cunning sand
I wanted to talk about it for a while, but I keep forgetting because memory of a fish.
Sounds as simple as it is. If you have Shadow Crystal, you may only transform to Wolf, and not back to Human until you get the Master Sword. It would be hell to figure out the logic for it, I know. But it sounds very... Hardmode type thing in a Randomizer.
Or clearing a Twilight region also transforms you back into human, I guess?
tranquil lake
regarding the logic thing: youre right, basically any locked-as-wolf shenanigans would require a full rewrite, but my idea would be keeping this setting NL-only (but im probably changing the suggestion too much rn lol)
cunning sand
Oh, yeah. I meant it as a setting for hardmode, yes.
magic wave
Technically they already are lore accurate - not being able to transform back was only because the SC was buried deep into link's head and inaccessible
(However the suggestion itself is still cool)
pseudo basin
regarding the logic thing: youre right, basically any locked-as-wolf shenanigans...
A full rewrite?
Wouldn't you only have to worry about placing the Shadow Crystal in a hand-picked number of checks? It's only 1 item.
It can't even be placed inside any large chests because they have to be opened by Link. And you can't place it in most indoor locations.
Can't place it in Snowpeak because you need to fish as Link to learn the Reekfish Scent.
Can't place it anywhere in the Desert because you need to use the cannon to reach the area.
Can't place it deep in either of the Lantern Caves.
Can't place it in most of the dungeons since many require Link to reach the entrance.
Can't place it on any walls or trees or on any high ledges.
Just these few limitations really narrow down where it can be placed.
And I didn't even cover everything.
wanton dune
It's not that simple. The only way this would work is in a no-logic in an unofficial fork
tranquil lake
A full rewrite?
Wouldn't you only have to worry about placing the Shadow Crysta...
well, given that the logic is split into more rooms than the game itself is and youd have to add human-access logic to everything wolf cant do... no
cunning sand
Would be very befitting a no-logic setting. I'm not sure if I explained how it would work. But I meant you can keep the crystal and not use it until you get Master Sword, or risk it if you somehow know you can definitely get Master Sword if you were to transform. So a one-time transformation card to wolf but you can't reverse it until Master Sword.
tranquil lake
yea i got what you mean, but ijr human would stay completely out of logic until you found master sword
also i forgor to mention in answering Oni: the current logic assumes you can transform to human any time its needed
so the more i think of the logic for this or for general wolf-only, the more hell it becomes
and logic isnt built like "item x cant be placed there and there", logic is like "here is a list of all checks in this room and of all neighbor rooms with their requirements"
cunning sand
I one day hope to understand how logic is programmed, but just thinking how much it has to do on its own is making my brain overheat. I salute you logic programmers, genuinely. Can't imagine how horrific it is.
tranquil lake
for me it wasnt hard to understand at all, like the syntax is super easy to read. it just gets a pain when you have to think of special things like this or e.g. key logic
pseudo basin
well, given that the logic is split into more rooms than the game itself is and ...
Sorry, was at the movie theater for the last few hours.
Dumb it down for me a little.
If something is totally out of reach for Wolf Link like those examples of limitations I gave, why would you have to write human access logic for EVERYTHING in the game?
It would only have to be every possible check in every reachable area without ever being human Link, right?
That excludes the dungeons, Snowpeak, the Desert, most interiors, and the lantern caves.
If an area is possible to reach as Wolf Link but isn't acquirable, writing the human logic is indeed necessary.
We're only talking less than a quarter of the game though.
Oh well. We're only talking about a hypothetical situation here.
I didn't mean to sound so pushy.