📨・meta-help

[vital nova]

f2p no rights

[tacit tiger]

Fate pullers

They exist

[plain oyster]

I-

[orchid owl]

F2p or just rather not brick

Though I admit me getting SSS vero was worse than if I got bianca to SSS
Nevertheless it wasn't planned

[orchid owl]

At least ignition feels nice

[peak halo]

I only get cuz ignition
Also alisa became useless on phys to me

[orchid owl]

Well yeah with equal invest vero that do be the case

[keen sable]

oh my

sss ishmael still worth it

[peak halo]

When was not

[carmine roost]

Why SSS ish when u can just get SSS horse

[peak halo]

I get both

So

[carmine roost]

[meager sleet]

What composition that could make ish goes breaker

[carmine roost]

Probably just to replicate dark tank

Ish Lilith Luna/bianca

[tacit tiger]

Think about the future releases

[carmine roost]

Although, just like vera

Cuz she deal dmg, you'll never replace her

[orchid owl]

Lilith amp

[carmine roost]

Probably

[peak halo]

So lilithge back to high rank nihil

[tacit tiger]

Teddy would be happy

[meager sleet]

[tacit tiger]

[dense depot]

how many shards are needed for cub evo from 2s to 3s?

[peak halo]

I hope this patch we get nihil in wz
Want teddy as amp

[tacit tiger]

4 cubs

[carmine roost]

SSS wata is still broken tho

[graceful summit]

Hmm
So 7.5 ish can do with full ss3 team

[carmine roost]

As much as Rosetta shred is broken, it's still limited to time

[graceful summit]

Maybe more if I feel like malding a lot

[peak halo]

Donno i forgot to try wata

[spiral merlin]

For Rosetta to be truly worth over ish at the point she's at rn she needs to have good shred field

We don't even know if she has a good shred field yet

Even if not that's a 60k bc sink for smth that could be 0

[peak halo]

Cuz everyone with wata i know is ss0/3 ish haver

High ranks use vera

[carmine roost]

I use SSS wata with ss0 ish

SSS Lilith worse

[peak halo]

Thats true

Cuz copied daren shred and no cd reductions

[vital nova]

it seems like radiance has stack issues

[carmine roost]

Huh

When

Where

[vital nova]

teddy gives 10 stack and bonca quickly consumes them all before ult

[carmine roost]

Uhhh

That's exactly how it works

[vital nova]

ok but then bonca's next rot has no stacks

[carmine roost]

that's where you do 2nd rot

To build more stack

Did u forgot 0 stack Bianca will build up stack by her own with full rotation?

[vital nova]

yeah I know

I thought not consuming stack means less dmg

[carmine roost]

It is less dmg

[vital nova]

so bonca do 3 ult before swapping out?

[carmine roost]

You're limited by orb, not by ray stacks

[carmine roost]

That or 5 if you don't run out of orb

Never do 2 or 4 with only SS teddy cuz that means you're swapping out with a full stack (useless for anyone besides Bianca)

[vital nova]

I have ss3 teddy

[graceful summit]

Yeah
Teddy's ult can't even deal ray damage
They truly want her as support

[carmine roost]

It's only between any teddy or SSS teddy

No SSS , no rights

[vital nova]

good thing I can get her sss after new years

voucher shop reset

what sss do anyway

[slender scarab]

Raises stack cap to 20

[vital nova]

so that allows 2 buffed bonca rot

[carmine roost]

Teddy building
2 buffed rot
1 building rot
2 buffed rot
Swap out

[graceful summit]

I forgot I used wanshi eins build last time
Now it's actually looking good

Still fked up a lot of times

[carmine roost]

Icelao

[vital nova]

wait sss teddy allows bonca to build 20 stack by herself??

holy shid

[carmine roost]

I mean yh

That's pretty much how affix stacking goes

It just that it was at SS3 before

[vital nova]

i assumed only teddy can build 20 stack

[crystal rune]

naur she just unlocks ray stacks cap

[carmine roost]

Welp

Bye

I died

[sturdy nimbus]

can ss3 vera ult 2nd time with only 1 3p blue vs ss vera 2x 3p?

[buoyant hornet]

Bro is her onfield damage really that bad in v1 for her to be forced to be qte bot on most invests

[spiral merlin]

Seems so

[buoyant hornet]

Have you seen the 2.123 runs? They literally field her for like 2 seconds

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah this has to be the most disastrous v1 I've ever witnessed

Literally nothing is going well lmao

[spiral merlin]

I said before new dark tank literally only just needs to exist and dark is saved

Might have cursed it

[buoyant hornet]

New pgr era slop gameplay incoming

[buoyant hornet]

I wanna have some fraction of faith that kuro will extend beta sufficiently to make major changes before live release but like

There's more instances of them NOT doing that

[spiral merlin]

There's little chance this qte thing changes

This is what kuro have been building towards with new gen attackers and amps

[buoyant hornet]

I do expect rose's personal damage to get buffed but the qte slop at sss

Yeah

[forest wind]

This is the game where new unit kicks out old unit regardless of class
Recent example is Teddy kicking out Qu out of ice team instead of Ayla
PGR is a funny game

[buoyant hornet]

I literally do not wanna touch the current versions of sss> dark and void with a ten foot pole if they keep it this way

[forest wind]

I bet if Kamui is the new fire tank, he will kick Pyroath instead of Unc

[buoyant hornet]

Attacker qtes and off field damage are already really good as is they don't need this kind of qte carnival slop

[simple dew]

[buoyant hornet]

I mean that's always been the case really but I'm specifically talking about warzone runs from beta, especially ones tied to sss rose/ishmael

[wind hemlock]

Anyone got raydiance rotation?

[buoyant hornet]

If you watch those runs you'll realize how garbage it is

[simple dew]

doesnt her ult have like a 11k% multi

[buoyant hornet]

Unless you have sss teddy already, not really lol

Ray is really garbage in warzone rn without sss teddy and there's very little testing done to cook up an optimal rotation for her (I did test a good bit yesterday alongside someone else, but the sample pool is really small)

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah but it looks like everything else is just weak or something

[limpid spade]

bad dmg distribution i think

overkill in 1 wave , but not enough dmg on others

so just use DVC insteade

[simple dew]

oh

[buoyant hornet]

The ult itself has immaculate dmg distribution

[wind hemlock]

[buoyant hornet]

It's just nothing before it in a long rotation does enough damage to make that apparent

[simple dew]

like teddy v1?

[buoyant hornet]

I tested a myriad of different approches and the scores were pretty garbage overall lol, best I could score with ss0 teddy and ss0 bianca and ss3 nanami was 4.14m

[wind hemlock]

[buoyant hornet]

But I honestly forgot which strat gave that score lmao

[deft apex]

Teddy v1 had the crappie ult dmg distribution

Now it's actually pretty decent

[buoyant hornet]

teddy v1 ult was a war crime

[deft apex]

I have hopes still

I cannot say this enough but Rosetta is what liv should've been

Just quality wise

[buoyant hornet]

They literally have no choice but to buff rose's personal damage if literally 90% of invests prefer not to field her at all or keep her for cd filling only

[simple dew]

livs kit feels so chopped

[buoyant hornet]

But the SSS qte slop is what I'm not sure they'll fix

[simple dew]

she barely has anything

rosetta on the other hand

[forest wind]

Kuro is so focused on replacing Vergil that they forgot that they also need to replace Daren

[wind hemlock]

So her dark part won't be good?

[deft apex]

Daren lives again

So that's why they made her a different class

Not tank = not replaced

[wind hemlock]

I should quit this game

[buoyant hornet]

She's objectively good for the team but not for the reasons that a new unit should be good

Like the team will objectively score higher

But that doesn't mean her v1 is anything less than a mess

[deft apex]

Fr

Rosetta having all this very cool animations

Just to be out of field

LOL

[wind hemlock]

[forest wind]

There are 3 more changes Kuro can do
Even a number tweaks can go long way

[buoyant hornet]

Actual horrible balancing what on earth were they thinking with this entire v1

[timber umbra]

Hi my friends

[deft apex]

i want to play rosetta so bad

she's like

hyperreal

in my heart

[buoyant hornet]

nerf bianca 5ult speed
bianca still 5ult but with hold dodge and abuses rose's class passive and doesn't let rose get field time

[buoyant hornet]

hii

[timber umbra]

I hit 5.1mil in Dark Hero with 2.323 111 investment

[deft apex]

it's helicopter all over again

[timber umbra]

[deft apex]

rite of passage for every bianca

[timber umbra]

Why does Mr Rydle have 8mil on Hero with 35 waves while I have 5.1mil with 36 waves?

[buoyant hornet]

Hmm which server? That score should be pretty decent but it most likely can do a bit higher

[timber umbra]

Sorry I meant Europe

I can get to 37 waves I reckon

[buoyant hornet]

Warzone wave calculation isn't based on wave number, it involves wave tankiness and fluctuation

You can get 7m on a wave 20 tanky zone and 5m on a wave 30 squishy zone

So values change every week

[deft apex]

rosetta lived longer though

[timber umbra]

O:

[deft apex]

even plume

[timber umbra]

I thank you for the explanation

[simple dew]

lies

[timber umbra]

I recently started getting into meta and studied the memory sets so that’s why I was surprised

[buoyant hornet]

This week's score is pretty garbage on dark/ion zone so your score isn't bad but it can prolly go up a bit if you wanna mald it (I just recommend spending that time learning new ice team instead lmao)

[deft apex]

time dilation

[simple dew]

[buoyant hornet]

Feel free to ask any meta questions here and you can ping me if needed

[timber umbra]

How much higher do you think I could get?

[timber umbra]

Thank you

This is my PGR Memory Set notepad

More to be added

[forest wind]

I think they overtuned Ros' US damage
Yeah, it should be high, but not that high
Huaxu HP bar goes from 21x to 0x in the blink of an eye is damn crazy

[buoyant hornet]

Ehhh I got like 5.1 with 223 122 (ishmael tank), so accounting for my higher reso invest vs. your ss3 bianca I estimate you can get maybe 5.2-5.3m with how low scoring this zone is

[timber umbra]

I wrote all of this today

[timber umbra]

I see, I will try to aim for that much then

Here I go

[true pivot]

rosetta should have had more spreaded out damage than a singular nuke

[buoyant hornet]

Do be aware that your runs will not be very consistent because lilith's red card orb is still bugged and can completely whiff enemies even when they're inside its hitbox

[timber umbra]

Yes, mine sometimes targets air

[buoyant hornet]

Her kit dmg distribution is pretty garbage yeah

[deft apex]

ice uses any gen 3 amp right

just confirming

[buoyant hornet]

Lilith really only has this issue on mob zones (3-6 enemy zones), and sometimes duo/elite zone to a lesser extend

Mob zone is free from this problem thankfully but kuro has been spamming us with mob dark zones

[true pivot]

her my little pony lookin tlc does 3.2k for no reason, her basic passives decides to have 8k and her ult with 110k

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1419622769758441533.png?size=160

[buoyant hornet]

Whichever has more amp resos + qte reset if possible (on sub-sss teddy teams)

[deft apex]

what about 3s teddy

[buoyant hornet]

SSS 6x class ayla technically gives more damage but ofc she's hard locked to eins and no 4guin

[icy otter]

@noble zinc where is u

I need my 9m

[true pivot]

shes like the best eins proccer or smthin anyways

[buoyant hornet]

Then either 6x class SSS kaleido if the zone compliments einsteina, or vera/lilith 6x class with dv guin

[deft apex]

oge

thank you goat feyerlao

[dawn cloak]

Youre running double chen anyway no?
Or you cooking darwin eins Wanshi?

[true pivot]

this week very tanky tho

eins might be the key

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah def lol never seen a unit apply eins as quickly as her or shukra, older ice units have goated qtes

Older not oldest

[true pivot]

so op they decided to make everything else mid

[buoyant hornet]

We all remember glory qte :)

[dawn cloak]

Do spam your targeting button until it lands on the tankiest mob
Good luck

[buoyant hornet]

I still haven't touched new ice team but today I'll start learning

[deft apex]

btw is this true or?

[buoyant hornet]

I'll prolly stick to double chen initially and see where the rest takes me lmao

[dawn cloak]

~~ Where u go last week smh ~~

[deft apex]

i haven't touched darkflow at all still

[timber umbra]

I didn’t know that. I thank you for this information

[timber umbra]

Thanks

One lag spike ruined my whole run

Unfortunately

[wind hemlock]

at this point investing in 3S leaped Karenina is a good business for newbies

Girl is immortal

[timber umbra]

I had 23 waves with in 1:05 seconds

[dawn cloak]

~~ invest in higher new device ~~

[buoyant hornet]

Uhhh yes and no lol he's not needed as enabler if vera is sig r1 for double rot but his shred value is incomparable

[dawn cloak]

[timber umbra]

And then when I did my Bianca Blue Orb hold boom my screen froze

That took my 5 seconds from my run

[buoyant hornet]

@deft apex

[true pivot]

when the tank shred field followed units, it was good,

then they added units that fly about, so they end up wasting dmg on shredless enemies

then now they added shred fields that stayed,

im gonna bet that they will add global pull just to fk with us and move the enemies away from the shred fields

[timber umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/cerberus-pgr-vera-pgr-vera-vera-pgr-gif-9966065231428093582

[deft apex]

ok so he is irreplaceable but not cuz 2nd enabler

[buoyant hornet]

Was playing qu funeral runs + burned out and got teddy late anyway

So saved my energy for this week instead

[true pivot]

whats the obtainable score for 2.333 ted wan lilick

[buoyant hornet]

Well the way df was intended by kuro to be played he's irreplaceable but double rot vera already covers the stacks needed unlike single rot

[rough ore]

Ss

[buoyant hornet]

Queso had like 8.8m with ss teddy

[dawn cloak]

I played S0 Teddy last week
Her S0 rot kinda similar to SS0, finally a not scuffed unit at SS0 except on dmg number

[true pivot]

last week was boss 10m on ss3

[buoyant hornet]

My smurf accounts will enjoy that omg

[deft apex]

babe forget about intended, I only care about real case scenario

[true pivot]

[deft apex]

he's still irreplaceable just from a shred pov

[true pivot]

maybe if i mald, 10m?

[rough ore]

C

[true pivot]

idk if the duo bears are helping

so much zaza

[buoyant hornet]

Hmm well ideally he should still be there because the ideal start of wz runs involves him doing 1rot + vera 1 rot to get enough stacks, I never really tested if you can cope with double rot vera opener though lmao

[deft apex]

[buoyant hornet]

It's hard to choose whether "irreplaceable" is an appropriate word or not

[true pivot]

replace wawa with rosetta

[timber umbra]

lag is such a cacophony

[true pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1366803812391850168.png?quality=lossless&name=DoroStaaaaaare&size=48

[buoyant hornet]

Because very ideally he should be there and does contribute something for enabling

[timber umbra]

i lost another good run

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867718398208245761/1447207563153379512/1234.gif

[buoyant hornet]

Prolly

[true pivot]

kinda wack

[timber umbra]

i hate my phone

[true pivot]

2 tapped 9.6 cause i needed to make a revised video

[buoyant hornet]

Does ss3 teddy feel like a big personal dmg increase from ss0?

[true pivot]

[timber umbra]

if i go bald

[buoyant hornet]

What did you change this week?

[timber umbra]

its my phones fault

[true pivot]

ive never touch ss0 lol

[timber umbra]

📞

[buoyant hornet]

ooof lilith on phone needs fast hands yeah lol

[true pivot]

4guin > 2guin2eins

enemies are tanky enough this week

eins should be better, i hope

👍

[buoyant hornet]

Only one way to find out (time to go bald)

[true pivot]

i tried guin

low

for me, anyways

[buoyant hornet]

I tried a qu run and mobs seemed pretty tanky but it's qu so that's not the same perspective as teddy

But I do imagine they'll mess with breakpoints on teddy

On qu you're already forced to land most of your burst on one wave anyway so it didn't feel so bad

[true pivot]

i hit 9.5 on qu iirc?

was ass tho

y ryb was 9m

r ryb got to 10m

[buoyant hornet]

Oh I mean ancient qu runs with just ish qte bot, not teddy swap

[true pivot]

😭

what in heavens is that

[buoyant hornet]

Savoring my last time getting to use her in wz

[timber umbra]

pgr crashed again

[true pivot]

bro has the punishing virus in their device

[timber umbra]

i will try tomorrow

phonekun is exhausted

goodnight my friends

may new sunshines rain upon you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856524351407128587/1452508506510065866/o4xg4rMfQWDsgeItgAQIAfLAC2vD8Gk2kLZCAe.gif

[buoyant hornet]

btw what did you mean by this, is she able to do a short rot with red or yellow instead of blue?

Idk much about her yet but I kinda assumed blue was the only short rot method LMAO

[simple dew]

how much hp does melinoe have

[buoyant hornet]

34m for some reason

[true pivot]

b short rot is faster

and very consistent

yellow is fast but no dmg

[mighty tusk]

? isn't ephtailes around 35?

[true pivot]

while red is the same as blue but damage is broken in 3x 3whites

35m

[mighty tusk]

then wtf are they smoking?

[true pivot]

i only remembered cause v1 it had 150 250 35 hp

[buoyant hornet]

Yes so we now have ephialtes and mini ephialtes

💀

[true pivot]

maybe is an ib boss, who knows

[buoyant hornet]

Nope in beta already

exppc

[true pivot]

oh god

[mighty tusk]

high hp boss followed by lower than 1 mil

this also means projection is in outlier

[true pivot]

and on a patch with the strongest nuker of today

[mighty tusk]

fcking 27 mil

[buoyant hornet]

Ic so is there any real use case for yellow rot?

[true pivot]

no

[buoyant hornet]

So red rot is a bit longer than blue but more spread out damage correct?

[simple dew]

graveyard

[true pivot]

blue is more spreaded out

[buoyant hornet]

she was 30

[true pivot]

red is limited to those 3x 3whites

[mighty tusk]

she was only 27 mil iirc, 30 mil started with monzano

[crystal rune]

Projection is 27

[true pivot]

so everytime you press and whiff, thats 1/3 dmg gone

[crystal rune]

Silly Selena lover forgot Veronica

[buoyant hornet]

Whaaa

[mighty tusk]

*started
maybe you should read

[crystal rune]

Huh

[true pivot]

whels

[crystal rune]

It started with Veronica tho

[buoyant hornet]

So ig we only reserve that for a tanky wave good to know, ty

[mighty tusk]

wasn't it reverse?

[simple dew]

what score 332 fire in hero

[buoyant hornet]

no lol

[crystal rune]

[true pivot]

reserve it when the wave has shred

[sonic tide]

why dark get mob's spam

[true pivot]

blue's hb sequence mostly comes at the end now that i think about it

so its more dragged out

----x
vs
+++

ish

[buoyant hornet]

btw are you still running double CJ or did you try the wanshi darwin eins zaza lmao

[buoyant hornet]

Ig red might be better for killing a kinda tanky wave to get more ult dmg on the next one

[sonic tide]

Hmm but wanshi dot can constantly apply chen

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah but teddy already carries chen

[crystal rune]

Wanshi shred field dies after first Teddy rot

[buoyant hornet]

And she has off field dmg ticks although I'm not sure if they apply chen

[sonic tide]

Wait if teddy have dot then okay

I just unlock her

[buoyant hornet]

Someone should test

[sonic tide]

I have the memo

[buoyant hornet]

Do a rot with teddy swap to wanshi without him carrying chen, land an attack on the target dummy

[buoyant hornet]

Can you try what I said in the message underneath yours?

If she applies chen with her ticks then that's even more reason to try dar eins wanshi lol

[true pivot]

no zaza

[sonic tide]

Later i guess

Still want to practice

[true pivot]

maybe ill try, but im outta mats

[sonic tide]

Hypertune reso is scarce

[buoyant hornet]

I'll steal qu's 2pc darwin lol

[sonic tide]

[buoyant hornet]

So I can try it for free

I'll lyk if it seems noticeably better than double chen

[sonic tide]

Then u try first me still want to learn teddy

[buoyant hornet]

Then you can decide if you wanna use mats to try it yourself @true pivot

[buoyant hornet]

I specifically wanted to know whether her ticks can apply chen not really score testing yet

I'll test in a bit

[true pivot]

im not fond of it cause when shred ends wanshi a bit hard to deal with without cjw

but its worth a shot

[sonic tide]

Wanshi now need dlt cuz all rotation use 3 ult?

[outer spear]

any build for teddy?

[true pivot]

not really?

[buoyant hornet]

It's prolly gonna be nice for tanky zones methinks

[true pivot]

the rng is s lot more annoying tho

[buoyant hornet]

Where waves don't die quickly enough for teddy's CJ application to fail to keep up

[true pivot]

yea but im also taking his qte nuke into consideration

if darwin eins i think dlt for 3p swap out proc eins should be the key

[radiant panther]

Wheres Nuke017? I requested an analysis on my ice run for optimization.
Good day @noble zinc, I hope did not forget my request this morning earlier

[true pivot]

[plain oyster]

Maybe he's taking a break rn

[buoyant hornet]

Hmmmm good point

[graceful summit]

Didn't think of that last week

Welp

[crystal rune]

Nuke kiwid

[plain oyster]

[graceful summit]

Selena Scream AAAAAAA

[carmine roost]

Ahh

He's free at last

just join the other server that he's still active on it

[simple dew]

captain wanshi or teddy

[carmine roost]

[plain oyster]

[radiant panther]

[sonic tide]

Ohw u didn't use dlt on wanshi?

[simple dew]

ss3 teddy sss wanshi can someone find vid

[pallid cypress]

Should i get Teddy or luna first to SSS?

[carmine roost]

Teddy
She's main dps

[opaque ridge]

alpha

[pallid cypress]

Luna is SS4

[plain oyster]

https://youtu.be/E31fqZTCU6M?si=lFfvYxgPz0gmLEhf

[carmine roost]

That's good enough already for her ngl

[pallid cypress]

Ok so vouchers on teddy

[true pivot]

i cant test even if i wanted to

[simple dew]

wanshi hard use

[normal sierra]

but he's still here

[rough ore]

[graceful summit]

[sonic tide]

Zamn

[buoyant hornet]

Wait really??

[crystal rune]

Going to

Since hes busy

[buoyant hornet]

Maybe he has exams again

[buoyant hornet]

I remember he stopped playing pgr during an important exam season before

[normal sierra]

I bet he just destroyed his fingers from all the mald, forced to 🥝

[simple dew]

do yall have all roguelikes cleared

[simple dew]

-# excluding rdf

[remote fossil]

Clear it all already

[simple dew]

6m should be good

[cold walrus]

Every malder finishes their way breaking the fingers

[plain oyster]

[simple dew]

its all the bears fault

and eu

[wind hemlock]

What is Rosetta's role in the v1 beta?

[fading kestrel]

Breaker

[remote fossil]

Tank 2.0

[fading kestrel]

tank in dark
attacker in trueslash

[wind hemlock]

So she replaces Daren or not?

[remote fossil]

Ye

[fading kestrel]

yes

[remote fossil]

And vergil

[wind hemlock]

Phew, finally

[graceful summit]

8m try dawg
Even onetapped ice earlier got 7m with full ss3 team

[simple dew]

will try on weekend when someone snipes me

[normal sierra]

she replaces midanca

[graceful summit]

she replaces lilith

[wind hemlock]

[remote fossil]

Well 6 dv lilith

[normal sierra]

nahh bruh, lilick has a purpose in the team, even if on support mems
ss0 midanca thou? she does absolutely nothing kek

[simple dew]

she benches everyone and sss craprisso comes back

[remote fossil]

Prolly 333 team anyway

[plain oyster]

Dont blame that now

[simple dew]

but it true

[plain oyster]

[normal sierra]

shame on you, an eu resident blaming eu

[simple dew]

i wont get deported for that right

[normal sierra]

off to brazil you go

[simple dew]

i dont want to be a cartels slave

[normal sierra]

[peak halo]

But eu is casul

[icy otter]

Whar

Where's the amp boss

[simple dew]

craprisso

[icy otter]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-ishowspeed-gif-1290931606264393136

[dawn cloak]

Good, ~~ he need to graduate ~~

[icy otter]

What

Bro my one ref

That's down here in the gutters with me

I'm alone now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1353896360579170364.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=crashingout

I should kiwi part 2 then

Uncs gone in 2 months anyway

[true pivot]

just be the ref lol.

[graceful summit]

Yes

Be the lao you wish to see

[icy otter]

How does that work

I can't just

Make up the limit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1447168543555846194/1420032024411902074-1.webp?ex=6936a43b&is=693552bb&hm=21357e30152caa6c52c1bd7e1d2d05d3f7b76a53ac883ec001f330cfefbf38a4&

[normal sierra]

how do you think the others do it?

[icy otter]

They're proven dalao

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-toilet-restroom-gif-14343205956687655242

[true pivot]

i fkin hate wanshi

this guy sucks

[peak halo]

Agreed

Want 1 rot wanshi
Ice atker when

[meager sleet]

Alpha

[true pivot]

kil pgr

[noble zinc]

[cobalt prawn]

HAPPY NEW YEAR CN FRIENDS

[gray merlin]

Is Veronica better physical amplifier than Alisa Echo?

[true pivot]

no

i really really hate wanshi

this is one of the worst designs in gameplay ever

[fluid gulch]

[true pivot]

absolute dog water

[fluid gulch]

Why you hating woshed some much?

[true pivot]

because he sucks

[icy otter]

U betray me

[woven raptor]

https://huaxu.app/ap/players/21627107/characters eyo need help here, havent use the blue selector ticket? Should i get pyroath despite no have sig wep or go for other ss3?

[noble zinc]

[peak halo]

Just lao urself
U can do it

[icy otter]

I'm fraud

[icy otter]

My ref

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/953114926774374470.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=WDYM

I was gonna say mald 9m for me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1447168543555846194/1420032024411902074-1.webp?ex=6936a43b&is=693552bb&hm=21357e30152caa6c52c1bd7e1d2d05d3f7b76a53ac883ec001f330cfefbf38a4&

[true pivot]

hate hate hate hate hate hate

[fading kestrel]

rip bozo

[fluid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kilgore-trout-vonnegut-pgr-gif-4279542929829929692

[true pivot]

this man is useless

[celest carbon]

Ah man names are hard

[crystal rune]

admit it yoom

you just hate men

[celest carbon]

Yomm loves men

[crystal rune]

i know he loves me

[true pivot]

this guy has ruined my run with 20s left for the 8th time now

[celest carbon]

[radiant panther]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[graceful summit]

DoroStaaaaaare

Why do I see a certain someone typing

[dawn cloak]

If Alisa at SSS already, nope.
Dont pull fraud veronica

[summer topaz]

wansht menace at it again ruining everything

[dawn cloak]

Dont pull old unit. Can also use it to help SS3/SSS new Rosetta
Anyway better save for newer gen

[tacit tiger]

But Veronica has a little better buffs to the team even at ss

Docs

[true pivot]

her damage makes her god awful

[tacit tiger]

The ult trick

[true pivot]

shes only even better than alisa if she is running 4 philip, and thats on a vergil team

[tacit tiger]

Base S veronica has the same amp buffs as 3s alisa

[true pivot]

and shes still worse than alisa

she cant manage breakpoints like alisa can

[slender scarab]

this is why you just get sss vero and stop thinking about these things

[true pivot]

fk whel

[tacit tiger]

https://youtu.be/PRD_xNW_kbY?si=0cCqUqmvURs_jr2A

Slight margin

[true pivot]

the worst person to showcase this

[plain oyster]

[final fog]

[tacit tiger]

Then you do it smh...

[true pivot]

tell me you havent watch without telling me

[tacit tiger]

It slight

[slender scarab]

I am lowkey glad at least physical have more than 1 option for amp

[true pivot]

its not slight...

oh my goodness...

[wind hemlock]

[tacit tiger]

Veronic(aegis) is weaker than alisa in lore so its up to you

[true pivot]

lore? so?

are you fr?

[tacit tiger]

[true pivot]

lore into gameplay?

you run them in a wz, you dont run them head first into a practice dummy

theres qte managing, wave chaining, etc

[tacit tiger]

Qte reset

[true pivot]

thats 3s veronica

[tacit tiger]

Yes

[true pivot]

are you like, not knowing?

[wanton hatch]

[true pivot]

ss3 vero is not better than 3s alisa

what qte reset

where qte reset

[wanton hatch]

Moon misinfo strikes once more

[tacit tiger]

What misinfo elaborate

[wanton hatch]

nothing at all

[tacit tiger]

I just said qte reset doesn't mean it unlock at base

[wanton hatch]

[true pivot]

yea but why are you pushing out an irrelevant thing

you showed me ss0 vero vs 3s alisa video, mind you

and you suddenly talk about 3s vero?

[tacit tiger]

You want veronica in ppc tho

[true pivot]

that is true, but would you want her in wz? absolutely never

[tacit tiger]

I show you dmg between them

But Veronica have a little better buffs

[true pivot]

were you reading what i said at all

slightly more buffs does not let her cover up breakpoints

[crystal rune]

[stray siren]

Dark team pre-Karen, when everyone used 21 (10% shred) before Kamui (25% shred), because the application of 21 was more consistent and faster

More buff/debuff doesn't mean better

[true pivot]

ggnod

[fresh wave]

geira + ish what memories + res do i want?

nihil team ^

[tacit tiger]

Qte bot for geiravor + 4pc sig memo and 4pc Cottie for Ishmael

[slate gull]

im drunk

happy new year everyone

[graceful summit]

Hi drunk

I'm ori

Also happy new year

MenheraCelebrate

[slate gull]

[tacit tiger]

[slate gull]

bro i had a one on one talk with my uncle about a whole lot of stuffs. leeemao

[fresh wave]

what memory for geira

[slate gull]

hope you all have a wonderful 2026 ahead of you

[tacit tiger]

4pc da vinci + 4pc guin or 2pc guin + 2pc eins

[fresh wave]

okey tyty

[tacit tiger]

Use 4pc guin for hero ig and use 2pc guin and 2pc eins for legend ig

[fresh wave]

if i remember i will lol thank you

[fresh wave]

also do you know the res for luna?

[tacit tiger]

4pc sig memo + 4pc cottie

[fresh wave]

the resonance skills

i have the memo lol

[tacit tiger]

15+ atk and sig

[fresh wave]

tyty

think i only have enough so harmonise either ish or luna whos sig should i do first?

[tacit tiger]

Ishmael sig gives you 10℅ shred/amp

And can be used in any team

[fresh wave]

true

alr thank you

how about weapon resonance? might as well use some of them on what will be my fav team

[plain oyster]

For luna?

[fresh wave]

for any i suppose

i have a couple res sticks

[plain oyster]

Hmm for luna, r0 is fine. Can give r1 ish if not have yet

Show huaxu tho to better look who needs it

[fresh wave]

yea i was looking at axial ray or deconstruct for ish

those seem useful

[fresh wave]

no idea what that is

[plain oyster]

Dlt for nihil ish

[fresh wave]

but i dont have any r1+ weps rn

[fresh wave]

deadline timing?

[plain oyster]

Yes

Its needed for her nihil rot

[fresh wave]

alright ty

[slate gull]

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL THE CHRONICALLY ONLINE

[plain oyster]

Happy new year

[fresh wave]

happy new year

[hard sparrow]

Is it worth it reso the old gen weap like stigmata? I'm planning to use it on teddy

[tacit tiger]

Ye

[fresh wave]

any alt sub dps for fire other than pyroath?

[graceful summit]

Donte

If no either then just go solo vera

[fresh wave]

who would third be?

would ish work as amplifier?

[graceful summit]

Nope

If no tank then she'll be tank, otherwise she won't be anything

[fresh wave]

oh right yea vera is amp

well i was gonna get watanabe to be tank

so i just need a 3rd

or i could use the choice pick for a nanami or luna copy or smthn

[plain oyster]

Just put any amp, just with support memo and solo vera

[stray siren]

It depends on your character investment, but SS3 Vera + SSS Wata + any amp 2 resos should be doing 8-8.5M score.

3 Vera ult 2 Wata ult per rot

[graceful summit]

I did not know that

[plain oyster]

You got that invest ori, do it

[stray siren]

Yeah, try with Lilith SSS

[muted zenith]

do we have a decent SSS3 Teddy rot?

[graceful summit]

Too bad I'm too poorCrimConcern

[muted zenith]

i m alternating between
BY RBY
RBY RBY
Y RBY
BY RBY
RBY RBY

[graceful summit]

Ss3 r2 Lilith + ss r0 wata

Bricked invest

[muted zenith]

also whats the rot for SS3 Pyroath in fire team?

[fresh wave]

all just s mainly

[wanton hatch]

2 variations
diff for 1st swap in and 2nd swap

[muted zenith]

good enough just tell me what they are

[stray siren]

Rotation depends on WZ FL, Rank and enemy composition; if that's working for you now, it might not work the next round

[wanton hatch]

https://youtu.be/EoJGSfpu5l4?si=vAt13uvlxEbVgw5_

[muted zenith]

i keep screwing up and only getting like 6 mil at best despiite R2 SS3 Pyoath SS6 R2 Vera and SSS3 R2 Wata

[graceful summit]

That's the thing, idt there's fixed rot for teddy
For both ult you can vary the orb order

Teddy rot very flexible, so no need to find fixed rot

[wanton hatch]

should be 10.5+ no?

[muted zenith]

with my skillset?

even 5 miil+ is a miracle

like i got full SSS3 ice team

and am stuck at 8 mil

[wanton hatch]

[graceful summit]

Dead

That's certainly skill issue alright

[fresh wave]

real

[muted zenith]

i just dont know how newer units work

[fresh wave]

i personally just be spamming shi

[muted zenith]

maybe its just playing on xbox controller

[fresh wave]

also are trade vouchers worth spending on anything other than char shards?

[muted zenith]

i cant even sp delay correctly for SSS liv

[graceful summit]

No
Only char shard worth

[tacit tiger]

[muted zenith]

whats this 3red and 3pred after red spam

[tacit tiger]

What vid is this?

[muted zenith]

.

[wanton hatch]

said in vid already, mash red for the matrix ping for one 3 ping, one 3 ping red

Nuke just used shortcuts in his explanations

[muted zenith]

ah

[wanton hatch]

P-ping

[muted zenith]

p-ping is?

why does when i say it, it sounds like peeping?

[wanton hatch]

just ping, just ping

[muted zenith]

ok

[graceful summit]

CrimConcern

[timber umbra]

rise and shine

[noble zinc]

12mil min

It's near same can just copy paste rots

Shakes shred and qte's nukes mind

And try to speed up run

[wanton hatch]

lao what 2.132.1 323 hero fire

[noble zinc]

11.7up

Good

Aim 11.5

[wanton hatch]

[ripe stag]

They really just killed plasma huh

[noble zinc]

Plasma still good tho i remember you got SS3 nana

7+ easy

[muted zenith]

i tried and failed

[noble zinc]

Keep track of enemiywhich give hitlag

Bald rng there

Or adjust your waves

Like sometimes slowing down progression cuz of brick enmies next wave can do better

Cuz they do some delulu move

Alpha run/roseblade flower ex

[ripe stag]

I should try plasma

[solemn berry]

I really don't know

I feel like I should come back

I've quit discord (coming back here temporarily to ask if it's worth it) as well as PGR, and alot of other stuff and I find myself with alot of free time so shall I return

[timber umbra]

Today I will be learning Elemental Sets

Here I go

Checklist:
Da Vinci: ✅
Einstina: ✅
Guinevere: ✅
Catherine ✅
Philip ✅
Gloria: ✅
Elemental Resistance Sets: Shakespeare, Heisen, Bathlon, Chen, Patton
Samantha ✅
Lantern
Darwin
Frederick

[keen sable]

i think i keep teddy at ss3

[fringe kestrel]

is teddy bot alive

[graceful summit]

Nope
Ded again

[timber umbra]

Elemental Set

Set Users: Heisen,Shakespeare,Chen,Patton,Bathlon

Increase ATK by 3% and Elemental DMG by 7%. Extra DMG Bonus increases by 10%. Attacking a target will inflict them with (Frost,Burn,Electrocute,Impale,Corruption) depending on the element, reducing their Elemental Resistance by 15% for 8s (10s cooldown). Attacking targets affected by (Frost,Burn,Electrocute,Impale,Corruption) will trigger an Explosion that deals 600% Elemental DMG (6s cooldown on the same target).

Summary: Attack target -> Apply (Frost,Burn,Electrocute,Impale,Corruption) = 15s RES 8s 10s cooldown, (Frost,Burn,Electrocute,Impale,Corruption) Explosion 6s cooldown

Okay, I get what Elemental Sets do now

It’s the same as Einsteina 2pc effect for everything but triggers by attacking the target instead of 3 ping/QTE and it gives 3% ATK 7% Element DMG, A explosion

Same uptime

Different trigger

[normal sierra]

what the text doesn't say is:

• einsteina got a global cooldown, not per enemy, but cooldown is ticking during time stop too (if you hit a target with it, and hit another target with it before the cooldown is done, the 2nd target won't get the debuff)
• 4pc elem mem effect's cooldown is not global, the effect and it's cooldown is applied on each enemy separately, but the cooldown is stopped during time stop here

[timber umbra]

Oh my..

I think I understand what you mean kind of

[wanton hatch]

[tacit tiger]

???

I literally have 5.8m at my bad run with 2.3³

And all r1 except vera who have r2

[deft apex]

Sarastro are u Allegro?

[tacit tiger]

Maybe he should learn the vera basic attack hold dodge cancel

[verbal forge]

[tacit tiger]

Its not

[solemn berry]

Highest I think I got was 8.5m but wz is weird so idk what I would've gotten her

[tacit tiger]

I'm poor

[median spade]

what is going on here

[tacit tiger]

The guy with 3s can't get 7m or smth

[median spade]

sounds noob

[tacit tiger]

I literally don't have vera cub and still have a good score

[simple dew]

332 fire 113 what score

pyro and vera cub

[median spade]

50 million billion

[simple dew]

but i got 67 billion trillion wantap

[median spade]

good

no need mald

[simple dew]

me lao

[median spade]

[simple dew]

[tacit tiger]

[tacit tiger]

[stray siren]

Seems low for SS3 team, probably 9M is possible

With SSS Wata is about 11M

[tacit tiger]

I literally don't have vera's cub

Wait.... Oh no.....

Lucia is the leader that time😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

Fah

I literally don't have full hypertune at vera also

[stray siren]

Vera cub is only about 500K

[tacit tiger]

With s or ss?

I mess up one vera rot in that wz and unc blaze orbs are missing one

Losing 7 seconds in unc

[stray siren]

S, SS probably 700-1M

[tacit tiger]

I mess up lucia's rot too (The fade away attack in that wz)

[noble zinc]

Lucia leader does well too it's not bad

From ss3

[tacit tiger]

[signal quartz]

So I'll ask: How do i improve my rotations? I'm getting 3.5-4 mil (depending on how much i lock in)
rotation is wata 3 ping ult parry 2 blaze ult
lucia basic ult 2 red pings fade slash full ult 3 red
vera 3 ping hold basic ult 2 red pings hold basic ult

wata i use whatever generic cub is available

[tacit tiger]

With unc if swap > dash > basic attack > 3 ping > ult1 > hold dodge > blaze orbs till run out > ult2

It will trigger matrix if blade orbs the enemies

You don't "need" to do the fade away attack in lucia

[stray siren]

Switch your characters' memories

Watanabe uses 4 Alphonse 4 Da Vinci

Lucia is Ok

Vera uses 4 Shakespeare 4 Cottie

Also, Vera uses Dead Line Timing on weapon, she is the DPS of the team.

You can follow this rot after making the changes

https://youtu.be/EoJGSfpu5l4?si=ghorj6CxUnkVVW7L

[tacit tiger]

Recommended to r2 vera btw

[signal quartz]

even with just ss0 luc?

[tacit tiger]

Yes

[carmine roost]

Even r1 is fine

U fck whel

[stray siren]

This rotation works for SS0too

[tacit tiger]

I sacrifice my luna weapon for that

In the last patch

[carmine roost]

Changing Lucia harmo to eins is better to

Dlt to ga

[carmine roost]

Massive skill issue

Imagine getting pyrowashed a r2

[stray siren]

Another thing: use the bull cub on Vera, any other Cub S in Lucia and the Deer in Watanabe

[signal quartz]

damn and right when im running low on hypertune mats

[tacit tiger]

I don't have luna and vera is the r2 I own

[carmine roost]

Rite

[stray siren]

Yeah, your builds are the biggest problem right now

[wanton hatch]

[signal quartz]

[wanton hatch]

dv Vera whel

[signal quartz]

your honor in my defense i was following the build advice from uhh vera launch?

[wanton hatch]

oh so 2hours after launch

[signal quartz]

(unrelated but why use whel instead of wth)

[wanton hatch]

u use dv when fire is s+

[stray siren]

Yeah, a lot of people did the same thing. It's best to wait a week or two after a new character is released to confirm the memories

[wanton hatch]

or is it available for 3s

[signal quartz]

liv flashbacks.... didnt waste hypertune mats luckily

[stray siren]

DV Vera last around one month, before Rydle found the Shakes set when the version arrived on JP and TW

[wanton hatch]

[true pivot]

rydlao so pro

[tacit tiger]

natasha incident

[signal quartz]

vera is going to suck.... but it must be done

[tacit tiger]

Your vera?

[signal quartz]

i meant changing mems

since its going to be a complete overhaul

at least wata is only 2 changes since shakepeare is harmomnized

[tacit tiger]

Your vera can be use in ice anfd nihil teams

Theres 3 builds in vera

[signal quartz]

ice? damn ayla stock that bad even with qu dropped

[tacit tiger]

Fire: 4pc shakes + 4pc cottie
Darkflow: 2pc sig memo + 4pc Guinevere + 2pc cottie
Qte bot: 4pc davinci + 4pc Guinevere or 2pc guinevere + 2pc eins

I think...

[carmine roost]

I'm pretty sure, even without full ht/perfect reso it'd be still better than Vinci vera

4 Shakespeare 2 cottie, cottie harmo

Put 2 cottie and 1 Shakespeare bottom

Only max the 3 at bottom slot

Get 12 random resonance

And give ht to the bottom 3 if possible

That's already more than enough to make your vera outdps lucia

[signal quartz]

why 2 1 bottom?

[carmine roost]

Stat minmaxing

[signal quartz]

wair

[carmine roost]

Nerd stuff

[signal quartz]

ignore me

i brain farted

[carmine roost]

We all had that moment once

[signal quartz]

because i misread that as
cottie cottie shak

[tacit tiger]

Read the stats of memo if it has attack you know what you gonna do

[true pivot]

[signal quartz]

not
cottie shak cottie

[carmine roost]

Heh

What's the diff really

[signal quartz]

nothing really

but think of the consistency

[carmine roost]

As long as it's 4 Shakespeare and 2 cottie on vera you're ballin

[tacit tiger]

A little bit

[carmine roost]

you aren't sweaty enough to actually see the diff anyway

[signal quartz]

why not sig?

[carmine roost]

Bad

No dmg, just qol

[signal quartz]

oof

[carmine roost]

Shakespeare is pure dmg set

[tacit tiger]

same with the other sets with the same effect but different element

[true pivot]

going from lilith, to vera, to vero is crazy

at least we went back to teddy

[signal quartz]

amplifier downfall must be studied?

oh is this the place to ask about beta stuff?

[tacit tiger]

???

[signal quartz]

stupid question i know

[true pivot]

[carmine roost]

Phys is benched, bricked, shafted, discombobulated

[tacit tiger]

Veronica is the worse amp rn

[carmine roost]

Vero no exceptions

[tacit tiger]

no one use her in ice team

[wind hemlock]

Bruh, I have to R2 Wanshi now?

[true pivot]

what for

[tacit tiger]

Re?

[carmine roost]

Whel

[wind hemlock]

For ice, to pull off the tripe rotation

[carmine roost]

Fck whel

[wind hemlock]

I mean, he's only on deconstruction rn

[tacit tiger]

You just need to time wanshi's orbs

[carmine roost]

That's all he needs

[tacit tiger]

Bruh

[true pivot]

he does not need dlt per say if your timing is good enough

[wind hemlock]

Timing

[carmine roost]

Speaking of which

[tacit tiger]

teddy being shorter than her old frame

[carmine roost]

What was your Bianca Gaydiance set

She's SS3 rank right?

[true pivot]

4 sig 2 dar 2 wilde

i keep running out of sp

[stray siren]

I don't think we'll ever have a Phys team at the level of NieR or Bianca, Rosetta and Liv/Alisa again

[carmine roost]

How many ult did you do

[tacit tiger]

Ask levi

[true pivot]

tried 355

shifted to 335

[signal quartz]

phys is in this bad of a state?

[true pivot]

still sp bricked

[tacit tiger]

Always has been

[carmine roost]

It always has been

[tacit tiger]

Can't have a phy team without hanying

[carmine roost]

Was that 5 ult at the end tight or you have like several second left

[tacit tiger]

you can use bananami

[stray siren]

I mean, With NieR you could erase the entire game

With Bianca, Rosetta and Liv/Alisa, you didn't need any other team at UPPC Hell

[true pivot]

i couldnt even go further than the 3rd swap cause i ran out of sp lol

[normal sierra]

not with base S nier 🚮

[carmine roost]

[stray siren]

Yeah I am talking about SSS

[carmine roost]

I started to think 355/255 needs SSS nana

[tacit tiger]

Teddy being gaydiance because solon wants to make her wife stronger

[normal sierra]

he failed cuz ss0 midanca is still the middest char of them all

[final fog]

Is 2 darwin better than 2 fran?

Also whats ss0 rot?
Is it fixed or not yet?

[stray siren]

Thinking about recycling her Cub

[tacit tiger]

ss0 is for function ss3 is for more damage and sht

[normal sierra]

brah, even ss3 is giga mid compared to sss

[carmine roost]

cottie Wilde is better cuz ss0 has no rights and lack orbs whenever doing anything

[tacit tiger]

You can do 4 ults in first lucia rot of plasma

[final fog]

I dont run out of orbs the issue is idk whats the rotation
I just ping yellow hold blue ult ping 3 times then swap out

[true pivot]

i dont know lol, like i said, i kept losing sp

[final fog]

I tried 2 cottie too didnt feel a difference

Idk why they made bonca and veronica super mid at ss0

[carmine roost]

You don't run out of orb or energy until the last 5th ult

334

[signal quartz]

is it better to do full ult or fast ult at my investment?

[final fog]

I dont understand

[carmine roost]

3 Bianca ult first swap
3 Bianca ult second swap
4 Bianca ult at 3rd/last swap

It's supposed to be 335, but impossible to complete with only ss0 without cottie

[tacit tiger]

ss3 is bare minimum

[signal quartz]

figured as such

[signal quartz]

what does this mean?

[tacit tiger]

Ults

[final fog]

I have 3s tank is it better to ult 3-4 times?

I just consume stacks and swap out

You have a video?

[tacit tiger]

Two possible rots

[signal quartz]

[carmine roost]

Idk you try

[tacit tiger]

In the first vid do 3 ping then ult in the last ult

[carmine roost]

I'm specialized for low invest mfs
I'm not a whel

Smh my head

[final fog]

I'm not dalao

[tacit tiger]

We're not whales we're fate pullers

[stray siren]

SS3 Lucia is not useful in plasma unless Nanami is SSS0

[signal quartz]

.......

piss

[stray siren]

There is no fixed rotation for plasma

[signal quartz]

ss star rail

[stray siren]

You have to try the possibles combinations

And right now, plasma is a pretty bricked affix

[carmine roost]

Fck plasma

[tacit tiger]

only if plasma tank

[carmine roost]

Gaydiance is easier and only very slightly worse than plasma with equal invest

[signal quartz]

is because of no plasma shred?

or something else?

[carmine roost]

I'd say

It's worth it compared to burn your sanity dry

[final fog]

Whats plasma score this week anyways?

[carmine roost]

Everyone is getting their sss teddy too this reset

[stray siren]

Nanami works well as a Tank, Kuro just nerfed Plasma scores

[carmine roost]

Idk I'm a noob

[final fog]

https://tenor.com/view/phrolova-phrololo-phrolova-wuwa-wuthering-waves-phrolova-wuthering-waves-gif-10264495390712235973

[tacit tiger]

two male characters in burn team

[carmine roost]

My random 3345 Plasma with 222 110 scored 4.3m

Compared to 222 110 Gaydiance 4.6m

[tacit tiger]

[final fog]

[carmine roost]

I'm not gonna mald plasma just to know the results

Idk how to plasma

And never would

[stray siren]

Try 5 rots instead 4, it generally gives better results than 5 ultis at the end

[tacit tiger]

Skill issue + no motivation