Nerf Kevin and PA

[elder violet]

Kevin is pretty self explanatory make his ult recharge slower like 4 min PA just need a rework on his ult (he can kill through the roof when I am inside) other than that the project looks great and just need to get more balance in the game

[lavish veldt]

They just need to revert the changes they made to PA. He's been getting nerfed for no good reason, and now he's just a sitting duck.

I don't think he should be able to kill through roof, because then there is no counter play to his alt. Also, that would cause a lot of bugs.

[light moth]

I don't think Kevin should be nerfed to 4 minutes that's way too much, you just have to learn his weaknesses, he's supposed to be the annoying one flying around the neighborhood

[lavish veldt]

I agree, although, I think it's also important to not act like his incendiary rounds are not a braindead.

I'd say that's Kevin's biggest (and probably his only) problem in terms of balancing.

[elder violet]

I am not saying that he should kill through the roof I am saying that he should not be able to do that

[lavish veldt]

Oh, I see. I didn't even know that was a problem lmao.

Are you sure its not exlposive damage?

[elder violet]

The only weakness of Kevin it is his low health other wise he is faster and smaller than any other character

[elder violet]

Might’ve been high ping

[lavish veldt]

I feel like there could be some counter play, but people like P.A. who used to have a fighting chance against him, now don't because of the nerfs. This indirectly buffs Kevin.

Also, having to put up with Kim's is another thing that hurts interactions against Kevin.

I do think that besides that, majority of the characters can play against him perfectly fine. The main problems are characters being under powered (P.A. and Marie Jean) and Kevin's incendiary rounds.

[light moth]

Yea, and that is a big weekness

[lucid heron]

Kevin's incendiary rounds are the problem, rest seems fine imo

[hallow flint]

If i join into a game where the other team has 2 kevins and a P.A. or the other way around i just leave

losing game every single time

P.A. sucks to play against, especially since hes invincible when hes in his cannon

[lavish veldt]

Not true but aight.

[hallow flint]

lol okay

[lucid heron]

You can hurt him with AOE dmg like with Loui's explosives of Kevin's incendiary rounds

[light moth]

Thats weird to just leave, you can without a problem win a game where they have 3 really offensive caracters like two kevins and one P.A

[hallow flint]

never once have

its just becomes a defense only game

[light moth]

Then you have 3 defensive and one offensive

Its not that hard

and its just a part of the game

[hallow flint]

well that only works if you queue with friends lmao

[light moth]

Not always but its a benefit

[hallow flint]

this would require my teammates to be smart enough

[light moth]

yea, true that

[lucid heron]

I wish we could get a mode when you have to commit to fixed position, like offence, base or mid. Maybe in ranked mode we get such a thing

Otherwise, I do not see how ranked would work

in game when you need to cooperate to achieve result and you have fixed things to guard

[hallow flint]

the only way to win against 2 kevin & p.a. team lineup is if youre a 4stack

[light moth]

Not, if you have a smart enough team

[hallow flint]

that is a colassal if

[lucid heron]

You need two people to counter 3 off players

[light moth]

Or you can just be good at defending

[hallow flint]

this guy

[lavish veldt]

Thats just pubs bro.

Idrk what else to tell you lol.

Any pvp game has this issue, but its not really something the devs can do about it.

[hallow flint]

im not complaining about my teammates, im just saying that P.A is generally not that fun to play against

[lavish veldt]

I think his biggest issue outside of nerfs was his cannon's hp. I think that could be nerfed a tad so that way its not a get out of jail free card everytime. Regardless, I told this to someone else and I'll tell it to you. If you're concern about the character is running away with the cannon, than that is a non problem. Understand that you are forcing the P.A. no other option but to run away, causing you to delay his job. Ultimately, if the P.A. is too busy running away and not destroying objects or pvping, than you countering the character.

[hallow flint]

yeah thats fine, i do think his get out of jail free card is beyond annoying, but it just feels super cheap that he can just launch himself onto your house as soon as the game starts and start breaking stuff

its just a cheap mechanic imo

[lavish veldt]

Trust, if you do that, you are hurting your team heavily.

[hallow flint]

ive lost a lot of games to a PA lineup who do that lol

[light moth]

Yea i can defend against it

[lucid heron]

tbh, more broken tactic is to place cannon and almost instantly go inside and shoot yourself, you can do it in less than 2s, almost impossible to counter

some delay, before you can shoot, might tune it

[lavish veldt]

The best way to counter that is have one person on defense, and make sure you prevent the enemy team from gaining resources. Because at that point, what is the P.A. gonna do if hes at your house? Break the windows with a crowbar? Its very inefficient and can easily be dealt with. I also need you to keep in mind that annoying does equal bad game design. Take for instance Gramps or Kevin. Whilst they can be played aggressively, there main purpose is to be very passive with their playstyles. Yes, this can be annoying, but thats just what these characters do. the same way that MJ can flank without the team noticing, the same way a Chad can eat hits, and the same way the baseball launchers can shoot you from range.

@hallow flint

[hallow flint]

well if a single character requires a team to be extremely coordinated, which 90% of pub games wont be.....

i understand and agree with you but

[hallow flint]

really this is a perfect world scenario

[lavish veldt]

Being extremely coordinated is a result of the enemy team putting up a good fight in the construction area, not a result of there being a single P.A. I assure you.

[hallow flint]

of course

[lavish veldt]

No? I've done this plenty of times with pubs and friends.

[hallow flint]

im talking specifically on the 2 kevin and P.A. bumrush strat

[lavish veldt]

By my logic, that'd completely counter your previous point about 90% of games being this way.

[lavish veldt]

Its not that viable if you know how to counter play it. Although, its a team-based game, so its expect to have varrying team comp quality.

[hallow flint]

true

[lavish veldt]

This isn't a problem with P.A. or Kevin (they have problems I acknowledge that), but even if these problems were fine-tuned, what would that accomplish on your regard of this conversation?

Nothing, because its a result of team comp.

[hallow flint]

i dont have a real answer to that lol it just feels way too easy for P.A. to get onto your house like its nothing

[lavish veldt]

Still not a good argument.

Even then, what about the catapult?

We just gonna act like thats not in the game lol?

Believe me when I say, 99% precent of the problems you're having could be remedied by a good team comp.

[hallow flint]

well you have to buy the catapult and get it delivered lol

its not free

and have enough recourses

[hallow flint]

i get the whole "gid good lul" argument but p.a. is still lame

[lavish veldt]

I just heavily disagree with that.

The character used to have an interesting playstyle. I think he is very lame now, but he was cool before hand.

[lavish veldt]

True, but my point is that in the late game anyone can launch over to your house. By your logic, this would be game breaking, except its not, becasue having a good team comp/ good defense resolves this problem.

Which is what I've been saying this entire time.

[hallow flint]

its not because its late game lmao and you have defenses already mostly built up

[lavish veldt]

Refer to the above. @hallow flint

Like I said, its all about team comp.

We're just gonna keep on going in circles.

[elder violet]

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[lavish veldt]

If nothing gets done about P.A., I'm thinking I might make a discussion video on the topic. I might even include this thread, as it provides some valuable povs that are worth mentioning.