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[nova marten]

[gray totem]

13m solo nanami

[rose yew]

R2 doable tho

[nova marten]

I think it is possible if u use SS3 Liv as QTE slave right

For Lightning

[buoyant hornet]

Nanami on boss zones was literally like, 7-8.5m LMAO

The 13m sounded very outlandish

[nova marten]

Surely everyone has Liv SS3 right

[buoyant hornet]

I've played sss solo on boss zones before the score was far lower than 13m that's for sure lmaooo

[nova marten]

[buoyant hornet]

Now that's not something I thought of but actually maybe

Although why would you not just swap her atp

[nova marten]

Also need SSS Amp may be

[buoyant hornet]

She's already stronger than sss nana lol

[nova marten]

If someone hate Liv enough may be

[buoyant hornet]

SSS gen2 amp wouldn't really do that much for solo play tbh

gen2 sss was only great for swap plays

[nova marten]

Well, more buffs may be can do something

Solo gameplay always cope

[buoyant hornet]

I mean it's only for 10s of the entire 2m run, it can improve some early breakpoints but that's about it

[sick flower]

can kuro convert limpidity to permanent already

[buoyant hornet]

Lilith/teddy are better for solo nana for that reason

[nova marten]

To use Liv as a QTE slave u have to use Light Amp

[buoyant hornet]

with oblivion ofc*

[nova marten]

So there's no other way

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah that's probably a worthy tradeoff

Although once again there's zero reason not to swap with her at this point lol

Having a sss feral/ish would only be even more reason to swap

It's a fun concept to think about though

[nova marten]

Anyway, Liv hater should probably just wait for a Light Amp who will inevitably be better than Nanami

[buoyant hornet]

I'm actually looking to test that but with dark

Bianca qte bot, rose+lilith dps

[nova marten]

Then they can double Amp strat

[buoyant hornet]

Or at least bianca could just do 1 fast ult every swap or something

We'll cook that up in due time, the question is whether it'd be better than just going bianca-rose dps duo

[buoyant hornet]

We can only hope that amp will be good

Teddy being broken is a really refreshing change after a certain amplifier happened

Let's hope they keep it up

[buoyant hornet]

It'd be funny if a new amp ends up kicking ss0 liv from warzone lol

I feel like they'll intentionally nerf that amp to prevent this

SS0 limp isn't even weak tbh so it's difficult for that to happen unless they HEAVILY overtune the amp

[nova marten]

For sure they will

[buoyant hornet]

Veronica 2.0 incoming

[nova marten]

Their first limited unit cannot be worse

[buoyant hornet]

Will make glacio broken or something but their main ele will be glorified qte bot

[nova marten]

And definitely not free

Free = better than SS Attacker

[sick flower]

a lightning amplifier for sure will be weak

[buoyant hornet]

Liv was genuinely the worst decision they ever made on many fronts tbh

Intentionally making her ss0 so much worse than ss3 while also keeping her limited

So that we can't just dupe her from blue banner

[nova marten]

It's also a half ass limited banner type because tf they mean Teddy and Ros are also Tree frame but not in the same banner

[sick flower]

kuro has to start balance changing on old units

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah def don't think they'll be free

[nova marten]

Either make them all Tree banner or none(better)

[buoyant hornet]

Free tanks are a rarity (literally only wanshi lmao) but maybe we can get a free breaker someday

So that we can ALL suffer from qte slop instead of only whales

[buoyant hornet]

I wish

[sick flower]

is that a bad choice

would the community be mad over it?

[buoyant hornet]

I suspect alpha will be phylotrash

For the hype + FOMO

[sick flower]

she cant be

[buoyant hornet]

I swear if they don't make her broken at ss0

[buoyant hornet]

I sure hope it's not kamui

[sick flower]

they will make alpha weak

kamui can be but he wont be

[nova marten]

I'll do you one better
New Tree banner separate from regular Tree

Kusogames made this Phylotree based on the Tree of Life, which also has the Tree of Death

[buoyant hornet]

They've already rarely touched older characters, the only notable "buffs" they've given characters outside of leaps is:

• Empyrea and capri getting timestop on mech patch
• Capri getting LITERALLY 4 different fix-buff changes across several patches
• Pianissimo 2pc burana "buff" which is largely useless so far

[nova marten]

Nothing can stop them from making another Phylotree banner

[sick flower]

we need a nerf to majority of gen 3 amplifiers and buff gen 3 attackers

[buoyant hornet]

ah yes we'll have phylotree banner and phylofungus banner

[nova marten]

When it happens, call me a prophet

[plain oyster]

Nerf is not a thing

[buoyant hornet]

nerfing is out of the question

[sick flower]

we NEED to balance stuff out

[buoyant hornet]

I'll never be the real solution to a problem but that aside, people pay for these characters

[rose yew]

Do we

[gray totem]

they need to buff 3rd gen amps and remove 3rd gen attackers

[jolly patrol]

Gacha game no balance

[buoyant hornet]

It's generally considered a horrible idea for them to get nerfed after people sink however much money they did into them

[sick flower]

if so

[buoyant hornet]

What they DO need to do more is buffs

[rose yew]

Welcome to gacha

[buoyant hornet]

Buff veronica, buff ss0 liv

[sick flower]

we need to buff the other units

[buoyant hornet]

Veronica needs capriccio treatment BADLY

[sick flower]

was it always like this

[buoyant hornet]

yeah

[sick flower]

were healers better than tanks which are better than attackers?

[buoyant hornet]

Phylofungus banner 25k bc for pity + 0.000001% chance to get early pull trust

[sick flower]

im sure it was attacker > tank > healer

did it break with amplifiers

[buoyant hornet]

PGR's history with roles is...funny

Supports were generally just A ranks

Until luminance

Who was useless until she got a leap multiple years later

[nova marten]

Amp and Tank had big power boost with gen 3

[buoyant hornet]

And most tanks were A rank until they got S rank substitutes

[sick flower]

gen 1 units and them being useless without leap

classic

[nova marten]

Gen 1 was bad, terrible
Gen 2 was still balance, usually weaker than Attackers

[buoyant hornet]

With Rosetta and Garnet we already saw the problem with attackers, because rose and garnet were literally more important than their paired attackers

[sick flower]

rosetta was better dps than ca? no way

[buoyant hornet]

Because even though crimson abyss did a bit more dmg than rose, and veritas swap with garnet was the better way to play lightning

[nova marten]

Oh yeah Ros and Garnet were better

[buoyant hornet]

It was clear that rose and garnet did enough dmg of their own while having utilities that attackers lack

[buoyant hornet]

I can't remember if rose was semi-equal or if she was stronger than ca

[gray totem]

alpha was a fraud even back then

[buoyant hornet]

But either way she was mad strong

[nova marten]

Ros one shot Alpha

[buoyant hornet]

Alpha also had more issues with her kit i.e hitboxes and rng

[nova marten]

We didn't fight Alpha with Alpha

[sick flower]

so

[buoyant hornet]

Rose gather on blue orb and railgun weren't the norm back then

[sick flower]

kuro kept buffing healers and tanks

but leave attackers as they are?

[buoyant hornet]

So rose was just generally better at crowd control

[buoyant hornet]

I mean the stage debuff literally wants you to use rose so yeah lol

[nova marten]

Attacker did get a buff with Liv

[buoyant hornet]

Even if rose was equal or slightly weaker than CA, she's still be better in that boss

[nova marten]

Oh me completely forgot that

[sick flower]

not even close to being enough

[nova marten]

Alpha will come with a new Attacker replacement

It's so obvious

[jolly patrol]

Outdated

Breaker era

[sour silo]

Free Ice attacker

[nova marten]

New class Destroyer

[sick flower]

shut up milk

[jolly patrol]

[nova marten]

Has nuke QTE by default, intro and outro deal dmg

[rose yew]

It’s breaker, tank/support, and amp now

[nova marten]

0s kill strat anyone?

[rose yew]

Ain’t no space for attacker that give absolutely no effect to the team

[sour silo]

[jolly patrol]

Alpha first male frame

[true pivot]

its actually possible to do a cutscene skip in ppc

[jolly patrol]

[sick flower]

@buoyant hornet if the attacker mediocre performance problem started happening in gen 1 why didnt we ever get any type of buff to attackers? why are we making a tank requiem class instead of doing it for attacker?

[sour silo]

New dark gonna be ss/ss3 ros 3s wata and lilick

Or another amp

[nova marten]

New Attacker will deal dmg as soon as the boss appears so they would die the moment they finish their cutscene

[buoyant hornet]

I wish I could give you a full history rundown on which classes were good and which weren't, but that'd be a full documentary so let me summarize

• Attackers, class that only and ONLY does damage. Supposedly higher base values than other classes
• Almost all supports were A ranks, so naturally their dps was extremely small
• Tanks did a BIT less than attackers, but had shred and crowd control that attackers lacked

Once an attacker starts getting matched in DPS by a tank due to gradual powercreep, they naturally lose importance due to lack of further utility to provide the team

[nova marten]

[sick flower]

does wata even work

[sour silo]

-3s sec switch

[buoyant hornet]

Amplifiers were the new generation and did much more damage than gen1 units, including attackers

Tanks would also eventually outdps attackers naturally as time goes

[jolly patrol]

Observer Annihilator Breaker squad era

[sick flower]

why didnt they ever find a way to make attacker class good

[jolly patrol]

Tanks Amp Attacker are unc words

[plain oyster]

Your unc

[sick flower]

they make a class solely for damage, they make a class solely for support have as much, if not, more damage than it

[jolly patrol]

My unc

[buoyant hornet]

So the solution? Give attackers more utility in the form of off field damage

It started with hyperreal, he would proc support shots while other units are onfield

Lamia's 4pc mem set caused her to contribute off field dmg whenever teammates used ults, but that damage was still not good enough

So that stuff isn't good enough. What's next? QTE nukes

But they had the brilliant idea of locking that to SS3

Which means ss0 attackers STILL suffer the fundamental problems of before

[sick flower]

thats NOT enough to make any difference 🥀

[nova marten]

Even a QTE nuke by default would make them worth using already

[sick flower]

neither is that enough to make the attacker class good

[nova marten]

Midianca one of the worst attacker, is still worth using with SSS Lilick if u got her SS3

[buoyant hornet]

They probably don't tend to buff older units so that they can have more room for an objectively better replacement later on, but that only made sense when the game was new and kuro didn't know what teams would look like

[sick flower]

you mean worth using by keeping them in the team

[buoyant hornet]

The qte nuke IS good

Very good even, but locking it behind a paid rank is bogus

[nova marten]

Better QTE slave than to be out of the team

Atleast u know they can contribute something

[sick flower]

so attacker is a class that does good damage on qte and amplifier is the class that deals the best damage in the team

[nova marten]

There are many fast kill strat with SS3 QTE

[buoyant hornet]

SS3 luna is so good because of qte nuke after getting leaped, before ss3 luna was considered kinda garbage

All it did was 20% extra base dmg on her ult which is cute but like

come on now lol

[sour silo]

Luna leaped outdps pyroath

[sick flower]

doesnt leaped luna have the highest burst

[nova marten]

New Attacker class will just appear on the field when u trigger their QTE, then do one Ult

[buoyant hornet]

I was excited when I saw she was getting leap but I feared it'd be underwhelming, instead she's now in the running for outdpsing ishmael at equal invest lmfao

Funny

[buoyant hornet]

Her burst is insane yeah

[nova marten]

Loona got one of the best leap of this era

[jolly patrol]

Cursed Waves bonds builds soon

[sour silo]

The weakest gen 3 attacker becomes the strongest

[nova marten]

It's actually insane

[buoyant hornet]

Is that not just limpidity lol

[sick flower]

we are sure new attackers wont be anything close to that right?

[nova marten]

Yes but not locked at SS3-SSS

[buoyant hornet]

Liv burst is also insane but she's a much newer unit than luna so that's to be expected

[nova marten]

Limp got QTE timestop locked at SSS

[sour silo]

What

[buoyant hornet]

Nope her qte timestops regardless

[sick flower]

i actually love the idea of giving attackers other stuff to help them

[nova marten]

That's how u save Attacker class

[buoyant hornet]

Her core is what gets timestopped

at sss

[sick flower]

tlc on moves is a genius idea

[nova marten]

Oh really

I only have her at SSS so idk

Lol

[buoyant hornet]

QTE nuke is the answer but it needs to be normalized as an SS0 passive

Rather than ss3

[nova marten]

Exactly

[sick flower]

man

[buoyant hornet]

I think they'll eventually do that and instead create some other bogus ss3 passive to give people reason to spend

But I hoped liv would be the start of that ss0 nuke

[sick flower]

you want to turn attackers into somewhat a support

[nova marten]

The SS3 gatekeep was the worst decision from Kusogames

[buoyant hornet]

She wasn't

[nova marten]

"Game is F2P friendly" but if not SS3 they're bricked what the shjt

[buoyant hornet]

It's basically the equivalent of locking an amplifier's class passive to ss3 lmao

[jolly patrol]

Game already dying and u want better f2p support

[buoyant hornet]

Or locking their qte buff to ss3

[sick flower]

making them only good for dealing qte damage is turning them into a support for the actual supports (amplifier/breaker)

[nova marten]

[nova marten]

Its gonna EoS soon anyway might as well dying with a good face

[buoyant hornet]

It's better than nothing though

They can probably come up with other ideas but this one makes the most sense for attackers

[sick flower]

which moves of limpidity have tlc?

[jolly patrol]

People need Augustina summer skins

[buoyant hornet]

Special qte thingy, ult 1 and ult2

At sss her hold basic also gets tlc

[nova marten]

Attacker also need to do one Ult before their QTE nuke so not like they'll never see the field or anything

[sick flower]

yeah, wouldnt normalizing tlc on moves be enough to make attackers good?

[nova marten]

Just make them fast as fck and has nuke QTE by default

So ez done Kusogames just don't wanna let us do it

[buoyant hornet]

Only problem is in liv's case it's just a sss bait

It's not built into the kit

[nova marten]

Cause Attacker is their cash cow class

[solemn berry]

Tlc what moves

[nova marten]

Notice how only Attackers have ever gotten 17k5 BC skin

[buoyant hornet]

It's not the first time a unit had tlc on a non-ult move anyway

[sick flower]

imagine alpha has built in tlc on her core passive and qte

[buoyant hornet]

It IS the first time it was added to a non-ult move that does major damage

All previous cases it was added to moves that contributed little or no damage, to save time

[sick flower]

@buoyant hornet alpha will for sure have the stuff limpidity has right? would she see any use if not?

[buoyant hornet]

Stigmata finger snap matrix, kaleido ult1 field proc animation, qu staircase formation animation

[sick flower]

qu staircase doesnt have tlc

[buoyant hornet]

We don't know she'll probably be similar unless kuro decides to make her the first attacker with ss0 qte nuke

[buoyant hornet]

The animation where she creates the staircase does

Not the walking part

[sick flower]

i mean if she doesnt have the limpidity qte mechanic and tlc on ba would she see any use

[buoyant hornet]

Depends

There's too many factors to consider

[sick flower]

considering she is ice attacker

[buoyant hornet]

Well if we assume she's ice then she'll absolutely have to be broken at ss0 to be worth

[sick flower]

they wont make her out damage teddy thats for sure

[buoyant hornet]

Because she's paired with wanshi and teddy who are both free characters

[solemn berry]

Unc I need confirmation

[buoyant hornet]

Even good f2p accounts have sss on them both by now

If you wanna add an attacker that survives in their team, you'd have to either make her dmg insanely overtuned or give her qte nuke at ss0

Wanshi is already really strong, teddy is even more strong

[buoyant hornet]

yes pookie

[buoyant hornet]

QTE nuke or death

[solemn berry]

Nvm milk trolling me

[sick flower]

genuinely block him

he often trolls newbies i need to tell them the otherwise thats why i dont block milk

[solemn berry]

Yeah I can't just block him if he keeps doing that

I have to change my name

[sick flower]

he tells newbies that cw is meta etc

[solemn berry]

Can we not get this dude banned from the help channels?

[sick flower]

doubt someone would do that

[barren plank]

Who tf is milk

[sick flower]

someones alt but we dont know who

[solemn berry]

Just a troll on an alt

[sick flower]

he pisses me off

[barren plank]

There's like

10 milks

Which

[solemn berry]

@jolly patrol

[sick flower]

arent you two like

close with riley

tell him about that guy

get him away from these channels

[solemn berry]

I don't care if he sees it

[barren plank]

Anyways

[jolly patrol]

What did I di

[barren plank]

Idk I just got here

[solemn berry]

We legit need to ban you from the help channels

[barren plank]

Helpers can't do anything themselves

[solemn berry]

Need mods

Smh

[barren plank]

If enough people helpers and not complain then the mods can resrict a person from channels

[jolly patrol]

Give me Helper role im actually making sense

[barren plank]

That's how Extaria got banned from meta help

[plain oyster]

[nova marten]

Exta genuinely thought he was right

Milk man is just baiting

[plain oyster]

Its right to recommend sss donte

[nova marten]

Technically he's a decent pull for non-SS3 Pyrowashed-havers right

[plain oyster]

[nova marten]

Release Extaria

[barren plank]

Extaria is barely active anymore anyways so who cares

[jolly patrol]

He probably did nothing wrong

[barren plank]

He definitely did

[jolly patrol]

He's at Natlan now he ascended maybe

[barren plank]

He would not be banned from this channel if he didn't

[jolly patrol]

I dont break rules, im afraid

[barren plank]

Even with only SS Pyroath

SSS Dante was not worth the cost to replace her

[sick flower]

some newbies are just

weird

[nova marten]

It might be more accurated for me to say "If people don't have Pyro"

He's actually a decent pull in that case

[barren plank]

I guess but u dont need SSS

[nova marten]

And now that Plasma is wahed completely....

[barren plank]

Ok um

[nova marten]

May be Extarilao was right all along

[barren plank]

Plasma being washed

[nova marten]

[barren plank]

Is exaggerated

Radiance > ion at equal invest

But SS0 Pyroath vs Crepe the difference really is not that far off

[solemn berry]

I think raydianca is

[plain oyster]

I pulled donte because of that reason but i really regret it that i created a new account

[solemn berry]

2.32.32.3 111

[sick flower]

kamui will save plasma

KAMUI WILL SAVE PLASMA

[solemn berry]

And my ion is 2.32.33 113

But nanami will be sss soon

[nova marten]

Gaydiance defo stronger now, enough to justify not investing in Pyro at all

[barren plank]

Your radiance?

[buoyant hornet]

We haven't had any testing with 223 or 22.13 yet though no?

[solemn berry]

Si

[barren plank]

Yea Rad is def better

[solemn berry]

Fck

In ion zones right

[barren plank]

I dont think so tho admittedly

[buoyant hornet]

I'll test it on fabio's the next time ion zone rolls around

[barren plank]

Im just going off SS0 Crepe being sht

[sick flower]

raydiance unfortunately can use plasma buff

they really wanted raydiance to replace plasma beam

[buoyant hornet]

The only difference between ss0 and ss3 crepe in ray is the special orb

Which IS a big dmg difference but not like

Fundamentally altering how good she is

[barren plank]

It helps a lot with energy as well though

[sick flower]

ah that orb thing comes at ss3

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah just gotta use cottie for that, it's a buff loss but nothing damning

[sick flower]

should i go for 70% banner if she comes there?

[buoyant hornet]

yeah

[barren plank]

No

[buoyant hornet]

no never use that banner unless you're a gambling whale

[barren plank]

Arrival is usually almost never worth it

[solemn berry]

What is raydiance build again

[barren plank]

4Jeanne 2Cottie 2Wilde

[true pivot]

ion is better than raydiance frfr

[sick flower]

the last time (i only used it once) i got ss3 pianissimo

[sick flower]

when we get kamui it will be

BUT KAMUI IS IN 2 AND A HALF MONTHS 😭😭😭😭

[nova marten]

Man Pyro wedding skin gotta be my worst invest of all time

[barren plank]

Ngl Im starting to have doubts if Kamui will be ion

[sick flower]

why

[nova marten]

But I just couldn't stand the ugly base skin

[solemn berry]

Glacio kamui

Get rid of alisa

[barren plank]

Because of fcking Radiance

And Solon shilling Bianca cause waifu

[barren plank]

I have a feeling they might do like phys darkflow

[nova marten]

I told people Kamui could be a Light Glacio Amp
They called me a mad man

[true pivot]

her other coating that has her wear her dead coating does look better

[barren plank]

for like

[sick flower]

raydiance is exactly why kamui will be plasma

[barren plank]

Kamui Camu

[solemn berry]

Omg Camui fusion

[buoyant hornet]

for ss3+ bianca she can run darwin wilde

[nova marten]

Should've been her base skin, tbh

We were robbed out of peak

[barren plank]

Oh what?

I thought she was bound to Cottie at all ranks

[buoyant hornet]

He'll probably reference him at least

[true pivot]

asimov probably was like "lucia we need you to continue the skk bloodline so im giving you this midriff coating to seduce the skk"

[solemn berry]

The true reason for fanservice

[sick flower]

@barren plank raydiance replaced plasma by having 2 members, why do you think instead of making both plasma and raydiance their own teams, they will make raydiance completely erase plasma beam?

[buoyant hornet]

nope people found that her orb ping before ults + the energy from the special orb are enough to compensate

[nova marten]

They could've make that coating naked and paid
Ppl would defo buy it

[buoyant hornet]

Not tied to cottie anymore after that

[barren plank]

Because Bianca is solon's waifu

Bianca herself was wedged into the meta from fcking nowhere

And they made an entirely new affix for her ass

[nova marten]

Bonca was truly the great disaster of balance

[barren plank]

And now an enabler

[buoyant hornet]

Because it's kuro and they're clowns

[true pivot]

i blame watanabe

[barren plank]

Exactly that

[nova marten]

Trash at SS, too broken at SSS

[true pivot]

he started this mess

[buoyant hornet]

They're doing literally ANYTHING lately

[nova marten]

Gen 3 was the start of disaster

[barren plank]

Wata was just really crazy powercreep

The real problems started a little later with Luna

[buoyant hornet]

Literally lmfao not a single good aspect about her balancing

[nova marten]

Wata killing Mech was nonsense

[sick flower]

oh i forgot to mention

[nova marten]

Could've totally given her a leap but lazy ass mfs

[sick flower]

@buoyant hornet kuro made another step at completely killing attackers, they used to be the executioner for affixes, now other classes can be executioner as well

[solemn berry]

The true meta is without attackers

KAA

[nova marten]

Tbh I've always hated Attackers since gen 2

[barren plank]

He was fine at SS

[nova marten]

So while the current era is a mess, atleast Amp and Tank are capable enough

[sick flower]

if kuro doesnt make limpidity stuff standard for all attackers

[nova marten]

I was talking about Bonca

[sick flower]

attackers will genuinely be the healer of gen 3

[barren plank]

Oh lol

[nova marten]

Wata was broken for his time no doubt

[barren plank]

As for not leaping Mech

[nova marten]

Everytime we got a new gen tank, something big happened

[barren plank]

They didn't start making leaps for meta characters until later

[true pivot]

another mistake was making bianca an attacker

[barren plank]

And they usually did it for the oldest characters

[sick flower]

attackers have low damage
attackers cant shred
attackers cant debuff
attackers cant buff
attackers cant stack affix
attackers cant heal

if limpidity is not the new standard attackers are DEAD

[barren plank]

*Crepe can stack affix

[sick flower]

kuro started replacing attackers on affixes

attackers are DEAD

[sick flower]

as always crepuscule is an exception

[barren plank]

Technially Pyroath and Selena can build affix gague too

Just that they are horribly slow at doing so

[sick flower]

pyroath can, yata is way better at stacking glaciation than selena

[distant wren]

you mean making leaps for only meta and only them alone? yea

[barren plank]

Yes

There was a leap before Empyrea that was the first meta but I can't remember who

[distant wren]

garnet

[barren plank]

Oh yea

Actually that was Qu patch no?

[distant wren]

yep

[barren plank]

Not far off from Wata

But I guess they only wanted to leap the oldest characters first

[distant wren]

they did leap for meta units before with lumi+rigor, but they were just among many other non-meta/A ranks

[barren plank]

Oh wait

I completely forgot Lumi and Rigor

Lmfao

[distant wren]

dude

[nova marten]

Back when they actually made leap for fun and meta

[distant wren]

that's why i said "only them alone"

[barren plank]

Idk I just completely fogot about those two

Me stupid

[sick flower]

dawn

[barren plank]

Too bad

[nova marten]

Now it's only meta and still took them 1000 years to make one

[barren plank]

That's why I am no longer helper

[sick flower]

or palefire

these 2 are the oldest with leap

[nova marten]

Like, Hanging could really use a leap rn

[distant wren]

but yes garnet leap onwards has been strictly meta only

[barren plank]

I meant the meta leaps

Although Palefire leap technically made him meta

[nova marten]

Loona leap was really really good, making her better and more fun

[sick flower]

rosetta rigor

[buoyant hornet]

Lmao yeah that too

[barren plank]

I meant when they started to make leaps only for meta units

[distant wren]

better yes, more fun no

for me

[barren plank]

Usually they skip a few characters before leaping them

[nova marten]

Doubt we would see a leap as good as Luna again because Kusogames are known for shutting down anything we consider good

[barren plank]

Luna was the last one

[distant wren]

pre leap luna was more fun for me

[barren plank]

Next S-rank right after Luna is Solacetune

Solacetune is probably gonna get skipped

[sick flower]

i can understand the luna leap being stupid op

[nova marten]

Leap Loona get to use all her Ult, has more than just dodge cancel

[sick flower]

its an ANNIHILATOR

[distant wren]

dodge cancel is fun

[nova marten]

I hate dodge cancel

[sick flower]

this sht is MADE to be broken

[nova marten]

[distant wren]

better than pressing buttons in sequence over and over

[barren plank]

No it's just Luna being horribly behind

All the other attackers

[sick flower]

isnt she the best attacker

[nova marten]

Real terrible experience on mobile

[distant wren]

just play pc smh

[barren plank]

She was the worst before leap

[distant wren]

CLUELESS

[barren plank]

Now she's on par with everyone else

[nova marten]

[sick flower]

i mean

[nova marten]

PC game fr fr

[sick flower]

my luna deals WAAAAYYYY higher damage than all my gen 3 units

[barren plank]

With leap

Before that she was really lagging behind

[nova marten]

She was literally gen 2 tier before leap, like Qu tier

[barren plank]

Even Qu was better than her tbh

[nova marten]

I don't even consider Luna a gen 3 until her leap tbh

Everything about her is gen 2 except the affix and even that's a fraud affix

[barren plank]

Remember kids

Affixes were garbage mechanics added to make a really piss poor excuse to give Luna a unique mechanic to prevent her being considered "skippabke"

[nova marten]

Kill Affix

[barren plank]

Affixes are what ruined the game

Sure they make powercreep less bad but they also screwed up so much else

[formal elbow]

Trying to increase my score in current war zone, did full rotations my score is insanely low, both are using signatures, I asked in general both build are kinda meh, any tips?

[wanton hatch]

Heisen instead of Natasha
Cottie+Eins for 2s nanaknight right?

[barren plank]

Yes Cottie Eins

[wanton hatch]

https://youtu.be/60PG77MP33A?si=IjRN0yp6Ae5eTKVS

Copy homework

oh Yomm here

[true pivot]

orb weaving was the bane of my existence because i didnt know how it worked

[nova marten]

Clear Sequence Patch too

[true pivot]

who this noob

[wanton hatch]

[barren plank]

Sequence patch requires 6 full HTed characters tho, I doubt he has that yet

[nova marten]

The more dmg he can get the better

[solemn berry]

What rot is best for my lightning if I'm 22.32 113 (ish amp)

[true pivot]

double long liv iirc

[solemn berry]

I've done the 3rot nanami and the 2rot nanami and it feels the same

I got a 5000 score increase on 3rot nanami

Cause my scores feel so sht

6.2m and 5.9m on non entropic and entropic respectively

[formal elbow]

well, if I try to follow Gray Raven "pain cage" build, that means, all my build is wrong

[solemn berry]

Yeahh that's

Not good

[formal elbow]

Uhmm

[solemn berry]

Also the video he sent was ss3 liv

If it had to be mentioned then he's probably using an ss3 rotation

Unless you have ss3 yourself?

[formal elbow]

Ss0

[solemn berry]

Okay what about weapon resonances

Does liv have r1?

[formal elbow]

No

[solemn berry]

Atleast r0 is okay I guess

But sp delays will have some serious consequences

If you fail them

[nova marten]

R0 must do double full ult rot otherwise no orbs

[formal elbow]

Ahhhh, it's gonna take long~~ time to rebuild all my units

[solemn berry]

Lemme link rydle vid

[distant wren]

wtf

why link fraud vid

[true pivot]

dalao vid not fraud vid

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1462355475294195813.png?size=160

[solemn berry]

https://youtu.be/ltSfMwiKvWc?si=zy1WtVcVqA-wvPK_&t=97s

You can follow that easy rotation

Or you can do the ones with sp delay

[true pivot]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1452608951618244712.png?size=160

[distant wren]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1452608951618244712.png?size=160

[solemn berry]

Also how many times can you fail sp delay without dlt before your liv is fkced

Just once?

[distant wren]

i don't remember but it's best to keep track of your orbs

[solemn berry]

I should have like 9 right

[steady otter]

we have this button now

[mighty tusk]

that I'm never gonna use

[barren plank]

That's been there for like months now

Tech companies trying not to make garbage UI updates and useless features:

https://tenor.com/view/try-not-to-challenge-meme-blank-template-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-meme-patrick-star-gif-26628823

[steady otter]

oh

hahaha

[noble zinc]

fix things need
222 112 s cubs I got like 6.4 one tap

2.3 nana 700k min up it goes

[plain oyster]

[solemn berry]

What's the rot

2 long ult liv and 3rot nanameme?

[true pivot]

sp delay time

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1434543670299988039.png?size=160

[solemn berry]

I physically cannot do it consistently

It's not even a skill issue is the worst part

My phone is just so slow

[pseudo flax]

Guys i got some questions. Which memory for Vera : Geiravor Frame build?

[solemn berry]

What's your investment on her and her teammates

And I mean what rank and what weapon resonances they have if any

If SS0R1 with teammates at atleast ss0 (watanabe with signature weapon) she can run 4shakespeare4cottie

[pseudo flax]

To be honest i want her as DPS For now but i only have 5 star weapon.

[solemn berry]

Watanabe with signature weapon is needed here since he needs it to run 4alphonse and 4davinci

[solemn berry]

What about her teammate

Ok nvm just give me your user id I'll check it out for you

[pseudo flax]

Ok lemme get huaxu ID.

[pseudo flax]

https://huaxu.app/ap/players/12084320/characters

[solemn berry]

Returnee

Okay s5 teams this isn't quite my expertise

If you want the pure score then vera right now is better off using 4davinci 2guineverw

[pseudo flax]

Hm...

[solemn berry]

If you are planning to get Vera to ss0r1 her build is 4shakespeare4cottie

But before that it's not worth using

If you still want to temporarily run vera as dps then she can use 4hervor 2cottie

But that's a very temporary build

[pseudo flax]

I will try but i am kind of worried about hypertune too.

[solemn berry]

Yeah I wouldn't recommend hypertuning it

Only 4shakespeare4cottie

[pseudo flax]

and another black cards. I don't know if i gotta have enough for next patch.

[solemn berry]

How many you got

[pseudo flax]

12430 BC (P.S some weekly quest i didn't finish yet) and Event Construct RD Cards around 7180

[solemn berry]

You'll be okay

[pseudo flax]

Ok still i am thinking of getting exclusive weapon for some character but

[plain oyster]

Me only 7k

[pseudo flax]

Next patch. 💀

[solemn berry]

Think about that later

Nirvatia might be a rank

[pseudo flax]

Ah. Ok then guess i will save up for Rossetta new frame and her exclusive weapon.

Anyway also thanks.

[noble zinc]

Yes

Sp delay but

[noble zinc]

Device dosent matter that heavily

My games runs like 30fps or less nowadays

Unless freezing

[mighty tusk]

my phone can barely run pgr at 20 fps

and still dips

[noble zinc]

It was like 4 times

Shouldn't be that hard

[solemn berry]

Liv runs at most 15fps

Most of the time it's around 5-10

Sometimes the freeze is right at the explosion so I can't even do it

[noble zinc]

I'd better not play if game runs like that

Phn will go boom anytime

[buoyant hornet]

@steady otter your homeless invest video got infected with youtube auto-dub

[zinc charm]

hello dalao, what is the build for raydiance midianca

[solemn berry]

That's why me saving for redmi turbo 4 pro

[steady otter]

yeah youtube being stupid again

[solemn berry]

Could probably play pgr 4 times at the same time on max graphics

While recording 1080p60fps

[noble zinc]

Wut were the stream codes

[exotic fable]

NEWROSETTA0203
PGR2026

[exotic fable]

This?

Not sure if expired

[noble zinc]

[pseudo flax]

. - . Come to think till now when i play PGR i haven't redeem any codes.

[noble zinc]

Not expired yet

Use em

[pseudo flax]

Thanks.

[noble zinc]

Next patch then
skin 17.5
Chr 15
Wpn 7.5
Cub 5

Ta pak

[jolly patrol]

How rc total

many

[noble zinc]

Rc idk how much for skin

[sonic tide]

500

Very spending friendly

[jolly patrol]

Can you craft debut sig wep? Maybe scrap irrelevant oldies

cub too

[noble zinc]

yes

But not worth

Unless f2p

[sonic tide]

Shush 80k bc

[noble zinc]

me bric once they gone

[jolly patrol]

Dont really count

[noble zinc]

Spender you?

[jolly patrol]

Gotta spend even a small amount every once in a while

[fading kestrel]

any lao

[noble zinc]

Yea then you fine

[jolly patrol]

Its gacha f2p is a myth

[sonic tide]

Ain't u said tht u want to reach 100k how next u spend a lot

[fading kestrel]

helo nuke

[noble zinc]

Monthlies enough to survive here

[fading kestrel]

how 2 ss3 lightning
ive never tried to learn it ever since getting liffu

[rose yew]

K whel

[noble zinc]

[noble zinc]

You mean full SS3 light?

[fading kestrel]

nana, liffu, ish

all ss3

[noble zinc]

Yes cottie stat just you go

Seems best for now

Nana cottie

3 rot

[fading kestrel]

nana cot?
so liv has sig+heisen?

[noble zinc]

Yes

[fading kestrel]

damn

3rot nana, and 1short 1long liv?

does ish ever go onfield for padding?

[noble zinc]

3 rot liv placemnt of them as per wave

Double short/long

[fading kestrel]

gotcha

[noble zinc]

https://youtu.be/YduLDnA939A?si=-11XkXPjNCxfmp_P

This zone

Qte's you adjust as per need

[noble zinc]

Dosent

[noble zinc]

[fading kestrel]

thank lao

[noble zinc]

Will have like 42k left at patch debut if pullying horse

Shouldn't have went SS3 liv

Or dmc

Dmc 27k smthing it was

[sonic tide]

K whel

[fading kestrel]

o yeah and. now that she uses sig, is the reso sigMove and not core?

[noble zinc]

Core still

Her sig does pew pew

Below 3s

Core does it better

[fading kestrel]

alrighty

[fading kestrel]

i dont get the energy for liv ult1 after long rot

is sp delay mandatory for this or something

or does liffu still use 2cot and you forgot to tell me

[noble zinc]

Yea liv cottie ofc

[fading kestrel]

so like
4hei 2nat 2cot

[noble zinc]

4 cottie

4 heinsen

[fading kestrel]

BROTHER

[noble zinc]

Liv 4cot 4heosen
Nana sig4 cot2 ein2
Ish vinci4 guin 4

Base use this

Can change 4 cottie nana if need

Those as per need

Guin/ein ish too

Dlt don't need

[fading kestrel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/chen-endfield

[noble zinc]

[steady otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205201024596316172/1408031681574866964/togif.gif

[solemn berry]

How do I know if I'm casual or malder

[steady otter]

You care about score, min max dmg, fast input, qte timing, setup memory & team

didnt care about that = casual

[noble zinc]

me casul

[steady otter]

same here

[noble zinc]

[steady otter]

being casual save my time a lot

[noble zinc]

[steady otter]

to play wuwa

[noble zinc]

[steady otter]

RDR2 or GTAV

[noble zinc]

[sonic tide]

Yee gud be a casual save time to play other game fr fr

[solemn berry]

I do all these things but not very mcuh

My scores are
Light: 6.2m
Entropic Light: 5.9m
Nihil: 7.7m

Invests are
22.32 113 light
232 123 nihil

Nihil is so hard I don't think I can do it on pc

[vague nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/994192375427641344.webp?size=48&animated=true

[trim apex]

Cottie nana? is this non 3S build?

[noble zinc]

Yes

[peak halo]

Sadly i cant anymore
Lacking skills to good 1taps is my skill issue

[noble zinc]

[carmine roost]

Why's that a problem

Just wantap it and get whatever score

Sleep

What kind of masochist that keeps trying to retain legend without 333 team

That legend badge is only a mere png

[peak halo]

I have 333 teams

[carmine roost]

Then just wantap and retain

What are you

Joining monday bracket?

[peak halo]

Always

[carmine roost]

Just demote smh

Hero chill

[peak halo]

I still cant demote💀

[carmine roost]

Wdym can't

[peak halo]

Even with my bad scores enought to rentent

[carmine roost]

So

You're telling me you can't be casual cuz you have skill issue but your wantap still gets you legend retain?

[peak halo]

My wantaps is like 20 taps
Instant restart when getting idea or do a mistakes

And that can be more if sht zone

[carmine roost]

The game is controlling bro

[peak halo]

Yeah controlling to brick

[sonic tide]

[solemn berry]

Ok time to try nihil on pc

[buoyant hornet]

ss0: 4Jeanne 2cottie 2darwin
ss3 and above: 4Jeanne 2wilde 2darwin

[buoyant hornet]

cottie heisen babe

she can't do squat without cottie lol

[fading kestrel]

i havent played liv like ever lmao

[solemn berry]

Wait am I using the wrong liv build

Could be why my scores are so ass

[buoyant hornet]

liv below s+ doesn't even bother using her sig mem lol

All her sig mem does is buff her ult2

[solemn berry]

Nvm

[peak halo]

I heard sss depend on week

[buoyant hornet]

Which is too weak to be worth allocating 4 memory slots towards

[solemn berry]

I'm using the right memories

[buoyant hornet]

below s+

[solemn berry]

I'm just ass

[buoyant hornet]

interesting

[peak halo]

But i just hasien liv-ing
Not really wanna test it
Cuz even sp delaying is sht with her

Even malding 2 times light zone this week is a bit to much

[carmine roost]

Hah

No one is consistent enough with this ass game to know which one to actually use

[noble zinc]

[carmine roost]

Go mald more nude

You're the only one that can

[noble zinc]

Yes 3s heisen kr nat depends on week

Delulu light full of ruin guards

Runs away everytime

And those vacumes

[steady otter]

money will solve ur problem

[ashen parcel]

POV Teddy is about to step on you

[sonic tide]

[ashen parcel]

So I'm gonna turn her sig into food for resonance

but

like

should i

ofc i know i have SSS+ Liv but man i feel bad about this

[sonic tide]

K whel

[ashen parcel]

No

ugh

That's what im saying im basically asking if its ok to use the weapon as resonance

it feels bad

[sonic tide]

Already did mine stigmata weap r3 as fodder it is what it is

Unless u r collector

[ashen parcel]

😭 Understood

[solemn berry]

Sp delay doesn't need dlt on liv right?

[eager schooner]

hi guys, im new at the game and tbh im a little bit lost, do u know were i can find updated "comps"? ><. I still have the "New player rewards" and idk which S tier to pick

[cunning hound]

need sss ishy rot pls

prefferably 4 rot

[solemn berry]

Not a pull guide though

[solemn berry]

3rot seems better for me

Though I don't have sss ish

[eager schooner]

thx u much ❤️ i lov u

[solemn berry]

My score went from 6.7m to 7.8m

From 4rot ish to 3rot ish

But idk I'm not whel like u timi

Wut ppc light build

[noble zinc]

You don't 4 rot ish even sss unless super niche situation at best once I guess
3 rot gnrl same as ss3
1st rot
Ult1-RYRDD-Ult2
2nd
R-d-holdD-r-dodge-ult2
3rd
HD-ult1-red-d-hd-r-dodge-ult2

[cunning hound]

ah

oo

[simple dew]

isnt it ryrrdd on 1st

[noble zinc]

ah yes aniother red

forgot to put

[simple dew]

misinfolao

[noble zinc]

[simple dew]

[solemn berry]

He's now malding

And wondering why he doesn't have enough energy

[noble zinc]

delulu zone ugh

[golden nacelle]

pcpcpcppc

[noble zinc]

[sonic tide]

Traitor pc user

[solemn berry]

How are my scores? Lightning is 22.32 113 and nihil is 232 123

Funny how we used to have harmo notations but got rid of it bc it was just a given

232 113 111

Like I'd hope so

[meager sleet]

lightning could be higher

[simple dew]

where cub notations

[solemn berry]

Howweaaaahhhh

I can maybe get about 6.8m lightning if I mald for that last millisecond when nanami ult is active

And for the entropic zone

It's whatever

[carmine roost]

Nihillao

[solemn berry]

I don't think it was that good

[carmine roost]

That's actually good tho

My 232 123 too only 7.4m

Hero ofc

[sonic tide]

[solemn berry]

Na?

I think I could easily get like 8m tho

It was a sloppy onetap

[sonic tide]

@noble zinc shut it 84k bc whel

[carmine reef]

Sloppy toppy

[mighty tusk]

<@&595893856554319873>

Give these to kuro and buff TS rosetta

[orchid owl]

stop the cap

it's not for eins application speed

[solemn berry]

Where is this

[orchid owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1453399465187872898/pgr_who_is_faster_ayla_vs_vera.mp4?ex=697ebf7b&is=697d6dfb&hm=242bc327905ad6db30aa6bd056aeecf76bc9d3a73dd277060236fb65322c951c&

[orchid owl]

the meta team image

[orchid owl]

you sent it a few hours ago

[simple dew]

dementia

[simple dew]

its for qte dmg

[orchid owl]

it's a gen 2 amplifier

that's cope

this has already been debunked

[solemn berry]

It's cause she's cute

[orchid owl]

the only reason you would use Ayla is to apply eins to 2 waves

but that's an extremely tight scenario

[orchid owl]

she hits twice with her QTE

[solemn berry]

Who can trigger 4guin again

[simple dew]

why does livs 2nd hold dodge not give qte gauge

[steady otter]

all of em

[solemn berry]

In 1 qte

[orchid owl]

Lilith, Feral, Vera, Ishmael, Empyrea, Spectre

[solemn berry]

Ok got it

[barren plank]

Do remember Ishmael will be classless in that team tho so she can't be used

[solemn berry]

Yeah I'm not an idiot

Oh right you don't recognise me

Nvm

[carmine roost]

Who's guide is that anyway

[solemn berry]

No one

It's a collection of alot of dalao

[ashen parcel]

Can we have Alpha Shield Breaker frame
Nihil + Ultima Slash

Or

Lightning AMP + Ultima Slash

[humble jackal]

yo is there a character tier list i can use?

[peak halo]

#1456737941811499123 message

[humble jackal]

ok thank you

[peak halo]

we not really have character tier list, just meta team list

[humble jackal]

god i wish i would have joined where the dmc collab was still in the game

Yall think vergil will come back one day? 😭

[humble jackal]

ah i see

well who should i even pull in this banner

have enough tickets

[simple dew]

vera geiravor

[peak halo]

not really
collab is limited
if dmc and kuro want rerun the collab but its unlikely

[humble jackal]

Well damn, makes me sad to hear

[simple dew]

unlikely since theyre washed

[humble jackal]

is she good?

[simple dew]

yes

fire dps+ can solo

[peak halo]

best fire unit rn

[humble jackal]

oh damn, alright ill try to get her then

[humble jackal]

Wait washed how 😭

[peak halo]

just get them not collab replacement kinda

[simple dew]

dantes already benched and vergil is getting a sidegrade in 3 days

[humble jackal]

Well damn

as for a units, should i pick anything or it wont matter?

[orchid owl]

dante > pyrowashed

OMG FREE RC

[simple dew]

<@&595893856554319873>

a

[orchid owl]

you're cooked

[simple dew]

im washed

[noble zinc]

[simple dew]

[simple dew]

whats ishamel rot

and luna

[noble zinc]

Invest?

[simple dew]

homeless

232 112 wata

[noble zinc]

https://youtu.be/TOupNbnxh3c?si=8tr4ebCH5d-nrlXa

[humble jackal]

should i save my blackcards for the future

[noble zinc]

Luna rot dosent change

[simple dew]

ss3 luna wehl

[sick flower]

hi

[simple dew]

no not you

[sick flower]

☹️

[weak bolt]

Who should I choose for my 100% rate up

[barren plank]

On the base banner? Are you a brand new player

[weak bolt]

This I am new

[barren plank]

Vera Geiravor

[barren plank]

For the A-rank you could chose Bridget Ardeo

[weak bolt]

Also who should I choose on this?

[orchid owl]

anyone you like

[barren plank]

Nanami Pulse is the best choice

But they are all so old that it doens't really matter in the long run

[orchid owl]

pulse?

bridget is free

[sick flower]

is bridget debuff better than pulse?

[orchid owl]

tenebrion is more important if we are looking at any shred potential

[barren plank]

Until they get her to SSS, Pulse = Bridget

[barren plank]

Rosetta is Monday

[sick flower]

rosetta in 3 days 😭🙏

[orchid owl]

so what does it matter

[barren plank]

It doesn't really

[orchid owl]

[barren plank]

That's why I said they're so old it doesnt matter in the long run

[sick flower]

just use it for luminance for collection purposes @weak bolt

other than collection

that selector is nothing

[barren plank]

It's up to them what they want to pick

[barren plank]

At that point u could just keep the selector itself

[sick flower]

luminance is way rarer than them all

[stray siren]

Nana Knight in burn mode >>

[barren plank]

It's gonna take him a while to get Nana tho so

[simple dew]

pick the worst possible option

[sick flower]

people always expect newbies to have startrail on day 1

[simple dew]

ember

[sick flower]

i hate ember

[simple dew]

exactly

[sick flower]

her model her sfx her vfx her voice her gameplay her ult her damage

i hate everything about her

[orchid owl]

why

[rose yew]

It’s already second month of the horse year nya

[solemn berry]

NEIIIIIGHHHHHHHHH

[stray siren]

Two week if you rush

[median shell]

[solemn berry]

Wait this is fire

[solemn berry]

:Racism:

[simple dew]

wtf did i just witness

https://tenor.com/view/fine-addition-my-collection-gif-15791591638208860670

[solemn berry]

Sorry to show you 1% of my true power