#no more recolors and lazy spell card animations

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viscid schooner
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This has been a problem with some characters like Bluemu and Koakuma E1
The main problem is that they have lazy spell card animations
Bluemu is a recolor and has a lazy last word animation which the community actively hates
Koakuma “Twin Paradox” is just the two shots for the normal Koakuma
Also for recolors is another problem
White koishi has cool last word animation BUT the sprite itself is a literal recolor of the normal koishi
Classic fes units like reisen and aya have custom sprites AND not lazy animations so please make Efes, Rfes, and Ufes like that

edgy spoke
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Relic remi feels lazy cause l1 remi looks pretier

dusty raft
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This. B5 Reisen's last word feels so lazy and underwhelming and, at least to me, makes the unit uninteresting or not appealing enough to pull

patent nimbus
visual quiver
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Relic character designs suck

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(was waiting for slow mode to finish) relic characters are just the normal characters with different illustrations and spell cards its pretty lazy tbh, the only thing they have of interest is their story

unique meteor
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This.
I'm just waiting for whatever PC-98 character comes with the next relic only for other people to the leak for shits and giggles.

flint nexus
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Imho I don’t believe Relic Characters are lazy, since they ARE based off of the same universe series as L1 (think like how the A Universe units work), but Epic Units seem to suffer from this more if they’re not drastically different. Not only does IaMP Reimu reuse Suika’s last word and Fantasy Seal (and barely references ‘God Summoning’ outside of her skills) but apparently the Japanese Exclusive ||Koishi Alt reuses a bunch of animations for some reason, so I’ve heard, so chances are it might be BS.||

I need to keep it clear that I understand development work is hard, so I do understand basic assetflipping like giving some units bullets from others to keep a timely release, but it seems like the worst is the epic units, because sometimes they just straight up copy/paste things from other units.

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I at least hope that if this suggestion does get to the office that they work on a few of the animations. Some are kind of janky, like Byakuren’s, and of course there’s what this thread was made about.

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Just saying, Relic Characters may have similar design to their original counterparts, but they’re not as bad as other units (or even costumes). It’s kind of ‘as to be expected’ since
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You could make the same case for some of the A-Series Units. (In fact, I’m pretty sure the giant spear and the dolls are perfect examples of why they’re not comparable to something like Seven Colored Puppet Master)

edgy spoke
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Summer units are really lazy as well, none of them are wearing a visible swimsuit

viscid schooner
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The fact these are rarer than a normal fes

flint nexus
# edgy spoke Summer units are really lazy as well, none of them are wearing a visible swimsui...

wouldn’t that make the summer units a good thing though? Wouldn’t it mean they have more diversity than, let’s say, most summer units in other gacha games FlanWhy

Like I hate to full counter a point but

The designs are (unfortunately) not only some of the more original in the game
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But also you’re completely wrong. The design’s main portion is the swimsuit. It’s depicted in Resort Stars as such, at least.

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Admittedly I hate to be “that guy” but the Summer Alts were a step in the right direction, just in general for Alts. Not only are the designs and animations mostly original, but there was also more effort to diversify them from their original counterparts in design.

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Same thing for the B3 Alts and such. While I hate summer alts, unfortunately they’re some of the better planned ones. It’d be awesome if the new alts weren’t all epic festival units, of course, but admittedly, if I get an alt, I just want it to be good.

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Admittedly, the baseline for alts should be stuff like B, C, and E units.

Like I get this discussion is about ‘bad alts,’ but these three verses have some of the higher quality alts so I’ve seen.

edgy spoke
# flint nexus wouldn’t that make the summer units a good thing though? Wouldn’t it mean they h...

You seem like one of those lewd haters so im probably wasting my time here but everyone is entitled to their own oppinion so let me expand on that.
I think the summer designs are lazy cause that doesnt look like a swimsuit to me because it covers way 2 much skin and its literraly a top and a skirt, thats just Marisa. Yukari is wearing a bikini thats almost completely covered by her pareo and other stuff she has on top of it, it could be a bra and there would be no diference. Hecatia has a dress, reimu is lit wearing a shorter shrine maiden outfit.
Its original? Lol like 95% of this games costumes and character designs revolve arround covering the highest amount of skin posible so it was expected they were gonna go this route with summer units (I wasnt even surprised, lit rolled for both cause its still less skin covered than 90% of units so it was still technically a improvement). It served as confirmation that the people in charge cant even tolarate 1 normal bikini.
For me this level of skin coverage is just borderline censorship at this point, its ridiculous there are more H doujins from touhou than from any other franchise in the planet, there is so much H of touhou thats lit how I first encountered this franchise and we cant have a summer unit wearing a lewd swimsuit?
A step on the right direction? Yeah 2 epic friends in a row what a great direction we headen....
Loved that "I hate to full counter a point" bit you said tho hahaha I got a good laugh out of it. Talking as if your take wasnt just a personal opinion just like mine XP

flint nexus
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Okay, I’ll be as polite as possible when saying this: No, I only brought it up because you were straight up wrong in the regard that “none of them were wearing a visible swimsuit”. I was really only using my counterpoint to talk about the units that had been handled well. I didn’t say you couldn’t call them lazy, though it may have looked as such, so I apologize. Though admittedly, the counter point was to the “they’re not wearing visible swimsuits” comment. Also, as another note, “swimsuit” refers to an outfit used for swimming. “It’s lazy because it doesn’t look like a swimsuit” just seems… mildly tonedeaf? Like, hate to break it to ya, people don’t usually come to the beach in identical swimsuits, and usually, they come with extra stuff so they’re not constantly walking around in their swimsuits- in fact, some people don’t even go swimming- which is pretty obviously depicted with Yukari. Like, what would you suggest? After all, the game is directed to, at youngest, 4 year olds, according to the several stores these are advertised on (though on the Playstore, it’s rated T due to the inclusion of some of the Last Words involving blood.) The implication that swimsuits = lewd are hilarious though, good one.

I personally dislike the overuse of swimsuits in seasonal alts, sense that’s basically the Halloween equivalent of everyone wearing a witch outfit or something, hate to break it to ya. There’s more than just Swimsuits- hell, Rinnosuke pretty clearly depicts that with his Hawaiian shirt. Like, why do you care about there being not enough shown skin? Like, nothing IN Touhou is explicitly lewd. Fanworks don't dictate this, especially since ZUN licensed this game.

Also, a step in the right direction, as in they are better in a design sense for alts. You know, because they have original art and animations? Which is what the thread was discussing? This discussion isn’t dedicated to the unit rarity.

edgy spoke
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As expected waste of my time

flint nexus
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Like, chat, is it horny to put on a swimsuit? Is it horny to not want your actual clothes to get wet when you go swimming? Should I just jump into the ocean in my hoodie, shorts and sneakers so I don't offend anyone?

edgy spoke
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I inderstand you hate lewdness but most of the game is supper wholesome, why cant we have a little lewd for those of us who like it?

flint nexus
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I dunno, considering some of the playerbase is children

pretty sure the answer is a blunt no chief MokouDone

edgy spoke
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Really the children argument? Not gonna waste more of my time

flint nexus
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Wh- Argument???

It's a literal fact?
The game is directed toward people of all ages?????

Like I get the games generally reference Alcohol, and at worst, two characters having a liking for each other... but mind you, Touhou is owned by the same guy who explicitly apologized for making a character have boobs once

Good lord, you keep saying it's not even worth your time but I need to consider that this entire argument feels more like a joke. I should avoid arguments like this because, as I've been trying to say, there's ALWAYS a time and place for everything, and Touhou Lost Word really doesn't seem like the place to make a decision like that, though who am I to judge, they made the beach alts in the first place. YukariSigh

fleet compass
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Bro this discussion is so sad
Please understand the summer alts are good in this context as we are dicussing DESIGN. Design wise these are leagues better than every other gacha out there because they aren't just it's yukari but parasol and bikini. Which is the main point. I really hate it when people go you disagree must be anti lewdness since I'd be for beach ults but that's because they look good from a fan standpoint not from design standpoint. Design wise a normal bikini is just sleep emojis vs what we got which is a great compramise to this game being so family friendly. Which we should all agree on.
Also the game has been getting lazier as of late but that's more of them hitting it out of the park originally and not having any other room besides going even further. What's worse is how good the portrait art has been recently and then you look at the chibi and it's like damn thats a let down why isn't it very unique like the portait?

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I'd like it if the newer variants had more of a focus on showing us less of " theyre just stronger than the old/the last word makes no sense" and instead take this design structure
Start with something famous that the unit has done/a famous spell they use in game, show dramatic differences between the l1 and new variant to serve Plot Purpose example: have bluemu use fantasy seal blink and concentrate at the same time moving around at light speed while filling the screen with ofuda then as it's full have her summon gensokyos strongest god who is the lightning dragon in a dramatic close up like with otohimes last word or mv remilias and have the dragon smash down with lightning setting the ofuda off having them explode. Normal reimu has even thought of combining fantasy seal concentrate and fantasy seal blink yet because she hasn't trained enough to use both at once AND bluemu still has her own original part to the last word. This is why c3 yukaris last word is rather good all things considered because it follows thos structure. Start with something they do show clear reasoning why it's changed in such a way and then have time for that variant to be completely original. Winking and being cheeky is something yukari is known for as well as the spell being something yukari is known for then the attack itself is different from normal yukari.

flint nexus
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Admittedly, I wanted to add something to the topic, but it was basically derailed before I could find it. I actually had an idea for making Bluemu more in-line with her 'god summoning' bit, and while admittedly it kinda doesn't work in-lore because only Suika got folded during 'the incident,' what I wrote originally still kind of stands for... well, kind of how I came to the conclusion. Also, as I'll state later, it kind of doesn't work for other reasons. Mind you, I did this at around midnight a few months ago.

To summarize it (or make it longer since I could fit the original idea on a flashcard), I think the last word would've made more sense if Suika was being used as a 'host' for another god, considering Reimu preforms a Kagura for her to show up, and also mentioned throwing Ran (considering Yukari is represented by the baby variant) and Aya into the mix to round out the Subterranean Animism reference.

This idea had vast spellcard changes, but basically, rather than just using normal Reimu spells, Reimu would summon gods in her spells outright using the bodies of the 'fallen'. Inari would be represented as Ran, Takeminakata as Aya and Susanoo as Suika, though it'd make her spells Primarily Sun, Primarily Wood, and Sun-Wood Mixed respectively. Though I made this really late one night, and Takeminakata falls under Sanae's shrine, I believe. Regardless, I feel I should bring this up, as I feel Bluemu kind of was a hit and a miss when it came to "God Summoning," which was really only in her Skills.

flint nexus
# fleet compass I'd like it if the newer variants had more of a focus on showing us less of " th...

Generally when I think of alts I compare them to how Puyo Puyo Quest handles them. They don't have as much in their sense of animation, considering they use flat sprites and voices in the game, but they follow this method, in a way. When it comes to the main protagonist, she kind of has the same issue Lost Word did, except with the added fact that the main version of her outbuffed some versions of her that were previously included up to 9 years ago. The ones that were dropped are similar to the alts that were "just stronger than the old ones," but when newer alts were made for the characters, they made some stuff that fit them and gave them new spells and buffs that made sense for them.

Generally, when a Puyo Puyo Quest alt is 'good,' they have a good design, and, when applicable, are written to either fit the character or make the character work in an unexpected way that's still fun or makes sense. And, if you're in the meta, of course, good skills- a lot of which work because they can be improved.

That's kind of the same for Touhou Lost Word, though they have entirely different mechanics, especially with the fact that ANY CHARACTER can be put in ANY SCENARIO now. It's a bit more debatable when a new character comes out, but some good examples of what I think are good characters would be the E1 universe.

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Though, of course, I wouldn’t complain about a ‘recolor’ if they had cool and diverse skills.

flint nexus
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Admittedly this could be beneficial to the discussion as TECHNICALLY these can be classified as alts. They still look fitting.

flint nexus
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...Hm, that argument's looking really funny rn HaroldUnzan

small plover
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Or like this (who tf approved this???)

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There's your lewd. Honestly, I can only thank the devs for making the beach units decent, because, you know, not everyone needs to have gigantic breasts or a half naked body to be attractive.

small plover
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(And yes, big breasts still count as lewd even if they're fully covered)

vocal lava
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a little boob is fine i think but some recent original unit spellcard animations are indeed rather uncreative

flint nexus
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Goated for the response yeah the artists probably make a specific type of art, considering obvs the devs are going to try to include as many people as possible in the art aspect, though I can see what you're sayin'.

But yeah in discussion with new alts, I see what you mean, definitely. The new alts in the JP Version aren't bad ||(because I'm a sucker for alts that use the original's spells) so really I'm not complaining even if Mokou's choices could've been better||

flint nexus
# small plover Or like this (*who tf approved this???*)

this one especially because when I looked up the artist's name with 'pixiv' attached, the first thing I saw was some of their risqué works. Couldn't find the source art for Patron Saint but the style was certainly identical or at least similar.

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The excuse was "erm fanworks are suggestive all the time therefore-" the suggestive fanwork is right there man, you can look up half the artist's names via google and you'll get the rest of their art

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verbal schooner
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Why would people want lewd stuff in a game where everyone battles with their favourite touhou characters..?

edgy spoke
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Degeneracy sells... unfortunately

flint nexus
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That’s what I’m saying. It wouldn’t be very professional to take a full 90° turn into hell just because “AAAAAAAAAAA BOOOOBS” on a game that’s rated for kids (at least on the app store)

Along with the fact ZUN seems to dislike that kind of thing.

………..along with the fact I’m trying to bug someone who isn’t even paying attention anymore.

edgy spoke
vocal lava
patent nimbus
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Uh.... yikes LOL

lusty dagger
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So the stereotype was true.

flint nexus
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I was not going to reply but oh dear

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edgy spoke
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Got my satori ❤️ god bless the summer komeiji sisters I didnt have to whale but im gonna spend some money cause they deserve it

bold topaz
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oh boy, this turned into an argument, i'm out of here SanaeAltSad

flint nexus