but waiter is just so common that it still makes winery uncommon lol

[nimble saffron]

youre unaware im afriad

[honest basin]

i feel like waiter isn't that common

[shell plank]

then it has to share that with all the other starts

[nimble saffron]

waiter and asado are the same thing in my head scruff, its just early tam vs late tam

you get don in the same spot and tamara in the same ballpark

[shell plank]

but any way, point is, most people often do a quick emetic maybe x2 on Tamara and you can get Tamara under that FO easily from there

you could probably also combine that with Qrescent's lure down of Don

but considering he's just upstairs he's not far off with that approach either

[nimble saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4CPByCUYi0 is this a decent run?

[shell plank]

seems pretty standard

easy to understand with even my lack of Mendoza experience too

[shell plank]

also btw fun fact in case you didn't know - you don't need to Grand Paladin if you destroy it - you'll be able to place any wine bottle in its place... probably doesn't matter much for you as you've optimised the combo with poomp real good

[nimble saffron]

can you wallbang it?

[shell plank]

yeah you can shoot it right through the glass panels

just hard to see/lineup, not that I played with it particularly long, but I was experimenting with it only as an iso for a bit and that's how I discovered the stairs hiding bodies

[nimble saffron]

ill write it in description atleast, ty

very high level mendoza, no1 is probably that bothered

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/tJMjXSHza5E?si=jnxryhxNYJ0PATkd
https://youtu.be/032wIuzV9d4?si=DMRtdb9b-dswtLA3
https://youtu.be/Kxzy76Cjvt8?si=WsDHmu-7_LH8zM0-

if you leave 2 guns on the ground before dawood gets there you'll be golden, forgot to add that in the 2nd vid

[nimble saffron]

https://youtu.be/UJg2vv9paYk

[vernal pumice]

!video https://youtu.be/Bk7AtyW4WwA

i tried when she's in the meeting room but it doesn't work

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/IpCY8E4BJZE

https://youtu.be/pIFSshZZTrA

https://youtu.be/lMXOC1QEjsc

https://youtu.be/-Yg2khG7uKQ

https://youtu.be/mxSYAyGcevo

[shell plank]

those are really cool

[honest basin]

Especially the first one

[simple fulcrum]

Found another strat that could work funnily enough

[simple fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/G0psShrM0wk

And this is how large the area the taser can go is since the puddles apparently link together

[safe kestrel]

Very cool y'all!!!

[nimble saffron]

Any Ezra electrocution strat that spends over a minute on setup, has 1 timeslot that mixes with other good ISO windows or uses 2 item slots is not very viable for spins.

[shell plank]

Multiple of those look plenty viable for spins to me

[formal rune]

What do you mean viable

[shell plank]

adjective
capable of working successfully; feasible.
¯_(ツ)_/¯

[formal rune]

If it is difficult and disrupts other isos how is that inherently a bad thing

[shell plank]

and yeah sharing timeslots with other over-used isos is a non issue IMO lol

[nimble saffron]

This is for the community though, not you. Barracks ISO mixes with Sean shed and sees little play.

[shell plank]

Moo hath spoken on behalf of the community

[formal rune]

Idk i see the community suggesting loads of ways to do the kill and you deciding theyre not "viable" on vibes

[honest basin]

And moo is right

[nimble saffron]

It's just my opinion, I really like the roof distraction one cos it uses nothing but a taser and can be done at any time

I may be wrong just wanted to add my input, sorry

[shell plank]

I'm fine with you stating opinion, just not dismissing mine as "I'M talking for the community, you're not" lol

anyway we should ban Ken consumed because to get him first cycle we'd have to miss Jordan peekaboo

[nimble saffron]

I'm just assessing how I see others play spins, i'm not doing it as an ego thing, you're a very different player to the average community members bluntz

[shell plank]

nah not really in terms of roulette

if anything I'm below average

[honest basin]

He didn’t say better or worse, just different

Your playstyle tends to be quite different

[shell plank]

I'm saying worse

"different playstyle" is meaningless

average community members just dropped 6 electro strats anyway

one or two of them I wouldn't do but at least two look really simple - one even overlaps with Ezra fire

[simple fulcrum]

Fair

Imo I think my only issue with the Fire Strat Electro is the fact it requires both taser and phone (if there was a car battery on the map I would have 0 issues) since the timing of it isn't much of a problem honestly considering once thing are set up it basically becomes "click the button to call the phone when you get the Picture In Picture that Ezra is investigating the fusebox" which can easily be done while iso-ing Maya/Sean

[shell plank]

it doesn't require phone

you can chain lure Ezra all the same

[simple fulcrum]

I guess he does probably stay in his shed long enough to run over and do the fusebox and chain lure after Sean Shed. Didn't actually check since I'm so used to seeing people use phone for it

[shell plank]

yeah if Ezra and Penny meet you get time to iso Maya at least

same for Penny barracks, there's definitely time to do Sean shed if you let her meet Ezra

and I think technically Ezra's on a hook for shed too since if you dose the prisoner, after investigating in the basement I believe he goes back to the shed

that's just too slow for anyone to want to do that

[simple fulcrum]

Can confirm

That's how you get him to blow himself up

[gaunt monolith]

yeah you've got until 2:15 - 4
https://youtu.be/i6e24YX0Vko?si=yujz-21WvLcs9L9o

[simple fulcrum]

Ok the fact you only even need to KO the outside guy is an even bigger help

[shell plank]

yeah and like with fire the fusebox shouldn't be necessary if you place the phone far enough on the left of the barrel

[nimble saffron]

Ezra paths differently into the door when you use the OD story, he doesn't hear the phone then

[simple fulcrum]

Makes sense. Fusebox is honestly just a nice reminder that stuff is/should be happening since I feel like I remember my first time trying it out the phone only actually ringing for a limited time so it's a nice way to make sure I don't start it ringing too early

[shell plank]

yeah with just the outside door KO'd I think you should be able to leave it ringing from the start - however there's a chance another hears it if you trigger some outer perimeter guards I think

[simple fulcrum]

Oh neat. I feel like I remember the actual music stopping before he got there but I might not have checked if it still lured him since I might've picked it back up and set it back down beforehand

[gaunt monolith]

scarecrow is also perfect for fast electro

haven't tested if it works with just a drag

[astral fulcrum]

It isn’t tbh

[simple fulcrum]

Checked, you get way more than enough time for both Maya and Sean if you walk within range to proxy the actual conversation between Penelope and Ezra

Only issue is it also delays Penelope returning to the house until almost 8:30

Didn't check if you have time to do some version of Barracks Iso on Penelope while still making it back in time to Chain Lure Ezra

[shell plank]

I'd think Ezra then Penny, you can leave a gun behind a small bit of cover by scarecrow to delay her a good time, I sometimes do that when I need to do extra stuff before isoing Sean

[late thicket]

these are all ridiculous for actual play aint no way people will figure this out lol keep that shit banned 🔥

[shell plank]

scarecrow is easy to figure out

• it's literally a time slot people iso him anyway

[simple fulcrum]

Fair enough

Literally all I brought in when checking how to match Chain Lure with Sean and Maya Isos was the Taser. Idk the location but placing the smg grabbed from the guard outside Ezra's shed would probably work. Wherever it is that should be placed

[shell plank]

here's where I place weapons to delay Penny barracks https://youtu.be/3qQFxcpMzZ0?t=56

[nimble saffron]

i dont like scarecrow method, it means youre leaving pen up and then tight on maya disguises

https://youtu.be/mxSYAyGcevo this is the only viable one imo

[shell plank]

NTKO also means you're leaving pen up, so what?

[nimble saffron]

NTKO means im killing pen at 70s

[gaunt monolith]

if you're clueless you have the first vid

[shell plank]

with explosives spec old axe?

[nimble saffron]

LOL

alright bluntz grats

[shell plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

condition may lead to interesting spins, keep banned 😛

[late thicket]

yeah great kill condition we need this

[shell plank]

so fire for Ezra was one of the more favoured conds

and electro for Ezra can have the same strats as fire (minus an auto KO iso with snail tbf) + like 5 others

[nimble saffron]

there is no logic to emotional based decisions bluntz

[shell plank]

there's no logic to anything you say I swear 😂

[nimble saffron]

its just you will sit and try to argue for kills always when the truth is you could just allow them all

the fact some are banned is literally just vibes and feel

[shell plank]

I wasn't putting up any arguments for kills, I never would've considered Ezra electro viable for roulette

I have been happy to have my mind changed tho

[shell plank]

and that's literally what the polls and this entire thread is for addressing?

[honest basin]

Yeah and people don’t like the vibes and feel of electrocution 😄

[shell plank]

People: Moo (and you? you've not really added anything, just slights?)

[nimble saffron]

ive not added anything?

[shell plank]

the you in that was referring to Scruff

but anyway my only point was that the people's vibes for Ezra Fire can be directly passed onto Ezra Electro due to sharing the same properties, though arguably Ezra Electro is way better

[gaunt monolith]

don't be clueless then lol

interesting condition imo and you can do it on almost every part of his cycle

• he's on a leash

[shell plank]

yeah and if the timing of scarecrow peekaboo isn't great, can call him to the basement and peekaboo him on his next exit

or do that window strat though that'll obviously be harder after some targets are killed if not allowed in the house

[nimble saffron]

ezras on a leash, easiest target in the trilo!!

Some time this evening ill host a banned conditions showmatch, whos down?

[shell plank]

I'm down for every part of that aside from the time

[nimble saffron]

well visit maps with curated spins and compete in 30 mins to win

[shell plank]

my internet sucks in evenings

[late thicket]

go play blunts and see if he can do it in a match

if he can, unban it

🤝

[shell plank]

the funny thing is I'd probably thrive on improv-ing the awkward kills and fail hard on the standard stuff

do we include conds that Moo wants unbanned?

[late thicket]

yall pick a few each

[shell plank]

nah I think Moo should be the authority in whether a banned cond should be played

have Pigi on the cast just making sarcastic digs

[late thicket]

i will make spins muehehehe

[simple fulcrum]

This is a fun PiP I just got (literally at the exit right now since delaying Ezra with guns also works)

[late thicket]

cuz this is thriller

[gaunt monolith]

anyone wanna test if the scarecrow method works with just dragging?

[shell plank]

not really 😛

[late thicket]

no

[shell plank]

I don't expect that to work but I'll be amazed if it can

[nimble saffron]

I LOVE DRAGGING

[late thicket]

i think you'd look fabulous in a dress moo

[simple fulcrum]

Imo the answer is "technically you could but it's probably either Cycle Hell or Redfox The Area"

[simple fulcrum]

And the fun thing is, I was kinda only 1 disguise away from performing it as a valid roulette spin.

Maya/Screwdriver (NTKO)/Militia Technician
Sean/Neck Snap/Militia Elite
Penelope/Kitchen Knife or Cleaver I forget which one (NTKO)/Militia Elite (Small handful of disguises I probably could've grabbed but didn't quite think to grab during the run)
Ezra/Electrocution/Hacker (Didn't actually change into Hacker but it was literally right there since I changed into Militia Elite at the Ezra Shed)

[gaunt monolith]

just was wondering since the techs are turned around

[shell plank]

I think the next easyish option would be to emetic him to the spot behind scarecrow and drag him from there but I don't think it'd play well

[gaunt monolith]

yeah if it uses more than just a taser it's not viable

[shell plank]

don't think that's necessarily true, there's definitely already times to bring a taser and snail for Ezra fire

[nimble saffron]

whats the best video to learn how to throw lure don down after lighting the asado? this strat makes no consistent sense to me

you can throw and shoot in the exact same spot and sometimes its heard and others not

[shell plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt2nYoFHX6Y I just use an audio device though cos easier

[nimble saffron]

phone not work?

[shell plank]

phone might be too loud and gets heard by others, but could try to find a magic spot

[late thicket]

mine is clearly superior

https://youtu.be/h8F_uIAGcZA

[shell plank]

smh your tamara left exposed out there for anyone to see

[nimble saffron]

whats your reference for the throw here?

seems like unless its practiced recently youre gonna miss time that

[late thicket]

instinct

so yeah id miss this

[shell plank]

that was like a couple seconds after Yates changed direction

[late thicket]

hence i never used it

but rather throw early, so if he doesn't hear

just keep tossing

sth you should be good at, ya tosser

[shell plank]

or when he passes that shaded rect on the minimap

[nimble saffron]

its hard to use mini map for stuff like this imo

could be skill issue but this feels like ken shot which i also hate

[late thicket]

ken shot sucks balls

[shell plank]

a for stuff?

[nimble saffron]

huh?

[late thicket]

i only use minimap lineup for sophia radio

[nimble saffron]

same tbh

[shell plank]

I use her animation for that

[warped rune]

Isn't it based on the doorway separation, surely the animation can be off?

[shell plank]

too early

[nimble saffron]

sophia and her guard are surprisingly consistent obs, but in general using a body animation is not the way to go

[shell plank]

nah when her legs reset I go and it always worksonmymachine

[warped rune]

Fair, haven't tried so I won't knock it

[late thicket]

w/e works for you

[nimble saffron]

throw lure is WAY too hard

too early again?

[late thicket]

yeahhh only champions can get that down 😉

[nimble saffron]

oh nvm i see

sent the girl

[gaunt monolith]

for the sake of unbanning it i mean

[shell plank]

yes he's before that part on the minimap when you start throwing

[nimble saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-see-anything-ken-jeong-ben-chang-its-so-tiny-cant-see-gif-4279507211752143591

[shell plank]

1080p gaming

[nimble saffron]

[late thicket]

siuuuuuuuuuuuu put it on RouRe

[nimble saffron]

1/20, good enough

[late thicket]

consistent might i say

50/50 really. you either hit it or you don't 🤣 🤣

[nimble saffron]

tbh the minimap lineup is kinda good

that random fucking block youll forget in the middle of dons icon, or is front or back?

[shell plank]

roulette would be so fun if we didn't have to remember things

[nimble saffron]

this actually isnt so bad

imma make a video then i need someone new to test it

@ Pac

[astral fulcrum]

Yo

[nimble saffron]

nah chalked

[shell plank]

it also seems easier if you delay shooting the pit a bit so Don has a head start and Valentina is out of the way

[nimble saffron]

its the same as ken shot, if the guard spacing is bad youre just screwed

can argue i went late there but its just so damn tight if you have to go earlier than that

[shell plank]

well you're shooting when he passes the point on the map rather than throwing at that point

should be able to shoot a fair bit earlier and be able to line up the throw then just wait for the lineup

[nimble saffron]

yh but then whats the lineup

before he gets to that random marker on the map

[shell plank]

when he passes it

[nimble saffron]

thats a vague description tho, cos when does he pass it?

gotta reference the icon, cos thats what you see

[shell plank]

idk I'm learning along with you but so far it doesn't feel that tight so just "as he passes" should be good - I'd say when his dot is parrelel at earliest, after his dot's passed at latest

[nimble saffron]

that was early

i think

audio device only imo

[late thicket]

idk, youre using asado so different timing

[nimble saffron]

its still don out the same door tho

[shell plank]

as I say the one thing that feels kinda nice (idk if it actually matters or if it feeling scarier makes me fumble) is Valentina being out of the way if you shoot the pit later

Don's coming at the same time but Valentina stays up there so they're all on one side

[nimble saffron]

yh i understand that but valentina is not coming for the throw so shes not the issue

don always has non distracted NPCs around him cos of the guards, you cant be afraid of valentina and not the guards

cos the guard might be up his arse

[shell plank]

Valentina is not always non distracted though depending on when you do the shot

shot distracts her and keeps her there, then you can throw and she will be around and not paying attention to the shot because the guard is

[nimble saffron]

valentina is only in play if shes ahead of don but doesnt hear the shot

[shell plank]

if she hears the shot it doesn't matter, just makes things worse as she's not going to lock in

[nimble saffron]

talk about her all we want i guess, but this is when the throw hits the wall

shes in fucking narnia

[shell plank]

^

I am only speaking to my experiences with this

it'll all depend on exact timings of when you're lighting the pit and firing the shot

if you do it super fast it probably goes the other way

like right here I literally caught her (and GRB'd the waiter so I'm not exactly playing smooth lol)

[gaunt monolith]

ken shot never has issues with otis if you time the square right

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/XDvX919c3Nw

https://youtu.be/Xginq8t0-kM

[shell plank]

might be worth mentioning - you can get Penny to go to interpol alone by showing her the badge at specific times when her guards are dismissed... not 100% on when but the idea is similar to the barracks lure

[gaunt monolith]

guards don't matter here since she goes unfound indefinitely, but that seems good for fire and whatnot

[shell plank]

yeah at best you'd be able to shoot or dump her into the slurry pit for extra safety with a mid spin kill but it's probably worse than what you already came up with since her guards seem to stay put there anyway

[gaunt monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8JmoIhag_o

[safe kestrel]

Kinda looks like the guard was rushing to where you were about to get ripped 😅

[gaunt monolith]

could be safer to throw the case more to the right, but ime he doesn't check the window

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/QmHpwwBj1Cg?si=ERjeby1zYrF3t6wa

[candid mist]

Round 2 hype!

[nimble saffron]

🧵

[candid mist]

Oh right

Gonna delete and repost when the link is edited lol

[hidden sparrow]

following

[candid mist]

so does Marcus Consumed basically rely on: 1) emeticing Lucy 2) serving Marcus a (not poisoned) drink 3) poisoning the other drink the Event Staff makes in the mean time?

[nimble saffron]

That’s my understanding, emetic to get him in serve range, then serve a clean drink to give you time before his “real” drink… right? @uneven abyss

[uneven abyss]

yeah pretty much

[sand violet]

most intuitive RR kill in 2050

[uneven abyss]

This basically pressing z to drop a durian next to Lucy, press g to serve 2 and half minute later, and poisoning the other drink

[nimble saffron]

is there any free lethal poison gettable?

[late thicket]

assassin 😭

[uneven abyss]

I never noticed he dropped poison but yeah it would be good if it was in the spin

[nimble saffron]

gettable pigi!!!!!

[sand violet]

but but but it's not right click then left click !!1!!!!

[candid mist]

Next cast im gonna reduce the spin to inputs

[sand violet]

real

tbh though, serving unpoisoned drink to have npc prepare drink to poison feels too specific to be intuitive, and condition should be at least intuitive

I don't like Nolan fo, but at least it's intuitive, I don't like Claus fo, but it's intuitive

I don't even know if every condition should be intuitive, but I THINK it should be

[candid mist]

Fully agreed

Feels like this kill is mainly a gimmick, designed to trip ppl up

[pure cove]

Why is it necessary to serve the other drink first? What would happen without that particular step?

[late thicket]

just wait for him to walk past that grass circle! as intended

[shell plank]

having MS consumed legal while CI consumed is banned would be a mad universe to live in

[late thicket]

can we allow it just for Frank 🦅 matches, keep it banned for the other players?

[nimble saffron]

CI isnt one of them with the bugged plate?

[uneven abyss]

He blocks you from poisoning the other drink from where he stands

[shell plank]

yeah, the other option is the whiskey he drinks naturally

[nimble saffron]

yeah but thats the general idea, maybe old thinking but if there is a obvious consumed available thats bugged thats why the ban is looked at

[uneven abyss]

Also it serves as a good delay to get your disguise from near exit

[shell plank]

well whether it's even bugged will vary, if the player wants to take that risk then go for it

there's a non bugged simple option that's even more obvious

[nimble saffron]

was carl consumed even in the poll?

[shell plank]

idk

[nimble saffron]

i dont remember seeing it

[uneven abyss]

I think it was

[pure cove]

That's... stupid

[uneven abyss]

Now that I think about it you might be able to stans in his way longer enough to poison it

It's poisonable as soon as the water puts the glass on the table which doesn't take too long

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/rEt_Q6yJ734?si=8d1ujoBYNvVTLr1f everyone's probably strong no'ed this already but wanted to revise this kill

[nimble saffron]

these are indeed better, but you didnt do the kill greatest of services doing the same roof lure in hacker as you did for drown

that drown video didnt cover like 80% of cases for getting drown ezra in a spin

[shell plank]

I prefer the upshot personally, feels more flexible

[late thicket]

what's upshawty?

[nimble saffron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oLfbMYQMclDxFrFR-1RRw2VT9R4zTlrbY7SB3W2bmWU/ use this homey

[gaunt monolith]

i wasn't trying to unban anything with those old videos, was just finding cool ways to deal with wank conditions then posting em

[nimble saffron]

yea yea i know, i caused a similar issue with my mendoza videos, just there to show of cool things you can do on the map rather than the simple best solution for said condition

[candid mist]

Thank you to all 39 of you who participated in the second biannual RR Condition Survey!
The results will be available in a moment. I appreciate all the votes and freeform comments, they'll all be evaluated with the Council to help kill conditions remain as fair as possible.

Results of the second biannual RR Condition Survey
(March 2025; videos available at: https://bit.ly/4hBQ8r3)

Breakdown of the results by map

Breakdown of the results by category

[honest basin]

impact hush having such a high approval rating is crazy to me

[nimble saffron]

i genuinely think people just click OK on any kill that is already legal

[honest basin]

and andrea 72%? really

[steel jungle]

is that not just a quick box under the stairs?

[honest basin]

12 people need to be banned

[nimble saffron]

i might be one of the 12 tbh, that kill isnt bad

[umbral birch]

25 do also

[nimble saffron]

cant remember which way i swayed though

[nimble saffron]

well its 3 bodies 1 box so no

[pliant birch]

I’m the only true impact hater on earth jfc

[nimble saffron]

maybe weapon report then quickly drag and box her and paula

[pliant birch]

I’m going to be looking at the rest of you different from now on

[candid mist]

initial thoughts

• due to vids being available (or just the community feeling more confident), each kill has gotten a lot more approval: kills in this poll achieved an average rating of 61.4% (up from 52.0% last year!)
• no unique kill has exceptional reception, but seven of them enjoy a (narrow or confident) majority
• i expected a lot more variance on Impact kills, even the "worst" kill of them all has 25 Allow vs 10 Banned, probably my biggest surprise
• Hokkaido's kills seem the most out of place with Fire, Cable Car, Sauna all worth their own discussion later on
• otherwise, fewer outliers than i expected

[pliant birch]

yeah this is insane

[candid mist]

Penelope Drowning has 21 Allow, 13 Ban votes

so strange to me

[nimble saffron]

yh that is an absolute nightmare kill to get in a spin

just looks simple when you see it done on its own

[pliant birch]

idk if some actually considered the context of some of these kills outside of the video showing how it’s done

[nimble saffron]

well that is hard to do

so mostly no

[candid mist]

its a difficult balance: looking at just kills makes you go Allow on everything; considering full spins (nightmare spins etc.) makes you go all conservative

[nimble saffron]

well colo is a different beast, cos its 4 targets. you have a big ripple effect when you have to do anything different

reza is the 2nd "worst" impact kill with 12 wanting a ban

but imo this video probably shows its potentially the easiest kill of them all

[uneven abyss]

I think you mean 24 people need to be banned

[pliant birch]

cable car yuki

[candid mist]

Cable Car im really torn on

its the nicest new kill on a good chunk of the disguises, and the biggest troll on the rest of them

[nimble saffron]

it would be an amazing kill, cos it will certainly set a new record, and then cause some awfully long matches

so chat can call the players bad for struggling with baseball cable car

cos suit cable car is rekky

[candid mist]

i feel like baseboi has to be a ban regardless

maybe the rest of the hospital disguises are fine

[uneven abyss]

I'm surprised vanya and dawood consumed are so high

[candid mist]

they're variants of mission stories, i dont think they're far fetched

[uneven abyss]

I'm surprised people wanna go away from immediate mael isos

But definitely the more nightmare spins are gonna be on vanya consumed when you have suit in the spin, but on mael or dawood

[nimble saffron]

thats just the case in general

but i do agree vanya and dawood consumed are hard to route

[untold hill]

impact reza is giga free people just don't play the map

[nimble saffron]

what and people spam sf?

[untold hill]

bro is reza zaydan on sf

cause that's the only fella I said

[nimble saffron]

my point is people dont really like or play sf either yet the impact vote is high

dawood impact only ever done successfully by obs after dragging him down the boathouse and into the basement is a more favourable kill

[untold hill]

I did this last night and I don't even remember what I voted for half of these

[uneven abyss]

Dawood impact is just bullet impact and blow him into the sea no?

[nimble saffron]

sure if you are able to launch him with the impact

which is fps based

and if you are on time for a bullet split

[uneven abyss]

yeah would better to have a strat that is guaranteed to work

[untold hill]

kinda depends on loadout restrictions, if you can bring blegg impact dawood is prolly easier than regular loud kills

[late thicket]

yall votes r bad. just take my votes and call it a day fellas 🤝

[candid mist]

but you didn't vote

not here at least, you voted in the rr16 survey

ok i figured it out i think, its not under your name but im pretty sure which one is yours

[nimble saffron]

lol

[late thicket]

put it in Anonymous

scared of scruffy coming after my hot takes

[candid mist]

dw your secrets are safe with me

[late thicket]

💋 i know

[uneven abyss]

it'd ok pigi I know you love marcus CP

[maiden aspen]

Dawood consumed routing doesnt seem super hard just skywalk chawls lead actor poison diguises brick

[uneven abyss]

I was thinking of painter poison which is around 5:55 done optimally

He drinks with a lead actor trigger?

[maiden aspen]

https://youtu.be/gmO2PIGrCYQ?si=g1hSpcjPBPEtE6hz

[nimble saffron]

id want to run many spins forcing that before id know if its easy or not

it seems easy

[uneven abyss]

yeah it seems easy I'd agree

a lot faster than painter most of the time I'd say

[nimble saffron]

i tried the painter version, apart from letting the painter fetch dawood and all that i couldnt get it to work (letting the painter do it takes forever)

[uneven abyss]

If you proxy the convo with the guard it takes really long

[nimble saffron]

oh

[uneven abyss]

if you can avoid it and get the paint in first cycle when he checks the box it's good for like 5:50

[nimble saffron]

mind making a video about it?

only if you think its good

[uneven abyss]

uhhhh lowkey I'm four hours away from home

[nimble saffron]

yh i dont mean now

just ever

[uneven abyss]

sure moodehh

I think its kinda poo cause after you do a bath vanya you can only get really close disguises in laundry

but I guess still viable

[gaunt monolith]

speaking of consumed kills, can someone send me a Sophia consumed spin with the rest of the conditions set to as difficult as possible? i have a strat for it and want to see how well it holds up

[uneven abyss]

I don't know anything about the kill but this might be hard

I honestly don't know with the Zoe disguise, maybe suit or Blake might be harder

[untold hill]

"worst" legal kill I would think of for Zoe at a glance would be Drowning/Burial Robes, for any other kill disguise is irrelevant cause Zoe can be approached almost whenever so just anything + starfish

[uneven abyss]

true

[untold hill]

so depends on sophia approach ig but like starfish/block, blake, or butler

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/y7se279DLco?si=43qTo3Q9YUexr0i- looks hideous on its own, determining where to place Zoe in the spin makes it a little cool

[untold hill]

yeah I mean unless someone finds a way to do the kill without having to join the vote I don't see it being unbanned

[safe kestrel]

How did prisoner claus get less votes than consumed for Steven? I'm so confused

Skydiving drown for marcus isn't that bad if you get him to the other side of the map

https://youtu.be/61Y5Y4X6eRo

And you can lure him up the stairs of course then sieker but that's a tad bit more loadout heavy if you're using a snail or phone or something

Prisoner kills are so easy and it'd diversify play since lockdown has been subsumed by sieker since the freelancer update

[shell plank]

proceeds to do prisoner with consulate emetic

[uneven abyss]

proceeds to do marcus consumed

[safe kestrel]

It'd be cool if carl consumed was back and if someone got a suit spin and did the dropdown trick

That'd make me happy

[uneven abyss]

ever is now moo https://youtu.be/1PdHuyCZVjA

[uneven abyss]

i also just looked at the sophia consumed, how are you ever getting knight's armor in time

[gaunt monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMeJb1QZrAQ recorded from the other day

[uneven abyss]

3:45 LMAO

[acoustic iron]

Was talking about this on my stream today (if you werent there its okay i already will never forgive you) and was thinking that on Hokkaido, explosive/explosion conditions should be allowed to repeat.

Currently Soders only has the “Explosion” kill, which can be either done with a propane or explosive device. So even if Yuki has “Explosion Accident” or “Explosive Weapon”, it is more than possible to kill Soders. And you arent even forced to use the propane, you can use more loadout slots and bring another explosive. Also on all other maps, “Explosion Accident” and “Explosive Weapon” can repeat, so its weird it doesnt on Hokkaido, given there are more options than other maps if two explosion kills happen.

[candid mist]

i feel like that would make sense to me

the current rule is a bit hard for me to follow

poison / poison is likely done with two different poisons (given rat poison can be used for Soders)

only one item needed for electro / electro (Soders is itemless)

shoot the heart / yuki shoot can potentially be done with the same firearm, but i guess it can be counted as a lucky break

and i agree that Soders: Pistol / Yuki: Pistol should not be allowed

but Soders: Explosive (can be done with explosive, breacher, golfball, propane/canister, even fire extinguisher) is such a varied condition, it'll never fully overlap with whatever Yuki Explosion we can get

i'd be in support of what Luke suggest, but to ask something more radical: shouldn't we break up Soders Explosion into the "regular" explosive kills?

• Explosion (Accident) with the FE, Propane or the Canister
• Explosive (Weapon) with the usual variants: Remote, Loud or Impact

i think it would mostly make sense for consistency: despite Soders being a special case, its Firearm kills are (iirc) generated the same way as regular targets
so it could be fine if we were to copy the existing Explosive logic as well

[odd summit]

I get what you are saying, but all Soders Explosive kills are Accidents, so that'd be pretty confusing imo

And unlike any other Explosive kill, he doesnt die from the Explosive directly (contrary to the Firearm kills)

[candid mist]

can you elaborate on this?

[odd summit]

Well normally you chuck an explosive at a target and they die because they get blown to bits, right? But Soders you can do it like 5 meters away, but he dies anyway, cause he doesnt actually get blown up, I assume he dies from the sound or whatever after a delay. In any case, unlike with other targets, using a Propane or C4 does not actually change anything with Soders.

In either case, I'd also be fine with Double Explosive kills, since they cant be reused for both kills, and Soders is quite varried as you said

[candid mist]

i think the consensus is that Soders has 1hp or something placeholder, that is why any explosive can kill him with generous range
havent heard the sound theory before

im not enthusiastic about great changes to Soders, but maybe one day we should look at it with fresh eyes, as the logic is unchanged from 2020 - maybe some other day
as he's a special target/objective, any solution is going to be an arbitrary one, so whatever results in the smallest confusion gets my vote (keep the current Firearm+Explosion+ 5 unique kills, versus turning Soders more in line with a "regular" target with "some unique kills")

[shell plank]

Soders doesn't have any HP whatsoever really (though he will be scripted to take more shots to the body than to the head), and no bullets or explosions affect "him" whatsoever via sound or any other means. He is simply a prop. Everything about his deaths is scripted. The explosions will just be checking for an explosion kill within a certain boundary. You cannot even kill him with the oil can's fire, even if you clip'd above him to do it.

All kills that impact his body and don't use a prompt (meaning firearms and explosions), are registered exactly the same by the game. They are all just registered as Body_Kill. No distinction between weapons at all. So yeah, most everything about specific weapons or explosions is basically arbitrary. To be honest I like it all just fine as it is - the lack of specificity on explosion allows for some unique freedoms.

Croupier doesn't even strictly validate Soders kills as there is 0 information to do so, and just passes for any firearm or explosion so long as you get a Body_Kill. It also affects disguises, since the game doesn't report what disguise the target was killed with (unlike every other target in the game). However, since each of his kills has a consistent amount of time before it actually "works" (body kills have 4s delay, electrocution has 8s delay, poison has 12s delay, robot arms has 13s delay), it just keeps track of the disguise changes and works backwards from the time soders died to figure out whether you triggered his death in the right one.

[shell plank]

Ah, here are all the Soders' kill types from the scripts. I've actually never seen Head_Shot_Kill, Surgeon_Kill or Surgery_Kill myself and am not sure if they are used. I assume at least the surgery ones could be, but since there is no such condition in roulette I've not gone to the effort of trying them, but I would like to confirm if Head_Shot_Kill is an actual thing...
(Yeah, no... even with a headshot the game only actually sends Body_Kill)

[nimble saffron]

n

[candid mist]

👀

[safe kestrel]

Is prisoner claus still banned? Wondering if I should submit my biannual complaint

[candid mist]

it is still banned, and this time it's not even being voted on due to how unpopular it was 6 months ago

[fair jolt]

The link for Consumed Rico is not working

[candid mist]

fixed, thank you!

[safe kestrel]

Well, it's probably never going to change then despite being a mission story and being not difficult and whatnot. People will vote against what they intuit as being difficult and won't try doing it until they're forced to, and will never be forced because it'll never become a condition because they're always vote against it. (this doesn't apply to roulette pros). I'm sure there are some roulette pros voting against it for "forcing a strategy" but it's funny to me that claus FO is more popular despite being more restrictive and always more boring.

[candid mist]

its just subjective anyway

dont think there's anything new to this years-long discussion about it (Prisoner specifically)

People will vote against what they intuit as being difficult and won't try doing it until they're forced to, and will never be forced because it'll never become a condition because they're always vote against it
conditions are gradually being added more quickly than being removed, so i'm not sure i agree with this in a general sense. it just happens to be other conditions than Prisoner, but its fine, not one condition is important enough to fight about it IMO, thats why we're voting on 60-70 at a time

[turbid grail]

sorry to totally barge in without reading up but what is confrontation for jordan

[candid mist]

from the video examples sheet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrfotUxrGgk

[turbid grail]

oh oops shoulda just looked at that

ty for humouring me

[candid mist]

no worries ^^

i never knew this kill can be done in other disguises, not just suit

[turbid grail]

also for cake my only worry is that sometimes i’ve had situations where jordan just doesn’t go down to the cake

and i’ve seen it happen to some people in matches as well

which would be pretty annoying obviously

[candid mist]

Never ever? Or just later than usual

[nimble saffron]

can be never ever

cake do not be consistent

[candid mist]

[pure cove]

The confrontation kill also glitches out, sometimes Jordan just immediately walks off right after going for the recording and that's it. Idk, maybe this happens only under some circumstances and can be avoided somehow, or it has been fixed since, but can't be sure for sure.

[candid mist]

Will definitely look into them, but any videos (old or recent) would help us a long way in figuring these out

I guess currently i have more hope for Confrontation still working if Cake failed in a match

[pliant birch]

I didn’t know this but if this is the case, absolutely change my vote to strongly ban

if that’s possible

If it wasn’t already, genuinely can’t even remember my short term memory is cooked

[candid mist]

Haha

Think you can edit if you go back to the url

But no matter how many people say Strongly Allow, if the kill is bugged, we won't introduce it

[nimble saffron]

its consistent enough, it was the meta iso for some people for quite a while, if you nitpick at everything then you can say everything is bugged to some degree

[odd summit]

Yeah I would like to see evidence first tbh before shutting it down, vote as you would if it worked, we can still investigate the bug-iness of it afterwards

[gaunt monolith]

better representative for ezra electro on the resource sheet: #1282077327525675179 message

[candid mist]

thank you, added

[frosty locust]

#roulette message

and this #roulette message

[turbid grail]

i think the hammer and sickle statue video just links to the beak staff video atm

nvm just bugged on my end restarted google and it’s fine

[candid mist]

PHEW

[untold hill]

I would def be interested if you have a video, it might be the kill in the whole game that I tested the most thoroughly and never had any issues with it. but it's kinda impossible to know in this game without having like 10 different pcs

like car bomb for sierra i never would've known was broken for example

[odd summit]

Hmm, interesting. Do you have more info on when this happened to you?
My hope would be that it's been quite a while since this happened and I never heard of this issue before, but if it's still in the game that sucks.

[turbid grail]

happened to me about a month ago i believe, no video but i complain about it in roulette chat somewhere lol

[untold hill]

I mean I agree with you - I think it would create more Marra spins that are actually fun on average - and I also think a lot of people don't even understand that Prisoner isn't trespassing once it leaves the school
but like, I don't think the purpose of this whole council system is to overturn kills that are overwhelmingly negative unless the whole community just starts trolling
like it had the same approval rate as Marcus/Consumed, a kill that imo is completely garbage

[safe kestrel]

I'd just say try it for one rr and if people really hate it, then it can go back to being banned

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/jQa6O7yZFxg

[uneven abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541

what if they werent trolling and just liked a cool kill chris 😭

[untold hill]

im sorry apricope i don't hate you your kill just sucks

also by trolling I mean if like everyone just decided they should vote to make silvio fire legal cause they think it's funny or smth

[untold hill]

im just imagining someone booting their ps4 before a marra spin in case they have to hotswap

[gaunt monolith]

https://youtu.be/XsSWKeDDaZc

[uneven abyss]

what makes it booty

[steel jungle]

I'd be a bit concerned about golfing accident specifically shooting the invisible ball as Roberto's position is FPS dependent. Makes the kill more complex for high fps users as they have to move him out of the way first

[acoustic iron]

would alt entering be allowed?

[steel jungle]

Thats for lower fps when loading in right?

IDK I just feel like starting to add kills where FPS manipulation is an advantage would be a bad precedent

[untold hill]

the fact that it's on the survey doesn't mean we think it's great or that it's going to be added
it's to gauge opinion

[steel jungle]

i'm aware

[untold hill]

it's not a precedent if it doesn't get added :(

[candid mist]

thank you, added

[candid mist]

we don't consider Carl Consumed for the bugs about the plate
but what if everyone only spams the glass and we forget about the slow plate 🤔 then its just a regular kill

[frosty locust]

it only depends on how early you trigger him to get there

noel crest consumed type beat by spawning penthouse

i thought the bug was with the glass

[late thicket]

Im getting depressed by all these changes. I love roulette. Never did could I have imagined coming back to roulette, and this is the state of the competition. I really dislike these changes.

This is to far for me. This message is about complaining about the current state of competitive roulette. I personally think these changes are contributing to killing the competitiveness.

This is a genuin attempt to protest these changes in order to maintain the gameplay that I loved so much. I really wanna play, that is what makes me depressed. But something has to get done before you let it go to far. I can't allow myself to participate in this bullshit. Sorry about my language, but I'm just so sad and frustrated right now.

I don't know how alone I am i these feelings, but I don't care. I hate what roulette is turning into.

Good luck to all you who are gonna compete during the upcoming RR tournament.

Please restore roulette to how it was in 2023 and 2024.

[untold hill]

Pigi has refused and failed to coordinate a match time with me. I have tried but am being actively ignored. I am left with few options and I now wanted to here what you guys have to say. This match may need to be waived and automatically forfeited by him

[candid mist]

Aight I've seen enough. Bottom line is, if you don't have a red name, you don't get to decide or tell us what to do about moderation topics. We are always open to feedback for things involving the server, but this has basically been everyone feeling as though they have the authority to make a decision on someone else's behalf, and its getting old reading it over and over. I posted the announcement for the atrioc comp with the approval of the admins that were available at the time. Maybe it would have been better off in community events, however no one would care if nothing went wrong in the first place. You've all been asked to stop talking about this topic and yet here we are, still talking about it. No more making fun of redfox for begging for mutes, because these last 200 messages are begging for mutes my dudes.