📨・meta-help

[dawn cloak]

Beta tho, maybe changed. Lets see

[young badge]

ok lao

[dawn cloak]

[carmine roost]

Ok lao

Look at this dalao being humble

[radiant panther]

its no use

[plain oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1178550658568302684.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=HyperDalaoBow

[carmine roost]

[crystal rune]

[graceful summit]

UN_Dalao

[radiant panther]

Can someone bump me the Ish pings, im getting senile here

[chilly trail]

RoverNo

[versed glen]

Hello

[chilly trail]

Wtf have nitro again

[crystal rune]

for 3 days

[chilly trail]

PepeRunCryTrip

[crystal rune]

[dawn cloak]

Nuke still nitroless?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1447848199850168390.webp?size=128&quality=lossless&name=emoji_2

[radiant panther]

oh god pls, not keyboard number 1 broken

[radiant panther]

yessir 2.332 111 Nihil yeah baby (I hold wata's ult on the last lol)

[carmine roost]

Mobs zone that bad?

[dawn cloak]

Its nihil

Mobs is df

[carmine roost]

Oh ok

[vivid hollow]

i have SSS Wata
what's the optimal rotation for darkflow?
is it 2 ult Vera 1 full ult 1 fast ult Liv?

or do you only do 1 full ult?

[dawn cloak]

Liv does 2x full ult

[vivid hollow]

feel like that take a little too much time for the amp effect

[dawn cloak]

15 stacks Liv can do 2x full ult
Consumes 10 but after 1 full ult she refunds some stack to 11

[dawn cloak]

Darkflow dmg still heavily relies on Liv

[vivid hollow]

so do i do 1 Vera rot or 2?

[dawn cloak]

You can compare score. One with full 2x ult, one with 1x full + 1x fast ult

[dawn cloak]

Vera always 2x

Use the dodge cancel tech. 2x ult in 10 sec

Dodge cancel her hold BA, need cottie

[vivid hollow]

at what part do i dodge cancel
do i just constantly spam between hold BA and dodge
i havent seen that tech

[thorny bolt]

does anyone here know the rotation for darkflow? ss0 investment

[round lake]

whenever possible
except the final hold

[dawn cloak]

Welp, time to learn

[round lake]

Swap, DC, blue, DC, blue, Ult 1
Red, DC, Red, DC
Hold, DC, Hold, DC, Hold, Ult 2

[dawn cloak]

Liv 2x full ult, Vera 2x ult + Wata 1x
Or Vera 3x ult with 4Hervor
But dunno which scores better

[round lake]

god I hate Vera gameplay

so unhealthy on a shjtty phone

[round lake]

need SSS Vera otherwise 3 ult too slow I think

[thorny bolt]

soo starter gera?

[round lake]

Start Wata

[thorny bolt]

also is this still like. used

[thorny bolt]

okay thanks

so start wata then swap to gera?

[round lake]

Wata > Vera > Liv

[thorny bolt]

alright thankies

time to practice

[round lake]

I saw ppl using Wata ult at start as well but idk why

[thorny bolt]

wait what is DC?

[round lake]

dodge cancel

[thorny bolt]

oh alright

thankies

[crystal rune]

because you dont get df shred without doing his hold ult first

and if you hold ult and then exit while in ult form then next swap hes in fire mode

and also you wont have enough stacks with just vera

[dawn cloak]

Do you not uuuuhhh, play darkflow?

[dawn cloak]

No this is about SS0 flat team
Or non SSS wata

[crystal rune]

he has no wata

[dawn cloak]

Oh he wata hater? Just like Kj huh

[crystal rune]

he hates everybody

[dawn cloak]

Daren over wata smh

Oh what lol, even worse

So he solo Nanami all

[median spade]

notation? yes

[hybrid goblet]

yall i need you to answer me

[median spade]

you have to ask a question to be answered

[crystal rune]

no

[hybrid goblet]

oh

okay\

so

what is the liv's darkflow build

[median spade]

bathlon cottie

[hybrid goblet]

what about the new set in the shop?

[graceful summit]

Pointcare?

Not used

[median spade]

^

[graceful summit]

Bathlon cottie better on her

[median spade]

bathlon good

[crystal rune]

S+ uses poinc

idk about anyhting below that

[median spade]

wait really

[crystal rune]

yea

bath cottie poinc

[median spade]

i thought bath better at S+ too

oh

[hybrid goblet]

bathlong cottie point maybe?

[median spade]

2pc

[round lake]

I thought it's only after his 2nd ult

or when there's DF stack

[crystal rune]

nah

[graceful summit]

Well you see
As nergi said bathlon cottie point is for sss+

[crystal rune]

i said

idk below s+

[dawn cloak]

Thus far seems no
But dunno, we'll see. Only twice appear in warzone
Maybe someone cook something way way later

[crystal rune]

[graceful summit]

But I didn't said only

[round lake]

frankly, I didn't skip Wata because I hate him or anything, he was just unlucky enough to be made a Fire Tank

[dawn cloak]

Thats why play Wata first
So you can know
EN already doesnt read smh, and you doesnt even play

[round lake]

no new Fire tank shall ever enter my acc
only Nanami

[dawn cloak]

Nanami is EVERYWHERE

[round lake]

I do have alt with Wata but never tried DF there before

[median spade]

i like pink haired girl but that is fraudnami

[round lake]

spit fact brother

she's cute but that's just fake Nanami

[cobalt prawn]

DF mob😭😭😭

Noooo

[hybrid goblet]

okay thank yall

[young badge]

thats just nanami from one of her different simulations

[hybrid goblet]

and she doesnt look like nanami at all

[round lake]

Kusogame tried to recreate peak, they did not success

[cobalt prawn]

Anyone have wz vid for 3s nana , ss3 liv?

[median spade]

i mean there are some similarities but fraudnami

[round lake]

it's just the same as usual
only difference is Liv doing full > fast ult because below SSS

and since no SSS Liv, u don't really have time to squeeze one fast Ish rot

[cobalt prawn]

Oh Liv no more dlt 3 ult

Okie thx

[round lake]

need SSS Liv otherwise no timestop

too slow

[thorny bolt]

oh thank god, i nearly went insane because of that thing

[median spade]

if you can understand the game surely you can understand notation

[crystal rune]

I understand you

[median spade]

i wanna understand you nerg

[crystal rune]

What is so complex about me

[median spade]

laoness too hard for my brain to understand

[crystal rune]

Give up on your dreams and passion

And Ônly play pgr

[round lake]

ưho ônly play PGR, ew

[crystal rune]

Me

Or used to

[golden nacelle]

the viet

[median spade]

can you call my boss and quit for me

[thorny bolt]

perhaps

[golden nacelle]

[crystal rune]

Can I take your job

I need money

[median spade]

naur

i would not wish it upon anyone

[crystal rune]

Uh oh

[thorny bolt]

notations is kinda hell

[hollow crown]

yo can someone send me the meta memory for all elements? i feel like im doing less damage than i should be even with SS or sSs 😭

[median spade]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sp9nXp7kbVppE2N_vl5x5A65yRwp7193CHS61SWbSe8/edit?gid=0#gid=0 read

[carmine roost]

Damn

I'm bricked by shield

[dawn cloak]

Amazing

Same exact score

Only possible in nihil

[carmine roost]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-anime-trash-garbage-gif-27228635

Me tired

Sayorana

[normal sierra]

@young badge you did 19s hell digimon with glacio, right?
do you have a vid for it, or when you used your qtes?

I malded this carp yesterday, but only managed to kill 1x after ... a billion tries with 2.333 122 team and was late for 19s by a few frames

[young badge]

i dont have vid but my invest is 2.333 211

i could try again if u want

[normal sierra]

yea, found your invest in chat history stalking

[crystal rune]

wtf

[young badge]

[normal sierra]

would appreciate it

you did cottie wanshi ult strat, right?

[peak halo]

Hero🥀

[crystal rune]

that strat doesnt work anymore

they patched cottie wanshi for glac it seems

[dawn cloak]

Wanshi leap trust

[normal sierra]

it still seemed a litte faster with cottie than without

[dawn cloak]

[fair stratus]

i just wanted to ask if this is good for ss3 luna? (note ss3 ishma r3, ss3 watanabe r1 and ss3 luna r2)

[dawn cloak]

Wave 55
Do the 1HP repairer also have shield?

[normal sierra]

or maybe I just happen to be slow on all my non-cottie runs
although I did a tons of runs with both

[crystal rune]

its slightly faster but you cant 7s ult like before i think?

[peak halo]

No
Its just i killed closly the wave but not

[normal sierra]

never managed to ult2 at 17s on midlena without cottie

[peak halo]

And its start w56 the infinite wave

[normal sierra]

ye, it ticks to 8s, can't 7s anymore

[crystal rune]

oh wait

[young badge]

i did wanshi ult 7s

[crystal rune]

nvm

[crystal rune]

watapak

hax

[normal sierra]

how?

[young badge]

u need timing

dont release too fast

dont release too late

[median spade]

be better in other words

[dawn cloak]

Haaxxxx

~~ now show vidya run ~~

[normal sierra]

well, that's not the part that bricc my run anyway, can do 17s ult2 even if it ticks to 8s
but my dmg is floating between nil and almost killing bruh

[young badge]

oh yea that part i also get

[normal sierra]

do you have ss cub or just s like me?

[young badge]

have ss

[crystal rune]

whel

[young badge]

nuh

[normal sierra]

ohh pak dat, prolly das why it's giga tight dmg for me

[dawn cloak]

Share run. Or your yt channel

So dalao. So haxx

[young badge]

its no hax

[median spade]

share hax instead

[normal sierra]

btw, did you guys know that digimon is not the only enemy there?

[young badge]

if i reset will i go to 62?

[normal sierra]

if you kill with alisa jump attack, the hp bar will switch to a flying enemy above lul

[dawn cloak]

What digimon? We have a collab?

[normal sierra]

n-no

[dawn cloak]

Wait how? Share pls
I wanna see

[dawn cloak]

No
Just use Vergil so you go to top 10 instead

[normal sierra]

forgot to save the recording, but will mald some today too, so gonna try to record it

[dawn cloak]

So you mean theres other enemies placed high above?
Like at 255 y coordinates?

[normal sierra]

seems like it, cuz it only targets them when alisa is in the air at the kill time

[dawn cloak]

LOL

Why they need a 2nd enemy anyway
Horror backstage design

[young badge]

oh lol i managed to 19s with 8s wanshi

[orchid owl]

Can any lao explain df? My liv's first rotation seems to do df damage but not the consequent ones

I hold ult and it's lightning damage

[normal sierra]

ye, can do that part
now show where me dmg is lost

[orchid owl]

I have 5 DF stacks

Wata and vera both do DF but not liv

[normal sierra]

prolly low df stack
I had this issue when I frist tried df liv too

[orchid owl]

How do you stack more?

[young badge]

this one 7s wanshi but failed cuz slow on selena

[orchid owl]

I do 6 stack wata ult at start which like I said works

But after that nothing

[crystal rune]

[normal sierra]

I had issue when I skipped wata rotas, but when I rot him, I had enuff stacks

[orchid owl]

I rot him every time

6 stack ult

[young badge]

this one 8s wanshi 19s clear

[orchid owl]

And isn't there supposed to be 10 stacks?

For df

[median spade]

15 is max

[orchid owl]

So wtf

I get 5 only

[median spade]

1.5x vera?

[orchid owl]

I do double vera rot at start then triple on 2nd

333 113 111

Liv wata vera

[crystal rune]

1.5 vera on first rot

[orchid owl]

Why

[crystal rune]

because

you dont need 2

[orchid owl]

Does it have anything to do with df stacking?

[median spade]

you're probably using df stacks with the 2nd full rot

[orchid owl]

Ah

[median spade]

i do this

[orchid owl]

And what about later rotations

3 liv, 1.5 vera, 1 wata?

[crystal rune]

2 liv 3vera 1 wata

you cant 3 liv

[orchid owl]

I can with 1 long ult

Unless it has to do with stacking

I don't know anything about df

[crystal rune]

you can only do a maxiumum of 2 rots on liv

[normal sierra]

ye, this is exactly what I do, but my dmg is lower at the 2nd hold dodge part
but wait, you hab r1 wanshi, so you use shred reso only, right? maybe I can use matrix on him then for that tiny extra dmg I miss

[orchid owl]

So how come vera does 3

[young badge]

ye r1 wamshi r1 alisa

[orchid owl]

Like can you explain a bit

[crystal rune]

liv needs 10df stacks to enter df mode

[orchid owl]

Nah bro watapak

[crystal rune]

and when you do a long rot with 15 stacks you get 6 back

so

15 > 5 > 11 > 1 then you cant rotate anymore

[young badge]

u could get clean 19s with 7s wanshi ult

[crystal rune]

vera needs to 3 rot to fill downtime

[orchid owl]

Does vera do df while that happens?

[crystal rune]

always

[median spade]

gonna retry my df with point

[orchid owl]

Is she stacking?

[crystal rune]

as long as vera hold ult1 she does df

[orchid owl]

What does she do exactly

[crystal rune]

yes

[median spade]

vera builds stacks

[crystal rune]

shes enabler and sub dps

[orchid owl]

So vera and wata both

I see

[orchid owl]

And then based on this
1 short liv 1 long? Or other way

1 long first so I get refund

[median spade]

isn't liv in df supposed to be 2 full ult

[orchid owl]

Idk

Feel free to correct me, I'm just throwing weights around

[tacit tiger]

She can

[median spade]

i do 2 full and prep ult for intro

then vera back up

[normal sierra]

that part I'm not worried about, managed to 17s ult2 midlena a good few times even when I did 8s wanshi ult
just hope the tiny extra dmg from wanshi matrix (or incan, dunno which is better) will make it easier to actually kill

thanks for the vids btw

[orchid owl]

Well I guess I'll try long ults only

[young badge]

[orchid owl]

Thanks for the explanation @crystal rune lao

[young badge]

62

[tacit tiger]

I will track down people who uses lilith in godfall revelation for taking down my resources and sanity

[young badge]

also 1 thing i noticed is that i need last hold ba of selena during her white orbs ping if i animation cancel it straight into hold dodge i cant kill

[orchid owl]

Alriiiight 9.8 mil

Lower than my lightning

There is definitely room for improvement

[peak halo]

Lot

[orchid owl]

I think you can short ult second rot

Tho I don't know how much vera stacks

[peak halo]

Atleast df good the onlything i can 1taps nowaday

Cuz donno trully which i mistake

[orchid owl]

Explain native in DMs because I couldn't comprehend what you just said

[simple crow]

which are the best schools for solo enhancement for guild pgr?

[orchid owl]

You mean best enhancements for solo school

Lemme grab my video

[median spade]

bro added pgr as if he isn't in pgr help channel

[orchid owl]

@simple crow https://youtu.be/H8kZ4Q6qbnM?si=WxEr9KopOK9tZa4A

Check at 15 seconds

[simple crow]

thx

[orchid owl]

[crystal rune]

[sonic tide]

Amazing motivated me to 🥝

[carmine roost]

Let's goooo

I break the shield

Also who the hell said luna uses core reso now

Is that SSS only or sum

Cuz my SS0 did better with ult still

[crystal rune]

shouldve seen the other clip

[carmine roost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1447168543555846194/1420032024411902074-1.webp?ex=6936a43b&is=693552bb&hm=21357e30152caa6c52c1bd7e1d2d05d3f7b76a53ac883ec001f330cfefbf38a4&

[sonic tide]

🥝 🥝

The hell is tht

[sonic tide]

That's sss luna but for IB i still use ult

For wz

[carmine roost]

Fck whel behavior

Ss loona can't relate

[crystal rune]

showing his massive cok

[sonic tide]

Cogs

[sonic tide]

But me get sss from voucher

[median spade]

fk whel

[ripe stag]

People still using CW on lightning?

[sonic tide]

[ripe stag]

Saw a video

[orchid owl]

Tsubricki

[ripe stag]

Dude played good

Dude got 2.6m

[orchid owl]

[ripe stag]

I don't understand

[orchid owl]

Me with my equal invest liv at 11 mil

[ripe stag]

And these people then complain about scores

[verbal forge]

What the deck is that

[sonic tide]

Whel

[orchid owl]

Actually worse invest bc R1

She still does better

[sonic tide]

Even ss0 liv better at this point

[orchid owl]

And doesn't need DLT

[crystal rune]

im tryna figure that out

[verbal forge]

Bro wants to flash you :phebeblush:

[ripe stag]

He has SS3 R1 cub CW
Wait that's actually too low score

OH

HE DOESN'T HAVE LEAP

[orchid owl]

[ripe stag]

[orchid owl]

Bro is not homeless

He is boneless

[ripe stag]

HELP

HIS NANAKNIGHT IS 2 0 0

[orchid owl]

Better than 2 5

[ripe stag]

Dude

HE HAS NO HARMONY

[orchid owl]

Ik

[ripe stag]

On anyone

[orchid owl]

Still

[ripe stag]

Except CW

[orchid owl]

Tell me it's solo cw

[ripe stag]

No

Swap

Bros swapping no harmo Nanaknight

[orchid owl]

I was thinking about moving into my childhood name

It is a goated name but I feel I've been using my current name for too long for that

[orchid owl]

My old nickname

[summer topaz]

don’t tell he is stubborn and insist on using cw but complains about scores

[median spade]

what was it

ill say the first one i went by that wasn't even my choice

[crystal rune]

whyd you choose the name natlan

[orchid owl]

The first iteration which died quickly due to "name taken" reasons was golden

[round lake]

My goat Nathan is actually Natlan? No way

[orchid owl]

From golden was born SyGolden

[crystal rune]

[ripe stag]

I don't think so
But
I know a dude who does that

[round lake]

Isn't that all CW fans in general

[cobalt prawn]

[round lake]

I pulled Tsubricki and has no Nanami why is this boss so tanky game trash pay to win

[orchid owl]

I beg your pardon
I am a CW fan but I don't do that
I don't even play cw

[round lake]

Clearly not CW fan enough

[orchid owl]

Owner of all CW coatings except dragon

[round lake]

True CW fan must skip Nanami & Liv
Only solo CW

[median spade]

my first was PyroPanda because i bought a friends minecraft account

[orchid owl]

That looks sht

[median spade]

then i went by pyro

then fpspack and after so long i got bored of it and people just called me my name anyways

so now i go by that

[crystal rune]

I can’t even remember my first username

It’s wiped from my memory

[orchid owl]

Golden went on for like 3 more iterations

Due to typo

Of others

People couldn't make sense of SyGolden

It was either SkyGolem or SkyGolden

[round lake]

S+ CW score

[crystal rune]

So op

[orchid owl]

Not that awful surprisingly

[simple dew]

meta trust

what rank nana

[round lake]

I thought she couldn't even 580

[verbal forge]

S+

[simple dew]

[round lake]

422

[simple dew]

[round lake]

I got my hand on a CW fan acc

[verbal forge]

Ahh makes sense

[simple dew]

crimson washed

[round lake]

Ofc I would never S+ CW

[young badge]

not bad score tbh my solo 3s nana is like 613k

[verbal forge]

-# Im close to it

[crystal rune]

[simple dew]

solo 4s feral what score

[round lake]

[young badge]

632k iirc

[crystal rune]

634

[wise axle]

how to hax dmg in wz

[crystal rune]

7/7/7

[young badge]

[round lake]

5/5/5

[simple dew]

change to cn voice

[crystal rune]

[median spade]

dude keep that a secret

cn voices are +10% dmg

[crystal rune]

Cn voice for dmg hax and en voice for speed hax

[young badge]

how both

[wise axle]

[median spade]

jp for fastest textboxes

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204144731135938592/1447976766659498157/GIF-251209_094158.gif

Sick

[wise axle]

[young badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388810141503197296/1445771450588856433/Omg.gif

[wise axle]

my vera got knocked by idk what too when i was -7 secs

[round lake]

Ah, the classic oldschool speedrun

[median spade]

thank god somebody else is old and knew

[crystal rune]

When you go too fast envoy decides to fck you

[round lake]

Play JP ver for fastest textbox

👴

[wise axle]

i'll save my sanity by not malding the mob zone anymore

[carmine roost]

I fcked up last part

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1447168543555846194/1420032024411902074-1.webp?ex=6936a43b&is=693552bb&hm=21357e30152caa6c52c1bd7e1d2d05d3f7b76a53ac883ec001f330cfefbf38a4&

[wise axle]

challenge yourself again 🔥

[young badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388810141503197296/1445771450588856433/Omg.gif

[sour silo]

Where cantonese dubbing in globlul

[carmine roost]

When's teddy debut in CN again?

Is it the same exact time as global now?

[median spade]

yes, 23rd

[carmine roost]

Sht...

[median spade]

2 weeks left with liv

[carmine roost]

Surely teddy isn't time gated

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1447168543555846194/1420032024411902074-1.webp?ex=6936a43b&is=693552bb&hm=21357e30152caa6c52c1bd7e1d2d05d3f7b76a53ac883ec001f330cfefbf38a4&

[median spade]

she's free and perm event

[crystal rune]

I only need one night

[median spade]

only one night would leave you yearning for more

[crystal rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1441653367725228138.gif?size=160

[median spade]

me fr

[crystal rune]

Us.

[median spade]

🤝

[graceful summit]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

[true pivot]

where my dmg hax

[spiral merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204144731135938592/1447976766659498157/GIF-251209_094158.gif

ty for free gif

unc aura

[dawn cloak]

I got this too randomly
Did they add secret update or something wtf

Messing up warzone with the 800mb update

[young badge]

mouse aboose

[dawn cloak]

I got that when on phone btw

Introducing new bug with update smh

[peak halo]

Get mouse for ur phone

[keen sable]

whats the ppc build for ss0 liv and nana

https://tenor.com/view/dead-group-chat-waiting-cereal-eating-cereal-dead-gif-25969021

[peak halo]

[peak halo]

But u are a lao
U will ezly figure it out if i say no need swap to nanami

[keen sable]

i dont have dlt

and im not giving her dlt

[peak halo]

[keen sable]

trash unit

[ripe stag]

Just check Windbell's video

[wheat plaza]

guys how can i use ishmeal instead of 21

[peak halo]

I think 2 short ult no need dlt

But im sss so donno lower

[ripe stag]

Offelement' amp

[wheat plaza]

hun ?

[ripe stag]

4 Da Vinci 2 Guin (Guin/Eins Harmo)

[carmine reef]

Fast ult is more orb hungry than long ult

[ripe stag]

Runs better than feral as lightning amp if same invest

[wheat plaza]

ok thanks

[carmine reef]

Non dlt can sustain 2 long rot as well as 1 long 1 fast, but sp delaying is also more orb hungry

Dont think non dlt can sustain 1 long 1 fast if sp delaying, and i dont think it can sustain 2 fast either (but 2 fast would be a silly rotation to do)

[keen sable]

how to do fast ult on liv

[peak halo]

I know but i not sp delay cuz skill issue

Hd

[carmine reef]

Hold dodge in ult form

[keen sable]

oh

ye its watever i dont like liv

[peak halo]

[keen sable]

rather put veritas back into lightning

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-toilet-restroom-gif-14343205956687655242

[peak halo]

Then just 1tap

No ask

[keen sable]

yep

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-zzz-doro-pink-hair-nikke-goddess-of-victory-gif-1350981982149880909

[peak halo]

Even surly 1.8m this week anyway
But u even dont care ib tho

[keen sable]

nah i wont reach

no vergil no sig for selena

[peak halo]

Fire it

Sss0 vera haver

[keen sable]

idont

i have only sss ishmael and bianca

[peak halo]

Maybie wrong memory

[weary hedge]

Is feral worth building as a lightning amp? Was told she's a pretty old character

[peak halo]

Only as qte bot

[fading kestrel]

sigless feral is worse than ishmael with sig
even as qte bot

[peak halo]

Forgor not sig

[weary hedge]

I could just get her but idk if I should save it for a future character

[fading kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/ishmael-pgr-gif-3214888763027842680

[weary hedge]

All agendas aside should I get her or save the selector

[deft apex]

Marry selena on my agenda

[peak halo]

[steady otter]

https://youtu.be/vcqmq9kD8PU?si=wvonkebIAe329kTw

[simple dew]

[dawn cloak]

So finally already works on 4fred?
I rember u said 4sam still better than 4 fred

[ripe stag]

Wait
Fred?

[dawn cloak]

Brother, what u need is just Nanami
580k gotten here proof: #📨・meta-help message

For Liv Nana swap, browse Windbell pgr YT
Sample here #📨・meta-help message

[sly geyser]

fk whel

[dawn cloak]

Vergil revives 4fred usage
Now it has been cooked more in the lab
Thus the results

[peak halo]

[ripe stag]

Wait

We got the fred rework?

HOLY COW

[dawn cloak]

From long time ago
But ppl sleeps on it

[ripe stag]

[ripe stag]

So

[dawn cloak]

Until Vergil

[ripe stag]

Vergil in powered will use 4 fred 4 pat ?

[dawn cloak]

Or maybe it got reworked, before dmc patch arrives. Dunno the details

[dawn cloak]

Vergil SSS+ top leaderboard uses 4fred

[ripe stag]

Meh
Not SS0

I'll get my Ishmael on fred

[dawn cloak]

Have fun seeing you scores lower
Until you learn the correct timing
It can be finnicky

[steady otter]

ya, i still have vid hell 4 samantha

still better a bit

but the rng with small circle samantha punch me on the face

[ripe stag]

Just before the lightning strike hits and before ult 2

If I'm not wrong

[steady otter]

https://tenor.com/view/phrolova-gif-1119392749854539790

[ripe stag]

[dawn cloak]

But thats only copying

Learn when actually the matrix proc

[hazy sandal]

[dawn cloak]

Is this something that 444 invest benefit more but SS0 doesnt?

[peak halo]

[ripe stag]

The Matrix trigger is on lightning hit right?

[hazy sandal]

SS20

[dawn cloak]

So does 4sam better or 4fred better?
Windbell seems to find 4sam still better abit
Dunno

[steady otter]

blud, you need to read first sec on my vid

[hazy sandal]

Depends

[peak halo]

SS10?

[dawn cloak]

~~ I havent watch ~~
Will do later lol

[hazy sandal]

What you gonna do when it is 2any% 2cot 4any%

Mods does not know the meta smh

Oh sh!t my ppc

[ripe stag]

HOLY COW 19S HELL

💀

SS3 Liv

[peak halo]

[ripe stag]

I think I can 18s

Lemma try

[peak halo]

Surly can less
Or im overestimate ss3

[ripe stag]

I can't go around 19s somehow

Let me see some videos

[daring abyss]

https://huaxu.app/ap/players/27868458/characters
Considering ishmael/selena/nanaknight ss3, was wondering which would actually be best

[fading kestrel]

nana

nana > selna > ish ( =Limpidity? )

[daring abyss]

hmm ok makes sense

[ripe stag]

18

[peak halo]

Nice

Also full invest is?

[ripe stag]

2.12.12 122 111

[peak halo]

Huh 2s amp
I no wonder

[ripe stag]

Ofcourse

I'm F2P

10/14/18

[peak halo]

I have 2s feral too

Now i just want know what sss+cw score

[young badge]

pak whel

[drifting cipher]

I feel like I’m going insane?? How did my score drop that much?? I ran it twice and kept getting the lower score

[fading kestrel]

when in doubt, blame mobs

[simple dew]

blame you

[fading kestrel]

true

[drifting cipher]

I swear I’m doing the saw DF rotation too. Went in thinking “let me try and optimize it a bit” ended scoring 2.5m less😭

[wanton hatch]

[dawn cloak]

Forgor to hold ult on wata?

And with Vera too. It happens sometimes

[gilded flint]

Do you know about sp delay?

[gilded flint]

When that happens instant reset

[drifting cipher]

Noo I’m pretty sure I’ve been holding because I see the DF symbol. Something’s going on that I’m messing up lol

[dawn cloak]

The score difference is just too big for small messing up lol

Feels like have no shred, or you done Liv short ult first so Liv turns to lightning dmg

On 2nd ult

[normal sierra]

ye, I need that too
but if I stick very close to digimon, I can cancel it with hold dodge almost instantly and still get the damage from it
the other hold basic right before ult1 is what I also need to hit, but if I'm too quick to ult there then no dmg and bricc run, this the real annoying part for me cuz I always wanna ult as fast as possible

[drifting cipher]

OHHHHH. THATS IT

I didn’t know that happened if I used short ult first lol

So should I not do short ult in DF?

[dawn cloak]

2x long

1x long then 1x short possible
But 2x long seems better scoring

1x long on df refunds the stack

[carmine reef]

the df symbol showing up is decided by what you have selected in team setup, just the symbol being there does not guarantee you're doing the affix correctly

[dawn cloak]

Whelp, EN doesnt read I guess
As always

[barren plank]

Trash wz clear, idk if I wanna mald anymore tho so ig Ill leave it as is for now unless I get kicked out of first

I feel like lightning can have a big improvement but idk ab the other two

[carmine reef]

p sure nihil should be significantly higher

[barren plank]

I had a feeling

[carmine reef]

this week is my highest scoring nihil ever i think

i only did a single lazy 1tap run and it's in 9m already

[barren plank]

Tf

[carmine reef]

ss3 ish/luna

[barren plank]

Well that means I have some work to do

Oh

I think that SS3 Ish makes quite the difference but at the same time my Ish rot was kinda botched so idk

[carmine reef]

i mean

[barren plank]

I think I should probably be able to break 8M

[carmine reef]

if my score can cap at probably high 9m

then ss0 should be able to get high 8m

[barren plank]

I had a feeling that I could do better butI just wasnt sure

This is the first time I've played void in a long while actually

[final fog]

What nihil invest is that?

[barren plank]

All the way back since Ish patch actually lmao

2.132 123

Luna Wata Ish

I feel like my lightning is def lacking though

I feel like all zones can be improved ngl

[carmine reef]

you have higher resos than me too so

you might maybe even crack 9m theoretically

[final fog]

Is there a replacement for wata?
I cant even get 5mil

[carmine reef]

best third member for nihil is like

[barren plank]

Super case dependent

[carmine reef]

sss vera > sss wata > sss lilith

[final fog]

I have lilith 3s r3 and nanamin3s r1

[dawn cloak]

Nana SSS wait, not good cuz ish copying Feral
Use SS3/SSS amp like Lilith then

[final fog]

Yea i figured

[barren plank]

What rank is ur Ish

[carmine reef]

if you have ss3 or higher isht hen lilith is also problematic

[barren plank]

SS0?

[final fog]

But 5mil to 9 mil is

[barren plank]

Yes

[weak moat]

Why are my rewards points so low? I've seen less waves having higher points total

[final fog]

2sr1

[barren plank]

Cause Ish doesn't gain dark shred or 3S CD

SSS Ish just does not use Lilith at all

[carmine reef]

hero mob zone 🧱

[dawn cloak]

Server fluc difference
Hero legend difference

[barren plank]

I just did fire I couldn't be bothered to mald DF

[final fog]

Still
Ss0r1 should get 8mil right?

[dawn cloak]

Yea then 3S Lili fine. Unless got 3S Vera

[carmine reef]

r1 probably not

[barren plank]

I feel like Nana would be better no?
Even if Ish is copying feral weaker passive that 20% shred + 3s CD is big

[carmine reef]

well maybe 8m capped

[weak moat]

EU hero fluc is 323.2, is that low?

[final fog]

How

[carmine reef]

fluc isn't the biggest factor here for why df scoring like that rn

it's the combination of hero and mob zone

[weak moat]

Oh so mob type/zone also has impact on score

[carmine reef]

ofc fluc is a factor but the mob zone is the biggest issue because you're getting way less score from hp cleared

[weak moat]

should I try fire instead?

[carmine reef]

which is the majority of your score in wz

[dawn cloak]

Ofc. Cuz enemy HP

[carmine reef]

well fire and df are both in entropic zone so

both will be mob zone

i haven't tried fire so idk how it will be for the avg person but

[barren plank]

My fire onetap was like 800K better than my DF one but I think that's down to me never playing DF before

[weak moat]

I didn't know enemy hp influences score, thought it was just waves

[carmine reef]

probably around the same for most ppl

[carmine reef]

wave is just 50k flat score gain per wave you clear

you can see it in your score screen

[dawn cloak]

You see theres 3 score on leftside?
The top one is enemy HP and/or dmg done

[weak moat]

thanks for the help, learned something new

[carmine reef]

most of the score is the actual damage you deal

interestingly enough that is why in some oddball scenarios you can have a higher score than someone who cleared more waves than you

because there are some mobs that heal themselves

so you can technically deal more damage to them

[weak moat]

interesting

[carmine reef]

also

shield doesn't count as hp

which is why nihil gets artificially lower scores in wz relative to the dmg the team actually deals

cause all that damage you deal to void shields counts as 0 score

[barren plank]

And void shield still has float mald

[carmine reef]

what

[barren plank]

Void shields have float

[final fog]

[carmine reef]

why would they have float

[barren plank]

Kuso logic

[carmine reef]

float is a mechanic based on the damage dealer

which is only for phys dmg

where did you hear that void shields have float

[barren plank]

From like everyone

I have kinda seen it myself

But idk how to put it into words

[carmine reef]

float is what happens when you crit

i've never heard of anything like this in my life, nor would it make sense to happen

[barren plank]

Im pretty sure it's a bug actually

[dawn cloak]

@final fog interesting to try this since you have SSS Nana already
Just test both with 3S Lilith and Nana

[final fog]

Okey

Is it same rot or different?

[barren plank]

But the damage you deal to the shield will vary from time to time

[carmine reef]

different rot

[barren plank]

Someone recorded it

In Celica

I forgot who

But I will go back and look

[dawn cloak]

Nana is using the SSS wata rot, cuz 12 sec cooldown
With Lilith u have 15 sec cooldown

[final fog]

Ok i'll give it a shot

[carmine reef]

it will still be slightly different than the rot with sss wata too

because with sss wata you do 2 rot luna and then fast wata rot

nana can't do fast rot as fast as wata can

so you have to do something else

[final fog]

Enlighten me

[dawn cloak]

Nana 4sec minimum yeah, the igni rot

[carmine reef]

either 3 rot luna or just give up on full rot on nana

[dawn cloak]

Wata SSS faster, can be 2-3 sec

[final fog]

I just 2x3 ping hold yellow and ult

[carmine reef]

yeah that is still going to take too long

[dawn cloak]

Oh, thats 3 sec hmmm

[carmine reef]

you will time leak

[dawn cloak]

Lesser time at least

[final fog]

What if tap yellow and hold basic then ult

Lightning rot

[carmine reef]

still too long

even longer actually

[dawn cloak]

Even longer. And didnt get nihil dmg buffed

[final fog]

Whats the fastest rot?

[carmine reef]

nana just doesn't have one as fast as wata

[drifting cipher]

Lmao I usually go watch Spider2B before using a character. Thats how I learn them so not wrong

[final fog]

Close to it?

[carmine reef]

nana is slow

nothing you do on nana will be close to fast

and also the ignition rot requires cottie to be faster

which would mean no dv

[dawn cloak]

Also 2x3ping hold yellow briefly need cottie iirc for 2.5-3 sec
1x3 ping, hold yellow, ult is 4sec

[carmine reef]

if you ask me, i believe your best bet is just doing 3 rot luna

[final fog]

Whats the rot?

[chilly trail]

Fund me sss loona pls

[dawn cloak]

Well, its spider2B lol
For casual it works
For actual meta often doesnt work

[carmine reef]

Well 3 main sequence rots is faster

But probably requires dlt still, not sure

[chilly trail]

@keen meteor can 10

[carmine reef]

If you did two main seq one finality it probably takes a little too long

and leave nana on the bench

oh hey my internet came back

[dawn cloak]

Need 1x hold ult + tap ult
To activate off field atk

[final fog]

3 main sequence as in hold dodge then ult?

[dawn cloak]

Someone tested it today

[dawn cloak]

Pre leap, but that means no off field atk, lost 4x 2000% dmg

[carmine reef]

? no you don't

finality off field atk is a separate thing from base kit which is one hit

leap off field atk which is the standard with other attackers is triggered from either

[dawn cloak]

So just one? Bcs the wording seems to imply that

[carmine reef]

no it doesn't?

[dawn cloak]

Guess I'll test again

[compact fern]

ss3 team score on overseer 10/14/19 it seems

[chilly trail]

Need 2 rot for offieldd atck

[carmine reef]

anyway idk if you ever did 3 rot luna pre leap but

you have to manage the gauge for energy instead of for stacks

[barren plank]

I used to do that but tbh Im not sure if it was optimal for the whole of wz runs

I would start with 2rot luna first swaping and then 3rot from thereon out

[carmine reef]

not talking to you

[barren plank]

Im just syaing it's a thing

Tho idk how that would look like w leap now

[final fog]

Is it that 3 ult in amp buff rot?

[young badge]

no

[carmine reef]

i don't think it fits in amp buff

[barren plank]

The old one was not but idk ab leap

[compact fern]

pretty sure 3 rot luna used to be a thing if lilith ish team

[carmine reef]

it's to cover your 12s downtime since i am suggesting you just shouldn't swap to nana

[barren plank]

I dont think it would fit eitehr tbh

[compact fern]

pre leap luna

[barren plank]

Yea Nana is kinda slow compared to wata

[carmine reef]

pre leap luna 3 rot was ~14s
post leap can do 3 rot in 12s

[normal sierra]

depends on what kind of ss3 team
if fel/espada invest then it's 10/12/15

[compact fern]

@normal sierra since u here did u do overseer?

[compact fern]

nah lol pleb 2.322 team

[normal sierra]

not yet, but me going for 10/12/15

[compact fern]

can 10/14/19

[final fog]

Whats the post leap input for 3 rot?

[compact fern]

i meant ss3 liv only kekw

[normal sierra]

ohh ye, that will be slower for sure

[compact fern]

u have 3s nana right?

[normal sierra]

ye

[compact fern]

why 15?
its 14 no?
double liv fast

[carmine reef]

like before but whenever you would do base form hold ba just do hold dodge instead

[normal sierra]

but only r1 liv, dunno if das enuff for chaos/hell

[compact fern]

what even is 15 rot kekw

[carmine reef]

i will test within the next hour to see if it can be optimized furhter

[normal sierra]

2x fast ult doesn't kill even with 3s nana+3s wulf

[young badge]

fuhrer

[compact fern]

no i mean wot is 15 rot

oh bruh u 2.333

pak whel

[normal sierra]

1.5 liv + ish finish

[compact fern]

[carmine reef]

always been pak whel

fat old man

[compact fern]

what even is 1.5 rot

[normal sierra]

funny that the 15s kill is actually way easier than my 16s kill I did last time lul

[carmine reef]

it's just adding an extra ult1

[normal sierra]

ye, after 2nd ult1 swap to ish and kill with qte

[compact fern]

mean long ult2+ult1?

[normal sierra]

well, need one fast ish rot too, but that's easy enuff

[compact fern]

show me clip of 1.5 rot wanna keep note for future

[normal sierra]

it's literally just 1x fast ult rot + 1x ult1 then swap

[final fog]

Ah ok

[normal sierra]

espada made a vid on the 15s kill already, can check that

[compact fern]

why even do that isnt 2x fast better as well as faster than fast rot on ish

[normal sierra]

no cuz 2x fast doesn't kill, it's a waste of time cuz qte does more dmg than that 2nd fast ult2

[compact fern]

liv big qte nuke is only once anyway

[carmine reef]

it's not if you count the tiem to get into ult

also i think if you're sp delaying you have to cut orbs on the first fast rot to get into the second properly

[compact fern]

ish fast ult is more dps than liv ult2?

[normal sierra]

no need for sp delay here, can do without

[normal sierra]

not her rot itself, it's the qte + liv's off field lightning strikes

the off field strike comes right after her rota and hits instantly

[compact fern]

hmm maybe i need try different strat for hell
im doing double liv fast+nana fast

but i dont think ish fast kills hell at my invest

[normal sierra]

unless you have r3 liv + ss cub at least, prolly not
also needs ss3 ish, ss is not fast enuff (although if it kills can prolly still do 16s)

[compact fern]

i mean
fastest ss3 liv can ult1 is at 6s clock in overseer
dunno if 3s is faster

[compact fern]

me stick with 19s then

[dawn cloak]

Tested. It does need to done both ult
Unless you can test it to give otherwise

U meant with just tap ult she does it already?

[compact fern]

why r3 tho u dont need dlt iirc

or u mean that 15% wp atk?

[normal sierra]

incan + glorious + matrix

[compact fern]

dam whel

[normal sierra]

standard espada invest

[compact fern]

ah i forgot i cant do ish fast anyway

since im running 4 guin 4 dv no cot

[visual topaz]

when did they added a flick sound effect on ishmael

[compact fern]

dunno i play music while playing

[normal sierra]

ye, that strat needs 2x cottie on ish

[verbal forge]

What flick sound

[normal sierra]

when she does the finger flick after 2x dodge I think

[compact fern]

ill have way lower dps with cot on ish lol
ye thats whel af strat

[verbal forge]

I need to recheck that then, did not payed attention

[compact fern]

btw whats 12 rot for chaos

1.5ult ish ult ?

thats only thing i can think of

i mean u can only do that at 10s clock

[dawn cloak]

Tried, tested Luna need both hold ult and normal tap ult. To have off field dmg
The 4x 2000% per 2 sec nihil dmg

You can test it too. See on training room or even warzone.
Unless Zexous can prove otherwise

[carmine reef]

am checking rn

you could be right

[normal sierra]

same as hell 15s, but it should kill with qte when you insta ult on ish after swap

[compact fern]

hmm

[carmine reef]

ok

[compact fern]

liv is pretty slack with timing ngl

u get 12 sec double fast regardless of whether u ult at 6s or 7s

[visual topaz]

perfectly balanced (except lightning)

[carmine reef]

swap>(3p if first swap, otherwise skip)>tap ult
hold ba (should be base hold ba, not the drill)>2x3p>ult2

hold ba>hold ult
hold ba (finality drill)>ult2

hold dodge>ult1
2x3p>hold ba (main seq drill)>ult2

3p>swap

this should satisfy all conditions and fits sliiiightly over 12s

somewhere between 12 and 13

dlt is not required

[final fog]

Ok

[carmine reef]

who was the guy again

oh you're here perfect

[compact fern]

btw @normal sierra help me fix dis

[normal sierra]

I dunno any times with your cope team there

[compact fern]

[dawn cloak]

Defaq this guy doing with Ayla

[normal sierra]

it's the giga cope way, when your alisa so homeless, even cow does better

[compact fern]

[compact fern]

everybody homeless lmao

its 2.333 111

s cubs

[dawn cloak]

Eh, he cant kill at 14 sec
Alisa should be better no? Can extend duration to extend selena rot. Or even do wanshi ult for more dmg

[young badge]

yeah cottie wanshi

[winter wind]

Wait Alisa can ice amp

[young badge]

glacio

[winter wind]

Oh this is glacio vid

I didn’t see

[rose yew]

I don’t think I even have Alisa unlocked yet

[compact fern]

dam ss liv omega brick 222 222 team getting 22sec so bad

[carmine reef]

@final fog visual aid https://youtu.be/uadqJOjdXWA

first swap will be 13s, after that should be able to manage 12s for perfect swap timing with ish

[rocky wedge]

oh damn can i still get that skin

[carmine reef]

yeah

[rocky wedge]

how do i get it again? xD

[carmine reef]

from the rally event

the one with the races that ended weeks ago but is still up for some reason, probably for laggards like you to claim their skin

[rocky wedge]

i have logged in twice in 2-3 weeks i think to do wz and ppc Dx

[carmine reef]

it's one click to get the skin

[normal sierra]

🥝

[carmine reef]

don't even need to play the event

[rocky wedge]

oh pogchamp cause i hate those damn events man it drives me insane

[carmine reef]

not that you could play it even if you wanted to at this point

[normal sierra]

not that anyone could play it

imagine making 8 different menus for a game mode we can't even interact with in any meaningful way lul

[rocky wedge]

i always comeback just nice to play a different game thats not this hot garbonzo

[carmine reef]

one of the first events i've seen in pgr where you legitimately aren't guaranteed to buy the whole shop

not that i care about missing cogs or weapon enhancers but like

[keen sable]

real

[compact fern]

i dunno why lingya bugs sometimes and i dont get the orb

[rocky wedge]

pgr has been like the only game ive been playing for most of the time the global ver been out Dx

[carmine reef]

you're probably swapipng too fast

you're probably swapipng too fast

[keen sable]

yea i started on jp release

[normal sierra]

das why I play my forever classic 2d metroidvanias when I'm done with the pgr things and still have time

[carmine reef]

2d metroidvanias you say

[keen sable]

malding times are over

[carmine reef]

henry joe do you wanna play magicite with me

[rocky wedge]

i still like malding just doing it in another game xD

i was on my servers top 100 in where winds meet battle royale Dx but i fell off now

[normal sierra]

never played magicite before

[dawn cloak]

Btw I think you need to update some outdated info
And test some new stuff
I remember you were saying matrix lightning buff isnt time stopped
Now its timestopped. I tested on Dante he has the longest ult so no way its not timestopped
Also the kinda newfound 4Fred meta qte on ppc
Tbf ppl just been sleeping on it.
Only resurfaced since Vergil 4Pat 4Fred
https://youtu.be/FTARRb0m09Y?si=DaOOMhYpbhiuxcRj

[deft apex]

hollow knight is a 2d metroidvania, so I agree with henry joe

[normal sierra]

but I'm more of a single player gamer outside of pgr (which is basically single player too, but ehh )

[dawn cloak]

But yeah, so much happens in these sync

[deft apex]

Selena_Yes

[carmine reef]

it's definitely possible that i have outdated knowledge of things