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[spiral merlin]

wata asap as fast as you can before vera cd ends

[dense brook]

hold then tap ult

[spiral merlin]

i think whel team can push fire further

in hero ive seen 130+

[gilded flint]

should 2.32.32 210 111 phys reach around 6 mil in hero?

[young badge]

7

oh r0 amp

🧱

[gilded flint]

so around 6 mil xp

vero makes up with phil

[clever gulch]

Hello, with the new liv now out, what is the best memory setup for feral / startrail / new liv if they all have sig and SS ?

[gilded flint]

Liv: heisen cottie, atk top core bottom

Startrail: Herschell, cottie, heisen, atk top, ult bottom

Feral/ish: 4 da vinci 4 guin, top not needed, class bottom

[orchid owl]

who's starter in pyro weather?

[young badge]

who is more valuable 3s vera or 3s ish

[analog mirage]

【【战双】232传奇火双批发856W-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/nl71jqO

Fire team

[zinc charm]

is it a must to have midianca cub

[young badge]

its big

[zinc charm]

[analog mirage]

Attacker must have

[zinc charm]

i c i c

[analog mirage]

【2.3/2.3/3.1传奇暗单轻取930w，这会是最后一期2.3比安卡的流程，我要加入卡戒律这个更权威的圈子了-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/901LOYh

Dark team

[zinc charm]

how does the cub shard disc on ore shop work, i see some 35% disc and 50% disc on it

[carmine roost]

Use Einsteina instead of 2 heisen on nana

Also that set needs dlt on nana

You're better off running 4 heisen nana still without dlt

[dense brook]

@spiral merlin at this rate i might aswell just record my run and send it to u,

[carmine roost]

Omg it's mahiru emotes

Great show

[dense brook]

eh anime kinda rushed some parts

offtopic tho

[carmine roost]

Lmao

[spiral merlin]

Sure that works too

[dense brook]

ill just send it to u tmrw cus at this rate i might actually break something and tired

and im sure u also want to get some sleep

[spiral merlin]

I’ve still got an hour of juice left in me

[dense brook]

yeh well im not sure how long i got left in me, also starting to get more inconsistent

[spiral merlin]

Rip

[dense brook]

ive been doing fire for the last 6hours man what u expect

and i still havent done plasma or dark

well my dark can kiss a without scire anyways

[zinc charm]

which wz better to do dalao
plasma or phy

[analog mirage]

What is the memory set of Ishmael tank dark bros?

[zinc charm]

SS is SS0 except for selena being SS3

[zinc charm]

I usually just ran sohots dv

[analog mirage]

Sig+dvc?

[zinc charm]

ye

[analog mirage]

[zinc charm]

mostly because of this

[analog mirage]

I think plasma

[zinc charm]

irrc hyperspace realm is the after field of ult 2 of ishmael

[analog mirage]

Phys need echo SSS or Veronica SS

[zinc charm]

ye it is the field after ult2

[zinc charm]

holy brick

i aint SSS ing them 😭

[analog mirage]

And Hanying 2S3 if you use Echo

[zinc charm]

well my hanying is ss3

[analog mirage]

[zinc charm]

only echo is ss0

[analog mirage]

[zinc charm]

i skipped vera for selena weeding skin

also i better off SSS ing the teddy instead of alisa even if i want to improve phy score, teddy gonna outdps my shufraud so i can just let go of her sig

[analog mirage]

Lilith use 4dvc 4gui. She doesn't need to use ultimate much

[zinc charm]

o mb that build do mean 4 guin 4 dv , before i took ss i havent updated the build with the new preset system

greates qol upgrade fr

[analog mirage]

[zinc charm]

i might has to look for plasma guide rot again because its been hella long while since i played plasma

[analog mirage]

I don't have Lucian's Cub, LoL

[zinc charm]

[analog mirage]

It reduces Lucia's damage too much, with Affix team, Attack almost carries all the damage

[zinc charm]

affix si where the class attacker means actual sht

itd be funny if the live version basically stated your qu is dead now the meta team for ice is 1 tank 2 amp

iam not sure if shufraud is dead if shukra is SSS+ vs SS0 teddy or such tho,

[analog mirage]

If it's Qu 3S or above, I think a 3-role formation is still more reasonable, it can reduce Wanshi's standing time to 1 rot

[analog mirage]

no, free chars must be at least SSS to really work

[gray trench]

can someone help me find that message?

[analog mirage]

[carmine roost]

Message for what

[median shell]

[steady otter]

Omg kamui skin

[slate gull]

i want armor, not skin

[orchid agate]

this opener still works the best even w/o vera weather (3s or above)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTNC_byPoN4

scored 2 waves higher compared to wata start this week in comparison

and I still need to optimize my run further from 17m atm

[slate gull]

we've come full circle. vera back to dv

[orchid agate]

it's really good for mob/duo elites, because she overkills going 4shakes/4cottie ergo dps loss

[slate gull]

makes sense

[steady otter]

Lmao

Nice thumbnail

[dense brook]

Assume wata on sig and shake then?

Ill give it a try when i wake uo

[orchid agate]

SSS+ Lucia R3 - DLT/Afterglow/Incand - 4Sig/4Cottie - 6Atk/6Ult
SSS+ Wata R3 - Corro/Matrix/Incand - 4Sig/4Shakes - 6Red/6Class
SSS+ Vera R3 - Ray/Glorious/DLT - 4Dv/2Guin/2Cottie - 6Atk/3Ult/3Class

[dense brook]

Yeh alrdy got these sets

So shoudnt be a problem

@orchid agate whos leader?

Lucia i assume

[orchid agate]

lucia

[dense brook]

Aight

[orchid agate]

in NA, opener is the same, but you hold sword waves until wave spawn (0.5s longer) to kill on rising animation

[dense brook]

Will give it a try in like 12hours

Im on EU

So not sure if that will be a problem

?

[orchid agate]

depends on each region

b/c mob sets & their hp differs each wave

rotations will still be the same anyways
you just have to flex how you control the wavestates

[dense brook]

I know but how much of a diffrence is what im worried about

[orchid agate]

whether it's sword waves, wata fast vs slow & wait, double lucia on wata or dv proc immediately for current wave dmg, skipping double red animation, etc.

mob & elite scores back then for me was 14-16m w/ wata start, vera dps mems
following the video above, it's been 17m consistent for me

even this week, I got to 16.5m wata start playing for about an hour on it
17m w/ vera start

b/c I wanted to see if it was weather dependent

[analog robin]

@golden nacelle whoa famous dalao

[dense brook]

But like also dont think ive ever seen anyone on EU do 17mil on fire, either we just washed or flunc lvls are bs

[carmine roost]

it's both

[karmic anvil]

[icy otter]

Why I see no 232 fire

Did everyone quit

[dense brook]

Cus the whales are talking

Well where

[carmine roost]

Cuz I haven't upload yet

[icy otter]

232 555 not the legal invest

[carmine roost]

Honestly I don't even fcking know how to fire

[carmine roost]

Isn't that just one rot on each and just dip

[icy otter]

I have 7m on my 2nd tap but that's very trash

[carmine roost]

I don't think you would even need a ref

[carmine roost]

Hero/Legend?

[icy otter]

Hero 232 112

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/865899693468418049/1199236675470118982/image0.gif

[carmine roost]

Oh

[carmine roost]

Gs pyro?

Or is it double rot

[karmic anvil]

there are... relatable players like that, finally...?

[icy otter]

GA eins pyro

[dense brook]

Where are u getting these from

[icy otter]

GS is amp reso

[carmine roost]

Oh wait
Yeah

[karmic anvil]

guild server

[carmine roost]

Afterglow

[analog robin]

doro cord sever

[icy otter]

I can try 4 Cot pyro

[carmine roost]

can also join setsu server for more funni sticker

[hazy sandal]

No

[short citrus]

What is the build for fire? I have double S Pyroath,Wata and Vera

[true pivot]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1382870887707185282.gif?size=160

[glass edge]

Wat

[steady otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1193541472058888282.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=lamiawiggle

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/607152667466137620/1177933411999039568/lamiafish.gif

Bigger fesh

[mighty tusk]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G4bipYybMAARnes.gif

[crystal rune]

[karmic anvil]

[median shell]

[gilded flint]

https://tenor.com/view/choy-cat-meme-tik-tok-choi-gif-13813246108286362253

[crystal rune]

[karmic anvil]

[short citrus]

[warped axle]

where are the whels?

someone should be having 30m

[slate gull]

they are sleeping

[crystal rune]

Wait

I’m coming

[peak halo]

Check invest and zone clearence
Also seens slacc

[peak halo]

My bracket no need
3 Whel in my bracket

[true pivot]

i could join u

[buoyant hornet]

Didn't try yet but windbell got 10/10/16 with 222 212 invest which sometimes gives me similar results using 22.12 022

Although nanami's 2nd reso is quite irrelevant outside of niche runs where she swaps in

guin....? 😭

Go ahead as long as the input sequences are correct then it's fine (also don't forget to use the "notes" column if a rot has anything relevant to add there)

I wanna help update it at some point but I'm still managing my pgr fatigue lmfaooo

[worthy ravine]

My fire team is very weird so I thought I'd ask for some advice. Particularly for what memory set to put on Vera.

I know the ideal is Lucia in attacker but she's SS3 compared to Dante at SSS + way more weapon resonances

I guess, 4 piece Guinevere for Vera and then 2 piece of something else?

[dawn cloak]

Vera without sig doesnt deal meaningful dmg
Qte bot she is then, just do 1 ult rot
Do double ult Donte or smthing, dunno just try which is better

[gilded flint]

Randall, do you know if Hanying is suppose to be on 4 changwuzi, patton, darwin or cottie darwin?

I remembered my build was on cottie and I dont think thats correct

But Im doubt

[dawn cloak]

Hanying never cottie anymore
That was solo Han

[gilded flint]

I was wondering why I needed less gauge

I get score increase tho yay

[dawn cloak]

Han need cottie if wanna 2x ult consistently but SS0 and no dlt
But honestly, just do 1x ult Han if SS0 no dlt, with Lingya feeding her orb she can 2x ult on 3rd 4rth entry

[buoyant hornet]

There's very little meaningful Dante experience for most meta players here tbh lol

Especially outside of ignition

But @pine slate did have sss dante maybe he can help or something

[dawn cloak]

Han 4chang 2cath 2 Darwin is of with Vergil iirc cuz he already holds patton

[karmic anvil]

@llune

[worthy ravine]

Fair enough. I'm probably better off using Lucia anyways. She's at SS3 with sig and DLT so she's probably already just as good if not better

[dawn cloak]

But he doesnt have experience with 5* Vera surely
Dis is some Pwo invests shiii

[buoyant hornet]

I wish I could test but I quite literally don't know a single thing about dante I even know SOME stuff about vergil but not dante 😭

[buoyant hornet]

I mean yeah lol

Veronica for harmo trust

[worthy ravine]

Maybe I'll just try both versions of the fire team in Warzone this week to see which one I do better with

[dawn cloak]

Main problem here if Vera still 5* dont force her to 2x ult with Hervor ngl, just get more field time on Wata while waiting Dante's downtime

[worthy ravine]

Yeah I was planning on switching off of hervor

[dawn cloak]

Yeah just try various stuff its warzone anyway unlimited tries

Even ppc now unlimited tries too lol

[worthy ravine]

wdym?

I can retry PPC after saving my scores?

[buoyant hornet]

I wonder if hervor even allows consistent 2rot without dlt lol

[buoyant hornet]

yeah

[worthy ravine]

It doesn't

[dawn cloak]

Reset-able and unlimited

[worthy ravine]

HOLY SH*T

THIS IS HUGE

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah would've saved me on the week right before it got added LMFAO

[dawn cloak]

@worthy ravine if with 2 cottie i think it does

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah cottie is a given but I was thinking orbs

[worthy ravine]

So much good sh*t this update.

Definitely balances out with the limited banner

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah it should actually

[dawn cloak]

Give 3 blue orbs after every ult2 done, should be doable
Tho let me test again later

[buoyant hornet]

If hervor allowed consistent 3rot in darkflow then it should do the same with 2rot non dlt i think

[worthy ravine]

Do I have to wait until the day resets in order to reset again, or does it refund my daily tries as well?

[buoyant hornet]

Might have to do 1 rot opener but that's what she usually does anyway

[dawn cloak]

Forgor, just try
I think it does refund

[buoyant hornet]

Watch them put the most important tanks and a ridiculously broken amplifier and lock them behind phylotree

[worthy ravine]

Yeah, might as well. Resets in 45 minutes anyways

[buoyant hornet]

Liv is genuinely the least problematic outcome of the limited system because lightning can survive just fine without her

Although ofc no darkflow lol

[dawn cloak]

Kamui won the race btw, MVP
Surely his new cons is goated

[buoyant hornet]

So trew

[worthy ravine]

Does not refresh daily attempts

[buoyant hornet]

The sweetest dork about to be the only good ss0 we got in months

[worthy ravine]

It is what it is

[buoyant hornet]

I hope

[wise axle]

so.. this new service shop to obtain teddy.. the devs are gonna time gate us again huh..?

[buoyant hornet]

yes

How else would they pressure people to pull

Gotta be annoying in some way

[worthy ravine]

Rosetta dark tank phylotree

Like, she's already confirmed to be phylotree

But if she's dark tank on top of that that would be brutal

[buoyant hornet]

huh

where did that even happen

[worthy ravine]

During the livestream I'm pretty sure they said both her and Kamui have ties to the phylotree or whatever

[crystal rune]

[dawn cloak]

At least they not timegate the whel too
Like it was on Lilith

[worthy ravine]

So it's not fully confirmed

But like...

Come on

[dawn cloak]

On Lilith everyone is timegated 😂

[crystal rune]

Ou no Lovell pls don’t bully me when Teddy releases

[wise axle]

we were spared by the syncro plan

[wise axle]

im going back to sss investment

[buoyant hornet]

No? let me check lmao

[dawn cloak]

Nothing is fully confirmed until official patch announcements come
Youre just playing a guessing game with kuro in the end

[buoyant hornet]

Actually i'm too lazy to check idgaf

Let them run their game into the ground lmao

[dawn cloak]

Rosetta and Alpha is still the highest chance being limited again
Teddy isnt limited lol

[worthy ravine]

We'll just have to see. Maybe I'm going crazy

[zenith thorn]

wtf umbran villain arc

[dawn cloak]

Theres also a sprinkle of reddit doomposter there, hence the speculations spread like wildfire

[buoyant hornet]

would be really silly to make her limited all things considered

[worthy ravine]

I honestly have my doubts that alpha would be limited. But Rosetta I'm definitely bracing for

[wise axle]

and it seems like qu is getting benched already

[buoyant hornet]

I'm done being optimistic with kuroshit they literally hate their playerbase lmao

[dawn cloak]

Why would you, Alpha has lots of fans to be milked lol

[wise axle]

the devs are something.. trying to replace ayla but benched the attacker instead

[worthy ravine]

Surely we'll get a Qu leap soon

[dawn cloak]

Already skipped cuz Luna. So no chance

[zenith thorn]

daren leap v2

[worthy ravine]

Would be a perfect time to break the precedent and go back a frame for a leap

[dawn cloak]

Also theres forbidden tech of 3x 4x Qu qte in short time
Imagine Qu qte nuke with that lol
Kuro simply cannot leap Qu with such exploit

[wise axle]

i dont think leap will save qu

[zenith thorn]

ah so a daren leap

[buoyant hornet]

only to give us a reskinned qu with the same scores like lmaooo

[dawn cloak]

For Daren meta till 2030 propaganda

[buoyant hornet]

Pgr is pulling an infinity nikke and making the worst decisions known to mankind lol imagine consistently pissing off both your casual AND meta players

They'll make dark tank a gen4 and make them phylotree just watch

[dawn cloak]

Bro is even mixing two game names into one 😭

[wise axle]

i like daren as a char but she gotta go

[worthy ravine]

What makes it dubious is the whole tying the limited banner to a lore concept.

And like I said, I could have sworn I saw that they mentioned Rosetta and Kamui havng ties to said lore concept.

So if both of those are gonna be limited, having Alpha be limited on TOP of that seems like a bit much

[dawn cloak]

Watduhell is infinity nikke

[buoyant hornet]

yeah i forgot how it's spelled LMFAOOO

[wanton hatch]

Qu leap similar to Luna

[dawn cloak]

Infinity jiggly asses

[worthy ravine]

Plus having multiple phylotree units release back to back also defeats the whole limited purpose since I expect that all phylotree units become available when a new one releases

[wise axle]

leap for 5 ult or scrap

[buoyant hornet]

What's extremely funny to me is they're shoehorning the dumbass phylotree symbol on every part of the game's UI to try to make them feel like some special shiny thing except they're completely anti-consumer in every way lol

Like ok kuro at least TRY to give them some sort of actual benefit

[dawn cloak]

But looking from business perspective, it cant happen
Also if everyone is limited phylotree, then Liv isnt actually limited cuz she will just rerun every patch then 💀

[buoyant hornet]

Instead liv is still crap at ss0 lol

[worthy ravine]

That's what I'm saying

I would agree that alpha would be limited if it weren't for the fact that Kamui might be limited as well

[wanton hatch]

[buoyant hornet]

a garbage dump

[worthy ravine]

Having too many limiteds back to back makes them no longer limited

[dawn cloak]

Also he M*le
Not the greatest moneymaker
No way he is limited tbh

Fk whelz

[pine slate]

Idk for underinvested vera

Bro's on 5*

[worthy ravine]

First male character with a gacha coating that's just him cross-dressing again

That's where the money will roll in

[dawn cloak]

Kamui crossdress is just pheebe

Sorry im f2p
1$ is still whel 🐳

[buoyant hornet]

no lol

Usually f2p are just stuck to ss0 units with some occasional ss3 if you're a long time player and only free or leaped units can go higher than that

[dawn cloak]

Not all
Thats the main point

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah that's why we're criticizing it

That's the issue lol

Especially attackers because now bianca's standing in ss0 meta isn't even guaranteed

[worthy ravine]

Isn’t that just because you can get SSS Lilith easily with vouchers? at equal investment Bianca should deal more damage

[buoyant hornet]

If the new dark tank is actually half decent and can extend their rot to 15s then we'll just be better off kicking ss0 bianca off the team and replacing her with a qte bot amplifier to carry support memories, while lilith and the tank swap back and forth

[mighty tusk]

dont forget ppc where speed matters and bianca being slow af

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah but that's still silly because for example when ss0 hanying outdamaged SSS echo that was the norm

Now the norm is going backwards

[dawn cloak]

Investments still costs money/time
Thats the point
The price should be calculated too

[worthy ravine]

What does SS3 Bianca do that would save her from that? I forgot

[buoyant hornet]

I don't think bianca at ss0 needs to straight up be better than sss lilith but she needs to be less bricked

She's way too backloaded and way too slow all for poor overall damage vs. the time she spends on field

[worthy ravine]

Cause if SS3 doesn’t actually save her here it’s less of an SS3 problem and more of a Bianca problem

[buoyant hornet]

And that makes her at risk of being literally useless in warzone later

[dawn cloak]

Qte nuke
4sec Bianca rot per swap. Just to ult fast. Then swap 😂

[buoyant hornet]

no she's only saved by the qte nuke

[dawn cloak]

Solon's waifu problems

[mighty tusk]

bianca is more of a ss or sss unit

[worthy ravine]

It’s also just an attacker class problem

Attackers suck

[buoyant hornet]

qte nuke is just free forced value no matter what else the ss3 does for the unit itself

So that's not even good design either

[dawn cloak]

Was about to regret skipping SS0 Bonca
Until finding out Raydiance warzone still doesnt exist
Yeah lol 💀 💀 💀
20k - 25k bc saved

[worthy ravine]

We’re getting another Raydiance character so it might come sooner than you’d think.

But I wouldn’t be surprised if Teddy or a future Raydiance tank somehow outdamages Bianca in Raydiance

[buoyant hornet]

yeah but then look at veronica and even vera before rydle made her into a real unit

[dawn cloak]

Theres none in beta server lol

[buoyant hornet]

They're amps with extra value over their predecessors but not by that much

[worthy ravine]

I mean, not soon as in next patch, but soon as in whenever the third Raydiance character releases

[buoyant hornet]

I was still scoring in the 4m range with davinci vera which is just eww

[dawn cloak]

Wth guys, 3rd member always been NANAMI

[buoyant hornet]

Empy was still a lower score overall but not by a huge amount for an ancient unit

[worthy ravine]

Imagine a Nanami leap where it just gives her Raydiance as a second affix

[dawn cloak]

Vera was sentenced as skippable by CN lol
Cuz they run 4dv guin on her 💀 💀 💀

[buoyant hornet]

No rn raydiance is just walmart plasma

Raydiance plays in plasma warzone

[buoyant hornet]

When I first tried rydle's strat on the same week and the score jump was just

Like wow dv vera didn't even stand a chance

[crystal rune]

And now high invest is back to dv Vera

[buoyant hornet]

I mean it makes more sense for them

I'm talking ss0 vera being horrible

[dawn cloak]

Nergi says back before wata leap, even high invests still better with 4shakes cottie

So Setsu and Empress also actually washed
They repent so late lol
From dv Vera

[buoyant hornet]

If we get a new fire tank that holds shakespeare then ss0 vera can go davinci cottie anyway if it's more beneficial but she'll still be really strong anyway

[crystal rune]

Yea that was before becsuse Wata shred was just so ass anyways

[buoyant hornet]

yeah

wata's field was horrible

So vera having to rely on his turtle ass to land his missiles lost her a lot of dps

[dawn cloak]

To the point we just use Bananami igni back then
Less headache

[buoyant hornet]

So she just carried shakes herself

[buoyant hornet]

Problem is that still had the time limit issue

Without sss nana for swap cd reduction you could end up running out before she's back in

[dawn cloak]

15 sec compared to wata 12 sec at least

[buoyant hornet]

yeah but his qte still shreds fire at least

[dawn cloak]

Wata qte bot leap is very much needed

[buoyant hornet]

yeah it was huge

Saved the entire team and saved him as a unit

And instantly gave him huge value in multiple teams

Lmao perm shred fields are magic

[crystal rune]

Scores jumped by 3m with Wata leap

[buoyant hornet]

Now my fire scores 8m even in mob zone it's fkn hilarious

[worthy ravine]

What teams are missing proper shred fields?

I know Hanying’s doesn’t work unless she’s actively on the field

[dawn cloak]

Everyone except Wata/Nana

Lets wait new Dark tank
If it ever comes that is

Daren meta till 2030

[worthy ravine]

I know Wanshi still needs to do his ult rotation. But it at least lasts a bit after he swaps out from what I remember.
Same might apply to Daren but I don’t really use Daren

[karmic anvil]

daren second leap

[carmine roost]

Now that since darkflow exists and he got a leap

Can we agree to put wata as 1st voucher priority and Lilith 2nd?

Ice team not doing so well rn

[mighty tusk]

not really?

[carmine roost]

Or maybe it would with teddy?

No idea

[mighty tusk]

wata is a bit old

it's gonna be teddy = lilith > wanshi > wata

[carmine roost]

So the 3s CD and almost permanent off field shred not really worth as much I guess?

[mighty tusk]

it's worth, but you are investing on a old unit

wata is 2 years old already

[carmine roost]

Wanshi is like stuck to ice, and Glacio is kinda mid rn isn't it

Wata is in fire, darkflow and probably burn too right?

I wonder if next gen fire tank would have similar off field shred

[mighty tusk]

yea but he's in danger of replacement alongside scire, feral and qu

next year and he might be gone

[carmine roost]

[slow cobalt]

guys what is the current best fire team rot?

and also is DLT needed if you are just gonna do 2 ults on lucia?

[normal sierra]

Bonkerina in danger or what? that's just crazy talk

[young jackal]

Hello guys I'm very new to PGR and I'm planning to start playing it, I haven't even downloaded the game and start up my account yet but is this a good time to start now like it's not near the end of a major version patch (e.g: end 3.X, etc)? Which current units I should reroll?

Also since I obviously missed the DMC5 Collab is it advisable if I should get Dante and Vergil's support first despite me not having them so I could prepare "IF" they have a rerun someday?

Like I get Dante and Vergil's support unit in the background and I focus on the current meta relevant Units as of right now?

[plain oyster]

[karmic anvil]

-no point of rerolling
-dante is dead in meta
-you will get their supports(hanying, veronica, vera, nanami etc) anyways if you wanna play meta
-yea focus on current meta units i guess, just need to pull every new S rank(which isnt free or something)
-~~get a good mentor and guild which can answer your beginner questions ~~

[true pivot]

well dante vs vero is a bit of a weird thing

[crystal rune]

But Dante is alive in ppc

[true pivot]

time to whel for dmc just to get top 90% on ib

[true pivot]

[steady otter]

We play burn on ib ?

[crystal rune]

Sometimes

[young jackal]

Oh...

[karmic anvil]

can be a bit overwhelming, but take it easy and just follow the meta and it'll be easy i guess

[steady otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867718398208245761/1441159170576482345/ADE22DA1B39190F49E08AF6DF40DE3A6.gif

[faint monolith]

Tf since when we can reset PPC after scoring

[carmine roost]

Since yes

[faint monolith]

[normal sierra]

I reset today too
it's handy when you click on the screen thinking it's the video replay, but in fact, it was the game itself, and you saved a brick score

[faint monolith]

Kuso finally adding good QoL

Took them 6 years and an announcement of a kamui frame

[final fog]

Since the 1st new ppc of the update

[compact fern]

yo did u test monzano

[normal sierra]

ohh pak, forgot about it lul

[compact fern]

me did shorthalt today
monzano variable so

[polar flame]

https://huaxu.app/na/players/10268636/characters

I am aware of nanami being the powerhouse in many meta teams, unfortunately for me that I did ss3 her through the thunderbolt manual banner!
who should I ss3 next? Or SSS nanami

[normal sierra]

was speedrunning cradli today

[compact fern]

no attempts left?

i just gera dps shorthalt 11/12/15

[normal sierra]

nope, did all 3 runs for today

[polar flame]

regarding the blue target banner

[compact fern]

guess gonna have to cope with 16 monzano

[slender scarab]

Do I just keep 10/11/15 cradle on ss3 Liv

[golden merlin]

im 21 seconds
no wanshi or echo sig

[compact fern]

no
101014 onetap

[normal sierra]

depends on your team invest

[compact fern]

what invest lmao

ss3 liv literally 101014 with ss nana ish

[slender scarab]

2.32.32.3 ish

[compact fern]

r1 liv enuff

[slender scarab]

122

[normal sierra]

depending on reso numbers, it can be 10/10/11

[compact fern]

oh yeah he has ss3 ish and nana

[slender scarab]

[normal sierra]

not with that team invest thou

you would need r2 or r3 on liv for 11 hell

or higher rank nana

[compact fern]

u update me on monzano tomorrow my score depends on u

[simple dew]

slacc week

[slender scarab]

Yeah I can barely kill her with long rota with r1 Liv I don't think hell with short ult is plausible

[normal sierra]

if you would have sss nana, 11 would be possible with your weap resos

[compact fern]

pat whel pak u

[carmine roost]

wait for Liv after teddy patch for that ss3 liv

Either ss3 ish or just ss3 hanying rn tbh

[simple dew]

but phyloslop wont be on basic

[normal sierra]

he has midlena ss3 already

[compact fern]

liv never come in blue banner btw

[carmine roost]

That's if you care about slash really

Really?

[compact fern]

[carmine roost]

Kuro cooked 🔥🔥

[compact fern]

blue banner end with vero

[carmine roost]

more players are quiting

[compact fern]

no more blue for u

prolly only free units will be added to blue

[slender scarab]

Teddy on blue

[compact fern]

ye

but picking teddy from blue is lel kekw

i mean using pick

[slender scarab]

Can still get it as random drop if I don't get crimson abyss for the 50th time

[compact fern]

i would still prefer piano/gera/nana/hanying/pyro/ish as rando drop over teddy

[carmine roost]

Why wouldn't Liv be in standard tho

[compact fern]

cuz she limited

[polar flame]

if only phylotree doesn't suck butt

[carmine roost]

Really?

[compact fern]

why would so many people lie to u bruh

[normal sierra]

it's a 🥝 tree

[carmine roost]

Is that confirmed phylobruh Chara won't be in standard?

[compact fern]

bruh

[carmine roost]

I'm just asking

[polar flame]

hanying is near death's door, so I am scared of a new powercreep (I am sure kuro didn't like the way her true slash content is fixated behind SS3)

[carmine roost]

And they're gone

[polar flame]

or a new true slash affix attacker, because collab characters are very limited

[normal sierra]

ye, kusogame didn't like that, so now they gonna lock it behind sss

[polar flame]

I sent this to the pgr subreddit at one point, before pgr collab

[compact fern]

wont be surprised if teddy is unplayable below 3s

[carmine roost]

That's just evil wish

The first chara to be unplayable before 3s
Wild

[slender scarab]

She was already getting same score as SSS Qu with just ss0 with double amp in beta

[stray siren]

I remember there was a way to do a quick 4 stacks but I don't know how; maybe if I apply it in the last wave, I can reach 8m

[distant wren]

What the

Is that lamia

[stray siren]

No Bianca

So Lamia SS0

[distant wren]

Is it a coincidence

Why did i see fenrear talk about playing this same team in office server

[stray siren]

Idk

[distant wren]

Idk maybe u guys onto smth

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/859798399540264960.png?quality=lossless&name=clueless&size=48

[dreamy pelican]

first?

[stray siren]

To be honest, I don't know, Fenrear must be cooking something up. I'm just malding Lamia

[distant wren]

Bro didn't know about magikarp

[crystal rune]

I was waiting for the gif to change

Turns out it’s just an image

[mighty tusk]

atleast my magikarp is hot

[rotund fox]

Why do people call Ultima slash trueslash? Does it even deal True Dmg?

[crystal rune]

Translation

[distant wren]

Lmao

Pgr has true dmg

New knowledge obtained

[crystal rune]

[distant wren]

But yes trueslash was old translation

[pine slate]

Original cn translation was trueslash

[distant wren]

By fans

Also it's a better name than ultima slash

[karmic anvil]

true damage

[stray siren]

Fake damage

[orchid agate]

y r dod y y dod r ult2

[golden nacelle]

[orchid agate]

but the red ani will still take too long regarding 4-stack

[crystal rune]

Ômg it sol

[noble zinc]

Wtf how i dodge this ball ful run

[stray siren]

Thanks Solao

[sturdy nimbus]

can 3s liv go faster than 10/10/10 cradle?

[crystal rune]

No

But Luna can if s+

[trim apex]

Russian bear dgaf about your super armor

[crystal rune]

[sturdy nimbus]

[trim apex]

Luna can if SSS3

[crystal rune]

[sturdy nimbus]

best I can do is ss3 ish (3s luna next week )

[noble zinc]

Overseater cradle same start time?

[trim apex]

8 sec limit, 9 sec skill issue

[noble zinc]

Ppc

[crystal rune]

Who knows

[trim apex]

actually cradle might be cooked

no 8 sec

because of start animation

[crystal rune]

Yes same start time

5.25s

[noble zinc]

9 then

Liv

[obtuse raven]

did Alpha damage can't match Liv new frame damage?

[noble zinc]

Lower diff

Hell idk

[crystal rune]

Whut

Liv can 9?

[trim apex]

I got 9 with Luna on cradle, not sure if 8 is possible

[noble zinc]

【监管者混沌9-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/8Z29hqs

[crystal rune]

8 should be possible but it’s ridiculous mald

[orchid agate]

8s cradle is possible for knight & chaos regarding 3s3 luna

[crystal rune]

3p hold dodge ult 3p 3p dodge 3p 3p ult

[trim apex]

SSS+ Alpha can match SS Liv

[obtuse raven]

aah

shock fact 🤧

mine just sss not sss+

[trim apex]

too slow I think. The rot is swap dodge yellow ult1, 3p 3p dodge 3p 3p ult2, swap

[crystal rune]

No it’s possible if you have marko hax

[orchid agate]

that is the 8s rot chaos cradle rot

same as knight overseer

[crystal rune]

I’m not even going to attempt it doing it without hold dodge is hard enough

[true pivot]

veronica is already unplayable below 3s

[trim apex]

if you got that finger buff then

[obtuse raven]

idk why but i am really not build for washing new frame and make him useful for icy corrosion stage

his moveset really pain to my dead brain

[glass edge]

so anything below sss is weaker than Alisa SSS?

[true pivot]

physical selena, absolutely

physical vergil, no

[glass edge]

noice, i rlly dont wanna pull her lol

also not in voucher shop or dorm dispatch, pain to SSS

[obtuse raven]

ultima slash stage solved by discord 😌

[crystal rune]

Ts stage solved by not doing it

[true pivot]

the physical team doesnt synergize at all

[obtuse raven]

i am still don't know vergil combo even thought gacha him

[trim apex]

oh yeah btw @crystal rune @noble zinc Vergil phy mobs

[obtuse raven]

i am dead brain for his void slash combo

[glass edge]

collab char with this high score???

[true pivot]

i got 7.6m with phy selena and fked off

she is so bad

her aoe dmg is trash

[trim apex]

S+ Vergil with 3S Hanying/Vero tho, not a common invest

[true pivot]

whel

[crystal rune]

Phys players

[true pivot]

phy was good before selena

bianca was peak

hanying is fun

[obtuse raven]

selena has interesting mechanic and bianca have big giant wave ulti

[glass edge]

i love bianca crepuscule movesets

[obtuse raven]

still bit angery because in past some npc dare called bianca with "witch" then doin betrayal

such heretic thing

[karmic anvil]

[simple dew]

her gameplay is dry

[crystal rune]

3p 3p dodge hb 3p ult until you want to kioeoll yourself

[simple dew]

literally

[obtuse raven]

washing new frame gameplay more harder and give me pain

[icy otter]

Igni build

Xdd

[glass edge]

i mean the meta gameplay is just always rigid

but when freestyling shes insane

[icy otter]

Rigid and boring is not the same

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/865899693468418049/1199236675470118982/image0.gif

[glass edge]

brah

i also like how she can generate orbs so fast with hold basic atk and release

[buoyant hornet]

i'm confusion how are you testing ignition in a physical zone 😭

[icy otter]

I thought I was on igni build

Because the score was trash

But no

[buoyant hornet]

oh

[icy otter]

I'm trash

[trim apex]

I tried, Shakes is still better (for ignition)

[buoyant hornet]

Have you considered that veronica is the one who's bad

[icy otter]

No

[buoyant hornet]

222 invest physical mob zone has horrendous scores

[trim apex]

Also guin in phy?

[buoyant hornet]

low invest physical is the most miserable thing i've ever seen lol

All these new units and it still can't even outscore 232 ice

And now void jumped way ahead of it too lol

[heady hemlock]

What do I put on this

[noble zinc]

[crystal rune]

Cottie guin

[trim apex]

A Case Against Cottie Guin on Lilith: Exhibit A

[crystal rune]

[clever gulch]

for fire team, what are the necessary leap skills for epitath ?

they seem mostly centered on darkflow so

[dreamy pelican]

most important one is the middle one, level 9

that allows you to have a shred field every time you qte

considering how wata's qte works, you can get a shred field for pretty much every wave with that leap unlocked

[crystal rune]

I’m having flashbacks

[clever gulch]

no need for anything else ?

[trim apex]

Try to level them all to 18 if you can. Otherwise Leap skill 3 - level 18 (allows wata to ult1 instantly upon swap in) is also important for fast rotation.

[trim apex]

there there, you don't have to play pre-leap wata anymore, he can't hurt you anymore

[crystal rune]

No

That one run..

Coggers shared

[trim apex]

oh the df run

[crystal rune]

It was void

[trim apex]

I mean how bad can it be

[crystal rune]

You don’t wanna know

[rough mica]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goat-washed-my-goat-is-washed-washed-goat-your-goat-is-washed-mfw-my-goat-is-washed-gif-11435157539877774481

[mighty tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867718398208245761/1303681739121496064/Chibi_Flashbang-1.gif

[crystal rune]

Selena simps are here

[cold walrus]

Why hold dodge?

[crystal rune]

Damage

Also switches the core passive bar to drill idk if that does anything

[young badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205201024596316172/1408031681574866964/togif.gif

[crystal rune]

It’s only like knight overseer or chaos cradle/projection that needs that dmg

[steady otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867718398208245761/1441159170576482345/ADE22DA1B39190F49E08AF6DF40DE3A6.gif

[upbeat orchid]

Getting some of my highest scores ever in Hero Warzone and I'm 9th place, wtf is with my group?!

I used my plasma team, am I supposed to use Lightning since Liv is brand new?

[remote fossil]

Use plasma brother

[wanton hatch]

[wary thicket]

Why is it showing incomplete
I have collected all chests
And completed all quests plus both cafe and construction challenges fully

[remote fossil]

Probably bug

[limber yoke]

U should watch marko

[limber yoke]

Marko didnt say hold dodge is necessary

[crystal rune]

So just damage then

Oh

It’s not but I was talking about 8s for knight overseer and chaos crafle and all that

Where you need hold dodge

[limber yoke]

Whel hax

[crystal rune]

What hax I saved 9

[deft apex]

[crystal rune]

[zenith thorn]

source

[crystal rune]

[mighty tusk]

@deft apex is v2 out?

[crystal rune]

yes

she got buff

[mighty tusk]

did they adjust her ult dmg tick?

[crystal rune]

seems

[young badge]

got patch notes?

[unborn hound]

Translate for us @young badge

[young badge]

the hell is this

[crystal rune]

[unborn hound]

mfs computer cant read Chinese

[young badge]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-gif-27544204

[analog mirage]

[young badge]

wut this

[crystal rune]

basically during v1 her ult2 did ice dmg instead of glow

[old dune]

Now that Liv is holding Heisen, what do I use on nana knight?

[graceful summit]

Those damage numbers is vile

[young badge]

PepeOh

[remote fossil]

Both use heisen

[round lake]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV12ZUQBLEXA/

Thats big ass buff, she'll be nerfed

[deft apex]

Like normal

[buoyant hornet]

Aktshually ☝️🤓

Well r2 nanami can actually run cottie eins lmfaoooo

And it works hilariously well

Technically r1 can run it too but r2 is what makes it really worth

[remote fossil]

Applied to all rank?

[buoyant hornet]

Nah just sub-sss ranks

ss0 ss3

[karmic anvil]

i cast veronica curse

[buoyant hornet]

Nanami can do 3ults with cottie dlt

[gray cairn]

Let ice be good for once

[buoyant hornet]

Slam > ult > slam > ult > basic x4 > ult

And she's done right on time for liv to swap back in

[remote fossil]

I see

[remote fossil]

Ice suckass anyways

[buoyant hornet]

Kuro already cast that in their minds they're just waiting to unleash it

[karmic anvil]

[remote fossil]

Just wait for teddy to deal less dmg than qu

[karmic anvil]

sss teddy= ss qu

[buoyant hornet]

Inb4 live releasy teddy sss is weaker than ss0 qu

[remote fossil]

Ye

[hallow crag]

i should get his 6star weapon ?

[buoyant hornet]

Kurobrick can make it happen never doubt them

[buoyant hornet]

I mean ideally he wants it yeah but are you completely f2p or no?

[final fog]

I thought she's gonna be like lilith
Teddy Solo zaza

[buoyant hornet]

If you're f2p there's other units that want sig more than him

[remote fossil]

Yes

[buoyant hornet]

Her v1 was disgusting

Like she was BAD bad

V2 apparently buffed her but we all know what happened in the past several beta

[hallow crag]

am the real F2P ngl

[dawn cloak]

[remote fossil]

Ice always succ

[buoyant hornet]

Character is garbage in v1 > buff them to the heavens in v2 or v3 > nerf them back to be v1 or worse on live relase version

[crystal rune]

v1.1

[primal flower]

should i use bathlon and einsteina for ish tank in dark team if she's only s rank with no sig? or stick with her sig memory?

[buoyant hornet]

Sig memory yeah

[dawn cloak]

Btw isnt SS0 Bonca always good in beta, but suddenly so ass when released?

Or so the hearsay

[remote fossil]

That's why

[buoyant hornet]

You wouldn't happen to have sss watanabe or sss startrail would you?

In that case they'd be better than a sigless ishmael lol

[dawn cloak]

Anyway, pls kuro pls
THIS
IS
TEDDY

😭

[karmic anvil]

also you can trust it
||i cast fartooth curse (phantom alter )fewdays ago and me n everyone in strim ended up offrating to pinus sylv gang||

[crystal rune]

nerf teddy so my rydle isnt gone forever

[dawn cloak]

Let her be actually good

[primal flower]

dont have them lol

[buoyant hornet]

Something like that but idr the exact timeline of her beta iterations

[primal flower]

should i just use my sss no. 21 instead of ish then

[remote fossil]

Supposedly ss midianca = sss lilith then we have halfass booba

[buoyant hornet]

They're too afraid of lilith's success

Kuro is lilith's #1 haters they don't want anyone to be as good as her

[dawn cloak]

But its Teddy omg pls 😭 😭 😭
Pls be good this time

[buoyant hornet]

Her A rank frame about to outdps Spectre frame I fear

You see I'm usually the optimistic guy but like

Kuro hasn't left us with any reason for optimism LMAO

[remote fossil]

Kuro stick true to their name

[buoyant hornet]

kusogame

[dawn cloak]

Kuro = blacc

[remote fossil]

Giving us dark future instead of bright one

Waiting for doom

[faint monolith]

Nah it's fine

Kuso's future gonna depend on how they do rosetta

[dawn cloak]

Warzone? Can try
Also if warzone, Ishmael dark tank use 4sothoth 4dv or 2 eins if poor
4soth is important for the 12 sec shred field

Since A rank no.21 does have mini "shred field"
Well kinda fake but it works close to real one

[median spade]

ref?

[spiral merlin]

Don’t have

[remote fossil]

They said we can change it freely right? Expect that they do legs for element and horse for affix

[spiral merlin]

My friend with only s+ vera pushed >w95

[dawn cloak]

So attacker

No new dark tank

[spiral merlin]

With s+ midcia should increase drastically

[faint monolith]

No she dark tank

[dawn cloak]

The heck wave 95

[faint monolith]

Only diff is she'll do more dmg than nana

Who is there to replace as attacker except Qu rn

[crystal rune]

selena

[faint monolith]

90% sure Alpha is ice attacker

[dawn cloak]

Pyrowashed

Plasmaoath

[crystal rune]

vergil

[dawn cloak]

Nah, Vergil too motivated

[faint monolith]

Rosetta as fire attacker is eh

Selena still fresh

[buoyant hornet]

rydle?

[spiral merlin]

Naur

[dawn cloak]

~~ fresh from the red soup ~~

[buoyant hornet]

wait wtf w95

[crystal rune]

rydle is in legend

[faint monolith]

And there's no way she can be lightning amo

[buoyant hornet]

Leader zone headass

[spiral merlin]

Hero

He’s a hero only wz player

Hates legend lol

Even tho would easy retain and then some

[faint monolith]

The 2 forms they're talking about is prolly smtn like nana sword/chainsaw switch

[dawn cloak]

We demand proof
~~ we just wanna see wave 95 ~~

[faint monolith]

Tf wave 95?

[spiral merlin]

w95 is not that hard when you realise everything after w55 is a 1hp repairer

[dawn cloak]

Timeslop exploit

*timestop

[faint monolith]

How many waves is Vera taking in a single ult post wave 55

[dawn cloak]

Rate is 1 sec ≈ 1 wave

[spiral merlin]

Idk like 5 maybe

[spiral merlin]

Yea

Wz becomes gb after w55

Dmg doesn’t matter just timestop spam

[faint monolith]

Wave 95 is kinda crazy

When wave 100

[spiral merlin]

w100 was broken long ago

[faint monolith]

What about wave 200

[spiral merlin]

I saw cn vid fire 130+

[spiral merlin]

Probably not

[faint monolith]

Ass

[crystal rune]

didnt light break w241

[dawn cloak]

Anyway this is why fluc is always increased
To make wave 55 not that easily reachable for most ppl

[crystal rune]

[dawn cloak]

[faint monolith]

Can prolly do it with Lifu no?

[crystal rune]

or was it 141

one of those 2

[spiral merlin]

Probably

Light has ish

Best whale hero wz unit

[faint monolith]

Lifu has ish too

[dawn cloak]

Sss liv more timestop
Then theres ish
Perfect lmao

[spiral merlin]

141 more reasonable

[faint monolith]

I really think she can break past 150

With QTE stop

[crystal rune]

yea it was w241

light mobs

[faint monolith]

Damn

When wave 300

[spiral merlin]

Found w118 fire if you wanna see what the 1hp repairer waves look like lol https://vxbilibili.com/video/BV1KgWpzEEKq/?vd_source=f2f32422f8c340281caec9edf5557f61

[faint monolith]

Vera riding the wheelchair

[crystal rune]

found it

[spiral merlin]

Huge

[crystal rune]

[faint monolith]

Gah damn

[spiral merlin]

All that for 14m

[faint monolith]

Washed

[crystal rune]

makes sense liv ult is really spread out

[faint monolith]

Huge AoE

Better than Walter

[azure flicker]

Teddy should be meta for Nihil too right?

[faint monolith]

And wanklena

[cold walrus]

Why is score so bad. Is it leader or elite?

[crystal rune]

hero

[faint monolith]

Hero

[crystal rune]

leader would never dream of getting a score above 10

[dawn cloak]

All dat wave and still 14m 😭

[round lake]

We're gonna need higher cap than W55 soon

[faint monolith]

Why not, Just demote yourself and do it

[round lake]

Gen 4 is coming

[dawn cloak]

SSS Wata more meta
Tank better than amp
Unless SSS Ish the yea

[faint monolith]

Did anyone ever find out if Legend has a cap too?

[spiral merlin]

Don't think teams are powerful enough yet

It should be the same w55 threshold

[azure flicker]

Wait am I tripping, I thought tank Ismael was better than amp Ishmael

[faint monolith]

So everyone still ass

[round lake]

Umbra is breaking to w53

[faint monolith]

Got it

[dawn cloak]

Whats the different bruh
Same dmg as long as same copying gen3
Also shred better than buff, hence sss wata

[dawn cloak]

Darkflow

[faint monolith]

Phy is so fkin ass

[dawn cloak]

[crystal rune]

darkflow is 1 duo elite zone away from reaching w55

[faint monolith]

I swear I hate doing it

[crystal rune]

[faint monolith]

Why is Selena tracking so dogshet

[dawn cloak]

They would just raise the fluc instead
It makes enemy more tanky
Allegedly maybe enemy more atk too

Cuz Nergi has been oneshotted by Roseblade since yesterday

[faint monolith]

Somehow took me 3 months to notice her flaws

[crystal rune]

im not using ish anymore its fine

[spiral merlin]

Mob easiest no?

[crystal rune]

[crystal rune]

yea but its possible with just elite zone

last boss zone sea got w53

[spiral merlin]

Ah

[round lake]

What, dying is possible?

[dawn cloak]

Asks Nergi

[crystal rune]

yea past w10 roseblade can oneshot you

[dawn cloak]

The 444 ~~ pilot ~~ player

9k HP ish dies to roseblade legend

[round lake]

My goat Nerglao could never die to gen 1 boss

[crystal rune]

how does that have any revelance to me dying

[dawn cloak]

Hence maybe fluc does affects all stats, including their atk

[karmic anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-washed-my-goat-washed-lightning-mcqueen-mcqueen-gif-13084113942314445304

[spiral merlin]

We're so getting a wz rework soon

Next patch I bet

[round lake]

This is all fraud goddess' fault, how could she die to stone age robot

[karmic anvil]

bro died in wz more than weakest stylish alpha player

[lofty dagger]

@dawn cloak today new vid

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/652929454120763433/1435978857516761168/what_1.gif

and with ishma too

[hallow crag]

i should get this pet for Liv ?

someone said it limited

[lofty dagger]

yeah, liv and her cub & weapon limited

[orchid owl]

do you have liv?

[hallow crag]

yes

[orchid owl]

what about her weapon?

[hallow crag]

yes

[orchid owl]

then get her cub

[lofty dagger]

yea

[hallow crag]

[old dune]

am i crazy if i say ignition does low damage compared to other affixes?

[median spade]

based on what?

your score?

ignition is strong

[old dune]

comparing how much i do in one rot on the dummy compared to ion, darkflow and glaciation

[median spade]

lol

[crystal rune]

oh no dummy test

[old dune]

would be nice to have a score dummy to test things on...

[median spade]

you have warzone

[old dune]

yeah, need to be right element for comparisons though

[orchid owl]

what are you comparing if you aren't even using ignition?

[old dune]

I am testing one full rotation on Ignition, plasma and glaciation. checking how many dummies i kill/ how low they get. almost same invest on those three afixes.

I just feel like Ignition has a lot of backloaded damage on the dot compared to the others

[median spade]

dummy performance not an indicator ignition is stronger than both of those

[crystal rune]

because burn has dmg spread out on all of its members instead of being funneled into one member

[orchid owl]

not sure if dummy carries over to the other dummy

[crystal rune]

also there are dmg penalties in wz

[orchid owl]

and buffs

[crystal rune]

[orchid owl]

but even without buffs ignition is solid

[median spade]

vero strong

[orchid owl]

you don't see DoT in TS on any other affix
or damage increase based on stacks

[orchid owl]

[old dune]

yeah, obviously on ignition wz use ignition, but i feel like it doesnt kill waves as fast compared to the others

[orchid owl]

here's the thing
ignition is invest dependent like crazy

[median spade]

just get S+

[crystal rune]

the thing?

[orchid owl]

SSS vs. SS is 2 different worlds
even just SS3 is a crazy improvement

just to give an example
nanami goes from 1 stack per damage to 2 stacks per damage with SS3
she increases ult damage and her shred
vero also increases her damage and buffs

[old dune]

on plasma i got all SS3 (lilith SSS) and it feels like it does disgusting damage compared to the same invest (except vera, shes SS3) on igni.

[orchid owl]

plasma has different damage multipliers compared to ignition
and there you have it, you are off by an SSS

if you had SSS vera, ignition would not only be crazy good, she would be rotating too despite the fact that fire is only 80% of the damage

[old dune]

that should only be 10% on the buff increase no?

[crystal rune]

only at s+ she gets switched in especially when all are same invest

[orchid owl]

+qte reset on swap

• 3 orbs after ult 1 by default on swap-in, and more signature energy per blue orb -> faster rotation
  +dmg increase for everything she's got

I forgot to mention she also gets half her bar or smth, even faster rotation

[cold walrus]

Huh i swap to vera at sss, but i think i need to try duo swap next time

[crystal rune]

yea try 3 4 vero nana next time

shameless got 20m with it

actual hax god

[median spade]

3 4 is good

[orchid owl]

S+ nana is crazy work but I can respect the hustle

[old dune]

what's S+ btw? SSS+?

[median spade]

yes

SSS+ = S+, 3S+, 4, etc

[karmic anvil]

~~aka "ultra grade" ~~

[tired quarry]

Guys should I use a different fire rot? My wata is sss+, vera sss and pyro ss3, I usually score about 7 mil.
My rot: start with pyro (switch off immediately to wata), wata 1x, vera 2x, pyro 1x and on repeat

[nova forum]

segs

[orchid owl]

is liv's dmg just spread out? I recorded a double rot and she doesn't seem to have any big bursts like vera or nanami

it's more like constant damage

[crystal rune]

livs dmg is super spread across her core, ult and off field qtes

especially at sss

[orchid owl]

crazy work

feels weird

[nova forum]

can i make her qte not temporarily remove my hud?

[karmic anvil]

@noble zinc whelhelpr please help him

[orchid owl]

you shouldn't start with pyro since it's her weather