Don't remove anything from brawl

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Everyone but me is complaining that baseball pitchers are negatively affecting the brawl gamemode. They see the point of the gamemode as pure pvp without the aid of any cpu opponent. I see the point of brawl in fine depo as a chance to use all the items F.I.N.E. sells. I've been on the losing end before, 5 pitchers placed by the enemy team holding down the whole store. I simply learned to shield the baseballs, and get behind the furthest one, breaking them all from behind. We either need a new gamemode or a brawl map not relating to fine depo, giving us a lore reason why we wouldn't be supplied with pitchers

Just yanking pitchers out of fine depo will negatively affect my experience, as I won't get a chance to fight against them outside destruction

And I feel that fine depo should offer everything fine sells

[carmine loom]

I think the mode is good in and of itself, I think you should just add more, give other possibilities

[runic arrow]

I agree on a slight reduction in amount of pitchers, but i agree on not removing anything else, it's a casual fun mode

We're a goofy game, we're gonna have goofy shit in it

[wild oracle]

automated turrets that shoot you in a tdm gamemode is very goofy and fun

[rugged badge]

Team fortress 2 engineer sentry

Pvz engineer turret

Point is there's lots of pvp games with cpu sentries placed by players

[grim parcel]

he is a very controversial character in that gaem for that every reason

[grim parcel]

that is located near the teleporter, not where ever you want

unless you're talking about bfn, which is a problem in that game

[wild oracle]

pvz engineer turret and pea gatling are widely considered in that community extremely unbalanced and need reworks

[rugged badge]

Goofy games are gonna have Goofy 💩

[grim parcel]

if a dying player base sounds goofy to you, then sure bro

[wild oracle]

goofy games that make bad choices are gonna die

[rugged badge]

Tf2 is still going stronger than ever, and there's still people playing bfn on every platform

[grim parcel]

its not stronger than ever

[stark gulch]

100 people a day in BFN

[grim parcel]

and its only somewhat popular becasue of the ip itself

[wild oracle]

they are both abandonded games what???

[grim parcel]

its like call of duty. modern cod is considered to be terrible by most, but still obtains players because its too big to fail. neighbors is no call of duty

[wild oracle]

tf2 is huge but the community took it over after the devs just abandonded it and left it to rot

[rugged badge]

Okay, bfn has 100 players rn on steam... not on all platforms. Tf2 is still being updated with new content and bugfixes to several year old bugs

[grim parcel]

this point still stands

and even then, the balance of all gw games are considered to be terrible

they are littered with meta

and are jam packed with toxic players

the entire mp experience in that game aged so poorly

and as for tf2

its all made by the community

not valve

[rugged badge]

Why does that matter

[grim parcel]

because these changes being made in neighbors are up to the devs

not me

or you

[grim parcel]

also, how is this not important to you?

[rugged badge]

We can't make changes to tf2 either just cuz we want to. There's a selected group of people who are basically the new devs who decide what gets pushed out

[grim parcel]

its a pretty big problem

[rugged badge]

Every pvp game is gonna have toxic people

[grim parcel]

nobody argued that

[grim parcel]

yes, but not to that game's extent. its riddled with closet cheaters, harrasment, pedophiles, so on and so forth

[rugged badge]

That's almost every pvp game man

[grim parcel]

no?

hell no

[wild oracle]

the point is these game devs dont listen to there community and decide they know better which 90% of the time kills the game in under a year.

[grim parcel]

what are you talking about

this is exactly what happened to bfn

[rugged badge]

Roblox, apex legends, counter strike, overwatch, marvel rivals

[wild oracle]

which i mean we're already on the first nail in the coffin with the resource rework.

[rugged badge]

All have these undesirable characters

[wild oracle]

the bugs piling up will probably be the next. just tried to play today and had 4 matches just not work and force me to alt f4

[grim parcel]

they are very mainstream, so they are bound to attract things like that. even then, they aren't known for that. it may happen, but thats not what it's recognized for. cod is primarily recognized for rage baiting and cheating, not pedophilia. even then, this doesnt benefit your case anyways, because cod is a game i used in my example earlier

so you're just proving my point by bringing it up

[rugged badge]

Lmao you

[grim parcel]

oh sorry

u didn t mention cod

mb

i miss read counter strike

[rugged badge]

All g

[grim parcel]

those game's suffer from the similar problems

although, i cant speak for cs and apex

idr play those games

same with marvel

well

[rugged badge]

Agreed the problems worse in tf2 because the players have the tools to exploit things like the decal tool letting you put any image on a weapon, and the fact there's 24 players in one unrestricted chat box

[grim parcel]

that just leaves roblox, but roblox isn't really comparable to neighbors

so id ont see why bring it up

it might be relavent to that specific case i was making, but you can't really tie it back to neighbors

[rugged badge]

Just that the undesirable people play these pvp games

[grim parcel]

but then again, that just goes back to the point made earlier. the reason why this happens is becasue valve doesnt do shi about the game anymore

which doesnt spell out "happy ending" for the community if you ask me

like, sure, its nice that community content gets put in

but i still wish the heavy update happened

people still wish that game didnt force random crits

and the jungle inferno update was known to be a bad update for balancing

[wild oracle]

theres a lot about tf2's core that they dislike and is solved on custom servers

[grim parcel]

i think it was called that at least

maybe im wrong

[grim parcel]

especialy when playing comp

characters like sniper and engi are banned in comp because of how intrusive they are to the game's core

not saying that engi is a bad character

[wild oracle]

yup, jungle inferno killed off weapons that were slightly op. made pyros hitbox completely distorted and somehow more braindead.

[grim parcel]

i think he has a place, but i think he could have also been designed better

[rugged badge]

How about we get a sapper for the pitcher

Anyone can use it

[grim parcel]

i would like that

mj should have it

[wild oracle]

yeah that would be nice as a store item

[grim parcel]

id say give it to mj

[rugged badge]

Alr! Brainstorm a ripoff sapper

[grim parcel]

she kind of needs to be more than what she is atm

[wild oracle]

just a one time use sapper that stuns the turret for a duration

[rugged badge]

How about the M.I.T.
A baseball mit with an electronic sewn into it, put it on the pitcher to disable and slowly damage it

[grim parcel]

the problem is that its too 2d

like, i feel like its a bit bare bones if its only used for pitchers

and its not like making it a shop item is a good idea

at that point, just buy a sledge or saw

[runic arrow]

We should bring back the paper airplanes to trigger traps and disable turrets 👀

[grim parcel]

and the garden

with the orange tree

and of course

resources

[runic arrow]

Well hopefully a big garden update for that

[grim parcel]

?

[runic arrow]

I don't think we want to introduce that feature singularly

[rugged badge]

Ah something that could disable Kim's oil turret and baseball pitchers?

[runic arrow]

Garden update would involve more than just the orange trees

[grim parcel]

maybe, but that might nerf kim too much. ive said this before and I'll say it again. It doesn't take much to make Kim under powered. She already is because defense doesn't matter that much because of what they did with resources. She's already useless when compared to the meta in Brawl, so I'd be careful with that.

[hot cape]

FCT flytrap in neighbors when

[runic arrow]

Hell yeahhhh

Defensive flytrap deployable

[grim parcel]

Oh, I was referring to the garden from one of the playtests. I think the game was still called just perfect. There were potatos, bananas, tomatos, blah blah blah

oh, and oranges

[runic arrow]

Yeah so a big garden update, not just the orange tree

[grim parcel]

yeah

thats what i was saying

[grim parcel]

^

[runic arrow]

Ah they way you worded it made it sound like just the orange tree

Fair nuff

[grim parcel]

i said garden WITH the orange tree goofy

but ye

why did it even get removed in the first place?

[runic arrow]

We pulled it all out to be able to work with what he had better

[grim parcel]

he had better?

idk what u meant

[runic arrow]

We had a huge amount of features that made the game too complicated to understand

[hot cape]

I think they rather release it bit by bit and make improvements they were just in playtest for testing❤️

[runic arrow]

This

[grim parcel]

alr

[grim parcel]

Thats the thing

There was Just perfect in 2022

then there was jp in 2024

the 2024 was sinple enough

the only thing i didnt like was the multiple shops and the deed

although, i dont mind the garden having its own shop

i think it should have its own shop so it doesnt clutter the shop menu, but i wouldn't be offended if it was in the main shop

[hot cape]

Ye 2-3 years ago it was first publicly revealed but I think it has been worked on since late 2021

[grim parcel]

yeah, i think that version was over complicated

but 2024 wasnt so much

[runic arrow]

Previous version was closer to a simulator

But all those features can be reimplemented with the most recent game in mind

[grim parcel]

yeah

thats what im sayin

just make sure you dont have stupid stuff like "increased melee damage" or "increased ranged weapon damage"

thats really bad

that old version had that

[hot cape]

First version was the goat we had plump lady

[grim parcel]

and in combo with volunteer work, gramps, chad's damage, and even up coming content that may or may not include something that buffs teammates' damage, that would be terrible

so, yeah

id keep the current and future content in mind

[runic arrow]

You're gonna hate Stacy

Jk actually don't fully know the extent of her abilities

[grim parcel]

what about the other one

jk

lets not get too hasty

but, i might actually hate that character

the meta is gonna be chad, gramps, louie, and stacy

[stark gulch]

100%

[grim parcel]

if you guys keep her the way she is rn

she is not finished, so im not going to be too critical

but, im just sayin

[runic arrow]

You sound like you know more about her than me

And i barely know how she works

🤔

[grim parcel]

there was a video on yt

id link it

but jeppe joy told me not to do that

so

womp

[hot cape]

Video contained only the character model so

[grim parcel]

also, its not that hard to data mine and read

[grim parcel]

no?

there was gameplay

[grim parcel]

speaking of which, you guys should really look into this

[hot cape]

We must be talking about different videos than let’s not spread information about this

[grim parcel]

im not gonna spoil, but its not that hard

[runic arrow]

If the biggest companies in the world can't prevent

We can't

[grim parcel]

i mean

you could've made it harder? idk

[runic arrow]

Especially with ue5

[grim parcel]

im not too sure how that stuff works

yeah

at least

dont put new content in this build

ik some stuff is essential

but why does the new map and other stuff have to be in this build

couldnt you just keep that in the dev build

and remove it from the release build?

[runic arrow]

As far as i have heard, not worth it

And people will still datamine

Waste of development resources

We are a small team

[grim parcel]

yeah, but i dont think it would matter that much if they didnt have access to the new content

[grim parcel]

any idea why?

[grim parcel]

what would you be wasting?

[runic arrow]

Time

[grim parcel]

ik, but im under the assumption that holding stuff from the release isnt that bad, but i could be wrong

[hot cape]

Yeah the team can’t really waste precious time on stuff like that

They are already busy enough

[grim parcel]

im not that knowledgeable about that kind of stuff, so im not arguing, but trying understand

[runic arrow]

If it was as black and white as you say it is, i feel like we would have done it

Don't know how to word it otherwise

[grim parcel]

alr

[runic arrow]

More detailed reason isn't something i would be able to explain with my lack of knowledge

[grim parcel]

I've only been involved in 3D modeling and balancing when working with mods and friends' games. So, just keep in mind I'm a bit lost in this lol.

[grim parcel]

yeah, kind of the same here

minus the part that im a dev for this game

[runic arrow]

I just make the game look good with pretty assets and talk shit on Discord 😎

And a butt load of playtesting

[hot cape]

Making the game look good is a side job your actual job is the discord trash talk

[grim parcel]

and you can use curse words?

no fair

[hot cape]

He can because he is the official trash talker

[carmine loom]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-eating-amc-perfectly-popcorn-mouse-yum-yum-delicious-gif-15877432887457947334

[runic arrow]

Shit n piss talking out the ass

[sick rover]

can i say it because im awesome

[hot cape]

Is your name Connor?

[grim parcel]

yes

oh

[sick rover]

phillips McHudgins

[grim parcel]

you mean

https://tenor.com/view/conor-mcgregor-ufc-entrance-gif-15440489

[runic arrow]

His name is spelt wrong

Faker

[grim parcel]

my name is Felipe

so i lied

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1373857993132871750/Leaf.gif

[hot cape]

If your name is not Connor you are not allowed to trash talk sorry guys I don’t make the rules @runic arrow does

Even I have to listen to his rules

[grim parcel]

we just name dropping now

[sick rover]

the last name was not necessary

[grim parcel]

[sick rover]

but

[grim parcel]

butt

[sick rover]

my name is marvin apparat!

or

greg crease

[forest dune]

im so goofy guys

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This thread exploded

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-cat-gif-5858640239144030160

[runic arrow]

My conclusion, add more things to Brawl

[hot cape]

Canr let's not accidently delete the post this time shall we

[runic arrow]

Thread will be gone by dawn

[hot cape]

I'm surprised it's still here

[rugged badge]

Well we weren't at eachothers throats arguing

We gave some constructive criticism back n forth

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I've come to the same conclusion, thank you everyone who participated in this thread. We need all spawns tripled