📨・meta-help

[sour silo]

Maybe i should also feed darens

[sick flower]

uniframes dont have tlc

[ionic cedar]

the first unit with timestop was empyrea or cappuccino

[sour silo]

imma wait for plasma wz with solo kamui before feeding pyro sig to kamui

[ionic cedar]

its been so long that idr who came first

[sick flower]

it was empyrea which later got tlc added into her kit

[sour silo]

Empyrea and selena dont have time lag until sometime

Maybe because of nanami idk

I alr forgot

[ionic cedar]

ah, interesting

[sour silo]

So prehistoric

[sick flower]

yes starfarer was the unit that introduced tlc to pgr

empyrea got it later

[nova marten]

3 outmeta units and 1 weak ass unit
What does Kusogames mean by this

[ionic cedar]

thats rlly funny since she was the quickest to be replaced

[nova marten]

Is Keklena gonna die to new Alpha

[sour silo]

4 out of meta

[nova marten]

[sick flower]

you know that pgr is a video game

[nova marten]

Brickedlena

Her memory leap did nothing

[slow cobalt]

for people who wana crack then instead of being a meta slave (ig)

[ionic cedar]

selena bad

[sick flower]

qu and dante will die to alpha

[sour silo]

Qu alr dead wdym

[sick flower]

qu is the latest ice attacker

alpha will most likely be ice attacker

[sour silo]

Teddy is the latest attacker

[ionic cedar]

qu is dead in ice, its wanshi teddy duo

[nova marten]

Qu is in an undead state, dead but technically not dead

[sour silo]

[nova marten]

Let's prolong her suffering

[sour silo]

Kamui or honse is the qte bot

[nova marten]

By being undead she no longer has the chance to get a new frame

[ionic cedar]

if she got a leap with nuke qte, qu would be saved

[pallid cypress]

is the new vera skin gacha?

[ionic cedar]

alas, goodbye sweet dictator

[sour silo]

Highly doubt it

[sick flower]

no she would not be

[pallid cypress]

if it is im torn between that or SSS Kamui

[nova marten]

Not gacha

[simple dew]

base dmg is plume

[sour silo]

She would have watanks case

"glacio"

[sick flower]

not ca? woah

[pallid cypress]

oh well, guess i can use that discount banner they are going to do to get rosetta to SS3

[sour silo]

And glacio % stuff

[simple dew]

base dmg

[sick flower]

i meant with leap

[pallid cypress]

the discount banner will be next patch right?

[nova marten]

Even if Qu somehow gets a leap she's not beating Rosetta in Ice

[simple dew]

with crit probably abyss

[sick flower]

why dont we count leaps bro what

[slow cobalt]

yep

[ionic cedar]

i mean, every leap so far has improved damage so. yes? unless they designed it blindly

[sick flower]

...
white orbs used in sig move...

[ionic cedar]

but overall its awkward having the amp be the teams lead dps

[sick flower]

the main point of leap is damage increase

[ionic cedar]

case in point nirvatia

[nova marten]

If Alpha isn't a new class and is Ice Attacker, she's gonna be the second biggest fraud

[ionic cedar]

for qu unfortunately, the main point would be adding an affix

[sick flower]

that is the case only if you overinvest nirvatia

[pallid cypress]

unless they make her an ice breaker

[simple dew]

doesnt increase ult

[sick flower]

there is nothing that can save qu

[pallid cypress]

kinda feel breakers are the best of both worlds between attackers and tanks

they got the damage and they got the shred

[nova marten]

It's half Anniv which has always been Attacker except for the very first half Anniv

[sour silo]

Kamui just solo the entire run

[nova marten]

Attackers are perfect at their jobs, u know

[sick flower]

you need to make her deal like triple the damage she does to revive her, thats ofc not happening with leap

[ionic cedar]

i mean, idc if qu is saved or not and i dont think its likely she will. i imagine alpha is coming to replace her

[nova marten]

Being cash cows and die early so new cash cows can come in

[simple dew]

[sick flower]

did you read what i said

[ionic cedar]

yes?

[sour silo]

Alpha rerun mafia

[slow cobalt]

nah he got nerfed 6 feet under thus people started saying lucia is saved and watank is ggs

i think

[sick flower]

you are asking them to multiply her numbers

thats not what leaps do

[sour silo]

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Not saved for f2p invest

[simple dew]

29m is under the ground?

[sour silo]

Whel invest is saved

[simple dew]

[nova marten]

I do want Kamui to get nerfed even more

Hah, hah, hah

[sour silo]

Watank stays if f2p

[simple dew]

my watank gone

[slow cobalt]

compared to 1st beta i meant

[simple dew]

[sour silo]

First beta usually higher %

They just need to balance it

[sick flower]

watanabe is only replaced if
S0 wata S0 geiravor SSS+ pyroath
other than this watanabe still meta

[pallid cypress]

and my watanabe is SSS

[sick flower]

pyroath is so weak compared to others its just funny

[simple dew]

watanabe gone for me

[pallid cypress]

my vera is SS0 tho

[simple dew]

free reso fodder

[sour silo]

Coming from the weakest gen 3 attacker ye

[simple dew]

along with ish

[pallid cypress]

so with my invest what do you think?

Pyroath SS0, Vera SS0 and watanabe SSS

[sour silo]

Pyro stays at plasma tho

At all invest

[sick flower]

replace pyroath with kamui

[sour silo]

She still shreds in plasma

[pallid cypress]

i dont remember if my pyroath is SS3 tho

[sick flower]

no

[slow cobalt]

kamu is also plasma so

[pallid cypress]

planning to

[slow cobalt]

nana gets to retire in plasma

[ionic cedar]

pyro stays in fire after kamui v3

she leaves plasma

[sick flower]

kamui should have been going to replace nanami but no, they fced it up and made him replace pyroath

[slow cobalt]

ts

[ionic cedar]

plasma mechanics too awkward to support dual carry

[sick flower]

do you even know what does nanami and kamui do in plasma

[pallid cypress]

i thought it was the reverse

[nova marten]

Pyrowashed never had a chance in the first place

[pallid cypress]

Kamui replaces Pyro in fire but Pyro stays in plasma

[sour silo]

Couldn't find the rotational plasma

Solo just 9.1m

[nova marten]

They could have saved her with a leap

[ionic cedar]

no rotation supports dual carry plasma

[nova marten]

But they didn't do it

[sick flower]

what are these people saying omfg

[pallid cypress]

with Kamui booting nanami

[simple dew]

instead the worst gen 3 got leapt

[nova marten]

Instead, Hanging got a leap and also it didn't do shjt

[ionic cedar]

uhhh

[nova marten]

[sick flower]

this chat is filled with misinfo im crying

[sour silo]

Kamui can regen plasma

[ionic cedar]

hanying leap is good huh

[sour silo]

I mean

Gets his own charge

Not regen

[nova marten]

Good leap, terrible team, don't matter

[simple dew]

what does the foul witch leap even do

[sour silo]

Mostly for fakeslash

[slow cobalt]

nana is only realy a bis because lighting barely shreads for plasma
and since kamui is a direct shread to plasma, its safe to asume he replaces nana

[nova marten]

Kamui should have killed her and none of this would have happened

[ionic cedar]

its also good for normal phys lmao

[simple dew]

[nova marten]

Fire breaker is uneccessary

[simple dew]

cw doesnt have qte nuke

[nova marten]

But again Kusogames don't operate on logic

[ionic cedar]

cw doesnt have qte nuke

[slow cobalt]

thats what i think, if im wrong then oh well

[pulsar shell]

NGL im thinking about skipping kamui and going for alpha instead. They did him from with that dress .

[ionic cedar]

😭

[nova marten]

Nah skip Alpha she'll be a fraud anyway

[simple dew]

#💬・pgr-general

[nova marten]

SS3 or nothing merchant

[simple dew]

make sure to spam ping ezra when trashphas comes

[graceful summit]

And why is that an issue

[plain oyster]

Skipping a breaker hmm

[sour silo]

No one's stopping you dw

[simple dew]

this game too woke smh

[slow cobalt]

kicking people out off this chat moment

[sour silo]

Get who you want

[sick flower]

just like arete replaced the executioner (vergil) instead of the support (hanying) for slash aeternion will replace the executioner (pyroath) instead of the support (nanami) in plasma

kuro makes breakers act like attackers in affixes instead of making breakers act like tanks in affixes, they are straight up making the attacker class useless

[simple dew]

Nah just play Aether Gazer, much better than Woke Gay Raven, same gameplay style and a LOT more fun, a LOT more waifus and the PC version is 1000x better.

[sick flower]

dot.

[ionic cedar]

breaker is powercreep

yes

[sour silo]

not so used to buttons after palying pgr

[sick flower]

pgr will have buttons now but they will be colored

they really got rid of orbs in kamui

[slow cobalt]

if they let us change that in settings i dont mind
if they dont then we are fcked in the future

[simple dew]

actually

[sour silo]

I just like this kinds of customization

[simple dew]

i fw this with all of my heart

alpha dead on arrival

[sick flower]

you have the option to either have a single orb appearing 16 times in the screen or 1 single orb acting like a folder of the same color orbs

[sour silo]

Rng orbs is fun

[ionic cedar]

attacker is only useless until kuro powercreeps with the next one anyone

[simple dew]

vanish

[sick flower]

we will no longer have orb rng

[graceful summit]

K unc👴

Nostalgic ahh

[nova marten]

Pyrobum next patch

[sick flower]

LIMPIDITY IS THE LAST PGR UNIT TO HAVE ORB RNG

[simple dew]

then they release a new member for x element and the attacker dies

[sour silo]

Funny I didn't experience rng with limpidih

Sp delay was fun

[ionic cedar]

if theyve proven anything, its that they are innovative with making new units busted in new ways

[ionic cedar]

yes, the cycle continues

[sick flower]

thats because you dont spend any time in her first form

[sour silo]

mb

[ionic cedar]

attackers value is off field damage, they should probably focus on that aspect since every new unit is built to shine on field. except fraudronica

[sour silo]

Im glad 5 ult is fixed

[simple dew]

attackers value is being off account

[slow cobalt]

i feel like its mostly because newer units > way better damage, and they have only been realeasing breakers and amps so ofc they would be the dps for the time being untill an actual dps comes around

[sick flower]

SS3 limpidity qte deals more damage than whole SSS cw rotation

[sour silo]

So that 1 mistake = retry

[ionic cedar]

plus breaker probably just too op

new attacker class when

[sour silo]

Crashing out when you didnt 5 ult

[sick flower]

can you stop making wrong assumptions
its not because they deal more damage, its because they made him act like an executioner (deal high damage but dont increase damage) instead of making him a support (deal low/mid damage and increase damage)

[sour silo]

Look at Watanabe covering almost every team

[pulsar shell]

Upcoming Alpha frame might introduce a new class

[sour silo]

For f2p

[simple dew]

#💬・pgr-general

begone

[sick flower]

the misinfo here is crazy

[pulsar shell]

Come on man

[simple dew]

the class she will introduce is vanguard

[sour silo]

Ice new affix on alpha

[simple dew]

[slow cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-sisyphus-gif-18371419869619235738

[simple dew]

alpha uniframe

[sick flower]

gen 3 vanguard would be crazy ngl

[sour silo]

Alpha mafia skin rerun looks like new ice to me

[pulsar shell]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-spray-bless-and-santize-you-gif-16738689

[ionic cedar]

delete vanguard

[sour silo]

6 koya on omniframes

[ionic cedar]

im tired of playing these crusty units every week

[barren plank]

Let's just wait until the patch actually releases so we can test ourselves and account for Live changes

[nova marten]

I'd only pull Alpha if she's Phys Destroyer, new Attacker class

[sour silo]

Hanying leap would upscale my vergil on uppc clearing

[sick flower]

hanying leap is very weak btw

[simple dew]

uppc in 2026

[sick flower]

i expected it to make physical duo dps but it made hanying barely above veronica now

[sour silo]

I just need to sss thru vouchers

[nova marten]

He's aiming for 6s clear UPPC

[sour silo]

[ionic cedar]

the end beta result is usually fairly indicative, but generally i agree. after all, rosetta had a huge turn around towards the end.

[simple dew]

it fixed her issues and just buffed her trash slash

[sick flower]

i love the way the whole community wants the new class for alpha to be called destroyer

[simple dew]

phys i didnt notice anything of significance

[graceful summit]

Wait what
Aeternion does not replace pyroath's "executioner" role

He just deal more damage that's why pyroath have high chance to get booted

[sour silo]

Only the onfield shred

[pulsar shell]

We really need a new game mode in PGR. The game is just getting tedious over time. Don’t think units are the issue

[ionic cedar]

i remember she was mid in dark in her beta and then end result shes op in both teams

[sour silo]

Iirc physical scoring 20m because of the field

[ionic cedar]

nerfed a bit in ts tho

[graceful summit]

Rosetta is a special case

[mighty tusk]

21 already

pre-kamui fire similarly

[nova marten]

Hanging leap is very good it's just in a trash team

[sick flower]

thats still way above pyroath, atp we need alpha to come with 2 leaps

[slow cobalt]

i think it gets boring because of lack of endgame, not exactly tedious

[barren plank]

Nerfed a LOT in TS, she was scoring 47M in V3 and got gutted in V4

[mighty tusk]

TS should still be as strong as dark I think

[sour silo]

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[nova marten]

New TS is Dark tier

[barren plank]

What's dark, 35M?

[nova marten]

Thanks to Hanging leap

[sour silo]

Was it like ts before

[nova marten]

Dark 38m max?

[ionic cedar]

ts does score near dark with new hanying

[simple dew]

imagine if hanying and rosetta were in the same v3

[wanton hatch]

never doubted my Hanying

[simple dew]

[sick flower]

imagine if alpha is new class, stupid op to make teddy sub dps and introduce a broken wanshi leap

[ionic cedar]

qte shred field leap

[simple dew]

broken pyro leap

[ionic cedar]

[sour silo]

38.7m

[nova marten]

If Alpha is actually new class on the level of Breaker she'd put Teddy on QTE slave duty

[sour silo]

They were so close to 39m

[sick flower]

thats too much

[slow cobalt]

more leap for my skipping units ah please

[wanton hatch]

soon

[graceful summit]

So?
Role wise he is not an executioner
As he can actually generate plasma gauge

Not his fault pyroath is such a fraud

[ionic cedar]

it wouldn't be fully teddy, wanshi damage is poo

[nova marten]

Wanshjt must be on field otherwise no shred field and someone gotta shred consistently

[sour silo]

Just bring in watank

[ionic cedar]

he would be watanabe'd and hold dv

[sick flower]

pyroath spending half a minute to build up plasma gauge is pure hard work, lucia always works hard she should get a broken leap

[nova marten]

If u only 1 rot Wanshjt Teddy would be left fighting shredless enemies after Alpha rot

[pulsar shell]

Anyway the only thing I want is a new Lucia frame.

[nova marten]

Kill Lucia and she'll get a frame in no time

[wanton hatch]

Nihil all over again

[ionic cedar]

lucia shouldn't get a leap

[slow cobalt]

lilith laughing in the corner of the room

[sick flower]

pyroath is one of the best pgr characters in any possible way besides damage

[slow cobalt]

ts

[ionic cedar]

shes like the oldest gen 3 attacker

[sick flower]

scire builds plasma faster no?

[ionic cedar]

bye

[sour silo]

Thats alpha

[pulsar shell]

But what if they make her even better

[ionic cedar]

fraudpha

[barren plank]

Technically

Good luck trying to get enough 3pings though

[sour silo]

And never will be unless kuro does it anyways

[slow cobalt]

gambling for charaters is fun, not during combat

[mighty tusk]

meta fire attackers haven't had a single leap

[slow cobalt]

legit the first

[mighty tusk]

neither does ice units

so it would be a first

[sour silo]

I thought palefire

[graceful summit]

Wanshi leap fr fr

[barren plank]

Attackers in general don't really get leaps

[ionic cedar]

yes palefire

[sick flower]

i have never seen any plasma run with scire does she ever get to build the second plasma gauge

[mighty tusk]

as dv bot

[sour silo]

Oh ye i remember now

[barren plank]

Palefire was meta for like 2 patches

[mighty tusk]

stigmata, cw, luna, ?

[slow cobalt]

pre lilith times do be wild

[ionic cedar]

lol

[sick flower]

lucia with 25% of her frames having leap vs alpha with 100% of her frames having leaps 🥀

[graceful summit]

I mean why would she
When Lilith exist
Not like she deal any damage anyway

[sour silo]

Idk why i leap dawn

[barren plank]

That's three

[sour silo]

Or probably because of babel

[graceful summit]

The only time scire is used is pre Lilith

Even that's very painful

[mighty tusk]

and counting
depends if kuro actually will do something about half anniv/chinese new year units leap

[ionic cedar]

every class has received a similar number of leaps if you look at it by archetype

if you specifically mean every class, then amp has received the fewest

[mighty tusk]

only 3 are relevant

[sick flower]

what does that matter
only 1

[barren plank]

Even Balter's leap is pushing it

[sour silo]

Leaped for ts🥀

[barren plank]

That thing was actual doodoo

Still the worst leap ever

[ionic cedar]

balter leap was fraud

[nova marten]

CW leap was the worst

[rotund fox]

What does it do

[barren plank]

CW leap was also sht but hey at least she got some matrix and orb QoL and some passable damage increases

[ionic cedar]

cw leap had qol and nuke qte

[barren plank]

It gives her access to TS

[ionic cedar]

balter leap didnt even have that

lol

[rotund fox]

That's all?

[nova marten]

Tbh I really don't remember anything about Balter leap

[sick flower]

huh shouldnt it be way more

[barren plank]

That's literally the only notable thing it does

[sour silo]

Nanami pulse leap was for watank hypercarry in ppc

[barren plank]

She has no QoL and has fckall dmg increases

[wanton hatch]

Bica leap

[nova marten]

Best leap was still FIRE GOD

Those who were there to witness it

[sick flower]

IM CRYING

[simple dew]

ice leap when

[sick flower]

THESE 2 ARE THE ONLY AMPLIFIERS WITH LEAP

[mighty tusk]

using hold dodge can trigger qtes + some extra dmg for ult1 for rare ppc cases

[wanton hatch]

was my main fire dps till pyro came

[sour silo]

Yes

[wanton hatch]

[ionic cedar]

best leap was vera rozen, where my homies who played her right before lamia patch as dark dps 😭

[barren plank]

Patton Rozen

[simple dew]

best leap was vera rozen, where my homies who played her right before lamia patch as dark dps 😭

[sick flower]

astral leap >

[sour silo]

nah i'd off element

[ionic cedar]

astral leap is trash

[wanton hatch]

hey it was good

[sick flower]

nuh uh crazy sig damage

[ionic cedar]

he has no orbs

[sour silo]

Off-element was a thing

[ionic cedar]

😭

[sour silo]

[wanton hatch]

at least the bar pauses now

[sour silo]

Balter on ice and physical

[sick flower]

the damage astral with leap deals compared to nightblade with no leap is astronomically different

[ionic cedar]

when you put it like that you're so right

[sour silo]

cant say

I only play them on siege

[simple dew]

the best leap is ice leap

[sick flower]

i play them on celicas class

[ionic cedar]

same

[barren plank]

Then Noctis said nope

[ionic cedar]

i want A rank wz

[sour silo]

[wanton hatch]

then play A rank

[ionic cedar]

but we will never have it

[wanton hatch]

[simple dew]

siege

[wanton hatch]

it's not hard

[barren plank]

NieR in fire WZ

[slow cobalt]

i legit refuesd to do plasma back then because of that Camellya

[ionic cedar]

not the same

[sour silo]

I avoid plasma because of daren

[ionic cedar]

i do like A rank siege tho

[barren plank]

People just used NieR in fire warzone because Ember was just that trash

[sour silo]

I only played plasma until lilick

[slow cobalt]

nier collab being relevent in 2026

[sour silo]

[ionic cedar]

nier was used bc it was overtuned lmao. but it was very funny

[sour silo]

They have special class leaders

[ionic cedar]

not to the people who didnt have the nier team

but it was funny if you did

[mighty tusk]

nier = wz
dmc = ppc
both have been nerfed with off-element

[sour silo]

vergil on monzano

[barren plank]

I hate the fcking IB changes it just makes the mode even more P2W

[mighty tusk]

nah, void takes the cake

10 sec

[ionic cedar]

nirv fist ult

[mighty tusk]

also applies for plasma vero

[ionic cedar]

im normal about it

[peak halo]

O wait i can tb just light it

Time to redo later

[sick flower]

astral boi :3

[ionic cedar]

IB just needs to not be susceptible to completely exploding in one rot with a 333 team

lmao

its just uppc 2

[sour silo]

Malding on ib

[ionic cedar]

ultra low effort rn

[ionic cedar]

he is beautiful, but where is the captain hook skin

[peak halo]

Was very fun

Nowaday ppc slop

[sick flower]

@peak halo attami do you like my clip

[nova marten]

They're adding 2 more bosses to IB aren't they

[sour silo]

i alr find ib not fun because of my skulls amount

[nova marten]

Powered and Moon

[sour silo]

Rn just malding wz for ego

[mighty tusk]

90 mil iirc

[nova marten]

100m HP base incoming

[nova marten]

so 150m with buff

Finally, a challenge

[mighty tusk]

it's bound to happen anyway

[sour silo]

sleeping zone

[ionic cedar]

units do absurd damage per rotation now

has to have high hp

[sour silo]

Anything but new wz mobs

[sick flower]

anything but new celica bosses

[mighty tusk]

not like it will be a game changer

[nova marten]

What's Celica class? This game only has PPC WZ

[sour silo]

Bring back terrapods

[nova marten]

Add Terrapods to IB

[mighty tusk]

I mean, they are "technically" updating celica's class every patch

[nova marten]

Come on give us a challenge

[ionic cedar]

terrapods

[sick flower]

they are not

[ionic cedar]

[peak halo]

Im not a stylish man
But looks avg gen1 play

[mighty tusk]

yes they do, just not the ones you want

[nova marten]

Hey remember when PPC bosses could actually kill you?

[sick flower]

the new tutorial system is character based, they have nothing to do with celica

they just appear in celicas class as well

[mighty tusk]

so they do update it

[mighty tusk]

because it appears too

[nova marten]

Even Nozzle out of all things could one shot u with its minions
Or the most famous, Riot

[ionic cedar]

celica has boss simulations but its out of date

i think the last one is shorthalt or smth

[mighty tusk]

people weren't being specific

[sick flower]

anything but new celica bosses
i agree

[peak halo]

Yes
I hated musashi with underlvled gen 1 units

[sour silo]

Mushashi disappearing

[rotund fox]

Did Roseblade actually kill you in wz?

[sour silo]

[rotund fox]

I saw some clip of it

[sick flower]

isnt musashi dodge bait

[ionic cedar]

idk why they dont update it

[sour silo]

It does

[sick flower]

idk about his hp but his attacks are so easy to dodge

[sour silo]

Mushashi ppc

[ionic cedar]

is the 10bc one-time per boss gonna send us over

[mighty tusk]

surely they're the target demographic

[sour silo]

Didnt kill it = disappear into one shotting u

[nova marten]

Musashi 10s iframe
Riot 20s laser spam
Roland u can't see me ahh attack
Leon teleporting
Camu grabbing ur balls

[peak halo]

Its ez if u figured out the pattern
Also tha pattern changed diff to diff

[ionic cedar]

the target demographic is wz and ppc malders

[nova marten]

Back when PPC was actually something hard

Like actually PAIN cage

[sick flower]

i find ca the most fun boss

[sour silo]

Theres one boss that will waste your time with a cutscene

[mighty tusk]

veronica

[sick flower]

her attacks are fairly easy but not no brain type

[nova marten]

Machi 6s walking down the stair

And then ur Ploom got no gud orbs

[sick flower]

her stage makes the characters vfx stand out clearly, really good for clips

[peak halo]

Luna was very long intro too

[sour silo]

Cant say

[peak halo]

7 or 8s

[sour silo]

I only played ca wz

[ionic cedar]

i parse on nozzle lol

[nova marten]

Loona 7s something but somehow didn't feel that long

[ionic cedar]

just jack the hp all the way up

[nova marten]

Machi always felt the worst

[peak halo]

Yep

Cuz he step like slowmo

[sour silo]

Isn't that a nier boss or not

[sick flower]

i feel like ca could have insanely high burst for a gen 1 unit with dlt

[pastel crane]

machi walking vs glory red dodge cancel

[sick flower]

but i dont want to waste a usb on ca

even though its alpha

[sour silo]

Now its beta

[peak halo]

I wasted 2

[ionic cedar]

i never tried alpha ca

i got entropy

[nova marten]

OG boss made for Nier patch

Mid ahh story

[pastel crane]

did u bully roland

[ionic cedar]

yes

[sick flower]

she is really fun

[sour silo]

Entropiss

[pastel crane]

now try alpha with nanami storm

[ionic cedar]

i rlly should

sss+ storm big whale

[sick flower]

bullying the horse

[ionic cedar]

a fun thing i like doing sometimes is taking an old unit and just plopping them overtop whoever the current attacker in a team is and just seeing what happens

[pastel crane]

until rosetta hanna set full red quick swap 1 touch

[ionic cedar]

those are funny words magic man

[wanton hatch]

funni magic

[sick flower]

rigor leap should have brought horse form

[sour silo]

Why's that

[ionic cedar]

honse leap was a fraud

[wanton hatch]

nuh

[sick flower]

no

[wanton hatch]

[sour silo]

100% shred is fun

[wanton hatch]

u fraud

[sour silo]

[ionic cedar]

no tlc 💀 💀

[sick flower]

ca and rigor leaps are like the best gen 1 leaps

[ionic cedar]

she deserved more

[sour silo]

uh

[sick flower]

...
thats because its gen 1

[wanton hatch]

skill tissue

[sick flower]

LAVIVA

WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR PFP

[ionic cedar]

im aware, can i not want for the finer things

[sick flower]

if what you want is to make a character change their generation then no

[sour silo]

Ask kuro about that

Cant say

[pastel crane]

astral

[ionic cedar]

horrible

[sour silo]

Cappuccino slow ult

[graceful summit]

Free mone omg

[ionic cedar]

lmao

[upbeat phoenix]

mods moved fast

[ionic cedar]

yeah they did wow

[pulsar estuary]

damn was about to tag em

[sour silo]

[pastel crane]

https://tenor.com/view/mrbeast-ytpmv-rap-battle-squid-game-squid-game-vs-mrbeast-gif-25491394

[ionic cedar]

if nobody said anything i would've assumed i hallucinated it

[sour silo]

Mr Least

[sour silo]

What was it

[ionic cedar]

no idea

[sour silo]

Aw

Probably my imagination

[graceful summit]

Mod gatekeeping our funds

[sour silo]

[ashen parcel]

Hello

looking for EU players in here?

UwU Pweese anyone

[peak halo]

[final fog]

I'm here

[ashen parcel]

@final fog Yeahhhh see me on the legend leader boarder IM MOVING UP IN THE WORLD

Lets gooooooo!

[final fog]

Whats your in game name?

[ashen parcel]

Chara

[final fog]

Oh i see

Top 10

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1270555258308919381/1444306307783069797/ezgif-1393db3f5a3c4b08.gif

Good job

This my bracket

[ashen parcel]

What do you plan to do with nihil>

[final fog]

Nothing

Its slacc week

[ashen parcel]

I see i need to get my ice up

its too ass atm

but i need to work on my ishmael first

she is incomplete

dayuum too much to do

[ionic cedar]

i think the highest i saw with ice this week is 12.9m with full s+

[fluid gulch]

Thats low

Thats 3S ice range

[ionic cedar]

if you have a 333 ice team (ft rosetta/ayla) then expect a range from low 8m to high 9m

its quite strange, last week i scored 11m in ice. quite a considerable drop

could be that ice thrived with that particular weather or wz type

[olive osprey]

mob wz is just bad LivEh~2

[peak halo]

Finally in ur home
Go now bald 50

[peak halo]

Same i slac too

[orchid owl]

does affix shred stack with elemental stack?

[final fog]

You top 7 whel

[peak halo]

Still slack

Or maybie mald for fun
I cant bald more than eru

[final fog]

[peak halo]

We will meet in hero anyway

[orchid owl]

@peak halo what do you think

[graceful summit]

Yes

[orchid owl]

like what if you used rosetta and watanabe

[graceful summit]

Pretty sure

[orchid owl]

do you have double df shred?

[peak halo]

Forget what was khaled results about dark× df

[orchid owl]

you could have 50% shred in affix?

25% + 25%

[peak halo]

But them separate buff so elementary need to stack

[orchid owl]

not necessarily in additive manner but you would have more than you started with

[graceful summit]

Yepyep

So kamui having ion shred is actually a good thing

[peak halo]

Wtf 50
45 + 45

[graceful summit]

Can stack with nana

[orchid owl]

I gotta see this for myself

hopping on dummy grounds

[peak halo]

Sadly solo nerfed

Or its just fire

[peak halo]

Technicly can made paper a bear

[raw quail]

Excuse me, can anyone help me unbind my google on pgr?

[steel pike]

Which SS3 should I get, solacetune, startrail or ishmael

[graceful summit]

Ishmael

[peak halo]

[graceful summit]

Hanying is getting a leap so you can ss3 her from vouchers

[peak halo]

Shttrail fall off

[steel pike]

[graceful summit]

Why you slander our nanami

[peak halo]

Simple

I just hate her

[simple dew]

gae

[peak halo]

Only things which i like her on is igni

[steel pike]

Does rotation change with Ss3 ishmael?

[peak halo]

Yes

[stray siren]

SS3 Ishmael has different rotations depending on the warzone, just learn one and spam that

[upbeat phoenix]

does she?

I've only ever seen one

[spiral merlin]

i know of a couple different 3 rotas

shes flexible

ishsob

[ionic cedar]

the limit is your creativity

and having dlt

[peak halo]

Same
But thats the general one

[spiral merlin]

oh id get creative for sure

[peak halo]

But donno why
For me ele ish or 2 rot is not work

[simple dew]

whats ss rosetta cottie rot

[spiral merlin]

funny of u to think i know ss rots

[graceful summit]

#whel-help

[peak halo]

Same with me

[peak halo]

Also do u think
Kick fast kick rot better this week?

[spiral merlin]

idk i dont use cot ish lol

[peak halo]

Ohh forgot

[spiral merlin]

kick fast kick is generally good tho

[peak halo]

Then i will try

Also nirv rot is how much sec to u?

Im felt i really slow
Like 5/6s

[spiral merlin]

5

it cant be any more than that because cot can do 2 within 10s

[peak halo]

So i just need to faster on ish or luna

[spiral merlin]

yeah

[peak halo]

3 rot ish is 8s

[spiral merlin]

with 4pc elem ish, the only limiting factor in a run is luna

makes things a lot easier lol

need luna out of this team asap

[peak halo]

What if we just use dps nirv
And qte bot luna

[spiral merlin]

impossible

[peak halo]

For 1 ult just need cottie right?

[spiral merlin]

another reason why i hate luna

[spiral merlin]

need both ults for off field dmg

[peak halo]

Ik

But just qte dmg?

[spiral merlin]

not better than normal setup

luna dmg is not negligible

[peak halo]

Yeah sadly

But all of them dmg too

All count

[spiral merlin]

nirv cant compensate

[peak halo]

If i do just 2 ish rot with cottie
The wave progress get lost

If i do ele mem rot its felt worst for me

Just not getting the breakpoints

[spiral merlin]

its generally opposite for me

cant meet breakpoints with cottie

[peak halo]

I seen

Then i only thing i can do is improve the speed

[ionic cedar]

luna is nuke qte and her damage isnt bad enough to be dv bot

and no team is good w/o dv

[peak halo]

Yep
Its just was a idea

[ionic cedar]

so nirv doesnt take over as the teams main dps

yet

probably ever tho

the next void unit will be stronger than her

[peak halo]

But when

[ionic cedar]

luna is on her last legs, probably within a year

units getting a leap doesnt usually mean they have long left

[peak halo]

Mean just get a rewamp to still relevant until replace

[stray siren]

I've seen about 4, the one above for example I've never used

But each one changes the number of kicks, so they works when you map and route the zones really well

[ashen parcel]

🤗

[hasty badge]

[pallid cypress]

with the info we have is Kamui worth SSS?

how many copies i will need for SSS?

baseline is SS0 with 30 shards

[hearty geyser]

Getting back into the game, but it's been 3 years
Was there still a google sheet with builds and such?

[abstract meadow]

Base char + 4 dupes total

[hearty geyser]

I tried looking in pins but didn't find anything

[abstract meadow]

Reduct however many shards you get from other sources

and you know how many you need to pull for

[abstract meadow]

Builds are mainly posted here by the dalaos

[pallid cypress]

to go from S0 to SSS?

[abstract meadow]

yes

[pallid cypress]

so i would need 3 extra copies

since i would be getting shards from PPC

[abstract meadow]

Yeah considering you get 30 shards from skulls

[hearty geyser]

Gotcha ty

[upbeat phoenix]

Correct

[upbeat phoenix]

We do not know yet

[pallid cypress]

im REALLY considering getting Kamui to SSS

or at least SS3 or 5

[upbeat phoenix]

sss kamui will naturally be very strong as any SSS breaker will

never get SS5 though, its either SS3 or SSS

[abstract meadow]

Considering it's a breaker the extra qte charges are good + extra shred

But idk what sort of final numbers he will get in his kit + investment ranks

[upbeat phoenix]

Yup, wait til release

[ripe stag]

I'm hoping Kuro to not kill Kamui

Like how they semi-killed Wanshi

[simple dew]

ss5

[steady otter]

bianca killed

[ionic cedar]

wanshi has been doin work for me since rosetta joined. he finally can use dps resos

[stray siren]

SSS0 is generally the optimal for any character if you want to break into the top 10 in WZ Legend/PPC

From SS0 to SSS0 is 90 shards (3 dupes)

From SS3 to SSS0 60 shards (2 dupes)

[stray siren]

Check #1220163911723253760

[rotund cave]

Is it still worth pulling on Thunderbolt to 3S Nana?
Am I better off just grabbing SS3 Ishmael from the selector, or using selector and Thunderbolt to 3S Startrail?
https://huaxu.app/eu/players/11069262/characters

[hearty geyser]

Gotcha
Thanks

[stray siren]

Setsu's sheet probably still works for most characters before Rosetta

Although there are some new compositions like Ice with Rosetta

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t7TXDtfZdpHQy8SZAeIMpxcSi1pheSUVgDwkhicCw6s/edit?usp=drivesdk

[stray siren]

Nanami appears to be the last tank that can be replaced, since we still need a Lightning amp

I don't know if Ishmael SS3 is still viable on team Nihil tbh, it seems that Wata SSS is better if Nirv and Luna are both SSS

[rotund cave]

Luna is SS3, Nirv 3S, I don't have 3S Wata which is making me lean towards 3S Nana more

can 3S Nana even work in the same role as 3S Wata? Or is the shred uptime not good enough on Nana

[stray siren]

It should be similar, so you can try it, although I'm not entirely sure about ish SS3, It's best to wait for a Helper's response; I've been AFK from the game for almost the entire patch

@buoyant hornet Is Ish ss3 still useful in Nihil?

[fluid gulch]

Depends on invest

of the whole team

ss3 is kicked out if her teammates are 3s

[golden star]

Kuro eos wen

[deft apex]

Tomorrow

[keen ginkgo]

hello, does bath set work on ish while using luna? (for ppc obv)

[worthy widget]

If she’s not rotating in sure

[keen ginkgo]

thank you

[worthy widget]

Tb which I’m assuming ur killing is low hp

[keen ginkgo]

yeah im doing fast kill ppc boss using nirv

wait, does bath stacks with other element sets(like shakes)?

say im putting both on ish

do they stack

[worthy widget]

Not sure

In theory it should?

[keen ginkgo]

i never thought abt it

[tight pawn]

I don't think it does

[worthy widget]

Shred of diff element to 1 universal shred

[keen ginkgo]

i think 15% shred increase should be noticeable im gonna try it

[visual topaz]

reset simulator

[keen ginkgo]

yeah, its only one set at a time

[stray siren]

No

[stray siren]

4 when

[visual topaz]

can't

[worthy widget]

Just crit

[keen ginkgo]

power of bath 🛁

[stray siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304856236201607310/1486398994371444897/GIF-260325_101817.gif

[visual topaz]

alpha starts at 3.7s

[stray siren]

You have 0.2s

[visual topaz]

yes

so 5s mintime

[worthy widget]

[stray siren]

https://tenor.com/view/miyabi-miyabi-no-zenless-zenless-zone-zenless-zone-zero-gif-15834211865343519839

[worthy widget]

Mod malding in vc woah

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[sand laurel]

Karenina Fried Chicken

[stray siren]

Go and learn

[worthy widget]

Popeyes and one piece collab

[rain anchor]

So does Kamui kick out Lucia or wata? Or more testing is needed

[sand laurel]

[worthy widget]

Wait till 28th

[simple canyon]

Now that I finally got SSS Teddy, who would my best 3rd be with SSS Wanshi?

Is it still SSS R3 Lillith, or is it now SS0 R2 ayla, or SS0 R1 rosetta or someone else? And what build would I run?

[worthy widget]

Isn’t it quite obvious

Built Lilith, homeless alya, homeless rose

Teddy and wanshi goes sig Chen, Lilith goes dv guin

Smth like that

[stray siren]

If your vera or nirv are SSS 2 resos, the both have priority over Lilith

If not, so Lilith

[simple canyon]

Before SSS Teddy, I knew the QTE refresh and class resos for ATK amp buffs were strong, but now with SSS Teddy, I wasn't sure if like QTE speed of Ayla or Guin triggers or Rosetta's matrix reduction outweighed at this point. So I'll just keep the team the same as it was basically

[worthy widget]

Ss0 rose not worth 3rd slot ice

[simple canyon]

I guess needs that SSS 6pc DV before being worth flexing into other comps. Got it

[clear wing]

who to prioritize here? everyone is SS except luna, she is SS3

[worthy widget]

Nirv

She should be like 7 shards away from ss3

Then Teddy ss3

[clear wing]

both teddy and her are 7 shard from SS3

[worthy widget]

Then get both ss3

Save rest for hanying if u need

Nest update

Next

[clear wing]

oh right, will save for her then

if i wanna work on someone to SSS, who has highest prio? teddy?

[simple canyon]

Why is Nirv better than Lillith? Nirv currently 20 vouchers away from SSS, still grinding Tundra for vouchers. Guin proccs or something?

Vera SS3 so I didn't even bother mentioning

[worthy widget]

Teddy is equal to nirvatia

[clear wing]

that team is kinda cooked for me, i never built ayla and now teddy replaced qu instead of ayla

[worthy widget]

Whichever team is weaker just prio that

If ice weaker get Teddy and vice versa

[clear wing]

alright thanks

[stray siren]

Because Nirv can apply an instant ultimate, this gives you more possibilities to vary Wanshi's gameplay, and thus have a greater wave progression

[simple canyon]

Ah I see, I forgot about actually switching into that random 3rd for ice lol. Sounds good, thanks

[stray siren]

Yeah, imo for SSS teddy the priority support is:

SSS0 Honse > SS3 honse > SSS Ayla > SSS Vera > SSS Nirv > SSS whatever

[topaz vigil]

still no optimal build for Nirvatia 🫩

guys what build should i do for my SSS0 Nirvatia

[worthy widget]

What’s ur nihil invest

[buoyant hornet]

Yes unless for some reason you have like, s+ Luna and s+ nirvatia while still having ss3 ish which is an unrealistic scenario

[buoyant hornet]

She still stays

[worthy widget]

Wha

Thought 3s wata overtakes 2.3 ish in 3s

[buoyant hornet]

Luna converts any memory buff/shred to universal except for physical stuff

[buoyant hornet]

No rosetta? 😭

[buoyant hornet]

Nope

[worthy widget]

His Rosetta prolly used on dark oh wait I’m blind

[buoyant hornet]

The flock buff is still too big to ignore

[keen ginkgo]

yes its already answered xD but thank you

[buoyant hornet]

That's ephialtes 😭

[graceful summit]

@noble zinc tried both tho
Thinks wata better

If 3s luna & nirv

[buoyant hornet]

Wata might be a bit easier but its score threshold overall is worse from previous weeks' testing

It's not a major gap though iirc

333 with wata can still get upwards of 17m

[worthy widget]

U got a vid input for dark perchance

[keen ginkgo]

the -3 sec on 3s wata is sexy

[buoyant hornet]

On boss zone

[graceful summit]

Pretty sure he get better result with wata

[buoyant hornet]

Sure but flock buff is huge too + ishmael ss3 onfield damage isn't bad enough to make her obsolete

[graceful summit]

The thing using Ishmael here would make nirvatia a support

And she's too strong to be wasted as support

[buoyant hornet]

Maybe more testing is needed but afaik sss wata wasn't yet able to beat a fully optimized ss3 ish run

[buoyant hornet]

I'll find anyone with sss luna sss netia and ss3 ishmael to compare test this week probably

[graceful summit]

Also idt ish comp ever reach 17m iirc

[buoyant hornet]

Previous testing was only on boss legend zone iirc

[buoyant hornet]

I'll double check

[ionic cedar]

void is in an awkward state where technically nirvatia should be the teams lead dps with someone else supporting. but ishmael is still the best sub dps at equal investment and abuses luna qte. luna cannot hold dv.

[keen ginkgo]

it is the weirdest state indeed xdd

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah lowkey Luna's qte nuke is kinda cancerous to the team's flexibility

And ishmael not having a qte field lmao

[ionic cedar]

ishmael would have to become the worst member by far, which means luna needs to be replaced. even then theres no guarantee that would switch nirvatia off support memories.

especially because nirvatia is very powerful with or without her signature memories.

she has the same flexibility as geiravor

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah she can basically run the same build as geiravor lol

But when testing ss3 Ishmael I wonder if it'll be better to run 4ele ish and do 2 rot instead of 3

[ionic cedar]

fires comp may change next patch, vera may be holding dv with kamui

[buoyant hornet]

Even at 333 invest this actually works and I imagine there's even more reason to do it when ishmael is lower

[buoyant hornet]

High invest only

Lower invests will just run dv wata

But idk what vera will run atp since kamui carries shakes

Prolly 4cot 2guin 2darwin or something of the sort

[ionic cedar]

is this the projected case for 333 fire?

[buoyant hornet]

4guin can work but its cooldown is egregious for a team with such little timestop

[rotund fox]

I can confirm that Vera is flexible

[ionic cedar]

[buoyant hornet]

333 fire's latest best runs were dv cot guin vera double rot + lucia 1eclipse + kamui double rot

Lucia is basically just the cooldown filler + off field dmg lol

[ionic cedar]

goodbye lucia

i never liked playing your new s rank frame anyway

[buoyant hornet]

Your Lucia ss0-ss3?

[ionic cedar]

sss

[buoyant hornet]

You'll still need her I fear

But it'll just be the fastest possible eclipse rot lol

[keen ginkgo]

ngl even ss3 is pain to play

[ionic cedar]

[buoyant hornet]

I genuinely think she's fun but her dmg really aged

Her ONLY strong move is eclipse and her sword waves aren't always reliable

[ionic cedar]

a leap would help but overall shes a little cooked i fear

[buoyant hornet]

Slash ult is too weak and she also takes forever to set up any real damaging moves

[buoyant hornet]

Honestly a leap could easily make her top tier if done right

[ionic cedar]

it would also herald her demise, as leaped units have long been signs for an upcoming replacement

[buoyant hornet]

She needs a bunch more dmg buffs to her kit including things like red orb and hold basic

Probably dimension slash too should be doing way more

[keen ginkgo]

it was really fun, but now it feels like im struggling, i kid you not even wata feels smoother xD

[buoyant hornet]

And then there's scire

[ionic cedar]

we dont talk about her

shes not here

[buoyant hornet]

THE meta tyrant

[ionic cedar]

she is finally laid to rest

[buoyant hornet]

Idc how messed up some aspects of rosetta are

All I care is she kicked out schitre

[ionic cedar]

real

plus i hate playing sss bianca, shes obnoxious lmao

rosetta coming out and mogging her was very funny

balance is cooked tho rip

[keen ginkgo]

it ironic how rosetta had longest time of service at one point and now she back to replaced daren thats also old

[buoyant hornet]

She saw daren exceeding rigor's meta span and said "not on MY watch"

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah I agree I stay away from high invest dark tbh lol

Bianca's kit is flaming garbage

[keen ginkgo]

and here i thought i was the only one hating it

[ionic cedar]

the 4-5x ult spam (4 is easier, 5 is diabolical) just is very tiring to do for 5-6min in wz

[keen ginkgo]

yeah some kits starts as fun, but then later they becomes tiring

[ionic cedar]

im not saying the rotation needs to be a complete walk in the park but like its either do this high apm maneuver for 5-6min consecutively, and if you mess up once its a restart 💀

[graceful summit]

Was tiring

Now 5ult not that hard

After the change

[ionic cedar]

its more the repetition

shes competing with ishmael for inputing the konami code for dps

[upbeat phoenix]

watanabe epitaph

[ionic cedar]

bianca stigmata

[upbeat phoenix]

luna oblivion

crimson abyss

technically she still hasnt been replaced after her leap came out

can't be replaced if you were useless from the start

[stray siren]

My daren still meta frfr

[buoyant hornet]

Your name will be mentioned to my (nonexistent) therapist after showing me this 😔

[stray siren]

[buoyant hornet]

Tbf she's objectively useful in ppc at your invest at least lol

That edr shred >>

[stray siren]

Yeah a shame i don't play ppc anymore

[buoyant hornet]

Even though I still enjoy PPC I kinda feel like it gets neutered at high invest at least outside of ib

Also I get really frustrated when facing a run with input speeds I can't replicate lol

@true pivot what's your void invest?

[ashen parcel]

Cant say PPC without Pee Pee

[sour silo]

I did 6 ult as an ender

I dont like phantom pain cage

[heavy marlin]

Build for sss nirvatia i have ss3 luna and ish

[worthy widget]

2.32.33 not tested yet I think

Unless nuke did already not sure

[pulsar estuary]

You go test it

Become the reference

[visual wind]

Should i build pyroath? Im thinking to ss3 her from standard

[hazy iron]

i heard kamui will have the same effects as pyroath but stronger

[radiant panther]

How much Hypertune crystals do you need to hypertune a memory builds?

[rose yew]

12800 iirc

I assume you mean full 6 mem

[carmine roost]

980 blue 160 orange per memory

[radiant panther]

Aight

[ripe stag]

Well from the looks of it yes

[stray siren]

Personally, I feel that PPC is still a fun game mode.

But I liked it more when there were 50-70 players malding it in NA

[rough mica]

quaso

[pulsar estuary]

Join Sea

[stray siren]

No, Pyro SS/SS3 is very likely to be replaced by Kamui

Although Kamui is a breaker, he has much better DPS than Pyro

So if your Kamui is SS/SS3 it's probably best to replace Pyro and continue using Wata SSS as tank, since Wata SSS shred > Kamui SS0/SS3. Shred

[stray siren]

Some day

[rough mica]

those mf in sea all malding ppc nowadays

i blame windbell

[rough mica]

and mald wz cuz nuke

i blame nuke017

[stray siren]

The only sss0> players malding in NA are Claire and Veri

The only player malding SSS0 WZ in NA is Ulti

[rough mica]

[stray siren]

Sol and Sweetmilk to but at SSS+ level, so nope, I'm not going in there

[radiant panther]

How about my SS7 Pyro, my weird invested construct?

[sly geyser]

ditched

[pulsar estuary]

Thats oddly specific

[radiant panther]

[barren plank]

Meanwhile IB is the opposite, neutered everyone who isn't a whale

[sly geyser]

ss7 and ss3 are basically the same lel

[noble zinc]

We cope for leap

[sly geyser]

nah leap not happening anytime soon

[sand laurel]

let daren and pyroom fight in the same grave

[stray siren]

If you can sss her, go ahead

[sand laurel]

how did that cursed SS7 even happened?

[rough mica]

ss3 and get 1 from free selector

[sand laurel]

ok but was there no other plan after that? thats what Im asking

[rough mica]

well

waiting for standard banner reset

[sand laurel]

ok but pyro probably ded by that time

[rough mica]

im in the same situation

but with ish

[sand laurel]

[rough mica]

[noble zinc]

plae long get lucky mine at ss6 smthing too

[sand laurel]

my pyro at ss0, cant wait to dump her

[noble zinc]

🧱

[rough mica]

[noble zinc]

SS0/ss3 washed

every chr

[sand laurel]

remember the times when ss0 rank was so comfy

[noble zinc]

Qu wasn't