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[spiral merlin]

i cant even sponsor myself

[simple dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/953114926774374470.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=WDYM

[spiral merlin]

me and my 7k bc against the world

[simple dew]

me and my 30k

[spiral merlin]

see

youre the whel

sponsor free luna

[graceful summit]

🐳

[simple dew]

me f2p

[spiral merlin]

yeah me too

[noble zinc]

Me3

[normal sierra]

so many f2ps here now

[simple dew]

did anyone do twins on max difficulty

[graceful summit]

Psychopath

[simple dew]

its not that hard

[verbal forge]

Lemme do rn

[graceful summit]

Wdym plume+entropy+get hit 3 times or less

[simple dew]

have fun doing solo qu first

[golden merlin]

I already had skill issue for lloyd hell

I am allowed to get hit up to 10 times

But so many attacks just onetap you anyways

[normal sierra]

that's just 2x rota q* with a single dodge in the middle to avoid their garbo matrix hit lul

[simple dew]

i no have qu

so i hav to use trial 5* qu

[normal sierra]

eww that must be torture indeed

[verbal forge]

Ah

Pretty chil

But what is the Inferno one

[simple dew]

plume + entropy

≤ 3 hits

dont count entropy cause hes garbage

[simple dew]

do solo ploom

and make sure to hit them with a basic after you dodge their matrix

dont ult durning their matrix unless you want to get hit

[verbal forge]

[normal sierra]

hard pass on that stage
no time to wait a billion seconds for their garbo matrix gimmick 🚮

[simple dew]

its fun

[normal sierra]

lloyd 2nd phase thou, now that maniac hits like a truck

[simple dew]

fr

[normal sierra]

1st phase ez no hit, then 2nd phase starts and it's over lul

[simple dew]

the amounts of 1 shots he does

[keen sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897803025379393556/1420915274781036677/labuhbuh-4x.gif

[spiral merlin]

kuro 'difficulty' is either dps checks via timed content or one shots or both

[simple dew]

dont get hit 4 times

[visual topaz]

cooking lulu

[spiral merlin]

cooked lulu

[simple dew]

lulud cook

ranking:

1. twins
2. ephialtes
3. overseer
4. chiko

[noble zinc]

[normal sierra]

dunno wutcha you talk about, all of these are f2p

[noble zinc]

yes

[carmine reef]

The funniest part is calling fabio lao in the same message as rydle, nuke, etc

[noble zinc]

He does things undercover

[solemn berry]

He's just underrecognised

My goat still lao in my heart

[carmine reef]

Damn

[solemn berry]

I mean

I could name alot more

[carmine reef]

Hear that @deft apex

[solemn berry]

AND

[carmine reef]

You're just filler

[noble zinc]

[solemn berry]

I would put fabio there because I think he should be in there

[simple dew]

hows ur pfp

[solemn berry]

If you keep asking me I'll change ba k

[simple dew]

[deft apex]

what

[solemn berry]

Khaled only put u in dalao list for filler

But I'd put you in there for real

[noble zinc]

[solemn berry]

Khaled don't know how to treat you right 😔

[deft apex]

worryRainStare

[simple dew]

put me up there

[solemn berry]

No

[simple dew]

i did event

[solemn berry]

No

[simple dew]

ues

[solemn berry]

Here's my

Dalao list

[noble zinc]

[simple dew]

https://tenor.com/view/bahaha-lol-hd-gif-minion-minion-laugh-gif-2154867417577880306

[solemn berry]

That I remember off the top of my head

[carmine reef]

Offrating 5 sigs is uh

Not fabio's thing though

[deft apex]

it's urs

[solemn berry]

CryoZero Dazzal pwowq Zexous AetherVoid Mycledra Umbran Feyer Kurai trs Ek Rydle Ken Kimika FabioJo Kirai Commandant_05417
1234567890

[carmine reef]

[solemn berry]

These are my beloved laos

[simple dew]

me

[solemn berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-emoji-no-no-emotiguy-no-no-no-gif-gif-9742000569423889376

[simple dew]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece1016-gol-d-roger-whitebeard-oden-gif-25621378

[solemn berry]

I know

These are MY beloved laos

Retired or not

[simple dew]

retirement house

[distant wren]

Lmfao

[solemn berry]

This is why

Wait no you're not the Farel I talked to a while ago

That farel is banend

[simple dew]

which farel

[carmine reef]

Most of those ppl still play

[simple dew]

there was some other extra

[carmine reef]

Aether, trs, ek are full kiwi
Cryo and kurai have logged on at some points recently

The others are entirely active

[solemn berry]

Idk about zexous though

Might remove him

[carmine reef]

Did he

[rose yew]

Dazzal back to wuwa

[solemn berry]

Honestly

Might kiwi umamusume for pgr

[carmine reef]

Does he even wuwa

[solemn berry]

The cycle cycles

[carmine reef]

I just know he's playing wwm

[rose yew]

Mayhaps

[solemn berry]

I will return

And become the only f2plao

No

I'm f2p

Don't believe the lies

I am free to play

[carmine reef]

Ok like

F2p laos only ever included 2 people

[solemn berry]

play

[carmine reef]

One of which is still around

[visual topaz]

what df score on hero with 332 ?

[solemn berry]

Ok name them

[carmine reef]

Kurai and snazz

[solemn berry]

Truest

[noble zinc]

14.5+

[visual topaz]

what wave is that

[noble zinc]

Need to see wait

This week?

[carmine reef]

232 gotta be like 8m or smth awful

Feyer said his ss0 liv df doesn't even beat fire which is pitiful

[noble zinc]

It was leg saw wrong hero idk
But it scores near same now after adjustments

[solemn berry]

What does fire get

[carmine reef]

I tried like one go at fire and it was around 8.5 i think

[solemn berry]

What invess

[carmine reef]

My df is 9.5 rn

[noble zinc]

If 323 ss cubs taking 9.2+ should be

Asia

[carmine reef]

2.332 112

[solemn berry]

[carmine reef]

One taps on both pretty much

[limber yoke]

Wher 10m df

[solemn berry]

What about df wha tinvest

[carmine reef]

Thats my invest for both

[carmine reef]

Mobs

[solemn berry]

I thought u kiwi

Why you're still here

[noble zinc]

Ye with R3 vera should be doable

10.6+ smthing I think cap rn

[solemn berry]

What df team anyway

[carmine reef]

I know it's doable

[noble zinc]

Cope

But

Pain

[carmine reef]

But like hell I'm gonna mald mob zone

[limber yoke]

Excuse

[limber yoke]

w37 then?

[noble zinc]

I can short ult wave 37 ye

With core

Ult 1 entry at wave 37

I got dangerous hitlag cuz those mf spawned 999 bombs

1ult ending 10.25 it was

[solemn berry]

I th in k

Daren?

What

Actually?

[noble zinc]

[solemn berry]

My invest only 231 325

232 321

[limber yoke]

So w38?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/918001207405051905.gif?quality=lossless&name=PepeRunCryTrip&size=48

[noble zinc]

Idk how tanky that wave is

[limber yoke]

Well

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1087087912270704791.gif?quality=lossless&name=worrygold&size=48

2s3 is 10/10/12 melinoe

[carmine reef]

Oh is it melinoe in exppc rn

[visual topaz]

W55 probably possible on my F2P alt

[limber yoke]

Yes

[solemn berry]

Who's melinoe

[visual topaz]

CH37 Boss

[solemn berry]

Ok I haven't read ch37

[carmine reef]

Wait i thought it was ephi

[solemn berry]

I've yet to download the game

Cause no internet for 4 ays

[carmine reef]

Are we still 1 week behind cn in ppc

[solemn berry]

Yay foresight

[visual topaz]

ephialtes lloyd is extra record 12 boss

[visual topaz]

only adv lineup

exppc/ib are the same

[solemn berry]

[carmine reef]

I mean that i thought this week was ephi

[visual topaz]

first time seeing my alt on LB and scoring +30M

[carmine reef]

Or was that last week

[visual topaz]

this week ephi

[carmine reef]

Ok so I'm right

[visual topaz]

last week was monzano

[carmine reef]

So wtf ely talking about

[solemn berry]

Ok who's melinoe

[carmine reef]

[solemn berry]

I recognise everyone ehre

[visual topaz]

melinoe

[solemn berry]

Is ephi melinoe?

[visual topaz]

no

[carmine reef]

Melinoe is melinoe

[visual topaz]

ephialtes is lloyd

[solemn berry]

Ok

[visual topaz]

melinoe is upcoming boss

she*

[solemn berry]

Ok

i would have assumed

[visual topaz]

CH38

37 is Liv

[solemn berry]

What ele is melanoma

Ok

Thank

Unthanks

Fck you

[upbeat phoenix]

who

[spiral merlin]

melinoe

liv patch boss

[deft apex]

She's dark yes

Same hp as overseer

[visual topaz]

[noble zinc]

Gimee sss cub aa

That's full sss gang

[visual topaz]

NA dispatch so dead

[visual topaz]

Liffu cub only SS?

[noble zinc]

Yes

[hoary dagger]

Outdated, it's 10/10/11 now

[noble zinc]

Nana too

[limber yoke]

K hax

Im washed

[visual topaz]

[noble zinc]

Difficulty+ seems cub need to use insta

For edb

[visual topaz]

wait

you can't even backpull cub

since it was limited

[noble zinc]

[visual topaz]

oh nvm it was terb set getting recycled to liffu

[normal sierra]

but can still get it with cub shards

[noble zinc]

And how many sacrifice would it take for this f2p

[normal sierra]

only this much 🤏

[stray siren]

🤏

[noble zinc]

Does 3p of weather triggers with hold dodge of liv

[limber yoke]

that doesnt 3p tho

[noble zinc]

yea

This weather be trash for 3s nana

Also for liv first rots

Seems

[stray siren]

Should, it might be like Karen's Hold BA

[noble zinc]

[stray siren]

You can compare it using Darwin

It's the closest thing to knowing whether or not it counts as pings

[noble zinc]

[stray siren]

Someday the test dummy will have the weathers and modifiers from WZ trust

Now I remember that a Russian player made a program to obtain some data from PGR characters during battle

[noble zinc]

There's a delay can't insta 3p on switch wtf

[green arrow]

What resonance skills are recommended for new Teddy?

[noble zinc]

Memo or wpn

[stray siren]

Pet

[stray siren]

Memos:

ATK 15 top

Ulti bottom

Weapon:

Matrix Lightning

Incan

Third one is not necessary at the moment

[green arrow]

Atk and hp or atk and defense

[rose yew]

Atk crit

[green arrow]

only physical characters crit

[carmine roost]

Atk and wtvr

[distant wren]

Nah only elements crit, phys don't

Trust me bro fr fr fr

[wanton hatch]

[round lake]

Khaled just died wtf

[wanton hatch]

what even happened

my future bracket mate nooo

[noble zinc]

Banned?

[wanton hatch]

he didn't do anything

[rose yew]

Who’s khaled

[distant wren]

He posted a...let's say not appropriate thing in this server specifically

[round lake]

[crystal rune]

[wanton hatch]

[noble zinc]

Qu's fault

[stray siren]

[solemn berry]

What was it

Oh nvm

Looked at ls I saw it

Unkiwi just to forcekiwi

[sturdy nimbus]

what's the rot of these two? never played them

[plain oyster]

[ionic jasper]

for amp, einsteina or guinevere?

[solemn berry]

As a person who owned and main both of them, you just basic attack until you can do core or ult tbh

[normal sierra]

ploom rota is dodge cancel + basic spam between every 3 pings

[solemn berry]

By the time I realised how the game actually worked she was already powercrept

[normal sierra]

and do it fast, otherwise it won't generate orbs

if you want a reference vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5-4GBYb7oQ

[solemn berry]

I remember my ppc ploom days

Mostly against huaxu is what I remember

[normal sierra]

but I bet that garbo trial ploom has no hanna, so she needs even more orbs

[solemn berry]

Was SS plume isnt worth it

[normal sierra]

worth or not, she was the best we got back then

[steady otter]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-siren-dawg-with-the-light-on-him-sailorzoop-dog-gif-2844905554045249724

[normal sierra]

actually, I remember sss passive bricc some ppc runs until they added that type selection for her much later lul

[steady otter]

First release, no changyu no hypnoss
That was a mistake

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936178936684109835/1456596658841194682/32EEB1992E36574DC350586D43AEC76F.gif

[rose yew]

Still waiting on S rank pulao frame

That one specific server been way too quiet

[normal sierra]

pulao gave up the fight and opened a dango shop instead
now she lives a happy life surrounded with sweetness instead of metal and blood

[round lake]

No such things as new Ioli frame in this game

The sooner u realize that the better

[rose yew]

Kuso game indeed

[golden merlin]

[pure crystal]

I don’t hv Ishmael,so who can replace her in lightning team? ( Liv / Nanami / ? )

[wanton hatch]

21 feral

or if also don't have that then highest invest amp u can use

[pure crystal]

Lilith ok?

my feral S0 and no sign

[wanton hatch]

lilith it is then

[stray siren]

Feral or any amp 2 resos, if Lilith SSS then Lilith

[pure crystal]

How bout her memory? For lilith

[stray siren]

4 dv 4 guin

[pure crystal]

Aight Thanks @stray siren @wanton hatch

https://tenor.com/view/luna-luna-cat-rotate-spinning-watermelon-gif-872129991950915616

[wanton hatch]

[stray siren]

[steady otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/998700689964400710.webp?size=128&quality=lossless&name=MenheraBonk&animated=true

https://tenor.com/view/mwah-miku-deco27-monitoring-monitoringu-gif-13267619147746955994

[rose yew]

is that muse dash

[unkempt grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/mommy-silverpalace-palace-silver-step-gif-14580152087873854973

[steady otter]

Project diva mega mix

[cobalt prawn]

Anyone got ss3 liv / sss nana lightning wz rot? I forgor

[wanton hatch]

I used this one

https://youtu.be/TccPHiQBGv0?si=eP_FLa4RcLW1kWRP

[cobalt prawn]

Thxxx

Oh he goes straight into yellow orb for 2nd nana ult

Thought u need 3 ping to activate weather

[wanton hatch]

try doing a 3p, idk if this was same weather

old vid

[noble zinc]

]\

[dawn cloak]

Yes u do but, u lose 1 sec that way
And it goes over 12 sec swap cooldown

[peak halo]

Nanami sht dmg on 2nd ult anyway cuz out of amp buff
Who the hell desinged her like that😭

When lightning amp😭

[limber yoke]

Never

[radiant panther]

ah fuh another missed daily 🥀

[median shell]

Nana used to be broken

[wanton hatch]

she's blind

literally

[peak halo]

Like everything before

[wanton hatch]

where even did I go

[peak halo]

[noble zinc]

see this

[graceful summit]

[cold walrus]

nanami is bad in current meta, but we don't have a proper light amp.

[graceful summit]

[cold walrus]

she actually can fit 2nd ult in 10s

[wanton hatch]

oh god

[peak halo]

Without cottie?

[cold walrus]

but you need to 3p x2 before swap, and then you need perfect swap or enemy attack/lightning strike to interrupt swap animation

[cold walrus]

yeah without cottie

[peak halo]

[dawn cloak]

Might be helpful for ya @wanton hatch ☝️

[wanton hatch]

oh nice tnx lao

[slate gull]

yo i found nanami in wuwa

[dawn cloak]

Shes an idol now 😭

[carmine roost]

We didn't know how bad we had Nanami especially for PPC because that's all we had

.

.

[slate gull]

im like

[dawn cloak]

She transform to robot midfight
~~ better than Firefly ~~

[stray siren]

That's why PGR is getting 4 Veros in a row

[slate gull]

that's where all the budget went to huh. all for nanami

[dawn cloak]

[carmine roost]

Sagemachina just got a new upgrade

A shiny one

[slate gull]

gundams are getting powercrept with this one

[carmine roost]

The next upgrade she wouldn't even need to wear the armour

She'll use personal hologram to control multiple suits like ironman

[slate gull]

but you need to pull for each hologram

[carmine roost]

[true pivot]

shes just gonna appear without wearing anything

[crystal rune]

[simple dew]

we had lcw

[round lake]

Whats this Nanami slander

[solemn berry]

YES YES YES

I HAVE WIFI

[sonic tide]

yeah man the OG pgr teams move to wuwa

[solemn berry]

I CAN DOWNLOAD THE GAME

[ashen parcel]

So Darkflow is a stronger Attribute than fire?

[solemn berry]

Generally iirc attributes are pretty strong compared to elements

But uhh

Fire isn't an attribute

[rotund fox]

Ew attributes

this isn't W*Wa

[true pivot]

generally affixes are stronger than main elements due to their insane increases in multipliers and gimmick

[solemn berry]

Darkflow and radiance is an attribute though no?

The others are affixes

[cold walrus]

Glacio and plasma

[crystal rune]

[cold walrus]

23m in light when

[true pivot]

i mean, glacio and ion was better than old ice and lightning

[crystal rune]

[solemn berry]

I remember those days

[true pivot]

powercreep happened

[crystal rune]

im sorry i didnt luck sac the best light zone across all regions

[true pivot]

now dark is ahead of darkflow

[solemn berry]

Back when I had a functioning liver

Good tjmes

[cold walrus]

For the first time eu got the godlike zone

[crystal rune]

when will sea get one

[true pivot]

25m lightning when

[crystal rune]

bad zone after bad zones

[cold walrus]

Sea usually has better zones tho

[true pivot]

oh boy i cant wait for more mob wzs

[crystal rune]

but its not the best

[solemn berry]

The closer you are to china the more kuro likes you

[true pivot]

i think eu had a burn zone pretty close to sea

[solemn berry]

Severe debuff if they had a specific zone in the philippines

[true pivot]

just that the person on eu didnt know about the vera ender qte

[solemn berry]

Oh great politics I'm getting banned

I'm meeting khaled

[cold walrus]

Yeah burn was good too. But burn can have different routings depending on breakpoints, so it's hard to say was it good zone or not

[true pivot]

i was looking at the eu video and the qtes seemed randomly pressed

[cold walrus]

What vid

[true pivot]

was neo's burn 17m

old stuff

[cold walrus]

Idk. Probably slacked

[true pivot]

i got 17.5 sea

i cant really judge most zones than that time cause i had played on it

so unfortunately i personally think that time eu had the best zone of gbl

cant say the same for the rest

maybe i should try eu some day

the brickest brick in all of pgr

[ashen parcel]

Whats the ice team rotation with luna

can someone link me

[round lake]

There's Ice team rot with Luna?

Or do u mean Luna in Mado PPC

[ashen parcel]

So like Teddy, Wanshi, luna

[round lake]

There's no point using Luna in that team

Bring another Amp instead and let them stay QTE slave forever unless that's SSS Vera

[ashen parcel]

I see ok

[ashen parcel]

If i use vera what's the memories

normal?

[round lake]

Guin DV, the usual

[ashen parcel]

ok

ty

[round lake]

Some ppl can run 2 Guin 2 Eins 4 DV

[ashen parcel]

Oh class or sig?

[round lake]

Class

[ashen parcel]

ok gotcha

[round lake]

Shouldn't matter either way

But well, Vera can use this in Ignition so not a waste

Don't hypertune tho

[ashen parcel]

Ok

[ashen parcel]

Last quetions how do i get teddy to use radiance?

once its built up

like do i hold sig or anything?

[round lake]

She can't

[ashen parcel]

huh?

[round lake]

Her only job is to build stack then swap out

[ashen parcel]

ohhhh

cause she's amp

WOOOOW

[round lake]

Cause she's shafted by Kusogames

[ashen parcel]

So Bianca uses radiance

[round lake]

We could have gotten sub DPS enabler like Vera or Nanami but guess it's too good to be true

[ashen parcel]

Alright ty

ohhhhhhhh ok

i see radiance build up dmg now

[ashen parcel]

Now i'm thinking we dont have radiance tank? can you run two amps like is it possible to run Lilith/Teddy/Bianca?

no thats dumb

[graceful summit]

Just run nanami

Like how plasma run nanami

[ashen parcel]

Don't have

[graceful summit]

No nanami

Literally

[ashen parcel]

Ur bricked

One day Nanami will be bricked

[verbal forge]

They release another nanami

Nana never 🧱

[crystal rune]

nanami is already bricked

[graceful summit]

[verbal forge]

Just s+

[crystal rune]

nothing can fix nanami

[verbal forge]

[feral flume]

Pgr whel funds goes to another nanami in wuwa

[pallid cypress]

Out of curiosity do You consider liv "buffed" after vera came out due to the fact that in ppc fire team is better off with double amplifier and vera as DPS?

[verbal forge]

Its not that she's buffed, its that she as a qte provides amp buff, rather than having an attacker that the main focus is just deal dmg

[pallid cypress]

Well in this case buffed means that she still has a place in the team

And not entirely pushed out

[verbal forge]

Will depend on investment but only for ppc

[round lake]

Old Amps do have a niche in some cases like that yeah

[pallid cypress]

I have R3 vera and i think the team still works great on warzone

[round lake]

U could, theoretically, run Lilith Selena Rosetta next patch if Ros is better than Midianca

Cappuccino yes

[crystal rune]

[verbal forge]

My s+ cappuccino is ready

[crystal rune]

doubtful

[limber yoke]

ew

[true pivot]

cap needs sig mem iirc?

[limber yoke]

no sss daren sucks

[round lake]

If for some reason someone still have Cappuccino SSS R2, Lilith R1, then she's definitely their choice

[limber yoke]

might as well fodder selena sig to lilith

[round lake]

Now I sure hope they don't fumble Ros at low invest

[true pivot]

yea she needs sig mem

[round lake]

Wow trash

I don't even remember how bad she is

[limber yoke]

bad enough to fodder her sig

[round lake]

My R3 Teddy will work just fine in this place

[true pivot]

funny sss tho

[limber yoke]

also bad at guin buff

[true pivot]

i guess she gives like 30% dark dmg?

its like 10% more than lilith if im not mistaken

[ashen parcel]

I wish u could bind outfits to loadouts

ugh

[hoary dagger]

I fodder r3 Capri sig to limpdiddy

[verbal forge]

[sonic tide]

[peak halo]

I not had capri
Never intended to grind her that time

[limber yoke]

k whel

[carmine roost]

My turn

[crystal rune]

[verbal forge]

Gives me empy weapon

[carmine roost]

No

[verbal forge]

[golden nacelle]

hero score higher than legend

[crystal rune]

remove bugged waves scaling

bring back 1hp repairers

[golden nacelle]

fat score

[crystal rune]

now i want to drop to hero to get better scores on certains teams

[crimson swan]

[golden nacelle]

btw about the wave bug well it doesnt spam tankiest mobs from w55 as i thought

for example this na lightning it spams gear

not polar bear

[crystal rune]

we killed too many last week they became extinct

[stray siren]

My hypothesis is that it's due to the shields

Legend shields take more time and more damage, and don't award any score. So, in hero allows you to reach the ceiling faster

[graceful summit]

I'm so washed
What score should be for 232 001 Luna wata ish

[plain oyster]

[solemn berry]

15 minutes into the download

I've downloaded 22gb

[upbeat phoenix]

anybody have darkflow rotation?

[golden nacelle]

[upbeat phoenix]

hmm

vera sig seems to be important for darkflow

which I dont have

[plain oyster]

No vera sig

[round lake]

And Fire

Two teams down

[gray totem]

Conceive, if thou canst, the plight of engaging Darkflow or the fire-bound host whilst lacking Vera’s sovereign sig

[golden nacelle]

[upbeat phoenix]

Nah, my fire rotation works fine without Vera sig

Its just that darkflow does like three vera rotations in a row when I can only do 1

[upbeat phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-cut-him-down-tear-him-apart-splay-the-gore-gif-16211356125689318290

[round lake]

4x DPS down btw compare with having Sig

For Copeflow u can run Hervor if u want 3 rots

Thats the way to go for low invest Vera anyway

[upbeat phoenix]

Yeah, Pyroath is my main dps because of that

[round lake]

[upbeat phoenix]

I see

Should I prioritize Nanami sig or Vera sig if I were to go for one?

[rotund fox]

Fk Nanami

[gray totem]

It would be most prudent to acquire Nanami’s signature, given that she is employed across four distinct teams. In two of these ensembles she assumes the role of principal DPS, commanding the field with decisive force; in another she contributes as a sub‑DPS, offering reliable support to the main assault. Such versatility renders her an invaluable asset to any composition.

[rotund fox]

My wife wants her sig

[round lake]

Do u have Liv w Sig

[upbeat phoenix]

did you buy a new thesaurus or something

[upbeat phoenix]

Yes

[carmine roost]

How long does teddy patch have going since update

[round lake]

Sigless Nana is acceptable when Liv can solo

[upbeat phoenix]

Main DPS where lol? Ignition?

[carmine roost]

I've lost my sense of time once again

[round lake]

But Fire is hardly acceptable without Vera Sig

[rotund fox]

Just measure it with a ruler smh

so dumb you are

[gray totem]

Would you truly betray your esteemed wife Nanami, Penguin, and abandon the solemn vows of fidelity for liv?

[round lake]

I should forget my biased in meta help

[carmine roost]

It's like your peni paper

Even a ruler cant measure because it's incompressible

[rotund fox]

Why are you talking about my peni?

[carmine roost]

Anyway any answers

[rotund fox]

Do you want it?

Are you gae?

Do you want to be diddled or be the diddler?

[plain oyster]

[graceful summit]

18 days since patch starts

[carmine roost]

Thank you

[gray totem]

You appear to have overlooked the significance of Burn, Ion, and Raydiance; to disregard her signature would assuredly set in motion a series of cascading effects, each compounding upon the other, and thereby diminishing the strength of all teams reliant upon her.

[plain oyster]

Oh nah

[carmine roost]

"the significant"

[round lake]

Well its just those teams are so mid in general

[crystal rune]

it that fcking khaled

[round lake]

Burn is strong but not really because of Nana dmg

[plain oyster]

Oh wait its khaled

[round lake]

Oh

[wanton hatch]

watdahell

[round lake]

Fck this guy

[wanton hatch]

hi unknown door

[round lake]

I've been played with

[graceful summit]

[carmine roost]

Isn't that Khaled guy been talking about kiwi before in here

Or was that different guy

What's he doing

[solemn berry]

Wdym

That's door kun

[round lake]

Same one and he revived himself but then died to automod

[graceful summit]

[solemn berry]

I have 3 accs here

[graceful summit]

[gray totem]

Pray, who is this Khaled thou namest, and what tale attendeth his name?

[solemn berry]

We the best music

[carmine roost]

Bruh

[gray totem]

im Door-Kun

[carmine roost]

So he made an alt just to bypass automod

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1447168543555846194/1420032024411902074-1.webp?ex=6936a43b&is=693552bb&hm=21357e30152caa6c52c1bd7e1d2d05d3f7b76a53ac883ec001f330cfefbf38a4&

[crystal rune]

no one has to know

[graceful summit]

Wdym it's always has been door kun

He definitely does not have a past self

[solemn berry]

Just like how I'm Cameron

[true pivot]

like how im yommy

[solemn berry]

themommy

[wanton hatch]

yomm's a mommy?

[rose yew]

Yomm is yummy?

[wanton hatch]

only one way to find out

[verbal forge]

[solemn berry]

Another win for the blind

[graceful summit]

[solemn berry]

Anyway

What's

N m I already asked

[wanton hatch]

[solemn berry]

Kinda seems like a pain

[true pivot]

whats that mean

LuciaSusLook

[solemn berry]

Yomm

We have to chop you up

I'm sorry

[rose yew]

Asimov wants a piece of you

[wanton hatch]

[solemn berry]

Levi no

[true pivot]

lunadoge

all you get are skin and bones

0% fat

[solemn berry]

Don't worry I like the bones

[wanton hatch]

any bone marrow?

[true pivot]

uhh

theres an extra bone

[wanton hatch]

[gray totem]

Is there perchance a video that showeth how Teddy may be wielded in Ice, at the humble station of SS0 R0?

[true pivot]

uhh its like ss3

her rot changes at 3s6, otherwise not much difference

so

swap in > yellow (you can press any orbs it auto pings yellow at slot 1 anyways) > ult

hold basic > blue > ult (remember to release hold basic before ult cause its priority for some reason)

3x whites > red > ult

this part depends, but you should do only either these 4:
ryb, rby, byr, bry

3x white > red (you can press any orbs it auto pings red at slot 1 anyways)

1x basic > yellow

hold basic > blue

ult > swap out

[still moat]

aint reading allat

[crystal rune]

okay

[true pivot]

i forgot this is pgro

[carmine roost]

Pinis

Pianis

Selena Pinis

[graceful summit]

[round lake]

Midlena

[final fog]

Midlena

[graceful summit]

Midlena

[deft apex]

PEAKlena

fk haters

[wanton hatch]

midlena

[sonic tide]

Skeletonlena

[solemn berry]

Selen

[graceful summit]

Solon

[verbal forge]

[forest wind]

Absolute Cinemalena

[gray totem]

Selena abideth in mediocrity, and in a manner most dull; she is, in truth, the very embodiment of waifu slop

[verbal forge]

Leave my waifu alone

[gray totem]

Be not troubled; though I think but lowly of her, Qu, Bianca, and Lucia sink beneath her still.

[verbal forge]

[deft apex]

are we competitive hating now?

[plain oyster]

[forest wind]

I highly disagree, she is the very definition of a elegance, a woman of high standard and full of class

[verbal forge]

[crystal rune]

mid

[plain oyster]

[forest wind]

[stray siren]

[crystal rune]

[rotund fox]

YommyTheMommy swears

you can't say bad words

[gray trench]

does Aegis need her sig?

[final fog]

No but its useful due to harmony

[gray totem]

Every unit hath need of its sig; yet she, in truth, may perform her rotation without it.

[forest wind]

She, alongside Vera, Startrail and Wanshi are one of the few that can function well without their sig
Mainly because the effect isn't that too gamebreaking, although if one can get it, it will be a huge help since it give access to resonance

[plain oyster]

[crystal rune]

vera does not function well without sig

[forest wind]

unc got field time with it

[plain oyster]

[round lake]

No unit fuction well without their Sig

[dawn cloak]

~~ Veronica ~~

More like still shiet even after got her sig

[round lake]

Ah she sucks even with Sig

[dawn cloak]

[hazy sandal]

TS video soon

[plain oyster]

[mighty tusk]

Ss rosetta dumpster fires sss vergil?

And you hated dmc too

[radiant panther]

Is this the right setup for NIhil? I forgot who to start the run

[buoyant hornet]

@deft apexare we gonna drop the updated comps infograph after rose or before her?

[buoyant hornet]

yeah

[deft apex]

uhh

ask mycledra

[buoyant hornet]

he's still MIA

Idk what happened

[graceful summit]

Ig use ga instead of dlt on luna
The rest is good

[stray siren]

Try 4 elemental memos on Ish instead Sothoth

And 2 Eins on Luna

[buoyant hornet]

with ss0 ish so far it still seems to give worse results for me but it's not too far off

[true pivot]

are you running a 3s luna

[buoyant hornet]

nope ss3

[stray siren]

I think SS0/3's kick is more beneficial than her ultimate

[radiant panther]

I did change

[true pivot]

then yea, shred mem not really worth

[radiant panther]

Applicable on SS0?

[stray siren]

From what I read rn, nope

[true pivot]

works fly when 3s does off-fielding ticks

[buoyant hornet]

I did expect heisen to perform better and it was comparable but it ended up bricking too many breakpoints compared to just sothoth

[stray siren]

So is ok

[brittle tundra]

guys do i want to use SS Ishmael over SS3 Feral?

[radiant panther]

Aight Im stick to it

[buoyant hornet]

It still scored well just worse than soth

[buoyant hornet]

ah

[graceful summit]

Ishmael yes
Ss3 feral not really add additional support capability over ss0 so
Ish better

[stray siren]

[brittle tundra]

whats the rotation?

[graceful summit]

Full invest?

[true pivot]

hmm im still wondering whats with ishmael over feral

cuz like

doesnt sothoth give ishmael the ability to copy amp buffs

[stray siren]

Nope

[true pivot]

so she ends up running soth dv

[brittle tundra]

uh define full invest

[deft apex]

oh he is?

[graceful summit]

The full team investment

[true pivot]

icic

[dawn cloak]

[deft apex]

well either way is fine

[dawn cloak]

Wait youre Yomm!?

[true pivot]

whos yomm

[deft apex]

i don't have his sheet though

[stray siren]

Soth only allows you to heal after ulti, which is good for Guin and elemental buff

[buoyant hornet]

oh lol

[true pivot]

cuz like

[deft apex]

i only have the barebones version

[true pivot]

if she uses soth doesnt she like, maintain ele buff

[buoyant hornet]

She copies them regardless she just doesn't leave a heal field without sothoth

[true pivot]

o

[fading kestrel]

whats the verdict on v3

[buoyant hornet]

dark is questionable, trueslash good

[true pivot]

so sothoth is consistent, but dv guin still better?

[fading kestrel]

qte still a mess?

[buoyant hornet]

definitely

[buoyant hornet]

yeah they did nothing for that

[true pivot]

trueslash went to w74 and broke the scores

[fading kestrel]

awesome

there is no flawed character in ba sing se

[true pivot]

like what is supposed to be a 37m score became like 5.6m

[fading kestrel]

wasnt the breakpoint w55. what happened to that

[stray siren]

Elemental buff is 20% iirc

DV is 30%

Guin 25%

[dawn cloak]

Sothoth needed as tank bcs shred field
But gen3 amp have heal field, so Soth allows Ish to have that
But thats not really as important

[true pivot]

rorrythink

[dawn cloak]

Ish still buff elemental cuz buff sticks to us
Not sticks to enemies

[true pivot]

then in a sense, isnt feral better?

she gets 20, 30, 25

[dawn cloak]

No
Slow af eins application

[true pivot]

while ishmael dv guin only 30, 25

[dawn cloak]

Bruh. Ish buffs ele still without sothoth
Same as she shred even withouth sothoth

Its just the field

[true pivot]

oh right

[dawn cloak]

No shred field
It doesnt mean no shred

[true pivot]

isnt ish qte hits like awfully slow as well

[dawn cloak]

Same as no heal field
Doesnt mean she doesnt heal buff

[dawn cloak]

Not as slow as gen 2 ig
But yea not the best for gen3

[true pivot]

i sometimes have to precast like 0.7s before a new wave even spawns

[buoyant hornet]

well depending on context yes, but she does leave a dmg field regardless of her role or memories

If all you need is applying shred reso and/or 4pc shred mems, soth isn't needed

If elemental shred then it's mandatory

[gray totem]

What sayest thou of 4 Da Vinci, 2 Guinevere, and 2 Einsteina?

[dawn cloak]

Yes. And I remember back then my unit dont get buff cuz Ish qte is on enemies
My unit was 9999km away from the boss

[true pivot]

wait, why are you running eins on lightning

hol up

feral isnt even the one holding eins

thats nanami's job

[buoyant hornet]

they work the exact same it's just annoying qte properties like ishmael's heal buff not applying when liv creates a big ass gap between her and targeted enemies during hold basic

[gray totem]

[brittle tundra]

Liv - 4 sig + 2 + 2 Cottie
Ishmael - 4 sig + 2 + 2 Cottie
Nanami - 4 sig + 2 Heisen (im missing her weapon)

[dawn cloak]

~~ Nana holds 4dv soon ~~

[graceful summit]

[buoyant hornet]

about as good as feral afaik

[graceful summit]

Oh no liv natasha

[dawn cloak]

SSS+ bricked

[true pivot]

im running
leaf 4 heisen 4 cottie
nani 4herschell 2cottie 2 eins
9+10 4dv 4guin

[buoyant hornet]

depends on zone and overall strat

[stray siren]

It's an extra effect of Hyperspace Realm, not an effect linked to the class

[dawn cloak]

Trust lightning amp have off field like Teddy
So they can apply 4 Heisen better unlike Vera

[sonic tide]

Well in warzone if ur ish tank never discard sothoth

[true pivot]

like sig mems for tank shred on their fields then

[stray siren]

Class tank is not linked to Sothoth

[gray totem]

is this rumored 3 ult nanami rot i have heard about?

[true pivot]

the elemental shred

the class shred ik doesnt need to

[dawn cloak]

Sothoth only make her field shred/heal

Else its just a normal dmg field

[true pivot]

indeed

[true pivot]

rorrythink

icic

[sonic tide]

Yeah which crucial if u use her as tank in wz

[limber yoke]

k whel

[dawn cloak]

Hence only recently non soth Ish warzone run is found

[gray totem]

Hast thou a video to show forth the manner of the deed?

[sonic tide]

🪞 bro score higher than me the audacity

[dawn cloak]

Cuz Ish was always the tank
Now she can be as good as amp

[gray totem]

you have my curiosity

[limber yoke]

idk what ur talking about

[true pivot]

i dont have vid go find other dalaos

[sonic tide]

[limber yoke]

ur overal is higher

[sonic tide]

No im not

[dawn cloak]

Theres a with dlt needed and no dlt needed variant

[true pivot]

3 ult nanami needs dlt..?

[buoyant hornet]

I'm about to upload it

[gray totem]

show

[sonic tide]

Unless ish the amp yeah no tank ish remove sothoth

[stray siren]

I mean, If you wanted Ish to function as Amp, you would also have to use an ultimate per rotation too

Imagine that on Ice Pre Teddy

[buoyant hornet]

yes

[sonic tide]

No

[true pivot]

huh since when does she need dlt on 3 ult

[graceful summit]

The duality

[sonic tide]

I dnt use dlt

[true pivot]

she doesnt even need that on burn unless its 4 ult

[gray totem]

u have my outmost gratitude

[limber yoke]

wats ur void

[sonic tide]

Ss0 all 5m

[limber yoke]

k whel

[buoyant hornet]

Do you do 3ult on her first swap or not?

[sonic tide]

Yeah

[true pivot]

wot

[sonic tide]

Wait first swap why

[true pivot]

you do 3 ult first swap?

[sonic tide]

I thought second

Me brain in midnight

[true pivot]

doesnt her first swap do a single rot

[sonic tide]

Yeah just first jump

[dawn cloak]

#📨・meta-help message

[sonic tide]

Anyway u already hit 11.3m with teddy anyway

Dalao teach

[buoyant hornet]

yeah, start of run I do liv double or single rot then nanami 3ult afterwards

[limber yoke]

idk it just happens

[true pivot]

worrysetta

[sonic tide]

Ngl nihil mob's is the worst

[sonic tide]

Start of run i do 1 ult nana 3 ult liv

[true pivot]

i cant believe w39 is a huge bloody wall of pain

[sonic tide]

lao

[true pivot]

i hit w39 and saw the void shield and just give up

i aint malding all that

[sonic tide]

I mean it is per 3 wave

[gray totem]

i have nowhere to pin this oh well

[buoyant hornet]

I tried nanami openers before and they've always shown to be a bit worse than liv openers, probably tied to her hitbox inconsistency lmao

[true pivot]

well 1 nanami 3 liv starter is for ss3 liv

[sonic tide]

Now lemme ask liv ss3 or ss0

[sonic tide]

Was about to ask tht

[buoyant hornet]

ss0

[sonic tide]

Ah no wonder

[buoyant hornet]

I'm considering using the ss3 shards now

[sonic tide]

Sss or no rights

[buoyant hornet]

But idk if I wanna learn her 3rot now

[true pivot]

sp delay time

have you sp delay yet

ss0 needs that

[radiant panther]

worth it

[buoyant hornet]

doesn't need it actually sometimes ruins some breakpoints due to how qte timings align

[true pivot]

then you just lose out on swap times

[buoyant hornet]

yeah but the extra finishers may not matter if a bad early breakpoint causes a permanent -1 wave throught the run

That's what sometimes happen if you sp delay every single swap on liv

[true pivot]

but you lose out on more swaps in time

[buoyant hornet]

In my run I was forced to even using lightning strike on liv's 1st swap because it led to a full wave kill that led to a +1 wave throughout the entire run

[true pivot]

which in turn = less rotations

[buoyant hornet]

It's funny

Things just lined up that way

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah but if for example I sacrifice damage on a wave in return for speed, then the subsequent extra field time from saving time doesn't lead to wave benefit

Then it doesn't do anything

[true pivot]

but liv's first swap cant sp delay on her start?

[buoyant hornet]

It completely depends on run

Also nanami 3ult leads to that scenario sometimes where you're forced to waste 2 slams on one wave if you don't get a +1 wave earlier

[dawn cloak]

~~ moar reason to not sp delay ~~

[buoyant hornet]

And that 2nd slam can kill an entire wave

[true pivot]

but

you still lose out on swap time

[sonic tide]

I dnt rlly bother unless sss liv or i hab sss nana which i dnt for both

[true pivot]

that i dont get

[sonic tide]

Not mood play lightning especially df

[true pivot]

its like running 3s wata is better than just nanami ss3 vero

[sonic tide]

[true pivot]

more swaps = more rots = more dmg no?

[sonic tide]

Well yes if u can always sp delay u score higher

Unless the bear jump

[buoyant hornet]

that's different though, 3S wata extends total run field time by a lot

SS0 liv sp delay only accounts for one extra nanami ult without a slam on last swap

[true pivot]

well feyer doesnt think sp delay scores higher

so im just confused now

[sonic tide]

Well idk bout ss0 thou

Cuz i k lib mid ss0

[buoyant hornet]

I'm not saying it doesn't score higher, just saying some runs may need to not ALWAYS do sp delay every time

For the sake of breakpoints

But using sp delay when it doesn't harm breakpoints is good

[true pivot]

with ss0 sp delay you should be doing a short liv rot at the end with 4s left

[stray siren]

Sometimes speed is the most important factor, let me find something

[buoyant hornet]

@true pivotfor example

on my run on liv's 1st swap I found that doing hold dodge before the 2nd ult1 leads to a permanent +1 wave carryover

Skipping hold dodge on that swap allows nanami an extra slam at the end, BUT that slam ends up landing on w34 + ult doesn't kill w35

Meanwhile with hold dodge nanami gets less field time on the finisher swap but it all lands on w36 so adds up to more score

[buoyant hornet]

Well that'd need dlt which I never tried using tbh

I've just been running glorious

[true pivot]

so...

youve never done sp delay

at least, with that

[buoyant hornet]

No I do it

Just don't do extra liv rot on her last swap

Not enough orbs for that = energy deficit

Doesn't allow ult2 to fire

[true pivot]

you can just 3p > hd > ult2

thats enough sp

[buoyant hornet]

yeah she lacks just enough orbs without dlt for that

Even if I hold dodge before it

[true pivot]

so its not sp delay all the way then, since you arent using dlt

[buoyant hornet]

Runs out of orbs since sp delay ss0 still ends up eating an extra 3blue every long rot