Am about to kill someone
#📨・meta-help
woeful root
crystal rune
ripe stag
I did a oopsie with Wanshi but could have 11m I think
SSS0 Teddy kinda busted if I'm being honest
Really fucking strong
Way too good for a free unit this time
woeful root
rocky wedge
Wdym all the units work like that, or generally did until Vero xd
Otherwise why even get the character if the unit it's replacing barely makes a diff Dx
woeful root
<:PulaoLoading:969257624040259584>
https://youtu.be/z3Ei9uGmIds?si=ZMOzHtlI7NtS...
@icy otter you better find the most absurd mistake here or else I'll hang ya by the ballz 
final fog
Anyone tried glow in ion wz?
I see whels score 10 mil
final fog
||Bianca has more damage than plasmaoth||
My invest is not whel
232 120 111
tacit tiger
By a long shot
tacit tiger
My invest is not whel
232 120 111
Why do you have ss0 with lilick?
final fog
I just do random stuff
tacit tiger
ss teddy has same rot as ss3
final fog
probably 11111
What?
ripe stag
All teddy has same rot no?
tacit tiger
SSS0 got diff rot?
I heard that it has 3 ult rot
ripe stag
There's no fix rot
I mean the first rot is hold ba blue ult right? Then it changes depending on wave for the 2nd rot before swap out
woeful root
Am about to lose it
noble zinc
I mean the first rot is hold ba blue ult right? Then it changes depending on wav...
There's no fixed like said
Some goin double max stack some 2-3
Some 1-3
Her and there
woeful root
Dps Vera is fkin washed at low invest
tacit tiger
Blue
ripe stag
Ah
noble zinc
Am seeing no one doing fixed things
ripe stag
So basically insanely flexible
noble zinc
Yes
ripe stag
That means I won't lose damage
woeful root
tacit tiger
You can 3 ult rot with teddy if 3s
ripe stag
I got this by using a really rigid rot
woeful root
My hypertune mats man...
ripe stag
Time to optimise tomorrow
ripe stag
You can 3 ult rot with teddy if 3s<:EvilLiv:976915741888626738>
Seriously?
woeful root
Why
noble zinc
I got this by using a really rigid rot
Duo wtf?
tacit tiger
Seriously?
Yeah
tacit tiger
Idk
ripe stag
tacit tiger
I don't have 3s teddy yet
woeful root
Remind me
ripe stag
noble zinc
In a good or bad way
Good
lusty spear
hey i wanan know how many BC we will get when we clear a main story usually?
woeful root
To never listen
ripe stag
I see
woeful root
To wata mains
ripe stag
Why <:KareninaScream:842384283116896257> <:KareninaScream:842384283116896257> <:...
You wasted them
woeful root
That use donte
ripe stag
To wata mains
Wata does need ht
ripe stag
That use donte
LMAO
woeful root
I fell for the biggest scam in history
ripe stag
SSS0 wata + Dante + Vero
woeful root
ripe stag
lusty spear
hey i wanan know how many BC we will get when we clear a main story usually?
is it just like 300 per chapter?
tacit tiger
Its better to 3s lilick than alya since its cheaper
ripe stag
SSS0 Teddy does wonders
woeful root
GIVE ME BACK MY HYPERTUNE MAAAATS
ripe stag
noble zinc
I got this by using a really rigid rot
is this 3s teddy
woeful root
Bro
woeful root
I could've just learned vera rot
noble zinc
In a good or bad way
Pak brick bald more need
limber yoke
Pak brick bald more need
haxx guy
woeful root
That's the only way my soul can be at ease
tacit tiger
Glacio god hasn't post the new ice wz vid
woeful root
Snipe them for misinfo
steady otter
ripe stag
Pak brick bald more need
Ok man
I'll do it tomorrow
simple dew
woeful root
Someone
tacit tiger
Should I buy hypertune mats even at 60k dispatch at dorms (I alr spend 500k at last 2 patches)
simple dew
Give me a single reason as to why dps Vera is viable
cause shes vera
tacit tiger
Give me a single reason as to why dps Vera is viable
Fast rot
simple dew
you just bad
woeful root
i got SCAMMED
crystal rune
skill issue
simple dew
did you do the pacts
woeful root
Was zat
tacit tiger
Imma ping paper here
woeful root
Now
tacit tiger
@rotund fox
woeful root
Shatap or I'll turn u into mince
tacit tiger
Its just 4 dodge cancels smh
simple dew
Shatap or I'll turn u into mince <:Livmurica:846388685422985216>
git gud
simple dew
Its just 4 dodge cancels smh<:EvilLiv:976915741888626738>
3-4 cancels
tacit tiger
what do you want
Back read
woeful root
why ping me
Vera luv is a fraud
rotund fox
Vera luv is a fraud
Kll yourself
rotund fox
Vera is the epitome of Construct combat
I'm scared that Fork will suddenly spawn in
i will skedaddle now
woeful root
Someone that's not a wata coper can please point out all the mistakes here? #📨・meta-help message
eager oasis
i have a couple questions:
last WZ in hero: Dark VS DF vs Plasma VS Raydiance, what scores best
Also: DF; can liv use glorious afterglow in DF? (since she can only do 2 rotas anyway cause stacks under 10)
Raydiance: Bianca on cottie?
icy otter
Dps Vera is fkin washed at low invest
Perhaps
Just maybe
Have you considered not knowing how to play the team and not willing to invest in the tank
Gets you no score
You never posted your full inv and the score you're getting
Probably getting wave breakpoints wrong
upbeat phoenix
DLT is useless for Teddy, yeah?
icy otter
Yea
upbeat phoenix
aight
icy otter
Just run ml
upbeat phoenix
ml or incandescence?
peak halo
Both
tacit tiger
i have a couple questions:
last WZ in hero: Dark VS DF vs Plasma VS Raydiance, w...
Darkflow would be the best if you have liv if you don't have liv use gaydiance
upbeat phoenix
I can put one on her weapon
upbeat phoenix
if I had to pick one, which one would I put
woeful root
You never posted your full inv and the score you're getting
I did
peak halo
Try both
Keep which felt better
woeful root
Like 2 times already
wind hemlock
Does anyone have raydiance rotation with Teddy?
graceful summit
i have a couple questions:
last WZ in hero: Dark VS DF vs Plasma VS Raydiance, w...
Wha
Why is dark vs df a question
eager oasis
Wha
Why is dark vs df a question<:LivSussybaka:860803752822833162>
cause it says dark dmg dealt so it applies to both dark teams and darkflow
does it not
graceful summit
Yes, but off element penalty still exist
woeful root
Have you considered not knowing how to play the team and not willing to invest i...
Tell me what I did wrong in the vid
icy otter
<:PulaoLoading:969257624040259584>
https://youtu.be/z3Ei9uGmIds?si=ZMOzHtlI7NtS...
22.32 101?
eager oasis
a what now
graceful summit
So dark is better to use on dark wz, and df on df zone
woeful root
22.32 101?
2.32.32 101
tacit tiger
2.32.32 101
🧱
tacit tiger
Lilick not ss3?
woeful root
I'll just take that as a lesson 
tacit tiger
Ss3 lilick is free
graceful summit
a what now
When you're going off element on a zone, your damage will be penalized
Basically just lesser damage dealt
I forgot the multiplier exactly
woeful root
No one talking about Lilick
bozo
eager oasis
When you're going off element on a zone, your damage will be penalized
Basically...
... uh "shadow forest, dark dmg greatly increases, darkflow dmg slightly increases"
It says its for both 😕
woeful root
That's fire invest
woeful root
... uh "shadow forest, dark dmg greatly increases, darkflow dmg slightly increas...
"greatly"
"Slightly"
eager oasis
and somehow my raydiance still was giga busted
graceful summit
... uh "shadow forest, dark dmg greatly increases, darkflow dmg slightly increas...
slightly increased
This is what actually matters
The one that says greatly is what element the zone are
icy otter
Tell me what I did wrong in the vid
Why are you basic attacking for orbs on every vera swap
eager oasis
even tho raydiance is listed as lessser increase to plasma
icy otter
woeful root
Why are you basic attacking for orbs on every vera swap
Cuz as u can see am missing orbs for some reason
graceful summit
Although raydiance is a special case
tacit tiger
Darkflow is the best to score if you have liv even if you have max invest in alpha it and the team is also max invest it will have less score than 10m
icy otter
From second swap in 3p into ult is only done assuming you had a 3p on prev swap
graceful summit
Basically just don't try to comprehend what kuro's saying
You can barely understand anything from it
icy otter
Amp buff lasts 10s, optimal vera rot is 9s and ur spending 1/4th of those 2s basic attacking
woeful root
Because your starter was 2 vera ult not 1
Who do I swap to
Everyone is on cooldown 
icy otter
icy otter
Who do I swap to
Everyone is on cooldown <:PulaoLoading:969257624040259584>
Wata start
tacit tiger
Who do I swap to
Everyone is on cooldown <:PulaoLoading:969257624040259584>
3s wata
eager oasis
Basically just don't try to comprehend what kuro's saying
You can barely unders...
you see my predicament now understanding the WZ buffs, weirdge when it says plasma great increase, but rayd scored higher for me personally
(cause bianca can do multiple nukes in a row)
icy otter
3p ult
woeful root
Wata start
Hmm
icy otter
1 ult vera 3p swap to Pyro
eager oasis
Lucia kneecapped by plasma duration 💀
woeful root
tacit tiger
Lucia kneecapped by plasma duration 💀
Isnt going to flying ult used to have tlc?
upbeat phoenix
hmm whats the best ice wz rotation? (I have SSS Wanshi, Lilith and SS Teddy, all with sig)
If I alternate 2x Wanshi rot and 2x Teddy rot, its not enough to trigger Teddy's ult automatically, and there's a lot of time where Wanshi is available but I don't select him
If I alternate 4x Wanshi rot and 2x Teddy rot, the wanshi downtime is minimal and I get to use Teddy's automatic ult, but it seems kind of wasteful?
anyone have better ideas?
simple dew
hmm whats the best ice wz rotation? (I have SSS Wanshi, Lilith and SS Teddy, all...
solo s0 5* qu
tacit tiger
noble zinc
upbeat phoenix
I wonder if I can do 3x Wanshi ult
upbeat phoenix
I heard that alot of people seems confused about the 100% amp in gen 2 amps<:Evi...
wdym
tacit tiger
noble zinc
eager oasis
any reason ppl do short ult on teddy on raydiance , y not swap 2 bianca
right after after 2 yellow on intro
tacit tiger
any reason ppl do short ult on teddy on raydiance , y not swap 2 bianca
Ult damage doesn't have gaydiance
eager oasis
i know thats why im asking
upbeat phoenix
I wonder, does my having an SSS lilith cancel out the ice damage buff from my SS Teddy
simple dew
I wonder, does my having an SSS lilith cancel out the ice damage buff from my SS...
it doesnt
tacit tiger
I wonder, does my having an SSS lilith cancel out the ice damage buff from my SS...
No
upbeat phoenix
or does it only override the ATK bonus
simple dew
the ice buff is still there and the atk bonus is the same
upbeat phoenix
I see
fluid gulch
Next vera swap 3p ult1
Can you tell me real benefits to this tho? Like there's no reason to 3p before swapping out imo
simple dew
Can you tell me real benefits to this tho? Like there's no reason to 3p before s...
there is
fluid gulch
Like
graceful summit
hmm whats the best ice wz rotation? (I have SSS Wanshi, Lilith and SS Teddy, all...
Wanshi does 3 ult each rot
While teddy does 2 ult, which the second ult is full stack
Thing is, teddy is so flexible that you can do either 1+3,2+3, or 3+3 teddy
And there's none that's clearly better than the other
The only thing you can do is just try each one and see which is better
upbeat phoenix
3 ult wanshi, as in 2x gun ult 1x drone ult, or the other way around?
graceful summit
Yea, 2 gun 1 drone
simple dew
Like<:EvilLiv:976915741888626738>
if you 3p before swapping off you dont have to do the dodge cancelled 3p when you swap back
you immediately have enough energy for ult1
graceful summit
Well more like
6 stack gun
30 stack drone
12 stack gun
Each rot
There's some variety but this one is simple enough
fluid gulch
if you 3p before swapping off you dont have to do the dodge cancelled 3p when yo...
but you still spend time for that 3p tho
tacit tiger
the ice buff is still there and the atk bonus is the same
hypertuned my class skill at vera
simple dew
why do i need to know this
tacit tiger
Does the amp take the highest or not?
eager oasis
do we have a BiS setup for fire team yet for HP Weather
simple dew
Does the amp take the highest or not?
yea
eager oasis
(do i go support vera or DPS vera, does lucia use einsteinia as qte bot..?, dlt vera VS axial)
buoyant jewel
i deleted the app off my phone months ago thinking i could relog back in. i tried earlier and started from the very start. now my stuff is gone?!?!?!??????
simple dew
In ice team<:EvilLiv:976915741888626738>
yes it takes veras atk buff
simple dew
i deleted the app off my phone months ago thinking i could relog back in. i trie...
did you login on the correct server
tacit tiger
yes it takes veras atk buff
Ok pookie
buoyant jewel
did you login on the correct server
oh that makes sense. thanks. ill recheck.
tacit tiger
Thank god I have 2 builds ready for vera
upbeat phoenix
How do I set bianca to start in raydiance?
young badge
change it during party set up
granite vessel
What is teddy's prefered color orbs?
zenith kernel
What is teddy's prefered color orbs? <:TeddyTooSmug:1452624055428710460>
None
It doesn't matter
granite vessel
zenith kernel
granite vessel
oh queen behavior
zenith kernel
<:KareninaGasp:910236491362488370>
Her orbs are all white
Red /Blue/yellow are special orbs
buoyant jewel
did it work
yes! tysmmmm
simple dew
split sail
anyone know what mems and rot should be done in WZ for fire team 232 122? no vera CUB if that matters, been trying some scuffed stuff like SS Wata CUB on Vera and Lingya on Wata doing 1/1/2 rots
radiant panther
Guys I heard rumors that rosetta is Dark/TS construct, does any rumor has a connection with this info?
radiant panther
Don't talk about leaks <:clueless:1226095710383112252>
I know I need other rumors
fluid gulch
Her orbs are all white
Red /Blue/yellow are special orbs
Black orbs when
zenith kernel
I know I need other rumors
The rumors, and these are just rumors nowhere near grounded in reality, might possibly be true in a fictional world if you think about it
Idk
simple dew
Black orbs when
rainbow orbs when
zenith kernel
simple dew
There are no leaks in Ba sing se.
radiant panther
guess we floating huh
noble zinc
smol company
plain oyster
radiant panther
simple dew
is teddoor in babylonia
radiant panther
Why commandant has no voice, kuro?? 
simple dew
Why commandant has no voice, kuro?? <:cri:861289822168416296>
we need rover va in pgr
simple dew
rover va as skk
radiant panther
rover va as skk
I guess the aura farming is real huh
plain oyster
simple dew
is teddoor in babylonia
answer, yes
wind hemlock
Between bugged pcc rewards and Wuwa being a memory leak compilation, Kuro's TI team decided to take a vacation
keen sable
gray beacon
meager sleet
keen meteor
🤔 bear pls die
peak halo
W45 cant die
keen meteor
W45 cant die<:RosettaDisappointed:860293319971700766>
it will tomorrow !
peak halo
simple dew
🤔 bear pls die
stray siren
My bracket is full of small players, so it's a vacation week
carmine reef
My goat
gilded flint
is 14s monzano not possible for 2.332 211 111?
peak halo
My bracket is full of small players, so it's a vacation week
Shtra still can used?
stray siren
Ngl Teddy, Wanshi Qu is really funny team
peak halo
stray siren
Shtra still can used?
SS3 Teddy + WanSSShit is probably 10M
peak halo
I know
peak halo
SS3 Teddy + WanSSShit is probably 10M
But whats the rot for qu team?
carmine reef
I need it to be new years already so i can buy shards
peak halo
Same but for sss
stray siren
But whats the rot for qu team?
I am doing
Wanshi 12 bullet one rot and 18 + 12 another rot, thus to infinity
Teddy 🔴🟡🔵
Qu one normal Ult
In SS3 Wanshi and Teddy get the available QTEs, only Qu does not receive Wanshi's QTE
peak halo
I am doing
Wanshi 12 bullet one rot and 18 + 12 another rot, thus to infinity ...
Normal qu mean ba
stray siren
Yeah
peak halo
Also this should work with sss qukra
stray siren
I don't know, I think Qu SSS should achieve 2 ultimates in that same time
stray siren
Ah yes she is using DV, so it's probably the same, one ult per rot
simple dew
My bracket is full of small players, so it's a vacation week
not the hyperreal getting wheelchaired by vera
carmine reef
4 sig 4 dv?
stray siren
I hd and ba ult i guess
No, SSS Qu does not use HD iirc
stray siren
4 sig 4 dv?
Yes
simple dew
https://huaxu.app/eu/players/24312522/characters which team would do the best on the dark node
special dispatch
fire?
stray siren
Gonna try that later
This is the rot, But I missed a breakpoint here. I'm not sure what I did in that 7.9 run, was unga unga 
noble zinc
Will help
Super cope breakpoints
Incan boosts qte nuke
Offield
Main
Hits hard
Low invest delulu
Incan
noble zinc
I have a free reso and teddy only needs r2 with i seen
you fk whel can just swipe for reso
You chill
Me in danger
Still remember when I trashed 4 sig
It's in inventory
peak halo
you fk whel can just swipe for reso<:KareninaSlap:706607412605353984>
No swipe
Im dolphin
golden merlin
🐬, 🐳, same thing
peak halo
Yeah but dolphin means on my case limited budget
I just made everything which possible with 100$
peak halo
noble zinc
If don't have pc really dont bother skins
It's just downgrades your games performance
Yeah wata cotting looks fire anyway
peak halo
True
But cant buy it
Im out of budget
woeful root
Am satisfied
golden merlin
If don't have pc really dont bother skins
I play pc
Except its a potato
woeful root
Maining vera is actually very easy 
golden merlin
Am satisfied
Get this
||not my image||
woeful root
Bit sad I can't get higher tho cuz held back by invest
peak halo
Get this
||not my image||
No show him 444 teams
woeful root
Get this
||not my image||
keen meteor
what fire score for 232 fire @noble zinc @stray siren
noble zinc
9+ aim
keen meteor
fruck
noble zinc
keen meteor
fire done lfg
golden merlin
What score for ss vera ss3 dante 3s wata
peak halo
8m is casul score
noble zinc
What score for ss vera ss3 dante 3s wata
No idea I never played low invest dante
keen meteor
What reso your
232 223 s pyro ss wata ss vera cubs
noble zinc
fire done lfg
Donte lao got 8.5
noble zinc
<@820517037284917299> why wave score so bad <:KareninaSlap:706607412605353984>
@keen meteor
stray siren
what fire score for 232 fire <@820517037284917299> <@674018593674887168>
10, maybe, there is a player with 11M, but I don't know if SS3 Vera and Lulu
noble zinc
10, maybe, there is a player with 11M, but I don't know if SS3 Vera and Lulu
11 is 2.332
Breakpoints real cope
keen meteor
okay I can give it one more try
noble zinc
Without nuke-3 waves i guess min
woeful root
Vera luv actually fun
stray siren
11 is 2.332
Noted, I lost track of him on the leaderboard, all I know is that he's a player from Vietnam f2p
woeful root
Teddy memories?
4p Joanne chen
celest drum
I see, who becomes qte bot now?
woeful root
Sss wanshi ss qu team
Qu ded, slot in another amp
celest drum
Probably ayla
celest drum
Qu ded, slot in another amp
3rd place I'll be using SSS ishmael on now
woeful root
How invested is ur Ayla
celest drum
🥀
woeful root
Ur Lilick 3S?
celest drum
Yea
woeful root
R3?
peak halo
Probably ayla
No 3s r2 gen3 amp if had
If not sss teddy
woeful root
Wat about ish
woeful root
Then slot in Lilick
peak halo
Ish not work cuz tank amp in the team already
celest drum
Ah
woeful root
Give her DV/eins/guin n ur set
celest drum
Sure that's built already
woeful root
Ish not work cuz tank amp in the team already
Totally forgot about that
woeful root
No need for dlt on Lilick btw
woeful root
Yep
peak halo
1 bluestack +3 stack ults
golden merlin
Bluestacks?
peak halo
Yep
woeful root
Idk teddy rot either for ss3
For starter it's
Swap> yellow> Ult1> HBa> blue> ult2> 3p×3> red> Ult1> p3×3> red> HBa> blue> BaBa> yellow> ult2> swap out
noble zinc
Noted, I lost track of him on the leaderboard, all I know is that he's a player ...
Can ask me too if not sure something if know will help 
woeful root
2nd swap onward you straight up ult1 immediately on 1st rot
But u need to triple ult with wanshi
stray siren
Can ask me too if not sure something if know will help <:hmmThumbU:8612958468083...
Thanks Nukelao
peak halo
But the game sucks on bluestacks
Hohh forgot thaz emulator
scenic jetty
Does getting rigor sig weapon is the safest way??
noble zinc
Thanks Nukelao
Now finally
golden merlin
But i honestly have no idea what you meant by bluestack
Idk how to play teddy
Help
golden merlin
Does getting rigor sig weapon is the safest way??
Get the bow.
stray siren
Does getting rigor sig weapon is the safest way??
No, the bow for Alisa, if you don't have Veronica
woeful root
First bracket wher I get a score above 13mil
stray siren
Now finally
woeful root
Wish I could get better score on dark wz doe
celest drum
But u need to triple ult with wanshi
Ight got it
golden merlin
No, the bow for Alisa, if you don't have Veronica
I dont think rosetta and vero have same weapon do they???
celest drum
Wish I could get better score on dark wz doe
Same I keep forgetting I have to hold the ult
Ragebait
sonic citrus
I dont think rosetta and vero have same weapon do they???
They don't.
golden merlin
They don't.
Then why’d Queso say get bow if dont have vero?
sonic citrus
Then why’d Queso say get bow if dont have vero?
The bow is for alisa
woeful root
Then why’d Queso say get bow if dont have vero?
It's for Alisa
stray siren
Then why’d Queso say get bow if dont have vero?
Because Vero > Alisa, if newbie
If you don't have Vero, then you get the bow for Alisa
woeful root
Rosetta use a lance/shield or whatever that is
golden merlin
Get bow for alisa glacio
golden merlin
Rosetta use a lance/shield or whatever that is
I get it
I just completely misunderstood
The reasoning
woeful root
sonic citrus
peak halo
But i honestly have no idea what you meant by bluestack
Meant hold ba when first ult
split sail
what fire score for 232 fire <@820517037284917299> <@674018593674887168>
how the heck, what kinda rot/builds? i've been getting 5-7m depending on week/weather in Hero with 1/1/2 rots, tho i don't have vera CUB, been trying some scuffed stuff like SS Wata CUB on Vera and Lingya on Wata doing
golden merlin
Meant hold ba when first ult
Eh
How does teddy work
woeful root
Wait I haven't checked but current fire weather is wat
split sail
vera
woeful root
keen meteor
@noble zinc there is an alpha on lucia swap which sent me from +8 to -1 
I don't know if it's worth malding for her to behave and die early
keen meteor
how the heck, what kinda rot/builds? i've been getting 5-7m depending on week/we...
just standard rot
golden merlin
golden merlin
I don't know if it's worth malding for her to behave and die early
Do it
Mald more
keen meteor
Do it
Mald more
no I need to save energy
golden merlin
For
keen meteor
for killing that w45
golden merlin
…
split sail
just standard rot
maybe idk what standard is, i've been doing starter pyro -> wata 6blaze -> 2x vera (inconsistent with the cancels and timing) -> pyro 1e, repeat
tacit tiger
Fun fact: ||Base S teddy have the same amp as ayla 3s||
This could apply to other gen 3 amps as well
heady hemlock
Should I use her recommended build or another build
golden merlin
How do i do wata 6blaze consistently
I dont rly fully understand him and kinda spam stuff and end up with 5 sometimes
golden merlin
Should I use her recommended build or another build
Do 4sig 4chen
tacit tiger
How do i do wata 6blaze consistently
I dont rly fully understand him and kinda ...
Leap?
heady hemlock
Do 4sig 4chen
Alright thanks!!
golden merlin
Swap ult1 basic hold dodge blaze x4 ult2
Oh.
noble zinc
<@820517037284917299> there is an alpha on lucia swap which sent me from +8 to -...
Alpha
carmine reef
You get extra 2 stacks from leap passive
keen meteor
maybe idk what standard is, i've been doing starter pyro -> wata 6blaze -> 2x ve...
wata starter > vera single rot and 3p before swap off > lucia 1e and 3p+ba before swap off > wata rot
and then do vera double and lucia 1e1s throughout the rest of the run
golden merlin
That's it
Wait but i dont have enough energy to ult right after swap
I use 4alphonse 4dv
carmine reef
You haven't leaped wata then
split sail
wata starter > vera single rot and 3p before swap off > lucia 1e and 3p+ba befor...
oh 0 wata time after 1st set of rots?
golden merlin
You haven't leaped wata then
Whattt
I swear i have
carmine reef
Either you did not fully level the leap skills, or you are missing the swap in
keen meteor
oh 0 wata time after 1st set of rots?
no wata will have time between lucia and vera throughout the run
golden merlin
Either you did not fully level the leap skills, or you are missing the swap in
Please kill me i am dumb
I start wata
tacit tiger
Is it better to 2 qte ult or 1 qte ult for ppc vera?
carmine reef
Kekw
golden merlin
carmine reef
Not like starting wata changes much
split sail
no wata will have time between lucia and vera throughout the run
hm rn with my 1e/6blaze/2x vera theres basically no time to fit in a 1s without delaying swaps longer
golden merlin
Just do a 3p
What is faster
keen meteor
hm rn with my 1e/6blaze/2x vera theres basically no time to fit in a 1s without ...
you need to be faster
and you will have time
carmine reef
You can cancel the 3p with ult1
split sail
fknskill issue isit
carmine reef
It is technically faster to swap in but you do wata starter when you don't want the other 2 to be on swap cd
golden merlin
K thats what ive been doing
carmine reef
For example in df you do wata start if you want to do 1 rot vera into liv
split sail
For example in df you do wata start if you want to do 1 rot vera into liv
don't you need to do 1rot vera into liv? else no stacks for df
carmine reef
don't you need to do 1rot vera into liv? else no stacks for df
2 rot vera is also a thing u know
And for that you can do liv start
golden merlin
Does wata get fieldtime in df after start?
golden merlin
I got 3s wata but only ss3 liv ss0 vera
split sail
2 rot vera is also a thing u know
oh ok i thought you were saying some sort of no vera rot start
heady hemlock
Do 4sig 4chen
Sig = signa right just double checking
golden merlin
Sig = signa right just double checking
No no no no no
heady hemlock
golden merlin
My mistake that was unclear
4sig mean her signature memory
heady hemlock
My mistake that was unclear
4sig mean her signature memory
OHHH
Almost made a mistake LMAO
Ty Ty
golden merlin
OHHH
Almost made a mistake LMAO
Ty Ty
4Joanna 4 chen
keen meteor
fknskill issue isit
it's always a prac issue
golden merlin
Although full sss can squeeze him in too
Ok im too lazy to figure this out
carmine reef
doesn't apply to you anyway
you are not full sss team
you are doing normal wata swap
split sail
it's always a prac issue
i thought i was ok with sometimes getting the vera cancels right, didn't realize my skill issue is so slow its like 3-4m off
keen meteor
i thought i was ok with sometimes getting the vera cancels right, didn't realize...
okay getting vera cancel right "somtimes" is diabolical
heady hemlock
4Joanna 4 chen
Final question for her resonance which should I use
fluid gulch
It's not that hard tbh
keen meteor
it shouldn't be a matter of yes or no, it should be a matter of how quick I can do it
carmine reef
gotdam i was about to link my df vid and then realized i never uploaded it
split sail
btw for vera you can't just be pinging 3b and 3r right after her ult animations appear to stop right, there's some window where input isn't accepted and then if you burn a dodge without doing the 3p properly you end up short on dodge gauge?
keen meteor
It's not that hard tbh
like I said, practice diff that' all
carmine reef
btw for vera you can't just be pinging 3b and 3r right after her ult animations ...
? just mash
keen meteor
btw for vera you can't just be pinging 3b and 3r right after her ult animations ...
yeah you can't waste dodges on her
carmine reef
as soon as the ping happens dodge
golden merlin
you are doing normal wata swap
Im not
My wata is not going onfield 
carmine reef
"you are doing" as in this is what you should be doing
liv 2 full rot, wata 1 rot, vera 2 rot
golden merlin
Liv start?
split sail
? just mash
reaction time not good enough, gotta premove between ping and dodge for speed
carmine reef
if liv start, vera 2 rot
if wata start, vera 1 rot 1st swap
golden merlin
Oh alr
split sail
if liv start, vera 2 rot
if wata start, vera 1 rot 1st swap
what situation for which
keen meteor
you can't get quick with reaction, it should be muscle memory
golden merlin
gotdam i was about to link my df vid and then realized i never uploaded it
Please upload
Vera cancel is for 2 ults duing amp buff right?
split sail
yeah its a little better when i single right thumb it instead of trying to crossover my left thumb which also has to handle QTEs
carmine reef
yes
fluid gulch
yes
golden merlin
I get the 2nd ult literally milliseconds after amp buff ends EVERY TIME
Or like
I only succeed like 5% of the time
Help i suck at this game
fluid gulch
git gud
carmine reef
gotta get faster
you can manage it in like 9 seconds
in df with liv super qte you can do it in 8
split sail
how does super qte help
carmine reef
so if you're not managing 10 there's still a good bit of improvement to go
carmine reef
how does super qte help
dodge cd
golden merlin
so if you're not managing 10 there's still a good bit of improvement to go
Potato lags and i lose time
carmine reef
normally there's like the half second between dodges right
you can dodge, super qte, then when the timestop ends dodge again
split sail
what the zaza
carmine reef
for the purposes of the rotation its as if you did the two dodges instantly
golden merlin
so if you're not managing 10 there's still a good bit of improvement to go
My laptop too bad
carmine reef
tuff
golden merlin
always blame lag and not skill issue
keen meteor
frick this alpha
carmine reef
at least it's believable for vera
split sail
wait don't you need to wait for vera's hold atk for a bit before dodge canceling the 2nd phase
or is it totally limited by dodge cd
carmine reef
that's what you get to ignore with the super qte
golden merlin
you wait until the sideways slashes before dodgex2 i think
keen meteor
wait don't you need to wait for vera's hold atk for a bit before dodge canceling...
just record ur vid and send so someone can take a look
fluid gulch
Ohhh
golden merlin
you wait until the sideways slashes before dodgex2 i think
While hold ba
split sail
oh you're skipping some hold BA time not the cd between dodges got it
carmine reef
you can also do what magma does where he uses super qte to speed up the 6r instead
i just prefer doing between the hold ba dodges because i think that's the better dv window
golden merlin
oh you're skipping some hold BA time not the cd between dodges got it
No
Hold ba has 3 parts
Dodge cancel first 2
split sail
thats not in question
golden merlin
And super qte makes dodge cancels faster
carmine reef
oh you're skipping some hold BA time not the cd between dodges got it
well it is both
split sail
im just realizing how the super qte dodge refresh works
carmine reef
it doesn't refresh anything
it's just that the time between dodges is hard coded and passes in real time
timestop pauses the timer but still counts as real time
split sail
yes yes semantics
'refresh' from the perspective of the game timer, not a real refresh
carmine reef
anyway
you should already have been saving liv qte for vera rot in df to begin with, but this is an extra reason to do so
not only cause it can speed up vera rot, but also it actively screws up wata rot
breaks his blaze chaining
split sail
whoops definitely been using it then
carmine reef
it's kinda dumb that it works this way with regards to mechanical inputs and i don't like the precedent it sets for breaking other characters' rots
split sail
how do you avoid it
carmine reef
just don't use it during wata
which you shouldn't be doing anyway, like i said
even without the timestop, should leave attacker qte for vera so she can do double qte with dv
split sail
oh right he's got the DV and he swaps into vera
carmine reef
liv is the bath applier after all
so you should do liv (delay) wata, and then have the second liv qte on standby for whenever you go into a next wave
for bath uptime during vera rots
split sail
and i guess there's no worry about wasting ss3 liv QTE burst cuz DF doesn't get that
carmine reef
ye
golden merlin
so you should do liv (delay) wata, and then have the second liv qte on standby f...
Oh THATS how you use qtes
I just spam them
carmine reef
but this is the strat for handling qte nukes also
so you can have second qte nuke on standby to use when it's most appropriate
stray siren
carmine reef
cause otherwise you only get to qte nuke during dv window, which is the worst time to use it on vera
since that's also vera's damage peak
split sail
if you wait too long won't it mean the attacker QTE isn't avail next time before the DV QTE
carmine reef
so you're most likely overkilling
that's not true
with the edit yeah sure but
double qte nuke in dv window is not what you want in wz lol
you can do that for ppc but in wz that's just bad
you're just going to hella overkill and waste both the nuke and the vera ult
acoustic grail
is the new omniframe good? i havent played pgr ina while
carmine reef
yes
split sail
i'm thinking more in general, though tbh i find QTE nukes not as strong as "nuke" makes it sound
unless it's missing somehow idk
carmine reef
they are very strong, you just maybe aren't putting enough thought into where you use them
split sail
i've got ss3 selena and liv and both been kinda disappointing
like how many bars is it clearing off a boss or bear
carmine reef
yeah idk bro liv and lucia nukes are juice
i have ss0 selena so can't comment
even sss cw qte nuke is juice
split sail
how many bars is it, does it clear a w8 boss by itself or smth
carmine reef
i can't answer that
it would be different every week
in hero it might
in legend idk
split sail
looking for ballpark for what "juice" means
fluid gulch
i have ss0 selena so can't comment
Selena's QTE nuke is the weakest among all imo, haven't really noticed it doing any significant dmg
split sail
selena scam ss3
split sail
they are very strong, you just maybe aren't putting enough thought into where yo...
they're supposed to be on the order of 6000% right? should be ult level damage ish?
split sail
well, sss also tends to be somewhat close to dbl ult dmg
and 100% EDB is diluted a decent amt so not rly dbl
but yeah if thats the case, the nukes haven't been nuking for me other than liv's super qte, maybe i'll record a vid sometime
i think i heard ppl mention before that wanshi also has a QTE nuke but that seems weird cuz he's not an attacker
carmine reef
Please upload
golden merlin
https://youtu.be/4w5gc0BGyO8
Ty
carmine reef
i think i heard ppl mention before that wanshi also has a QTE nuke but that seem...
he does but it's different, and it's because he was the prototype
wanshi gets one qte nuke after he does ult2
doesn't trigger if only ult1, and second or later qte is normal, until he does it again
split sail
oh that +1000? pretty weak for a 'nuke' for qtes that are alr 600
carmine reef
it's weak compared to modern attackers but he was the first one
and it's still pretty powerful even now tbh
simple dew
oh
After leaving the battlefield, Lucid Dreamer deals 900% extra Ice DMG when casting Point Blank (qte). This effect only triggers once per switch-out.
carmine reef
haven't used it with teddy but it was really good with qu cause you could clear entire waves during stairs
and then qu would have fresh wave for her actual ult2 dmg
if you synced the qte up fully with dv
so usually i would do just straight qtes same time on first qu rot, then i would do staggered for double qte on second rot
split sail
unless it gets buffed base dmg somewhere in the kit, going from 600 to 1500 qte is eh, esp if you double qte then you're only going from 600+600 to 1500+600
carmine reef
i feel like you're seriously misunderstanding how wz should be approached
split sail
sounds like you need a pretty finely tuned run for it to hit a breakpoint
carmine reef
it's not a numbers game, it's a distribution game
carmine reef
it very frequently and very easily gave me better breakpoints in wz
split sail
we dodge cancel stuff on that level all the time as meaningless dmg
celest drum
Teddy bottom reso?
carmine reef
consider that qu's rot is so very sensitive to breakpoint because overkilling a wave with ult2 essentially wastes the entire ult
split sail
ult
carmine reef
same thing with vera
upfront these qte nukes already do a lot of dmg as i can see, but even if you don't agree, it should be clear that even "small" things can immediately shift breakpoints for much larger score improvement
split sail
6000 is a nuke yeah, 900 is not
carmine reef
alright man
split sail
how much time do you spend on one WZ to find your route
split sail
easy to do in first 1 or 2 rots yeah, but takes way more time if you're trying to figure out stuff 1:30 in
carmine reef
not really
split sail
well, how long
carmine reef
for qte nukes it should be pretty obvious when you can take one out or when you can add one in
because it's a big hit in a singular concentrated point
wanton hatch
carmine reef
it's not a microadjustment, it's pretty big
simple dew
6000 is a nuke yeah, 900 is not
where does the 6000% come from
split sail
where does the 6000% come from
basic qte 600 * 10
split sail
it's not a microadjustment, it's pretty big
yeah i have no issue with that for the modern attackers
but if you take 4hrs a week to do wz then clearly i shouldn't be comparing to your standard of ability/score/route perfection
split sail
whats the 10
noble zinc
how much time do you spend on one WZ to find your route
12hr
carmine reef
i feel like, as a meta player, anytime you are even attempting a new route you should be able to immediately tell when a situation would warrant a change in qte nuke handling
carmine reef
because, again, they are big
it's not a tiny microadjustment you have to really lab out like removing a dodge cancel
they're phat and don't require that much adjustment to begin with
golden merlin
Base dmg +1000%
Not total qte dmg 1000% higher
split sail
i doubt i fit your definition of meta player, but again, roughly how long, on avg, do you spend on wz a week? if its 12hr like the other guy
wanton hatch
Nuke doesn't count he's too dalao
noble zinc
12hr to find route not run get done
carmine reef
if it's not a new zone i barely even mald, maybe like 2-3 hrs a week
nowadays i only mald for new stuff
last week i probably played wz for like an hour total
s teddy 
split sail
Base dmg +1000%
Not total qte dmg 1000% higher
man base dmg multipiliers are confusing in this game, and 1600 is not even close to ult-lvl damage then
simple dew
wanshis qte is 1500%
carmine reef
it's not 1600
simple dew
1 time use tho
carmine reef
it is 6000
golden merlin
man base dmg multipiliers are confusing in this game, and 1600 is not even close...
Its not that hard
Just ignore the % sign
carmine reef
you are incorrect
split sail
Its not that hard
Just ignore the % sign
well apparently you're wrong, and my understanding of PGRs numbers are as good as i thought
golden merlin
For base dmg increases ignore the % sign
Or like
Add the numbers
carmine reef
but it is understandable to be confused
because kuro is not consistent with their wording
golden merlin
For rankups and stuff i think its total dmg % increase
light basin
Is it worth vouchering Luna if I already have SS3?
carmine reef
an increase in BASE dmg means multiplicative
split sail
but yeah i've seen tons of talk over the months about ss3 attackers being in the 6000 range for nuking
simple dew
so is it 6600% or 1600%
split sail
Is it worth vouchering Luna if I already have SS3?
if you buy BP then ya sss is fat
golden merlin
an increase in BASE dmg means multiplicative
Huh then wanshi should do 6000% then?!
carmine reef
no
split sail
Huh then wanshi should do 6000% then?!
no.
carmine reef
because wanshi's does not say increase in base dmg
wanshi's is adding 900% ice dmg to his existing 600% ice dmg
aka 1500% ice dmg
an attacker ss3 says qte base dmg +1000%
split sail
Huh then wanshi should do 6000% then?!
read wanshi's skill:
carmine reef
aka a modification to the qte, not just adding a set amount
simple dew
so is it 6600% or 1600%
split sail
i think the question really is if its 6000 or 6600
carmine reef
oh
golden merlin
because wanshi's does not say increase in base dmg
Ok wait yea
I understand it right i just said it backwards
carmine reef
it is 6600 mb lol
simple dew
i think the question really is if its 6000 or 6600
1600
golden merlin
Im stuoid
carmine reef
wanshi is 15\00
golden merlin
Stuoid
simple dew
golden merlin
Stupid
carmine reef
attackers is 6600
golden merlin
God i cant type
golden merlin
im just gonna go test it myself
It’s probably 6600
100% + 1000% = 1100%
600x11=6,600
simple dew
It’s probably 6600
100% + 1000% = 1100%
600x11=6,600
does sss pyro deal 13200% then
golden merlin
Ok so base dmg increase means total dmg increases by that much
Dmg increase means add the percentages together
simple dew
Deals 100% more Extra DMG during the Flickering Ember status.
golden merlin
does sss pyro deal 13200% then
Yeai guess so
golden merlin
> Deals 100% more Extra DMG during the Flickering Ember status.
+100% edb i guess?
So if have other edb buffs then almost x2 dmg
carmine reef
does sss pyro deal 13200% then
no
sss is 100% edb to off field dmg, which is a lot lot lot, but it's not the same as just doubling base dmg
simple dew
is qte not off field dmg
split sail
edb will be diluted with other sources
simple dew
golden merlin
So
6600% dmg with an additional 100% edb
carmine reef
depending on the setup it might still end up close to double
split sail
but overall prob still a 75-85% in real dmg or so
golden merlin
So total dmg technically bigger than 13200
golden merlin
Eh
split sail
dmg is always bigger than the % number once you account for all the variables of shred and stuff
carmine reef
most likely slightly under
golden merlin
But 6600
With edb higher than 100?
split sail
but in a like-for-like comparison you assume the other sources of EDB are same
split sail
so dilution means +100% EDB is less than +100% final dmg
golden merlin
Well ok
But total dmg
carmine reef
just consider it to be a little under doubling
simple dew
just consider it as "a bit more"
split sail
so going from 25 EDB to 125 EDB is an 80% dmg increase
vocal lynx
I timed all my qtes, applied shred for every wave
carmine reef
well you're missing 12 from supertune
vocal lynx
It’s just that at the end my Vera ult didn’t one shot
carmine reef
plus some from mems sometimes
vocal lynx
I didn’t have enough damage at sig 1 and my qtes were used
split sail
yeah a bunch of small sources here and there
golden merlin
well you're missing 12 from supertune
Hypertune
carmine reef
we call it supertune because hypertune itself does not provide the edb, it's from the sequence pact
golden merlin
just consider it as "a bit more"
“+ ____ %” —> “more dmg”
golden merlin
we call it supertune because hypertune itself does not provide the edb, it's fro...
Oh.
vocal lynx
See? Everyone else has SS3 Lucia
They also have Veras CUB
Mind you, I used Watanabes sig cub on Vera
golden merlin
Use dante
carmine reef
why are you surprised
vocal lynx
But I swear I timed my qtes right on every wave and my Vera was consistent with her rotation
vocal lynx
Whaaat
split sail
prob just need to go faster, i score a little bit higher with 232 122 and apparently i should be able to hit 9m or smth
carmine reef
no?
vocal lynx
prob just need to go faster, i score a little bit higher with 232 122 and appare...
I see
Uhhh
I will try again I guess
split sail
I see
#📨・meta-help message here's the start me asking abt it an hr or so ago
or rther, here's my question in reply to that: #📨・meta-help message
split sail
But I swear I timed my qtes right on every wave and my Vera was consistent with ...
can always record a vid and these guys will shred it apart 😛
carmine reef
i remember i was scoring in 5m range prior to wata leap
when i had like 222 or 2.322
gilded flint
Zex how much ppc lao are you?
keen meteor
where the icelaos at? does teddy need dlt for her double rot?
tacit tiger
With 22.32.3 111 HERO?
I got 5.7m with 2.32.32.3 but I messed up wanshi bullets and I don't have his cub
gilded flint
thats for fire
tacit tiger
thats for fire
Ok
carmine reef
just 1tap and out
keen meteor
so I can just r2 her and she'll be good for raydiance and ice both
tacit tiger
just 1tap and out
With vera?
gilded flint
oh shi wrong reply
carmine reef
when exppc rank actually mattered, and when i had less developed teams and less consistent invest
carmine reef
nowadays ib is too high of a bar for my invest to compete, and exppc feels worthless to mald
not to mention half the ppc malding techs nowadays are just bug abuse/exploit lmao
vocal lynx
Nearly 32 waves 🫤
carmine reef
not how i'm tryna play the game
vocal lynx
I got 5.7m with 2.32.32.3 but I messed up wanshi bullets and I don't have his cu...
Wanshii!?
simple dew
after ult she deals
~180000
normal sierra
not to mention half the ppc malding techs nowadays are just bug abuse/exploit lm...
always has been 
gilded flint
Only reason Im malding ppc this wz is because Im apparently 8th on monzano
must get higher
golden merlin
ok its 6600% dmg
W
carmine reef
always has been <:BiancaInnocent:703262391261069352>
yeah that's fair, i just mean wrt what i was saying earlier, that when i was a weaker account and a newer player, it was fun to mald ppc to actually improve my execution
simple dew
after eclipse ~370000
no buffs no nothing just herself alpne
carmine reef
nowadays i know the mechanics and my invest is consistent, so the only improvements to mald in ppc are just bugs and game exploits
normal sierra
there are plenty of kills that doesn't use any bugs, just very fast execution and ppc specific sets
normal sierra
I still like to mald it, never did it for the rewards, just for my own satisfaction 
carmine reef
and you can't really top exppc without doing the exploits
simple dew
cant top exppc without the wallet
normal sierra
but if they don't then i'm probably doing them already
did you do 9s knight schulz last week with void?