#Crossbow - An unfun weapon, overshadowed by it's peers

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lone mango
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These starting lines are me just yapping about crossbow, scroll down to see the balance changes

I've been using the crossbow for the past few days, just to get used to it - and so I can actually write about it!

So... what do I think about it?

I think Crossbow is the worst weapon in the game.
It has the lowest base dps out of all the weapons - as well as being quite punishing if you miss from afar.
The dagger is just a worse sword, that's all there is to say about it.
I'm sure many of you agree with this, and I'm sure many disagree.

But that's not what I care about.
I care about a FUN weapon, not one that "Hahaha explode".

The main strategy I see people use is

  • Run up to enemy, within melee distance
  • Shoot the ground
  • Wait for arrow recall
  • Repeat
    I'm sure there's a few of you who enjoy this playstyle - and that's ok.
    But why not just use sword in that case??

Anyway, enough ranting, here's what I'd do to make crossbow more fun!

The ONLY thing that holds crossbow from being an abysmal piece of dogshit is the fact it has AMAZING AoE.
But because of that, nobody actually hits enemies directly 50% of the time.
So here's what I'd do.

  • Decrease AoE damage to 4 basekit - or, just a 0.6x multiplier haha
  • Make direct enemy hits have higher crit chance - say 25, or 30%
  • Direct enemy hits stack with explosion damage, meaning the explosion and direct hit can damage an enemy at the same time
  • Direct enemy hits decrease the arrow recall time - maybe 0.75s?
  • Headshotting enemies should do way more damage, around 1.50x
  • Wiggling the Crossbow slowly pulls the arrow back towards you
    • I do this all the time for NO reason haha, I wish it'd do something cool
  • Show the location of the arrow through walls/fog when it's not attached to the crossbow

Is this perfect?
No. Absolutely not. I'm not a professional game developer, but all I want is a fun weapon to use.

Thanks for listening to my rant haha, please feel free to shit on me in the stuff below haha

simple basin
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I like all of these ideas

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Could also make the base speed faster or have a BB upgrade for it

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Cause the shot speed isn't that fast really

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Not for a sniper type ranged like this would end up being

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Could also lower the AoE radius too

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Up speed, lower AoE radius

limpid sparrow
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I agree with a lot of these points. The cbow is not a horrible weapon tbh, but it is very unfun to use. It actually punishes the player for playing a ranged play-style(via long ass cooldown even with BB upgrades) and doesn’t offer any benefit to actually HITTING enemies. This is Early Access, so hopefully we’ll see changes similar to the ones seen in this suggestion in the future.

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The AoE is nice, but I feel like it could be reserved for a different combo

lone mango
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i agree - it's not BAD, it's just the WORST compared to the other 2 weapons

simple basin
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Cbow is too relic dependant and can't be "skilled" into being OP

kind tendon
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I have an idea how about instead of having a sword you have a spiked shield that knock backs enemies.

And remove BB upgrade where killing an enemy calls back your arrow.

Instead it should be if you knock back an enemy with your shield you get your arrow back.
I feel like this would make the Crossbow more engaging instead of waiting till ur arrow comes back

lone mango
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confirmed by the devs

kind tendon
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Why

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Oh

lone mango
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i'm not a dev

kind tendon
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Well theu got to do something abt the dagger cuz it actually just hurts you

simple basin
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I would love the dagger to have some form of gimmick

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Or just be replaced

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Some melee gimmick thats too unique to do as a relic

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Maybe allow you to buff the knockback temporarily in some way

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Since thats the point of the dagger

kind tendon
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It should just do anything, call it skill issue but when you try at hit anything faster than a bat you just get hit, and your going to be focused on relics that benefit ranged weapons which further make make dagger more irrelevant

zinc light
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just make it have multishot 1

lone mango
swift birch
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there should be a relic that adds multi shot tho

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but decreases weapon damage

upbeat quartz
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I feel like the main detractors of the crossbow are punishing you for using it as a ranged weapon and that stupid dagger I hate

zinc light
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Give it piercing IV or smth

kind tendon
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Multishot would be tuff

scarlet mirage
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I feel half of these changes should be augmentations

kind tendon
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Facts cuz almost all arguments for Crossbow are useless

restive sedge
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Chat the Crossbow is the best weapon and I ain't gon back down on dat

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The Tome is kinda boring and used to just spam

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The sword is kinda fun but gets old quickly I find myself using the knife more than the sword part

lone mango
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Sword and Knife, while having less damage basekit, can use their knife far away with little to no downside other than half a second of recall

restive sedge
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The dagger works just as well as the sword

lone mango
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Tome -while having a longer recharge- has decent ranged capabilities, with the only drawback bungalow it's limited range

restive sedge
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The Tome should have a longer recharge

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It recharges instantly and makes the fact that it recharges at all pointless

lone mango
restive sedge
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But they don't?

lone mango
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But they do?

restive sedge
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In what way?

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The Tome kinda sucks on damage and only good to spam and it's extremely boring to use

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The sword is weird because most the time you'll be ranged anyway so why pretend to be a swordsman

lone mango
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-# this is on the assumption the weapon is BASEKIT, meaning max auguments, no relic
Sword has better DPS than the dagger, and the Knife isn't punished for being used far away, as the recall is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Crossbow's.
While Crossbow's AoE is better, the Sword outputs the damage faster than the Crossbow, unless you have around 10+ enemies following you.

Tome has the AoE of CBow, even though the damage is lower, it still shreds groups of enemies with it's Lightning and Gas spells
You could make the argument that it has worse single target DPS than the Crossbow, but the Fireball spell somewhat removes that argument, as it does 14 damage ( which is 2 CROSSBOW BOLTS ) along with 10 damage of DoT

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And before you say "Ooh this is just uninformed Sword main NONSENSE" I've been using Crossbow in all by runs the past few weeks to try and get used to it

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Again, the Crossbow has its upsides, such as its snowball potential lategame, and it's amazing crowd control when gathering up enemies, but that's where the positives end

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Its not a bad weapon, just as the title says, it's overshadowed by its peers.

restive sedge
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But than I realized I was wrong

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I was never a tome defender tho

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That thing always sucked

lone mango
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It's the highest skill combo IMO, as 99% of people I've seen go from Crossbow to Sword have had their ass handed to them haha

restive sedge
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I sometimes turn my weapons off and jus start beating the mobs with actual beets

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I wanna class that is no weapon fr

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Maybe you can grab the ground and throw it for the ranged part of the class

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I would main that class everyday

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I think the Crossbow is fun. It has drawbacks but it is a crossbow after all 👁️👁️

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Cuz like.... Because like you gotta drawback the crossbow 👁️👁️

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Are you still here or am I alone?

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🥀🥀🥀

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Anywho I should probably make a suggestion for that unarmed class fr

zinc light
zinc light
lone mango
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Bump

lone mango
azure smelt
azure smelt
honest carbon
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cool

olive ivy
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Does direct hit still does not have increased crit chance?
Matters because Magnetic Coupler is a thing now, with the benefit be instant retrieval. Then it gets overshadowed by Boomerang Arrow in that regard (which encourages hitting the floor).

random plaza
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Like way before

olive ivy
lone mango
olive ivy
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omw

simple basin
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Augments basically fixed most of the issues I have with cbow

lone mango
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Same here

simple basin
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And we can mod augments to make it even better too

simple basin
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Although every weapon is really good tbh atp

lone mango
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But the fact you need augments to make it good feels iffy
Maybe if Coupler was how the cbow worked basekit, just weaker?

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And then pressurised capsule would give it the explosion

simple basin
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I think itd make sense kinda, but no bolt retrieval is weird