Gaping Totem Shouldn’t be Shared

[steep cape]

When gaping totem is applied to a team of 4 players, the benefit is very short-lived, and then your team is broke for the rest of the run.

[tall scroll]

Ok but

Coins are shared

[mossy kettle]

Yeah as Fart said, this would need to be shared otherwise the relic would be really bad (only you get stat up but everyone else's coins decrease)

[steep cape]

But it’s not sustainable when the whole team has it. Coins run out almost immediately, and then nobody gets the stat up.

[tall scroll]

Then what are you supposed to do about it 😭
You can’t “balance” it in mp without changing how the relic fundamentally works

Also, if youre gonna bring this up, might as well bring up Vial of Blue Blood, as its even more devastating in mp

[tired hare]

At most it could maybe be balanced a little by making a successful coin strike only have a chance to remove a coin based on how many players are in the room, so in a 4-player lobby the powered-up strike would only take away a coin ¼ of the time

Otherwise that's about it yeah, it uses something shared, the main options are either just 1 person gets to waste the party's money whether they want to or not, or everyone can waste the party's money on it

[steep cape]

1 person wasting the party’s money sucks, but the party could still have money. All 4 members of the party wasting the party’s money means the party has no money. One sucks, the other mega sucks.

[tired hare]

The 1 person would almost certainly be hated on for it, but if everyone does it it's everyone's fault so nobody has much of a reason to get upset at anyone specific for it

[steep cape]

Make it not shared, or remove it from multiplayer. One person draining the team’s money sucks, but it’s more sustainable than the whole team draining the money. As for vial of blue blood, I would honestly just remove it from multiplayer.

[tired hare]

That's why i think the only alright way it could be improved is if everyone had it, but a coin strike only had a 1/[number of players] chance of actually consuming a coin, then it would still drain at the same rate regardless of number of players, and everyone gets to use it.

[steep cape]

I see your point, but they’ll still get upset at the person who picked it up. I watched a kid get bullied until he left.

[steep cape]

Oh yeah, this could also work. It would be a bit strange, but it’s either this, my solution, or remove it from multiplayer altogether.

[verbal fern]

That (the bullying) is a player-problem, not a relic problem imo. There will always be relics someone doesn't like, and removing those relics isn't really a solution since not everyone dislikes them. Tweaks like a chance as Jeb suggested would be fine, but players get bullied for taking foam bat

[steep cape]

Yeah, that’s the point I was trying to make when Jeb said that the person taking gaping totem would get hate (if it wasn’t shared). I’d rather not see relics removed if it can be helped.

[steep cape]

Follow-up question: I’ve only experienced vial of blue blood in multiplayer once, but we took it late and immediately won and didn’t enter ng+. Does the whole team immediately die at 0 coins?

[exotic sphinx]

yea

[tired hare]

I will say though, Magpie Wing? Causes a conflict almost anytime its taken 😆