📨・meta-help

[wicked sinew]

Tight this tight that

Just play WWM and dance on sky

[radiant panther]

5.58m 3 vs 5.56m diff 2 but 3 is more forgiving

[naive apex]

I think it also depends if you've got SSS Wanshi or not. SSS Wanshi is wasting more time on the 3-ult than below.

[radiant panther]

2.332.3 Teddy Wanshi Lilith 011 Teddy no mem reso and weap

[buoyant hornet]

Btw I wanna show you the current dark warzone team (fun fact scire aged so badly that she's straight up worse than ishmael at most team invests lmfao)

Scire SSS r2 or brick

Kamui new dark tank needed

[radiant panther]

wait its ultima slash???

[carmine roost]

Freestyle

Freestyle is the new ice rot

[orchid owl]

but what can wanshi do about the downtime alone

it's crazy

[surreal mural]

phys

[buoyant hornet]

@true pivot is teddy tricky or difficult to learn in wz or is she braindead

[true pivot]

tricky

[orchid owl]

can he even get enough orbs even with DLT?

[buoyant hornet]

read pookie

[radiant panther]

Im blind temporarily

[carmine roost]

Her double rot practically consumes all existing orb

[simple dew]

swap to qu

[graceful summit]

It's if you did 3 stack ult on teddy before swapping out and doing 3 ult wanshi
Also you can just do 1 short 1 long(or 2 long) to not have downtime

[carmine roost]

But technically no

[buoyant hornet]

We're globlul pgr players illiteracy runs in our blood

[carmine roost]

Teddy first rot only need yellow orb, 0 signal orb used for first full rotation

[radiant panther]

7m damn

[buoyant hornet]

Guess it's gonna be fun then lol

[naive apex]

603k intensive battle on first attempt. Not bad.

[true pivot]

yea, its very fun, you should try it

[carmine roost]

One shall not forget that ss rank upgrade in teddy give her 3 orb on swap

[wicked sinew]

Just record and set it to chatgpt,ask them to analyze and go prompt "find a way to do it as efficient as possible"

[carmine roost]

[wicked sinew]

Yeah just PC,i won't say anything cause i don't fcking know anything bout the gsme anymore

[radiant panther]

LLMs are idiot in analyzing moveset unless you prepare them a dataset full of movements

[buoyant hornet]

I have a feeling I'll end up proccing her ult1 manually and pretend wanshi doesn't need 3ult until we get a new ice attacker

[naive apex]

Gotta go do christmas stuff

[buoyant hornet]

It's pretty easy for me to explain when you see it dw

[wicked sinew]

Use o-series model

Other model have the iq of toddler

[wicked sinew]

I'll just nod in process

[radiant panther]

Its not enough dawg unless you fed the llm with moveset dataset of every character and reference videos

[carmine roost]

Am I still the only one that's lagging whenever teddy casts her blue orb

[wicked sinew]

Isn't that obvious? Before asking them to analyze I'll just ask them to watch the characters moveset 50 times on YouTube or across the internet

Pretty much working fine for me

[sturdy nimbus]

Lilith>Ayla?

[carmine roost]

SSS Lilith has Qte reset compared to ayla

So there's that

Wasn't Ayla from CN setup?

[radiant panther]

I will not believe with such unconventional way training the ai

Damn I love the pain

[wicked sinew]

Believe what you want, It's working fine for me

[wanton hatch]

where sig

[graceful summit]

2 PC Joanna

[radiant panther]

next week

[wanton hatch]

[graceful summit]

Selena Scream AAAAAAA

Why not 4 Joanna 2 chen

[radiant panther]

I can either 4Joan tho ahahaha

[graceful summit]

4 Chen effect is already from wanshi anyway

[wanton hatch]

[steady otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867718398208245761/1441159170576482345/ADE22DA1B39190F49E08AF6DF40DE3A6.gif

[carmine roost]

Bro does not believe in 2x dmg boost from 4 Joannes

[graceful summit]

Brick setup fr

[wanton hatch]

omg Windlao

[carmine roost]

It's not even doubled base dmg that gets diluted with more buff, straight up 2x dmg on her ult2

[surreal mural]

ignition still did more we ball

[wanton hatch]

waht invest

[wicked sinew]

Wtf are you doing here

[wanton hatch]

[graceful summit]

Windlao how to 580k chiko broke
222.3 250
I'm so washed

[carmine roost]

Who are those 222.3

[graceful summit]

Selena han alisa

[surreal mural]

was that question for me or ?

[carmine roost]

U have hanying??

[buoyant hornet]

ss3 echo

[carmine roost]

Bro that's ez 590k

[graceful summit]

Yes I know that

I'm just washed af

I do not understand how ppc work

[carmine roost]

All you have to do is one flower ult Selena and 1 more Selena rot for chaos and 2 more for hell maybe

[wicked sinew]

Homeless invest

[wanton hatch]

yh u

[orchid owl]

man teddy rot too long to fit into amp buff without the ult start

[surreal mural]

SSSR1 Donte, SS0 Vera qte bot and SS3R2 nanami

[wanton hatch]

[carmine roost]

At least u have the correct setup for PPC rite?

[wanton hatch]

Wata 3s? ah vero where?

[carmine roost]

[buoyant hornet]

No sss echo or no veronica = brick dmg 😭 😭

[graceful summit]

Idk

[steady otter]

oh im sorry, today i just unboxing my new weapon
not touching any homeless invest yet

[graceful summit]

[wicked sinew]

Believe in hidden mechanic invention

[steady otter]

soon

[graceful summit]

Then I shall wait

[carmine roost]

Fck u mean idk

[carmine roost]

Whel

[surreal mural]

not using weapon resos on washed chara for 1 team

[carmine roost]

Time install linux

[wanton hatch]

[upbeat phoenix]

Is SS Teddy better than SSS Lilith for my Nihil team? I assume so, yeah?

[carmine roost]

Nope

[graceful summit]

Obv not

[plain oyster]

[orchid owl]

depends on your ish rank

[wanton hatch]

[upbeat phoenix]

SS

[steady otter]

[orchid owl]

then absolutely not

[wanton hatch]

woah

[graceful summit]

What the whel
UN_PoincoWOW

[wanton hatch]

rog

[orchid owl]

weapon from asus?

[steady otter]

Im tired with 1650 ti

[carmine roost]

Did that come with windows pre-installed or nah

[upbeat phoenix]

hm? How so?

Isnt Ishmael with Wanshi shred way better than with Darenina shred?

[buoyant hornet]

no

[orchid owl]

bro, I commend you for playing with that

[carmine roost]

Don't know much about laptop software

[steady otter]

Windows built in

[carmine roost]

Damn

[steady otter]

Dedge

[carmine roost]

11?

[steady otter]

Ye

[wanton hatch]

why daren, where wata

[orchid owl]

the tank buff only increases after SS3

for SS it should be the same

correct me dalaos

[upbeat phoenix]

ah I see

[carmine roost]

Does it have expendable storage slot ?

[steady otter]

actually, i need to buy 16 gigs ram tmr

[buoyant hornet]

SS0 + sig ishmael shred will be 25% shred regardless of element, Wanshi only has better shred at ss3 or above and your ishmael won't even scale to his ss3-sss shred so it doesn't matter

[wanton hatch]

[steady otter]

u mean 2nd slot ssd ?

[upbeat phoenix]

Here are the characters I can put in Nihil in the third slot:
SSS Lilith with sig
SSS Wanshi with sig
SSS Wata WITHOUT sig
SS Teddy with sig

[graceful summit]

16gb of ram?
In this economy?

[upbeat phoenix]

Which one should I pick

[graceful summit]

Omg

[steady otter]

😭

i dont have choice

[wanton hatch]

he's gonna go broke

[orchid owl]

honestly I'd say SSS wata but no sig means no dv

[carmine roost]

When mfs back to recommending 16gb again

[buoyant hornet]

Lilith ig

[steady otter]

im not gonna whaling on pgr like 4 patch

[graceful summit]

[upbeat phoenix]

Why lilith when Wanshi and Wata give way better shred?

[wanton hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[steady otter]

🦓

[upbeat phoenix]

they are all SSS after all

[orchid owl]

how much did you have

[wanton hatch]

cuz wanshi isn't gonna be having that shred field up 24/7

[buoyant hornet]

Because wanshi has problems with shred field uptime and wata without sig means no shakespeare/davinci and no shred reso on weapon

[steady otter]

16 gigs default

[carmine roost]

How much weapon reso you have on Lilith?

[upbeat phoenix]

i got one on her

[wanton hatch]

223 scores what 4?6?

[upbeat phoenix]

Ah I see thanks

[orchid owl]

ice or?

[wanton hatch]

void

[orchid owl]

and what team

SS or SSS ish?

[carmine roost]

Honestly, might worth to try SSS Wanshi

[wanton hatch]

loona ishy lilick

[orchid owl]

good question
6 mil maybe

[wanton hatch]

he can just try both of em no prob

[carmine roost]

Well, that's considering you want to learn how to play nihil team properly

[upbeat phoenix]

I'll try both a few times and see what works, thanks for the help

[wanton hatch]

idk score for post leap lunae

[upbeat phoenix]

I think I got the rotations down.. probably

[orchid owl]

for me it was 10 mil but I have a lot higher invest (333) and it could also be higher than that I was just slac

[carmine roost]

SSS Lilith is similar to SSS Wanshi, with SSS wata with sig is the best 3rd nihil member

[buoyant hornet]

Wata became great in void warzone specifically before his leap made his qte summon a shred field so he gives permanent shred uptime, beforehand he had the same issue as wanshi

[wanton hatch]

yh def higher

[carmine roost]

I think I can say SSS nana does similar performance to SSS wata

[buoyant hornet]

Only other tank that gives perm shred uptime is startrail

[wanton hatch]

wata faster

[upbeat phoenix]

I dont think she has shred on qte does she?

[wanton hatch]

nana gonna have to slam takes time

unless you don't slam

[orchid owl]

she does with herschell

[upbeat phoenix]

Ah

[orchid owl]

well she has shred by default but herschell makes it big

[graceful summit]

True but then ish would copy feral

[carmine roost]

Solo zone giving 6.5~6.8 avg with SSS Lilith with SSS wata bump it up to 7.7 avg both ss0 ish and Luna

SS3 Luna bumped my score by another 1m

At least in hero

[buoyant hornet]

this too lmao

[carmine roost]

You're right

[rotund fox]

Physical tank shred DEF?

[buoyant hornet]

Need a feral replacement lmao ss0 liv with old gen amp values is cooked

[orchid owl]

best amp for ice team? if all equal invest (SSS, R2 or higher)

[buoyant hornet]

both DEF and phys resistance

[graceful summit]

Next year surely
4copium

[carmine roost]

Nana has shred on Qte, but it doesn't lasts long and doesn't gets apply to multiple waves

Herschell fixes that and makes her shred uptime almost 100%

[buoyant hornet]

Ayla with x6 class

[orchid owl]

because of downtime?

[surreal mural]

because qte bot lmao

[crystal rune]

because of her fast qte

[orchid owl]

fast qte what

[carmine roost]

She can apply eins slightly faster

[orchid owl]

oh

[wanton hatch]

[buoyant hornet]

Nah if your ayla is sss with x6 class her amp passive becomes 24%+24% and overrides teddy's

[carmine roost]

Like half second difference

[orchid owl]

that's not slight

in game terms that's huge

[buoyant hornet]

Also if you run eins instead of 4guin ayla is better at eins application

[carmine roost]

Well I'm not robot enough to pinpoint how huge that is

[orchid owl]

time to reso ayla one final time

[carmine roost]

Ice team before teddy is kinda slowge as well

[buoyant hornet]

Btw @wicked sinew wata got a poggers leap recently

[orchid owl]

good?

[carmine roost]

The 3rd one is core

Time to reroll

[orchid owl]

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[carmine roost]

Lol

[buoyant hornet]

good just make sure not to attempt using 4guin on her lol

She flops at proccing 4guin

Lmao the only amp that has that issue

[orchid owl]

also I just checked

the math ain't mathing

[carmine roost]

Imagine being like that one guy that's been malding PPC for hours cuz he lack a VERRRY tiny bit more dmg and only realized one of his Alisa reso was core

[carmine roost]

Check SSS Ayla skill

[surreal mural]

SSS

[carmine roost]

It makes it fair

[buoyant hornet]

Read sss passive

[orchid owl]

ahhhhh the hidden numbers

I hate this
you get a buff and you have to calculate it yourself retroactively, it ain't showing up anywhere

[buoyant hornet]

old gen amps and their funny ridiculous sss buff

[orchid owl]

is that 4% really that much better doe

[wanton hatch]

[carmine roost]

Maybe

[orchid owl]

it's just minmaxing innit

[buoyant hornet]

Not by much lmao but it's here

[wanton hatch]

4% is 4%

[orchid owl]

[carmine roost]

Maybe yes, maybe no

If you're nuke you're likely able to see the diff

[buoyant hornet]

It's not like you have any reason NOT to run ayla here

[carmine roost]

Otherwise can't tell much

[orchid owl]

the stupid cow is ironically faster, that's the only reason she is still employed

[radiant panther]

6m cope no weap no mem reso Teddy

[buoyant hornet]

LMAO

[wanton hatch]

[orchid owl]

I'm not nuke
I'm not even idk
I'm just bad

[wanton hatch]

hi bad

[carmine roost]

I mean looking from his pgr screentime, I'm sure that mf knows the difference between top slot cottie and bottom slot cottie on a dps

[orchid owl]

when have time too slacc for pro
when don't have time too slow for pro

I'm just stuck in casual zone

[buoyant hornet]

hardcore casual frfr

[orchid owl]

guess I'll stick to my little bubble

[carmine roost]

I'm too broke to be in either casual and competitive side

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1448638548499632200/Untitled_8.png?ex=693ca608&is=693b5488&hm=eb55b8dcdc974d0ea4f48117787c8cccacdeebbf93ad6cb0657878e823f74ae9&

[orchid owl]

nahh you clearly competitive
just not whale

[upbeat phoenix]

Oh amplifier passives dont stack?

[carmine roost]

They always kick my balls in legend no matter which bracket

[radiant panther]

@graceful summit 4Joan kinda good lol

[carmine roost]

[buoyant hornet]

Nope the stronger one overrides the other

[orchid owl]

that's just rank diff unfortunately

[upbeat phoenix]

... can you tell me the difference

[upbeat phoenix]

I see, interesting

[graceful summit]

Wdym kinda
Double ult 2 damage

[carmine roost]

I'm no nuke

So no

[buoyant hornet]

It's mandatory

First good sig mem in ages

[carmine roost]

I'm confident to say that 95% of total pgr players shouldn't even be concerned with memory placement from how negligible the difference are especially if they're not reaching peak output with each character

Nuke is in the other 5%

[plain oyster]

[buoyant hornet]

Nuke in particular IS the remaining 5%

[wanton hatch]

y'know memo placements help in ib

[carmine roost]

[buoyant hornet]

Genuinely no one else sees a real difference with some slight buff increases lmao

[carmine roost]

Well that's just PPC being PPC

When SS cub has a very noticeable diff with SSS cub

[buoyant hornet]

I build in whatever way saves more hypertunes idc

Hts don't grow on trees

[wanton hatch]

my 2 Biancas having 5 memo sets of their own

[carmine roost]

Curse of PPC player

[buoyant hornet]

I started being a cheapstake and stealing hypertuned mems from old replaced characters lmfao

[carmine roost]

i think I remember someone posting all Stigmata memory set back then in fb

[wanton hatch]

I stole everything

[carmine roost]

That was funny

[wicked sinew]

Leap deez nut?

[buoyant hornet]

Stole cw's cotties and bianca's pattons

[wicked sinew]

The dedication of ppc malders

[orchid owl]

wanshi 3 rot so teddy can insta ult?

[wicked sinew]

Doing allat just to quit in few years

[buoyant hornet]

His leap alone caused my fire wz average score to go up by 1 mil

Even more at higher invests

Also increased my void score by over 1m

[graceful summit]

Wanshi 3 rot and teddy 3 stack ult before swap out

[carmine roost]

I'm pretty sure teddy kits says "if you do max stack ult, teddy gets off field energy passive thing" somewhere

But I don't remember anymore

[carmine roost]

You have to do both?

[orchid owl]

ah so that's why short ult first

[graceful summit]

It's on her weapon

[carmine roost]

[graceful summit]

Yea

[buoyant hornet]

sig

[carmine roost]

Yikes

[orchid owl]

weapon
each other character ult is 75 energy, can stack 3 times
she can ult with 200 energy

[fluid gulch]

Cottie has one of the highest atk stat in the game therefore placing it in bottom gives you a tiniest bit more atk

[buoyant hornet]

inb4 rosetta ice attacker

And f2p ice score hits 11m

[graceful summit]

Imagine Rosetta fire tank

[wicked sinew]

And others score too

[wanton hatch]

Dork tank

[wicked sinew]

I remember i have hanna set for my astral so i can 6s musashi

[carmine roost]

As much teddy wants other teammates to spam ult, it's kinda ironic that both wanshi and qu doesn't have ult1 lol

[graceful summit]

impossible

daren lives forever

[wanton hatch]

no

[buoyant hornet]

His leap also made his sss accessible even to f2p who manage their acc well, SSS leap wata makes 3 seperate teams much better (fire, void, ignition)

[limber yoke]

sss is baseline

[carmine roost]

Just 1 strong ult or strong ult with diff variant

Minimum rights

[wicked sinew]

Yeah prolly same case like capri back then

Minimum SSS now for wata

[buoyant hornet]

Pretty much yeah

[orchid owl]

ayla saving the team

pink hair meets pink hair

[carmine roost]

Now we only need new skin for wanshi with pink hair

Would be peak

[orchid owl]

ayla is a faker btw
she does NOT contribute to teddy ult for whatever reason

maybe energy consumption is taken into account

[carmine roost]

Lemao

[orchid owl]

it says nothing tho

[carmine roost]

Those 2 personalities once carried ice team

Now it's just a moral support

(it's a very effective moral support)

[simple dew]

does it have to be ult2

[orchid owl]

no

at least not according to kuro wording

"each time allies cast their signature move"

ayla has 2

teddy should be getting 75+75 each rot

[simple dew]

she doesnt?

[carmine roost]

Idk

You try

[orchid owl]

she gets nothing

let me record

[simple dew]

internet broke

[carmine roost]

That's brick

[simple dew]

[carmine roost]

Teddy hates another pink hair gurl???

[orchid owl]

it's not even a stack issue

I just tried a max stack ayla ult
still 0 energy for teddy besides intro skill

[simple dew]

has to be a new unit maybe

[orchid owl]

ah wait I'm so stupid

she can only "record" energy when she already cast a max stack ult

[simple dew]

stupid

[orchid owl]

and idk what the exposure mark is

[simple dew]

[crystal rune]

raydiance

[orchid owl]

ah so she doesn't get the ult charge if she is raydiance

how nice

[carmine roost]

It's no use for Raydiance

All teddy does in Gaydiance is swap in, yellow for 10 stack and swap out to Bianca

Nana sub dps

[simple dew]

kamui raydiance tank

[carmine roost]

Teddy ult still mostly ice even with Gaydiance picked

[simple dew]

[graceful summit]

Lilith problem but simpler

[carmine roost]

At least hold ba Lilith was doing something tho

[orchid owl]

yeah she only does raydiance when she puts a hacker mark on an enemy

oh wait

what is pulse noise penetration

[crystal rune]

its when she uhh

[carmine roost]

2nd Yellow after swap in

[orchid owl]

yellow ye found it

[carmine roost]

Does Gaydiance dmg and gives u 10 gay stack

Does SSS teddy instantly gives 20?

Haven't checked dat

[orchid owl]

so she can deal raydiance with yellow

after ult

she really be gutted in raydiance

she has like 10% off field raydiance damage and 10% on-field

[fluid gulch]

pak

midanca is still mid then

[orchid owl]

well on her own yeah

teddy is literally an enabler

nothing else

[fluid gulch]

Same as midanca

They're both enablers😭

[orchid owl]

how

[crystal rune]

bianca is kind of an enabler

[orchid owl]

like bianca can stack raydiance sure but she is also dealing it

[crystal rune]

shes both enabler and executioner

[hazy sandal]

Sounds edgy

[orchid owl]

so like dante

[hazy sandal]

Noted

[crystal rune]

a lot better than dante

[carmine roost]

Bianca first rot build stack by her own, 2nd rot is actually using them

[orchid owl]

[crystal rune]

sss teddy also makes bianca get 20 ray stx

i thought it would only be teddy herself

[carmine roost]

Damn

Double rot privilege

[orchid owl]

so DLT on ayla meta?

so that she can rot for that 1 time for teddy

[carmine roost]

What are we gang
2023?

[fluid gulch]

[orchid owl]

drop it or suffer

[simple dew]

🐳

[orchid owl]

the fine print:

[fluid gulch]

shh

[simple dew]

🐳

[fluid gulch]

I will, but not now

Still gotta get all shards from special dispatch

[orchid owl]

I can't find a way to fit wanshi 3 rot into 10s amp buff
and ayla can't consistently ult, unless..
idk what happens if she just does ult 1 and swaps off

[crystal rune]

because you cant

[carmine roost]

Honestly gang, idk if my 222 acc would get ss0 r0 cub teddy before this wz ends without pulling her

[orchid owl]

but she has 0 orb gen

[carmine roost]

[crystal rune]

but its still a lot better than giving ayla any field time

[orchid owl]

yeah so idk what to do I'm dumb like that

[icy otter]

2s bianca trash shut whel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1360894271552622623.webp?size=128&quality=lossless&name=smh_champ&animated=true

[carmine roost]

Time to freestyle

[orchid owl]

alright bet

[orchid owl]

did not work
got sub 10 mil

[carmine roost]

When in doubt, spam ult till win

[icy otter]

So who gonna dalao my ice

[carmine roost]

U

[orchid owl]

I got 8.01m

[carmine roost]

Now go learn

[orchid owl]

[icy otter]

Nuh uh

Learn with what bro

What teddy

I have no teddy no sig no cub

R0 qu

😭

[carmine roost]

Yuh uh

[icy otter]

Mods get his ass

[ripe stag]

Teddy is still 4 Joanna 4 Chen right?

Ult reso

[orchid owl]

WIP but that's one of the builds

as you know

some use cottie

[icy otter]

Why is ezra lilick now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/953114926774374470.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=WDYM

[ripe stag]

But what's the point of Cottie

[orchid owl]

idk man I'm not dalao

I don't even know what to do

[icy otter]

4pc edb crayz

[orchid owl]

I'm just a baby thrown into the swimming pool

[icy otter]

A baby with 3s units

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[orchid owl]

a baby with gucci swimming gear

[ripe stag]

It's Lilith from FGO

Not that fake Lilith from PGR

[simple dew]

whos fgo

[orchid owl]

no need to observe
8.01m ice with 2.133.1 122 111 nothing to see here

[icy otter]

I'm fgo

[simple dew]

fate gon order

[icy otter]

Nahhhh

It's mobs isn't it

Still

What the fraud

Ice always a fraud

Qu killed this element

[ripe stag]

Oh I got 8.8m with 2.133 112 111 Teddy Wanshi Lilick

[orchid owl]

I wantap all zones

except ice

ignition score on mixed zone btw
(it's bad)

[ripe stag]

Whale ignition

[orchid owl]

it's so bad I might be better off using DF

DF is simple at least

I just prefer the zaza team that is Dante Wata Vero

[final fog]

Whats your physical invest?

[orchid owl]

32.13 212 111

selena hanying vero

[final fog]

Is physical that bad?

[orchid owl]

it was a true 1 tap
can go much higher

[orchid owl]

nah it's me

[final fog]

I have 222 so its bad by default for me

[carmine roost]

Ice is boss with the best weather rn

[orchid owl]

but physical is bad

[carmine roost]

60% ice buff for 12s after swap
Drops to permanent 20% after 12s

[orchid owl]

whar

oh the weather

☁️

[radiant panther]

Fck fck fck I was so close to 6m why wanshi wh.y... why you staggger aaaahhhhhh

[carmine roost]

Welcome to ice mald bro

Glad to have you here

[radiant panther]

if not for the wanshi ender staggering after swap bro I was so close to greatness

I stuck me forever to 5.8m I could dish out 3 bullets I have 3 seconds left

[carmine roost]

So basically...

[orchid owl]

would Ayla still be "meta" for ice team if she is SSS but R0?

[radiant panther]

its suppose to be blue blue ping, blue dodge blue but the moment wanshi doing blue he got hit

[simple dew]

why would she be

[orchid owl]

higher amp effect with 6 class
faster QTE

nothing else

[crystal rune]

r0

[orchid owl]

if she has no sig it's obvious

[simple dew]

[crystal rune]

probably not tbh

[orchid owl]

so R0 is where we draw the line?

R1 would still cut it?

[crystal rune]

if teddy was r3 yea

[orchid owl]

not speaking about investing into an old unit

[crystal rune]

actually r2 teddy might be enough

[carmine roost]

If we're gonna compare SSS r0 ayla to something like ss r2 vera/Lilith, maybe Ayla isn't winning with 4% more amp buff compared to 18% atk amp reso buff

[crystal rune]

idk how much ml matters

[orchid owl]

I mean we were talking about her QTE speed

[carmine roost]

Vera Qte is VERY fast tho

Lilith not so fast

[orchid owl]

[carmine roost]

[orchid owl]

you're telling me that now

I asked who to put on meta ice team and noone said vera

[simple dew]

theres a difference between qte lengths?

[carmine roost]

I mean you only brought that rn

[crystal rune]

vera qte is slow as sht

[carmine roost]

Why?

My Vera keep instantly applying eins when I was using her in nana Luna vera team

I felt fast

[orchid owl]

[carmine roost]

Someone probably have to test that first

It might be me with dementia

[carmine roost]

Well Ayla was known to apply eins fast

[orchid owl]

and now vera came out of nowhere right? 🥹

[carmine roost]

Vera was out of conversation cuz no one really mentioned her

It's from my personal experience really

[orchid owl]

[carmine roost]

I could put both qte speed side on side if needed tho

[orchid owl]

vera has to be faster no shot she isn't

but I'm putting them side by side rn

[carmine roost]

Just be sure you have smooth recordings

Them difference is probably 0.3s at best

[analog coral]

wait what

qu got mgoged?

and ayla too?

[radiant panther]

@carmine roost This is the max now, 6m is impossible now

my hand so sore now

[carmine roost]

Lmao

Welcome to the carpal tunnel gang

I hope you enjoy your stays

[graceful summit]

[orchid owl]

vera is like 0.2s faster

I'll send it in here

[radiant panther]

nah its my forearm thats in pain not the wrist

[carmine roost]

Yeahhhhhhh

My memory didn't do me dirty this time

[radiant panther]

I overstretched it when I did move some heavy ass boxes

[carmine roost]

[fluid gulch]

No way I have to actually put some effort to promote

Oh wait

I can't

[crystal rune]

[hoary dagger]

[slender scarab]

I really don't wanna do slash...

[crystal rune]

thats not slash

[slender scarab]

oh wait

I read it wrong

[crystal rune]

you didnt

kuso just clanked up

[real jackal]

worth pulling a copy of teddy to sss her liike 2 months earlier?

got like 65k bc

or just wait it out

[fluid gulch]

yes

[real jackal]

how strong is teddy for neutral content?

like trailblazer

[tulip spade]

@buoyant hornet is your account back ?

[ashen parcel]

Does the class skill of attackers buff other characters or just the attacker themselves?

[mighty tusk]

just the attackers themselves

it's why attackers that are not main dps are often benched if the main dps are either tank or amp

[real jackal]

does sss teddy make ss0 raydiance bianca like, good?

or still worse than plasma?

[simple dew]

my bambinata has more bp than my teddy

[real jackal]

does teddy have a diff mem set between ss3/sss?

also, does teddy need dlt?

[orchid owl]

@carmine roost Vera VS. Ayla QTE speeds:

feel free to pause mid vid

[real jackal]

bruh

[simple dew]

my queen is better than this fat cow

[graceful summit]

Doesn't seem so, since her sss doesn't change much on ice beside more damage
And it's not like Liv's case anyway, since even on ss0 she still use ult reso
Also teddy doesn't need dlt

[orchid owl]

so apparently vera hits QTE in 0.2 seconds

Ayla hits in 1.2 seconds (rounded up from 1.17s)

[graceful summit]

Her 2 ult rot only need 9 orbs

[real jackal]

what even is her rot? hell, what's her build?

[simple dew]

ehat abiut lilith

[orchid owl]

let me test

[simple dew]

haf fun

[real jackal]

setsu doc is still considered good, right?

[graceful summit]

Rn 4 Joanna 4 Chen
Top atk bottom ult
As for her rot there's a lot of variation
But for standard just follow this
https://youtu.be/E31fqZTCU6M

[graceful summit]

Atleast until there's a better rot out there

[simple dew]

[orchid owl]

I think it's joever @simple dew

[real jackal]

ht orb color matter at all for teddy?

[orchid owl]

if I can believe this timer at all

[simple dew]

[orchid owl]

problem is it's a scripted timer
the only way to get real value would be for me to put on a timer before recording

[simple dew]

4s?

[orchid owl]

definitely not that long

[simple dew]

no

[orchid owl]

it's like 0. something

fk this

I'ma get a timer plugin for obs

[simple dew]

[orchid owl]

can't believe I'm downloading speedrunner timer for ts

[grand jay]

Wait for Raydiance does Teddy want 4 guin or 2 guin 2 eins

[radiant panther]

Support build, she only an enabler and a stacker similar to Lilith

[orchid owl]

@simple dew if we go by the previous times then Lilith is faster than Ayla

but not faster than Vera

[grand jay]

I mean ik that but does she use 4Guin everywhere or 2Guin and 2Eins

[simple dew]

can ishmael proc support mems if shes classless

[orchid owl]

not guin

guin requires healing

einsteina can be procced by anyone

[simple dew]

[round lake]

So based on test
Ayla is actually the slowest mf?

[orchid owl]

yeah
cow

[simple dew]

her boobs slow her down

[radiant panther]

on ice she uses 4joan 4Chen for the moment while Radiance is support build

[round lake]

Good, now I can slander her ass

[orchid owl]

here ref again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1453399465187872898/pgr_who_is_faster_ayla_vs_vera.mp4?ex=694d4f3b&is=694bfdbb&hm=d0bf19715b25823c191a34490593792c630b3140786a4022ac76cecff1fbc7df&

[round lake]

[orchid owl]

you can basically see

as soon as I activate vera's QTE

she already triggered Eins

while Ayla is flying like a dumbahh

[round lake]

We're about to slander Ayla with this one, and rightfully so

[orchid owl]

Vera is literally moving with lightspeed

Ayla is subsonic speed

[grand jay]

Ik she uses Joanna in Ice Im asking for Raydiance whether she wants 4pc guin or 2pc eins and 2pc guin

[simple dew]

[radiant panther]

She can heal dawg use 4guin

[grand jay]

Cool

[simple dew]

why are we building raydiance without content for it

[orchid owl]

any amp can heal
she takes 4 guin bc she can double tick with 1 qte

[grand jay]

WZ should be next week no?

[hazy sandal]

[orchid owl]

ice wz is rn

[radiant panther]

Have you heard preparation?

[grand jay]

Ik Ice is rn

[simple dew]

no

[orchid owl]

there's IB but yeah, better test some things now

[lucid pewter]

Teddy wep res priority?

[stray siren]

This is really good

[unborn hound]

https://tenor.com/view/ding-dong-gone-celebrate-leave-gif-16876214

[stray siren]

Also the QTE geometry of Vera looks good

[orchid owl]

[orchid owl]

basically looks like her hold BA

[stray siren]

Yeah, more area

[carmine reef]

simple geometry

[carmine roost]

[radiant panther]

Just DLT not needed

[quiet vale]

is my SS3 Qu not useful in any content since I have SSS teddy (I want to sacrifice her sig)

[lucid pewter]

👍

[radiant panther]

qu dead if not more than Teddy but since Ted is SSS, sacrifice her

[orchid owl]

will be posting this recording too in a sec
Lilith QTE time
not 4 seconds, it's 0.4 seconds with actual timer running
which is a close estimate, it should be 0.38 or so

[radiant panther]

unless you wanna do qte bot

[orchid owl]

might record in 120 FPS for this to get more accurate if you guys want that

[quiet vale]

Alya is the QTE bot alr

[carmine reef]

Ayla is rotting

[real jackal]

bruh how do i do the wanshi triple rot? not enough orbs without dlt.

[stray siren]

This what Setsu said, makes sense

[carmine reef]

you don't need dlt to do triple rot unless you're doing it every swap for the whole run

[radiant panther]

just do 2 ult run, the diff is negligible

[carmine reef]

generally best practice to alternate

[real jackal]

ty

[orchid owl]

ah so it's about her ability to apply eins to 2 waves rather than one?

[carmine reef]

i would not say it is negligible

[stray siren]

Yes

[orchid owl]

makes sense

[stray siren]

Although, well, I think it depends a lot on the investment, an SSS+ team is going to kill enemies very quickly, by making Ayla's QTE have this effect, an SSS0 team on Legend probably won't have this benefit

[radiant panther]

but its better to get him in dlt, you will have qol when using him

[orchid owl]

her actual QTE is like 2-3 seconds long
she has about a second delay between the 2 attacks

but that's some tight timing
kill the wave in 1 second and get the next to spawn

here's lilith since I already did it I might aswell post it

[real jackal]

but i need to do 3 ult on wanshi for the instant teddy ult though, right?

[orchid owl]

3 ult between any of the 2 characters that aren't teddy

[real jackal]

but taht means swapping to like lillith tho?

[orchid owl]

but it's been said that 3 ult wanshi is better than any field time for the QTE bot

you can't do 3 ult in 10s amp time with wanshi but it's better than using off ele/ayla

[real jackal]

i lit just dont have enough orbs to 3 ult with him

[orchid owl]

although I can see a niche use case for ayla being used for at least 1 ult

since she can get it fast

[orchid owl]

DLT

and use matrix ping for 1 orb

[orchid owl]

first ult is a 3-ping since he gets intro ping
second ult is matrix + 3-ping
third ult is just 3+3-ping

so that's.. 13 orbs

he gets some from red orb and/or hold BA iirc

but you definitely need DLT
that's 3 orbs every 45 seconds and 4 (2+2) every time you swap to him

[grand jay]

Raydiance is gonna be a fun WZ to tackle

[crystal rune]

doesnt need dlt to triple rot but its extra maldy

[grand jay]

Idk if its actually real atm

[crystal rune]

glow wz doesnt exist you just do it in ion zone

[grand jay]

Oh okay

Is Bianca > Lucia

[crystal rune]

who knows

[graceful summit]

Orb rng go brr

[crystal rune]

for s+ thats the case

[grand jay]

Ig we'll have to find out

[carmine reef]

i mean

if you don't use dlt for triple rot then you need to be doing parries including self parry which is timeloss

[crystal rune]

do you

[grand jay]

Glow in general feels much less maldier to begin with

I might just throw it at Ion atp

[orchid owl]

it is

[carmine reef]

you certainly cannot sustain triple rot every swap without doing one of dlt or parries

[steady otter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-box-boxing-angry-fast-cat-eating-a-box-gif-10756722895901289016

[grand jay]

I havent touched Ion in months

[hazy sandal]

Box

Must eat

[grand jay]

I think the last time I genuinely played it was well before DMC

[crystal rune]

[steady otter]

lemme eat you

[crystal rune]

[graceful summit]

ploom_wut

[hazy sandal]

[carmine reef]

[hazy sandal]

:Eatenselena:

[real jackal]

i'll just give up on teddy insta ults then

not resoing dlt onto him this late in the game

[grand jay]

Good thing I have Wanshi triple reso 😁

And S+

[hazy sandal]

Ngl that cat looks like a caterpillar eating leaves

[crystal rune]

[grand jay]

I wonder whats holding Kuro up with releasing Glow WZ anyways

[crystal rune]

glow is too strong

[carmine reef]

it is

they don't call it a CATerpillar for nothing

[grand jay]

Opposite effect of pre-Liv Umbra

[steady otter]

still CATerpillar

[hazy sandal]

[grand jay]

Bianca is just too strong

[carmine reef]

windbell just yoinked my joke

[wanton hatch]

[grand jay]

They might as well release it since we have Umbra and Burn that already inflate scores enough as is

Like idt anyone would bat an eye at 30m scores this late into the meta

[crystal rune]

some teams are crossing 27m while others are still stuck 18

[grand jay]

Alpha is about to rip WZ scores a new one

Ice is about to be the best team in the game again 🥹

It feels like theyll add a new affix for Alpha

Might just be me though

[wanton hatch]

make her slash so we have to make 2 different sets for her

[round lake]

2 modes, one Ice one Slash

Kill Virgin

[grand jay]

Its super likely that she'll be TS

[round lake]

[real jackal]

bruh tf am i doing wrong in phys

[round lake]

TS doesn't really work for non-Phys

[grand jay]

But I feel like thatd be too easy

[wanton hatch]

[grand jay]

Also yeah iirc TS doesnt mesh well with elements

[round lake]

But that's why having 2 modes can change shjts

[wanton hatch]

oh hey Nathan's there

[round lake]

Just literally shift to Phys TS

[grand jay]

Hmmmm

[tacit tiger]

Its Christmas now huh

[round lake]

Ofc just a theory

[grand jay]

How does Bianca's mode work anyways

[wanton hatch]

make her like bianca or something

[round lake]

But TS really does need someone that isn't fcking limited

or they can make Alpha Ignition and someone to kill Hanging

[slender scarab]

TS needs to get rid of Hanying first

[grand jay]

Does she solely do glow dmg

[round lake]

Ye

[grand jay]

Ic

[round lake]

Similar to Virgin/Donte weap switch

Just pure affix dmg

[grand jay]

Lets not kid ourselves Alpha's Phylotree

Shes semi limited ig compared to DMC

[round lake]

May be may be not

Making everything Phylotree would actually ruin their whole limited things

Kusogames said on stream that Rosetta and Kamui are deeply connected to the Tree

[grand jay]

So theyre Phylotree most likely

[round lake]

That's a lot of tree

[grand jay]

I feel like if they were going to make at least one person limited out of the dripped characters it would be Alpha

I hope Im wrong

[round lake]

They could invent another new shjts for Alpha

[grand jay]

True

[round lake]

Tree of Death, hows that sound

[grand jay]

You have one day to pull her

[round lake]

So edgy, so new

[wanton hatch]

[grand jay]

I think if they skimp out on TS as an affix theyll probably add a new Dark or Fire affix to match the oni flames

That would mean that affix is IB only lmao

[round lake]

Also, it's not 100% a joke
There's actually the Tree of Life (Etz Chaim) and the Tree of Death (Qliphoth)

[slender scarab]

if they keep tying TS to physical then we're stuck with Vergil all the way until Selena gets powercrept

[round lake]

They could totally make a new type of banner from this shjt

[simple dew]

discord

[round lake]

[simple dew]

[young badge]

so wut teddy mems

[distant wren]

4hanna 4einsteina

[wind hemlock]

How are Teddy's research developments?

[worldly valve]

Is she 6class for bot reso?

[distant wren]

jokes aside it's 4 joanne 4 chen jiyuan
bottom reso so far is ult

[crystal rune]

[worldly valve]

Oh yea ik it ain't 4 Hanna

[distant wren]

lmfao had to make sure someone didn't actually believe it

[forest wind]

Does Wanshi need to change to Einstenia? Since Teddy uses Chen now

[distant wren]

nah he still wants 4chen for damage

[crystal rune]

Rydle spending his last days in pgro

[forest wind]

Man, I shudder to think when a new ice attacker is on the team
If he/she gets Liv skillset(qte supernova, TLC on core), will Wanshi finally need to be a DV holder?

[muted zenith]

do we have a rotation for teddy?

@noble zinc

[short lynx]

Memory for Teddy?

[graceful summit]

#1447937004385075392 message
This memory for now

[young badge]

wbt for later

[warped axle]

build?

oh there's alr a link

I hope I don't end up wasting HT mats like Liv did

she pissed me off

[short lynx]

any chance on this build changing?

[warped axle]

dalaos pls confirm 🙏

what would be her possible set if a new Ice DPS debuts?

[distant wren]

Maybe? Low chance but it's week 1 still

[distant wren]

Welcome to end of sync where we no longer have foresights

[noble zinc]

What rank

[stray siren]

Change by rank?

[muted zenith]

Sss

[warped axle]

4 hypertunes on teddy, no sig, no CUB

[glacial plover]

wait i couldnt get lumpid weap why is she the only one like this (limited?) i save my bc thinking i could pull another time 🧱

[warped axle]

welcome to once per season "limited" chars

[glacial plover]

br they had the "limited" on her character banner but i didnt expect her weapon as well

[dawn cloak]

Limp wp and cub on shop btw

[chilly glade]

ah they finally putted in here, interesting

[dawn cloak]

Always been there since Liv debut day1

[noble zinc]

Seeing yes

Like for me what shameless is doing isn't good

[noble zinc]

Not fixed yet

[stray siren]

Following Ulti rot

My Teddy is SS0

[noble zinc]

Not golden brick

[glacial plover]

brother, i have 150 of that rn what should i do (11419bc + 5250 tix)

[noble zinc]

Idk SS0 stuff

[stray siren]

Well time to try orb combinations

[spiral merlin]

Why red and not smth faster

[stray siren]

[dawn cloak]

[visual topaz]

Leviathan I kneel

[glacial plover]

😭 im f2p dawg wth

[orchid owl]

you could scrap 2 weapons for her 6 star which is not recommended usually
weapons are better spent as reso fodders, but this might change with this phylotree meta

[noble zinc]

Pak whel

[glacial plover]

can i scrape the tedy weap from event currency...

nah this is cope

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[final fog]

You can get everything it just takes time

All shards + weapons and cub

[glacial plover]

yeah just scared she might be eos by that time...

[final fog]

[glacial plover]

😿

[visual topaz]

Cap

Only leviathan scrap weapons

[glacial plover]

😔 i got lucky br

its a spare alisa weap

[simple dew]

what do these times even mean

[dawn cloak]

For these stuff #📨・meta-help message

[eager oasis]

RELIABLE youtubers that have BIS builds?

[sturdy nimbus]

There might be a rerun sometime but that's a guess

[glacial plover]

spider2b

watch him all the time when a new unit is out

[dawn cloak]

No one
Everyone still cooking
Meta is everchanging, BiS now might not be BiS a month/two later

[dawn cloak]

No wonder you're bricked
He aims for casuals, spidre said it himself

[glacial plover]

well i am casual

[dawn cloak]

But this is meta channel

[glacial plover]

well

[dawn cloak]

Issokay to be casual, me casual too

[glacial plover]

yeah i just click buttons

i follow the bare minimum lol

[dawn cloak]

But dont gib casual/wrong advice in meta channel

[noble zinc]

@muted zenith can refer for now
https://youtu.be/1z83yLvhqVw

[eager oasis]

any reason why ice teams always puts the ice shred set on two units?

(why not like cottie on teddy or einsteinia/whatever on wanshi)

[dawn cloak]

That shred sets also give 10% damage bonus
And give nice ice dmg explosion every 6 second (if on same enemy)
Its not limited for shred only

Reason why even DMC bro use Patton/Shakes even tho they are attacker
The dmg buff is big

[eager oasis]

oh ok so its for that dmg proc too, aight

[dawn cloak]

Yea and warzone wants consistency across waves

So its normal to run double shred memo on warzone
Only ppc doesnt use it

[simple dew]

cause some charas have no energy issues

and shred sets generally give more than cottie

or some sig sets like veras or livs give barely anything

[eager oasis]

i do not have SSS ayla or her sig
Can i just use any SSS amp? (lilith)

since einsteinia is also omnishred now

[graceful summit]

Yeah, you can

[nova forum]

Is it even possible to get all the stuff from teddy shop without spending 25k tickets?

[eager oasis]

i think some missions are repeatable over the weeks

[nova forum]

The ppc one?

[carmine reef]

no, so

the only missions you see are the non-repeatable ones

there were supposed to be a bunch of repeatable ones, kuro fkd up and they're not there, which is why we got the 500 from mail

compensation for the error

hopefully that will be fixed at some point

[nova forum]

[simple dew]

you get 500 tokens weekly

this week kuso was too lazy to add them so we got them by mail

[carmine reef]

hi kuso i'm not getting my 500 bc weekly, pls fix

[muted zenith]

can you write out the rot? i m unable to tell which buttons are pressed

also why vera insteadof ayla?

[simple dew]

for support resos

[noble zinc]

See video description

He wrote them

[muted zenith]

ohhhh

thanks

[noble zinc]

[muted zenith]

can you paste it here? i m on my phone

copying is hard on youtube app

[visual topaz]

-240

[gilded flint]

Does DLT change SS, SS3, and SSS teddy rot at all?

[ripe stag]

No

[keen sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/214707246393851904/1316750466129854496/duckass.gif

[muted zenith]

i should be getting more than this with a full SSS ice team right?

[buoyant hornet]

Yepp

[buoyant hornet]

open mail bb

[carmine reef]

ew gets whooshed and you can't read

no wonder ur account got hacked

[buoyant hornet]

I will steal all your food and keep you starving

[carmine reef]

you'd get lost on the way to the fridge

[simple dew]

does nana have a field like wata

[buoyant hornet]

Zex I will harbor very evil thoughts towards you (covering your screen while you're malding)

[buoyant hornet]

Yes but in what regards

[simple dew]

the one his leap has

[buoyant hornet]

Her field is the blueprint yeah, and hers doesn't usually randomly whiff enemies the way wata's does lol

Also she procs field automatically when she swaps out, wata doesn't

[simple dew]

does ishmael copy that property or she a bum

[noble zinc]

[buoyant hornet]

bum

[buoyant hornet]

hi nukelao

[simple dew]

bum fr

[carmine reef]

Been there done that https://youtu.be/6XRzLND4PhU?si=r2k7GaxWt8UBheRC

[noble zinc]

Hi

[carmine reef]

Garnet erasure

Put some respect on vera's name, mutt

[buoyant hornet]

what the hell LMAO

[buoyant hornet]

calling me mutt but which one of us is called vera's dog in the bot

[carmine reef]

That's exactly why