#📨・meta-help
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The stratagem of forgoing Liv once again yieldeth rich rewards, for I comprehend not the meaning of this so‑called SP delay is and what it does
Sp delay does work throughout the full run (assuming 2long rot every swap) but it doesn't allow 3rot on liv's last swap due to orb deficit yeah
but you need dlt to sp delay the full run
I mean she can probably do it if I do hold dodge twice throughout the run (instead of sp delay or 3x 3ping>ult1)
nope not at all
even with 2 long
Not for 2long
For short rot sp delay iirc it does
But I didn't test short rot strats extensively so I'm not sure
i run out of orbs on her 2nd swap if i dont have dlt doing sp delay
Strange maybe it has to do with my procing lingya on ish before liv's first swap lol
That one orb does translate to an entire 3ping due to matrix lol
if i didnt have dlt i wouldnt have this much orbs
In Hero, for example, small damages matter. With SS3 Vera I encountered this situation many times.
2 dodges cancels: 1 wave less, 1s more
1 dodge cancel: 1 wave ahead, 1s less
oh yeah fire wz in hero is extremely sensitive with vera dmg management lmfao
but you end up bricking the ending rotations, so you lose out on big ult dmg
Letting hold basic play out a little bit longer before each dodge cancel can make an entire wave difference
true
Although tbf with cottie nanami that loss is less problematic, nanami can do 3x 3ping into ult2 + slam ult on last swap
That does compensate for lacking liv's ult but not for lacking her hold dodge dmg too hmm
why not leave red and dodge cancel her core instead
do you mean vera
amp buff?
not cancelling vera's red seems to work out better than not cancelling her core feels like
wdym?
Oh gotta cancel core for sure but sometimes slowing down on the cancels can lead to a better wave kill
you do a triple rot nanami you are bound to eat into amp, so why not just swap in liv for the amp buff
liv does way more dmg than nanami regardless
3rot nana cot takes the same amount of time as 2rot nana heis
keep in mind my runs are ss3 nanami (doubled slam dmg) and ss0 liv (lacks the ss3 core buff)
can the 3 rot nana rot be looped for solo? is it even viable for solo?
but she still does more?
And 4ba every rot
ss0 liv isnt weaker than ss3 nanami?
I dnt think so
im goos with my bracket (will be sniped later on)
K lao
Very similar dmg, sometimes nana better dmg distribution depending on waves
shes way weaker even at ss3 than liv ss0 though?
in bulk dmg yes but liv orb and/or hold ba overkill happens more often
heisen herschell ss3 nanami vs heisen cottie ss0 liv,
nanami is still behind
herschell cottie eins is even further back
heisen yeah but not cottie
Well at least not 4pc cottie which is better on mob zones lol
this week's void mob i used eins luna cause its outright better than cottie despite the earlier start of 4cottie
It's weird to describe I'll just upload the run and show you
same
but its boss lightning this week
so isnt it cottie eins nanami
damage is even worse
even at a triple rot she would be behind ss0 liv i thought
No if u manage to cast one ult in 3s 
but what if you can cast more
Vera is limited to 3 ultimates per rot, u cast 3 in 9s, what do you do with downtime?
swap to watanabe?
And what if Wata isn't ready?
then liv?
Yommeta channel
who the hell is yomm
crave naught but wabtap
Tis Yommama, by name and by sound
Sure lao
We're all still learning
A dalao must forever quest after wisdom, lest his greatness be diminished
Fr, if you make YouTube guides = noob player
i dont make guides unfortunately, im not good enough
not a master
no class for it yet
yommlao's teachings

i dont teach people
that just makes it seem like im a know it all when i know nothing
Yommcrates
I teach people
It makes it seem like I'm a know it all because it's true. I know all of it
Evil zexocrates
hows the wz score like
i hope watanabe is gone soon
i dont want to see his ugly mug on fire or df wz anytime soon
unfortunately if a new fire tank is here lucia is the one getting replaced

When UNC is cast aside, may that fraud hoe Pyro be driven off as well.
Wata my goat
Damn bear b2b had to manage to proc qte twice just to kill fast
I just wish he was actually functional lol
Wata my goat who is functional for all who aren't skill issue
Ah yes lemme just slap him to make him not blind with his shred field 

I dotn slap my elders
you should slander and crucify the old man instead
dotn
Aye, ’tis true, ’tis real, and most assuredly based

Hope the bear won't jump next
@gray totem @true pivot https://youtu.be/3-qGE0TEUjw
SS0 Liv - 4Heisen 4Cottie + Glorious Afterglow wep reso
SS3 Nanami - 4Herschell 2Cottie 2Eins - Domain deconstruction + DLT*
SS0 Ishmael - 4DV 4Guin + amp resos
This strat can be used without DLT on nanami but she will need to start the run with one full basic attack rotation then swap to Liv.
This perfectionist
Should i prioritize SS3 on teams that are doing okay with all 3 units at SS or should i full focus on getting missing SS like Liv who i didnt even get the sig (unfortunate limited time </3)
This shall serve me well when the Light Amp descendeth
focus on ss
thats why i strongly advocate sp delay

if you dont mald
whats the point
Yeah
the most effective tactic available to score higher in wz is to mald
lies and deceit, my wantaps always beat malding no matter the effort
alrighty, quick question tho is SS3 that big of a gap on most characters? On the grey ravens website i see most characters recommended at both sig + SS3 but thats kinda hard unless the character is in the voucher shop 😔
I haven't malded in a year
clearly you havent push yourself so hard that you break
I mean, really played the way i played. Too comfy
no the only unit that truly needed ss3 is karenina scire
i was close to screwing up my arm again playing lightning this week
dancing with brick
sigless shukra broke me before i broked myself
oh good to know, ill go all in on my missing SS then, spend my vouchers on teddy instead since she is also there, would pull for her and maybe get her SS3 but i need rosetta haha
Breaking your hand for a score
Next 4 year compensate her long service 
This must be a new definition of Break your leg
patch after alpha, all in
i am pushing myself-
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after all
Tbh when we get amp we likely won't see nanami or field spending as much time onfield anyway lol but cottie might still be needed for nana who knows
well its always interesting to see how far i can push my team to
No he means literally break
😭
Like physically
my hand isnt like shattered
I think it was a physical zone iirc?
Yeah thankfully
Do you still play on mobile btw?
Goatnami will abideth still, yet that fraud Liv shall be eclipsed and forgotten
im a pc player
90% of my inputs are in my left hand
the right deals with dodge + basic attacks
and camera movement
Use thou the controller, and spare thy folly
spare thy hand
ive never used a controller in my life
oh wow lol
Ne’er is it too late to learn, for wisdom waiteth upon all who seek her.
I never use controller for pgr specifically
i played mostly tf2 in my early days
so im too used to these
hard to change a habit
Grigori is eagerly waiting for his grand battle
Will the Arisen stand tall or will he succumb to the reaper that is waiting?
joe biden
Don't need
joe mama
wat the meta phys team rn guy
Selena hanying Vero(or Alisa if 3s and Vero 2s)
hanying selena veronica
Should r2 hanny?
yes

Ok I'll be back sometime after when I'm more free to actually focus on ppc
Thanks
feel free to @ or dm me
@buoyant hornet
Ok
so when is the mald on wz
Oh fk right I only have 2 days for wz
veronica? dang i better wake up
I forgot to enter wz on my acc
Never
my right hand is precious for something else
I will chase you down with a lawnmower
I'm exempt rifht
yes I only target your dad you're my innocent nephew
oh you're not mambo this month ig
"This month"
This week*
Mambo walketh amongst us, unseen yet ever present
camelot
Ohb thats the name
Camelot
I was saying cameron and wondering why it sounded familiar
Unc go to sleep
It's 10:30pm
I'm washed
self-proclaimed "liv fan"
cant even play her
(please dont be matched with me in warzone ever again im terrified)
I will be the undisputed kamui dalao trust
who the hell are you
youre not mambo
Cameron
its lord camelot
Yes
you're so dead if i ever see you in wz 
I will change my name to that
oh you mean came a lot?
gotcha
Ok nvm
ew fate
Cameron with a K
camekon
CAM ON ENGERLAND
Cameronk
hey there its josh welcome back to lets game it out, today were checking out arknights endfield
Whenfield?
never
mob void is even worse
Damn

Maybe i should play endfield when it comes out
Take a break from pgr
How do one even break games like arknights
Oh well, josh will find a way
if its a factory game, it can be broken

df gud kinda
So ts strongest team now?
indeed
Ok bro she's stupid
Wtf is that dmg that's illegal
She shot Vergil in the ballz 200 billion times
i mean, its gonna be giga nerfed. thats what beta is for
dark was 34mil in the last version
rosettas beta as a whole has been pathetically balanced
I'd be surprised if she survives beta with the way that she is rn
so would i
but in the off-chance that she does, i can guarantee you that im quitting in a heartbeat
because thats just nonsense
whut hero lightning score for 3.02.13.0 with Amp Feral
Genuinely baffles me how one patch ago highest score was 25 mil
11mil jump that's mad
I thought Vero being stupid strong in burn was terrifying enough
Rosetta completely shattered that
Ok let's say she gets out this way
Surely TS PPC boss HP gonna jump to 60mil right? 
14.5+
Someone did
Solo
Liv
9900w

Red huaxu default hp is alr 66mil


oh you dont know
Intensive Battle added optional modifers now
one of them increases the bosses HP by 50%
I had fun with my ts wz
lets go 150m hp huaxu for +5% score
I barely get to intensive battle lmao
L
4 times ever since I started playing
Windbell bout to do 99mil SS0 5star soon
Would've been more if ts wasn't so shet

nuke, is windlao better than you
Wait who got highest HP in IB? 
And with modifiers?
Oh not in live serv yet
maybe i should make sig class set
i mean, most units can make quick work of IB bosses if you have them at omegawhale nvst
but yea, the new class is gonna massively increase the powerlevel of any team its in
Never seen DV nana until now 
not necessarily
my alts are hitting brick wall in IB nowadays when it's not cradle week
i mean thats just a skill issue
tho ye they're still squishy on my main even huaxu
I hear she's kinda eh at SS0, is that true 
every unit is a coughing baby if compared to their SSS these days
but yea, rosetta brings it to new extremes
Scire S0 vs Scire SS3 vs Scire SSS0 vs Scire SSS+
I thought SS3 was the standard for human rights 
back then
give kuro your money or suffer

What the whel
damn, I forgot I can't promote dis week, and probably bricced someone from promoting 
Pray remind me, how much doth Luna cub yield in score? For I have forgor.
block more
nahh, me wholesome, always try to slacc as hard as I can when I can't promote 
but now I forgot 
wanted to try some zaza cottie + enst nana lightning run, and ended up with 6m more than the 1st place 

grandpa brain
old news
its sss now or f2p

what is best teddy rot for guild battle
does current nihil team use sss wata or sss teddy?
Can be either
yeah but which is better?
Wata
my teddy r2, wata r1, if that helps
Scire doko 
what's ish invest
ss0
ss3 
wata then
wata better?

Teddy isn't giving any better buff compared to SSS lilith
but ishmael gets better shred
ew ss0

When malding becomes muscle memory 
The fok 
its saying stop malding


Nuke be like 
i guess ts is at 50m?
67m
SS0 lightning
is it here that is the big sheet with builds or was it at general-help?
alt accounts

Alt


50% of the reason I never malded or even really properly played ts wz beyond the first week
dmc gotta be my worst account investment
Equippable collectibles 
Fortunately unlike Nier, I actually locked their 5* this time
Holy fck imagine can't unequip the weapon in 2026
Get ready to reso fodder vergil sig then
it's Discord cub you mean for guild siege pump 
Is there even a point to keeping cw sig? I still have mine
harmo qte
What
harmonize her and turn her into a qte
unless guild
I've only ever used her in guild
Even with timestop discord can’t compete with the goat jetavie
This is what you do
Only use ult1 then never again
Thanks lavaguy

Discord is just charge rmb and then the ult stance where you ping red orbs is just too much time
She got cucked by being physical
and ultima slash
Ultima has the same problems as phys
Well
It will have one less problem next patch
Does rose have float?
Ofc
Next patch removes float from Ultima
Yeah
Aint no way Kusogames fixing their bs
Phys still fked tho
Although the core problem is still there
But ultima still needs to crit
Ohh yeah
sss team enjoys being able to do 1 ult
If if if if if
Since Vero is strong enough
If my mom had balls she'd be my dad
SSS human invest after all

Indeed

phys unit too shafted no matter what
The worst thing that can happen to your favourite character being playable is having them be physical

I might be coping but it feels like balter was the best phys unit we had
We had hanying
Although I'm not sure about meta standpoint
I would have to agree
I would also agree
When balter launched she was the best unit in the game too
For 2 big reasons

She was goated in other contents beside physical
I remember someone made a phys guide and even advocated for phys being one of the best wz due to it being rng minimal (besides dmg float)
Most hyped skin
if you wanna get blind 🕶️
empy skin: pay to not get blind
balter skin: pay to get blind
When me seen her was in her debut and said skip
Kinda
Also never a regret
Eu player is brutal issue with the skill that time atleast in leader
Peak character
She killed everything in UPPC
My first sss 
My first was cw
Going from Alpha SS to Bianca SSS0 was like discovering fire and reaching the moon in the same day


Aren't you supposed to be sleeping? 
my first was Blast 
Its not even 10:30 pm yet
s-she counts too, r-right? 
You’re just used to seeing me on here when its 3am
My first SSS A was Palefire
oy, what is dis rankism on my family fwiendly channel?
B, A, S, they are the same 
Too late
10:30 PM is sleep time
Unless you are a stay at home self employed individual 
Eh
I just got home
My first sss was Bianca ||zero|| too 
Muin is that u?
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/99764033
Cleanest art I seen in a while
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrtKLNTB71c
I would use pretender as a song instead but been overusing it lol
#pgr #punishinggrayraven #punishinggrayravenglobal #punishinggrayravenenglish #punishinggrayravenindonesia #warzone #punished #gaming #liv #urmom #bianca #alter
I remember this day when zero became a meta for a week 
is it a good idea to dodge cancel after 3x3 ping? talking about ray bonca
or is it better to let the animation play out?
but why
2.332 fire what vera build
shakes
can doddge cancel everything on swap in 
then 3y d 2x3y d

:3

No way it's back
<@&595893856554319873>
<@&595893856554319873> free money
thou shall mald to acquire said score
Which one should i select?
I haven't played the game for months now so idk what is meta right now
Can y'all execute this guy with hammers?
send Huaxu for now so we can pick 

you mean her?
no no, I meant send your ID+server
ah
so we can look for what's better to pull
Assuming completely newbie, Vera Geiravor is best pick for me
ID: 28862490
Server: Eurupe
What the hell the scam message is still here

Explore the 36 characters of Alien256 from the Europe server of Punishing: Gray Raven.
this yeah?
yeah Geiravor like Pengu said
yep that's me
Real solid newbie acc get Vera Gei no doubt

XD
That name is so funny to me
Gay
Gay
"Vera gay" XD
Some of us do call her Vera Gay, yes
Pray, doth Rosetta’s class passive effect yet stack with the Tank’s passive boon?
is this what happens when u use alt
Shut it kiwi
vocab is majestic
But well, probably still yes idk how it's not gone yet
Why is he on an alt anyway
ded, banished
Waduh
Apparently he posted something and got nuked
backread lost sanity 
Automod did it I guess?
yeah did

Bro kiwid so hard he got his main banned
L bozo
How am I not banned for saying ching chong yet
Usually automod kills an entire person and their messages
thou should cease thy breathing
lies

thou has a lower score than someone in elite
it's a malignant foe that did it

Bruh
This is the first time I've seen someone still alive after being hacked and spammed scam messages
u should try being a racer

Usually when someone is posting scam message
They get nuked to oblivion
Literal gone from this server
usually they get executed 
delete thy cursed messages, thy mods may overlook it
Racing tag 


@icy otter whats thy nihil score coward
the age of liv is at a twilight already, started with a whimper and ended with one

Delete your message in #📨・tech-support before you get banned
And secure your account
Wonder how people just get hacked randomly, what are u clicking on 
Was about to ask what were her best teammates
same here
Say her name and ask, simple buut here #1456737941811499123 message
thy sexy girl in my dms with an account only a day old beckons me
My 1tap was 4.8 idk if nuke logged in or sm
He was doing df I think

thou is washed, cant beat a wantap from thy who took a 2 month sabbatical and in elite
Nice elite bro
elite 
Wait
try beating thy elite nihl score thou washed dum dum
luna hath not been leaped as i hath forgotten
4 cottie
thy is old school
thou hath not liv, thou hath not malded
@dawn cloak skill issued as always it seems
Is it bad score or something?
a little bit
Mambo falling off
actually idk ss0 scores
where ss0 wata
by the beggar with no ish ss3:
oh
Darkflow Liv best memory?
4 bathlon 4 cottie or 4 pinecone 4 cottie?
Bathlon Cottie 
What about 4 pinecone 4 bathlon?
bad


for lighting is parhelion better than feral?
whoever has the most invest out of both of em u use
At lower investment (SS0 rank) the difference between feral and Parhelion is negligible with the same investment (whichever has more is better)
Parhelion is probably better with higher invest (SS3 or higher)
In some cases yes because ishmael can do many pings and can trigger ult very quickly so even at the same invest there is still some use case for ishmael
my feral ist just neglected so parhelion it is

Same
need my first place back in lightning
Mine is only ss0r0 cause of the bp
mine is s with no weapon
Otherwise s05*
am kinda mad that i didnt get liv ss3
Can i use bianca and lilith on darkflow warzone? Dark slightly , darkflow greatly
You can
But you shouldn't still
Based on older stats
Dark dmg would only deal 0.7x final dmg in Darkflow dmg despite the text sayings "Dark slightly increased"
Yea but my Liv only SS0 R1 and vera no sign,no wata
Increased dmg when the final dmg is going to be multiply by 0.7x still won't give you any desirable results
How about your fire team
It's the entropic stage
Can always choose to play the other stage
My fire team is suck too,nanami ss0 r0 and vera no sign,one more idk who should i put in
Play solo vera in fire with Nanami (and Luna Oblivion if possible) and sleep until monday


I don't think you have an alternative for Darkflow tank without wata

Aight thanks
we never know 
Does wata being df specific tank save him from rosetta
whats your tank for dark even?
Scire
Damn
Wait what's this question mean again

Like Rosetta could replace wata in DF or something?
rank?
Something like that
SS0 and R0 🗿
No -3s reduc
not even ss3
if u had ss3 u might've had a team there
wata's shred is better
Didn't roset qte also has some kind of field?
I feel like I've read that somewhere before
Can't remember anymore
apparently it doesnt proc countiously like wata and nana
and wata shred is apparently 60% in df
instead of 45
although her class passive
is better
than tank passive
but why choose between them when u can use both? just get rid of liv. she is deadweight anyway

her shred stack with his
no dmg
slap cottie on him and make vera main dps boom 30m df
yep ishmaeal is better
I mean there was never a real reason to use feral over ish here anyway yeah
Thank you unc for saving my df
ok use daren instead
Me gonna use Ros in DF later
Unc chopped fr
So old that the stairs had become his biggest threats
Wata sss base invest
can pyroath out dps geiravor and crepuscule?
well sss pyroath is main dps in fire team
sss or above
what about crepuscule, is she always beyond pyroath plasma
idk
I guess it will mainly depend on the weather buff
Not enough test done. Only 1 week available
Comeback several months later 
scientists arent working enough bru 💔
Bro
Plasma zone only exist for one week
Pyro plasma has been tried for a year+
Bonca still almost nothing compared to that amount
Or test it urserf ig

im not smart enough

Bonca aura loss
idk for me its pretty convincing that bianca is well above pyroath plasma levels
there is no doubt in my mind
@dry bay 
i cant speak to all invests
but for 3s this is true
and by extension s+ i would imagine
Bonka stronger indeed but only after SSS Teddy
Which I assume that guy don't have, knowing him
i aint ever seen pyro come even close to 15m on mob zone

pyro sucks even harder in fire now
whels can't relate to the unlimited midness midanca ss0 is 
i used her ss0 like twice before kiwi-ing cn acc forever
thats a lie i came back to play ss0 vero once
and then i kiwi
since by then we caught up
well he claims that 
??
how did u guys came to that conclusion
without ranks said, that can be either true or false

see? he knows 
so sss pyroath is > sss crepuscule
bruh what
i wanted to double check
if she is strong at sss i might invest in her a bit more yk 
i just said bruh what cause i got pinged in meta help 
vera sss is infinitely more value smh
ah i pinged you because you know the most about pyroath
okay buddy
kek, I sense disturbance in the air 
can plasma use raydiance buffs?
no
nay
i also thought it was obvious i was being factious 
im not trying to argue investment value
i am filithy casual whel
im not asking about investment value i just wanna know if she is worth SSS cause you know she is my #1 char and im open to burning my wallet for her
just wait for alpha
or burning it to boil egg
yeah just listen to that guy 100%

and toast marshmallows
Roach shall meet her downfall
Since uni days??
Unc.

skip
based
she can
leaving only 1 option left
The Alpha guy is skipping Alpha?
im nanami guy now
there is no ts amp
wait until phys/ts breaker alpha
we now know why they renamed tank
its to make alpha sound better
she could be ts amp ice attacker
its not a rename for tank 💔
I think Alpha is gonna be another new class that Kusogame pull out of their ass
it kinda is
for all intents and purposes breaker is just gen4 tank
this isnt like the amp/support jump
i can see an upgraded attacker class since you all hate attacker class
and amplifier is just gen2 healer
Breaker might just replace Tank from now on
naur
What a Dark future we're in
its called uniframe
support and amp are wildly different
completely different class skills
breaker class is tank class with a bit extra
CAN WE GET UNIFRAME REWORK KURO PLS
what is the difference between healer and amplifier besides swap buff
breaker is just tank + attacker, soon new amp will be amp + attacker and attacker stays washed
qte dmg buff
isnt amplifier already kind of healer + tank
they do dmg themselves
they dont debuff
so not a tank
qte dmg buff
support is focused on healing thats why the class skill increases healing
debuff /= buff
there was only ever like two good supports to exist and those were lumi and rozen
'good' being questionable
support units also buff with qte
teddy erasure
teddy came out waay after this time
what would the purpose of uniframes be 💔
Lab rats
styling or something and then failing

they need to convert uniframes to omniframes and give them a slight overall buff + keep all their uniframe moves
the leap granted her mini amp buffs
Rozen out GOAT
Expose that fraud Keklena Cappucino
"they need to convert uniframes to omniframe ". already happened a year ago
so its kinda cheating also yeah lol
she literally didn't have offensive dmg buffs until leap
yes
dogwater
we need to completely get rid of the feature called "uniframe"
and for the uniframe banner
why not add all gen 1 units to that banner?
rozen may have been somewhat decent but then she got outclassed by everyones favourite pink haired hacker
There's just no point
imagine
Uniframe dead af
ted bundy was free sss+














